Zodiac Killer and Jack Case Summary

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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Road, Jack Finding the Zodiac.
Today, we have Nolan del Campbell with

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us. I'd like to welcome him
to the show. Good morning, everybody,

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Good morning. I'm kind of excited. This is where we're going to

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put together all that information that we've
learned so far about this killer kind of

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hopefully weed out I think some of
the so called facts that the Internet would

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like us to believe. And at
the same time, we're not able to

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exclude Jack at this point, so
we're going to continue with his attributes after

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we do the summary of the Zodiac
information. I'm excited. How about you?

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I am too. Yeah, all
right, So basically I'm gonna throw

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up this PowerPoint presentation so everybody can
see what's going on here. That way

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you can pause it, go back
and read it if you need to it

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a later time. Is that coming
up there? It is? All right?

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So summary of the Zodiac, descriptions
and evidence in the cases. I'm

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going to take us actually as back
as far as Edwards and Domingos in nineteen

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sixty two, because I think it's
very important that you established this EMO that

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seems to be circulating around these crimes. So Edwards and Domingos was a remote

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lovers lane type murder. Once again, the gun that was used was a

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twenty two caliber. The AMMO that
was used was a super ex Winchester Western

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long Rifle. They did find military
affiliation boots, these wingwalker boots sized ten

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and a half at the scene of
the crime, and that there were precut

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rope pieces shorter than three feet.
They did indicate that they believed that Linda

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had to tie up Robert and then
Robert tie up Linda, which we already

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are very familiar with that in the
Lake Berryessa case. But I wanted to

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be able to show that this is
a running mo. Now there was also

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fire attached to this particular crime.
So the suspects stacked the bodies on top

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of each other in a lean to
and tried to set them on fire.

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They found the matches the attempt to
set the fire, but it did not

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match. On the Swindles murder in
nineteen sixty four, the gun used again

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as a twenty two caliber um.
There is a purportedly the wallet is taken,

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but this is not a robbery.
I also believe this is the case

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where the watch is possibly linked to
Sherry Joe Bates was taken. There is

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a military affiliation. Again, this
was a twenty two long rifle. And

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then I'm I'm pretty sure that the
AMMO, though I could not find that

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information was consistent with the super Axe
Winchester Um brand, which again had been

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tracked back to Vandenberg Air Force Base, which is another military affiliation. So

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the or military or current military Swindle, Yes, yes, Swindle was actively

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in the Navy at that point in
time. And this that was close to

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the San Diego correct well, the
other one was more central coast, not

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far from Santa Barbara, I believe, act I want to say Gavota,

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somewhere in that area. There's actually
a slew of crimes in the Gabiota area,

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which case they had just hemmed up
the Golden State killer Joseph DeAngelo over

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some of those Gabiota murders. So
I wonder how they're going to play into

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the presentation that I have, since
I had initially thrown them into the pot

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thinking that there's a possibility that they
are consistent with the same killer. We'll

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see now in Sherry Joe Bates there
was a knife that was used, and

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of course I have all these methods
are in red so that we can see

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by gun by rope, by fire, by knife, all the things that

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we're going to hear about in the
future from the Zodiac in his Halloween card.

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So basically Sherry Joe Bates was a
knife that was used half inch to

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three quarter inch blade handle. There
had been evidence that a handle piece of

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this knife was left behind at the
scene of the crime. I think this

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is why there were two men back
with flashlights searching after the murder was completed.

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That was witnessed by one of the
neighbors in the area. There was

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a watch that was found, and
now law enforcement attributed that to being the

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suspect's watch because it had been ripped
off his hand in that fight with Cherry

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Joe Bates, but there may be
a chance that this is that cross connection

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that we're looking at, and we're
going to talk about how those work out.

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He did make a reference to time
and short, which again is black

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dahlia, and the hair that was
found clutched in Cherry Joe Bates's hand was

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a reddish brown dark to light blonde. I kind of wanted to cover that

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just for a second, because that
two tone hair is kind of what we

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heard about from Officer Folk in the
Stein murder. He indicated that it appeared

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to be a lighting issue, but
he thought it was grain underneath and then

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a reddish brown on top. I
believe we're going to cover that here in

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a minute. But he also saw
this two tone effect, so I thought

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that that was interesting how they went
from reddish brown to dirk to light blonde.

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In Sharry Joe Bates, that knife, the bladeside sounds so small.

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It's amazing that he would murder someone
with a blade that small. It is

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a very small blade, and I'm
going I will show you one that was

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found in Jack's possession, and half
the handle was missing and the tip is

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definitely broken on that knife, which
is something that he indicated that he broke

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the knife off inside of her.
Now, of course law enforcement reports Barry

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and go back and forth. But
I would think it would be awfully hard

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and autopsy to miss a tip of
a blade. Even if it was microscopic,

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it's still going to show up on
X rays. So, and I

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don't know why he would lie about
that in his letters, since when he

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is taking credit for these crimes and
talking about these crimes, he's delivering information

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that only the killer would know,
which is how they pegged him for the

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letters to begin with, well to
continue in Sherry Joe Bates, there was

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also the military affiliation with the wing
walker boots sized ten and a half,

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and there was a use of teletype
paper. Let's remind you Jack, radio

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operator. Teletype is used at this
point in time in military governments, newspapers,

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any type of media industry where getting
information on demand is pretty much the

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thing that they're using this teletype four
and Jack owning one, and we see

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him fixing it in nineteen sixty two. We know that he's right there in

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the realm of being able to have
had the paper that they're talking about in

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regards to the confession letter for Sherry
Joe Bates. He also made phone calls

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to law enforcement and he sent in
letters. Now, when they came back

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and said that they matched this to
Edwards and Dominga's nineteen sixty two, it

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must be because they also received phone
calls and letters. That's my thought,

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right, I mean, what else
did they use? Wasn't And they're also

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intriguing about Sherry Joe Bates's father,
some sort of weird Yes, he would.

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He worked for the Navy as well, and he worked I believe in

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one of one of the labs in
the Bay Area that I want to say

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Nevado, but that actually works on
the bombs like or at least that was

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the information I was given when Harriet
had done a search on him. Right,

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So where did I go there?
Okay, so phone calls, some

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letters. Now we have the Lake
Herman Road evidence. The gun was used

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a twenty two caliber, the Ammo
again a super Ax. The vehicles that

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were actually witnessed in witness statements from
the reports are a white Chevy and Paula,

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which this is probably where the author
that is blaming Door for having been

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the Zodiac killer out of Fairfield had
done a three D view and found what

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he claimed to be a white Chevy
and Paula in his driveway. The man

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actually owned a light blue Chevy Nova, so his connection to paul Door saying

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that he was the Zodiac killer because
of this vehicle that he was able to

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see in that view is not true. The other car, white Chevy and

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Paula, was seen twice by two
different witnesses, and then the blue Valiant,

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which was somebody who bothered another person
who just happened to report that experience

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that night because of the news that
broke on the murder. In Mike Majoe's

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case, he survived this attack,
and he indicated a white male twenty six

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to thirty years of age, but
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He said he was short, about
five foot eight inches, one hundred

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and ninety five to two hundred pounds, real heavy set, not blubbery,

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but real beefy. He had short, curly hair, light brown, almost

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blonde. So again we're going back
to this, there is definitely some consistency

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there. The clothing at this time
was blue short sleeve shirt as reported by

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Mike Majoe. The gun that was
used this time as different. It's a

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nine millimeter luger. The suspect called
the police department. Again in regards to

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the US, the amma that was
used was Western and it was written in

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a letter by the Zodiac in order
to take credit and prove that he was

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the killer of these kids. The
problem here with Mike Majoe is there's no

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mentions of glasses, which we have
clearly established that the Zodiac killer wears glasses,

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so he may not have seen absolutely
as much as he claims to have

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seen. And then he goes on
to id six foot fall ball blubbery two

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hundred and fifty pound Arthur Lee Allen, which isn't even consistent with his statement

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at all. So we know that, so we know their phone calls and

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letters in this case too. Then
we make it to Lake Barriessa with Brian

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Hartnow and we have a suspect description
of white male twenty to three thirty years

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of age by voice concept, which
we're going to get to the voice concept.

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It doesn't make a lot of sense, but um he said he had

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a drawl that was moderate and sound
sounded uneducated, but not illiterate. At

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five foot five ft nine to six
feet tall, two hundred to two hundred

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and fifty pounds, stocky build,
stomach hanging over trousers. Well, he

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basically just described Jack. At that
point. He claims seeing brown hair seen

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in the eyehole, which again that
could be subject to light. So if

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he is standing over the top of
him and the hood is shading that hair,

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it may very well be a reddish
ground. But he's just seen the

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dark of the color because there's so
much light out at this point in time

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that's surrounding them. So he also
stated that the man walked with the lumber.

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The clothing was a win windbreaker blue
or black, dark pleated slacks blue

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or black, which were old fashioned. That he was wearing gloves. This

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is interesting because in the Paul Stein
murder there are gloves left behind and this

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was heard by mister Archie White,
who was one of the first responders on

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the scene and overheard Brian hart Now
telling another responder that he was wearing that

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the suspect was wearing gloves. He
was also wearing wing walker boots ten and

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a half m R or D military
affiliation. Again, Now, the information

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given to mister White when he arrived
on the scene was the Emma was that

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he wanted money and car keys.
He was an ex con from Colorado going

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to Mexico. Um, he says, I have to tie you up and

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going to have to stab you.
So that those are interesting statements, have

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to as in he's hired for a
job. It's kind of how I felt,

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right Nolan. Yes, I mean
I have to I have to tell

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whether it was his demons talking to
him or whether it was good point,

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good point. Um. He also
used rope, small rubber coated clothesline that

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was pre cut to two and a
half to three feet um. Cecilia again

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tied up Brian just like we heard
in the Dominus Edwards case. He did

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have a gun on him on his
right hip, which was a Brian thought

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to be a forty five caliber semi
automatic. He had used a knife in

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this particular crime that was contained in
a wooden sheath on the left hip.

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They stated it was homemade with a
hardwood handle with two brass rivets and one

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inch cotton tape wrapped around the handle. The blade again was thin three quarters

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to an inch sharpened on both sides, approximately nine to twelve inches long.

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He claimed combat style or we get
this whole idea of a bayonet, which

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they've tried to, you know,
portray to everybody, But clearly the description

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of this knife does not describe a
bayonet. Would you think? No,

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I mean to me, A yeah, yeah, yeah, and probably all

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black. I mean, I just
I feel like bayonets are not like these

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sparkly shiny colors, at least in
my mind. He also had a black

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cloth hooded ceremonial style mask that was
square on top and came down to the

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shoulders and over the chest almost to
the waist, with a son zodiac symbol

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at about the chest. Now,
like the techs Arcana fan, there was

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a hood evidently involved, So there's
that cross connection there. Maybe that's what

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he was attempting to tie it into. Terry b had made a comment that

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the fact that he didn't kill Brian
Hartnell was probably preplanned in order that in

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order to be able to promote the
fear behind the mask, which I'm kind

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of leaning towards and agreeing with almost
because Hartnell says that the only way he

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stopped stabbing him was that he played
dead. Well, even if you laid

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there as still as you could be, you're still going to be breathing.

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Why did the Zodiac allow him to
continue to breathe and not finish him off.

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So maybe Terry B's right about that. Sorry, go ahead, yeah,

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I think he is. Yeah he
Brian Hartnew said he was wearing clip

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on glasses. The Zodiac wrote on
the car door calling out the other murders

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he also called in this murder.
What I did learn is that the suspect

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via had five and a half inch
treadwidth on the tires and a fifty two

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inch between the wheel span, so
this should identify some type of vehicle.

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I started to work on this and
I haven't gotten fully into it yet to

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determine what the wheelbase of this vehicle
is based on that fifty two inches,

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But they did obtain fingerprints and palm
prints at the crime scene and at the

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phone booth. Cecilia Shephard actually had
an opportunity to give her version of what

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occurred, and she stated he was
a man with a hood and his face

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was covered. He was wearing black
pants, so this is the first time

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we're hearing instead of a dark navy
boot or a black she was very very

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adamant obviously about these black pants,
and for it being a female. I

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take her thoughts on color a little
bit more serious. I'm sorry, no

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offense, no one, but typically
emails what's that I'm color blind? Well,

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and many people don't even not to
differentiate between the colors, so they

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just say dark, you know,
could have been black, could have been

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blue. She adamantly stated they were
black pants. The man asked for money,

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but he didn't take any, so
she's aware that he has made this

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claim. And my kind of guess
here at this point, him asking for

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the wallet and keys, this is
the message that is due to be relayed,

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and so maybe it isn't actually physical
evidence he's leaving at the crime scenes

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as much as he's leaving a victim
alive to tell the story of what occurred.

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He asked for wallet and keys,
but look what happens in paul Stein.

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He actually takes those two items.
So there's a connectivity there, he

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says. She says also, he
was wearing glasses with dark clip on sunglasses

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over the hood, so she's the
one that stated that he actually had glasses

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on underneath. And obviously, by
virtue that the clip on glasses would need

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something to clip onto, there would
naturally have to be glasses underneath that hood

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in order for those clip ons to
clip on. She stated he had a

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black pistol. Now we're going to
get into the witnesses impossible suspects at this

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state, because we've heard what the
victims have to say. But there was

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some extremely interesting information coming out.
A doctor R. Clifton and his sixteen

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year old son, David Lee Clifton, were at about six thirty pm north

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of the park headquarters, about eight
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Witnessed a white male five ten,
heavy build, dark trousers and a

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long sleeves, dark shirt with red
in it, nothing in his hands,

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walking north along hill area between the
beach and the road. When David cited

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him, the man turned around and
left in a southerly direction up the hill.

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This is another thing I kind of
want to track to see which direction

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in regards to the crime breed that
this man shot often And we don't know

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if he didn't just go off to
a car. Clearly if there are treadmarks

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and there is the cast being made
of tire prints at the scene, this

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man was closed by his vehicle and
was mobile and then actually showed up to

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the crime scene at Lake Bury Essa
in his own vehicle. Now, does

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this tread pattern, in this wheelbase
pattern match a Chevy Impaula or this late

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model Chevy as being indicated in regards
to this second suspect, I don't know.

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I would have thought that that would
have been something they could have sorted

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out way back then. The dean
of the three girls who witnessed this person

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in the light blue Chevy actually makes
a very interesting report, he says the

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girl. He calls the sheriff first
to say that the sheriff would like to

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should interview these girls, and he
says, between three and four thirty pm,

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two miles north of A and w
Roup your stand on Knoxville Road.

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The three gals from college were there. They witnessed a mail approximately forty years

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of age, six feet tall.
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girls in their statements all or somewhere
around twenty eight to thirty years. Why

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did the dean say forty And was
this something that should have been corrected and

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were they actually seeing jack or yeah, was it the same person? You

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don't know exactly. I mean five
ten six foot is fairly relative. Forty

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years is a huge difference. And
where does that number come up. I

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mean, I just can't see the
dean making that mistake when the other three

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girls are all reporting twenty eight to
thirty years of age. I might explain

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their description of them as well,
you see someone at the lake. Yeah,

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I'm going into that, But this
report came in first, so I'm

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going chronologically with how these reports came
in. So these one of these three

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girls are all These three girls went
to the dean of their school. The

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dean of their school then reported to
the sheriff. This is what they said.

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He was forty years of age and
six feet tall. So I don't

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know how it got changed to twenty
eight thirty unless they were trying to force

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fit that age bracket into the voice
concept that Brian Hartnell had stated that twenty

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six twenty what did he say,
twenty to thirty years of age by voice

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concepts? So were they trying to
make that information conform I don't know,

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But the dean reported forty years old. Miss Linda Lee, one of the

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first teenagers or college students, indicated
a male approximately thirty years of age,

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six feet tall, two hundred pound, stocky, builled, straight, dark

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hair, neatly combed, medium colored
skin, round face, and fairly nice

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looking. Clothing was black short sleeve
sweater shirt and dark blue slacks, so

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there is some similarities there in the
color of the clothing. The vehicle was

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a late model sky blue Chevrolet.
Tail lights were long rather than round,

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which is how they discovered it was
more of a late model nineteen sixty six

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or newer vehicle. And but they
did not report glasses, so in their

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reports I found nothing that talked about
glasses. The second college student, miss

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Joanne. She reports a male approximately
twenty eight years of age, six feet

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to six foot two, two hundred
and twenty five pounds, well built,

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black hair, possibly styled, parted
on the left, round eyes, thin

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lips, medium nose, straight eyebrows, small ears, rather nice looking.

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Again, these are not describing the
composite that we see in the presidio,

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so I tend to believe that we're
dealing with two different people here. Clothing

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his black short sleeved sweater shirt bunched
up in the front with white tshirt showing

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in the back, and dark trousers. Again, she reports the same type

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of vehicle, only she says that
it is sky blue, and she stated

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that the man walked from south to
north. Miss Linda, which is the

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second Linda in this actual sighting only
says male vehicle nineteen sixty six to nineteen

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sixty seven, light blue Chevrolet with
California plates. It's a two horsedan and

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tail lights rather long rather than round. Rear window is tinted quite dark.

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So, now, if we go
back and remember what I said about that

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blue ice blue Chevy that Nora had, not only was the rear window not

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tinted, but it was a four
door not a two door. Or maybe

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ah, I got myself confused.
Either way, it's just more proof that

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that wasn't the vehicle that was there
at the crime. At Slodiac descriptions go

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on with the four teenagers and the
paul Stein murder. They seen the suspect

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in the front seat, mid passenger
side, with the victim slumped partially over

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his lap. He appeared to be
searching his pockets, appeared to be wiping

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fingerprints from interior of the cab,
leaning over the victim to the driver's compartment.

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He exited the passenger side door and
wiped it clean of prints, and

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then went to the driver's side door
and proceeded to wipe the exterior of the

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left door area. Here he obviously
knows that he's left fingerprints behind, and

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he's clearly trying to clean up left
walking north on Cherry Street toward the presidio.

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He was described by the teenagers as
a white male adult, thirty five

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to forty five years of age,
five foot ten, one hundred and ninety

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pounds, paunchy stomach, crew cut, reddish blonde hair. So here we've

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got the reddish statement again. We've
got this blonde statement again. The clothing

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was a navy blue or black parka
type jacket, dark baggy trousers again,

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just like we heard in Lake Berriessa. Eyeglasses with plastic frames, and we

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got Jack over here actually with two
sets of clear frames. Basically, these

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ones have got a little bit of
a brown tint to them at the top,

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but definitely clear at the bottom,
so you can actually see his face.

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I think he was a little egotistical
and probably narcissistic, no doubt.

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Now SFBD actually puts out three different
descriptions in their bolo. They say white

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male, early forties, heavy build, all right, early forties. They

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went with an older age automatically,
I mean thirty five to forty five.

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They just smacked him into the forties, heavy build, crew cut, reddish

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blonde hair. On October thirteenth,
when they put out the initial composite,

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it was white male, now twenty
five to thirty years of age? What

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the heck like? You're twenty five
to thirty isn't even a match to the

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thirty five to forty that the teenager
said. But also didn't Zodiac say that

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when he does these crimes, he
kind of disguises himself absolutely. I believe

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he absolutely knows the countermeasures to make
up dying of hair, changing his glasses,

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making himself appear different, maybe even
facial apparatuses. I have no idea.

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He seems to be well with it
now. They also changed the height

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from six feet to five eight five
nine, crew cut, reddish brown hair.

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The supplementing wanted poster that comes out
on October eighteenth changes again says white

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male thirty five to forty five.
Now he's approximately five eight. He just

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keeps getting shorter in the progression,
which makes no sense because we're gonna hear

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what forecast to say, and they
say short brown hair, possibly red tint,

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heavy build. Either way, this
reddish brown theme has been coming up

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since Sherry Joe Bates clothing dark brown
trousers, navy blue or black jacket,

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dark navy blue or black Parket type
jacket, and should have met It says

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should have many blood stains on his
person, and they're correct. This is

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what I have discussed with Terry,
is that there should have been definitely some

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blood on this man as he's walking
down the presidio. Either way. In

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all three it says he's wearing eyeglasses, then it says he's wearing heavy rim

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glasses, and then it says wears
glasses. And I'm thinking to myself,

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I'm just gonna roll with the composite. The composite shows basically a clear foot

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frame. Go back, basically a
clear frame right over here in the bottom

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right hand corner. So we're gonna
roll with. It was likely that these

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and these were circus. So this
is nineteen seventy one for Jack right here.

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So we're only talking a short year
or so after. And we know

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with health insurance you can only get
your new glasses what is it once every

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two years. It may have been
even farther in between. Back then.

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The evidence that was collected at Paul
Stein's murder was a gun or well as

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ammo used nine millimeter semi automatic,
possibly in new model Browning. The ammo

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was a Winchester Western and two portions
of the victim's shirt. So, you

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guys, I finally answered this question. It does appear that he took enough

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of Paul Stein's shirt, as you
can see down here at the bottom there's

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a rather large chunk, not simply
this one thin piece that we see here

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in this letter or in this picture. We can see that there are other

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pieces to the backside of the shirt
that is missing. So the killer mailed

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one piece in with the Paul Stein
letter, and I found that he mailed

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the other one in with the bus
bomb. I believe it was so they

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get it. We do see a
second piece, and I'm glad I finally

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answered that question. There were fingerprints
found in this particular crime. It tells

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Paul Stein to drive towards Washington and
Laurel area or near Park or Presidio near

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Maple Street, but he stops at
Cherry Street and Washington. Victim's wallet,

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id and taxi keys are actually taken. So again this is where I say

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he made the statement to Brian Hartnell, I want your walleting your keys,

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but he doesn't take them. And
then in this particular case, he is

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taking extra trime at the crime scene
to rifle through paul Stein's pockets to obtain

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these things. And obviously he's reaching
over into the driver's compartment because he's probably

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taking the keys out of the ignition, would be my thought. Yeah.

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Now, and now they said the
meter was still running, so I would

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think that the car would have to
be turned on or no, maybe that

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thing runs if you're just sitting and
waiting and not running the car. Yeah,

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because once the keys are taken out, the meter should stop. M

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wow. And so I don't know
where they're two sets keys, but he

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actually he took one set, so
I don't know. Well, maybe one

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set that was in the vehicle that
kept the vehicle running in the meter running

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was for the cab, and that
that actual key isn't literally on paul Stein's

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key ring. Maybe paul Stein's key
ring that he took is a one for

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his house or a you know a
multitude of other things. I keep some

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of Mikey's separate one from the next. Yeah, it's hard, Yeah,

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officers folk, he does a report
on eleven twelve of sixty nine, saying

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suspect fitting the description of the Zodiac
Killer was walking easterly on Jackson Street and

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then turned north on Maple Street.
Did not stop because Bolo was for Negro

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mail. He was a white male, thirty five to forty five years of

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age, about five foot ten,
one hundred and eighty to two hundred pounds,

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medium to heavy build, crew cut, light colored hair, possibly grain

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in the rear. May have been
lighting that caused this effect. Dark blue

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waist length zipper type jacket, navy
or royal glue, elastic cuffs and waistband

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zipper part way up. Brown wool
pants pleaded type baggy in the rear,

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so they also commented rust brown.
He may have been wearing low cut shoes,

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not in a hurry, walked with
a shuffling, so that matches the

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lumber that Ryan Hart now stated.
Slightly bent forward with his head down.

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They guessed Welsh interest ancestry possibly and
stated that eyeglasses with plastic frames. So

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now we're back to that plastic frame
thing. We actually have it in the

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officer's own words, eyeglasses plastic frames. So some of the other consistencies that

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fall in line here for the final
summary here is that their areas of remote

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lever lanes or hangouts, the military
size ten and a half wingwalker boots are

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consistent. There's a time theme that's
occurring, and the Zodiac suspect uses the

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headlights of his car to obscure himself, his vehicle and his approach with victims

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one through four. Suspect also uses
a flashlight taped to the barrel of his

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gun. Tape becomes a theme in
a later communication. Suspect uses super X

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and Western Ammal and the victims.
He uses three different types of guns,

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a twenty two and nine mill and
a reported scene of a forty five caliber

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the nine mil Luger versus the nine
mill Browning. Browning claims by VALEOPD that

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a J. C. Higgins Model
eighty or High Standard Model one oh one

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was used and bullets were super ex
copper coated long rifle by Western just recently

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sold as early as nineteen sixty seven, and the bullet has a right hand

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twist or a clockwise twist with six
lands and grooves, which is called a

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six and six. And I wanted
to compare that to other reports to see

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if those types of things are established
in things like tech Sarcana, Eldridge and

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Hoogan, Black Dahlia, Swindles,
Edwards and Demigus. I mean, on

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down the line, the firing pin
impressions are consistent with Jack's twenty two rifle,

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which is not I believe what they
wanted to say. It was the

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J. C. Higgins and we
talked about that much early in the presentation.

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From Stephen Dooher's book. We have
fingerprints and palm prints. He walked

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with a Cheffley lober lumber. We
have the knife by gun by rope by

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fire. He did make a statement
that he was an escape from Deer Lodge

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Mountains, Montana State Prison and he
killed a guard per Gracemiss book. Now

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I want to break apart Gracemiss book
because the statement to the rescuer, mister

407
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.720
white by Heartnell was the suspect claim
he was an ex con from Colorado.

408
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:25.079
That is a very very much different
state. Obviously, Colorado and Montana don't

409
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:32.359
sound anything like. So I don't
know if gray Smith was just again fantasizing

410
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:36.279
in that part of his book,
but I know that Jack was newly separated

411
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:41.440
from his second wife, who her
father actually worked lived in Colorado and worked

412
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.359
for the prison system. Now he's
wearing a black hooded mask, cloth covering

413
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:49.599
the entire head and shoulders, coming
down almost to the suspect's waist. The

414
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:55.319
victim states on the front of a
four cornered type mask, similar to paperbag

415
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:59.279
in style, was a symbol.
The symbol described as white, approximately three

416
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:02.440
and a half inches in diameter,
with the symmetrical cross on the islets of

417
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:07.319
the mask was a pair of clip
on glasses. Zodiac Killer made phone calls,

418
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:13.799
he wrote letters. We talked about
the gloves. There's no property taken.

419
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:19.680
Even when a wallet is taken,
it's not supposedly because it's a robbery.

420
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.000
The female was stabbed in both breasts
and growing. This is kind of

421
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:28.519
a cross connection back to Sherry Joe
Bates, Black Dahlia and the lipstick killings.

422
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.400
Zodiac Killer wrote three or more letters
at one time in many of these

423
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.599
serial killings, and he wrote the
words himself, cipher and code. The

424
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:42.200
no address letter matches up with Jack, who has no address at this point

425
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:45.000
in time. He's living on a
converted bus that he's made out made into

426
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:50.599
a home. Or My assumption is
that he got this boss from his brother

427
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.039
in law and or his sister in
law and brother who had it as early

428
00:32:54.039 --> 00:33:00.240
as nineteen sixty three. Vehicles witnessed
was December nineteen sixty eight at the Lake

429
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:05.759
Herman road attack. Two raccoon hunters
witness to sixty white nineteen sixties white Chevy

430
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:08.880
and paula four door hardtop. Another
couple had a strange experience with a possible

431
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.880
Blue Valiant, and there was a
second sighting of a Chevy and paula buy

432
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.599
a sheep herder. And on fourth
of July nineteen sixty nine the no address

433
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:20.799
letter where Zodiac himself admits that a
male negro forty to forty five, shabbily

434
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.440
dressed, seeing him get into a
brown car. So I am still searching

435
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:28.160
those cars. Suspect was on his
way to Mexico. We've heard this in

436
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.440
many of the other cases. He's
having fun or a good time. He

437
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:35.920
wants to show them that this is
a theme for him. He references movies,

438
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.119
books and newspapers. He has a
theme of Jack Rabbits and Gratio marks

439
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:44.599
and a knowledge of how to conceal
the identity fingerprints DNA and as you stated,

440
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:49.839
Nolan, his identity. Now,
going back to the telephone call.

441
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.799
On October twenty second, nineteen sixty
nine, the Dumb Bar Show receives a

442
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:58.079
call from the Zodiac Killer. It
is denied that the person who calls in

443
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:06.759
is the Zodiac because Hartnell says himself
that the Zodiac's voice was wasn't a match

444
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:12.159
because it was older and deeper than
the one heard in the series. So

445
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.159
and then we hear a husky voice
is printed in the newspaper, So we're

446
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:21.320
again not talking about somebody who is
I think, as as Hartnell stated twenty

447
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.880
six to thirty years of age,
we're now talking about somebody who sounds a

448
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:29.400
bit older. It was suggested that
the caller be referred to as Sam during

449
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:34.559
the conversation, which I thought was
maybe even an interesting dig for Son of

450
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.480
Sam Murders, where he claims that
he was part of a group too.

451
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:44.440
Right, Yes, that there's a
book Ultimately Evil. It basically says that

452
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.079
Birkwoods was part of a Satanic cult
and he wasn't the only killer. There

453
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.320
were several killers in the cult,
right, And I think the Colt thing

454
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.719
is just to give it some sensationalism, but likely just a group of stupid

455
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:04.480
mad people, Doctor st What's that
they were Satan worshippers with Lincoln to other

456
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:12.400
Satan worshippers and other parts of the
United States? Gotcha? And North Dakota?

457
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.440
Oh well, I don't have anything
on North Dakota, but Los Angeles

458
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:20.519
for sure. Doctor Donald Lund was
a psychiatrist at the atascan Aero State Hospital,

459
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:25.159
so I don't find this to be
too coincidental that he was hired by

460
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:30.960
Hurst to work with Patty Hurst after
her abduction and purported mind watching. He

461
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:36.400
also had some issue with herb Kane. So the fact that Donald Lund was

462
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.599
actively a doctor I believe at the
NAPA State Hospital at the time when this

463
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:45.719
call came in is kind of an
interesting connection there. The victim thought suspect

464
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:51.119
was possibly twenty to thirty years age
by voice concept Buddy later then says much

465
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:53.599
older and deeper than the one that's
heard on the series of telephone calls.

466
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:59.119
Now this actually goes into KGOTV,
so I put some information together on that.

467
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.280
We can see that the call sign
for like a Ham radio operator.

468
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:07.320
KGO Radio's former owner is General Electric, and we know that Jack worked for

469
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:12.760
General Electric as well in nineteen sixty
two. In nineteen sixty three, they

470
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:16.159
come up actually a lot in this. They're the ones that bought the Ramsey's

471
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:21.719
business for pennies on the dollar after
he got caught up in the middle of

472
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:27.440
all the legal issues with his daughter's
death. In nineteen sixty nine, a

473
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.079
man called San Francisco Police, identifying
himself as a serial killer known as the

474
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:36.360
Zodiac, and agreed to call Dunbar
Darie Am San Francisco's live broadcast if either

475
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.920
Attorney Melbourne Bellai or f Lee Bailey, and we know how we feel about

476
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:47.559
those attorneys, right, those are
the world's attorneys. So basically the let's

477
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:52.079
see Dunbar was born in Dearborn,
Michigan. That takes us back to some

478
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:58.119
Michigan routes. He actually was working
at the radio station for Fort Riley in

479
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:04.119
Kansas. He later worked a rock
DJ at w x y Z, and

480
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:08.440
in Detroit, at WSU in New
Orleans where he was also a station manager,

481
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:13.599
and in Chicago before moving west to
work for KGO in nineteen sixty three.

482
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.400
So he came in in nineteen sixty
three to the California area, and

483
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:21.360
it says in addition to his radio
work, He also hosted a popular AM

484
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:25.880
San Francisco morning talk program on KGO
TV channel seven for many years, beginning

485
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:30.599
in nineteen sixty five. So again
we have that San Francisco connection, and

486
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:37.480
the killer chooses to call that radio
station, of all places. This is

487
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:39.320
where we get back into Jack now. So we want to hear a little

488
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:44.039
bit from him. But I'm going
to start out this conversation here with Dennis

489
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.119
is calling Jack. He says,
Hello, Jack, what is going on?

490
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.159
Jack said, just sitting here thinking
about how the hell I could get

491
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.599
to the Bitter Root Mountains. Dennis
said, I know the feeling of not

492
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.599
having a vehicle. Well, I
was calling you because I wanted to talk

493
00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:59.280
to you about something, but I
wanted to let you know that it would

494
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.559
stay just between you and I.
Jack said, well, I'm here or

495
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:06.800
here I am. Dennis said,
well, I think I have discovered something

496
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:08.760
very interesting, and I think you
know what I'm talking about, don't you?

497
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:13.320
Jack said, Yeah, I do. Dennis said, Jack, I

498
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.880
will say this much, you have
become the most interesting person I've ever met.

499
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:20.119
I won't hold any of it against
you. I'm probably the only one

500
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.239
that understands. And Jack says,
what are you going to do write a

501
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:27.599
book? Dennis. That's exactly what
I was thinking about doing. And Jack

502
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.039
says, We're going to queue up
what he says and then I will follow.

503
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:43.119
I know that that was extremely hard
to hear. Is very low.

504
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.440
I'm going to tell you what he
does say is I haven't cut anybody's throat

505
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.440
lately. I got tired of doing
it. So we're going to replay that

506
00:38:49.480 --> 00:39:00.679
audio one more time he got tired
of doing and he says such an interesting

507
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:06.440
statement. Um. Either way,
that goes on to continue with the conversation,

508
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.840
which we have already covered this back
in the beginning of the presentation.

509
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:13.000
So I'm going to let anybody else
they can pause and read this and see

510
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:19.920
how this goes down. UM.
But it's very interesting to note that,

511
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:23.480
UM that Dennis actually comes right out
and asks him if he is the zodiac,

512
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:27.760
and Jack says, let me see
what time it is, instead of

513
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.719
saying no, or you've got it
wrong, or I'm responsible for this,

514
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:35.239
let me see what time it is
is his actual um statement. So there

515
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:39.559
is let's see, there is more
conversation in which case Dennis is now trying

516
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:44.480
to talk with Jack about writing the
book. And what that would mean.

517
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:47.719
So we're going to queue up that
second audio and we're going to hear from

518
00:39:47.800 --> 00:40:05.039
Jack again. Uh, and I'm
gone, uh, which I'm saying,

519
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:10.159
I don't think it'll be long.
I feel like it'll be a long tony

520
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:17.639
years from now round yeah right right, I I anything. I don't want

521
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.119
to play anything out there that's gonna
bring your prostitution before you're going, Yeah,

522
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.239
it's not my intention, you know, I don't you know, I

523
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:30.559
didn't take myself and the answer that'll
not you know, just listen to you

524
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:38.039
closer, because I've never love something
that you know I can and uh,

525
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:46.039
they have no room if it's gonna
circumstances. Yeah right right, I'm you're

526
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:57.079
worried about it. It's uh,
anyone the people I know would right right,

527
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:07.639
I understand. Yeah. Wow,
those are some heavy statements. So

528
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:15.239
this literally sounds like somebody having a
casual conversation about, um, maybe they

529
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:22.840
stole a wallet or something. Right, are you there noting? Oh?

530
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.960
Yeah, why? I just know
it's way more. It's that he's admitting

531
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.679
the zodiac. Well I know that
that's what he's admitting, because that's the

532
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:35.000
ending of this this particular phone call. But it it like he's so nonchalant

533
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:39.960
about it, so just matter of
fact that there's no denial, there's no

534
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:45.719
um, what are you talking about
there? I mean he literally just rolls

535
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:50.239
right on along with this, as
natural as any other Sunday conversation would go

536
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:55.039
absolutely crazy. Yeah, well that
brings us into the evidence of Jack.

537
00:41:55.159 --> 00:42:00.280
Now we did see that um at
one point in time, the cleft chin

538
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:05.039
was actually removed out of the composite, which I think has kind of been

539
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:10.280
a key characteristic that was identifying obviously
Jack. We can see the cleft right

540
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:15.400
here. We can see it right
here, very large, broad wide chin.

541
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.760
The physical description on this site says
approximately five eight to five ten and

542
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.159
hight curly brown or light reddish brown
hair, worn in a crew cut,

543
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.639
wearing horn rimmed glasses, which we
can see over here. These are the

544
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:30.760
different styles of horn rim glasses.
Of course, colors can vary as well.

545
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:32.320
We have some that are full frame, we have some that are partial

546
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:38.079
frame, and Jack had actually both. He describes the same type of clothing,

547
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:44.320
a medium or slightly stocky build.
One survivor describes the zodiac as having

548
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.719
that odd gait, so of course
that's back to that lumber and the loping

549
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:52.559
walk. Jack did have per dennis
or one leg shorter than the other due

550
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:58.000
to a back injury that he had
surgery for and that caused him to walk

551
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:02.400
with that lumber or lope. So
Jack looks to have preferred light colored or

552
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:07.800
clear horn rim glasses. And this
is a picture of him at nineteen in

553
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:14.840
nineteen sixty nine at age forty one, so fitting right in line um composits

554
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.719
given by witness that included a police
officer. Now I ask everybody judge for

555
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:22.679
yourself. The composites are obviously dead
on. But Jack stats in nineteen sixty

556
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:27.119
nine was five foot ten and a
half inches two hundred and twenty five pounds

557
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:30.840
with a paunch at forty one years
of age. In nineteen seventy two.

558
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.239
We got about five minutes here.
It looks like so his shoe size is

559
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:43.880
match each other on the bottom,
match each other, but going down they

560
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:50.480
look like different people a little bit
exactly. Yeah, yes, yes,

561
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:53.000
this one is nineteen seventy three and
this one is nineteen seventy one, so

562
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:59.880
it's a two years. He's not
okay, right right, He did seem

563
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:02.480
to gained some weight by nineteen seventy
one seventy two. He was fairly heavy.

564
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.639
He looked to me to be well
heavier than two hundred and twenty five

565
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:10.360
pounds. Jack was said to have
reddish brown hair, but I've seen him

566
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:14.679
dye his hair, so it may
have been a die as well. Handwriting,

567
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.000
linguistics, and graphology supports that Jack
and the Zodiac Killer are one and

568
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:21.960
the same. Jack has lived in
all the areas discussed in these cases and

569
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:25.039
has family, and many of them
Riverside Berkeley, Alamito, San Francisco,

570
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:30.239
Santa Clara, San Jose, South
Lake Tahoe, Sacramento, Nayak, Mount

571
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.440
Okam, Roseville, Texas, Minnesota, and his mother was in Chicago,

572
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:39.320
Illinois. At one point, Jack
watched his father shoot a man in the

573
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:43.719
face over a liquor bottle when he
was a young kid during Prohibition. His

574
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.599
dad may very well have been running
liquor as a long haul truck driver as

575
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:51.079
well. Jack watched a tractor turned
over on his and pin his father,

576
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.920
and Jack walked away, not warning
anyone. His father died three days later,

577
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:58.559
and that changed Jack's life. Jack
believed he was the man of the

578
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:00.840
house, but his mother felt other
wise and Jack took to the road at

579
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:09.480
fourteen computer technology. He was highly
trained from three different militaries that he has

580
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:14.840
served during an era of codes and
ciphers. Jack was already a marksman growing

581
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.880
up on a farm as a small
game hunter watching animals die, but he

582
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.480
acquired a military qualification with the M
one carbine rifle, achieving expert status at

583
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.599
one hundred and eighty meters or two
hundred yards while he was in the Air

584
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.719
Force. Jack war sized ten and
a half would have added access to these

585
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.800
older wing walker boots or military shoes
when he was an air aircraft supply sergeant

586
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:39.599
in the US Air Force. Jack
also bootlegged liquor during the Prohibition when he

587
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.400
was a teenager and avidly traveled to
trains, making it to twenty eight states

588
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.559
in a two year period. By
this time he was seventeen years old.

589
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.760
Jack was also known to kill family
animals on a whim. Here is his

590
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:57.760
Ham radio operations. We see that
he had a license from nineteen fifty five

591
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.320
through seventy one, which encompasses those
years. As we talked about in regards

592
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:06.199
to Sherry Joe Bates and that teletype
paper that was used. There's information from

593
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:09.440
Moonlight on an underground radio in journalism
group during this time as well, that

594
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:15.440
is operating out of Mayor Island or
some type of a cryptography type get up

595
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:21.199
in Valleo. During the reign of
the Zodiac and Zach, Jack also owned

596
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:24.440
that teletype machine, which again used
in ham radio, media, government,

597
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:30.199
mob and anywhere information is needed fast. Dennis did find the Hood in the

598
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:35.599
PA system in two thousand and eight, well after Jack's passing, so to

599
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:39.199
have found this was obviously a shock
and surprise. Dew Hurston wants to liken

600
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:45.960
the Zodiac symbol is a Roccurian cross
that is actually attributed to the likes of

601
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:51.719
Freemasons Alister Crowley Cross of the Well, there's your that cult connection again,

602
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:55.320
Alister Crowley Cross of the Secret Order
of the Golden Dawn, which was adapted

603
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:59.599
by l Ron Hubbard. Which is
the scientology side of it that I want

604
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:04.559
to get into to just a little
bit. And of course we have the

605
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:08.000
hypnosis symbol that Jack used, which
is definitely consistent with the Zodiac's profile.

606
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:13.599
They did indicate that Zodiac was perversely
in love with his mother, and Jack

607
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.320
had always had a strange relationship with
his mother and Jack had his mother's first

608
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:21.639
name flow but tattooed on his right
arm beneath the heart, and Jack told

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Dennis she was the only woman worthy
of being tattooed on him. Zodiac had

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some knowledge. We're definitely how many
more do I have here? Several?

611
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All right, we're gonna have to
pick that up where I left off,

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where I'm just gonna have to go, well, somebody, I still got

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one minute, hold on one second
here. I'm gonna fly through these because

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most of the stuff I've actually talked
about. So we have the hypnosis symbol.

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People can pause and read these slides
as we go. The pilot raiser

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pen was consistent with the Paul Stein
writings. We did turn over some very

617
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used pens from Jack's belongings. That
was in eight ten with that broken knife

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from Sherry Joe Bates that we talk
about. He also Dennis also found eaton

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bond paper in Jack's story shed and
there is a letter from Charles Terrence saying

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that his father carried precut lengths of
rope shorter than three feet in his vehicle

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at all time. That we're not
long enough to tie anything down. We

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do have this again. We ruled
out the nineteen seventy two Stevens Creek,

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Ice, Blue Chevy, and Paula, but we have interesting who holds a

624
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gun to someone's head that's just absolutely
insane. Okay, I thought I could

625
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blast through it. We got through
the cars, I still need to do

626
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some work on So we're gonna come
back with our next episode and discuss what

627
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we have going on in the way
of communications that are starting to come out.

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We're going to be taking a look
at the poison pen or the dripping

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pen card and the three forty cipher. So we will see you guys next

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week. I'm sorry I had to
cut you off, Nolan, but we'll

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pick back up where we left off
on the next episode. Okay, aloud

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and so so loud.