May 1, 2026

Dennis Kaufman’s Investigation of Jack

Dennis Kaufman’s Investigation of Jack
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Timing is everything and no more coincidental than the politics surrounding these crimes. Dennis turns Jack into the FBI in 2000, and determining if Jack gave the cops some busy work in 2001 with the Anthrax mailings is continued with 2002 and 2003 mailings to Tom Voigt which contained a white powder, fingerprints and DNA purportedly from the Zodiac Killer mailed out of Malaysia where the last Anthrax scare was sent to Microsoft in Reno, NV. DB Cooper mailed Reno, NV as well. Coincidence???

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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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We are back where we left off last week, which

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is going back into Dennis's life as he's trying to

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recover from finding out that he believes Jack Terrence is

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the ultimate suspect for the Zodiac killings. Of course, at

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this point in time, that's really all he has focused on.

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He has turned him into the FBI in two thousand

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and has worked with the FBI for about a year,

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including trying to get DNA done, which we know that

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was not completed, or at least not in the same

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aspect as twenty on twenty with Harry Phillips when he

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ran eight other people, including Arthur Lee Allen, successfully Excluding

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those eight individuals and most of them we know as

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fake suspects from the Tomvoy website or other sites that

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have proclaimed that these individuals were good possibilities for the suspect.

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In two thousand and one, we see the anthrax mailings

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we just came out of that that were mailed, and

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Dennis supposes that this was likely something that Jack did

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in order to give the FBI some busy work because

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he has just been turned in too law enforcement as

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a viable suspect. Now in two thousand, as we moved

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through two thousand and one, Dennis is trying to make

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his life over again back in California, and we start

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to see another range of communications that come out which

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are to Tom Voight, and of course Tom Voyd denies

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that these communications are from the Zodiac Killer. We're going

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to be talking about those after we discuss some of

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the things that Tom Voy used to carry on his

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website with AOL. And I don't know that I don't

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think that it's a coincidence that Jack has turned into

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two thousand. We have anthrax mailings in two thousand and

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one that many of the public back then believed was

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from the Zodiac. I thought they were crazy, but here

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I am today to talk about it. And then in

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two thousand and two, Dennis is not getting the recognition

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that he thinks he should be getting people round filing

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his evidence. They're saying he's doesn't know what he's talking about,

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or that Jack is not actively being investigated because the

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hours were not put into him, that was put into

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another fake suspect, Debora Perez. So we see the Zodiac

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reach out to Tom Voight in two thousand and two

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wanting to give the real story, and in two thousand

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and three saying I sent you DNA and fingerprints. You know,

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I'm telling you the truth, to ultimately being shunned by

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the Tom Voight community as well, leading to what I

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call is the two thousand and five finale letter. So

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we're going to move quickly through Dennis's book at this point,

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and I'm going to let you know what's going on

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in Dennis's life as he's traversing this particular investigation that

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he finds himself all alone in. So, oh, good morning,

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Welcome to the show. Noe Lenin Lindsey, WOA give morning, Lindsay,

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can you hear me? I can hear you? Okay? Good, good, okay.

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So we're just picking back up on Dennis's book where

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Dennis is at when he moves back to California and

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is trying to restart his life while navigating the Zodiac

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investigation against Jack Terrence. So his book says, Charles and

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I met with Tony and he agreed to open up

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a new Cellier's store and Charles would run it. I

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was looking forward to having my little brother close to

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me once again. Charles and his girlfriend Crystal was ready

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to go back to Texas and get their belongings and

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return to get their new store open. I asked Charles

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if he could leave his dad in Texas until they

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got their own place, because there wasn't enough room for

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all of us in our one bedroom apartment. Charles agreed.

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So this is basically stating at this point that Jack

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is remaining in Texas while Charles is coming back to California.

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Charles and Crystal, and remember Crystal is the girlfriend that

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lives one zip code over from Tim Miller. And the

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two thousand and five finale letter that I say tries

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to wrap up and take credit for many of the

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crimes in the past sixty years. Charles and Crystal's left

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to get their things in Texas and would return in

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a couple weeks. Joy was concerned about Jack coming back

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around after all that has happened. I assured her that

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everything would be all right. Just a few days after

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Charles and Crystal left to go back and get their

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things from Texas, I get an unexpected visitor at my

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front door. It was Jack. I told him that he

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could not stay here. Jack said it would only be

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for one night and then and then he would stay

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at his brother Dawn's that lived only a few miles away.

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So Dawn, his brother, is living in Rooseville at this time.

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I told Jack that he could only stay until tomorrow.

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He agreed. Things were about to take a turn for

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the worst. Is this was the beginning of the end.

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Throughout the night, Jack kept yelling and banging on the wall,

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acting like he was doing this in his sleep. I

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had to keep going down and telling him to be quiet,

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because then neighbors were banging on the wall yelling at

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us to be quiet. Jack would stop for a few minutes,

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and then he would start yelling and banging again. I

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was getting furious. I could see that Joy was getting

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to the point that she couldn't take anymore. I do

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not like getting the police involved in anything, but this

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is the only way to handle this situation, to prevent

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anyone from getting killed or going to jail. When the

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police arrived, I explained to them that I did not

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want this man in my house. When the police talked

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to Jack, in no time, he had them convinced that

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he was senile. I glanced over at Jack when the

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police officer walked away for a moment, and Jack looked

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at me and whispered, see how easy it is. The

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officer that walked over to me had told me that

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my stepfather has dementia and it is common among older folks,

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he said. The officer also told me that he couldn't

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make him leave my apartment. I was also informed that

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if I kick him out of my house, I could

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be charged with a felony for abandonment of an elderly person.

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I could not believe how easy Jack had fooled the police.

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That's one of those scenarios you never I can't imagine

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somebody faking senility when the doctors today can't even actively

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diagnose it.

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Yeah, well, I remember you whenever you another time when

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you read this passage, and I just remember thinking even then,

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like wow, like what a good use of abuse of

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the medical like you know regime.

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Oh and and the police as well. I mean, I

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couldn't get the police to do anything about my dad

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who was being violent with dementia. I couldn't get him

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to report it. I couldn't get them to do anything.

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That too.

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But there there was There was no fasilory, there was

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no fifty one fifty. And I'm until the doctors had

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come to the conclusion that he did, in fact suffer

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from dementia. But his fifteen minutes with Kaiser was never enough. Right,

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God could.

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They're not arrested him, they're not making him leave. Right.

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It's my mom's safety I'm concerned for at this point,

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because she's literally, you know, in the household, and he's

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being violent, he's doing things that Of course, when the

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doctors explained to me that, oh, this is just a

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side effect of the dementia, this anger and this violent

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activity and all of this stuff, I said, no, you

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guys don't know who he was. I grew up with him.

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All you guys have done is now put that oppressor

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right back on me. As if it's my responsibility to

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deal with this abuse all over again. So I mean

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you until they diagnose him and until he has an

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all out like I mean, he was driving his vehicle

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when he was told not to. I took the battery

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cables off. He walked out and figured out that they

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were off, put him back on, drove again, got lost.

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I then took the took and put one of those

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bars in the steering wheel to lock it up because

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I couldn't take his keys. He was very, very particular

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about his keys always being on him. My dad always

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carried this hunk of keys on the side of his

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hips all of my life. I thought, that's going to

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throw your hips off either way. He I put the

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bar on. That man spent I don't know how many

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hours on one hundred and ten degree day out there

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with one of those little tiny triangle shaped files, and

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he literally saw it right through the steering wheel bar.

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Yeah, oh my gosh, and.

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Drove and got lost again. And here I am. I'm

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I'm proclaiming to DMV. I'm proclaiming to his doctor. Then

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I removed the chip, thinking there's no way he'll know

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about this chip in his vehicle. That man was capable

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of getting somebody from O'Reilly's not only to come out

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figure out that that chip was missing, but replace it

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and drove again.

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I'm telling you what it is is like.

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A part of their brain, because we have several patients

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like this, a part of their brain functions like at

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one percent capacity, and so that part of his brain

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was working just fine. It was the other part that

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was like, you know, where he was getting lost?

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Was like his sense of direction was where the dementia was.

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You know what I mean.

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I mean you could.

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Easily tell what it's usually what you know if they

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have venture on.

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You know what I mean, it's.

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Yes.

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It happened the same way with my grandmother.

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She she was like at her wits about everything else,

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but like when she would go to her she would

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go to her doctor's appointments when she was still driving herself,

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and she would literally get lost. She started to get

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lost every single time and didn't know where she was

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and had to call on her cell phone like, hey,

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I don't know where I'm at.

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I thought I was gonna Well, at least you got

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a phone call.

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My dad would constantly mess my house after I had

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lived there for almost ten years and end up in Reno.

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He wouldn't stop and ask for directions. He would he

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was too embarrassed. So where they fail, they fail also

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to make it up in logical sense, which is, let's

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talk talk to somebody and figure out what's going on.

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And it was completely lost. But I highly doubt that

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that's what's going on with Jack here, because Dennis just

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spent the night with him. Dennis would have known if

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he was suffering from dementia, because they begin to repeat

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themselves every you know, fifteen to twenty minutes, telling the

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same story. And that's why I say, Kaiser in their

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fifteen minutes sucks. Spend another fifteen with them and you'll

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get to hear the same stories you just heard in

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fifteen minutes all over again, as if it's brand new.

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Yep, he's it before.

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Lindsay probably doesn't know because she's not from California. But

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fifty one to fifty is the code section for like

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a mental health emergency. So a lot of times the

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cops will come. They won't take the person to jail,

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but they'll take them to the mental health facility for evaluation,

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and usually the remainder for seventy two hours. Sometimes they

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decide to keep them. Sometimes they release them.

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They just came out, damn in a situation.

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I think he's causing a disturbance in the house and

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with the neighbors.

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Okay, but he had just come out of the hospital

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from an instant where he had to lose a toe

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because again he's not thinking logically and his diabetes. He

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got a blister, he let it go, It festered and

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the toe started to rot. He ends up in the

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hospital and he's there and once he's healed and the

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amputation is done, they declared they can't keep him anymore.

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They don't have a home for him to go to,

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but they can't keep him anymore because there's nothing more

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they can do for him. And he's basically just taking

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up a bed. So he just got put off back

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on me to figure out what to do with him.

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So there was no fifty and him or getting put

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back in the hospital. He was just released and they

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already told me there was nothing they could do for us.

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And that's another symptom of dementia, is when they start

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having issues with their legs and their toes and they

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have and they're having to get well.

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Diabetes is considered the third, the third dementia third third

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type of dementia. So you are absolutely correct in that.

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So Jack, he obviously drove himself back to Tech to So, yeah,

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how did you drive from Texas to California? If you

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if you got dementia? Whatever, we know, we know it

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was a ployed. Dennis knows it was a ploy but

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the cops told him you can't kick him out. That's

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elder abuse. And your stepfather is suffering from dementia. So

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I wonder that.

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I wonder if during this time that law that you

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did just mentioned.

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Oh yeah, oh yeah, fifty one to fifty has been

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around as long as I can remember. Yeah. So, to

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continue on with Dennis's story, he says, I've had enough

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of this. At this point, I was ready to resort

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to drastic measures. This man is not going to ruin

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my life any any more lives. The police left, and

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I walked back to the apartment. I went upstairs and

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told Joy what had happened. She started crying, and I

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couldn't take anymore. I refused to let this killer back

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into our lives. I reached up in my closet and

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took out my pistol. I was going to end this

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once and for all. I loaded my pistol and waited

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for Jack to come back. He returned about three minutes later.

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Joy looked up at me well while she was crying,

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and asked me, why does it have to be this way?

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I wish I could answer that, I told her. As

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I proceeded downstairs, I looked at Jack and said, fuck you,

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you worthless piece of shit. Jack thought it was funny

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until I pulled out my pistol. His attitude changed very quickly.

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He started saying I don't want to die. I told him,

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neither do Mom or any of the others. You motherfucker.

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I asked Joy to come down here for a second,

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and I asked her if she would tell the police

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that I had to shoot Jack in self defense. Joy

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and I had been together for sixteen years, and she

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always liked Jack, and when she saw him pleading for

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his life, she ran out the front door in tears.

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This is how our relationship of sixteen years would end.

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Just a few days ago, things were good. Now it

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has all changed. I don't know how I let this

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happen again. I looked around and noticed how well Joy

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decorated our apartment, and now she is gone, and I

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am stuck in my own house with the man that

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had murdered my mother. I realized that my younger brother

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had come to California for other reasons than to visit.

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I cannot describe the words how I felt at this point.

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Oh boy, so I'm taking it that he feels that

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Charles showed up to California not for a visit, but

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to drop Jack off on him. Wow, that's what that

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kind of sounds like right now. I felt like I

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members do that. Yeah, well, but this is his youngest son.

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This is his youngest son, the one that didn't want

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to believe that Jack was the Zodiac. He was upset

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for quite some time that Dennis was calling him the Zodiac.

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So if you loved him so good and he was

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such a great dad, why would you come and drop

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him off on somebody you know he can't stand. I mean,

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it makes absolutely no sense. But whatever it says, I

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cannot describe. Yeah, I cannot describe with words how I

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felt at this point. I felt like I'd been drained

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completely of all my energy. I knew I had to

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go on somehow, no matter how dreamed I felt, I

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couldn't let this monster in I had to bring him

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to justice. If I gave up, Jack would continue his tally.

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After a few days, I got a phone call from

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Joy and she wanted to let me know she was

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all right. This was a big relief for me. Though

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I was missing her, at least she was safe somewhere.

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The next few weeks was rough. I did not get

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much sleep. I had to put a string across my

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bedroom door that was tied to empty soda cans so

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I would hear if someone tried to come in my

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room while I was sleeping. After I closed my store,

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I would usually stay on the internet until after midnight,

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searching the web for anything relating to Zodiac. This went

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on day after day and week after week. I had

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no choice but to devote my time to this depressing

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Zodiac case. Right so, on May thirteenth, two thousand and two,

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Jack is being seen Sutter of Roseville Medical Center back

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in Sacramento. May through June of two thousand and two,

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we see billings for Jack's related medical condition and they

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are being mailed to this sixty six to oh one

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Sunrise Boulevard, Citrus Heights, nine to five six one zero.

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This supports Jack's residence in Citrus Heights, California, which is

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a suburb of Sacramento, until at least June of two

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thousand and two. And Jack is receiving mail at Dennis's house,

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So basically he has now taken possession because Dennis cannot

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kick him out.

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Wow.

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Yeah, wouldn't that sucks somebody you absolutely despise, you think

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killed your mother being forced on you.

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I would give him three eight others to leave.

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They couldn't. He couldn't. Then what sue him? Take him

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to court and get him out?

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Yes?

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And what if there was legitimately some law on the

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books that state you can't kick out somebody? And Jack

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still continues to play the senile dementia state. But he's

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also a veteran, right, I mean, they could find him

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a home at the VA hospital out in Yonville, they

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could find him in Martinez. There pretty much made there.

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Yeah no, sorry McClellan. There's a few different places at

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this point in time that actually have homes for veterans.

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But all right, so we say that he's there until

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June of two thousand and two. This is where it

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gets crazy. So Jack is now left and on July

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fifth of two thousand and two. One month later, we

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have Jose Thomas Espinoza on the eight hundred block of

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Russell Palmer Drive in Kingwood, Texas, approximately nine to fifteen pm.

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He received a phone call from a payphone and drove

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to a parking lot where he was shot multiple times

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by an unknown suspect. Witnesses observed a dark color four

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door Sedan on the parking lot next to a white van,

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and a passenger got out of the dark colored sedan.

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Passengers shot at Jose and he turned to run but tripped.

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Suspect then punched Jose and began arguing with him. Suspect

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then shot him multiple times and rifled through his pockets

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and giving something to a passenger in the room seat

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of the SAVALLANH sedan. Both vehicles then pulled away, going

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north on Russell Palmer Drive. A composite drawing is available,

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though I don't have anything in regards to it, and

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I don't know that I necessarily see Jack at his

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age throwing down with a full on fist contact. But again,

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these are just here because we don't know where Jack

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is at this point, and he's kind of wandering all

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over between Texas Washington, Oregon and California, Jul Like I.

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Was gonna say, I think I remember that case being

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on America's most want it if I'm not mistaken, I

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just thought I mentioned.

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That that would be interesting, and that sounds almost bobbit.

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If you've got two parties showing up in two different

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vehicles and then willing to shoot somebody right out in

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the open. No very brave. All right, somebody speak to me?

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Can you guys hear me?

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Yeah? It was laughing.

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Hello, I can hear you, I can hear Okay, good,

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that was me. Maybe maybe it sound like a man.

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I don't know.

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It was like her alter ego coming through, like our

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evil laugh.

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It was so weird.

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I don't know what's going on with my headsets today.

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It was been net channeling the zodiac. One said, yes,

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I believe that. I believe in that stuff, y'all. Like

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I'm telling you so, I'm basically swept swapping back and

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forth for whatever reason. One had one earpiece is dying

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while the other one is not. So one is in

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charging while the and I don't understand because they were

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all in and charging. I don't know, we know me

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and technological issues. So but yeah, so the whole double

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car thing with two people, one person gets out rifles

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through his pocket. So maybe this man had something that

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was important to this other person in this other vehicle.

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But either way, what's that say that again, Nolan? I

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can't hear no one, but I can't hear you. Okay, good,

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I'm like, oh my god, I'm lost again. Either way,

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that screams of involvement of more than one person as

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far as I'm concerned, and that is right conspiracy. So

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July second or July twelfth of twenty and two, twenty

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three year old Sarah Trusty last seen and i'lgo a

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near her church on her bicycle at eleven pm on

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July twelfth. Found in the foyer of the church the

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next day. There is always this funny placement of bikes

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from children that go missing. She was found dumped on

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July twenty eighth on a in a dike in Texas City.

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On July seventeenth, twenty two, twenty nine year old Marcos

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Mina eleven thousand block of League Line Road in Conro, Texas. Gosh,

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you guys, Conro is so full of murders. I just

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I can't even understand what is going on in this area.

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It's like a mini New York. It sounds like with

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all these deaths that are happening. Beaten to death and

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found in a ditch. Left home at Whitroad, Houston, Texas

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on July fifteenth at approximately seven pm, en route to

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an ex girlfriend's house driving a light blue nineteen ninety

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six to four to f one fifty truck and was alone.

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July twenty third, two thousand and two, truck is found

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abandoned at the Hurricane Ballroom in the one hundred block

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of West Dinah Street in Houston. This brings me back

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to the LA killings. Every time there was somebody dead,

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our vehicle ended up miles away somewhere else, kidnapped in

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one place, killed in another, and dumped and then returned

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to original location with the victims vehicle. This is a

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huge red hearing for many crimes throughout this presentation. All right,

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look at this, you guys. I know that this might

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be a little hard for some people to see, but

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this is a picture of Dennis Kaufman and Tom Voight.

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Tom Tom Voit's on the left. I'm not sure who

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the chick is in the center, and we've got Dennis

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on the right. You know what, this is what's scary

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because at one point in time, and I'm pretty sure

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if it wasn't Tom Voy, it was one of his

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little trolls had put up a picture of somebody doing

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drugs with Dennis and then accused me of being that

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person in that picture. Number one, if I wow, you

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would not catch it on film the rail, I can

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promise you I am not. I just watched a docu

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series the other day and this gal almost married a murderer,

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and after she found out he was a murderer, she just,

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like peek, dived into drugs and drinking and all the stuff.

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And she's videotaping herself the entire time doing that. I'm thinking, God,

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I mean, yes, all of this, so yes, you're right that.

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I look at that and I go like, somebody could

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pop probably perceive that to be me. But I promise

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you it's not. I've never been to any avoids get togethers. No,

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That's what I'm saying. I do you know what, Let's

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see what his book says, because this picture was in

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combination with it. July two thousand and two, while I

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was searching in the Internet for any current news on

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the Zodiac case. I noticed someone by the name of

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Tom Voight was having a Zodiac gathering at Blue Rock

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Springs just outside Balo. This was where one of the

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Zodiac crimes had taken pl thirty three years earlier. According

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to Tom Voight, the organizer of this event, the purpose

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of this gathering was for people who was interested in

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the case could share theories and possibly shed some new

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light on the case. July fourth of two thousand and two,

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I attended this gathering and I realized most of these people,

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including Tom Voy, had no interest in bringing Zodiac to justice.

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I later realized Tom Voy was just a wacko trying

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to become a hero by solving the Zodiac case, and

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I think just the opposite. I understand Dennis's you know,

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thoughts about Tom Voyd. I think he's there to disseminate

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and to detur, disseminate false information and detour the actual

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solving of this case. And most people that I've come

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into contact with that has spent any moments with him

465
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:48.599
on his board will tell you the same thing. Yeah.

466
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.039
July four, two thousand, okay, blah blah blah. I was

467
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:57.279
I Yeah, okay, when mister Voight realized that the police

468
00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:59.799
were more interested in Jack than his suspect. He did

469
00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:02.680
everything in his power to discredit me. I had set

470
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:05.279
up a web page and mister boy had saturated it

471
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.759
with pornography over and over. He even went as far

472
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:11.079
as sending me an email that he said he would

473
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:14.559
rape my dead mother. I couldn't believe that somebody would

474
00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:17.039
stoop to such a level. It was hard to not

475
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:19.720
let this idiot get to me. This guy is nothing

476
00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:22.119
but a nutcase and does anything in his power to

477
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.079
keep Zodiac from being brought to justice because his whole

478
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.119
career would come to an end. There's the key statement.

479
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:31.960
Yeah, I was just about to say that, Yeah.

480
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:39.079
What's one hundred percent every person in media or news,

481
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:43.119
any story, any book, any anything being done. They direct

482
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:46.519
him directly to Tom Voyd. When I wanted to play

483
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:49.759
just the clips of Dennis and I on Aphrodite Jones,

484
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:54.559
I had to get permission from the production company, and

485
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.279
the legal department sent me a list of all of

486
00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:01.279
the images and news videos anything to do with the

487
00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:03.599
Zodiac that I was not allowed to show on my

488
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:07.799
show because guess what, all the rights and royalties were

489
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:08.920
owned by Tom Voyd.

490
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:16.200
Okay, so it's a money maker for you. Possibly he's

491
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:20.240
got some people that are controlling him, or he's affiliated

492
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.039
with don't want don't want it solved.

493
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.720
I told you that. I told you his father was

494
00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:34.440
also an investigative journalist for the LA Times, right, really, yeah, yeah,

495
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:37.279
Now we're starting to see some connections because we also

496
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.400
have the Black Dolia case that has remained unsolved for

497
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:41.160
whatever reason.

498
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:44.640
It's very important to look.

499
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.039
Because they just didn't want it.

500
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.000
Solved exactly.

501
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:53.640
Forever.

502
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:56.839
Yes, I've learned that.

503
00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:01.039
I've learned, especially in the last recent years, especially because

504
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:03.559
they show themselves way more out and it's easier to

505
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.799
see them for what you know through their actions and everything.

506
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.960
Is that actually lost my thought?

507
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:15.440
Whip corrupt, cops corrupt? You know.

508
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:21.240
So I was gonna say, it's very important to look into.

509
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:26.960
These journals he can and even law enforcement.

510
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:31.039
Look into their background, where they came from, their family,

511
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.160
their their mother, their father.

512
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:35.039
Their siblings.

513
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:36.039
It's very important to.

514
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:39.920
Look into that to verify really their information that they're

515
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.039
portraying because it really does tell.

516
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.240
The story and it really does tell the truth through

517
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:44.960
their background.

518
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:47.279
So if you do that with every single person that

519
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:50.400
you beat information from, like as far as like on

520
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.160
the news or like in law enforcement, like you know,

521
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:57.039
bigger officials like that that are like constantly putting out

522
00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:58.759
media and constantly putting.

523
00:28:58.480 --> 00:28:59.799
Out stories, if you would.

524
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.880
The back room it tells the whole entire truth and

525
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:05.440
doesn't let the truth like you will see right here

526
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:07.119
and who's true who's not.

527
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:12.799
I understand that. And in this particular instance, we find

528
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.519
that the Hurst Corporation owned both the La Times and

529
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:20.240
the San Francisco newspapers. So to me, ultimately there's that

530
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:24.279
mob syndicate connection. They control the police, they tell they

531
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.599
they not only are told by, you know, these individuals

532
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.119
what they can and cannot say as far as news

533
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.640
stories are concerned. They're able to squash the news stories.

534
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:36.160
But you can only get away with that if you

535
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:37.359
have somebody on board with you.

536
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:44.480
I don't I think it was the Examiner, And in

537
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:46.960
La it might have been the Examiner or the Daily News,

538
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.440
but I don't think it was the Times. The chandlers

539
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:50.160
on the Times.

540
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:56.200
Oh okay, well, either way, you have how many magnets

541
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:01.880
that own major newspapers. They all circulate the same exact

542
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.000
association and company.

543
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:10.160
Yeah, Heirst have a lot of syndicated writers, for instance,

544
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.519
Dorothy Kilgallon, and they ran in all papers, just about

545
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:18.559
every big paper. So the Times would run Hearst syndicated

546
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:20.079
columns and pieces.

547
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:22.799
Ah so maybe that's the association.

548
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:27.400
A lot of everybody would subscribed to Herst and his syndication.

549
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:32.799
Ah well, I I that information came from Harriet evidently

550
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.519
running checks on things. So that's where my belief came from.

551
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.039
So I'm glad that you clarified that.

552
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:42.359
Yeah, there's a great book called it's called The Powers

553
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.480
That Be by David Halberstamp. It talks about the history

554
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:50.039
of various large media newspapers Washington Posts, LA Times, and

555
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:53.000
so that's why I'm and I interviewed with LA Times

556
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.799
back in the day when I was a journalist. And yeah,

557
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:58.559
the Chandler family has owned him forever.

558
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.640
Okay, Well, either way, they all are still interconnected as

559
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:06.160
far as I'm concerned. I mean, Murder and Yeah and

560
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:08.160
Hurst and all of these people.

561
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.319
There to examiner. I'm pretty sure that was his paper.

562
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:17.240
In LA Huh. Well, to me, each one of these

563
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:21.640
crime sprees have brought millions of dollars to these to

564
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.759
these news outlets at a time when money was not

565
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:27.880
to be made. There was no war to report on.

566
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:29.960
What were you going to sell in your newspaper other

567
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:35.720
than mob hits and and serial killings.

568
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:37.440
That's being a car yet.

569
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:40.920
So on August nine, two thousand and two, I received

570
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.920
a phone call. This is Dennis again, you guys. I

571
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.799
received a phone call from a relative living in Michigan

572
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.920
State that my biological father passed away from heart failure.

573
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.160
This was the last thing I needed to hear. I

574
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.599
had dreams of getting to know my father after Jack

575
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.359
was brought to justice. However, this would this could never

576
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.680
happen now. I booked a flight to Detroit, Michigan, so

577
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:02.440
I could attend his funeral. The funeral was very emotional.

578
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.079
It was almost too much for me. Dad did not

579
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.400
want people to wear suits at his funeral. He just

580
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.680
wanted everyone to be the way they were when they

581
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:12.519
came to visit him when he was alive. There were

582
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.240
several of his favorite songs that were played at his funeral,

583
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.279
songs that he had picked prior to his death. One

584
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.960
song brought back a memory that was all but forgotten.

585
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.319
It was when I was five years old. I remember

586
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.680
him saying, by son, you probably won't ever see me again,

587
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:30.000
as he got into his car and drove away. It

588
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.880
would be thirty years until we meet again. This was

589
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:34.960
such a bad day for me. I think I had

590
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.880
chose not to remember it. When I returned back home,

591
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.039
I refused to live with Jack anymore. I could not

592
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.400
kick him out because it was a felony, so I

593
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:49.720
decided to move into another apartment September two thousand and two.

594
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.119
I keep hoping there might be a chance that Jack

595
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.119
will be brought to justice, but it has been two

596
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.880
years and we still don't have any results on the

597
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.200
DNA testing that is being done in over a year ago.

598
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:09.960
Wait a minute, I lost my oah. I keep hoping

599
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.519
there might be a chance that Jack will be brought

600
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:14.480
to justice, but it has been two years and we

601
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.000
still don't have any results on the DNA testing that

602
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:20.079
is being done on the Zodiac letters. The results should

603
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:23.440
been in over a year ago. On October twenty second,

604
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.519
two thousand and two, Primetime News claims that the San

605
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.640
Francisco Police have been successful in extracting DNA from the

606
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.799
Zodiac letters and the results are in. I couldn't believe

607
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.000
my eyes as I sat and watched the show. I

608
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.960
had been waiting for over two years for this. I

609
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.720
kept waiting for them to mention Jack, and nothing about

610
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.920
Jack was said. They did eliminate three suspects who a

611
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:49.000
DNA was compared to Zodiacs. I figured if Jack's DNA

612
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.119
did not match, they couldn't announce it on national television

613
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:56.079
before they arrested him. I think, oh, oh, they did

614
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.720
eliminate three suspects. I don't think I read that correctly.

615
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.559
His DNA was compared. I figured if Jack's dnal okay

616
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:05.279
did match, they couldn't announce it on national television before

617
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.079
they arrested him. I got several phone calls from different

618
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:10.639
law enforcement agencies who worked with me, as well as

619
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:14.360
my lawyer in Washington. Everyone thought that Zodiac would finally

620
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.519
be arrested. My brother Charles saw the show and asked

621
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:19.480
me if they were going to be arresting his dad.

622
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:21.639
I told him I wasn't sure what was going on.

623
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.039
I stopped by my old apartment where Jack and Charles

624
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:28.119
were still living. It had only been two days since

625
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.000
the show aired. I could feel the tension from everyone,

626
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.280
including Jack. So go ahead.

627
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:37.519
With Jack.

628
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:44.039
That's that's Nora Dennis's mom, Oh, okay, interesting.

629
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.239
Yeah, Yeah, that's what I thought too.

630
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.000
So that's that. And and this is one of those pictures.

631
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:50.960
This is one of those pictures that were very close

632
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:51.800
to the composite.

633
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.119
Oh, I know, God, every time I see it, it's

634
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:57.440
like gives me chills every time.

635
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.840
I'm still Now he's barrel chested as a pot belly

636
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.960
hanging over his belt, just like they said at Lake Berryessa.

637
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.679
He's got the glasses, he's got the high hairline, he's

638
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.639
got the double chip or the cleft chin if you will.

639
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.440
He's got He's got everything that was that was ever reported.

640
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:16.559
That's for sure.

641
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.480
Yes, So Dennis believed that Jack would have been being

642
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.159
watched by the FBI at this time. And two thousand

643
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:25.000
and two, Harry Phillips, as I said, with twenty on

644
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:27.960
twenty pays for the DNA test on the Zodiac case

645
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.199
with eight suspects. Arthur Lee Allen is excluded as a

646
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:35.079
possible suspect. In this segment, Dennis asks Harry white Jack

647
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.079
wasn't on his show, and Phillips responded, because we knew

648
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:40.360
the other eight suspects were not the Zodiac.

649
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:42.079
Does that.

650
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.760
It implies he knows something or is not allowed to

651
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.800
say something, or it implies that they did everybody but

652
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.400
the person that it could possibly have been, which is

653
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.360
again just to make money on the mystery.

654
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.559
Let's get some readings, guy, So, yeah, you don't want

655
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.000
to air do you want to get him arrested first?

656
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.519
I would think, well, I think it's the same thing

657
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.079
with John Benay's case.

658
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:07.000
Yeah.

659
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:07.400
No, no.

660
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.159
So basically this is the back portion, and it's really

661
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:17.400
kind of just an excerpt on that teasing tantalyizer for

662
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:19.079
the book to get you involved. I'm not going to

663
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.400
read it. But here is Dennis in one of his

664
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.159
pictures that was inside the book, and I just labeled

665
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:27.159
it with rest in peace because we know Dennis is

666
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.119
no longer with us at this point. That brings us

667
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:33.280
back to some more murders. On October. Here what's up?

668
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.320
Picture of him? Right? Right? Y.

669
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.320
October fifteenth of two thousand and two, unidentified human skeleton

670
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:45.000
remains at Peachcree Bridge at Faulkner Road in Cleveland, Texas

671
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.159
were found. Citizen found a school in the river. Creek

672
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.559
was searched for other remains and none were found. No

673
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:55.800
DNA was obtained, so here we have a school once again,

674
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:58.320
which really kind of reminds me of John Walsh and

675
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.280
them only fighting his son's school. We're seeing these body

676
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.320
parts swapping thing that's going on ahead here a body there,

677
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.719
hands here in another grave with other bones like this

678
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:09.760
is it's a pattern? Literally it is.

679
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.360
Yeah, like the woman that Donald lass in u.

680
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:19.480
Right, her head but no other, no other remains.

681
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:24.480
Even up to recently, in recent twenty twenties, you know

682
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:30.000
the Gabby Patito case where the head, his head was found,

683
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:34.559
that's all he found. Isn't that crazy? It's not a coincidence, dude,

684
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:36.199
the boyfriend.

685
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:41.840
Yeah, yeah, okay, you know, was it a murder suicide?

686
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.239
I thought, Gabby, that's what they said.

687
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.760
He fled and his parents help conceal him, and then

688
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:49.400
he or something and then.

689
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.679
All they found was his school remained some of them or.

690
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.400
School, but who knows if that's really his school.

691
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:56.679
I don't exactly.

692
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.719
Yeah, I've got in a way I think I do.

693
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:01.480
I do to Yep.

694
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:04.760
Well, when you're being dealt a hand like this from

695
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:09.599
the media and from news sources and from people like

696
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.679
Tom Voight, it leaves you in that state of bewilderment.

697
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:15.639
Not knowing what you can trust or can't trust, what's real,

698
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:18.639
what's not real? What's the truth anymore?

699
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:24.360
Yep? And uh, just on the Netflix documentary I watched

700
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:30.440
on Gabby and her murder and all that I know

701
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:32.679
constructed justice.

702
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:37.800
Yea, yeah, basically, how did they not get arrested?

703
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.480
I was wondering, why didn't they get arrested.

704
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:44.480
Same way that nobody has been arrested in the Epstein files.

705
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:46.079
They all got money.

706
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:53.280
Well, Charlie Kirk, the Charlie Kirk case, where ud you know?

707
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:57.360
They named Tyler Robinson as the perpetrator, but I don't

708
00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:59.639
think it was him, obviously we know why. And then

709
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:04.079
but his roommate was apparently a furry you know, that

710
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.079
was his beat his boyfriend, apparently that's what they say.

711
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:12.039
And then he is the one who had the text message,

712
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.079
the supposed text messages on the phone where they where

713
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.920
he supposedly confessed to him and knew about it date

714
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.039
like at least two days before.

715
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.719
So and where's he at?

716
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.159
Why is he not being questioned? Why is he not

717
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:31.039
being you know, you know, indicted or something, because like

718
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:36.119
even his own family members have came forward through different

719
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:40.679
journalists on the media on Twitter and stuff, and told

720
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:44.159
them like they didn't understand why they're not talking to

721
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:48.440
him more because he was a troubled child, like even

722
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:49.719
his own family.

723
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.320
So a mean things that I learned recently and probably

724
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:55.679
within the last two days. I had a great conversation

725
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.280
with a friend, and I'm not going to out this

726
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:01.119
person for the information that was given, but I was

727
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.760
questioning why they would allow these mobsters who have done

728
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:10.119
dastardly things to flip and tell on other people in

729
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:13.079
order to get a reduced sentence or to not even

730
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.519
be in jail, just go into the witness protection program

731
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.199
and be shifted off somewhere else. Not only do these

732
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:21.239
people never have to pay back the moneies that they've stolen,

733
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:23.880
but they get off on things like murder because they

734
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:26.760
turn in five or six people. And the reality is

735
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.559
is that the court system, including das and judges are

736
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:34.360
given bonuses for closing cases. So do you want to

737
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.039
close it on one person that you literally busted or

738
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.199
get him to flip so he turns in five to

739
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.480
ten other people and now you have ten convictions. And

740
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:48.119
one of the scenarios that I was given was in investments,

741
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:52.039
So investment sales. He said that the Wolf of Wall Street,

742
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:57.639
which he knew personally himself, was con or was arrested,

743
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:02.559
but flipped on his sixty five brokers beneath him. These people,

744
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:04.800
while they should have known they were making more money

745
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:08.480
than any other business would have provided them, still didn't

746
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:10.880
know what they were doing entirely was illegal. But the

747
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:13.559
Wolf of Wall Street did when he flipped on these

748
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:17.719
sixty five brokers. These sixty five brokers went to jail,

749
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:21.480
got astronomical finds to have to pay back in the millions,

750
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:23.719
while the Wolf of Wall Street didn't have to pay

751
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:24.840
back anybody anything.

752
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:26.639
You gotta slap on the wrist.

753
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.079
Basically, yeah, he was looking at a lot of guard

754
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.760
because he was the mastermind exactly.

755
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:36.360
And I'm wondering this whole time. I'm watching these mob

756
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.000
flicks where these guys are now here in our face

757
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.400
in twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six, going I

758
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:46.039
got away with twelve murders because you flipped on somebody

759
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:48.559
else and they got busted. But now you get to

760
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:50.480
sit here on live TV and tell us what a

761
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:53.079
piece of crap you were, And that's entertainment.

762
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:59.800
Regt Felt, Henry Hills his name, the mobster that turn

763
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.559
and you know, rated on everyone and got got in

764
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:04.840
the witness protection program.

765
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:08.679
But one of the first ones was in the early

766
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:11.400
sixties and it was the first time what they called omerta,

767
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:14.719
which was supposed to be silence you don't speak of

768
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:20.400
or talk to or yeah you you're silent, was violated

769
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:26.280
a mobster and then mobsters. What's that Blatchie was his name.

770
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:31.360
He's the one that brought the mafia out in the open, right.

771
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:36.000
They're still there and you get to hear in these

772
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:39.159
mobster stories about how these people took their ill gotten

773
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:43.039
gains or their you know, or their illegal monies turned

774
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.320
it into a real live business. That real life business

775
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:49.679
doesn't get taken down. Yeah, you know, it was never

776
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.159
taken from him. They used that money to create a

777
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:56.239
dynasty to run politics and government and that's who's running us.

778
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:56.400
Now.

779
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:58.239
We need an entire government reset.

780
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.559
Yeah yeah, yes, yes.

781
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:07.119
No, now a reset on taxes. We go back to

782
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.400
the laws that were enacted, not the ones that were

783
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:16.000
voted and overruled by newscom. Anyways, back to the anthrax

784
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.599
letter really quick, because I noticed this at the end

785
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:22.480
was the letter Z in the facts communication for a

786
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:27.239
prescription from Jack in Oregon and the level in which

787
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.800
are the baseline in which inclines, and we see that

788
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.719
happening in this particular communication. But also to note that

789
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:38.440
the letter Z that is found here I then mapped

790
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:42.280
out with all of these other z's throughout all the

791
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.159
way into Tom Voitz, and I don't see anything so

792
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.559
different that would make me question whether or not Jack

793
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:51.760
could have possibly wrote wrote this. Either way, that was

794
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.400
just another similarity in the handwriting that I put together.

795
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:59.239
Now here is the front page of Tom Voy's website.

796
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:00.960
I don't know how much we're going to get into this.

797
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:03.840
Do we want to start this right now, guys, or

798
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.199
do we want to just kind of shuffle around?

799
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:10.000
What's the reason it's here?

800
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:15.360
Because this is his original website in two thousand, we

801
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.679
started to see it being dismantled by the time Jack

802
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.159
is turned in. This is another thing that's not a coincidence.

803
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.639
By the time Jack is turned in in two thousand,

804
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:28.079
two thousand and one, we see the anthrax mailings. Two

805
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.920
thousand and two, Dennis doesn't think anybody's taking him seriously.

806
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:36.119
Two thousand to the Zodiac, writes Tom Voight two thousand

807
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:37.880
and three he follows up and says, you know who

808
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.760
I am based on my fingerprints in my DNA. But

809
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.559
by this time, Tom Voyd is readily dismantling his website

810
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.159
that he's had since the nineties off of AOL. He's

811
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.440
stripping it and the stuff goes completely gone. You guys,

812
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:55.000
we're always told that if you put it on the Internet,

813
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.599
you'll never never get it removed. Well, then that means

814
00:44:57.639 --> 00:44:59.960
that he has that the powers to be to get

815
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:03.079
things removed because most of the website had been torn

816
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:05.440
down after figuring out who Jack was.

817
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.599
Well, okay, I'm gonna go I'm gonna have to go

818
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:10.880
in the our chop and see.

819
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.199
If I could find anything about that, because I guarantee

820
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:14.159
you there's something there.

821
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:16.039
It never goes away completely.

822
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:18.599
It does. Girl, I've been on the wayback Machine, and

823
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:22.000
I'm telling you I've asked, oh, yes, I go to

824
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.440
the way Oh this is where I captured most of

825
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:27.559
these images. And I was able to actually compile twenty

826
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:31.880
eight page document of information from Boyd's website. And that's

827
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:33.800
why we're going to talk about it now because people

828
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:35.920
can now go to his new website and see how

829
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.440
he changed stuff so you're gonna get the screenshot of

830
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:42.480
the things from before. And let me say this, I

831
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.400
know for sure and for a fact that on one

832
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.199
of the Fox we see up here Fox News right

833
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.159
right underneath Tom Boyd's face. When we were doing our

834
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:56.239
stuff with CBS thirteen News, Chris Pickle was very upset

835
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:59.639
that she had done extensive interviews with myself and with Dennis,

836
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.480
and when she got back, they cut it down to

837
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.199
like less than a minute and thirty seconds, not really

838
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:08.000
saying anything that would have proven that Jack was the Zodiac,

839
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:11.880
but just a suspicion, making it look ridiculous almost because

840
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:15.800
then they followed that with a airing of a bigfoot sighting.

841
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:19.199
Oh my god, Wendy.

842
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.440
Reminded me of the UFOs and the stuff that they

843
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:22.199
bring up just to.

844
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.599
Try to throw people off, right. And the bigger thing

845
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:27.639
is is that when I was on the way back

846
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.639
machine looking at Tom Boyd's old site, he was Dennis

847
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:33.800
said that Tom Boyd would do this kind of crap

848
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.440
to him all the time, remember the pornography and all

849
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.079
the things that you know Tom Boyd had done. When

850
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:41.840
I went I found the actual clip of the Bigfoot

851
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:48.400
that was played on CBS thirteen News on Tom Boyd's website.

852
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:54.280
There it was bad. And guess what when I watched

853
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.159
this whole entire thing go down. It took a couple months,

854
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:00.559
but then eventually, at some other point they aired the

855
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:04.000
fact that the bigfoot sighting was what from a retired

856
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.039
San Francisco police officer who claimed to have found a

857
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:08.360
bigfoot in a freezer?

858
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:10.440
Oh my god?

859
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:14.039
But a wild end of the story too.

860
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.679
Yeah, and that comes like way later discounting it. But

861
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:21.719
it was used and shown after the segment on Jack

862
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.920
and the Zodiac as if to just make light of

863
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:32.639
and call something regardous. Yeah, and I think that at

864
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:35.079
some point in time Dennis had relayed that he believed

865
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:38.320
that tom Boit full on took responsibility for ensuring that

866
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:41.719
that happened. And if Tom Boyd owns all of the

867
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:45.239
media clips and footage and everything from the news, he

868
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.920
has that relation or that association where he could probably

869
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:52.119
get just about anything he wanted done. Yeah.

870
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:54.039
Well, I was gonna ask you real quick.

871
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:57.199
So you since you've looked at his I'm sure you've

872
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:01.480
tried to find Dennis's old website, then right, Well.

873
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:04.480
I'm assuming that since it's not being paid for anymore.

874
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:06.559
It was probably torn down. When I try to go

875
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:08.360
to it, I get an empty link, but I have

876
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:12.119
not tried to search it. It's full of so much wrap.

877
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:17.679
It's full of so much lies and trolls and people

878
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.400
just beating up Dennis as a person instead of focusing

879
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.000
on the evidence. It became almost too much to even

880
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.119
be a part of. In fact, when I first climbed on,

881
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:31.159
I climbed on incognito and anonymous. Nobody knew who I was.

882
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:34.079
For several weeks, I was there listening to what they

883
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:36.360
were doing and tormenting Dennis and the way they were

884
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:39.800
treating him, and so I just kicked back and listened

885
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.679
and watched, and before I knew it, then I came

886
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.119
out and said, look, you guys, I am the handwriting expert,

887
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.679
and oh my god, the attack was on. I had

888
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:52.719
Tom Boyd contacting me by email. I had trolls that were,

889
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.599
you know, bashing me, calling me this saying that like

890
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.000
it was just absolutely insane. It's too much for anybody

891
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.280
to have to deal with. And the other side of

892
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:06.199
it is that he plays close detective friends with Sandy Betts.

893
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:10.800
She's all over his site. He is willing to accept

894
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:13.559
that girl all day long in there telling her story,

895
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:18.840
even though he knows that the people she's accusing are

896
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:23.480
not the Zodiac, and he entertains that is.

897
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:26.400
He still alive and kicking and then running the shat

898
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:32.000
he is, I mean she's.

899
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:35.360
Yep, yeah, I was today.

900
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.000
It would be interesting to look at his look at

901
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.880
his web old website, maybe on the archives, just to

902
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.199
see if we could find anything, because then we could

903
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.320
find the names of those people out in him to

904
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:49.199
see if they are familiar in you know, when.

905
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.679
They're I will get those u URLs to you. Guys.

906
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:53.880
This is the end of our segment. We are past

907
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:55.960
our time. At this point. We will I will get

908
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:57.960
some stuff over to you and maybe you can figure

909
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.480
some things out. I've done and exhausted the research that

910
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.239
I can find. I have a lot that we're going

911
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:04.559
to cover over the next couple of weeks in regards

912
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:07.440
to this website. Before climbing into his letters, I am

913
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:11.400
fifty three year old. Fifty three years old today, I

914
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:18.840
have today. I'm gonna go celebrate my weekend. I hope

915
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:24.880
you all have a great time to excite you guys.

916
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:29.239
Take care, I'll talk it soon met Jewel tomorrow on me.

917
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:33.719
Bye you guys, Bye,