If the HOOD fits, you can’t acquit…Zodiac Jack 101, Part 2

0:00 Oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Good morning, True Seekers and True Crime Junkies. Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Road Jack, Finding the Zodiac. I'd like to welcome Nolan Del Campo. To the show today. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. I got kind of this new view thing going on in the background here. I've moved offices, but I barely set up the podcast in a way that I could actually.

0:42 Run it today. Wow, you got more depth going on. I do. I have a much bigger office, but I obviously need to arrange boxes and put stuff away. Oh, man, it's been chaos. Whenever you move rooms or do carpet or anything like that, it's an ongoing process. It's like removing back in all over again. I like you too. But right. I mean, we're matching again. I had to open up my mouth, obviously, last Friday about, you know, the the hate mail and the hate media in regards to the up and coming elections. And I walked out to the mailbox and literally I think I could play a game of Texas Hold'em. now and this is literally this is literally just from this last week and most of it came in last friday after i did the podcast talking about it um but once again we've got we've got hate mail from the democrats.

1:50 Um josh hoover he's always running his own. Advertisement, but at least it's talking about what it is that he wants to do for us. I'll still have to get that out. Oh, Josh Hoover again, so clearly he is spending money. Oh man, here's some more Democratic hate mail. Those are the biggest gators I've ever seen. They want to make sure you don't lose them. They're going straight to the recycling bin. And then, of course, here is, who's doing this? Paid for by California Democratic Party. They're bashing Josh Hoover.

2:33 He's not wasting his money bashing them. He's actually sending out what he's going to do, and the Democrats are bashing him. And somebody really hates this woman. Amy Slavinsky's assembly candidate. And of course they claim she's taking pay raises while our educational system is failing our children. So yeah, they are really hot after her. So I keep getting a lot of things on her. Not authorized by any candidate or Evan Kiley isn't who he seems.

3:13 So again, more hate mail. I can play cards with these things, I promise. And then, of course, Proposition 40. We just started talking about this before we came on, and you were kind of letting me in on what this all means. And, of course, it says Democrats and Republicans strongly oppose Proposition 40. And why would they oppose it? Rich people would oppose it because they're arguing that it's going to spur wealthy taxpayers to leave California. It's not. And that's going to be a negligible effect. It's a one time wealth tax on billionaires to help offset the damage that the Trump policies are doing to the Obamacare situation for low and middle income people and health care.

4:06 So that's the majority of the money from Prop 40 is going to go for health care. My problem with it is it's only a one-time tax. I say, let's keep it going every year. The heck. But just because it's not a perfect bill is not a good enough reason to oppose it. And the fear of losing wealthy taxpayers. California has plenty of taxpayers. We spend money on shit we don't even need. I just saw, oh, there was a cartoon the other day about how we're spending so much money on war, missiles, tanks, planes, and the roads are still bumpy and all messed up, and the infrastructure of the country and health care is a mess.

4:59 And yet all this money is going out of the country to foment war and death. And that now we're going to spend billions of dollars to rebuild the places that we moved. Exactly. Yes. 100%. The mismanagement of the money has been put into the hands of people who are just absolutely playing their own game. State taxes aren't the big thing. Federal tax is the biggest deal. Out of most people's paychecks, you look at what the state takes, you look at what the feds take, the feds take the biggest chunk of it. And the biggest chunk of the fed money goes to the Department of Defense into making war. That's disgusting.

5:41 So basically, we're bankrolling all the military action. The taxpayers are doing it. It goes to Israel. It goes to Israel, y'all. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. I know they take 30% of my income. Anything that's a profit, they're taking 30%. It mostly goes to the feds, not to the state. I'm like you, Nolan. I agree with state tax because in your state, you can actually see where it's used at for your roads. Yeah, like you can you can visualize what it's used for. You don't you can't you don't know what they're doing with that other that money in the federal government.

6:23 The biggest chunk of federal money goes to the military. Yeah. And space exploration. Well, and that's why they want you to worship the military, and they want you to, oh, they're heroes. They're just so great. And, yeah, most of them probably are that go into it because they don't know until they get in it, and they're like, oh. We won't even so much as get a free ride into space with all the money we're giving them to explore it. Yeah. No, and they're trying to distance NASA and the military, but NASA is part of the Department of Defense. NASA and most of NASA research. And most of the missions are military oriented. Yep. Yep. 100%. Yep. It's all controlled. All right.

7:03 Yep. Well, I just went through my, like, I don't know how many I had there. I'm guessing about eight or nine of the hate media for this upcoming election. They're bombarding me with it. No one says he doesn't get any. Juan says he doesn't get any. Like, what is it? Have they chosen me? Yeah. You must be on some list. I am on the list. I got a little list of people who wouldn't be missed. Let's flip over to the presentation. We are back actually talking about the 101 pieces of evidence that I put together that I call Zodiac 101, Jack 101, and what actually makes Jack the best candidate for the Zodiac spree, or at least the letters at a minimum if part of a group and lots of other people are involved, as we suspect. I did have somebody reach out on YouTube at Frank Burnett 740 one day ago said not for nothing that hood look like crap as per the Brian Hartnell description is not close.

8:15 What what neighborhood? What? There's something about neighborhood neighborhood looking like crap. No, the hood. The hood. Oh, the hood. I thought you were saying neighborhood, but the actual hood. Yeah. It's his word solid because he says, not for nothing, that hood looked like crap. Yeah, it doesn't look like the Zodiac hood. Yeah, you're right. What's that? So he's saying it doesn't look like the actual Zodiac hood as described by Brian Harden. Correct, which is hilarious because as if he's had some personal conversations with Brian Hartnell or something and that Brian Hartnell has seen it and outwardly spoken about how it is not it.

8:59 None of this stuff has happened at all. But I did respond and I said, unless you intake evidence for the FBI, I would withhold your assessment of what the hood looked like because not only is it exactly as Hartnell described based on the police reports I read, but the FBI did not return it. So explain why if it was nothing like what Hartnell described. Not to mention, the fabric did predate the Zodiac murders per agent Chris Hopkins. So why are they keeping the hood if it looked nothing like it? Because they want to keep it under wraps. Yeah. I would love to know where that thing is right now. It's in the FBI archives somewhere, some warehouse. It's probably long destroyed, just like most of the Zodiac stuff.

9:43 Yep. Yeah, I have a sneaking suspicion they don't ever want that thing truly tested. There's tons of drawings in the books and everything else. It's pretty much well established what the hood looked like. Exactly. And one of the original. composites, which we'll show again, is identical to what this hood would look like if it was on a person's body. So, poo-poo on you, Frank Burnett. Come on, get over here. I'm again working. Well, there we go. I don't know which way my mouse is going anymore. All right. So we're back to item number 20. And that is the. 22 caliber Western Super X used in Zodiac, Edwards, Domingos, Swindles, and Texarkana Phantom.

10:35 This is exactly the type of. uh, ammunition that was spoken about by the Zodiac and a 22 seems to be, I mean, it, it's the choice of the mob gun, right? Like, I mean, it, it does the damage it needs to do. It's low, low, uh, not as, uh, loud as some other high caliber guns, but we see that in the Texarkana stuff that the three cartridge, uh, three cartridge, uh, Referred to above as specimen Q14 and Q15 are Western Super X caliber. 22 long or long rifle cartridge cases. So that goes all the way back to Texarkana.

11:19 One of the benefits of a. 22, especially at close range, is it stays. Like if you shoot somebody in the head, a lot of times the bullet will stay in the brain. And it will tumble. Yeah. Or it will stay in the body. But it will still kill. Yeah. Yeah, it will continue. That's why most of the killings are done at close range. Right. Will it stay in the neck, possibly? Potentially. It's not as much resistance in the neck. But if it stays in the body, it can stay in the neck. But it's just not enough bone matter. Yeah. Right. And the problem is that it continues to tumble around, shredding everything in its path. Um, when I was doing my concealed weapons, a class, they were indicating that the most dangerous. Now, of course, other people were like, Oh, the 45 is the most dangerous or, Oh, the 28 or blah, blah, blah.

12:10 The 22. Yeah. The 22 is one of the most dangerous. And Dennis said that the 22 is Jack's favorite weapon. Correct. And we're going to continue on about that. Right. Where did you do your class? Your weapons class? Um, Right off of Watt Avenue over there. Okay, North Highlands. In North Highlands. Okay. Yeah. Because my friend had a place, a training place out in Loomis. Oh. I might be in the market again for it soon. So the interesting part about Texarkana is that then we see– The rifling characteristics appearing on the bullet specimen C1 were found to be most similar to those appearing on bullets fired from the caliber 32 Colt automatic pistol. And this comes from the murder of the Lovers Lane couple in Florida following the Texarkana murders. So it was as if to say they went to Florida and used pretty much a similar type weapon. And at this point in time, the 32 caliber used in Texarkana Phantom and the Donya Beach murder below, which we see this picture here, which is from the time frame.

13:28 Um, so this is, oh, I, I'm like, this is 16. So it looks like I I'm, my numbers are off here because I'm in the twenties now, but Jack has this picture from the same era and it's Fort Lauderdale beach looking North, which is very close to Donya beach in the same era as the pictures when he was in Chicago, Illinois. So this would indicate that he's, you know, marking his territory as having been in Florida. Um, and of course on, on item number 20, right? Because there's nothing like that ever. Since the 60s. Yeah. So populated, thugs and all kinds. It's wild. Lauderdale is wild.

14:09 Well, this is the point in time when Jack obviously got arrested. His gun was taken. He went to the judge's house and asked the judge to take him to get his gun back because he knew that gun could be implicated in other crimes per Dennis. So that was item number 22. Yeah. Warren probably knows Lauderdale better than we do. That's right. Falling iguanas. Um, item 23, Jack hunting on Lyndon B. Johnson's ranch and received an invitation to Lyndon B. Johnson's wedding, which begs who he might have been bootlegging for. Since we know that JFK's father was also into bootlegging during that prohibition time as well. Um, Who else can afford to become a bootlegger nationwide other than mobs, syndicates, and extremely wealthy people? I mean, when you want to get right down to it, you're not just supplying your neighbors and selling to your neighbors.

15:01 You're doing it all over the place like Jack was. Alcohol is a hell of a drug. Right? Item 24, Jack is discharged from the Navy on 10-22 of 1947. 25, Jack files his discharge papers in Atoka County, Oklahoma, proximity once again to the Texarkana. So as early as 1948, he is back in that area again. And it shows that he was active Navy from 6-27-1945 to 10-22-1947. And then I think he went back into the reserves. But he's had a couple different stints that we're going to talk about that also makes him a likely candidate for this because he seems to be able to get out of his military contracts better than anybody I've ever seen. So, 26, Jack enlists in the Army on 329, 1948 in Fort Sam, Houston, Texas.

15:56 He and Lee Harvey Oswald. Lee Harvey, he got out of the military. He got out of the military easily. And then he got his citizenship. He renounced citizenship, got it back. Like, there was people behind what Jack was doing and people behind what Oswald was doing. Right. Right. So I didn't mean to interrupt. No, that's okay. Item 27, Jack was supposed to be in the service for three years per his discharge papers from October of 1947. He entered 329, 1948, which means he should not have been relieved until 3 of 1951, although he's discharged on 2-3 of 1950. So he's literally in just over a year again. It's like these one-year stints.

16:42 He can move it around. Yeah i put in their preferential treatment like the judge in the air force um during mk ultra the age no unsolved murders um are committed during this time frame so. I'm not seeing these you know um. Unsolved mysterious phantom like murders when he is off during during these times um Number 29 is February 5th of 1950 to 7 of. 1950, Jack worked for a steel company. And Dennis had mentioned that in talking with the FBI, that symbol on the Halloween card from the Zodiac murders is a symbol from a steel beam, from a steel company, from U.S.

17:28 Steel. Yeah. And that's Jack 101, too. He likes to relate back to prior experiences, prior killings, prior this, prior that. Yeah, he always lacks that connectivity. And in his mind, he probably thinks he's playing a phenomenal game, which clearly he got away with. So it must have been a great game of chess, which he does talk about. Item 30 is related to Jack's knowledge of Highway 37 through Hamilton Air Force Base. So we can see here in his records that he was in Hamilton Air Force Base. And again, he's supposed to be in the Air Force for three years. Highway 37 is on Mare Island Naval Shipyard.

18:08 Correct. And Highway 37 from Novato becomes Blood Alley during the late 60s. And the Zodiac Killer declared there would be fake accidents. So they should actually be cross-checking some of these things. accidents that were occurring on 37 which was uh it's a one it's a two-lane road one going each direction and it was highly dangerous because it was um because they're near the water it would get foggy and the visibility was very poor um but they eventually ended up putting down a center medium to prevent people from running into each other because as people were trying to cross other slow dry uh pass other slow drivers they would then run in head-on to somebody else but i wouldn't doubt that if it was called blood alley during this time that some of those accidents were the fake accidents that the zodiac was talking about it's safe.

18:57 For now but i always cut off at pedal or linkville road right after the racetrack and go. Up to through pedal luma right don't go all the way to the bottom. I used to have a dentist or an orthodontist in Novato, so I would have to travel with my dad from Napa to Novato to see that dentist. I don't know why so far away. Number 31, auto mechanics at Travis County Vocations. That really shows the car knowledge that Jack would have had in regards to Sherry Jo Bates and Kathleen Johns and these other automobiles that were manipulated in order to facilitate his deeds. 32, aircraft technical supply sergeant.

19:40 That means that he has access to all the technical supplies for anybody in the Air Force, and he's literally given wing walker shoes. which we see that those prints were found at Dominguez and Edwards, at Sherry Jo Bates, at Zodiac Lake Berryessa. As ex-military, he would always have access to any military, let me call it PX, the big store. Yeah, yeah. Another thing that we see in his report is that he is Carbine M1 expert. So... We know that the long rifle shots in Swindles, Dominguez and Edwards, the Zodiac Killer, possibly a 2004 Jenner, California couple's murder because, again, they were shot at a long distance. I'm not sure what caliber was used in theirs. I was never really able to find a lot on them. But he has the expertise that's necessary for making these shots.

20:37 I was just in Jenner. It's tiny. Is it? Yeah, it's tiny. What were you doing there? Oh, I went to play golf. Oh. My friends have never been to Goat Rock or Jenner. Oh, I love Goat Rock. Yeah, Jenner's right by Goat Rock. Okay. Number 34, Jack joins the Reserves on January 10th of 1951. He is enlisting in the Air Force Reserves for a period of three years using the address of 6049 Park Avenue, Richmond, California, back out in the Bay Area. Jack and Letha Terrence are listed with an address of 218 Cunningham Street, Highland, California during 1951 as well per Ancestry.com. I also did some crisscross lookups while I was in the Riverside area to validate that that the names could be found. And we did actually find the last name self, um, which is the last name of Lita, his first wife. Number 35, on March 2nd of 1951, Jack goes active in the Air Force. He is sent to Japan during the Korean War as a supply sergeant. This is where he met his only true love, Iko. Jack claimed to have been married under Japanese law, but of course he's married to Letha back here at home, which is very interesting. But we already know that he's constantly still in a relationship or married while climbing into the next one and even.

22:00 Attempting to get married in the next one. Jack was suddenly ripped away from Iko and he's at home approximately a year later in 1952. So again, one year in, he's boom, gone. Purduehurst, Jack is sent to Japan as part of the occupation forces. He's shacked up with a Japanese woman named Iko, whom Jack referred to as. The only woman he ever loved. This may be where. Jack found a love of amphetamines. as it was widely used during the war to help forces stay awake. Amphetamines were available over the counter until it became a controlled substance in 1968. Jack began to cook his own. He could drive long distances without rest and stay up all night during his adult life. This would account for the travel necessary to commit some of his crimes and be gone the next day. Zodiac killer psychotic behavior is also attributed to drugs via psychologists and The Tom Voight letter describing this type of behavior, you know.

23:00 Two others that used methamphetamines, Hitler and Tex Watson in the Manson Club. He was mad as fuck. The night he did the Tate murders. And I think he didn't sleep. And the next night he did, you know, he was there with both murders. He probably stayed up the whole night and then, you know, just whacked out of his mind. Right, as these people are. Item number 37, 1951 to 1952. At some point during this time, Jack lived in Riverside, California, which means he would have explicit knowledge of the newspapers, in which case they talk about the suspect knowing the difference between the one Riverside press paper versus another paper.

23:49 January 7th of 1953, he has an honorable discharge, is filed in Travis County, Texas, discharged again early. I keep calling preferential treatment here. Item number 38, Jack shows his skills at typing, which is used in Bauerdorf, Sherry Jo Bates, Albany, New York murders, and the OCCK murders, and the deer draft board letters. So we can... Bauerdorf? Is that one of the... Dahlia related murders. It was, it was, it was the first, I think it was the first series. So everybody focused in on Dahlia, black Dahlia, Elizabeth short when in reality, these murders began as early as. I think it was 1946.

24:30 So it would have been, um, while Jack was stationed in the sack, uh, San Diego area, but before he was, um, or when he came back. So it, it's, Roughly about the same time frame as his station in proximity to the San Diego area. Interesting. Number 39, Jack signed up for three years of service on January 10th of 1951, but is discharged again and working in a civilian capacity by 1952. More preferential treatment. Number 40, July 24th, 1952, Jack joins local number 529 in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Boilermakers, ironship builders, blacksmiths, and helpers as a mechanic, which shows his engineering aptitude. And that relates back to the Zodiac bus bomb. Um, number 41, Jack's sister-in-law Doris indicated that she met Charles and Jack together in Michigan in 1952.

25:25 So now we have proximity with Michigan and the OCCK. Um, she states that Jack would show up and, and he and Charles would leave for a pack of cigarettes and they would be gone for days, weeks, and months at a time. Okay. Number 42, nuclear power plants seem to be something that Jack is heavily into. We've seen the Chicago, Illinois. Now we see the Charlevoix, Michigan. Again, that proximity to OCCK. He is very familiar with these area. Also, John Bonnet Ramsey's parents had a home in Charlevoix, Michigan at the same time. So I don't know how much of a coincidence that is. Yeah, they did. That's crazy.

26:06 Yeah. Interesting coincidence. Right? Yeah. They're all just coincidences, right? This is just circumstantial evidence. Jack's sister-in-law, Doris, indicated that Jack came to Michigan in March of 1954. So two years after Charles had met his wife, Jack shows up in Michigan in March of 1954 to help Charles move her and the baby to Arkansas so that they can go reenlist in the military in San Francisco. So they basically dumped her off in Arkansas and split. And why come all the way back to San Francisco? That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And why come all the way back to San Francisco to re-enlist?

26:48 And they re-enlisted. They didn't get drafted. They re-enlisted. That was part of the bigger plan, I think. Yeah. Now, number 43, Jack has now been in all of these branches of the military. Armed Forces, Navy, Army, and Air Force. He's tried them all. And why? I mean, I would think that you would get yourself set up and... finish your term? I mean, I said, can you get a military retirement by hopping from branch to branch? Yeah, you're still in the armed forces, but it's just odd. Most people just stay in one, either the Marines, Navy, Air Force, or Army, and either they're livers or they do their term. Sometimes they re-up once, but they usually stay in one branch.

27:34 Right. Anybody I've ever known that's been in the military has certainly not hopped branches um number let's see so in april of 1954 to october of 1954 jack fails in electronics a school which is comfortable considering what this man is capable of doing working for electric and creating a system that reduces or removes water waste nuclear waste um but he failed an electronics class or did he purposely fail it. So it says by his commander that he had a lack of interest or application and preferred sea duty or other. So almost six months of the Navy's best electronics and radio training. Jack trying to get back to Japan to his beloved eco is what Dennis and Stephen Dewhurst believed. Number 44, November 6th of 1954, Jack completes 192 hours of structural firefighting school.

28:33 So now we've got by fire. We've got by gun, we've got by knife, yep, all of the things. At the Naval Supply Center, Jack is done at Treasure Island on September 28th of 1954 and October transferred to Oakland for firefighting school. Zodiac Killer claimed, like I said, he would kill his victims using fire, and we now see that Jack has learned how to fight a structural fire, which probably means he learned how to set them correctly, too. Number 45, Jack is given sea duty and sent to Atsugi, Japan on an airbase where the MKUltra program was ramping up with servicemen. We can see here one of the solves by Lauren Swearingham says, I have quit MKUltra. So these are from the Zodiac ciphers that are occurring in 68 or 69 probably thereafter. Number 46 shipped to the Naval Air Station.

29:38 It says right here on his paperwork. NOS Atsugi Japan And he's only there for one year and six days And he's just charged again. Lee Harvey Oswald was also at Atsugi He was there when Gary Powers Gary Francis Powers the U2 pilot was shot. Down I know nothing about that Yeah No. He was shot down over, I think it was over a year. Yeah, he was, U-2s were spy planes or high altitude spy planes. Oh. And he survived. Even though he was shot down, he survived. He was a prisoner, but we got him back. And later, he actually, his name crops up in the book I just finished reading on mind control and hyper persuasion. Wow.

30:21 Wow. Is that what they call it, hyper-persuasion? Yeah. Was it the chaos book? Was the chaos book known? No, it's a newer one by a Harvard professor who teaches classes on the subject. Oh, wow. Yeah. I bought it. It's a heavy, heavy book. I'm a Harvard professor. But Powers. He somehow, I think he's some sort of involved in some later effects later. Because I recognize the name. Then she has to mention it. This is the same guy who shot down into you, too. But anyway, my point was Oswald was there, too. Not when Jack was there.

31:02 Not coincidentally. Yeah. Not coincidentally. It's almost as if this is the CIA training camp. Yeah, there's secret things going on in Atsugi. Now, number 47 is some excerpts from Dennis's book that has Mikado and Zodiac references. Dennis wrote, while Jack was in the Navy, he studied electronics, Morse code, and radio. Jack and his wife were living in San Francisco with their two kids. In 1951, Jack signed on for another four-year term. During this term, Jack was stationed at several different locations. He was finally sent to Japan. While stationed in Japan, the American GIs performed the Mikado, and Jack was one of the performers. So we have that Mikado coincidence.

31:49 I never knew that, that he was in the Mikado, actually in a performance of the Mikado. Right. Because that comes up in some of the Zodiac letters. Correct. Mikado references. Again, just more coincidences. Mikado was playing at the time in San Francisco when Paul Stein was killed. Yes. Yeah, it was supposedly played at Treasure Island. While stationed in Japan and his wife still living in San Francisco with their now four children, Jack had met a Japanese woman. Jack was visiting a brothel house one night where three U.S. Marines came in. The Marines were looking for trouble. Jack asked them to leave, and one of them came at Jack with a knife. Jack was able to break one of the legs off of a bar stool and work those Marines over.

32:35 About an hour later. The military police showed up to court-martial Jack for the incident, but the Japanese people refused to let them take Jack. After the owners of the place explained what had happened, they decided against taking Jack. The owner was a woman they called Mama-san. He had a 17-year-old daughter named Iko, and she thought Jack was worthy of having her. Iko was given to Jack for his wife. They were legally married under Japanese law. Jack moved into her one-room house. Iko treated Jack like a king. Whenever Jack talked about her, it was with deep emotions. This may have been the only person in Jack's life he cared anything about. Uh, Letha Jack's wife was not happy about Jack being stationed in Japan because she had four children that she needed help with. Jack was really enjoying being married to go in the morning when Jack, uh, would get up, she would have three cups of hot tea ready for him, one for him, one for her, and one that she put on the fireplace in front of a picture. a picture of his wife and his four children. She would look at that picture every morning and say she was sorry.

33:39 One day Jack got a message. He was to be at Navy headquarters in 45 minutes. Eco was not home at the time. When Jack arrived at the base, he was told to get his things and report back to headquarters immediately. He was being sent back to the U S his wife had written. The president has had written president Johnson who gets to write the president and get their man sent home. Um, right. His wife had written President Johnson, and she said she needed Jack here to help raise his four children. Jack was sent back and was stationed at Treasure Island. He would be doing secretarial work. He did not get a chance to say goodbye to Ico. He did not want to leave but had no choice. He would spend the next couple years trying to get back to Japan. He was not having any success in getting back there. He finished his second term in the Navy and then joined the Air Force in hopes of going back to Japan.

34:29 After about a year in the Air Force, he was honorably discharged. Now being a private citizen, he attempted to get a passport, but there was very limited access for American citizens entering Japan. After years of trying to get back, he finally wrote Iko and told her that he would not be returning. Um, and he's still living in San Francisco with his wife and four children. Now we get to see all of the ham radio licenses, which means Jack understood and knew how to use the ham radio ciphering codes. All of these things play right on into it. So that's item number 48. So there's, in the Graysmith books, there's references to Treasure Island and the World's Fair back in the day. And there's also a movie, a Charlie Chan movie that takes place on Treasure Island. I'm not sure of the context, but there's like a third of a chapter in Graysmith's book on Zodiac about Treasure Island.

35:20 The High Executioner or something like that? Yeah. Is that the Mikado? Yeah. or no that's different different most dangerous. Game yeah dangerous game there's a relation to that too that's all it's all plays in but i don't i haven't read the book in years so i don't know remember the context. Well item number 49 has jack getting out of the military again early and being sent back to San Francisco where MKUltra program kicks off. Just for people who don't know, Treasure Island is an island off the coast of San Francisco. It's accessible by the Bay Bridge. Right. And they had the World's Fair there back in the day.

36:02 Well, and to double back down on the solve from swearing them is to cover once again, when it says Ira at white, um, I've quit MK ultra that this sentence makes sense. Perfect sense as a solve, because. In fact, George white and Ira Eichfeldman are the handlers for MK ultra. George white got around. He started out in New York with, with put these MK ultra safe houses up and they would spy on people and they'd use hookers and, It was crazy. And then he moved to San Francisco and he did the same thing in San Francisco. George Hunter White. Yeah, because he started out in New York, right?

36:43 Yeah, he's notorious. There's a lot of him in the book, the guy, the scientist that got murdered in New York, got thrown out the window. His name is escaping me right now, but White was involved. I know who you're talking about. Right, right, right, right. The scientist, right? Yeah. Dosed with LSD, probably without his knowledge. He was. Yes. And then. Yeah. And he became a liability because he finally understood. He saw the light through LSD that they were actually doing bad shit. He thought he was helping humankind and he wasn't. And so they killed him. Right. Yeah. Frank Olson.

37:28 There you go. Do you know what always makes me wonder, you guys? Is that why they made, like, now it's called Adderall or, like, any of those type of drugs. It makes you wonder, is that why they, like, changed it to control? You never know. I mean, that's one of the things that could be used for it. They make money out of it if it's controlled. Yeah. I think there was a larger scale. Reasoning for it. Yeah. Controlling the populace. I also want to mention that, obviously, Lauren swearing him, the only name that he could actually come to a cipher solve on was Jack Terrence, where it still made a complete sentence.

38:15 We'll get to that. Item number 50 is Jack's hypnosis symbol, which is very similar to the Zodiac symbol that we see. And, of course, plays right back into MKUltra with the whole hypnosis thing. Yes. Real quick, of course, the ultimate goal of Mind Control is behavior control. Because why control the mind if you're not going to try to control behavior? Exactly. Well, they were trying to soak people for information. I mean, socialites were involved on this. Universities, mental health, mental health places, prisons. I mean, you name it. That's why you have to go to a psychologist now to get the prescription for it.

38:57 Literally. Right. And some of the people that were experimented on were volunteers and many were not. Well, and look at this letter here, you guys. Obviously, Dennis has made his own notes on here about the reference to Mikado in Japan and the Zodiac was believed to have been in the Navy. And we see that Jack was. But this is 1955 when this letter is being written to for the hardship that he wants. And he actually is writing his name out here. Quote, J, quote, quote, W. So that's why it's so important for everybody to understand all these different aliases that Jack uses. He was literally at birth gave given the name J.W.

39:41 That's it. J.W. Terrence. And whatever derivative he used thereafter, whether it's John or Jack or. J.W. Or whatever it is, he doesn't start doing that until after he's done with the military. So all the way through the military, he's listed in all his military paperwork and everything that he does as J.W. Terrence. That's so, so funny how close it is to Jack Torrance from The Shining. Right. Last night I watched. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Number 51, Dennis was told by the FBI, I believe, that the symbol on the Halloween card as the return address was a symbol used at the U.S. Steel Company based in San Francisco, California. Jack's workplaces work into the Zodiac Communications many times. Jack also owned a battery company in Texas. Jack's workplace, again, working into the Zodiac Communications with the BAT, so we use Zodiac. In the Zodiac diagrams, he was using the reference BAT, which we see that is exactly what Jack would do in his own particular diagrams, using the sun as a battery reference or a power source.

40:49 We see, again, this is the Halloween symbol that we talked about. And the excerpt from Dennis's book says in the late 1950s, Jack landed a job at U.S. Steel Company in San Francisco. He worked on their welders. Jack obtained his license to operate ham radio around this time. You have to know Morse code and binary code to be eligible for this type of license. After a couple of years at U.S. Steel, he changed jobs and went to work for General Electric. He was multi-talented. Very multi-talented. But we're getting into some more of his talents right here. In 1962, he's a test foreman for General Electric. That means that he has bomb-making capabilities and can do diagrams because you have to be able to diagram out what it is that you're going to build.

41:33 And we see him here working on machinery for General Electric. That's a great picture. Right? Here we see him working on his teleprinter, teletype printer. And that plays into. Yeah, he always had access to technology. Always had access at early times. Um, and here he's working on his teletype machine and in the Sherry Joe Bates typed confession letter, it was a carbon copied, but they use, he used teletype paper and carbon paper to make multiple copies. Nice. Right. I mean, that, that's just, that's a huge, huge coincidence in my mind. Quite cerebral.

42:13 Right? I mean, he literally has proximity because his brother is living in Riverside, California in the 1960s. And then we see him with the teletype machine. And then the murder of Sherry Jo Bates occurs that ties right on into Zodiac and everything we're going to see in the Bay Area when Jack is in the Bay Area. Oh, yeah. Somebody. Similarities between the Bates and the Zodiac crimes, yes. I'm convinced whoever Zodiac is, even if it's not Jack, but I think Jack was part of it. But Sherry Jo Bates is one of those murders. It's a Zodiac. Absolutely. Number 54, Jack is extremely intelligent, as seen in his designing, drafting, and building of water waste removal system for General Electric Power Plant in San Jose, California. Again, relating back to the bus bomb and the Zodiac Killer. Number 55, Jack begins dating General Electric's human resource, Doris Reynolds, while married to Letha. Doris Reynolds' father is a bigwig for the prison system in Colorado. Doris claims that for no apparent reason, Jack up and quits his $ 53, 000 a year job at GE to move to Texas to put up two mobile homes for rent at the end of 1963. I do not have a precise time for this, but we do see the purchasing and mailing of the letter in regards to JFK's murder to the Dallas PD, which is bizarre.

43:36 Bought and mailed out of Lancaster and Palmdale. So that's all a trip or a route that he would take to go back to Texas. And Jack always looks different. He's a chameleon or he's a shape changer. I know. And the Zodiac says that, hey, when I do these, I don't look like I normally look. You don't normally look like anything from one picture to the next, to be honest. I mean, generally, you and I, we've seen so many pictures of him, we can say, okay, that's Jack. but to the average person, you might say that's the same person. You might say that's a different person. Yeah. 100%. Number 56, September of 1963, Doris, Doris followed Jack to Texas.

44:22 At some point, it said that Jack either attempted or did sexually abuse Doris, his daughter. And she demanded that he go into a rehabilitation program or she would leave him. Um, Unfortunately, he went into the program and she did leave him. So when he came out of the program, he found that Doris had sold all of his stuff and moved back to California. And so in September of 1966, Jack came back to California and the unsolved murders began. Jack moved to his brother's house in Riverside, California, which is where we relate that proximity to Sherry Jo Bates. Number 58, Jack has back surgery at Fort Miley VA hospital for his lower back Zodiac killer description, um, of having a lumber and the gate that he walked with. And Fort Miley has gate access to golden gate park. And so we see some unsolved murders of people in golden gate.

45:09 Park as well. Um, where's that picture taken? Uh, I think they're, I think they're camping or something. I don't know. It looks like they're sitting at a picnic bench, but, um, I think I'll go into that in a second. 1967, Jack returns to San Jose where his kids and brothers lives, finds Doris and marries her. But again, he's still married to Letha. So the married... I'm sorry. He was still married to Letha when he moved, so I don't know when Letha actually obtained their divorce. But again, you've got to remember that it's very hard to search those records because Jack is capable of getting hitched and unhitched and arrested and go to jail and bonded out on names that don't belong to him.

45:54 Technically, he's still married to Iko, too. Correct. Under Japanese law. Number 60, most gun owners would frown at this behavior, but not Jack. He's holding a shotgun. To his wife's head. And it's a joking matter. Ha, ha, ha, ha. No, she's smiling. It's funny as hell. I know. That's a great picture. Freaky. And Jack owned the types of guns the ammo found in these cases would be used in. So he had the Super X. He had the type of gun that would leave the mark and impression. Oh, here's that original composite on the hood.

46:35 Yeah, that's one of them. Yeah. That's one of the earliest ones I can find. Yeah, it's... But... So Jack was a polygamist, too, basically. Yes. Which is interesting because I'm reading. A book by John Krakauer, a famous artist, I mean, famous author, on the fundamentalist Mormons. They're polygamists. And they're also child molesters and abusers and whatnot. But that's crazy. That's creepy. Oh, we know it exists. I know all about that, Nolan. I know everything about that. Oh, my God. Like, does their Bible actually tell them that all of this is okay? I don't seem to understand.

47:18 Well, under the. Teachings of Joseph Smith, who wrote the Book of Mormon, polygamy is one of the tenets of true Mormonism. And that's why they call themselves fundamentalist Mormons, because they go by the true teachings or the original teachings of Joseph Smith, which involve polygamy. And the supreme leader of the given region would tell young girls who they would have to marry. And they'd marry at age 14 or so, and then they'd get raped. It's just a terrible, terrible situation. Am I right, Lindsay? Yes, 100%. Yep. Well, and they still do it. They're still, they still, like, you see these ones that, you know, in these documentaries, that what they do is they camp out in the woods and they're.

48:02 Secluded from the regular Mormons. So, because now it's not permitted in. The Mormon church. In the bigger Mormon church, yes. Yeah, but that's why they go out to these woods areas and they start these, like, villages of women. Yes. Yeah, they have their own little governments in these little towns somewhere in Arizona. The main ones in Arizona, ones in Canada, and a couple in Utah. But in Salt Lake City, in the main Mormon church, they frown. Well, yeah, they don't condone. Polygamy. Right. Well, I'm going to finish off with number 62, which is the first composite match. I also put up here one of the first composite drawings of the hood or the description from Brian Hartnell.

48:49 We can see how closely this absolutely matches the hood that Dennis found in the PA system. I want people to understand that in this composite, it says 5'11 up here. Now, when we look at things that Tom Voight puts out, 5'8 to 5'10 in height. No, he's 5'10 to 5'11. Yeah, 5'8 and a half to 5'11 and a half. Yeah. And look what Jack is. 5'11. Blue eyes, brown hair, 5'11, 190 pounds. And this is his military record. So this is when he was thinner, of course. Yeah. But we can see how closely he matches the composite during that time frame, and we will be definitely coming back next week to talk about the hood. You guys were doing a prerecord on Monday, 11 a.m.

49:33 My time, 2 p.m. Eastern, to pick back up where we left off and finish, hopefully, the rest of this evidence or circumstantial evidence and hard evidence that shows us that Jack is the perfect suspect. I want to thank you both. For being here. Have a wonderful weekend. Remind me in text about that on Monday. 11 a.m.? Yes. All right, you guys. Y'all take care. Peace. Thank you. Thank you.