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Oct. 9, 2026

If the HOOD fits, you can’t acquit…Zodiac Jack 101, Part 4

If the HOOD fits, you can’t acquit…Zodiac Jack 101, Part 4
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Following the hard evidence and circumstantial evidence that builds the blueprint for one of the most prolific killers in the world, follow along with the linguistics and similarities found throughout the communications associated with these crime sprees. Remember that the Zodiac Killer was not an isolated incident with a killer showing up one day, try to kill 7 people, write to LE and the news in triplicates, to have not done this before or after ever again. He killed to get in the news. Why?

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Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

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Oh, I bet. That would have been a nice relaxing

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place to be. I did aftershock and ended up with

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the festival flu. So I feel wonderful. We'll try to

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make it. I know. I'm all excited to get. I did.

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I did.

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I did all four days.

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Yeah.

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My brother came in for loud noise. You know, the

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ground rumbles so nicely. It's like being in the vibrating bed.

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I was definitely trying to live my best life and relax.

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That's for sure.

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I wanted to go on the Friday. I think Public

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Enemy and Wu-Tang and Cypress Hill all played on Friday.

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Yeah, those were some awesome shows. I got to watch

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Donnie Elfman. Do you know who he is?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Amazing mind. Let's just say that but backup of an orchestra,

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which is absolutely insane and Found out he did did

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the music to the nightmare before Christmas and Beetlejuice Right, yeah,

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and he's like 70-something years old but dang like he's

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still rocking it nice and Um, you said you came

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across another documentary on, was it the Zodiac?

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What's that? Another document where?

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A documentary you had mentioned to me, you texted me.

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Oh no, there's one on the Unabomber.

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Oh, it's Unabomber.

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Oh, gotcha. Yeah. On Netflix.

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What did you text me about? I thought you texted

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me about a new, maybe I was wrong. Maybe I

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was saying things. I know. Let me check, too. Good morning, Lindsay. Oh,

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there's a true crime writer who believes Zodiac and Black

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Dahlia are connected.

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Yes, I need to look that up. I think his

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name is Anderson or something.

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So that's obviously nothing new to us because we have

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made that connection.

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It's just good to see out there other people that

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are coming to similar conclusions or at least seeing the similarity,

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shall we say.

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If it's the guy that I'm thinking of, he's just

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a gaslighter.

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And you can hear Lindsay a little bit.

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Yeah.

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Are you with us, Lindsay?

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Are you talking to us about the gaslighter?

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Yes.

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I'll reconnect.

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It's hard to hear her.

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She sounds like she's in the bathroom. Well, yeah, so

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needless to say, there has been many document examiners and

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other individuals who have definitely put two and two together.

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I mean, if we go back to the day and

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age when Steve Hodel was really big about pressing his

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father for the Zodiac killings, he had put the two

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and two together way back then, Black Dahlia and Zodiac.

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Problem was is that his father looks nothing like the

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Zodiac and would have been in his 70s during the

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Zodiac killings. Um, which made it a little bit, it

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made it sound, um, incredible. Like you, you, you couldn't

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believe that this is what's going on. And I think

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that a lot of what we see in the media

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is all about that telling a little bit of truth

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and then making it sound so incredulous that you, you don't,

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you don't buy it.

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Right.

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You just think it's a joke. And they've done that

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with Dennis Kaufman throughout the years playing, you know, Bigfoot, uh,

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clips following his episode airing on the CBS 13 news

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with Chris Pickle, uh, things like that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So where I part, where I part ways with hotel

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is when he tries to stretch at the Zodiac. I

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do think he was involved with Elizabeth short and the

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other murders of that era in LA. And I think

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he may have a connection to the lipstick murders in Chicago.

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Well, and if he's up in that crowd, right, the

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mobsters that are doing things illegal, so Hodel claimed his

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dad was doing illegal abortions.

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Yes, an abortion clinic. But not just mobsters, the cops

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were going to him, too. Right, right. That's why he

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was kind of protected. He knew a lot of the

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mucky mucks in the LAPD.

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Yeah.

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So, of course, they all are compelled at one point

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or another to cover up these cases. But I agree

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with that individual. More news in regards to new suspects.

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I'm not sure who's going to be pointing the finger

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at who these days. But I got a text message

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from someone stating that Bart Baggett had put on LinkedIn

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something in regards to a new suspect. So now he's

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got another suspect. that he's talking about a docuseries and

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he may or may not be on the show. Like

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that's some type of a teaser. Um, I guess when

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you ride off the coattails of media and claim the

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fame to being the greatest document examiner in the whole world,

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you're bound to be believed to some degree. But we

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can't forget that he also backed Deborah Perez. So who

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is the new one this time? Is this just another

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Tom Voight thing? You know, the pick of the week, something.

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I guess he's finally getting that docuseries that I blew up.

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Right?

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I mean, because he was supposed to be doing a

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documentary and writing a book on Deborah Perez, and when

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I came out with Dennis Kaufman and Jack Terrence, that

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pretty much all went to the wayside and never got made.

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In fact, Deborah Perez floated into the ether just like

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many other, you know, false individuals.

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So.

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We'll be keeping a lookout for that docu-series, too, to

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see what we can figure out. It didn't get any

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better this week, Nolan.

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Nolan, I missed the part where you said, what platform

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was that one on?

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Netflix.

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Netflix.

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And what was the title?

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Unibar.

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Okay.

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It's a different... I'm going to watch it this morning.

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I mean, this weekend.

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Yeah.

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Well, they all connect.

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It's a very interesting case.

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Oh, yeah, they all connect.

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There's various similarities with all these cases, and it's not

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a coincidence.

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He tried to instill fear in whole communities in that

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same Zodiac kind of way. Yeah. They use the same.

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Patterns and media and everything to persuade you. And I

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believe they looked at the Unabomber as the Zodiac as

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far as the handwriting was concerned. They went through the journals, right?

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There were a lot of journals in regards to the Unabomber. Yeah.

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Because Kaczynski was in Berkeley around the time.

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Well, I keep trying to show this, but look, you guys,

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this is from since I last appeared. i definitely think

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that i'm almost prepared to play a full full deck

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of cards um if i were to save these and

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all the rest but yeah more hate media more pick

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me more don't pick them um there's more don't pick

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them than there is pick me which is sad but

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that's okay um Some YouTube comments from Sean C1P1N. Now, Lindsay,

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you said you found this person on social media. Was

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it Twitter? You said you wondered if it was the

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same person, Sean C1P1N.

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Oh, yeah, I could never figure out if it was

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the same one.

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I think it is. I mean, obviously, the screen name

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is exactly the same. I wouldn't think that anybody else

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is out there.

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Well, it's someone that's infiltrating the Charlie Kirk case, and

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obviously he's followed me here. I don't know, but that's

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my assumption. He knows a lot of stuff of inside intel,

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and so that's where I'm thinking that if that is

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the same one. He has multiple accounts on all different platforms, so.

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Well, and so these are his comments on my YouTube channel.

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I met Dennis. Is Charlie still alive? I have a

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feeling that he knows more. Definitely his older brothers knew everything.

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I know for sure Larry did the lady in Reno.

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He had a thing for stalking women. Also, that lady

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that you interviewed, he had gone to Cleveland twice to

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scare her. I don't know who he's talking about, the

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woman that I... that I interviewed because I've interviewed a few.

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So I'm not sure if he's referring to Sandy Betts.

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There was a gal there that was also being intimidated

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by somebody she believed was in the CIA. I did

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a couple episodes on her. So I'm not sure who

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he's referring to. I wish he'd be a little more specific, but...

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He also went on to say, and of course we

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know Charlie is still alive. So this person has supposedly

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met Dennis. Now I'm really interested. Like if you know Dennis,

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how do you know Dennis and where did you meet Dennis?

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And how do you know Charlie? I mean, all of

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this is sounding extremely familiar. What's that?

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Is Charlie a stepbrother of Dennis?

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No, Charles is Jack's biological son with Dennis's mom, Nora.

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Yeah. So that would be a stepbrother, right?

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No, half, because he's half of.

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Okay, yeah, half of, yeah.

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Right.

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The youngest, the only, well, I know that the girls,

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some of the, well, I would think that the girls

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are still alive, but as far as the boys are concerned,

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Charles would be.

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The only one.

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Well, no, Denny. Denny might be alive as well. I

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don't know. I don't follow what they're up to.

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It would definitely be a good review to interview any

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of them. we could try to connect with them and

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I can try to see if I could find them.

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I'm friends with, I'm friends with Charles on Facebook and

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he said he would like to be a part of it.

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But when I've reached out to him to say, Hey,

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do you want to come on and talk? I've not

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really gotten any response from him. So I don't know

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if he's just steering clear of it or been told

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to steer clear of it. I don't know what the

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deal was. Cause early on when I started the podcast,

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he was excited. That's how we connected on Facebook and

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all the things. So I don't know. Well, Sean goes

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on to say, when I first started following you, I

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was very skeptical because every letter could be from someone

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different and none of them have to be the killer.

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But you have uncovered so many things that I know

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to be true that I am fascinated by your work.

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You and Dana Duda. I don't know who that is.

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She investigates the cult connections. It's all connected. Also, Harriet's

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work is so important. Dennis had family in Des Moines.

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This is where some key players are from. So I'm

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thinking he's talking Iowa, right? Des Moines? Yeah, yeah. And

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we know that, too. What's in Iowa? I don't know

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if we've had any connection.

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Well, we have all those cases that are unsolved.

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I don't think I have anything in the presentation for

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Iowa murders. Oh, no, I don't think you do, but

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I know of them. Okay, so then there's some activity

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there that we haven't even looked into.

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Or I haven't. Yeah.

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All right. All right. Well, that might be interesting. He

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goes on to say anyone actually trying to solve the

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Zodiac or OCCK or Sons of Sam's will be fired.

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The investigations will go nowhere and all important evidence has

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been destroyed. Charlie knows more than what he has let on.

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That's interesting that he says that because Mitzi Roberts, a

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cold case detective from LAPD that Dennis and I took

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the negatives to that we believe showed Black Dahlia, we

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gave a presentation on the handwriting to the captain and

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to her, and he sat there chomping at the bit

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like I was telling him something he'd never heard before.

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But then in the end, he, I guess, barked orders

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at her that she wasn't to touch or even look

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at this case, which brought her to tears because she thought...

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conceivably i'm a cold case detective this is my job

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we've got information here that we could you know legitimately

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investigate and she was being told no what's that yeah yeah.

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It would be a great scoop for her it'd be

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you know make a career.

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Right if she was allowed to actively investigate.

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They mentioned son of sam too Yes, they did. Because

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New York cops bungled that case too. Just like the

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other cops bungled Black Dahlia's.

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And I've been talking with Chris Clow, who wants me

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to actively look at the handwriting of Berkowitz and the

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letters and then some of the things that were written

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on his military records, which I haven't really had the

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opportunity to climb into. But she has been working the

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cult side of that and the significance of the symbols

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and things, again, trying to push that cult narrative. I

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don't know if I'm... I mean, I guess to the

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degree that government programs can create blueprint killers and to

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the degree that they can create these crisis instigation type

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situations to divert our attention to here or there, there

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shouldn't be any reason why I disbelieve that the government

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would also create cults.

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Yes, correct. There was a great Discovery Channel deal on...

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MKUltra and Brainwashing. It was on yesterday. I watched it

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in Santa Cruz in my hotel room. And the guy

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went into Sirhan Sirhan and different murders and hypnosis. He

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was big on hypnosis.

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Was it an older one?

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Because the older ones are the best ones.

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I don't know. It's a relatively young guy that used

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to work for the CIA. He's dark hair and he's

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got facial hair. and he's the one that runs it.

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He had a hypnotist on, and they did some experiments

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and hypnosis. It was kind of cool.

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Well, you know, one of the interesting parts.

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One of the things that came back to my memory

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in my mind was, especially when he says Charlie knows

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more than what he has let on. I remembered at

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one point when Charles and Crystal had either rented a

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place or they... somehow ended up down at the river

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living down at the river and i don't know if

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it was in a mobile home or on a boat

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or what the deal was but it was very shortly

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after they had moved to that location that a body

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was found um packaged up in black plastic bags in

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the river near them i thought that was just like

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How coincidental is everything surrounding these individuals having to do

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with death, such as the empty water bottle that had

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Denny's DNA on it being found at a crime scene

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where a woman was dead? The FBI says, oh, he

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could have just been driving down the freeway and hopped

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the bottle, and it just happens to land on a

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dead person. Charlie and Crystal move to the river, and boom,

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there's a dead body floating around in a plastic bag.

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And I don't know if that body was chopped up.

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I mean, I can't imagine a whole body fitting in

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a 55-gallon trash bag. But it's pretty ominous, obviously, to

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hear those kind of things. Um, Michael, the one that

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I had indicated or that had contacted me because they

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claimed that my, my videos weren't showing up in order

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and that the algorithm wasn't giving him more of what

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I've done. Um, so I went in and I, I

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corrected some things. Hopefully it fixed it. It sounds like

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it did. He said, um, thank you so very much.

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I'll be binging these. So I must've fixed it where

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he can access it and hopefully everybody else can too.

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All right. Mm-hmm. Let's get back to Zodiac Jack 101.

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Go ahead. I was just going to.

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Say that the family that's kept quiet, that's alive, is

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very interesting to me.

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I think I'm going to dive into that this weekend.

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Maybe you can tell me some stuff that I can

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research to see more about it. Maybe we can figure

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out what they know.

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What do you mean? Who and what? What are you

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talking about?

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The siblings of Dennis that are still alive.

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Oh, gotcha.

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Mary and all of them.

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Yeah.

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I think you're going to.

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Go out and come back in because both of you

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guys are breaking up. I'm going to exit and come

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back in. Okay.

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Oh, that's great.

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I hear y'all clear.

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I hear you clear, too. I heard you clear, Nolan.

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I'm not sure. Looks like he's already. Yeah, he's already

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probably checked out at this point. It looks like he's frozen. No,

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he's kind of buffering.

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All right.

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What's that?

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Can you hear me?

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Yeah. Can you hear us? Hello? Oh, he went out.

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Everyone is clear on my end.

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I guess it was on his. Yeah, me too.

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So it must have been on his end.

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All right.

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Well, we left off at the solve from Lauren swearing him.

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He did back in 1215 of 2013. And that was

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the lipstick killer's writing on the wall that said, for

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heaven's sakes, catch me before I kill more. He actually

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was able to just use a regular anagram. Yeah, anagram. No, anagram. Sorry.

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I'm losing my ciphered material in my brain at this point.

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He was basically able to rearrange the letters and make

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a statement that actually had Jack Terrence's name in it.

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He claimed that Jack Terrence was the only name in

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any of the ciphers that he could decode out in words.

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including a message, and the message from that was, I'm

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Jack Terrence, I have slain FBR, which is Francis Brown.

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I see more of them, you'll see more of me. Now,

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of course, this is the first time we're seeing, I mean,

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as early as 1945, the first time we're seeing, I

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see more of them, you'll see more of me. This

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is a theme that's going to be carried on through

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all of the communications that we are talking about. This constant,

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there's going to be more. Many document examiners... I.

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Was just going to add, real quick that around that

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time we had the Manson murders and they had writings

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on the wall in red paint too.

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Right, and there was another one in Pennsylvania. I want

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to say it was one of the Manson family members

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who was killed in a hotel. At the same time,

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a woman was stabbed in a library. This is all

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very reminiscent of Sherry Jo Bates and the Manson murders,

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but it reminded me that they were going after that

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and then perpetrated what I refer to as a Zodiac

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101 murder, which would have been the woman in the library.

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quick stab to the heart nobody knows why she's passed

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out they think that she's just collapsed or fainted and

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in reality she's bleeding out from the inside because she

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was stabbed in the heart and we see this occur

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in a couple other crimes freeze where again a man

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is walking by quick stab to the heart the girl

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drops her two friends are completely oblivious to the fact

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that the man has stabbed her and again doesn't know

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why she's collapsed but um it to me it's drawing

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that connection together um so yeah manson manson's all wrapped

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up in the middle of this too so maybe that

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oh yeah thing is.

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That's what i was just about to say the occult

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is part of.

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It what for sure if not anything else Right. And

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fancy that we just got done talking about Nolan seeing

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an author who's talking about the connection between Black Dahlia

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and Zodiac, when at the bottom of this particular slide

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I put in, many document examiners have concluded that the

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Lipstick Killer, Black Dahlias, and 1947 murder, Sherry Jo Bates' murder,

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and the Zodiac are one and the same author. And

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I find that to be true throughout all of these

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communications that we've covered. Here's another one of his songs,

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and it says, I'm Jack Torrance. Of course, it's not

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being spelled correctly, but one of the messages that he

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came up with, you in fact got nothing, and I

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get annoyed and said, you, I had died or caught. Again,

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you say, I win the games. Once again, so fucked.

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I hate you. Don't I? uh, you should die. I

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go kill you. So you see no end of me.

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So here's a continuation in the Zodiac. You'll see more

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of me and I'll see more of them kind of thing.

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So the theme seems to be going through. And of

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course we have some unarranged areas in here that did

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not yield a message, but, um, it may, maybe a secondary, um,

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system that's being used here because in some of the

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cipher code stuff that we looked at not too long ago,

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you could implore four and five different systems into one,

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making that even more complicated to decipher. Known evidence... So

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not coincidentally, Orange Jack's decode shows that the JWT monogram

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is the symbol used for the letter T in the

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340 cipher equaling Terrence. So that I also show to

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be Jack's monogram. There's a J, there's a W, there's

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a T. And there's this additional dot which could intimate

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the second or junior or anything to that particular monogram.

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um solve and they they claimed in in the doc

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documentary that orange shack did on this period 19 saw

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they claimed that the last two symbols we see here

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the jack w terence monogram with the plus sign was

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the sign off of the killer at least they claim

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that following the zodiac symbol and what appears to almost

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say zodiac in the actual cipher code itself so I

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took that to mean if he says this is the

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sign-off of the killer and likely the killer's identity, there

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isn't another suspect out there that this monogram could fit.

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Have I lost everybody? Nolan not make it back in?

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Oh, I'm here.

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Oh, okay. Another is the my name is cipher. If

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you were to plot out Jack Terrence's name, there's 13

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symbols and Jack W. Terrence is exactly that many symbols.

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And we did see a solve on that from Swingham

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as to how Jack W. Terrence would be formed. Now

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we're going to get into some of the communications and

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the cross-referencing of that information so that everybody can kind

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of take a look at all of the different pieces

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of the communications that make sense There you are Nolan

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We have just moved on and into the crossing of

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Communications and information so everyone is familiar. I'm sure with

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Jack's hypnosis symbol I'd like to remind everybody that when

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the penny turns a particular way it actually says on

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here Don't don't want to know That's scary you're asking

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your mind questions and if the penny goes the wrong way,

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you don't want to know the answers to that. I'm

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not sure what to make of that or what that

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particularly means unless it is a way of keeping the

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mind compartmentalized so that they don't access those memories and

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maybe things that they have done in the past. I

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don't know. Well, that's what.

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They do in K-Ultra.

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That's literally part of their tactics.

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Right is getting them to compartmentalize Trigger words will bring

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them out to do whatever it is that they do

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i'm assuming there's also got to be a trigger word

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to put them back into that compartment so that they

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Somehow are capable of not remembering it off the top

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of their head as an active Act that they did

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Here we can see the zodiac symbol and we see

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it from um from Zodiac. We see it in, uh, Okay,

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so the Zodiac, the Z that we saw in Sherry

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Jo Bates was written at the bottom of the three

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letters written to the press enterprise and to Joseph Bates

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and to law enforcement, where he actually wrote the Z

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at the bottom of each of those pages that was

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perceived to be a number two. But we do know

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now that they are connected crimes, that that was just

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likely the letter Z, and he was trying on his

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Zodiac feet, I think, at that particular point in time.

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We have a series of upside down crosses, the crosshair symbols.

460
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We've got the steel bean symbol in the Zodiac letters,

461
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:43.119
which we have fully explained as being a stamp on steel.

462
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:46.660
And Jack had actually worked for U.S. Steel in the

463
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:50.039
Bay Area. So we can see this all the way down,

464
00:26:51.450 --> 00:26:55.069
all the way down through the Channel 9 newsletter and

465
00:26:55.289 --> 00:26:58.490
on into the finale letter with Tim Miller. So it

466
00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:06.240
is each with each communication tying itself back. Here are

467
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:08.539
some of the punctuations that we didn't cover in the

468
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.980
handwriting examination. I kind of saved this for later. Some

469
00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:16.329
of the comparisons that I wanted to show were like

470
00:27:16.349 --> 00:27:19.049
the and sign that is used by the Zodiac killer.

471
00:27:19.109 --> 00:27:21.710
So here is all of the and signs that we see.

472
00:27:22.150 --> 00:27:26.410
Here's for the citizens. Here's for the Fairfield letters. And

473
00:27:26.549 --> 00:27:30.130
even into D.B. Cooper, when you're looking at these particular

474
00:27:30.190 --> 00:27:33.980
styles of and signs, they're all very reminiscent of one another.

475
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:40.079
In fact, some of them near identical to what Jack does,

476
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:45.819
as we see up here, completely within the range and

477
00:27:45.900 --> 00:27:52.039
realm of what Jack is doing. Let's see. I took

478
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:54.740
a look at the crossbar on the percentage symbols between

479
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:58.579
the Channel 9 newsletter and JonBenet Ramsey, found that at

480
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:03.200
least two of them were near consistent in their incline.

481
00:28:04.950 --> 00:28:07.819
And then, of course, the Dear Draft Board letters versus

482
00:28:07.900 --> 00:28:12.640
the OCCK letters. These typewritten communications use the number 8

483
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.720
as an apostrophe in their communications, and I don't think

484
00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:21.250
that that's a coincidence by any means. I would have

485
00:28:21.269 --> 00:28:22.890
to go back to look at a typewriter to see

486
00:28:22.930 --> 00:28:25.930
what's in place of the number 8, but I did

487
00:28:25.970 --> 00:28:30.390
not know. I mean, there could be what the coinciding

488
00:28:30.470 --> 00:28:33.390
symbol is. On our computers today, it's an asterisk, so

489
00:28:33.430 --> 00:28:37.910
it wouldn't make any sense. that they would shift asterisks

490
00:28:38.069 --> 00:28:43.230
instead of using the number eight. So I'll look back

491
00:28:43.269 --> 00:28:45.930
at that and see what typewriters had back in those days.

492
00:28:46.029 --> 00:28:49.549
But again, typewritten letters using the same type of punctuation

493
00:28:50.109 --> 00:28:56.650
or mispunctuation, if you will, using the number eight. On

494
00:28:56.670 --> 00:29:01.559
this particular slide, I covered the circle period dots and

495
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:08.160
the colons. and the semicolons and the commas in the communications,

496
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:12.930
because all of those were very similar with Jack's as well. So, um,

497
00:29:12.970 --> 00:29:16.130
we can see here all of these circle period dots and,

498
00:29:16.509 --> 00:29:19.430
and semicolons and all of these things that were used

499
00:29:19.490 --> 00:29:24.319
by the Zodiac, um, DC freeway phantom. It's used in

500
00:29:24.339 --> 00:29:28.440
the Vinovich letter, the exorcist letter, the channel nine newsletter.

501
00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:33.480
It's used in DB Cooper. It's used in herb cane letters. Um,

502
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:39.799
Let's see, this is Atlanta, Georgia. Did again lay down

503
00:29:39.859 --> 00:29:43.339
a crossbar on the exclamation marks between Atlanta, Georgia and

504
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:49.160
the Tom Voight letters and found, again, the same incline

505
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:55.490
or lean on those particular exclamation marks. Let's see here.

506
00:29:57.450 --> 00:30:00.839
circle period dots. Oh yes. And the Oswald letter, we

507
00:30:00.900 --> 00:30:04.619
also had colons that were used in those. So, and

508
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:06.920
we're going to get to the colons because they're used

509
00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:12.130
quite often. Let's see. Oh, again, the circle I dots

510
00:30:12.690 --> 00:30:18.109
definitely used in the Zodiac killer case. These were question

511
00:30:18.140 --> 00:30:21.690
marks based on how Jack actually writes them and what

512
00:30:21.730 --> 00:30:26.779
we saw happening with, again, Elizabeth Short, Sherry Jo Bates,

513
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:32.599
The Zodiac Killer, The Citizen Letter, Scorpion, Anthrax, Vlinovich, Finale Letter,

514
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:36.250
Dear Draft Board Letters, and the OCCK seems to be.

515
00:30:38.019 --> 00:30:41.079
Always a question in there, probably for law enforcement. Why

516
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:42.519
haven't you caught me yet? I'm kidding.

517
00:30:43.700 --> 00:30:44.119
Maybe not.

518
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:48.950
But we can kind of see this angular or more

519
00:30:49.069 --> 00:30:51.730
square look that we see in Jack's writing as something

520
00:30:51.769 --> 00:30:54.589
that we did find in at least the citizen letter.

521
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:05.470
And again, more circle period dots. Here I mapped out

522
00:31:05.569 --> 00:31:10.799
the use of quotations. We've seen quotations and commas in

523
00:31:11.019 --> 00:31:14.220
all of the communications that were very similar, obviously, in

524
00:31:14.500 --> 00:31:19.440
not only their length, but their shape, their leaning to

525
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.839
the right, the placement of them, all of those very

526
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.349
consistent with what Jack does as well. I took note

527
00:31:26.369 --> 00:31:26.690
to the.

528
00:31:29.730 --> 00:31:32.869
The quotes because in some cases it looked like the

529
00:31:32.930 --> 00:31:37.349
right quote was done backwards Instead of facing the letter

530
00:31:37.529 --> 00:31:40.130
it is facing to the right and we can see

531
00:31:40.170 --> 00:31:42.970
that happening in jack's writing So, of course I mapped

532
00:31:43.009 --> 00:31:46.029
that out as well in the letters such as the

533
00:31:46.069 --> 00:31:49.009
fairfield letter We can see here again. They're made backwards

534
00:31:49.049 --> 00:31:52.230
the exorcist letter again made backwards on that right hand

535
00:31:52.289 --> 00:31:58.990
side So all of that again very consistent with jack Um,

536
00:31:59.529 --> 00:32:04.390
another thing was to actually use parentheses in the communications

537
00:32:04.450 --> 00:32:07.410
as a way to break or start a new thought

538
00:32:07.450 --> 00:32:12.109
process along with hyphens. I mean, we see some hyphens

539
00:32:12.130 --> 00:32:15.779
that are super long, like after 9 PM and after stops,

540
00:32:16.210 --> 00:32:20.019
which was definitely consistent with more of the longer hyphens

541
00:32:20.059 --> 00:32:22.960
that we saw in some of the communications, um, And

542
00:32:22.980 --> 00:32:26.559
of course, literally riddled through all of these communications were

543
00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:29.259
all of these things, the use of parentheses, the use

544
00:32:29.299 --> 00:32:32.500
of hyphens, not only to hyphenate a word or to

545
00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:38.769
break a word up on a communication, but also to start, again,

546
00:32:38.930 --> 00:32:42.869
another segue of a thought pattern. So instead of ending

547
00:32:42.910 --> 00:32:45.549
that thought and starting a new paragraph, they're using a

548
00:32:45.589 --> 00:32:48.099
hyphen and just beginning a new idea in the middle

549
00:32:48.130 --> 00:32:51.559
of that paragraph. And that's exactly what we see happening

550
00:32:51.599 --> 00:33:02.390
in Jack's handwriting. Again, here's more communications that include the

551
00:33:02.589 --> 00:33:13.710
very long hyphens. Let's see. And all the different words.

552
00:33:13.910 --> 00:33:19.470
So here, remember, and then hyphen whoever plays and then, Hey, hyphen, hyphen,

553
00:33:19.490 --> 00:33:23.920
hyphen you actors hyphen. So it's like, he's just basically

554
00:33:24.099 --> 00:33:27.940
using hyphens as punctuation. Um, not just to break up words.

555
00:33:29.220 --> 00:33:31.279
We can see it all the way down into Vlinovich

556
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:34.980
using of the parentheses. I even found consistencies with the

557
00:33:35.029 --> 00:33:42.710
parentheses as far as their placement and shape. Another commonality

558
00:33:42.829 --> 00:33:46.269
in the communications are the use of arrows to draw

559
00:33:46.309 --> 00:33:49.980
your attention to particular areas. The use of the sun

560
00:33:50.069 --> 00:33:53.869
as the energy or the power for the diagram in

561
00:33:53.910 --> 00:33:56.970
this particular case, Jack is using it on his own

562
00:33:57.130 --> 00:34:00.559
engineering diagrams for building things. And then we've seen the

563
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.779
Zodiac use it as well in his communication in regards

564
00:34:03.819 --> 00:34:07.380
to the bus bomb. We also saw the sun version

565
00:34:07.420 --> 00:34:11.030
and arrows in the deer draft board letters. So, again,

566
00:34:11.070 --> 00:34:13.619
when you start putting all of these different pieces together,

567
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.519
it's really spelling out that we're dealing with one author. Otherwise,

568
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.760
we would see differences. We wouldn't see the same usages,

569
00:34:21.460 --> 00:34:25.030
especially in the same manner. If we were dealing with

570
00:34:25.090 --> 00:34:30.400
different authors, different killers for that matter. And like Sean said,

571
00:34:30.460 --> 00:34:33.059
back on the other side, it does not necessarily mean

572
00:34:33.099 --> 00:34:35.389
that the person who wrote the letters is the killer.

573
00:34:36.409 --> 00:34:41.949
There is some conjecture that the Zodiac was bolstering his

574
00:34:42.349 --> 00:34:46.309
take and maybe not had killed as many people as

575
00:34:46.829 --> 00:34:50.809
he has claimed and that some of the claims were false. Or,

576
00:34:50.909 --> 00:34:54.210
in this manner, my thought process is that he is

577
00:34:54.269 --> 00:34:57.389
taking credit for them because once that handwriting comes in,

578
00:34:57.429 --> 00:35:00.739
it has just enough information to be believable as the

579
00:35:00.860 --> 00:35:03.980
actual suspect, and then they find the handwriting doesn't match

580
00:35:04.059 --> 00:35:07.639
with some aspect of the other forensic evidence.

581
00:35:09.500 --> 00:35:13.099
Well, a good example would be the JonBenet case.

582
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:16.340
Like, I don't think that he necessarily killed JonBenet.

583
00:35:17.329 --> 00:35:19.579
I have my own theory of what happened to her

584
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:26.820
based on John's occupation at the time with Lockheed Martin.

585
00:35:27.019 --> 00:35:28.050
But he definitely wrote it.

586
00:35:28.179 --> 00:35:32.090
He definitely, you know, there's plenty of evidence pointing to

587
00:35:32.210 --> 00:35:34.389
him writing the letter that was left.

588
00:35:34.250 --> 00:35:39.199
On the stairs. Yeah, there are disguised letters in that

589
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:42.940
communication that are similar to other disguised letters used in

590
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.159
other communications that kind of ties it together. There is

591
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:50.570
some natural handwriting on the JonBenet Ramsey letter that leads

592
00:35:50.670 --> 00:35:55.050
directly back. I mean, I couldn't have... Missed Jack with

593
00:35:55.110 --> 00:35:59.079
those I think it was common sense Southern common sense

594
00:35:59.380 --> 00:36:03.340
was the words that were used and they actually were

595
00:36:03.500 --> 00:36:07.179
not Used they were more naturally written than the rest

596
00:36:07.219 --> 00:36:10.070
of the letter was written and happens to also be

597
00:36:10.110 --> 00:36:16.769
consistent with the styles that Jack uses All right, so

598
00:36:16.789 --> 00:36:24.050
that covers arrows and Sun okay Then getting into the

599
00:36:24.190 --> 00:36:29.329
underlining of things. using this also. So aside from hyphens

600
00:36:29.570 --> 00:36:33.500
to break thoughts or parentheses to break thoughts and begin

601
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:37.460
new thoughts, we also seen the use of underlining in

602
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:41.980
the Zodiac case. So these underlines here were all meant

603
00:36:42.099 --> 00:36:46.960
to cap off. I'm done with this particular message and

604
00:36:47.019 --> 00:36:50.110
then begins something new that he's talking about beneath it.

605
00:36:50.269 --> 00:36:52.730
And I found that Jack would also do that in

606
00:36:52.769 --> 00:36:56.050
his own writings and Some of these are actually from

607
00:36:56.190 --> 00:37:00.210
his work where he was filling out a report against

608
00:37:00.289 --> 00:37:05.550
some violator at Hewlett-Packard or otherwise. And we get to

609
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.960
see again when he breaks thought, he draws a line

610
00:37:09.179 --> 00:37:12.159
and then begins that new thought. But we got to

611
00:37:12.179 --> 00:37:15.659
see that all the way through, this over-underlining as well,

612
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:19.559
that was in Dear Draftboard, and again in The Zodiac Killer,

613
00:37:20.659 --> 00:37:25.300
all the way through D.B. Cooper, and The Freeway Phantom,

614
00:37:25.699 --> 00:37:30.070
Elizabeth Short, The Vinovich Letter. There's just so many. He's

615
00:37:30.150 --> 00:37:33.969
constantly underlining, and underlining is, again, to draw your attention

616
00:37:33.989 --> 00:37:39.199
to it. the references to time and Elizabeth short through

617
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:43.920
these communications, we found that, um, I shall cut off

618
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:46.360
her female parts and deposit them for the whole city

619
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.280
to see. This is in fact what he did to

620
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:51.219
black Dahlia. So this being in a confession letter for Sherry,

621
00:37:51.260 --> 00:37:55.320
Joe Bates ties us back to the black Dahlia. And

622
00:37:55.340 --> 00:37:58.139
then of course, once we get into the DB Cooper stuff,

623
00:37:58.219 --> 00:38:02.059
we see the misuse or the, um, as if the

624
00:38:02.099 --> 00:38:07.670
person has some type of, uh, issue with placing the

625
00:38:07.690 --> 00:38:10.909
letters correctly, that should have been D.B., but we see

626
00:38:10.949 --> 00:38:13.630
that B.D. was placed more than once in a D.B.

627
00:38:13.690 --> 00:38:18.360
Cooper message, and that again takes me back to Elizabeth Short.

628
00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:21.360
And then when we looked at the 1969 Gall and

629
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:24.340
Sharp letter, it says time is short, right? So we've

630
00:38:24.380 --> 00:38:27.340
got Um time I said it was about time in

631
00:38:27.380 --> 00:38:29.440
sherry joe bates time is short and the gall is

632
00:38:29.500 --> 00:38:33.800
sharp um Again, I think referring back to the watch

633
00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:42.199
and to elizabeth short And time again turning in wednesday

634
00:38:42.219 --> 00:38:45.659
had my fun at police And i'm not sure some

635
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.639
of this stuff was done so long ago. I don't

636
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:49.480
even know what I was mapping out at the time

637
00:38:50.820 --> 00:38:54.159
Jack's habituation in addressing envelopes spills over into every single

638
00:38:54.219 --> 00:38:58.599
writing included in this presentation. So Jack rarely places a

639
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.530
comma between the city and state. Jack almost always spells

640
00:39:01.570 --> 00:39:04.829
out the first few letters of the state. Jack carries

641
00:39:04.869 --> 00:39:08.309
the zip code underneath the state. And Jack shows propensity

642
00:39:08.329 --> 00:39:11.230
to use the extended four-digit code, as does the letters

643
00:39:11.289 --> 00:39:14.539
to Tom Voight in the anthrax mailings. Jack likes a

644
00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:17.300
four-line or longer address. I think this is due to

645
00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:20.929
military addresses that usually contain a line for their unit,

646
00:39:21.010 --> 00:39:26.309
like FPO, APO. Jack misspells Los Angeles just like Black Dahlia,

647
00:39:26.409 --> 00:39:29.190
and Black Dahlia used the word building spelled out in

648
00:39:29.210 --> 00:39:33.059
the address sequence just as the anthrax mailings were. The

649
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:36.539
spacing and slant of the word is identical between the two,

650
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.460
so I actually found the word building to actually break

651
00:39:39.500 --> 00:39:44.400
in the same spot between the letters, which makes it

652
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.219
appear as though it's two separate words, when really that's

653
00:39:47.300 --> 00:39:51.110
just a habit we saw throughout the Zodiac writing. The

654
00:39:51.130 --> 00:39:54.050
return address on the anthrax letters were a fourth grader,

655
00:39:54.309 --> 00:39:56.730
and in the finale letter to Tim Miller, Jack takes

656
00:39:56.809 --> 00:40:00.210
credit for this crime by stating Superfudge works well. We

657
00:40:00.230 --> 00:40:02.530
talked about that. Superfudge is a book written by Judy

658
00:40:02.570 --> 00:40:07.780
Blume in Texas, Humble, Texas, so Humble also plays into

659
00:40:07.900 --> 00:40:11.019
it in 1971, and the story is about a fourth grader.

660
00:40:12.050 --> 00:40:15.869
I actually read that book. Yeah, Superfudge?

661
00:40:16.150 --> 00:40:18.389
Yeah, when I was in school, yeah.

662
00:40:20.130 --> 00:40:21.949
I feel like I read it too. I feel like

663
00:40:21.989 --> 00:40:24.449
I had knowledge of it before looking it up, but

664
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:26.900
when I looked it up, I really had been so

665
00:40:26.940 --> 00:40:30.960
far separated from the actual book itself that it wasn't

666
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:33.880
automatically apparent to me. I had to type in Superfudge

667
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:35.929
into Google to see what it came up with.

668
00:40:35.949 --> 00:40:37.170
Yeah.

669
00:40:37.969 --> 00:40:41.230
One of those relate back to the oil, um, industry,

670
00:40:41.409 --> 00:40:43.469
which we know still plays a big part in this,

671
00:40:43.590 --> 00:40:47.469
but the other was to Judy Blume in Texas and

672
00:40:47.550 --> 00:40:51.829
humble being that connection on the outside of Bush international airport.

673
00:40:53.070 --> 00:40:57.079
So here's some of the addresses that I saw in

674
00:40:57.300 --> 00:41:00.880
Jack's belongings where he would map out different things. And

675
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:05.840
of course we see, um, TX for Texas here, but

676
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:10.239
we see Nebraska as NEB. Texas and many other occasions

677
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:19.739
for Jack is TEX. Let's see here. PO Box sucks,

678
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.030
so that one's a little bit different, but the Black

679
00:41:22.050 --> 00:41:27.599
Dahlia murder, obviously we see the Los Angeles murder. California,

680
00:41:27.619 --> 00:41:33.300
and he's spelling California, C-A-L-I-F. That is consistent through Black Dahlia,

681
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:39.320
the Riverside Phantom, and Sherry Jo Bates. Zodiac letters. Let's see,

682
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:41.519
and actually in one of these, it looks like the

683
00:41:41.539 --> 00:41:48.130
Christmas card, he actually spelt California completely out. More, we

684
00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:50.969
see the anthrax letters and the way the building is written.

685
00:41:51.349 --> 00:41:52.789
Did I put on here?

686
00:41:52.809 --> 00:41:54.590
Let's see.

687
00:41:56.570 --> 00:41:59.170
All right, so we see building down here, building 1243

688
00:41:59.170 --> 00:42:02.409
for the Herald Express in the Black Dahlia murder, and

689
00:42:02.429 --> 00:42:05.769
that crosses over to the use of the word building

690
00:42:06.369 --> 00:42:10.309
in the letters that came out in the actual. So

691
00:42:10.449 --> 00:42:14.760
Senator Leahy and Senator Daschle, they placed the building, the

692
00:42:14.780 --> 00:42:19.679
word building in the actual address. So again, another connection.

693
00:42:19.699 --> 00:42:23.219
Let's see.

694
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:31.820
Oh, and here in Jack's own writing, Brentwood, California, spelled C-A-L-I-F.

695
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:37.400
So we do see him doing exactly that. Here's a

696
00:42:37.579 --> 00:42:42.300
contrast in comparison to the Tom Voight letters. Here's that

697
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.010
connection we talked. Yes, go ahead.

698
00:42:45.340 --> 00:42:51.489
Jack mailed a letter from Brentwood? Mm-hmm. Was he living there?

699
00:42:51.510 --> 00:42:54.070
Because that's really an exclusive community.

700
00:42:55.699 --> 00:43:00.820
Yes, you are absolutely correct. It is. That's Danville, Brentwood, right?

701
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:01.500
That area?

702
00:43:02.380 --> 00:43:07.420
No, Brentwood's near L.A., I thought. Oh. That's where O.J.

703
00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:08.179
Simpson lived.

704
00:43:11.539 --> 00:43:16.179
So, let's see. And to Gary Terrence, that would have been,

705
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:23.360
I'm guessing, his nephew, Gary. Okay. Wow. So, Gary's in the...

706
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:33.059
upper echelon of areas, Carnegie Lane and Brentwood, California. So

707
00:43:33.099 --> 00:43:35.579
back to what we were saying before is, so Tom

708
00:43:35.659 --> 00:43:41.139
Humble in the Tim Miller 2005 to Tom Voight in

709
00:43:41.139 --> 00:43:45.070
2002 and 2003. He says in these letters, my humble

710
00:43:45.269 --> 00:43:50.750
offer Tom, basically. So Tom Humble being mailed to Tim

711
00:43:50.769 --> 00:43:54.050
Miller's Equi-Church. We see again the placement of the zip

712
00:43:54.090 --> 00:43:59.510
code beneath the actual city state is very consistent with

713
00:43:59.829 --> 00:44:04.329
the other letters that we've been looking at. The use

714
00:44:04.469 --> 00:44:07.820
of all of the digits for the zip code can

715
00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:14.960
be seen up here in the Senator Daschle. Here in

716
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.260
the Dear Draft Board letters, they did include building, but

717
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:22.800
they attempted to abbreviate the word building, but once again,

718
00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:25.559
we're seeing the word building in the middle of an address.

719
00:44:26.619 --> 00:44:29.840
I would think that Chimes building isn't even necessary to

720
00:44:31.619 --> 00:44:34.159
to the purpose of this because you have the 500

721
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:38.630
South Selena street room, 10 20, right. That would have

722
00:44:38.650 --> 00:44:40.769
been sufficient to get this to where it needed to

723
00:44:40.809 --> 00:44:43.380
go to, but he is always making sure to include

724
00:44:43.409 --> 00:44:53.699
the word building. Let's see. Calif. Yeah. Um, Okay, and

725
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:56.260
we have evidence to test or no results given on

726
00:44:56.300 --> 00:44:59.530
Jack's thumbprint to try to make a comparison. Letter with

727
00:44:59.550 --> 00:45:02.989
the DNA from Jack with the FBI in the hood.

728
00:45:04.489 --> 00:45:06.989
They still, the FBI should still be in possession of

729
00:45:07.070 --> 00:45:09.429
one of the envelopes that has Jack's DNA on it.

730
00:45:10.030 --> 00:45:12.530
And then the palm print with Sonoma County Sheriff's Department.

731
00:45:12.630 --> 00:45:14.750
They were in possession of a palm print. They were

732
00:45:14.789 --> 00:45:19.389
trying to get compared to The palm print, I believe

733
00:45:19.429 --> 00:45:23.090
in the Napa case, is where that palm print was

734
00:45:23.130 --> 00:45:25.230
supposed to be. I'm not sure if it came from

735
00:45:25.289 --> 00:45:28.849
a letter, but for whatever reason, San Francisco PD ends

736
00:45:28.949 --> 00:45:32.130
up being the one in charge of this particular palm print.

737
00:45:32.150 --> 00:45:41.849
So I'm not sure where it comes from. Well. Is

738
00:45:41.869 --> 00:45:44.829
there anything you'd like to add in? We're down to, well,

739
00:45:44.849 --> 00:45:47.829
it looks like we still got about four minutes. I

740
00:45:48.409 --> 00:45:51.150
can keep on going through this stuff. More of what

741
00:45:51.190 --> 00:45:52.929
I was going to be putting in here is how

742
00:45:52.989 --> 00:45:56.889
we can show that the individual liked to misspell things

743
00:45:56.949 --> 00:45:59.130
on purpose to make it look like he was dumb

744
00:46:00.070 --> 00:46:04.929
when clearly he can spell correctly. I noted that the

745
00:46:05.099 --> 00:46:12.329
use of attached was very similar in the fact, especially

746
00:46:12.349 --> 00:46:15.269
when we look at the JonBenet Ramsey note, in comparison

747
00:46:15.329 --> 00:46:21.349
to the red lipstick killer, the Kern Riverside Phantom, or

748
00:46:21.369 --> 00:46:23.780
the Black Dahlia Adventure, whichever you want to call it.

749
00:46:23.809 --> 00:46:27.280
This was, I think, in regards to the Kern murder

750
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:29.579
and a letter that was left, but we see that

751
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.559
the way the attached is spelled, the first A is

752
00:46:32.619 --> 00:46:35.099
spelled with just a regular A, the second A is

753
00:46:35.179 --> 00:46:39.239
actually a bell-top A. And we know belt hoppies are

754
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:41.880
exactly what Jack would have wanted to hide and not

755
00:46:41.900 --> 00:46:45.420
leave behind. So they weren't easy to find. But if

756
00:46:45.460 --> 00:46:45.900
you know.

757
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:50.679
Top attached looks fake or just like he purposely did

758
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.159
it in a weird way disguised, I guess is what

759
00:46:53.179 --> 00:46:56.860
I'm trying to say. Whereas the middle one, it's standard writing.

760
00:46:56.940 --> 00:46:58.260
It's just normal writing.

761
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.530
That's Jack's handwriting. So this is Jack's. This is from

762
00:47:02.550 --> 00:47:05.619
the Kern letter. And you're correct. Nobody writes a letter

763
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.030
H like this. It's not recognized as an H. It

764
00:47:08.050 --> 00:47:08.860
doesn't look like an H.

765
00:47:08.909 --> 00:47:11.090
Some of the letters are real tiny. The A, C,

766
00:47:11.230 --> 00:47:12.389
and the E are tiny.

767
00:47:13.050 --> 00:47:16.670
Right, and they're going back and forth like this. People

768
00:47:16.710 --> 00:47:18.909
don't write with a slant back and forth like this,

769
00:47:18.989 --> 00:47:21.570
but we can see that that's definitely consistent with what

770
00:47:21.610 --> 00:47:24.320
was going on in the Black Dahlia writings as well

771
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:27.519
because they're attempting to manipulate their handwriting. They're all over

772
00:47:27.539 --> 00:47:31.179
the place. But if we take note to that second

773
00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:34.139
A in attached in the Kern letter and the A,

774
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:41.530
second A in attache in the John Benet Ramsey ransom note, again,

775
00:47:41.590 --> 00:47:45.679
we see a very similar makeup of these bell-top A's.

776
00:47:48.300 --> 00:47:51.039
And for me, all Jack really needed to do was

777
00:47:51.099 --> 00:47:56.829
remove this top part, or the overhang of the bell-top A.

778
00:47:56.989 --> 00:47:59.550
Everybody learns to write a normal A, but Jack is

779
00:47:59.929 --> 00:48:02.730
more prone to using that bell-top A, but he certainly

780
00:48:02.809 --> 00:48:06.119
shows a propensity to not use the top cover, and

781
00:48:06.659 --> 00:48:09.659
he uses what I call the high-back A. And that

782
00:48:09.699 --> 00:48:11.679
means that the stem on the right side of the

783
00:48:11.860 --> 00:48:14.420
A sits much taller at a position in which you

784
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:18.489
would expect... them to actually be doing that overhang or

785
00:48:18.530 --> 00:48:26.250
the bell top A. So again, more consistencies. Got about

786
00:48:26.289 --> 00:48:28.210
a minute and a half if there's anything you guys

787
00:48:28.250 --> 00:48:30.289
like to add. I think from there it's just going

788
00:48:30.329 --> 00:48:33.630
to be more connections between the communications as we go

789
00:48:33.690 --> 00:48:37.070
down to complete what we've got left of this presentation.

790
00:48:37.090 --> 00:48:39.820
Yeah, I was just going to say maybe that Sean

791
00:48:39.860 --> 00:48:41.059
guy will reach out to you again.

792
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:47.079
He does, but he's so very vague. Like, I mean,

793
00:48:47.099 --> 00:48:49.400
if you, I don't know.

794
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:55.059
Can you please be more precise and in your comments

795
00:48:55.300 --> 00:48:58.380
and your information or Intel is that we, so we

796
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.260
can further examine what you, what you have found.

797
00:49:02.300 --> 00:49:05.119
Well, and I've asked questions. I don't seem to be

798
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.530
getting responses to those questions. I just get more statements and, Um,

799
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:11.739
so this isn't the first time that I've, you know,

800
00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:17.710
previewed his or, or shown his responses or questions. Yeah. He's,

801
00:49:20.340 --> 00:49:22.239
he says he met dennis and he says he.

802
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:24.619
Knows charles okay.

803
00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:27.199
And he says that charles knows more than he's letting

804
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.400
on and that charles's older brothers all definitely knew what

805
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:34.190
was going on I find that hard to believe. I mean,

806
00:49:34.289 --> 00:49:38.750
the shock and awe of discovering Jack is the Zodiac

807
00:49:38.809 --> 00:49:41.369
in 2000 by Dennis doesn't sound to me like Dennis

808
00:49:41.409 --> 00:49:44.250
was aware at all of who Jack was and what

809
00:49:44.289 --> 00:49:45.789
he was a part of. So I don't know which

810
00:49:45.949 --> 00:49:48.349
older brothers this guy's referring to. There's one of those

811
00:49:48.429 --> 00:49:51.829
questions where he makes a statement, I ask which older brother,

812
00:49:51.889 --> 00:49:53.070
and I don't get a response.

813
00:49:54.369 --> 00:49:56.889
I think the one that was in the military definitely

814
00:49:56.929 --> 00:49:58.849
played a part in some of the crimes.

815
00:50:00.260 --> 00:50:02.639
I'm going to leave it off with that last comment

816
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:05.280
because we have ran past time, but that is a

817
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.780
perfect statement, and we will pick back up where we

818
00:50:07.820 --> 00:50:11.099
left off next Friday. Everybody have a wonderful weekend, and

819
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.440
we'll see you soon. Thank you guys for being here. Peace.

820
00:50:14.500 --> 00:50:29.400
Thank you. Bye. No, no, no! Help!

821
00:50:29.579 --> 00:50:32.280
Help! Help!