June 13, 2025

Wrongful Conviction Peter Wilson Follow Up

Wrongful Conviction Peter Wilson Follow Up
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With Wilson’s blood planted at the scene of the crime, the DA has all evidence related to third person culpability excluded from the jury. The evidence is overwhelming that Wilson did not commit this crime. Transcripts show an evasive and eluding roommate that leaves the country, and may be the murderer himself. New info on drug trafficking and money laundering surrounding the victim and her family who abscond with 300k of Wilson’s money while he goes to jail for a crime he did not commit.

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Good morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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Friday the thirteenth.

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We are going to continue back with the wrongful conviction

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of Peter Wilson. I'm going to be going over some

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transcripts today. I will be briefly reading, or at least

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just highlighting some points in it, but I will be

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showing the presentation. So if you want to read that

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entire transcript yourself, you're welcome to pause it and go

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back and take a look.

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It gets extremely.

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Interesting at this point because we are going to be

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talking and discussing things such as laundering money and drug

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trafficking and all the things that we actually find in

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the Zodiac. Podcast kind of runs in suit with this

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stuff that is happening the law enforcement that are being

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either paid or are just bad at hard I suppose,

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because they're definitely not protecting the public when they're doing

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some of these things. And you're going to get to

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hear a bit more about that throughout today's transcripts. We're

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going to be looking over the testimony of William William Coleman,

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which is the second roommate in the household in which

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Hawk To Kim was killed, and my client Peter Wilson

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believes that he is the likely suspect. So we'll be

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finding out some of those reasons today because his testimony

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is just a bit sketchy and a whole lot fishy.

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So I'd like to welcome to the show, Harriet Souchet.

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Yes again, Happy Friday the thirteenth to you too. We

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always love that I'm usually lucky on Friday the thirteenth

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because everything about my birthday, my name, everything is either

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at thirteen or twenty two. If you follow anything about neurology,

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you'll understand what I'm talking about.

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I don't, and yeah, then we'll then congratulations on your day.

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All right, So I'm climbing right back in. Last week

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we just good morning, Nolan let's welcome Nolan to the show.

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Good morning.

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I'm just climb, I mean right back in we left

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off last week. I think the last thing we talked

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about in this was that Linda Condra and the DA

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argues it's a waste of time to introduce the exculpatory

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evidence such as the cigarette bud and the seamen and

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the sperm, because she doesn't want the jury to hear

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anything that would confuse anything other than an indictment on

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Peter Wilson. So following up with that, we're going to

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talk about we're going to hear what she has to

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say in regards to third party evidence. So I'm not

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sure where I lost one eighty two, but it starts

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off on I'm sorry nine, I'm missing the first page

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that starts this paragraph. But she's stating that a significant theory.

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But the question isn't the significance of the theory his

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preferred evidence is supposed to support. The question is the

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significance of the evidence. And although it's true if he

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had legitimate, reasonable evidence that gave a suggestion not only

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of the mere opportunity for there to have been a

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third party culpability, but that creates an actual nexus between

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a third party and the commission of the crime such

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that there is significant evidence.

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That's one thing. That's not what we have got here.

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I have read this paragraph Nolan several times, and I

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honestly do not.

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I feel like she just confused everybody. Did that make

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sense to you?

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No?

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I mean.

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She's speaking politicians speak. She's just trying to convince you

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that the world is flat.

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Yes, that's how I felt. I was like, which way

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are you going with this? I mean, it doesn't really

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make a lot of sense to me, And I just

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don't understand if he had a legitimate, reasonable evidence we do,

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you're trying to block it.

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Yeah, why would the prosecution wanted?

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What's that?

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The only reason is because she made up her mind

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that she wants to convict this one guy and this

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and damn.

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Justice exactly, and that that's the kind of the way

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I look at it, and I get it.

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I understand. This is the second trial, and the.

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First trial was a hung jury, likely because there was

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that third party culpability that was introduced. Now she's trying

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to block that altogether and wants them to focus on

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the fact they found his blood at the scene, but

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with no explanation for how that blood got there, because

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he's not covered in blood when they show up, he's not,

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you know what I'm saying.

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And as we go through this advantage though he's.

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Bandaged up, but he bled in San Francisco, he didn't

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bleed in Palo Alto, So I mean, yeah, well we

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know how the Michael Yore, the arresting officer, took one

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vial of his blood out of the property evidence on

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Sunday when the forensics department isn't even open till Monday,

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and he had no cause to do that. I've actually

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spoken to a couple former law enforcement officers the last week,

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and none of them can make any sense of it.

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They cannot make sense of the expopable evidence being removed

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from its file. They don't scan that page that says

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removed due to teriffs. They said that they've never seen

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anything like that before. Once it goes in the file,

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it doesn't come out of the file. So we definitely have.

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Some foul play here.

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So to go on, the court says, after she responds

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this way, that's what's involved. There is no question as

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to the holding and the law as regard to this matter.

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It is totally fact driven.

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There was an item that has not been referred to

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by council, and that is the reference to a car

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that there was a taxi driver described a covered car

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when he picked up the defend in round two PM

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that date. Now, that matches Peter Wilson's statements that when

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he got home from the restaurant that he saw a

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vehicle covered in with a car cover and miss Kim's

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BMW was gone.

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So I'm going to take.

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That inference to mean that mister Wilson knew exactly what

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shape and style her car was, and that likely whatever

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car was underneath that car cover did not match that

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same style for him to have said that it was

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not her BMW.

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So we know that at two.

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O'clock, based on both the taxi cab driver's testimony and

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Peter Wilson's testimony, is that there was a vehicle in

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that driveway that was covered by a car cover and

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Miss Kim's car was gone.

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So he says a taxi.

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This is the court saying a taxi driver described a

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covered car when he picked up the defendant around two

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PM that date. What does that have I'm not sure

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the inference I'm.

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To draw from that.

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Mister Parsku, which is the public defender, says, well, the

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evidence will also show that, according to Miss Kim's family,

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Miss Kim did not have a car cover for her car,

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so it's certainly and he gets cut off. The court says,

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I'm sorry, a car cover for her car like this

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is this is He's like, I don't under It's like

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he's saying, I don't understand the inference to this. Mister

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Perisco says, for her car now, the taxi cab driver,

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she owned a BMW. She parked it in the driveway.

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She did not have a car cover to cover it.

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So he's basically trying to relate to the court and

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somehow doesn't manage to get it out that there was

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a second vehicle in the driveway when mister Wilson was

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picked up by the taxi cab driver, which they both

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testified to. So that being said, we're going to move

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on TOFF. It's extremely important evidence. It's it's another sign

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of third party culpability. So we've got a cigarette butt,

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we've got an alleged rate based on semen and sperm

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found on the victim. We've got a vehicle that is

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not identifiable by the tenants. Well, actually, the only person

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who's it's later not there, and we're going to get

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into that when we get into Coleman's testimony. It's absolutely

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the more I read his testimony, the more I can

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see why mister Wilson is convinced that he was the

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perpetrator of the crime.

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But I also played Devil's advocate on that side.

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So this particular and as I go through these, I'm

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not going to read everything on these transcripts. I'm just

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going to read the highlighted or brief what it is

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that I know. But everybody will be able to see

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the actual transcripts on their own end. They can pause

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and read them for themselves that they'd like. This particular

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slide number forty four is what I call states bad

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collection of evidence. So basically, they collected the leaves in

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the basement, and they provided them to a leaf expert

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who identified them as being the same leaf that was

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found stuck to the buttocks of Kim underneath her underwear

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and her pants, which would indicate that somebody had pulled

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those down in the basement, and after redressing her, accidentally

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scooped up a leaf that became stuck to her buttocks.

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But then the state turns around and sends an investigator

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back out to the property to go around the property

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trying to find leaves that match those in the basement,

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which I don't even understand what their purpose of this was,

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because the investigator while at the property, now mind you,

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it's owned by a new person. He's out they're taking

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clippings from a bush when that new residence says, that's

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a tree I planted, so there would this wouldn't be

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related to whatever crime that occurred here at the house.

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And even then he only takes that sample and one

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other sample from another tree. And I'm not, again, not

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sure why they would do that. If you're going to test,

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you should test all the trees. Which is mister Pariscu's

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point in regards to the state's collection of bad evidence,

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is that they should have pulled something from every single

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living bush and tree in that in and around that

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property if they wanted to determine if those those leaves

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in the basement actually came from the property or if

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they were carried in by somebody else.

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Leaves in the basement as well.

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Yes, then those leaves match the ones stuck to her buttox.

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But the two that the state collected from outside the

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house on the property did not match right, And one

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of them, he was specifically told by the current resident,

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is not I planted that tree. It wasn't here the

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crime happened. But that person, that investigator, still proceeded to

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take a clipping of that tree and take it back.

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Very strange.

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Why I don't know.

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Yeah, no, that's it's totally irrelevant. It has no bearing.

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So what was the state attempting to do with this

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leaf evidence would be extremely interesting to me. So basically

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we need to start out with some of the things

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that are going on here. This is the William Coleman

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testimony is going to be read, and it's from the

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nineteen I wrote nineteen ninety six, but it's a nineteen

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ninety eight trial that they read into the two thousand trial.

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And this is the instructions of the judge to the jury.

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And I wanted everybody to hear this. So the court says,

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all right, ladies, yes, okay.

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So he was there for the first trial, but he

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split and was out of the country for the next one.

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I think that once her testimony in the next one.

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Correct and this is where I say I kind of

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played devil's advocate, because if Coleman didn't kill Kim and

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the first jury came back hung, he realized what law

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enforcement and the system could do to mister Wilson. When

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he knew mister Wilson hadn't killed her, I might have

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cut my bracelet and run for the hills myself, because

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that meant I was next on the firing line. So

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I think that when mister Wilson didn't get indicted for

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I'm sorry, convicted of this crime, that he thought he

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had to now worry about himself and he got out

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of town. Now, if he was the killer and he

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got out of town, it is likely because he felt

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that mister Wilson wasn't going to be convicted of the

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crime and that they were going to proceed to look

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for other suspects, but they stopped short.

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And in fact, in Coleman's.

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Own testimony, they didn't take any evidence from him that night.

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So it does appear.

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At a later date that he did some type of

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a rape kit for the city, but in the beginning

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they took nothing from him, and they just absolutely hemmed

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up Wilson and pinned everything on Wilson, and he's the

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one that found the body. So the judge says to

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the jury, all right, ladies and gentlemen, we will be

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back on the record, which will reflect counsel or present,

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the defending his present, and all members of the panel.

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What we're going to do, ladies and gentlemen, at this

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time is to read into the record the individual who

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is not available to testify. And it is important for

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you to understand it's not for you to wonder why,

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or to in any way concerning yourselves with the reason

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for this witness not being present. Okay, the parties have

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stipulated that he is unavailable to testify, and in lieu

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of his physical presence here in court, the parties have

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agreed that they will read into the record testimony that

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this witness has given in a previous proceeding, and the

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process will be to have an individual who is actually

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a deputy district attorney and a colleague to Miss Condren

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play the part of the witness, and Miss Condron will

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play her role of the district attorney, and mister Pariscu

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will play the part of the defense attorney, and they

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will merely question and the witness will respond.

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Is that typical Nolan? You left Nolan?

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I think he's grabbing a cup of coffee.

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Right question.

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So basically, well, you've just missed everything I said, and

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I don't want to reread that for them.

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I heard, I heard, I was in the room.

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I had to.

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Okay, Well, they're they're literally assigning characters, you know, actors

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to a test to a trial transcript, and asking them

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to play a role as if they are capable of

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literally questioning and getting real answers. They're really just going

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down this like they were reading a script for a movie,

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basically for the jury to hear, which I don't know.

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Have you ever seen that happen?

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No, normally you would have the judge read it.

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Into the record.

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Yeah, No, Here they played the part.

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So Condurin acted as the DA, one of her colleagues

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acted as as William Coleman, and then mister Parisco acted

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as the public defender in the questions and the testimony

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were about to read.

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Is Condord not the original DA anyway?

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No?

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She was.

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She was, okay, So she.

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Played herself.

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And so the court continues to say, so what you

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are to do is to take this testimony in the

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same sense, with the same credibility. Oh my god, I

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don't even understand saying.

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The man is gone.

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You've told the jury don't worry about why he's not here,

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but take this with the same credibility as if he

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was here on the stand. This sounds like a complete

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freaking like Twilight Zone movie.

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Yeah, they have no way of judging his credibility. You

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can't hear his am, you can't see here his facial expression.

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No nothing, You've got nothing.

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Same rules that I previously explained to you in determining

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what this witness says. In other words, his credibility, his

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entire like everything is to put So basically I wrote,

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jury is deprived of seeing mister Coleman respond and his

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demeanor during that response. So further instructions from the judge was,

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in other words, his credibility, his entire probative value of

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his evidence is under the same rules, under the same

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limitations as any witness that would be called to testify

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in person. So there's no difference in that at all.

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Now this is going to be read into the record,

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but you won't have a copy of it to follow,

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because it's not for you to feel that it's any

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more important because it has been transcribed, or there's any

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more to significance to it because a written copy has

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been made of it. And you're again just to base

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your determination of the issues in this case solely upon

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the testimony, just as if this individual were physically present.

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I understand that the full name of this individual it

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is William and mister Pariscu. Yes, your honor, the court says,

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William Coleman. So that causes us to climb right on in.

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And I thought some of the most important parts of

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this testimony is his arrival at home, so he gets

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off work at seven o'clock.

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He makes his way to safeway. Yes, good point.

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Yeah, it's by doing it this way it almost is

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more credibility to this testimony and makes it really really important,

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and it almost goes down as fact when it's just

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necessarily be fact.

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And there's no way right.

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And I can tell you that the average adult will

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remember about forty five minutes of being spoken to, whether

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you're in a class setting or on zoom or otherwise.

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You really can't feed too.

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Much at somebody and expect them to remember all aspects

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of it. And the court said specifically we're not giving

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you a copy of this, so they have nothing to

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take back with them to moll Over to read how

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ridiculous this is. And I'm sure with all the confusion,

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you know how it works in the courtroom. Sometimes there's objections.

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Sometimes there's you know, you didn't say that correctly, or

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you and everybody gets all fused right about what was

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really said? What was really the question? And now how

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am I supposed to answer that. You're going to see

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a lot of that in these transcripts, which makes it

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very complicated for a jury to understand how many times

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this man lied. If they could have taken this twenty

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eight page transcript back to the jury room and highlighted

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all the different lies as I have actually highlighted in

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this presentation, they would have had a better understanding of

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what Coleman and Coleman not once implicates Wilson. So let

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me just make that clear. This testimony does nothing but

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make him look fishy and squirmy. So he gets off

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work at seven o'clock. He goes to a safe way

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to pick up some food. He then takes his bike

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and he's riding a bike back, so he rides it

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down Colorado in midtown Colorado Avenue and Middlefield. And then

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he returns home and he says, yep, I parked my

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bike in the driveway where she parked her car and

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around the side of the bushes. And mister Parisk, I'm sorry.

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Misscondurance says, now, tell me about her car. Was it

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in the driveway at that time? And and he says,

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Coleman says, when I got home that Saturday at eight thirty,

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between eight thirty and eight forty five, her car was

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in the driveway.

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Yes.

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Now, now we have that paradox right when the taxi

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cab driver picks up Wilson and Wilson both testify to

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a car being under the car cover that was not

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miss Kim's car. That car and car cover is now gone,

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and Coleman has never seen that car and car cover

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because he's been gone at work all day. But he's

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now home and the car, the BMW, is back in

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the driveway. So we know that up until this point

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that and we're going to hear in this testimony he

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actually has dinner with her this night, which makes.

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It even So what point what time does Wilson get home.

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He doesn't get home until approximately I want to say,

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approximately almost three am.

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Okay, the next day.

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So so the woman, the victim, and Coleman are the

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only two people there from eight forty five to three am.

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Correct, So why focus on Wilson over Coleman. I would

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look heavily into both of them.

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Yeah, exactly.

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The third party the other car with the cover on it.

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Yeah, it makes me wonder who who who Coleman was.

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So anyways, he says, let's see.

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The uh.

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Canduran shows him some exhibits and marks these photographs and

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asks if this is miss Kim's car, and Coleman says, yes,

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that is her car. And the question is okay, is

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that where it's part? And he said, put them back here.

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That's correct. Was it covered at the time you lived there?

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Was it covered with a car cover? Nope, the car

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was never covered. It was the paint was you could

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see the paint color. It was never covered. So this

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is Coleman stating that she's never had a car cover.

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Her family says, she's never had a car cover.

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So why is this whole car cover and the vehicle

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with the car cover being kept from the jury because

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again it's third party culpability.

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So by the prosecution and bad by the judge.

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Exactly right, he did, but they didn't.

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They were again conduring was so hot and heavy on

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excluding every piece that would identify somebody else as being responsible.

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Well, the defense attorneyshire jumped all over it. And it's

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a judge, No, it's mister Condon doesn't run this courtroom.

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You do right, right.

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Or not?

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Yeah, that's grants for appeal right there. Exclusion im courtant evidence,

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you know, by the prosecution and by the judge.

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Well inevidently, oh did you ever find out if there

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was an appeal?

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I have not yet, as a matter of fact. That

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is one of those questions.

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I was trying to remember everything that we asked last week,

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and I did shoot off a couple letters to mister

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Wilson this week.

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Good, But in this long entire one it well.

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Yeah, it most definitely is so basically theory. This could

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have been the killer and they didn't want their car

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to be viewed by anyone who passed. As I've said before,

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the time frame also supports that Kim was alive when

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mister Wilson left home, and that she left with the

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owner of said car under cover in her own BMW.

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That then came back long after Wilson had left. Mister

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Cloming could have merely been scared that he would have

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come under scrutiny if this second trial acquitted mister Wilson,

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and he saw first hand what the law enforcement and

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the DA were capable of doing, because he knew that

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mister Wilson couldn't have committed the crime yet was being

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tried for it. So cutting the ankle base that I

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did get that question out to find out why he

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was on an ankle bracelet.

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Was this something that the city that the.

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Police department had done to keep track of him as

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a second possible suspect, or was he on parole or

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probation of some sort that required him to wear an

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ankle monitor. I'm hoping to get that answer here soon.

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Either way, he cuts that ankle.

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If any of the neighbors were questioned about the car

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and what time they arrived and what time it.

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Left, I haven't seen any of that investigative work. I

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haven't seen any of those reports by.

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The ieive go teh.

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Yeah.

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And when they talked to the neighbors, it seemed like

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they were more collecting, you know, personal information in regards

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to the attitude of miss Kim, in which case they

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all said she was rather aggressive. People didn't really talk

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to her, she kept to herself, but they had seen

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some different acts from her that showed and supported that

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she was an aggressive and almost even violent person who

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will hop on a vehicle and chase people down. Coleman

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arrives home at thirty eight forty five, seven hours before

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miss mister Wilson finds her body. So we want to

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keep that seven hour time frame in our mind because

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of that nine to one one call when Wilson, when

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Coleman says that that she had been dead for four

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to five maybe four to five hours, maybe even longer.

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This at least supports at a minimum that Coleman knew

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she was dead before mister Wilson found her.

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And we'll get into that testimony as well.

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And Wilson didn't kill her because he didn't get home

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till three and he found her shortly thereafter.

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Right, correct, Yes, yeah, he couldn't have killed her.

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And even the forensics support this time frame or this

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this uh purported time frame that Coleman is given to

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nine one one operators, and what he testifies to fits

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in line and the only people that would have been

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home at that point in time would have been Kim

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and Coleman.

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Real quick. What can I ask a question?

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Is it is this evidence coming from the medical examiner

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connected to the DA whatever, it is Everything that they're saying,

476
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the that she was estimated to be deceased, the time frame, everything,

477
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:11.319
they their witnesses, their forensic expert witnesses based on the

478
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:17.440
US attempted to state that she was killed between twelve

479
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:21.079
forty eight pm and one fifty eight pm on Saturday,

480
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.240
when in fact she was killed more like, based on

481
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:28.240
actual forensics, she was killed more than about probably midnight,

482
00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:33.680
eleven o'clock midnight more sense, how the rigormortis played itself out,

483
00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:36.200
and she was completely out of rigor at nine thirty

484
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:39.640
am on Monday mornings, So that twenty four hour period

485
00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:44.000
and even even a few hours extra. For the consideration

486
00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:46.079
that she was in a cool basement which would have

487
00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:48.720
slowed the process, and that she was then taken to

488
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:51.119
the morgue where she was kept in a refrigeration unit,

489
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:54.200
that would have slowed the rigormortis process again, but that

490
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.839
would have put it properly in a timeframe at about

491
00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.160
eleven PM midnight of Saturday night.

492
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:03.680
So that's why I asked that, because I'm seeing that

493
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:08.279
a lot in some very corrupt and local governments.

494
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:14.400
When you're narrating your story, you get your.

495
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:17.279
Experts to testify if they're hired guns, as it sounds

496
00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:20.240
like these individuals were. You get them to testify to

497
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:22.359
the affirmative of your theory.

498
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:28.359
Theory of Wilson being cupable. It actually exonerates Wilson.

499
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.640
It was future testimony by these same experts in other

500
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:38.519
cases after the fact, where they actually correctly testified to

501
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:41.559
the proper hours and time that rigamortis took to set in.

502
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:43.440
Okay, they tried to sit.

503
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:47.000
Yes, So once you narrow win the actual time frame

504
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.599
that it takes for rigamortis to occur and to leave

505
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:52.519
the body that would have already have happened had she

506
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:54.960
been in let's say, a room temperature room, but you

507
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:56.960
got to add some time to it because she was

508
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.400
in cool places like the basement and the refrigeration unit.

509
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:06.079
So another thing that Coleman testified to was the other

510
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.960
than saying I found oh, so he's being asked how

511
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.279
he was being asked how it was that he was

512
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:16.240
dressed when Wilson walked into his room and asked whether

513
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:19.640
or not Wilson said anything to him through the door.

514
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.960
My client's interpretation of this evening is that he yelled

515
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:27.359
for Coleman to come come help me. I found Gene,

516
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:30.039
and he got no response, and he knocked on the door,

517
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.119
no response. Then he opened the door and walked in

518
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:39.240
on Coleman, and he sees Coleman standing there fully dressed, shoes, pants, shirt, sweatshirt,

519
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:41.640
as if he's going to be leaving the house when

520
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.160
it's four am. And he works more of a midshift.

521
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:46.160
As we know, he doesn't get off till seven pm

522
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:49.160
every night, so we probably start somewhere around I'm going

523
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:52.119
to guess eleven am in the morning. There's no reason

524
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.480
for him to be fully dressed at four am. So

525
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:59.319
he's trying to tell the jury that other than saying

526
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:03.039
I found did he say anything else Coleman said, nope.

527
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:06.200
Did he say come with me, Coleman, nope? Did you say.

528
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:10.240
Anything to him Coleman, nope? Did you say where the minute?

529
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:14.200
Coleman says, the minute he mentioned Jean's name, I followed him,

530
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.160
so he claimed, So you're gonna hear him go back

531
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:20.279
and forth, saying that Wilson didn't say anything about Gene

532
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.039
to all he did.

533
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.200
Was knock on the door once to how he was dressed.

534
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:26.920
So there's a whole lot of back and forth, like

535
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:30.200
I said, in this So now he's being asked if

536
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:32.400
there's a light switch that controls a light down in

537
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.920
the hallway, and he indicates where is that light switch

538
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:39.759
located downstairs? Where downstairs? I think on the right hand

539
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:42.839
side of the steps on the stairway. Yeah, how far

540
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.200
down do you have to go? Almost to the bottom,

541
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.000
he says. But this light and door, the door to

542
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.000
the basement was opened and the light was on when

543
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:53.240
when Wilson found Gene. That's how he even noticed that

544
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:55.359
she was there, because it was odd for that door

545
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:57.559
to be open and a light to be on, And

546
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:00.000
he looked down saw Jane at the bottom of the stairs,

547
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.359
and then proceeded to attempt to get Coleman to come

548
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:06.519
assist him in checking on her and calling nine to

549
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:07.519
one one.

550
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:13.279
So why wouldn't why wouldn't Golmand notice the light and

551
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:16.640
the door of basement being open, And then didn't he

552
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:17.480
have dinner.

553
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:17.720
With a woman?

554
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.880
So why would we're gonna get anymore, we're gonna get

555
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:24.000
into that testimony.

556
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:25.200
You're absolutely correct.

557
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.880
His room does not have a secondary door on the

558
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:31.400
rear side to get out like Wilson's does. So Wilson

559
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.519
has a good explanation. He usually leaves by the outside

560
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.400
doorway to his room that allows him to exit and

561
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.160
come in without even coming into the main part of

562
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:43.480
the house. The difference is is that Coleman's bedroom, right

563
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.559
next to Kim's bedroom, does not have a separate exit

564
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.279
entry to the outside, so he literally has to.

565
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:50.039
Come through the house.

566
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:58.160
All right, let's see.

567
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.599
So now he being question as to whether or not

568
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:06.079
the stairway stair stairway is wide, and that's because Coleman

569
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:10.519
states that he entered the basement stairwell and he only

570
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:13.359
went two steps down, went down to take the third

571
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:16.720
step and looked down and claims that he saw the lifeless,

572
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:21.279
pale white body of miss Kim, half dressed, knew that

573
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:23.400
she had been dead for hours, because he claimed her

574
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.000
legs were stiff, and that appeared to be riga mortis,

575
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.000
which I couldn't tell you what rig mortis looks like.

576
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:32.640
And if you've never studied these things, it's not something

577
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:34.880
that the average person is going to be aware of.

578
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.079
But the question is is that a wide stairway or not?

579
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.720
He says yes, question is it wide? How wide do

580
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.480
you want it to be? Coleman says, like.

581
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.359
How is that? An sir?

582
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:51.440
Would you describe it as wide or describe it as

583
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:56.319
as narrow? He says wide? So do you know how

584
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:58.839
wide it is? No, I have no idea how wide

585
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.480
it is. But this all plays into his visibility of

586
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:05.160
miss Kim, what he can see that mister Wilson is doing.

587
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:07.599
But and also the timeframes are going.

588
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:09.440
To flip flop back and forth about how long he

589
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.160
actually stood on that third step.

590
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.200
So it says what condition was she? Her head or

591
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:15.759
she was?

592
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:19.200
Okay, I'm sorry he's the question is in what condition

593
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:23.240
was she? And Coleman says, what condition was she? Her

594
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.160
head or she was fully exposed from the waist up,

595
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:28.640
but the robe she was wearing covered the lower part

596
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:32.000
of her. Did you see any blood? Yes, there was

597
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.720
blood on her was lying on the steps. The blood

598
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.119
was thicker and darker than the outside perimeter of the

599
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:39.680
floor of the basement was lighter, but it was pretty

600
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:41.720
far out. I'm like, I don't even know what to

601
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:47.880
make I can't make sense of his answers sometimes right, So.

602
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:49.480
Did you want it? Says?

603
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:54.400
Let's see, he says, At anytime when you went down

604
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:57.880
the stairs, did you say anything to mister Wilson. Coleman says,

605
00:31:57.880 --> 00:31:59.839
I told Peter Peter, don't touch anything.

606
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.119
Why did you say that? Because I don't know what

607
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:05.079
was wrong? I tell him don't touch it.

608
00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:07.920
And some of his answers also makes me feel like

609
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.759
he English is in his first language, because the court

610
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:13.680
reporter is supposed to be recording what he says precisely,

611
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.480
and a lot of times it sounds like he's speaking

612
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:19.960
missing a lot of linguistics in there that would indicate

613
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:25.400
that he English was his first language. Didn't you want

614
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:28.119
to help miss Kim? She was already dead. There wasn't

615
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:32.640
anything I could do for. How does he know this?

616
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.079
In the even if we talked off at the two minutes,

617
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.960
he said he stood at the top of that stairwell

618
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:41.279
where he couldn't see anything, and what mister Wilson was doing,

619
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.119
He has noticed that this woman is dead and there's nothing.

620
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.799
I can do for. Why did you think that?

621
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.720
Because her legs were perfectly straight and I figured I

622
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:53.559
figured Rigamortis set in, So that means he must have

623
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:55.720
known she was dead in order for him to have

624
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:57.799
figured Mortis said set in.

625
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.240
I don't want to be too.

626
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:05.440
Gross, but the position I mean, my mother used to

627
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:08.519
teach us what Rigamortis looked like when the animals were

628
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:10.079
ceased in the park.

629
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:14.480
Okay, well, but most people you can see the difference.

630
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:15.480
You can tell.

631
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:17.200
Most people don't.

632
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:17.559
Don't.

633
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:18.039
Look.

634
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.240
Here's the thing. I'm not gonna argue whether or not

635
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:21.839
he knew what.

636
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:24.960
Brigham wort looked like. The fact that he told nine

637
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.119
to one one she'd been dead four to five hours.

638
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.240
The fact that he says leave Rigamorties had already said

639
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:34.000
you know that, yeah, exactly. He never went down the stairs.

640
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:38.799
He never it was an ill lit h stairwell. There

641
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:43.039
was mister Wilson in the way. We heard Coleman just

642
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.480
say that it is a wide stairwell, as if he

643
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:48.240
to say that he can stare right straight down it.

644
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.400
And you're going to find that his testimony later does

645
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.839
not indicate that. So his knowledge of this sounds more

646
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:56.400
to me like he was aware she was dead either

647
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.160
by the time he got home or he did it himself.

648
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:02.319
All right.

649
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:06.839
So here they ask him how long he was there standing.

650
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:11.480
He says a couple minutes, and the Linda Condron says

651
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:14.039
a couple minutes, as if a question, and again he says, well,

652
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.159
maybe a minute. I looked at it and I talked

653
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:21.480
to and then he cut off. She says, I'm sorry,

654
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.559
I don't believe that was read correctly. He says, again, well,

655
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:27.519
maybe a minute. I looked at it and I talked

656
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:32.039
and again cut off. So Coleman never finished the statement,

657
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.960
just I looked at it and eh. But he was

658
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:38.880
saying he was there for a couple minutes. So now

659
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:41.760
she says, uh, you said, in talking just a moment

660
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.320
ago he said the board. He said he was trying

661
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.079
to get the board off her. Now physically at the time,

662
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.159
was he trying to get the board off of her?

663
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:53.440
Coleman says, yeah, did you see that?

664
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.800
Yes? Well, then was he not to the right? Then

665
00:34:58.119 --> 00:34:58.360
was he?

666
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:03.559
No, he be spelled incorrectly, to the left. He was

667
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:07.719
moving about. Coleman says, he was down there walking around.

668
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.760
So in some statements he says that that Wilson never

669
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.639
left the actual landing pad at the bottom of the steps.

670
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:18.280
But now he's saying that he's walking around, So he

671
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.000
was down there walking around would be to the left.

672
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.760
Did you ever see him when he touched the board, well,

673
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.800
because mister Wilson was trying to help her. Well, it

674
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.199
was a four x twelve. I don't think anybody's wilding

675
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:34.559
a four by twelve. That's a pretty dark big beam.

676
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.960
Mister Wilson told me that when he saw her at

677
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.239
the bottom of the stairs, she had a four x

678
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:42.679
twelve laid across her chest. He said he attempted to

679
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.800
remove the four by twelve, but it was too heavy

680
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:46.719
for him to pick up and get off of her.

681
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.199
So that's telling me it's quite large.

682
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.159
And if you've ever lifted I've lifted four by fours

683
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:56.679
and four by sixes that are eight to twelve feet long,

684
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:58.679
and I'm telling you that is no joke. That is

685
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:00.920
a lot of stinking weight. So a four x twelve

686
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:04.639
is going to be even even heavier. It says, Did

687
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.039
you ever see him leave the stairway and go into

688
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.480
the basement. No, So again, he's always stood right on

689
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:12.559
the stoop of these stairs. Did you ever see him

690
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.679
step on the landing? Nope, So he never came off

691
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.079
these stairs. Yet just previous to that, the questions was,

692
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:24.639
as I saw him walking around to the left, it says,

693
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.199
you did see him trying to move the board. I

694
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.719
seen him try to move the board. So that's Coleman's testimony.

695
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:33.719
And then he's asked, during the time that you lived

696
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.920
at that residence and during the time that mister Wilson

697
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.559
lived at that residence, do you recall him ever going downstairs? No,

698
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:43.559
he never went down there. Ever, there wasn't anything down

699
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.639
there that was his. Why would he go down there?

700
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.760
So evidently nobody goes into this basement. But there's that

701
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:51.679
cigarette butt, and there's those leaves that we can't explain

702
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:56.239
how they get there. It says, does that house, old

703
00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:57.800
house get drafty sometimes?

704
00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:58.199
Yes?

705
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.639
Is that because if you left the door open to

706
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:03.840
the basement, did that make a draft come in and

707
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:06.719
bring in cold air or damp air or anything.

708
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:07.440
Like that from the basement.

709
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:15.480
He says, nope, Let's see if there's anything.

710
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:20.760
Okay.

711
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.800
So in this next one he says, well, then when

712
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:26.719
I asked you if you told mock.

713
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:29.079
That, why are you saying Why are you saying yes?

714
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.360
He says, I don't think I told him that Okay, Well,

715
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.039
did I mention Let's see wait a minute, let me

716
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.400
see what that first question was. Okay, that piece of

717
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:40.480
wood that was lying across Geen. Had you been in

718
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:42.800
the basement before? Did you ever see that piece of

719
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:43.400
wood before?

720
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:44.039
No?

721
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.119
I have never seen it. Did you speak to besides

722
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.559
Officer Trihio? Did you speak to and were you interviewed

723
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:51.519
by Dennis Burns?

724
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:53.000
That's correct?

725
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.960
Did you also speak to and were you interviewed by

726
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:59.719
Detective your I'm not certain about that. How are you

727
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.599
not about that? He's the arresting officer. I mean he's

728
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:03.400
the one in charge.

729
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.320
Well, then, when.

730
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.239
I asked you if you told Mock that, why are

731
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:08.519
you saying? Why are you saying?

732
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:10.719
Yes? I don't think I told him that.

733
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:14.599
Okay, Well, did I mention you two when we had

734
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.360
a conversation at one point this afternoon that you may

735
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:21.480
have said several things about different issues? Yes, that is correct.

736
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:26.360
I'd like, so this is Condrin coaxing. You've said different

737
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.639
things about different issues. Yes, that's correct. I'd like to

738
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.000
show you a portion of Mox report, Counsel. This is

739
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.280
page two of Mox report, page three of all of

740
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.079
the reports, and I've highlighted the first full sentence of

741
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:39.639
that report and the second sentence as well. Please read

742
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:42.519
that to yourself. Now, I wish I knew what that was,

743
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.639
because she doesn't. They don't ask these questions. Just read

744
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:48.400
it to yourself. And these are reports that he's given

745
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:50.719
in previous testimony.

746
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:51.039
To laun.

747
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:52.800
Lead.

748
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.239
Where's the judge basically saying shut it up?

749
00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.320
Well, you got to remember at this point this is

750
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.360
now being just read off the transcript. There is no

751
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:05.800
judge interaction, there's no this.

752
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:11.159
Is so wrong's for Coleman, a deputy.

753
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:15.800
DA colleague of Linda Condren, is speaking his media that

754
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:16.679
the answers.

755
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:19.360
So he says okay, and she says okay.

756
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:21.719
Do you see that now? He says, yes, I see that.

757
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.519
She said, did you tell Officer Mark that yes, sir,

758
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:30.840
that's correct. Is that the stairway was narrow, and he

759
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.199
answers that the stairway was narrow.

760
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:35.400
So here he just said wide.

761
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.679
And this is the reason why he could see everything

762
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.239
standing from the top three steps. Now he's saying that

763
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:43.440
it was he originally told everybody it was narrow, and

764
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:45.599
did you tell Mak because it was narrow you could

765
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.639
not see past Peter Wilson. That is correct, So this

766
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:51.079
is what he's told the officers.

767
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:56.079
But why does it need to ask if it was

768
00:39:56.199 --> 00:40:00.400
narrow or wide if the officers obviously were on that

769
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.519
stairwell making the size of it right, right, I.

770
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.440
Guess they're just asking to determine.

771
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:11.159
His right well because he he's later stating there he saw, yeah,

772
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:13.719
that he saw Kim dead, he saw the pale face,

773
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.800
he saw her undressed. But now it's showing that he

774
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:20.599
has already told police officers in the first stage that

775
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:24.719
it was a narrow thing or a narrow hallway or stairweale,

776
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.360
and he can't see Pass Wilson, who is basically on

777
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:32.480
this side on the stairwell side of miss Kim, who's

778
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:35.679
at the bottom of the landing pad. So basically it's

779
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.000
narrow and he can't see what's going on because.

780
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:39.119
He can't see past Wilson.

781
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:42.760
Did you tell Officer Mark that because you couldn't see

782
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.039
pass Wilson, and did you tell him that is one

783
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:48.039
of the reasons that Wilson was moving about around back

784
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:49.679
and forth at the bottom of the stairway.

785
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:51.079
That is correct.

786
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:55.559
So now by no cross examination by mister Parisco says,

787
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.320
did you report to your employer that you had your

788
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.960
hand or had hurt your hand on the espresso machine.

789
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.440
So there's this great big thing about him hurting both

790
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.599
of his knuckles, and he claims that he was riding

791
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:12.840
his bicycle, ran into a wall accidentally scraped up his knuckles.

792
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.639
Then at work while doing dishes and other things, that

793
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:19.400
those cuts just became even more prominent and wider and

794
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:23.639
cracked more so that he then actually only told the

795
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.440
police department that he had injured his hands on the

796
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:31.280
espresso machine, totally forgetting the fact that he never injured

797
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.440
he never injured his hands on the espresso machine. And

798
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.239
that's what we're going to hear. He said, I told

799
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:38.280
her I hit it first. I told her I laid

800
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.079
my bike scratched against the building. I told her from

801
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.880
this scratch and see I am. And then she I

802
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.119
told her when I worked with the machine, gripping the thing,

803
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.119
it sort of, I got to some pharmacy, got some

804
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.000
medicine and put it on it, and it was okay,

805
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.159
I don't Again, he's not answering the questions. It's like

806
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:02.440
he's dancing around with these these aers. Okay, so you

807
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:06.480
told your employer. Basically, he said, Miss Kim, I mean

808
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:10.199
Miss Chung, Maryon Chung, Maryon Chung. You told Marion Chung

809
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:12.800
that you had injured the finger while on your hand

810
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.360
while on a bicycle. He says, that's correct. So he

811
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:18.320
tells his employer he hurt his hands on a bicycle

812
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:23.000
and later reinjured it on the coffee machine. Well, when

813
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.840
you gripped it when I working there, gripping it so

814
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:31.880
again when I working there. His linguistics is just not

815
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:35.920
like it's English. And maybe mister Wilson is correct that

816
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:41.599
he is not American, but he couldn't identify his race. So,

817
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:43.960
mister Parsku, when you were talking to any of these

818
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.559
police officers after Miss Kim was found dead, did you

819
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.920
tell them about hurting your hand on the bicycle? Coloman

820
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.400
says no, I told them, no. I told them Miss Chung,

821
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.320
I heard it on the machines. It was on the machines.

822
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:58.239
Why didn't you tell them how you heard it on

823
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:04.159
the bicycle? Miss Kan objection, that's not correct. Now she's objecting,

824
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.119
mister Parscut, Why didn't you tell him how you heard

825
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.880
it on the bicycle. I didn't think that at the moment,

826
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:18.039
what you didn't think to tell them how you originally

827
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:22.199
injured your hands, because washing dishes is yeah, can irritate

828
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:26.000
it absolutely on grabbing something, especially if it's on your knuckles,

829
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:29.760
can cause the knuckles to expand and crack and bleed

830
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:33.639
old hurt wounds. But he says nothing and mentions nothing

831
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:38.039
of this bicycle at the time. Let's see, I guess

832
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.679
my hand, both my fists on the side of the building.

833
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.239
Both is hard like this like this. Oh, and this,

834
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:46.199
I'm sorry, I should have read the question first. It

835
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.119
says which of those cuts were caused by the bicycle?

836
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.840
I guess my hand, both my fist on the side

837
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:53.639
of the building.

838
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:57.360
Both is hard like this like this and cuts off again.

839
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:02.519
So he's again, which the question was, which of those

840
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.679
cuts were caused by the bicycle? And he dances around

841
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.199
it in a way that doesn't even identify which one's

842
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:15.519
occurred from that all right, so mister Pariscu says, okay.

843
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.480
And the injury that is depicted in this photograph, Coloman

844
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.719
says comes from hitting the building and bending. And then

845
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:26.440
I put stopped it from bleeding when I was working

846
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:30.039
in the cleaning machine making espresso. The cuts seems to

847
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:34.559
get wider and more deeper. Pariscu says, you didn't cause

848
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.559
any new injuries on the espresso machine. No, it just

849
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:41.840
irritated the one that was already on my hands. So now,

850
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:44.480
oh gosh, we did not make it near as far

851
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.079
as I thought we were going to make it today.

852
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:50.320
So now he's stating that it just irritated it, but

853
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:52.920
he told the police officers that he injured it on

854
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.280
the espresso machine.

855
00:44:57.920 --> 00:44:59.800
Let's see what kind of things do you do at

856
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:01.760
the CA. I don't think we need to know that

857
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:04.440
he washes dishes.

858
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:10.360
We already discussed that, says, Wait until I finished for

859
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:11.280
the whole three.

860
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:11.800
Or four hours.

861
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:13.800
Your hands are in water, he says, when I was

862
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:17.119
washing dishes, Yes, but not your hands are not in

863
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:19.760
the water for the whole three hours. Take them out,

864
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:22.320
then do something else and I wash again, put them

865
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.440
back in the thing. Is there a particular reason why

866
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:27.519
you didn't tell the police when they asked you about

867
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.480
the cut on your hand about this bicycle incident. I

868
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:32.960
didn't think of it, I said, I didn't think of

869
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.679
it because I for I got from there. I was

870
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:39.639
making this espresso and you opened it up and again,

871
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:47.039
he doesn't answer the questions, Wait until I finish. Was

872
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:50.480
work on this espresso machine? He says, yes, because.

873
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.400
It was scratches at first, or a scratch.

874
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.800
Then I went on the machine, it opened, the cuts

875
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.159
made it more of a cut than a bruise. Not

876
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:03.920
a bruise, but a scratch. So again, it's not ears question.

877
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:06.559
I know, I know that it's That's why I just

878
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:08.480
picked out some of these pieces so people could kind

879
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:11.239
of get an idea of how Coleman is answering these

880
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:16.719
questions and how confusing all of this is. Now, mister Pariskus,

881
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:20.400
it's oh, and it gets even shadier, like this just

882
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:21.960
gets even shadier as we go.

883
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:24.800
He says, what did you get Friday night? Do you remember?

884
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:27.159
Now this is in regards to the meal. He says, no,

885
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.679
I don't remember Friday night. He says, when you came

886
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:32.280
in at four o'clock in the morning to go to

887
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:34.679
work on Saturday morning, did you notice whether or not

888
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.480
the light was on in a room? He says it wasn't,

889
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:41.079
It was not on. Was the door closed? The door closed?

890
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.159
And is that usually the way it was when she

891
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.760
went to bed to keep her door closed? Her door

892
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.159
is always closed. She went to bed, she closed the door.

893
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:54.280
Her door is immediately next to the bathroom door. Colman says, yes, okay,

894
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:57.280
mister Wilson doors right next to hers at the end

895
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.760
of the hallway, and he answers one door, one of

896
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:03.800
his doors. Yes, So this confirms my client's testimony that

897
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:06.119
he states he has a back entry. So we now

898
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.079
know that he does have a way to access his

899
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.239
room without coming through the house, right.

900
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:12.199
He says.

901
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.039
Question, Now, it seems that to you that it was

902
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.159
about three o'clock in the morning when you heard mister

903
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:19.760
Wilson banging on your door, knocking on your door. Is

904
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.760
that correct? Will Coleman says, I'd say about three o'clock.

905
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:25.880
To me, I don't have my watch on. I think

906
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:29.039
about three o'clock, he said. And you said that when

907
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.960
you heard that, you immediately put some clothes on because

908
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:33.280
you assumed it might be Jane.

909
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:35.000
He says, that is correct.

910
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.599
Isn't it true that when mister Wilson knocked on the door,

911
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:40.880
he said, I found Jean, hurry up and come with me. Nope,

912
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:45.119
but that's what he told the officers. We just read

913
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.480
that out of his own transcript. Nope, he didn't say that.

914
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.559
He did not say that. No, okay, is.

915
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.239
Your testimony that he didn't say anything until you came

916
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:56.599
and opened the door. He knocked on the door and said, William.

917
00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:59.679
By that time I did I already got my pants

918
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:02.639
on and shirt, so I opened the door a little bit.

919
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.320
He is standing there. How many times did he knock

920
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:08.719
before you put your pants on? He knocked once like that.

921
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:11.280
I have jumped up, put my pants on and went

922
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.039
to the door, opened it, and he is.

923
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:13.840
On the other side.

924
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.920
Do you remember telling Officer Mocked that Peter Wilson was

925
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.320
knocking on your bedroom door and mister Wilson told you

926
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:20.679
I found Jean, hurry.

927
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.760
Up and come with me. Nope.

928
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:29.400
Do you remember telling Officer Burns that mister Wilson actually

929
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.320
opened the door and said I found Jane. That's what

930
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.639
my client states was the story that night.

931
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:39.039
Nope. Are you saying you didn't say that he didn't

932
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:39.360
say that.

933
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.880
So he's asking whether or not Coleman said it, and

934
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:46.159
Coleman saying no, Wilson didn't say that. He's not answering

935
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:50.960
the questions. He says, Okay, did you not say to

936
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.519
that to Officer Burns, he says no. And he says

937
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.639
this is in regards to a question as to him

938
00:48:57.639 --> 00:48:59.639
having his shoes on. So now he's only said I

939
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.039
put my pants on once, I put my pants and

940
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:05.159
shirt on a second time, and now he's got shoes on.

941
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.800
And his answer when asked if he's got shoes on,

942
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.320
he says, yes, she had if he was allowed to

943
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:12.440
wear shoes in the house. Yes, she had shoes in

944
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:14.719
these boxes behind the door. I take my shoes off

945
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:16.760
and put them on top of the dryer. When you're

946
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:18.920
in the house, you always keep your shoes on the dryer.

947
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.159
Miss Kim said, I can't wear shoes in the house.

948
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:22.280
I wear my socks.

949
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:23.199
When you got up.

950
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.639
Early Sunday morning with mister Wilson, you didn't have your

951
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:29.519
shoes on in your room, he said. I had put

952
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:31.679
my work shoes, the shoes I go to work on

953
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:33.559
top of the dryer. Other shoes I have in my

954
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:35.599
room and I put by my bed. So when you

955
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:37.639
went to bed Saturday night, you took the shoes from

956
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:39.960
your closet out and put them by your bed. Yes,

957
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:41.880
by the bed. I think that's all we're going to

958
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:43.760
be able to get to. We've got about ten seconds

959
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.360
to sign off. You guys, we did actually make it

960
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:47.800
a lot farther than I thought we would.

961
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:48.360
Yay.

962
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.599
But we still have about ten or fifteen slides, including

963
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:54.719
the laundering of money and drug trafficking that we'll be

964
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:55.719
going through next week.

965
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:57.800
So I'm going to thank you all for being here.

966
00:49:57.960 --> 00:49:59.559
Thank you Nolan, thank you Harriet.

967
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:00.719
We'll pick up.

968
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:03.679
We'll have a better question series next week.

969
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:04.840
We got it.

970
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:07.119
Haven't ask you about the peel.

971
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:08.840
I will.

972
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:14.280
Good weekend, Have a good weekend, Happy thirteenth guys.

973
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:38.920
Yeah,