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Oct. 2, 2026

If the HOOD fits, you can’t acquit…Zodiac Jack 101, Part 3

If the HOOD fits, you can’t acquit…Zodiac Jack 101, Part 3
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Oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh.

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Good morning, true seekers and true crime junkies.

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Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Road Jack,

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Finding the Zodiac. I'd like to welcome to the show

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Nolan Del Campo.

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Good morning, everybody.

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Good morning. How was court this morning?

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Oh, they have a new system for records. They don't

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have copiers anymore. You got to pay them 50 cents

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a page to make copies. They couldn't find my file.

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It was a waste of time, basically. I got to

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go back tomorrow.

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Are you kidding? You have to now pay instead of

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being able to look it up on the computer?

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No, instead of making your own copies with a copier

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in the records room.

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So you don't get to pull records anymore?

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You can pull records, but then you just got to

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paperclip the pages you want copied. And they make the

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copies for you at 50 cents a page.

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And what was it before? 25 cents a page?

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25 cents for the copier. Right.

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So now they've doubled in price.

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And you make your own copies, yeah.

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And they're obviously understaffed to begin with.

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Right. And they couldn't find my file. And there's a

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trial set for Thursday, so I need to see this file.

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Right. Oh, my goodness. I don't miss it. That's the

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family law courthouse?

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Yes.

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Or downtown?

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Oh, downtown's even worse. I'm trying to order files to

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do expungements, and they won't answer the phone. So I'm

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going to have to go down there in person just

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to order the files because they don't have their own files.

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So normally I can just call.

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Right, so you have to wait for them to pull

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from archives, huh?

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Yeah, it takes about a week. Oh, dear Lord.

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Why has everything got to be so complicated in the

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midst of technology? We should be able to just walk

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right in and email stuff to ourselves.

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Yeah, why isn't that an option?

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I mean, if you can go in and access computer systems,

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why wouldn't you be able to.

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to email the files to yourself.

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Right. I don't know.

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Oh, expediency. Not there. Not there.

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Anyway, excuse my language.

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Um, I had to back us up because I know

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that we were talking last week about the, um, the

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fact that Jack was personal friends, as Dennis would put

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it with, uh, president Lyndon B.

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Johnson, right?

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As far as having hunted on his ranch and then

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also had a wedding invitation to LBJ's wedding, which I

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kind of didn't put that all together when I was

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reading Dennis's book. And it talked about Jack's wife, then wife, Letha,

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writing to President Johnson to get Jack out of his

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military contract.

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Wow. Are you with me?

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Are you still?

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Are you?

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You're on a show, Nolan.

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My bad.

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So did you hear what I just said?

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Yeah, about LBJ and then getting him out of his

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military contract.

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Yes.

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And the fact that she was able to write the

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president personally to get him out of his contract.

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And, of course, I thought that was, you know, a

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little bit of... Oh, gosh.

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Where.

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How many people could literally write the president?

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Like Jack walked into the judge's house and had him

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taken back down to the jail to pick up his

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gun out of evidence. Like who gets this preferential treatment

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and who could literally write the president and get their

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husband out.

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Of military duty?

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But when you calculate in or figure in the other

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things that Dennis talked about with Jack's affiliation with LBJ,

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I mean, that just like.

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Really puts it in the mix now.

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And to know that she wrote President Johnson of all

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people kind of just adds to that list of who

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he knows and what he's a part of. Well, we

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have somebody else who has some interesting takes on what

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is involved and.

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What is going on.

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At Frank Burnett, 740, sent me a message on YouTube

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that says, I may be mistaken, but didn't Hartnell say

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that it did not look like the hood worn in

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the sign design. And you have to keep in mind,

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some of the agents may be using it for their

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new animal crimes unit.

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Now, I don't know.

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What the animal crimes unit means. He did follow it

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with laughing faces, so it might be a joke.

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Who knows?

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Yeah, animal crimes may be referring to serial killers.

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Who knows?

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Either way, Hartnell, to my knowledge, has never spoken to Dennis.

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I did have you, obviously, write to Hartnell, and you

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attempted attorney-to-attorney contact to see if he would listen to

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Jack's voice and look at the hood to see what

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his thoughts were, but we got no response from that.

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I don't know any knowledge of the FBI showing it

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to him either. I mean, I would have thought that

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if that was the case that Chris Hopkins would have said,

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I showed it to.

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To Hartnell, and he says it's not consistent or something

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to that effect. So where people are getting information that

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says Hartnell's looked at this could, to my knowledge, this

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has not been seen by anybody.

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How would they have that information?

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Well, I would have to believe that Hartnell knows somebody

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that if they had come across that type of information

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would have shown it to him. which would have given

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him an opportunity. I mean, this was released in 2008.

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Dennis did these pictures. Even Bart Baggett was aware of

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who Dennis Kaufman was and Jack Terrence when I entered

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in 2009. So how is it that he hasn't seen it?

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And if he has seen it, doesn't believe that it's consistent,

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then why would he not at least make that statement? Again,

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we keep looking for these items that will help clear

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Jack so we can move on, right?

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But we just can't.

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There's a lot of strange things about Hartnell. First of all,

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wouldn't you want to help solve the damn crime? You know,

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your friend and, I don't know, maybe lover, but girlfriend

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got murdered. You got stabbed. And the other thing that's weird, too,

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is I would think I would want to help, you know...

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Another attorney contacted him saying, hey, we think we have

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a good suspect. Can you tell us if we're on

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the right track or not? I'd be more than willing

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to help, but he's not. He won't even call or

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write back or anything. And the other thing is, he

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moves to Riverside. Now, he's got to know about Sherry

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Jo Bates being a victim and pretty much that everyone

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thinks Bates was a Zodiac crime. So it's odd that

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he would, knowing the Zodiac hasn't been caught, knowing he's

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killed people from Riverside, and yet he moved to Riverside.

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That would be a very, very good point. I think

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I would steer clear of any areas the Zodiac had

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killed in if I had been one of his almost victims.

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That's for sure.

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Well, he was a victim, just didn't die.

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Well, yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. I say almost victim,

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but almost murdered. Yeah.

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Well, Frank Burnett goes on to say, I would also

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look into how quickly the FBI holds on to suspect evidence.

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I know I have read and watched docs where when

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it came to org.crime or narcos types, they like to

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hold on to monetary items taken from suspect properties, including cash, etc.

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A lot of law enforcement agencies have been known to

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say stop a hunter who had shotgun, properly stowed in vehicles,

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were stopped for other things, and weapons were never returned.

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I read many stories of such from 85 up to

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the two thousands and you just ignore the request for

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such items be returned.

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Um, do you have vids of this agent.

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Statements on the fabric that said would, uh, who would

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the hood be returned to? Um, didn't the stepson who

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brought all these items, et cetera, out, pass away. Who

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gets the hood? You, I'm not trying to break balls.

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I am just a nosy type. I follow your show.

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And so my response to that was, is that Charles

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is still alive. I mean, if they don't believe Jack,

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is a suspect or that he falls short of what

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they would conclude him as the suspect, then that all

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of that, and.

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I wouldn't call it evidence.

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If it's truly not evidence, it's not consistent with the

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crimes or what was said. There was other statements by

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Chris Hopkins in regards to the stitching being this golden

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color that we see on Dennis's hood is consistent with.

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What was known about the hood.

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And not that it was a white stitching as is produced,

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and this was one of the things that was supposedly

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kept from the public so that there could not be copycats. So,

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of course, I believe that information came from Dennis himself,

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but the information about the fabric itself uh the juke

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fabric existing previous to the zodiac murders was something that

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chris hopkins did state in front of me and no

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i don't have videos of this i mean you go

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into the fbi office you're not allowed to pull out

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your phone and start videotaping anything right we do have.

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Recorded conversations with fbi agents between dennis and the fbi

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agents Right.

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And they were fully enthralled. They were very interested in

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his evidence.

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And at no point, I mean, when you think about

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those phone calls were circa 2000 to 2000.

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To 2002.

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Dennis brings me in in 2009 and we still have

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open door access.

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We can walk in and get these agents pretty much

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anytime we show up. No appointment necessary. Right.

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At least I don't recall Dennis ever having made one.

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And it was always a shock to the agent that, oh, hey, Dennis,

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I didn't know you were coming down.

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Was their office in Sacramento or San Francisco?

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It was in Sacramento originally and then moved over there

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off of Freedom in Rockland.

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Okay. Interesting.

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Yeah. Roseville, Rockland, whatever they want to call it. It's

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right there on the cusp of both.

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But it was the one over there next to American

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River College on, was that Orange.

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Orange Grove Boulevard. Yeah.

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By the sheriff's station.

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Correct.

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So going through some of Dennis's stuff, including his video

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yesterday to locate some voice recordings of Jack, I found

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the color version of the picture that we showed last

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week in regards to Jack holding a shotgun to his

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wife's head.

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And ha ha, it's funny. but it was a color version.

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I thought I would just update the presentation with, um,

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we had somebody named Michael.

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And that's the way he spells it.

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Um, He says, would it be possible for you to

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make playlists on your YouTube channel, such as with all

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of the handwriting compilations? It's very difficult to find all

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of them, and I'm having a blast with these videos.

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So I have another person who's saying it's hard to

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find these things chronologically, even though they're out there on

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many sources.

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You can look me up on BitChute.

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Well, that probably doesn't have the handwriting compilation that I

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did early on back in I want to say 2010, 2011,

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but it does have all of the videos from beginning

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to end, which I do cover the handwriting as it

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compares to all of the crime sprees we're talking about

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in video section. And I do list it as a playlist.

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So I had to actually go in there and ask

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it to chronologically order it for the date that it

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actually was placed on the internet. And now hopefully you

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will be able to find them in order. Or the

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alternative is they're still messing with my algorithm.

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Right.

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Sean C1P1N says, Jack and Larry and Post work together.

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Jack and Larry moved to Nevada at the same time. Also,

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when Jack moved to Minnesota, Larry was operating in Oakland.

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County, Detroit.

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It's all CIA ops with media and psychiatrists totally involved.

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Post ran a CIA serial killer training camp for decades.

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They have dozens of camps. Now, I don't discount the

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dozens of camps, and I haven't done a deep dive.

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Into Post at all.

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But I didn't note or didn't see anything, especially when

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he was all the hype for the men that he was,

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that they indicated he ran a CIA serial killer training camp.

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But you must have to go to somebody's message board

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to pick up on this stuff, I'm assuming.

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I don't know how they have that information.

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I'm not familiar with Post.

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Gary, I think his name was, we covered him when

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he came out as a suspect for a hot minute.

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The things I commented on.

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Were that he did not wear glasses, not in any

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of his pictures, all the way up through his driver's

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license in his old age. So I didn't see him

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at any given point in time with glasses on. which

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really kind of erases him from the probability of the

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Lake Berryessa because you wouldn't add something extra like we've

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talked about. You're not going to wear glasses and then

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clip on glasses on top of glasses in order to.

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Commit a crime.

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If you're going to do this, you're going to want

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to do it as hands-free as possible without too many

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things that can get all screwed up and.

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Messed up in the process, I would think.

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So they really kind of declared that the Zodiac Killer

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required glasses since the composites were seen with it, the

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Lake Berryessa hood was seen with.

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It, including clip-ons.

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But again, I do have to go back to if

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this is CIA, they learned to look completely different, as

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you noted last week about Jack in every single one

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of his pictures.

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Yes.

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Sean C1P1N again says, I was there.

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Where do you think he got the money to train

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dozens of young serial killers over decades? There are dozens

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of these camps all over the country. I'm thinking he

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was saying he was at one of these camps.

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Wow. Crazy.

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Right?

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And of course, I'm not going to override something he

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may personally know if it's true, in fact, that he's

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been at one of these camps, because that is not

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within my purview or my knowledge. It's nothing I found

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in any of Jack's stuff. I only surmise that Jack

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is a government program based on the capability of getting

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away with what he did, never being convicted or married

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or divorced under the right name. There's so many things

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that make you go... That would never happen to me.

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I'd never get that lucky. If I commit a crime,

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I'm going in as Nanette Bartell, just like it's spelled.

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So that brings us back to where we left off

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last week, and I also wanted to pick up and

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add to that. One of the items that they did

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in the physical description was to say that survivor Brian

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Hartnell describes the Zodiac's voice as slow and measured and having.

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A unique sound and cadence with a monotone.

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So I wanted to play an excerpt from Dennis's documentaries that.

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We played a few weeks ago where we get to

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hear Jack speak. Well, you guys can't always go back.

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And look, I suppose, at Dennis Kaufman's... but of course

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that means that I don't have it on record here.

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I'll see what we can do about that at a

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later date, but you will notice or take, but when

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you are listening to Jack speak, that he is extremely monotone.

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He doesn't have excitable moments. He doesn't have high pitch,

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low pitch. Yeah.

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He's kind of low key. His voice is also on

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the Aphrodite Jones cable program.

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Yes, they do.

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He interviews him and asks him, And he says he's

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killed more than 100 people.

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Oh, which one was that?

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That was on the Aphrodite Jones show that you were on.

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There's so many things I've forgotten. I know I need

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to go back and review that.

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Yeah, Jack is on that. He films an interview with

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Jack on that show. Yes.

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And I remember him saying things like, um, many of

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the things I did, they.

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Don't have proof up.

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Um, and that most of the really bad stuff happened

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before he even went into the military. So I'm wondering

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how much more. I mean, we know there's Texarkana. We

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know there's some L.A. activity with Bowerdorf. We know that there.

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Is the lipstick killings in Chicago, Illinois.

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So there are some pretty horrendous things that were either

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pinned on the wrong person or just went completely unsolved there.

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And we know that Jack has also admitted to that

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there were people who were taken down.

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For the jobs he's done. Either way, moving on with

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our items, and that was going to be 62. I

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was going to include Jack's voice with the first composite match.

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Maybe we can get that played next week.

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But moving forward, we have a secondary composite match, which

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is the Sonoma County composite that we see that was

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done in 1975. What's interesting is that Dennis shows this

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on his video, but.

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States that he almost makes it look as.

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Though the Zodiac was done, disappeared, and gone by 1974

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by his own words. And in reality, we see Sonoma

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County coming up with this composite in 1975.

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Who did they do this composite with?

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Take note to the lowered left eye that we see

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here in both of them. Very, very consistent with what

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we're looking at as Jack. And this is a picture

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of Jack in 1973. It's as close as you can get.

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And then a journalist update.

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It's crazy, yeah.

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It's very crazy. I mean, I well, I shouldn't say

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it's crazy. It's not even coincidental. I match the handwriting.

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So how is it that the composites are so similar

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to to Jack? And of course, this is long before

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they know this is 25 years before Dennis introduces Jack

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as a suspect. So item 64, Jack and Doris moves

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to Nyack, California, where Jack is working as a tow

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truck driver, miles from where Donna Lass' skull is found.

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And I mean, like, seven miles.

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Yeah, not at all. Yep.

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In the world of coincidences with my mom being scammed

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by somebody I think that was within what she would

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refer to as familial people, the money that she was

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sending supposedly to the scammer who claims to love her

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was being sent six miles from this other girl's house.

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And her name is a version of the name that

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my mom was sending the money to. But my mom

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highly disagrees with me that she is sending it to

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the very same person I believe she's sending it to.

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But again, there's no coincidences. Right. Late 1968, Doris leaves.

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Jack says he killed the family animals and her son

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walked in on Jack trying to smother her with a pillow.

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Well, this is a personal conversation I had with her. Wow. Yeah.

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Actually, the first time I called her and told her

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what I wanted to talk about, she got so skeeved out.

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She hopped off the phone, didn't want to talk to me.

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When I called her back the second time, she literally

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was like, are you sure Jack's dead?

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I'm like, well, as far as I know. he supposedly

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pulled his own breathing tube. And there was a whole

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lot of things that went on and was involved with that.

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So she finally opened up and she told me that

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he would kill the family animals. This is this. This

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is serial killer 101.

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And he's doing it as an adult. So it's likely

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he did it as a kid as well. Also, she

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remembers Jack walking her in the middle of the night

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into the woods by gunpoint with a shovel, telling her

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she is to dig her own grave.

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That's pretty scary. 1968 to 1969, number 66.

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Jack is living in a converted school bus that his

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sister and husband owned. I'm showing you the article once

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again here. This article we cover in the presentation. And

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this article was from 1963. Jack's brother-in-law and his.

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And I think one of his brothers were involved with

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it and Jack had to basically, somebody had to come

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save him. So they basically converted it into a gambling bus,

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took it up the Hill and then his brother-in-law. And

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I believe one of his brothers had planned on, um,

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holding up the people on the bus and robbing their

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money from them. So this article covers all of this

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that I'm talking about. So crap shooters get jump on

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the gunman basically. Um, And so Jack has kept this

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article for all.

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These years, from 1963 on.

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There's another one of those, you know, pieces of history

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that helped him to remember the school bus that he

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lived on. So the Zodiac Killer claiming there is a

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bus bomb, Jack is that bomb. And no address really

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meant no address because he was actually living in a

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converted bus at this point. This could explain the caves

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in the rest area at Lake Herman Road within view

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of the Lake Herman crimes. Item number 67, Jack, the

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Air Force Technical Supply Sergeant. Zodiacs claim to have concealed

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his fingerprints using airplane cement. We talked about the wing

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lock or boots. There was definitely plenty of indications that

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this person was trained by the military to some degree.

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Number 68, at some point in the late 60s, Jack's

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nephew Gary indicates that Jack ran over a black man

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in Oakland and got.

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Away with it because he claimed self-defense.

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While I was actually looking at the video from Dennis,

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it also brought back to mind Jack also stabbing another

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man on Gary's memory. And then, sorry, Mary's husband had

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also discussed or talked about how how Jack and his

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biological son, Denny, had set ablaze a man in a cabin.

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And I do believe that in my research, I've found

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that individual. So there is that unsolved murder there as

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well of a man that had died in a cabin

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on fire in an.

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Area or proximity to where Jack was.

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Number 70 was Lana works for the Sahara Casino, where

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Donna last worked before she went missing. And of course,

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we just heard about the post where supposedly Post, of

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all things, also moved to South Lake Tahoe at the

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same time. Number 71, 1970 to 1971, Jack moves to

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and starts work at South Lake Tahoe Linen Company. However,

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he keeps his home on Doburn Way in San Jose

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that has a film lab in the basement. I want

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to say he didn't finally sell that, Dennis said, until 1972.

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And that brings me back to the Donna Lass and

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negatives of the old pictures found of Black Dahlia and

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Jack's belongings, the ability to reprint prints, film or record

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and reprint pictures from a, an earlier timeframe, which you

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can see in the actual print itself, the progression or

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chronological order of the, um, photo, uh, paper that was

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being used and the formatting of those.

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Those, those black Dahlia pictures are creepy.

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Very creepy.

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I remember Dennis brought them over to your house and we,

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we looked at them together and.

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There's definitely something going on there. I mean, when I

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look at it, I see somebody in pure shock. I've

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had other people tell me they didn't see anything that

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we talked about. I want to say even Chris Hopkins

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was like, ah, I don't see what you guys see.

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I'm like, oh my gosh, are you kidding me? I mean, no.

468
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:20.140
Even where the cut on the mouth lines up in

469
00:24:20.180 --> 00:24:22.680
this thing where it appears as though that mouth is

470
00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:24.009
completely missing.

471
00:24:24.150 --> 00:24:26.829
And that's probably due to the fact that that 110

472
00:24:26.829 --> 00:24:30.089
film that took a pictures of those earlier pictures was

473
00:24:30.190 --> 00:24:33.910
kept in that metal box inside storage sheds. And we

474
00:24:33.950 --> 00:24:36.390
know that negatives should not be stored like that or

475
00:24:36.430 --> 00:24:37.380
they will go bad.

476
00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:38.920
Yeah.

477
00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:45.089
72, item 72. 1971, Jack meets Nora, Dennis' mother, and

478
00:24:45.170 --> 00:24:49.170
upon that meeting, Dennis smacked Jack's hand off his mom's.

479
00:24:49.789 --> 00:24:52.250
Jack then takes Dennis into the bedroom and told him

480
00:24:52.269 --> 00:24:54.390
that he didn't like being here any more than.

481
00:24:54.309 --> 00:24:56.109
Dennis did, but he has to be.

482
00:24:56.430 --> 00:25:00.160
That's that saying of had to die, must die, have

483
00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:03.539
to do it, have to kill you. So he's forced

484
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.940
to do these things in order to keep his cover

485
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:11.170
from being blown. So many killer references to having to.

486
00:25:11.309 --> 00:25:14.650
News articles to Zodiac to move away. Changes of parents

487
00:25:14.710 --> 00:25:17.890
find a family and stop killing from a concerned citizen.

488
00:25:19.069 --> 00:25:21.660
All of these things are kind of telltale signs that

489
00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:24.440
he is communicating through the newspapers.

490
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:28.980
Number 72.

491
00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.880
Number 73, Jack has a court date in San Jose

492
00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:38.039
on 3-22-1971, and the Donna Last card was postmarked March 22, 1971,

493
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:41.900
mailed from the very same area, which is Pleasanton. I

494
00:25:41.940 --> 00:25:46.809
did see that in Dennis's documentary that he literally pinpoints,

495
00:25:47.009 --> 00:25:50.349
he follows the map with a pen, and pinpoints where

496
00:25:50.390 --> 00:25:53.109
the letter was mailed out to in conjunction with where

497
00:25:53.150 --> 00:25:55.369
Jack had to be for court that day, and again,

498
00:25:55.410 --> 00:25:58.670
it's within miles of each other. Jack is placed on

499
00:25:58.710 --> 00:26:01.279
probation for one year and his guns are taken away.

500
00:26:01.779 --> 00:26:06.549
Danny Reynolds, Doris Reynolds' son, And Jack's stepson from that

501
00:26:06.589 --> 00:26:10.109
marriage goes to CYA, which is California Youth Authority, for

502
00:26:10.150 --> 00:26:14.329
three years. It's Dennis's perception that he took the rap

503
00:26:14.369 --> 00:26:17.569
for something that Jack probably would have seriously done some

504
00:26:17.609 --> 00:26:21.509
time for. And in doing so, Jack rewards that stepson

505
00:26:21.589 --> 00:26:24.630
with bringing him home from CYA back to his new

506
00:26:24.710 --> 00:26:28.000
home and family with Nora and Dennis and the girls

507
00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:29.680
in South Lake Tahoe.

508
00:26:29.779 --> 00:26:31.339
And there's evidence to support that.

509
00:26:32.740 --> 00:26:36.779
Item number 76, December of 1973, Jack and Nora go

510
00:26:36.859 --> 00:26:40.599
on a double date to the movie The Exorcist. Zodiac

511
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:44.509
Killer breaks an almost three-year silence with his Exorcist letter

512
00:26:44.589 --> 00:26:49.049
debut on January 30th of 1974. So the timing of

513
00:26:49.109 --> 00:26:52.990
letters for the Zodiac and Jack extends to the Donna

514
00:26:53.029 --> 00:26:57.509
Last 12 victim card, Anthrax letters, Voight's letters, and Tim

515
00:26:57.529 --> 00:26:58.170
Miller's letter.

516
00:26:58.809 --> 00:27:02.170
So again, following that pattern of proximity.

517
00:27:04.049 --> 00:27:08.319
Number 77, early 70s, Jack's hands are damaged from the

518
00:27:08.380 --> 00:27:11.779
wrists down. Jack claims he took off a hot radiator

519
00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:14.440
cap at work, but dentists believe Jack knew better as

520
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:18.259
an experienced mechanic. Plus, there wasn't any work comp papers

521
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:20.799
filed for this, so if he had done something like this,

522
00:27:20.940 --> 00:27:23.890
and we've seen him file several comp claims over bad back,

523
00:27:25.750 --> 00:27:28.369
Had he actually burnt his hands at work, he would have.

524
00:27:28.390 --> 00:27:30.950
Definitely filed a work comp claim.

525
00:27:31.470 --> 00:27:33.690
So I have to note that his lack of evidence

526
00:27:33.950 --> 00:27:38.410
is evidence. Dennis actually believed that he soaked his hands

527
00:27:38.470 --> 00:27:41.970
in acid because of a new release of possible fingerprints

528
00:27:42.029 --> 00:27:44.730
in the Zodiac Killer case from Lake Berryessa Crimes and

529
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.539
the Napa phone booth. He also said that the demarcation

530
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.700
went up to his wrists. So it was as if

531
00:27:51.740 --> 00:27:54.440
he dunked his hands in something rather than having been

532
00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:57.579
intermittently splashed by something that was hot.

533
00:27:59.900 --> 00:28:00.339
Right.

534
00:28:00.380 --> 00:28:03.380
Number 79, early 70s, Jack seen Arthur Lee Allen being

535
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.089
touted as the Zodiac Killer by the media and made

536
00:28:06.130 --> 00:28:08.309
the comment, that was the nice man that gave me

537
00:28:08.349 --> 00:28:09.950
a ride home from Lake Berryessa.

538
00:28:10.609 --> 00:28:13.400
So many inclusions here to the Zodiac and D.B. Cooper.

539
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:15.660
If it were true that Alan had a plane and

540
00:28:15.740 --> 00:28:19.460
was a pilot, because Jack also made comments about having

541
00:28:19.779 --> 00:28:23.269
been taking flying lessons with a friend during that time frame.

542
00:28:23.769 --> 00:28:25.450
And then, of course, we know that there was.

543
00:28:26.849 --> 00:28:30.450
research that indicated there was a small plane that was

544
00:28:30.670 --> 00:28:34.970
actually mapping out that area during that time frame as well.

545
00:28:35.049 --> 00:28:37.710
So it could easily have been them. And then that's

546
00:28:37.769 --> 00:28:40.119
why Arthur Lee Allen is giving him that ride home

547
00:28:40.170 --> 00:28:43.559
from Lake Berryessa because that was their meeting point with

548
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.680
Allen being in Vallejo, Jack being in South Lake Tahoe,

549
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:50.799
come to Lake Berryessa, and then fly that plane out to.

550
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.740
Wherever it might be. Again, just a theory.

551
00:28:54.539 --> 00:28:58.500
Number 80, 1972, Jack sells his home on Dover and

552
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:01.660
Way in San Jose, California to finalize his move into

553
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:02.720
the Kaufman.

554
00:29:02.299 --> 00:29:08.559
Family in South Lake Tahoe. Number 81, early 70s, Jack

555
00:29:08.619 --> 00:29:11.700
purchases some acreage from Nora's grandfather, which will later be

556
00:29:11.779 --> 00:29:15.279
searched with cadaver dogs where human remains are found. He

557
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:21.779
does show that once again in his documentaries. Number 82,

558
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:22.259
one of the most.

559
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:26.000
I know, doesn't he look psycho?

560
00:29:26.819 --> 00:29:29.140
Here's Johnny. Here's Johnny.

561
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.480
But look how sickly thin he looks here.

562
00:29:32.509 --> 00:29:35.890
He looks scary. He reminds me of Jack Nicholson in

563
00:29:35.930 --> 00:29:36.410
The Shining.

564
00:29:37.009 --> 00:29:45.240
I know. Same eye. um but one of the creepier

565
00:29:45.349 --> 00:29:48.349
things that i'd ever seen anybody write down on paper

566
00:29:48.430 --> 00:29:55.109
was to um skin uh treat and tan hides.

567
00:29:55.789 --> 00:29:58.490
Some of the things that he talked about in this

568
00:29:58.569 --> 00:30:02.990
was liberal amounts of salt should be rubbed into the

569
00:30:03.069 --> 00:30:06.259
flesh side of the skin, then dried in a cool,

570
00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:12.019
airy place. Then we look over to what the Zodiac

571
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.660
had written about, and he says, I shall skin them

572
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:20.650
alive and They'll be placed in cages and fed salt

573
00:30:20.730 --> 00:30:23.650
beef until they are gorged. Then I shall listen to

574
00:30:23.670 --> 00:30:24.990
their pleas for water.

575
00:30:27.069 --> 00:30:27.410
Whoa.

576
00:30:28.049 --> 00:30:32.000
So salt being one of those key components there.

577
00:30:32.940 --> 00:30:36.539
Number 83, Jack is seen with a crazed look dancing

578
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:38.960
around proud after killing the neighbor's dogs.

579
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:40.799
This is while Dennis' family.

580
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:41.339
God.

581
00:30:42.890 --> 00:30:43.890
He's proud of himself.

582
00:30:44.589 --> 00:30:47.750
And the Zodiac Killer being described as a psychotic laugh

583
00:30:48.069 --> 00:30:51.519
in a frenzy while stabbing Cecilia Shepard, probably due to drugs.

584
00:30:52.420 --> 00:30:55.160
And I would say in both instances, this picture as well.

585
00:30:58.579 --> 00:31:00.829
Side note, I also wanted to throw in that Dennis

586
00:31:00.890 --> 00:31:03.670
has a meeting in South Lake Tahoe of all places.

587
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:06.859
Lake Tahoe, where he is met by men in black.

588
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:11.220
Suits, and they extend to him that as long as

589
00:31:11.259 --> 00:31:13.940
he sticks to the Zodiac killer stuff, that he will

590
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:17.200
be fine and safe, but if he traverses and works

591
00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:21.019
outside of that, looking at any other crimes, I'm taking it,

592
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:24.559
that there would be issues. So basically, it was either

593
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:27.700
an idle threat or a serious threat. They haven't extended

594
00:31:27.740 --> 00:31:29.960
it to me, so I'm going to pick up where

595
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:30.960
Dennis left off.

596
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:35.339
Yeah, it was a warning, basically.

597
00:31:36.619 --> 00:31:37.700
Right, right.

598
00:31:38.299 --> 00:31:41.509
And then we have the odd taking and returning of

599
00:31:41.569 --> 00:31:45.750
Jack's urn. So basically at the wake, I guess, if

600
00:31:45.789 --> 00:31:49.000
you will, the family's there. These men in black suits

601
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.539
walk in. They grab Jack's urn. They walk out the

602
00:31:51.579 --> 00:31:55.930
door without saying a word to anybody. And then somehow

603
00:31:56.009 --> 00:31:58.670
inside of a week, it is then returned back to them.

604
00:31:58.750 --> 00:32:03.009
So I don't know if this was the CIA's.

605
00:32:02.470 --> 00:32:08.509
Way of checking to confirm that it was. You know,

606
00:32:08.529 --> 00:32:10.890
I wouldn't have thought that they could, but if there

607
00:32:10.910 --> 00:32:12.970
were some bone pieces, might they still be able to

608
00:32:13.009 --> 00:32:13.589
find some.

609
00:32:13.450 --> 00:32:14.210
DNA in that?

610
00:32:14.670 --> 00:32:16.799
Who knows? I don't. I know.

611
00:32:16.970 --> 00:32:19.539
I don't either. If there's a way to validate or

612
00:32:19.579 --> 00:32:21.380
maybe they needed to have their own ceremony.

613
00:32:22.579 --> 00:32:23.880
Who knows? That's creepy.

614
00:32:24.779 --> 00:32:25.460
Very weird.

615
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:28.440
I've never heard of that ever happening before in my life,

616
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.339
but then I'm not a huge, like part of the

617
00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:38.119
CIA fam. Oh, and here was Jack actually skinning an animal.

618
00:32:38.660 --> 00:32:41.200
So of course we know that he's completely capable of

619
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.680
doing what this letter says that he would do.

620
00:32:43.539 --> 00:32:44.799
Skin them alive.

621
00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:45.509
Wow.

622
00:32:45.789 --> 00:32:51.029
That's creepy. That's Buffalo bill, right? It puts the lotion

623
00:32:51.089 --> 00:32:54.349
on the skin. laughter laughter.

624
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.190
Number 84, Jack's matching handwriting traits. Now, of course, we

625
00:33:01.230 --> 00:33:03.109
do the presentation. I'm just going to give you a

626
00:33:03.130 --> 00:33:05.589
basic summary. He has the ability to write on one

627
00:33:05.630 --> 00:33:08.859
line paper evenly and straight, just as the Zodiac does.

628
00:33:09.390 --> 00:33:10.519
The use of paper, i.e.

629
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:13.900
Margins and line spacing while writing on one line paper

630
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.619
is also consistent. Ability to write naturally in several different

631
00:33:17.660 --> 00:33:21.309
styles of handwriting. Jack has a vertical to hard right slant.

632
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.670
Jack's favorite pen is a Pilot Razorpoint felt tip pen.

633
00:33:26.019 --> 00:33:29.059
Jack creates spaces between syllables in a word, creating the

634
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:31.720
appearance that the word is broken into two or maybe

635
00:33:31.809 --> 00:33:35.690
three words. Jack also combines two or more words into

636
00:33:35.930 --> 00:33:38.650
one and uses them in writing, like wannabe or.

637
00:33:41.660 --> 00:33:44.279
The Zodiac used a few of them. What's his name?

638
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:48.880
He created one word out of what's his name? Individual

639
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:52.339
characteristic of spacing between letters and words are identical between

640
00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:55.680
these two authors. Jack proclaims he is right-handed but can

641
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:57.829
write with both and claims to have written the Channel

642
00:33:57.829 --> 00:34:03.450
9 newsletter, 5-8-1974, with his left hand. Addressing sequences are

643
00:34:03.470 --> 00:34:08.139
identical between authors. Punctuation and linguistics are similar between both authors.

644
00:34:08.699 --> 00:34:11.079
Jack carried a ham radio license for seven to ten

645
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.519
years after returning from Atsugi, Japan, Air Force Base, where

646
00:34:14.539 --> 00:34:16.929
the main job for the military personnel was to man

647
00:34:16.989 --> 00:34:21.409
a radio station with the Allies as service. Learning to

648
00:34:21.469 --> 00:34:24.530
encode with many systems, there is evidence to suggest that

649
00:34:24.809 --> 00:34:28.920
he knew this well before his service in Japan. Jack

650
00:34:28.940 --> 00:34:31.820
has a hypnosis symbol written in his own handwriting and

651
00:34:31.860 --> 00:34:35.179
has been observed using such a device during his affiliation

652
00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:39.940
with Dennis Kaufman. This hypnosis symbol resembles the crosshair symbol

653
00:34:39.980 --> 00:34:43.820
recognized as the Zodiac sign. Jack is an avid hunter

654
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:48.809
with skinning, fleshing, bisecting, and hide tanning capabilities. Jack was

655
00:34:49.050 --> 00:34:52.090
an excellent orienteer that could call out lakes in different

656
00:34:52.150 --> 00:34:55.900
states at 35,000 feet in the air, which is something D.B.

657
00:34:55.940 --> 00:34:56.519
Cooper did.

658
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:04.360
Pictures and eyewitnesses support this. Number 85, the green metal

659
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:06.929
box that belonged to Jack, which can be seen in

660
00:35:06.989 --> 00:35:12.630
Stephen Dewhurst's book and in Dennis's documentary, Statue. Stephen's book

661
00:35:12.670 --> 00:35:14.809
says Dennis took the material he got from the shed

662
00:35:14.849 --> 00:35:18.289
on Copley Drive back to Sacramento and started going through it.

663
00:35:18.690 --> 00:35:20.989
He realized that he had gotten almost all of Jack's

664
00:35:21.030 --> 00:35:24.639
personal papers going back to the 1940s and into the 1980s.

665
00:35:25.110 --> 00:35:28.010
There was also a grish green metal file box with

666
00:35:28.210 --> 00:35:29.440
very worn paint and.

667
00:35:29.389 --> 00:35:30.360
A cutting of dust.

668
00:35:31.059 --> 00:35:35.269
A psychic called in on the Zodiac case in 1971

669
00:35:35.269 --> 00:35:38.929
had predicted the existence of such a box. Dennis had

670
00:35:39.130 --> 00:35:42.650
never seen the box before. Inside, Dennis found what looked

671
00:35:42.710 --> 00:35:46.050
like a collection of souvenirs from a serial killer. Over

672
00:35:46.090 --> 00:35:49.739
the next eight years, Dennis continued to excavate materials from

673
00:35:49.780 --> 00:35:52.440
that haul, and it would be 2008 before the full

674
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.820
relevance of that material began to be understood.

675
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:57.420
So the metal file.

676
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.989
Box and the And the contained sandwich box found in

677
00:36:01.030 --> 00:36:05.929
the Flagstaff storage ship in 2001 contained among the items

678
00:36:05.989 --> 00:36:09.340
found in that file box in Flagstaff was a small

679
00:36:09.500 --> 00:36:14.360
oblong Rubbermaid sandwich box inside where were one pocket knife

680
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:19.119
with a broken tip and missing side panel equated number

681
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:24.449
86 to the Sherry Jo Bates murder. Four earrings, item 87,

682
00:36:24.449 --> 00:36:28.900
possible missing items from crimes such as the Santa Rosa

683
00:36:28.940 --> 00:36:33.679
hitchhiking murders. One set of keys with GMAC key return

684
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:40.090
tag number 212804. I related to the Chris Bush and

685
00:36:40.170 --> 00:36:43.309
his father who was a big wig for.

686
00:36:44.469 --> 00:36:47.510
GMAC, item number 88.

687
00:36:47.510 --> 00:36:51.909
Item number 89, one-shell oil key return tag, no key,

688
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:58.219
and the number 042684. Inside the green metal box was

689
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.619
one long leather thong, worn and soiled.

690
00:37:01.820 --> 00:37:04.099
I don't know what that means. I didn't see a

691
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:07.320
picture of it. Maybe we'll see. One boot-type shoelace.

692
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:08.440
Not the other one.

693
00:37:10.110 --> 00:37:11.809
Well, back then we called them thongs.

694
00:37:11.869 --> 00:37:14.630
These days with the competition of women's underwear, I get

695
00:37:14.690 --> 00:37:16.949
laughed at by the youngins because they act like.

696
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.760
They don't know what a thong is. Either way, whether

697
00:37:21.820 --> 00:37:24.579
it's a whale tail on your foot or on your butt,

698
00:37:24.860 --> 00:37:26.360
it's a whale tail. It's a thong.

699
00:37:29.550 --> 00:37:34.030
One gold coat button, woman's type, two blue pilot felt

700
00:37:34.070 --> 00:37:37.070
tip pens, similar to those used to write the Zodiac letters,

701
00:37:37.690 --> 00:37:41.059
one packet of writing paper identical to that used to

702
00:37:41.139 --> 00:37:43.579
write the Zodiac letters. So this must have been where

703
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.179
he found the Eaton Bond paper. So I don't find

704
00:37:46.219 --> 00:37:48.860
that to be a coincidence that the Eaton Bond paper

705
00:37:48.940 --> 00:37:52.070
and the Pilot Razor pens, which appears to be Zodiac's

706
00:37:52.110 --> 00:37:55.670
favorite pen, were all found contained in one box.

707
00:37:55.690 --> 00:37:58.460
It's crazy. Number 90.

708
00:37:58.440 --> 00:37:59.900
Oh, go ahead.

709
00:38:00.539 --> 00:38:03.559
Where did he find the case? What was the real-to-real

710
00:38:03.619 --> 00:38:05.659
case where he found the hood, that Dennis found the hood?

711
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:07.780
What shed was that in?

712
00:38:08.530 --> 00:38:10.510
That was some type of a PA system.

713
00:38:10.630 --> 00:38:13.210
And I'm not sure if he got that from the

714
00:38:13.550 --> 00:38:16.949
aunt in Copley, Arizona, which is one of the places

715
00:38:17.010 --> 00:38:20.349
that Jack lived at last. That might be where he

716
00:38:20.389 --> 00:38:25.449
got it, the 2003-2005 place. I believe that's when he

717
00:38:25.469 --> 00:38:30.039
was flip-flopping back around after Nora had died and he

718
00:38:30.539 --> 00:38:33.139
had moved back temporarily. At least we see on his

719
00:38:33.179 --> 00:38:35.579
Wells Fargo checks that he ordered checks with the Copley

720
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.179
address on it once again because he had been there

721
00:38:38.260 --> 00:38:41.500
previously when Nora was alive and they lived in the

722
00:38:41.579 --> 00:38:42.480
Arizona area.

723
00:38:42.500 --> 00:38:43.460
Yeah.

724
00:38:44.449 --> 00:38:46.949
So I want to say it was 2005. Dennis had

725
00:38:46.989 --> 00:38:49.889
gone to see if he could get the stuff out

726
00:38:49.929 --> 00:38:52.010
of this woman's storage shed. She wanted to get rid

727
00:38:52.050 --> 00:38:54.349
of it. And I guess Jack had owed her some money.

728
00:38:54.449 --> 00:38:56.550
So Dennis paid a little bit of money to her

729
00:38:56.630 --> 00:38:57.730
to be able to obtain.

730
00:38:57.469 --> 00:38:58.030
What he could.

731
00:38:58.489 --> 00:39:00.480
But it sounds to me like he left the majority

732
00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:02.860
of things behind because he said he couldn't take everything

733
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:03.239
with him.

734
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:05.760
He didn't know how much was there. And that's a

735
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:07.719
shame because there's probably a lot more.

736
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:08.780
Yeah, right.

737
00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:13.179
And that doesn't include the items that did get thrown

738
00:39:13.219 --> 00:39:16.800
away by another ant in Texas when Jack was out

739
00:39:16.820 --> 00:39:21.300
there in 2005. So item number 90, Zodiac's favorite pen,

740
00:39:22.010 --> 00:39:25.670
is found in Jack's box and eaten bond paper, which

741
00:39:25.730 --> 00:39:27.510
was the Zodiac stationary.

742
00:39:29.369 --> 00:39:30.719
Here's some pictures. of those items.

743
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:34.760
You get to see the different keys. So this is

744
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:38.610
the Shell oil gas station return tag. This is the

745
00:39:38.670 --> 00:39:43.030
GMC return tag. We can see this pre-cut cord. This

746
00:39:43.050 --> 00:39:47.429
is kind of something that Charles, Jack's son, stated that

747
00:39:47.449 --> 00:39:51.110
Jack carried around two to three foot length cords that

748
00:39:51.230 --> 00:39:53.050
weren't enough to tie anything down.

749
00:39:53.139 --> 00:39:55.179
So he wasn't quite sure why they were in the trunk,

750
00:39:55.219 --> 00:39:57.449
but they were. We see the earrings.

751
00:39:57.510 --> 00:40:00.389
We see the knife with the broken tip and bent blade.

752
00:40:00.769 --> 00:40:03.349
And then the pilot razor pens were found inside. All

753
00:40:03.389 --> 00:40:07.800
of this, to my knowledge, was turned over to the FBI.

754
00:40:07.969 --> 00:40:09.780
And we never even got anything back.

755
00:40:09.860 --> 00:40:12.119
I mean, I have to believe that they had either

756
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:14.699
tested or done some type of testing on the ink

757
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:18.760
found on these papers that easily have been matched to

758
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:22.199
or tested against the pen at a later time. But

759
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.420
with everything going missing and nobody sharing.

760
00:40:26.030 --> 00:40:28.800
So did Dennis take those pictures of those items?

761
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:30.380
Yes.

762
00:40:30.820 --> 00:40:32.860
Okay. So good thing he did because he's never got

763
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:36.119
the stuff back. So at least he has pictures. Right.

764
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:39.650
And these tips on these pilot razor pens were worked over.

765
00:40:39.889 --> 00:40:42.650
They were done sideways like that. The person who used them,

766
00:40:42.829 --> 00:40:45.829
use them aggressively. We have a very hard pressure. Um,

767
00:40:48.570 --> 00:40:51.070
stevens do her book goes on to say i spent

768
00:40:51.110 --> 00:40:53.360
a few minutes taking close-up pictures of some of the

769
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:56.280
physical items jack had left behind i had long been

770
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:59.039
aware of the orange rubbermaid sandwich box and what it

771
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:01.579
tamed it had creeped me out the first time i'd

772
00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:03.980
seen it and it still creeped me out it became

773
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:05.699
even worse when i realized that it was one of

774
00:41:05.739 --> 00:41:08.460
the items found in the flag of storage shed in

775
00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:13.880
2000 so now the he's saying 2000 but um That

776
00:41:13.900 --> 00:41:16.320
would sound more like the time frame. So maybe Jack

777
00:41:16.449 --> 00:41:19.070
gave him access to the 2005 one. I know Jack

778
00:41:19.210 --> 00:41:21.369
gave him access to one, the other he paid for.

779
00:41:22.469 --> 00:41:27.280
The Flagstaff connection was yet another unfathomable coincidence. I took

780
00:41:27.300 --> 00:41:30.760
the best close-ups I could of the contents. So 92

781
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:36.369
is Flagstaff, Arizona proximity, where two murdered and decapitated females were.

782
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:41.230
Found at the same time frame that Jack was scouting, moving.

783
00:41:41.349 --> 00:41:45.269
And in fact, when he moved Flagstaff, Arizona, he was

784
00:41:45.309 --> 00:41:48.630
supposed to move to another location, I believe, but ended

785
00:41:48.710 --> 00:41:51.440
up staying in Flagstaff. And the location he.

786
00:41:51.409 --> 00:41:53.159
Was supposed to move to, or at least that's what

787
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:55.539
Nora talks about in the diary, was where these females

788
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:56.179
were found dead.

789
00:41:56.809 --> 00:42:00.909
Wow. Here's a close-up of the GMAC.

790
00:42:01.050 --> 00:42:03.130
I did go on to take pictures of things that

791
00:42:03.190 --> 00:42:05.599
I could, so we can see that these are much clearer.

792
00:42:05.659 --> 00:42:08.500
This has the number on the backside and the GMAC

793
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:09.280
insignia on.

794
00:42:09.260 --> 00:42:09.920
The front side.

795
00:42:10.579 --> 00:42:13.780
So item number 23, these keys were found in Jack's belongings,

796
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:18.610
and the return-to-owner address goes to Southfield, Michigan. We see Southfield,

797
00:42:18.670 --> 00:42:21.789
Michigan become the center of the Oakland County Child Killers

798
00:42:21.869 --> 00:42:24.469
activities in 1976.

799
00:42:24.690 --> 00:42:26.630
Um, so it would be interesting.

800
00:42:27.010 --> 00:42:30.030
And then the keys themselves, they look like something that

801
00:42:30.070 --> 00:42:32.809
you would use for a post office box or a

802
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:37.539
locker at maybe a train station or a bus station

803
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:38.420
or something like that.

804
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:41.360
I mean, these, this is kind of the style of

805
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:44.159
a key that I actually currently have for my locking mailbox.

806
00:42:44.820 --> 00:42:45.599
Okay. Interesting.

807
00:42:45.619 --> 00:42:47.699
It'd be interesting if those could be marked.

808
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:47.980
Yeah.

809
00:42:48.019 --> 00:42:53.199
If those could be identified, I need a key, a key, um, expert, um,

810
00:42:56.980 --> 00:43:00.159
That brings us to item number 94, the PA system

811
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:03.110
in the hood. So we know that we've talked about

812
00:43:03.210 --> 00:43:06.250
Jack and his working the ham radio stuff.

813
00:43:06.829 --> 00:43:08.329
Jack stated that.

814
00:43:08.329 --> 00:43:13.309
This piece of equipment was very important to him. If

815
00:43:13.849 --> 00:43:16.289
Dennis was ever to get rid of it, he expected

816
00:43:16.329 --> 00:43:19.039
it to be returned to Jack, which is odd because

817
00:43:19.059 --> 00:43:21.139
he didn't want anything else in his life returned to him.

818
00:43:21.659 --> 00:43:24.059
Not his years and years and years of receipts that

819
00:43:24.099 --> 00:43:27.619
he had kept, not his... you know, other green metal

820
00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:29.920
filing box or things.

821
00:43:29.699 --> 00:43:30.420
Of that nature.

822
00:43:32.340 --> 00:43:36.429
But we can see here the makeshift hood comes right

823
00:43:36.469 --> 00:43:37.789
down to the top of the shoulders.

824
00:43:38.429 --> 00:43:39.809
We can see where it ends right here.

825
00:43:40.940 --> 00:43:44.199
That's what they're describing here in this particular composite is

826
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.300
that stops at the shoulders, continues on down the chest

827
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.639
with the zodiac symbol being in the center of the chest,

828
00:43:51.739 --> 00:43:54.760
which is very consistent as far as I'm concerned. And

829
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.110
even the square nature of it would have caused it

830
00:43:57.139 --> 00:44:03.090
to buckle as we see in the original composite. Number 96,

831
00:44:03.090 --> 00:44:07.150
Jack wears glasses. Not just any glasses, clear glasses like

832
00:44:07.170 --> 00:44:11.469
the first composite from the Presidio. He also has glasses

833
00:44:11.550 --> 00:44:17.760
that have dark....

834
00:44:15.889 --> 00:44:17.559
Oh, gosh. I don't know why I don't know.

835
00:44:18.179 --> 00:44:20.460
He looks so professional in that picture right there.

836
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:25.349
I know, and so different from any other pictures. Like,

837
00:44:25.650 --> 00:44:27.389
he looked like that once in his life.

838
00:44:28.449 --> 00:44:31.309
And where is he?

839
00:44:31.329 --> 00:44:35.300
The other one's the ham radio, but where's he there?

840
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:38.460
I'm not sure, because he obtained a couple of his

841
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:40.820
licenses in Texas, so.

842
00:44:40.659 --> 00:44:44.039
He would like operating out of Texas.

843
00:44:44.059 --> 00:44:49.889
It looks like some heavy-duty machinery or, like, Maybe it's

844
00:44:50.130 --> 00:44:52.679
IBM or maybe it's General Electric. Who knows?

845
00:44:53.940 --> 00:44:57.119
I believe he's... I thought he said this was 1971,

846
00:44:57.099 --> 00:45:01.719
this picture here that he compares to the Presidio composite.

847
00:45:01.980 --> 00:45:02.219
Yeah.

848
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:07.840
That would put him in South Idaho, I would believe.

849
00:45:10.019 --> 00:45:12.559
But in this picture, so it makes me feel like

850
00:45:12.579 --> 00:45:17.139
this picture is even earlier because then what Dennis probably

851
00:45:17.260 --> 00:45:18.480
presumed it was.

852
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:21.909
And the reason why I say that is because.

853
00:45:22.820 --> 00:45:27.599
He looks completely different in a December 71 picture with Nori.

854
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:30.980
He's got a pot belly. He's definitely looking a bit older.

855
00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:34.619
But again, he changes, I feel like, from one to

856
00:45:34.659 --> 00:45:37.929
the next. If we put his 1975 picture next to

857
00:45:37.949 --> 00:45:41.230
the last freaky, crazy picture, you'll see a completely different

858
00:45:41.269 --> 00:45:46.889
person again. Number 97 wears clear glasses like the original

859
00:45:47.030 --> 00:45:48.429
San Francisco composite.

860
00:45:48.590 --> 00:45:49.840
Already put that there.

861
00:45:50.699 --> 00:45:54.320
Number 98, Zodiac symbol was sewn in a gold-yellow thread,

862
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:57.659
and Dennis claimed that the FBI said the real color

863
00:45:57.699 --> 00:45:59.900
of the thread was that color, not what they had

864
00:45:59.980 --> 00:46:02.440
produced on the media, which was white, to protect from

865
00:46:02.500 --> 00:46:03.940
false claims and confessions.

866
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.820
Interesting. Number 99, right.

867
00:46:08.059 --> 00:46:10.639
Number 99, hood is made out of a juke fabric

868
00:46:10.820 --> 00:46:13.750
that was in existence previous to the Zodiac crime, so

869
00:46:13.789 --> 00:46:16.190
that is one way of confirming. I mean, when I'm

870
00:46:16.610 --> 00:46:20.059
looking at a letter that's supposed to be from 1970...

871
00:46:20.059 --> 00:46:24.440
I'm sorry, 1778, I expect to find it on a woven, pressed,

872
00:46:25.260 --> 00:46:29.579
manufactured paper, something we don't see these days, with a

873
00:46:30.699 --> 00:46:35.250
mark that's impressioned through the process of making that actual paper.

874
00:46:36.389 --> 00:46:37.429
If these things were missing.

875
00:46:37.469 --> 00:46:39.570
Then I could clearly state that the letter wasn't from

876
00:46:39.610 --> 00:46:41.909
the era the person thought it was from. So to

877
00:46:42.030 --> 00:46:44.510
note that it was made out of a juke fabric

878
00:46:44.570 --> 00:46:49.440
that pre-existed the Zodiac murders is another two in this hood.

879
00:46:50.750 --> 00:46:55.780
Number 100, Charles, Jack's youngest son, remembered that Jack always

880
00:46:55.900 --> 00:46:59.179
carried pre-cut white cord in two to three feet. I

881
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:01.780
already covered this, but pieces in the trunk of his

882
00:47:01.820 --> 00:47:04.380
car for some odd reason. He remembered thinking it wasn't

883
00:47:04.420 --> 00:47:07.280
big enough to tie anything down, except for people, that is.

884
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:12.309
And, of course, we've seen a lot of white cord used. Yeah, wrists, feet.

885
00:47:12.769 --> 00:47:13.090
Feets.

886
00:47:14.010 --> 00:47:19.369
Hey, where there was couples like Berryessa, technically there were feets. Yeah.

887
00:47:23.980 --> 00:47:27.500
Um 101 the timing of occurrences proximity to the areas

888
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.389
and knowledge of areas related to all crimes listed here

889
00:47:30.449 --> 00:47:36.150
such as the i-45 killer minnesota arizona michigan atlanta texarkana

890
00:47:36.269 --> 00:47:39.610
illinois and when jack was not in these areas unsolved

891
00:47:39.630 --> 00:47:42.010
murders of this kind were non-existent or at a low

892
00:47:42.050 --> 00:47:48.559
during those times while picking up wherever he went um

893
00:47:50.429 --> 00:47:53.389
Getting into, now this one just extends a little bit

894
00:47:53.429 --> 00:47:57.070
further because this is a solve versus a piece of

895
00:47:57.110 --> 00:47:58.590
evidence out of Jack's belongings.

896
00:47:58.650 --> 00:48:00.389
This was done by Lauren swearing him.

897
00:48:01.230 --> 00:48:06.050
Lauren's exactness with his solves equal to where the location

898
00:48:06.090 --> 00:48:09.190
of Donna Lass's remains would be found and in fact

899
00:48:09.269 --> 00:48:12.739
had already been found in 1984. They just didn't know

900
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.530
who to attribute the skull with. So when this man

901
00:48:15.590 --> 00:48:19.000
concludes something in his solve, either he has inside information

902
00:48:19.019 --> 00:48:21.739
himself Because he wanted to go off and write a book,

903
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.099
not support our cause. He got the information he needed

904
00:48:25.139 --> 00:48:28.090
from myself and from Harriet in regards to how Jack

905
00:48:28.150 --> 00:48:32.289
would use the ciphering system based on Dennis's recollection. And

906
00:48:32.309 --> 00:48:34.469
then he decided he wanted me to tear down all

907
00:48:34.489 --> 00:48:36.599
of his work so he could write a book, which

908
00:48:36.980 --> 00:48:39.159
that's all I find is people wanting to write books.

909
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:41.719
He stated when he first.

910
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:45.000
Contacted me that on his attempt to solve the 340

911
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.739
cipher that he found only one person's name with any

912
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:51.739
other complete sentences, and that was Jack Terrence. He did

913
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.820
not find any of the suspects' names that we are

914
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:58.940
seeing coming out on Tom Voight's board or otherwise. This

915
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.780
is actually the writing on the wall from the Lipstick

916
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:07.489
Killer case, and he used every single letter, albeit some

917
00:49:07.530 --> 00:49:10.760
of these letters were posed as letters This looks like

918
00:49:10.820 --> 00:49:14.039
an E, but it was actually a C in relation

919
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:15.699
of the word that it was put in. So one

920
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:17.369
of these would have been found in the word.

921
00:49:17.250 --> 00:49:19.719
Jack, right? But it looks like an E.

922
00:49:20.300 --> 00:49:23.860
So he him using them the way that they would

923
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:25.570
be used as perceived.

924
00:49:25.739 --> 00:49:28.489
He came up with a message. I'm Jack Terrence. I

925
00:49:28.530 --> 00:49:29.150
have slain.

926
00:49:29.170 --> 00:49:31.929
This would be Francis Brown.

927
00:49:32.590 --> 00:49:34.869
I see more of them. You'll see more of me.

928
00:49:35.929 --> 00:49:38.769
So kind of icky that he came up with a

929
00:49:38.909 --> 00:49:42.880
full sentence and might want to add and remind people

930
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:44.159
when we did the solve.

931
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:46.980
Oh my gosh, we're way over you guys. I must quit.

932
00:49:47.099 --> 00:49:47.739
I'm sorry.

933
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:51.860
I got so involved. It was time for me to

934
00:49:51.980 --> 00:49:55.510
end this session. We will be back the following Friday

935
00:49:55.590 --> 00:49:59.510
with more. I hope everybody has a wonderful weekend. Take

936
00:49:59.550 --> 00:50:00.670
care and we'll see you soon.

937
00:50:00.710 --> 00:50:01.469
Thank you, Nolan.

938
00:50:01.829 --> 00:50:13.420
Bye now. Peace. Thank you.