May 22, 2026

Who is Tom Voight??? Part 3

Who is Tom Voight??? Part 3
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How exactly does any one person end up owning the rights to images, news reels, pictures, audio, and a money-making website in the guise of a donation or sales in an unsolved multiple homicide case? All inquiries about the Zodiac Killer from media or news is deferred to him as well even though many of his suspects are false. He is a consultant for Hollyweird, and purported know it all. Let’s see what is or isn’t as it is portrayed on his website circa 1998-2003.

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Good morning, truth seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to well to the show today, Nolan del Campo.

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Or not.

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Gotta love it?

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All? Right, Well, we'll go ahead and get this started,

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and he probably needs to climb back on. And I

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really just found this quote on a movie that I

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was watching, and of course there was war involved, but

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I thought might have everything that's been going on with

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Iran that it was an interesting statement to say. The

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rush of battle is often a potent and lethal addiction.

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For war is a drug by Chris Hedges, and I

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can completely understand that in terms of people wanting something

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that somebody else has, whether it's resources or land or power.

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In general, it does. Yeah, are you here, what's that

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do you hear you.

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I can hear you.

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I can't see you. You might have to go out

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and come back in. I don't see your video at

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all anyways. So of course it's that time of the

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year again where we're all sitting down and looking at

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all the measures on the ballot and trying to decide

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who we're going to vote for for Congress and such,

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and I, you know, I really.

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Kind of despise all of the rhetoric and the mail

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that I get.

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Because it's really just people hating on other people and

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calling other people out. But I thought there was a

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couple interesting things that that we do know already based

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on the events and people who have been voted into politics.

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One of them that I thought was interesting was this

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doctor Richard Pan for Congress Truth Science and Public Health,

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and it says it's time to send a doctor to Congress. Well,

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the problem with that is that then they are the

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ones in control or having voting rights for us in

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regards to healthcare and other medical decisions, which I feel like,

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you shouldn't be a doctor if you have any primary

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benefit for voting in a direction that benefits.

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You and what you do.

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We did have some oh there you are, Can.

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You hear me?

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Now?

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Yeah, it was stuck at two minutes ten and you

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were frozen. So I missed about two minutes of the show.

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Oh I just I did a quote, and then I

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kind of climbed into some of this mailings that we're

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getting for the political arena and the people who were

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wanting to be voted, and some of the things that

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they're saying about one person while what they're saying about themselves,

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like doctor Richard Pan for Congress, saying that it's time

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to send a doctor to Congress, And I feel like

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that we shouldn't have anybody who has a position in

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pharmaceutical companes or in medical care, or even a doctor

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for that matter, into Congress who has the right to

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vote blanketly on things that affect us as a whole.

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Right, I mean right, it's like instarted trading. Basically, it's

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got a vested interest in the outcome of the legislation exactly.

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I'm glad you said that so well, because we had

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that the one person in Congress or I'm not sure

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she was in the House or Congress, but she was

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out in Florida and was busted for.

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Frauding the Medicare system.

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During COVID and her family owns I guess hospitals or

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some type of.

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I don't know if they're like urgent cares or what

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they are, but she.

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Yeah, yeah, medical facilities. And of course she's then frauding

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COVID for millions of dollars in being indicted for that.

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Just but that people are so.

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While this guy says it's time to send a doctor

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to Congress, a trusted pediatrician who will stand up for science,

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protect families, and safeguard the health of our communities, is

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then bashing on the other side. RFK Junior is systematically

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undermining vaccine science and endangering health vaccine science. I mean,

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how is it that he undermines it? He doesn't believe

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that we should be putting it in our body, because

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anything we're putting into our body that isn't natural isn't

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good for us. I mean, at what point do you

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determine that it's undermining it?

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I don't know. He's pretty out there when it comes

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to those issues. Who is.

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Junior and what do you mean out there?

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His views are widely accepted in the scientific community.

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What is he against for it?

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He's totally against vaxes, and I don't know why. I mean,

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they've been proven to be helpful. That's why we have

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him well to certain people. Here's the other deal, too,

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forced vaccination is that's a whole different story, right. But

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there's like a pandemic or epidemic or major thing that

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I'm almost for it because if it helps the greater

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good to stop, you know, nip something in the bud

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rather than ever because a few didn't get backs if

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they choose not to, the nation should stay home.

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Hm. I know my brother, My brother's doctor kept pushing

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for it. So he's a CHP officer, and he his

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doctor kept pushing him for it, and he refused to

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take it. And then I think just a few months

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ago he saw his doctor again and his doctor prophetically

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apologized forever having suggested that he take it.

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So there's a big flip right from you should you should?

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You should too? I am sorry I ever attempted to

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push you into doing that. I was completely wrong. That

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was some interesting news.

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Another one is this Steve Hilton is Donald Trump's hand

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picked candidate for governor, and they're going on about supporting

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radical Department of Government efficiency, cutting government services.

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But in reality. Shouldn't we be cutting some stuff? Aren't we?

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Actually?

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You know, a lot of money is going to areas.

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Into agencies that aren't actively doing anything for us or

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they're overstaffed and we're paying for nothing.

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I mean, there does need to be some cuts.

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There's a lot of waste, although most of it is

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where they're spending the most money, and that's on the

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military industrial complex and government contracts right right, So where

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they're trying to cut is the program for the poorest people,

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for the have nots, and that's where the most waste is,

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and that's where the most money is. And then it cause,

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you agree, there's a lot of inefficiency and waste, but

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I think we have to be very careful about where

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we make the cuts.

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But I do think that there's a lot of waste,

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and you see it time and time again with some

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of these government officials. They're sitting at their desk on

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their phone on the.

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Computer, like what are you doing? What's your job? Why

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aren't you working?

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There's a story today's be the lead story about this

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developer out in the North area who's gonna They call

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it the River District, I guess, which is another name

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for the big homeless area and you're going to do

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a big development out there. And the guy got grants

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federal and state and local, grew up to like almost

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nine million dollars. But they come in really slowly. But

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his contractors all these other people want to get paid

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every month. So he's talking about abandoning the whole project

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and losing out and all that funding. So there go

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figure there, and then they send him to private banks,

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and the banks told him, well, if you if you

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could put up the collateral in cash, then we'll loan

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you whatever you want. He says, a.

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Loan, right.

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Well, this one goes on to say about Steve Hilton

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falsely accused Democrats of rigging elections like Donald Trump does,

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which I found kind of interesting because Newsom literally stated

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I'm going to redistrict because that's what Trump did, So

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he literally did. And these people say falsely accusing Democrats

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of doing this.

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It's not false. We watched Newsom do it.

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It literally was his retaliation for what he believed Trump

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was doing. But I thought the bigger part of this,

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or the more hilarious part of this, is that they

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keep going republican republican and against Democrat against Democrat in

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all of this rhetoric, and honestly speaking, we know Trum

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was a former Democrat and I was just told that

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Steve Hilton was also a Democrat too.

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No, he just saw his best chance as being Republican

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and getting backing from Trump. That way he'd get all

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the right wingers and gel for it. And the way

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the primary works is it's the two highest vote getters.

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It's not the top Democrat, top top Republican like most primaries,

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it's the two highest vote getters. Well, there's so many

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Democrats in the race that they're stealing votes from each other,

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and that's why Hilton was tied for the lead. Well,

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I think at least one Democrat, I think, but Sarah's

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gonna get in the run off against Hilton. But I'm

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pretty sure Hilton for sure is gonna make it. And

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I think I just.

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Find it interesting that they're calling them Republicans when they're

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at heart not Republicans. Neither Trump or Hilton or Republicans democrats.

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If he gets elected Republican, he's gonna have to go

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with that agenda. Otherwise, you know, he turns back on Trump,

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and that's not if a Republican. That's not a good

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thing to do. Nominal Republican. Right.

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Well, I think that that is probably of the hate

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rhetoric that's going around. All I have on my desk

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for that now.

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I was contacted by another individual just a few days

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ago in regards to Gary Post, which is one of

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the suspects, or one of the more recent false suspects

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that was claimed to have been the Zodiac killer, because

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he purportedly admitted it at some point or stated that

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he was. And so I had a really long conversation

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a couple hours with this guy, and I started to

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take notes, which lasted about two sentences, and then realized

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that there was nothing of value there for me to

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talk about. So his belief because he says he personally

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met and knew and had hung out a bit with

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a Post that he had driven a friends or a

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brother's brown Mustang, he said, And I said, I've never

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heard of a Mustang being involved in Zodiac.

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Yeah, where does the suspect live or where did he live?

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Oh gosh, it wasn't Texas or California. That it's not

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the rite, Well.

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It's California, but he was up in like Groveland. I

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want to say. He was saying it's somewhere, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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And so he was going on about how he had all.

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The law enforcement scared and and that he ran a

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group of teenagers doing his bidding and intimidating people. And

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I'm like, that's not Zodiac like at all. And would

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you be putting yourself out there as a cult leader

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for teenagers if you were truly the Zodiac and trying

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to stay under the radar, Like no, this is it

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absolutely makes no sense. No, And everything he had to say,

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I obviously had something to point in a different direction.

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A we know post was probably about thirty years of

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age during the Zodiac crimes, which was one of the

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reasons I excluded him, not only because he doesn't look

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like the Zodiac composite, but because he was thirty when

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the police officer said, we were looking for somebody between

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the ages of thirty five and forty five, so pushing

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it to an old older limit. And again he didn't

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look anything like the composite, nor did he ever need

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or require glasses.

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This guy actually tried to like.

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Take his argument to the point by saying, well, I'm

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vain and I don't always wear my glasses. I need them,

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but I often leave them at home because I'm vain.

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Well, the Zodiac needed them.

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We don't take extra accruiterrements to a crime scene that

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we're gonna have to collect, keep, or hopefully not break

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or lose during the process of that crime.

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You don't bring a bunch of extra things with you.

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You're not drag your kitchen scene.

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And he needed them to see properly because to execute

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these very sophisticated, precise.

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Yes, yes, and and he couldn't quite wrap his mind

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around it. And at the end the result was I

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asked him, could he get any handwriting?

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So he was pushing this author of a book that

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he knew.

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He kept saying, and I said, but this guy, if

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he wrote a book and attempted to make money off

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of a false suspect, I said, then that's nothing more

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than hollyweird to me. And he's like, I don't understand

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what you mean. I said, affiliation with anything related to news.

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Media, Hollywood, any of that. If these people are coming

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from that, from that genre and then making a book.

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About a false suspect, I said, I discount and I

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distrust anything that they're putting out and at first he

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was trying to tell me, oh, no, that's that's.

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Not who this guy is.

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In fact, you know, they they really ran him down,

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all these people, and then he pops up and says

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he used to be a journalist.

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I was like, bingo, he couldn't.

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He couldn't have. And they don't want to get off.

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Yeah he was. He sounded like he.

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I mean, I don't know what makes people think I'm

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the bleeding heart for listening to every you know, story

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that they have in regards to their revolving around you know,

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somebody they think is the zodiac.

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Or why they think I'm the person.

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I mean, he clearly told me just out of the gate,

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he understood I had my own suspect. But he also

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understood or also understands that I do believe that there's

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a group theory. I don't see this guy being part

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of the group at all. I mean, running a gang

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of teenagers makes no sense.

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Anyway, So we are.

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Best invested in his suspect. He doesn't want to back off.

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It, right right, literally, Yeah, it's his experience.

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He you know, wants to be his part in it,

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and having known this person and he wants to share

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that with people, and I was extremely interested. Like I said,

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I got out the notepad. I was ready to start

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taking notes. He was making it sound like, you know,

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don't this is confidential.

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I don't want anybody to know.

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So it revolved aroun im a sister, where she lived

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next door to Post, this, that, and the other. Like

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I just the second that he started getting into the information,

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there was nothing there to protect her to hide. There

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was nothing that he said that would be considered confidential.

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How does his sister feel and if she leaves them,

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why isn't she moved?

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Well, I guess they're not next to him anymore.

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At this point, I want to say that this was

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when they were in Alameda County. So when oh, that's

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where that's where he was. Post was living in Alameda

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County when he met him. But I don't have anything

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for Alameda County as far as murders or.

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You know, that's near the Zodiac area though, I mean that's.

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Near, yeah, right, it's near.

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It's in between San Francisco and San Jose, right, so

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we have Jack and Sarose. But yeah, I just the region.

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It's in the Greater region, but it's we don't have

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any specific.

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Ties right right, Well back to what we had on

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Tom Voyd site, we're at nineteen seventy four, and it

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says the Zodiac resurfaced in nineteen seventy four when he

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wrote a series of letters to the Chronicle over a

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period of six months and with postmarks from around the

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Bay Area. Though ultimately identified through analysis of the envelopes

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and handwriting, these four letters were different from the others

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in that the author had abandoned his usual salutation, this

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is the Zodiac speaking and signature the cross circle design.

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The first was sent on January twenty ninth from Zonnivail, California,

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and referred to the recently released movie The Exorcist as

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the best satirical comedy that I'd ever seen. It also

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included a quote from the Macado about a burden commits

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suicide because the one in love's won't pay it attention,

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and an inscrutable drawing drawing that resembled a hieroglyph of

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some sort. It says, and this is the Exorcists letter

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I saw and think The Exorcist was the best satirical comedy.

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That I have ever seen.

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Siders truly, he plunged himself into the billowy wave, and

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an echo rose from the suicide's grave.

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Titwillow, titwillow, tit willow.

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Yes, if I do not see this note in your paper,

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I will do something nasty, which you know I'm capable

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of doing.

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Me.

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Now he's claiming thirty seven victims and SFPD zero because

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they've not caught him.

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A couple of side notes in regards to this.

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We covered it back in nineteen seventy four, but Jack

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had just gone to see the Exorcist movie in December

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before this or before this letter was actually written. So

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he went on a double date, him and Nora and

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his brother and his brother's either wife or girlfriend at

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that time. They went on a double date and watched

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The Exorcists, and Dennis had the recollection of it, because

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Jack was really enjoying this whole Exorcist movie. Another note,

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because he's taken a three year break at this point,

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the zodiac has and that has been attributed to Danny

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Reynolds when he went to Cya, and Dennis believes that

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Danny took the rap for something that Jack was ultimately

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responsible for, and that's why Jack went back and picked

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him up when he got out of Cya in January

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of nineteen seventy four, and this letter being mailed from Sunnyvale,

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which is near the Pleasanton area where the last postcard was,

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and that was Jack also addressing Danny reynolds needs. But

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Jack went and picked Danny Reynolds up in nineteen seventy

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four from Cya and brought him back to his house

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with Nora. So here's Dennis and the other kids, and

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this step son from his previous marriage has now been

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picked up by Cya and brought back to their home

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in South Lake Tahoe.

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That I don't see that as being a coincidence.

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Right, Also that the Mikado references are the president in

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the earlier Zodiac communications, and at the time of the

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Paul Steiner, I believe there was a production of the

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Mikado going on in San Francisco.

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Acting right, there's a and I think maybe even at

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the Presidio. I don't really recall what was going on.

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I don't know if that was Doctor Zodiac or I

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think I want to say it was the Micata that

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was being played.

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Though in San Francisco, I'm not sure where. But at

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the time of I think the Fall Star murder. It

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was still an active production, I believe.

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Right.

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Well, here's a visual and this looks like a really

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good high quality scan, albeit not in color, but I

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mean you can see literally this this is the sign

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off here instead of doing the crosshair circles.

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But I think that this was related to a sake

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barrel that was found on one of the Santa Rosa victims.

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This was some type of an emblem that they said

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could potentially have been from that, so that might have

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tied in. And in this we get to see these

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dots that the heavy period dotting, and these lines that

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are coming from it. We seen that in one of

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the letters that Robert Graysmith had produced in his book,

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and then when he reproduced the next book, he actually

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had that document he claims cleaned up that the printer

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had done that when it was printing the book it

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accidentally made this mess or these dots and all this

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stuff that Dennis claimed was legitimately on the original letter,

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and then gray Smith had it removed, claiming that it

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was a printing problem.

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I see this on many of the letters.

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The truth. Why would you do something like that?

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Well, it was Dennis believed that he also changed some

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of the bell top as.

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That was in that letter.

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So in doing so, he removed other artifacts that were actively,

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you know, created.

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By the Zodiac.

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And so when he cleaned the letter up, he used

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that as an excuse to say, oh, it just printed

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that way because the printer was bad. Well, usually when

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a printing, when a printing press is printing a book,

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it's going to pop up on more than one page.

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If that's happening, not just that letter, throughout the entire book.

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Yeah right, you're.

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Gonna happen.

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Justification by Grace Smith.

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Right, Well, so he goes in and.

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So say the whole thing. Okay, I've seen it.

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I just read it because as I saw, I think

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The Exorcist was the best satirical comedy.

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Yeah, okay, yeah, you read it from the other version, okay.

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Right, right, So it goes on to say, in addition

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to a single eight cent Eisenhower stamp, the Zodiac had

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placed on the envelope two USPS stickers, one more picture

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of a clock set to twelve fifty five or eleven

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o five with the advice to mail early in the day,

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and the other was a reminder to use the recently

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introduced ZIP code probably from the same packet. The Killer

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also stuck two short paragraphs about the stamps and their packaging.

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Stamps in this book have been gummed with Matt finish adhesive,

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which permits the elimination of the separation tissues. This book

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contains twenty five eight cent stamps, four on this pain

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and seven each on.

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Three additional pains, selling price two dollars.

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So that he actually, for whatever reason posted that, So

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why don't we see that on the envelope? Where's this

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envelope that shows this stuff? Although this letter fell under

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brief suspicion as a possible forgery in mid nineteen seventy eight,

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it was verified as genuine by a panel of handwriting

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analysts from various agencies throughout California.

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Your darn straight it is.

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I mean, come on, I mean, at first glance it

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looks like it, and then a poem fur their study

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and confirms.

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It right right, Yeah, there was just too many things

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that were consistent with the handwriting and the linguistics and

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the way that it was all put together. It goes

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on to say all of the Killers letters had been

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written or typed on varying stocks and brands of odd

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sized paper. The edges had been trimmed with industrial rather

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than personal or office type paper cutters. The only dimensions

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given for any document were for this letter, which measures

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seventeen centimeters by twenty four centimeters, the same configuration as

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the three part cryptogram with seventeen columns in twenty four rows.

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I find it yeah, I find it interesting that he

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claims that the only dimensions given for any document, he says,

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was this letter, when in reality they've known that the

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letters that the zodiac wrote on were five by sevens

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approximately five x sevens in size.

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I think Harry Thatcher would have a take on that

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on the numerology.

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Right, yes he would, But to tell the viewers of

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his website that the dimensions given for any document was

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only this one is completely untrue because I then think

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that's what allowed him to manipulate these letters, blow them

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up to eight and a half by eleven by widening

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and lengthening the pixel with and height, so that again

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is not providing the truth to the viewers.

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And by saying that he's giving this one more significance

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than the others and all.

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And they're all approximately the same size. So the next.

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Letter, whose postmark is unclear in published photographs. Was mailed

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from San Francisco, arrived at the Chronicle on February fourteenth,

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nineteen seventy four, seven days after the Symbionese Liberation Army

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had kidnapped Patty Hurst.

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Is this a coincidence the SLA letter.

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He mailed from the Zodiac and the abduction of Patty Hurst,

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the daughter of the media magnet for you said the examiner, right,

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San Francisco's examiner.

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Was the examiner, not the crew. Yeah. And but also

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yet LA paper papers across the country.

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Yeah, WoT for.

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One of his papers, and then the syndicated her across

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the country.

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Right.

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This letter, it was transcribed by the Chronicle in August

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of nineteen seventy six. Dear mister editor, did you know

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that the initial slay Cymbionese Liberation Army spell SLA. The

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word SLA is written in script, an old Norse word

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meaning kill.

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And then signed off a friend.

473
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.799
So the sign off was definitely consistent with other sign

474
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.559
offs that we've seen a citizen in the Sherry Joe

475
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.799
Bates case, right, one of the letters was signed off

476
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:29.559
a concerned citizen.

477
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.160
So we see these kind of cryptic sign offs.

478
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:36.759
He goes on to say the terms old Norse and

479
00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:39.839
old Icelandic refer to the same tongue, but there is

480
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:43.119
debate among scholars over which is more appropriate. Some use

481
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:46.119
the former in respect to the languages Norwegian origins, but

482
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:49.119
most use the latter because most of the surviving texts

483
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:52.680
were written into Iceland. Garth Penn, a former student of

484
00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:57.960
medieval literature and historical linguistics, points out that the Nordic

485
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:01.559
sla in fact means to strike, and goes on to

486
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:04.559
list the English language dictionaries which name it as a

487
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:09.880
cognate of the English slagh without giving its original definition,

488
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:14.559
and with Norse rather than Icelandic named as the original tongue.

489
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:19.640
Webster's Third International Chambers Dictionary, the Oxford English Dictionary, and

490
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:24.880
the Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology, and Eric Partridge's origins

491
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.720
are all scholarly, not popular, rites Pen, who suggests that

492
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:31.359
the gleaning of this misinformation came as the result of

493
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:35.799
a higher education than the SFPD and armchair profilers everywhere

494
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:37.400
had attributed to the zodiac.

495
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:42.680
So again making him intelligent, right, he obviously.

496
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:48.640
I would too, So here's that letter, and of course

497
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:51.079
I've done the handwriting on this one as well. I've

498
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:56.960
identified this as well as something from the Zodiac, But when.

499
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:58.799
It talks about the Symbionese Liberation Army.

500
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:00.640
At the time I'm looking at this letter, I was

501
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:02.920
completely unaware of the fact that they were the people

502
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:05.400
who actually abducted Patty Hurst.

503
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.559
Yeah, and then of course they claimed they brainwashed her.

504
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:10.920
M k ultrid her.

505
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:16.319
You know well CINQ aka DONALDA. Friese, the leader of

506
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:21.519
SLA he was trained in brainwashing techniques while in prison.

507
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.039
Oh how do you get trained in that stuff while

508
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:25.559
in prison?

509
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:29.440
Because at Vacaville they had a program going on funded

510
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:34.720
by the CIA that brought this professor in. I think

511
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:37.839
he was a professor. I don't know if it was UCLA,

512
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.200
but maybe Berkeley. Anyway, they brought him in to work

513
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:44.279
with the students at Vacaville, and part of what he

514
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.200
was doing was man condrol experiments, and one of his

515
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:51.640
top pupils was Donald Friese, who later became sin Q.

516
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:55.039
So the CIA paid for this guy to go in

517
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:57.839
and actually teach our criminals how to do this stuff.

518
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:01.400
Well, not all of them that he was experimenting on

519
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:04.000
most of them, but some of them he took under

520
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.200
his wing, and I think there was a purpose behind that,

521
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:12.920
because later the SLA is My theory is that they

522
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:17.000
were a front operation for their mk ultra type of

523
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:21.279
thing to help same like Manson, to help discredit both

524
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:25.680
the counterculture and the hippie movements and basically the counterculture

525
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:32.400
and any kind of like quasi revolutionary because at first,

526
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.240
even though the s LA was doing really bad things

527
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:41.319
kidnap and murder, but what their goals were, like feeding

528
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:47.400
poorer youth and things like that, education, nourishment, things like that,

529
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:51.359
they're very lofty goals, but their methods were crazy.

530
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:56.759
Like Robin Hood right, yeah, it way worse.

531
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:02.920
I'm pretty those techniques on Patty Urris. That's part of

532
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:06.240
why she she got away with her role in it

533
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:11.240
because her lawyer, which became Ethlee Bailey, who was also

534
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.079
very familiar with My Good Girl. He was the lawyer

535
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.240
in the Boston strangler case and he was also involved

536
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:18.039
with the o J.

537
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:22.839
The partner Melvin Belli, who the Zodiac wrote.

538
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.240
Yeah, so Bailey, he's been around forever, and that was

539
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.599
her lawyer, and he was able to convince uh prosecutors

540
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.799
judge the majority that she was a victim of mind

541
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:34.680
control herself.

542
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:37.839
She would it take to do something like that?

543
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.599
I mean, how long did they the book I had

544
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:43.440
said she they had her. They would lock her in

545
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.640
a closet for hours on end, and then when she'd

546
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:51.279
come out, she would just be hungry, thirsty and deprived.

547
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:55.000
Then it was crazy. There was a lot of different

548
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:58.200
weird tactics they used on her, but they keep her.

549
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:01.759
She was for a while, you know, through the bank.

550
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:04.039
She was there at the bank robbery. Karen a machine gun.

551
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:12.039
She was with him quite a while. Huh okay, yeah,

552
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.119
until she was from the times she was kidnapped to

553
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:17.519
the time they all went down, she was. She was

554
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:20.240
still with him and some of the people had kind

555
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:24.039
of fled to a little safe house and that's why

556
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:26.119
they survived when they got raided and a lot of

557
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:26.799
them got killed.

558
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.480
Oh so she she was one of the people that

559
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:31.640
didn't get killed.

560
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:35.519
Of course. Yeah. But then but then she got arrested

561
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:36.960
and flee. Bailey was her.

562
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:41.279
Lawyer, gotcha, Yeah, it's all it's all one night, nice

563
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:43.359
little web, that's for sure.

564
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:49.319
U in uh sure hands her hand. The guy that's

565
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.319
in prison for the legend murder of Robert Kennedy. He

566
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:56.039
in his book that they they found uh you know

567
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.839
rfkmas die f Camus died. Uh, very very evidence of

568
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.920
like hypnosis and part of what he writes in there too. Dicelvo, Decelvo,

569
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.920
Di Selvo and Albert Selvo's the guy that got convicted

570
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:15.119
as the Boston strangler. But E. Flee Bailey was involved

571
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.200
there too, So who knows if he did it or not,

572
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:20.079
but he I think I don't know if he got

573
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.440
convicted or pled guilty. But E. Flee Bailey has been

574
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:27.039
around a lot of cases have evolved my control and hypnotis.

575
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.039
That's very interesting. Hmmm.

576
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:32.559
It kind of reminds me of these people who play

577
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:36.920
these roles on movies where it requires in depth knowledge

578
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.799
about the person they're going to portray and what they

579
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.480
have to learn, so that person continues to play those

580
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.319
same type of roles over and over again so as

581
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.319
to not let this information be known by too many

582
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:51.079
different actors, right, Like, we're going to just keep using

583
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:56.160
these people to do it, And that would be my thought.

584
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.519
And in regards to A. Flee Bailey, if if he

585
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.799
is literally handle in all of these cases, he's getting

586
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.880
inside information that no other person is getting so let's.

587
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.400
Just keep making him the attorney on these types of cases.

588
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:15.680
Yeah, and they're partners so well. They worked on certain

589
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.319
cases together, but they had their own separate practices.

590
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.680
I was under the impression that they were partners at

591
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:24.640
some point.

592
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:28.960
No, they had some affiliation and there's some cases that

593
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:33.839
that they both worked on, but they weren't officially law partners.

594
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.880
I know that one of and Ethlee Bailey ended up

595
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:38.359
being disbarred.

596
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:40.000
Right did he? I don't recall that.

597
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:44.559
Yeah, and I believe that his partner is I'm not

598
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:46.400
going to recall his name right now, but he's the

599
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:48.400
one that ended up on the steps of the chronicle

600
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:53.480
with Deborah Perez as a false suspect, claiming her father,

601
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:57.640
her adopted dad, was the Zodiac and he was as well.

602
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.599
I think he was a pr person if I remember correctly.

603
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:04.759
He was a former partner of Flee Bailey's and he

604
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.920
was disbarred attorney as well.

605
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.159
Some of the information I found out during that time.

606
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:14.199
So next letter.

607
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.800
Three months later, on May eighth, another letter was sent,

608
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:19.679
this time from Fremont, about twenty five miles south of

609
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:24.280
San Francisco across the Bay. It expressed consternation at newspaper

610
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.840
ads for the movie Badlands, which was inspired by spree

611
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:32.239
murderers Charles Starkweather and Carol Ann Fugate. It arrived in

612
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:36.360
a pre stamped envelope, unlike any other known Zodiac letter.

613
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:40.559
Sir as, I would like to express my consternation concerning

614
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:43.239
your poor taste and lack of sympathy for the public

615
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.719
as evidenced by your running of the ads for the

616
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.239
movie bad Lands featuring the blurb in nineteen fifty nine,

617
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.119
most people were killing time, Kit and Holly were killing people.

618
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.559
In light of recent events, this kind of murdered glorification

619
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:58.880
can only be deplorable at best, not the glorification of

620
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:00.480
violence was ever just a fiable.

621
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:01.800
Why don't you show.

622
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:05.039
Some concern for public sensibilities and cut the ad A citizen,

623
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.320
is that like the Zodiacs smacking their hands like you

624
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:16.280
shouldn't be glorifying murder when that's exactly what Zodiac is

625
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.159
attempting to do by getting all of his stuff printed

626
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:20.280
in the in the paper.

627
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:26.239
So you're right. Efley Bailey did get disbarred. He was

628
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:33.719
admitted in both Massachusetts and it's the other state, Maine

629
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.440
and Florida. Actually he tried to get admitted Maine. He

630
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.360
didn't make it. The bar wouldn't have him but Florida,

631
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.880
and he got disbarred in both states. And later he

632
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.880
tried to get in to the bar in Maine but

633
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.199
they denied him based on prior conduct, not because he

634
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.880
didn't pass the exam, but based on prior conduct. But

635
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:58.440
doesn't say anywhere here on the wikipedi site that he

636
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:02.920
was a partner of all they were cohorts, but they

637
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:08.760
were official law partners. He was not licensed to practice

638
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:13.159
in California yet Patty Hirst's case in the OJ case

639
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:17.159
are both California cases, right, So I don't know who

640
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.400
he got around that. I think in the OJ, I

641
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:23.320
think what the rule is is if you get affiliated

642
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:28.079
with a practicing California license attorney and you became part

643
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:31.440
of that team, then you're good to go. So maybe

644
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:34.440
with Patty Hurst, there was some other nominal guy that

645
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.480
was a California lawyer that he got to affiliate with

646
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:41.360
which allowed him to represent Patty Hurst. But otherwise, unless

647
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.679
you're admitted in a particular state, you can't practice in

648
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:48.320
that state. Right, practice in Nevada, I can't practice in Florida.

649
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:51.199
Was that kind of like when you become a parallegal

650
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.840
you could operate on your own, but under the guys

651
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.480
or supervision of a licensed attorney.

652
00:36:57.519 --> 00:36:58.840
So you basically have to turn.

653
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.119
Over all your work and make sure that that attorney

654
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:03.519
agrees with what it is that you're doing in order

655
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:05.840
for you to actively produce or do.

656
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.679
That work for the public. Yes, I believe so.

657
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:11.960
Kind of that scenario right there, right as long as

658
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:13.320
you have somebody supervising.

659
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:18.159
Yeah, maybe that just means that there's someone that's ultimately

660
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:22.039
responsible along with you. It's like co certing, you know,

661
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:28.000
when somebody's come up if something goes wrong, not only

662
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.559
that only Bailey would get punished, but Cochran get punished

663
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.760
you or you know, right Kardashian or whatever.

664
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:41.320
I did find it interesting when you're looking through these letters,

665
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.480
especially the citizen letter that Void is talking about, when

666
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.199
you compare that to the b Winovitch letter from two thousand,

667
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:50.960
A lot of the things that you see happening in

668
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:57.079
this letter is definitely considered consistent. And of course this

669
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.920
one is also mentioning citizens, so there's some cross connectivity here.

670
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.039
I see that there again are these belltop A's that

671
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.800
we were talking about that we I that Dennis had

672
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.480
felt that Robert Graysmith ended up removing from the letters,

673
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:14.039
and I don't know when he suspects that he did that,

674
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:16.280
but it was somewhere between the first and second book,

675
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:19.000
because the second book did not portray that same letter

676
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:24.599
the same way books.

677
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:27.119
That's crazy because I haven't read the first one, I

678
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:28.760
read the second one.

679
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:30.760
I haven't read any of them.

680
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:32.840
So unmasked this is what I read.

681
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:35.639
I think I searched through just to find the victims

682
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.880
so that I could look them up and research the

683
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:39.119
victims for the presentation.

684
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.039
But other than that, I did not actively read that

685
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:41.559
book at all.

686
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:46.320
And like the movie, it's very one point is regard

687
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.840
in regard to the commission of the crimes themselves, where

688
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:55.559
it's trays is on baking Lee ar Lee Arthur ly

689
00:38:55.719 --> 00:39:00.159
L Arthur l is the primary suspect, and basically he

690
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:03.840
concludes that he was Zodiac. But the weird part about it,

691
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.320
I think we talked about it a little last week, is

692
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.239
he starts out the book by calling the suspect in

693
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:13.280
a star Bob Starr or Robert Star, Robert Star. So

694
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:19.880
I don't know something star and st a r R.

695
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:23.199
That's I don't even know that that's a legit name. Yeah,

696
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:28.440
but it's weird.

697
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.079
Why would you do that? Why not just cut to

698
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.840
the chase? Why make up a fake character? And then

699
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:38.039
then then he goes on described Arthur Lee Allen and

700
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:39.920
then what what he's doing at the time, where he

701
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.800
lived at the time, blah blah blah using the pseudonym.

702
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.360
I think because he knew that he was wrong and

703
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.239
he didn't want to get sued, right, he didn't want

704
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:53.280
to get sued for slander information probably.

705
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:57.639
Yeah, But later they go to Arthur Lee Allen.

706
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:01.760
But for the two thousand I'm sure he was probably

707
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.840
one of the consultants along with Tom Voy on that movie.

708
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:05.800
Yeah.

709
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:11.000
Yeah, Well the next letter next, the vital.

710
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.000
Letter, was a consultant. I mean it's based on his books,

711
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:18.239
right right, and he's like the main character. He's the

712
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:19.480
Jake Jillnall character.

713
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:26.719
Oh yes, Robert Graysmith. Yeah yeah, yeah. The final letter

714
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:27.800
for nineteen seventy four.

715
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.559
It is postmarked in sam Rafell on July eighth, nineteen

716
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:36.239
seventy four. The return address on the envelopes was simply RP.

717
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:41.320
In a looping, obviously disguiscript. It was an attack on

718
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:45.840
the Conservative Chronicle columnist Count Markou and it says editor

719
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.920
put Marco back in the hell hole from whence it came.

720
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:53.159
He has a serious psychological disorder, always needs to feel superior.

721
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:56.559
I suggest you refer him to a shrink. Meanwhile, canceled

722
00:40:56.559 --> 00:41:00.000
the Count Marco column. Since the Count can write anonymous,

723
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:05.199
so can I? The Red Phantom read with rage.

724
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.039
I know it says red Phantom, but RP could also.

725
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:12.920
I think that they called the Riverside Phantom for the

726
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:16.480
Sherry Joe Baits stuff, So kind of a double play there.

727
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:21.360
It says San Francisco police have not verified as Zodiac

728
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:26.679
letter since nineteen seventy four. That's a complete lie. Now,

729
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.719
this says circa nineteen eight, ninety eight, nineteen ninety nine.

730
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.000
This is well after the nineteen eighty six letter that

731
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:37.159
Terence Pascal confirms that while it was not shown to

732
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.760
the public, it was definitely decided.

733
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:41.519
Upon having been the Zodiac's writing.

734
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:44.679
And he claimed plus or minus one hundred victims across

735
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:45.960
Nevada and California.

736
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.159
Well, he says one hundred plus.

737
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.400
If I'm reading the hyphen to just mean what the

738
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.920
hyphen means that he's saying one hundred plus.

739
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:54.639
Murders all over California, Nevada.

740
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:58.880
Okay, where did that letter go to? Who received it?

741
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:03.119
Which this one, the latest one, the eighty six one?

742
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.000
Oh, that one went to Sacramento?

743
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:10.840
And why was it ever revealed? Why didn't they?

744
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:12.639
I think they didn't want us to know that he

745
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:13.800
was still out there killing.

746
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:16.079
That's wild.

747
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.880
Yeah, yeah, Dennis gave it to me. It was the

748
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:21.320
first time.

749
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.559
Well, I hadn't really seen any letters other than what

750
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.320
bart Baggett provided to me, which he got I'm sure

751
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:31.000
from tom Boy. But he provided it to me, and

752
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:34.320
then it had explained to me the size of the

753
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.159
letters were actually five by seven really, just kind of

754
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.400
to refute what bart Baggen said that the handwriting on

755
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:43.679
the letters were too large to be Jack And of

756
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.719
course they were presented to me as eight and a

757
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.480
half by eleven's and Dennis said they were not that size.

758
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:50.400
They were more the size of a five by seven.

759
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:53.599
So I made him take me to Terrence Pascal's house

760
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:56.880
here in Sacramento to meet with Terrence Pascal to ask

761
00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:58.880
him questions about the size of the letters, which he

762
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:02.760
confirmed they were all approximately five x seven and that

763
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.559
the nineteen eighty six letter was in fact a Zodiac letter.

764
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.679
They document examiners on the case at the time had

765
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:12.119
determined that it had been written by the Zodiac, which

766
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:16.440
I concur myself after my own examination. But I needed

767
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.840
that information to be told to me by somebody other

768
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:22.320
than Dennis for it to be accepted, and I was

769
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:23.679
capable of getting that done.

770
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.039
And actually Dennis shouldn't even have had that letter.

771
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.719
He told me he literally walked out of Terrence Pascal's

772
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:32.800
house with it. So he'd approached Terrence Pascal requesting that

773
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:35.880
he looked at Jack's handwriting to determine whether or not

774
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:40.199
Jack was the Zodiac, the author of the Zodiac communications,

775
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:44.360
And he says that Terrence Pascal told him, I think

776
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:48.679
eighty five percent match. We don't do percentages, so I

777
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:53.519
don't know why Terrence Pascal would ever say eighty five percent.

778
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:57.920
Match, But Dennis took advantage.

779
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.559
I guess Pascal had stepped out to the room for

780
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:04.159
a second and Dennis swiped that letter. So it was

781
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.480
the first time probably making it out of the hands

782
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:07.639
of a document examiner.

783
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:12.719
Okay, the nineteen seventy eight letter.

784
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:13.639
So this is.

785
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:17.360
A let's see, Well, we've got about three minutes.

786
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:19.400
I could either read this or we could just discuss

787
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.280
what we just did.

788
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:28.119
That's up to you. We'll go in a teal minutes.

789
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:29.679
Why don't you try to get through it?

790
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.599
Oh, I guess you're right. We started a few minutes later.

791
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:35.480
I forgot about that, okay. The nineteen seventy eight letter.

792
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:38.039
On April twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight, a letter to

793
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.599
the San Francisco Chronicle was mailed for either Santa Clair

794
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:43.079
or San Matteo County by someone very familiar with the

795
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:46.840
Zodiacs case and literature. Although this letter was initially thought

796
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:49.480
to be genuine, and though some continue to believe that

797
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:53.519
it was in fact the killer's final message book final

798
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:56.719
Message to the citizens of the Bay Area, the modern

799
00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:00.320
census consensus among law enforcement agents and most researches is

800
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:04.719
that the letter was Counterfeit absolutely not true. The handwriting

801
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.360
on the envelope was recognized by a copy person at

802
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:10.280
the newspaper, and the letter was The letter made its

803
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:14.639
way almost immediately to journalists Duffy Jennings. Jennings had taken

804
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.960
over the Zodiac beat from Paul Avery, who is now

805
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.360
at the San Francisco Examiner. After immediately preserving his scoop.

806
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.239
His scoop with photographs of both the letter and its

807
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:28.199
own envelope, Jennings phone Inspector David Toshi, the only detective

808
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:32.440
working San Francisco's end of the Zodiac case. Tashi was

809
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:36.360
out serving subpoenas, so Jennings had hand delivered the originals

810
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.000
to Hall of Justice, where they were routed instead to

811
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:47.320
Deputy Chief Deputy Chief of Police Clem de Amikas. The

812
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:50.920
letter read, Dear Editor, this is the Zodiac speaking. I

813
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.599
am back with you. Tell irb Kane, I am here.

814
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:56.800
I've always been here. That city pig Tashi is good,

815
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:01.480
but I am rosst Out started to write a word

816
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.199
smarter and better. He will get tired then leave me alone.

817
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:06.400
I'm waiting for a good movie about me. Who will

818
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:08.760
play me? I am now in control of all things.

819
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:14.920
Yours truly crossed the crosshair circle. The number of victims

820
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:19.320
as guests and again SFPD zero, it says. When Tashi

821
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.000
arrived back at headquarters, he was summoned directly to the

822
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:26.119
Amkus's office, where the two men conferred and Tashi was

823
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:27.440
granted custody the letter.

824
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:29.440
Chrwood Moral, the former.

825
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.840
State Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation and handwriting expert

826
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.599
that had authenticated most of the Zodiac letters for Tashi

827
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.000
and the SFPD, had by now retired, and Tashi's first

828
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.639
move was to call John Shimoda of the US Postal

829
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.320
Service Crime Lab to confirm the Zodiac's authorship. It is

830
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:48.159
unclear why Tashi called Shimoda rather than the current chief

831
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:50.800
of the State's Question Document Section, Robert Prouty.

832
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.159
In any case, Shimoda confirmed.

833
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:57.199
It as the Zodiac's handiwork, and Tashi delivered the letter

834
00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:00.599
to a fingerprint expert at SFPD Crime Lab who found

835
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:02.920
no trace of prints or any other useful evidence on

836
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:06.679
the single page or its envelope. So let's keep that

837
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:10.159
in mind, because Shimoda comes back at another point in time,

838
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.119
I think, and declares it as a forgery.

839
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:13.920
So it's interesting to see.

840
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:16.679
In nineteen eight, ninety eight ninety nine from Tom Boyd's

841
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.440
site that Shimoda confirmed it as ZODIAX hands.

842
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.599
Handwork athotic do no prints?

843
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:24.599
Right?

844
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:25.280
Right?

845
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:25.639
Yeah?

846
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:26.280
Absolutely?

847
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.920
Is that the same letter that some people thought Tashi

848
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:31.800
actually wrote.

849
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.719
Yes, he got accused of of right, there was actually

850
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:39.280
two letters in seventy eight. I want to say one

851
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:41.280
to April one May, but I don't know that I

852
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:43.880
have the date on one of them. But they're definitely

853
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.079
from seventy eight. They're very consistent with each other. In fact,

854
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.280
it's almost like one of one of the triplicate forms

855
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.880
of a communication that he sent, like when he sent

856
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.480
the three parts cipher with the same exact letter and

857
00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:00.360
response to Baleo Times, Herald Chronicle and the exact Amateur.

858
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.079
So here we have two mimicking letters that basically are

859
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.800
saying about the same thing, and Tashi gets accused of

860
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:11.159
having written I think he.

861
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:12.800
Had written somebody.

862
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:19.480
Touting himself or pontificating about himself to get some type

863
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:24.639
of recognition. And so somehow they construed these new letters

864
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:25.519
to be his way to.

865
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:26.679
Get back into the limelight.

866
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.199
So he must have forged them so that he could

867
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:30.440
get more action.

868
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:34.079
I don't know, but ultimately he was cleared of responsibility.

869
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:36.760
Yes, yeah, it was not written by him.

870
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:39.719
So it goes on to say, in order to fully

871
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:42.559
understand the controversy that still surrounds this letter, we must

872
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:44.639
take a look at its context. At the time of

873
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:47.400
its receipt at the Chronicle, Inspector Tashi, a twenty five

874
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:50.360
year veteran of the San Francisco Police Department, was probably

875
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:53.079
the most high profile law enforcement agent in the Bay Area.

876
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:56.920
While the charismatic Tashi had many supporters in city government

877
00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:59.360
and the local media, he had also made his share

878
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.239
of enemies, who felt that his flashy demeanor and his

879
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:05.920
yen for publicity was were unprofessional and could lead to

880
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:09.519
a conflict of interest. Further, rumor around city hall had

881
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:13.920
it that Supervisor Dianne Feinstein would tap him as police

882
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:16.679
chief in her bid for the Mayor's seat, and this

883
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:19.719
would certainly mark him as a threat to SFPD Chief

884
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:24.719
Charles Gain and his deputy, Clem Diamikus. In the fall

885
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.880
of nineteen seventy six, the local author and columnist Armistead

886
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:33.000
Maupin had written a serial for The Chronicle about a

887
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:37.960
fictitious SFPD detective chasing an unknown killer similar similar.

888
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:38.280
To the Zodiac.

889
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:44.480
The story's protagonist, Inspector Tandy, received advice and mentoring in

890
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:45.400
the Cereal.

891
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:48.440
From none other than Tashi.

892
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:51.519
At about this time, Mapphain received three note cards from

893
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.679
what appeared to be private citizens complimentary to Tashi and

894
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:57.119
urging that he appeared more often in the story. So

895
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.840
this is what I was saying, this is what Tashi did.

896
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:03.719
A good journalist, Mappin attempted to verify the notes and

897
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:06.639
found that the names did not belong to San Francisco residence.

898
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:08.239
Tashi was well known.

899
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.239
For the short notes he sent to various.

900
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:14.440
Tashi was well known for the short notes he sent

901
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:17.559
to various reporters and politicians, and Mapa began to suspect

902
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:19.920
that it was he who had sent the cards. Seeing

903
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.960
them as harmless, if not entirely honest, Mappin kept the

904
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:25.920
notes under wraps until April nineteen seventy eight, when the

905
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.840
only Zodiac letter to mention Tashi by name arrived at

906
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:33.480
his newspaper, sparking suspicions that Tashi had graduated to some

907
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:34.960
something aken to fraud.

908
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:36.679
Counterfeiting a Zodiac letter.

909
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.039
Moppin and the agent he had hired to publicize an

910
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:43.440
unrelated book, approach Sergeant Jack O'Shea, head of the SFPD

911
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:47.920
Intelligence Unit, with their suspicions. O'sheae and Tashi's bosses, Lieutenant

912
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.719
Jack Jordan, head of the Homicide Bureau, determined that Tashi

913
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:54.559
had written the fan letters, but both men would eventually

914
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:58.679
be disciplined O'Shea more severely for not reporting this knowledge immediately.

915
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.920
Gain has said that he was not told of Tashi's

916
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:06.000
phony letters until late June of nineteen seventy eight, but

917
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:10.760
the late April transfer of two detectives from Special Investigations

918
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:13.519
and the Gang Task Force to the Zodiac case may

919
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:16.320
have been a sign that Tashi was already under suspicion

920
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.920
as the author of the latest letter. Exactly what inspired

921
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:23.679
transpired within the Hall of Justice is unknown, but on

922
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:28.159
July tenth, Chief Gain held a press conference to a very.

923
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:29.199
Good job on Zodiac.

924
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:30.880
What's that.

925
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:34.960
He did a terrible job on the Zodiac case?

926
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.639
All right, We wasn't meant to figure it out.

927
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:40.239
If there's other people controlling the flow.

928
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:44.320
If there's other people, let's say, plants in the police department,

929
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.800
controlling the flow of information and what's allowed to be

930
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:50.320
investigated or allowed to be found out, then what chance

931
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:51.000
did he really have?

932
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.440
And he like because he had such an attitude in

933
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:59.760
her sense of self, he San Francisco basically sees control

934
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:07.320
of the investigation uh at the detriment to Vallejo Police.

935
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:10.920
Oh my gosh, we are way over right now. Hold,

936
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:13.880
I just kept on going. I'm sorry you guys. Everybody

937
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.239
have a wonderful weekend. Thank you for being here, Nolan.

938
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:18.039
We will pick this up where we left off. This

939
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:20.960
is a great conversation. Everybody, take care of peace.