July 10, 2026

Identity is Key, Part 2

Identity is Key, Part 2
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So much to cover on the Finale Letter to Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch. More theories to cryptic messages from the author, and all these letters together really begin to tell a story, a story this author has wanted everyone to know. Bruce Ivins received a very interesting greeting card too, and if there is time, we will go over that.

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show. Nolan del Campo,

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Good morning, everybody. Good morning. How is your week.

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It's been a great week so far. Yeah, golfing later, So.

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The Friday agenda, we know how that works.

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Watching a lot of soccer? What watching a lot of soccer?

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That's still going I guess that's still going on. What

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are they down to now?

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They're down to the seven teams?

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Seven teams?

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Wow?

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Who's still in?

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Yesterday France won, France beating Morocco. Oh really, Today Spain

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plays Belgium.

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And so how many others are left?

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There's beside there's six others aside from France who already advanced.

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Got oh, so they're in what bracket? You would say?

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It's called the quarterfinals?

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Oh, okay, down to seven teams. I might have to

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catch one of those games. I did enjoy it the

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one I caught, or one and a half, I think

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it was that I caught. It's like squirreling.

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Yeah, it's great.

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Yeah.

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If you, if you have ADHD catch these games. I

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tell you what you're like. Zoom zoom, zoom, zoom zoom zoom.

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Oh my goodness. All right, So we had a couple

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of comments on YouTube from Ezra Cubis that I wanted

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to read off. I have some vague memory of what

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he's talking about here, but I say so vague is

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that I believe he and I and Harriet at one

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point in time discuss this him of course through YouTube,

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and then I believe it was he's indicating Harriet and

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I here on the show. But I thought what he

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had to say was rather interesting because I wasn't aware

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of it, or at least Dennis had not spoken to

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me about it that I know of, though It's been

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lots of years since Dennis and I've talked about anything,

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and I really was kind of flooded with so much

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information and you know, letters and things to examine that

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they're lot of times I didn't listen to what Dennis

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was saying, because what mattered was the handwriting. To me,

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you know, stop telling me what you know, Dennis. Let

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me do my job. But this is Ezra's response on YouTube.

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You know, I had read that Dennis had said that

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there was a positive match on one of the stamps

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that had been locked one on one of the Zodiac

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letters to Jack's nephew. I believe it was his nephew,

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who was in prison in early two thousands and would

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have been a kid at the time of the Zodiac murders.

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I believe this was one of the last exciting news

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that Dennis had received before they did. Sorry, what's that?

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Are you having technical difficulties? He says. I believe this

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was one of the last exciting news that Dennis had.

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You are breaking up. It's you, it's you're breaking up

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A he'll be back. I believe this was one of

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the last exciting news that Dennis had received before they

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decided not to pursue the investigation any further. And I

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don't know who he means decided not to pursue the

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investigation whether it was Dennis, But I did not ever

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hear at any given point in time that the FBI

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had discontinued to pursue or decided not to pursue the investigation.

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So he says, if this is true, this is quite

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ironclad proof that he wrote at least one of the letters.

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We know he wrote them all. Maybe you know more

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of this story than I do. I think you've brought

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this up before on your presentation from what I said,

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and Harriet confirmed it. And that's the part that I'm

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saying that I think that I vaguely remember us talking

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about this, and Harriet would have been the confirmation, not

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so much me. Albeit I feel like it's brand new

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information again, so maybe I dismissed this out of my head.

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I know that Dennis had indicated that they had taken

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I think DNA from Chubs, which would have been his uncle,

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so this one. And I'm not sure how it came

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about that the nephew was ever tested, other than his

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DNA would have been in the system, I'm assuming if

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he was in prison. As it goes on to say,

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Kaufman publicly claimed that a relative of Jack Terrence, often

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referred to an online true crime sleuth Circles as a

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nephew was incarcerated in that his DNA was a match

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to a partial DNA profile extracted from this alive on

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the back of one of the Zodiac's envelope stamps. Now

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that's something.

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I dua, bach, Are you freezing up again?

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I hear something? Anyways, So that was part that I

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do believe for them talking about partial DNA match. What's that?

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Can you hear me?

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Now?

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Oh beautiful?

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So I went on to say Kaufman publicly claim that

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a relative of Jack often referred to online true crime

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sluice Circles as a nephew, was incarcerated and that his

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DNA was a match to a partial DNA profile extracted

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from the saliva on the back of one of the

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Zodiac's envelope stamps. That is something I do have a

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vague memory of there being a partial match, but that

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Dennis claimed. The FBI stated they needed to sort out

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the second source, so they needed to figure out who

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that second source was, separate that what was left and

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whether or not that then matched the partial from the Zodiac.

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I is something like that is what's that mixed?

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It might have been mixed saliva.

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Of course it was because they're saying that it was

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a partial so on the back of one blah blah

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blah blah blah, that his DNA was a match to

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a partial DNA profile extracted. So I don't understand if

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he's saying the partial DNA profile was extracted, oh okay

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from the zodiac's envelope, so claiming that there was a

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partial match, but that they had two. I remember this

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in reference to Jack's envelopes going to the FBI, and

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that was that we thought. Dennis thought, should I say

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that the San Francisco PD pooled the DNA from under

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the lip of the envelope with the stamp and ended

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up with two profiles inside of there. But we have

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been told and had known that Jack did the spatoon

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thing right, having people spit in it and then using

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that so we would anticipate anything coming out of Jack's house.

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If that's the way he felt, that makes me sick

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to think about. I'm not gonna lie. That makes me

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a lot of gag just a little. Is using that

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to seal his envelopes and his stamps. So that and

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that the FBI had stated that Bean's two profiles came

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out of that. They needed us. They needed to be

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able to pull one profile from it to see what

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was left to see if that matched the zodiac's profile.

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So, right, he's smart enough to know not to use his.

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Own Yeah, yeah, you know that.

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DNA was a big thing back then. He's smart enough

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to look into the future and see, well, even though

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the technology is not there right now, who knows what

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can happen in the future.

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I better be careful.

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I'm betting the technology was there and he was very.

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Much Yeah, and he probably knew about it too.

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We say developing when we know everything is fifty years

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in advance, just because we as a public don't get

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to see it until a later date, right, I mean,

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who knows how long good testing has been around, And

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that's why he had already known to use spit from

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other people to seal his envelopes. I'm thinking Jack is

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more on the end in the know than we know. Yeah,

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so Aser goes on to say. In Kaufman's theory, this

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proved a familial match to Terrence and he Are argued

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that the nephew would have been a young child during

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the late nineteen sixties, suggesting the child may have licked

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the stamps for his uncle Jack, or that the genetical

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link proved Terrence was the writer. I also heard at

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one point in time that they had matched the zodiac

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DNA on one of the letters to some kid. Now

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again I don't know if that was a false story,

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that was just something they were bringing up, but it

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does go back to you know, where was this kid?

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where you know Jack was. Is there a possibility that

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Jack also used this kid and his saliva? Who knows? Yeah,

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all questions we can't answer. So last week we were

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on the Tim Miller Letter, we were talking about the

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cutouts that are much like the Black Dahlia letters and

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some of the Zodiac letters and other letters that we've

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talked about throughout this presentation. I'm just going to briefly

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read it again real quick for everybody, because we're going

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to talk about some of these points. Says Tim Miller. Boo,

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it's me you're looking for. You have not seen me,

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but I was the last man you're Laura saw on

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many Moore. The police all't get me, I know, sad right,

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The police won't get me for I am too smart,

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and I tampered with the evidence and superfudge works well,

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the silent killer with the silence broken, but my identity

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is still secret, and understanding who is at fault is key.

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It's it's something behind this monster in me that makes

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me kill other Caucasian girls with brown hair. Second in

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the eighty series, Second So Second in the eighty series

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intimates that there's two different crime spreees going on in

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the eighties, and we do have Jack back and forth

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to Texas during that time series or the League Cities

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Field of Death and the hundreds of the I forty

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five deaths, all the ones with brown hair and who

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are white and look enough like her now and then

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some from a convenience store phone. I am not the

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only one killing girls. Tim no Mexican or no yellow.

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I'm not sure, but I'm guessing Chinese. Something ain't killed

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by me. The very first kills in the eighties series

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was some other guy too. So yeah, So he's alluding

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to do two different series in the eighties and and

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that there was a second serial killer out there during

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the first set with him. Okay, I am the one

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kills him. I am something kills and mora will die.

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Some to place on exhibit the publicity, but most are underground.

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Believe she will pay or you are dead wrong. I

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assure that more bodies and bones are to come out,

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the remains to be found. Six sixty six, The Upside

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Down Cross, the Phantom question Mark, too many barrels of fun,

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all the Livelong Day, and the Starfield four can be

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five or six.

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As I recall, there.

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Was a Netflix documentary about this field where a lot

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of young women were buried.

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That were killed, and yeah, Tim Miller was part of it.

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Yeah, where the person I think was abducted from a

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convenience store and there was some evidence of the use

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of the phone.

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So that seems like a direct reference.

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It is. This is in regards this letter is going

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to Tim Miller. His daughter Laura Miller was killed in

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nineteen eighty four. She had gone to a convenience store

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to use a payphone, which I don't understand. Why is

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she using a payphone or having to go to a

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payphone unless they don't have phones in their house at

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this time they don't want her using the phone at

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the house. I can't surmise why she had to go

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to this convenience store, but evidently it was a distance

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from her house, and that was.

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Fourteen had something to do with them not wanting to

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call her boyfriend. She might have had an older boyfriend

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that they didn't like her seeing that that's who she

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was called the.

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House, that's who she was purported to go call. Yes,

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but they were aware that that's what she was going

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to do. So I'm not sure. You know, it's odd, Yeah,

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it's odd. So, yeah, she's evidently last seen at this

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convenience store making this phone call and then never seen again,

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and then subsequently found dad. And you were right the

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the documentary. Now, mind you, this letter is written in

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two thousand and five. I don't believe there's a documentary

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out on these deaths yet, but I think it does

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churn out to be that there's six people, six girls

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that are found in this particular area.

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So when the letter says four or five or can

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be six, is no different than the zodiac saying something

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like one hundred plus, right, keep you guessing. Yeah, So

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here's some of the things that it meant to me

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when I read this letter. This was mailed September twenty

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second of two thousand and five, I did actually figure

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out that the origin. I kept blaming this letter on

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sad Badge, but we've got I've got the URL from

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the person that it came from. I just hadn't hadn't

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advanced that far forward in quite some time to be

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able to see these things. So we'll talk about that

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as well. So I call this the finale letter because

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it sounds like he's taking credit for all kinds of crimes. Again,

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the cutout version. There is a second version that is

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handwritten both of these letters. And these versions went up

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on image shack in two thousand and six, which is

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merely a year withinside of the year probably that Tim

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Miller had received the letter, turned the cutout version over

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to the police, and inside that year they told him

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it went missing after he asked about testing and other things.

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He was trying to figure out what they were doing

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about this letter, and all of a sudden, poof it

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was gone. And on two thousand and six it shows

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up on image shack, not just the cutout version, but

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a secondary version that Tim Miller had never seen, which

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was handwritten. So on these different So if you see

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the L letter on the left hand side, this is

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the line number that I found these references to it

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we're going to talk about. Yeah, so L twenty one

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is going to be line twenty one and twenty two.

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And I found what I called the lift gate flourishes

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which were found in Black Gaulia's writing Jack's nineteen forty

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five Navy photo, and it was this little kickup that

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he did at the end of each letter. So the

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Z would have like little a down and up on

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the bottom left and top I'm sorry, bottom right and

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top left of the Z had what I called the

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lift gate because it looked like you could just lay

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it down and it would be a normal Z line

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one written to the victim's father, which we saw that

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in Sherry Joe Bates. We saw that in the Ramsey

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letter Boo that the vert just to even see Boo,

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it's me that is so zodiac right, a Halloween card

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I even labeled. So if you see a Z thirty

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three through L twenty three, Z thirty three is going

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to be the communication number that I labeled, and L

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twenty three would be the line in which it's found.

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But we are seeing Boo as a ruse by the zodiac.

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He claims to be too smart to get caught. That's

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definitely Zodiac right, covered my fingerprints. I know how to

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write anonymously. We saw him as he as he did

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the Scorpion letters. He says he's tampered with evidence which

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the Zodiac made claims of. He says superfudge works. Well,

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that's a cryptic message all on its own. And of

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course Tim Miller believed it was related to oil. So

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his number one suspect, which I'm really a little confused

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now because he said Clyde, he sued Clyde Hedrick, but

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he said at the same time his PI that came

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out here Bill Young, it indicated that his number one

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suspect was involved with cataloging barrels of what they call

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superfudge in the oil industry, which is the sludge from

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each I guess initial tapping of the ground and then

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they catalog it. And I suppose that's a way for

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them to verify whether or not somebody else comes in

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with that same source, whether or not they're side dapping somebody's.

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Oh well, it's interesting.

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Right, kind of like cataloging the I can't think now

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the anthrax strains, right, they're cataloging where they come from.

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Where they're located at blah blah blah. So superfudge is

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what meant oil to Tim, And that's why I kept

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bringing up that Humble oil reference because we keep seeing

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Humble in these communications as well. It says identity is

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still still a secret, and understanding who is at fault

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is the key? Now. This made me think he's directly

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relating to the tom Voyit letters. I gave you my DNA,

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I gave you my fingerprints. I told you I'm the

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real person. That he likely exchanged information that would have

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been validated as well, I'm sure. But understanding who is

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at fault is the key now. Dennis always talked about

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this key, kept this key around his neck. I never

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knew what this key went to, but he kept saying

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how it had important stuff that was related to the case,

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though I never myself knew what that was. He calls

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himself a monster, so we saw on the tom Voit,

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you know, stuff saying he knew he was a bad

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person at that point in time, right.

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He can't control himself basically.

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Right, well, and he definitely well, it wasn't so much

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I can't control in the tom Boy letters as it

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was he dismissed it by having been on drugs and

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in this underground perverted society. And Da Da Da Da

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da Dah kills Caucasian girls with brown hair who look

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enough like her. And I always wonder, is that Flover

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is that black Dahlia? Was Black Dahlia killed because she

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looked like his mom. We know that he had his

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own mom tattoo with the heart on it, and we

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know that he's put well, and he supposedly had a

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perverse love for his mother where he thought he was

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going to be sharing her bed and be the man

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of the household when his father passed away, until she

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brought her brother in. And I don't know where that

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story would have come from, because would Jack have ever

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openly admitted that to anybody or was that just an

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assumption that Dennis made, You know, I can't Yeah, I

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can't imagine any man saying that I don't want to

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bed down my mom Oedipus, Yeah, definitely. He claims the

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series of killings called the eighty series. I then, you know,

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look back at the Scorpion statement that he started a

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new crimes, even though that is in nineteen ninety one.

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It's the fact that he makes mention as if it's

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not part of who he currently is, right, Like he's

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compartmentalized these crimes, the eighties series and the two different

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eighty series and then the League City Field of Death,

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rather than saying he's just an overall killer of all

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of these things, or this was me for forty years,

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He's like blocking it out into these different references. So

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the Scorpion statement that he started a new crime spree,

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which indicates they're more and not associated. So it makes

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it look like we are different, different killers out there, Texa.

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So I think that I found, at least by identifying

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some of the things in here, that we've got Zodiac,

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we've got the Lipstick, We've got Black Dahlia, Texarcana, Phantom, Scorpion,

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Riverside Phantom, the Red Phantom, Anthrax, and probably more that

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I haven't identified yet, like the six six six and

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the smiley face masks he claims the League City Field

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of Death series killings. He claims the I forty five series.

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It says he would take girls from convenience stores. We

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saw that in the Zodiac confession letter, and he takes

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credit for any killings dealing, retakes no credit for any

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killings dealings with Mexicans or Asians. And what I find

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interesting about that is that that is definitely something that

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Zodiac wanted to be not He did not want to

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be known for crimes he did not commit.

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There have been other.

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Material that has that same reference about not killing Mexican

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or Asian.

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Yeah, whoever it was the BTK, whoever was that blew

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up the police officer on the police station. He did

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not want to be associated with that because he had

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made reference to using bombs in the school bus part

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as Zoda in San.

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Francisco run around the time of Zodiac.

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Right exactly. So he wrote a letter saying that wasn't me.

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So I find it interesting that any killer trying to

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get recognition for what he has done would take the

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time out to say, but this wasn't me, Like, keep

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looking for that person, but don't blame me for it.

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Okay.

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He claims that, well, he.

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Knows about the propensity of law enforcement just to try

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and solve everything at once and blame everything on one guy.

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You know, I mean that Henry Lee Lucas thing was true, right,

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I mean the Texas Rangers attempted to dump two hundred

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crimes around the United States all on him in tool,

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which was literally impossible for him to have done. I mean,

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the man is he's a tool. Both of them are tools. Actually, again,

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somebody who may likely have killed at least one person,

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which I believe Henry Lee Lucas did, but it was

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somebody related to him, and kind of reminds me of

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what is it Edward Wayne Williams in the Atlanta child

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killer spree, Like he also killed one person or dumped

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somebody's body or did something like that, and it was

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an adult and then got blamed. Yeah, and then got

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blamed for all the twenty six children or however in Atlanta.

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That's for sure.

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There's a lot more in all of these yeah. Yeah,

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so claims there were others in the eighty series and

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that he wasn't the only one out there killing. He

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says more will die. This is definitely a zodiac thing.

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On and on and on. There will be more, There

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will be more. This was mentioned in the Riverside Los

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Angeles activity that that had been stubbled onto and it

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makes direct claim to multiple series of killings that have

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been committed. And of course, when we look at the

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nineteen eighty six letter that says one hundred plus. We

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have to take that seriously when we look at the

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numbers that are involved with these crime sprees that I've

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plotted out around the United States. Albeit that letter only

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took claim for California, Nevada. So has he once again

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compartmentalized the activity which you know, California, Nevada has in

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comparison to all these others. Who knows because Nevada and

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California doesn't cover I forty five doesn't cover some of

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these other crime sprees, right.

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And in the interview with Dennis that was on the

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Afrodity Jones show, he admits to over one hundred.

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Yeah, and that's probably based on his memory from the

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last letter that he wrote. He doesn't give us a

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number in this particular communication, but he is giving us

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the crime spreeze, he says, some to place on exhibition

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for the publicity, and that obviously is to get it

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into the newspapers. This is what I've been saying this

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entire time. I instinctively, before even getting involved in this letter,

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knew that the Zodiac was writing letters because or was

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writing he was killing people so that he could write

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the letters and they would make it in to the

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newspaper and the message would get to where it needed

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to get to. So that was kind of a thought

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that I had, not that he wrote because he killed,

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but he killed so that his writings could get in

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the newspaper. And this statement pretty much sums that up

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by saying some to place on exhibition for the publicity.

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He states underground. We did just read about underground in

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Tom Boyd's letters, and there were many mentions of underground

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in the Zodiac stuff. Jack also claimed to have lived

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in caves for some period of his life, and I

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want to think that that was more around the late

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sixties era when he was driving the school bus. Again, underground,

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more bodies and bones are to come out. We actually

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did find out that there were extra teeth, jaw, and

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hand bones that were found in the area where the

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twelve year old murder victim was found in the League

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City Field of Deaths, So there were additional bones from

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other victims that were buried in the same location or

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even in the same graves, so that the killer knew

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where he buried these girls and came back to put

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additional things in there. So if a state is missing

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partial remains, maybe they need to be doing some testing

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since DNA is that great. Now, right on some of

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these bones that have been collected from these crimes breezes,

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and see where these hands came from, or this jaw

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or these other items. I confirmed this goal was donald

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less exactly now. And I wouldn't even think that you

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would need a family member to be able to identify

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it to another body. If you've got a body that's

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missing hands, then why wouldn't you want to tast these

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hands or a body that's missing a jaw or so forth.

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I mean, the remains to be found is another line,

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which basically kind of back to that riverside activity. There's

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a whole lot that or they stumbled onto my activity,

468
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.960
but there's a whole lot more down there. So saying

469
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.279
basically the same thing and the starfield four can be

470
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:18.160
five or six obviously an unusual statement, but I think

471
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.440
that there was a total of six on the documentary.

472
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:24.079
So I put that in here because he's alluding to

473
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:26.559
I mean, four can be five or six, it must

474
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:29.839
mean six, because why play the game? It's just the

475
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:30.960
game he loves to play.

476
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:36.160
Right, six swindles, Right, they were like in the San

477
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:37.119
Diego area.

478
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.640
The guy was a former military right, and.

479
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.880
Then the other couple was on the coast near Longpop

480
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:47.279
Dominius and Edwards yeah.

481
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.200
Yeah, Demus Yeah.

482
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:51.440
Well so, but he's saying this to he's saying this

483
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:56.559
to Tim. Yeah, and he's saying this to Tim Miller,

484
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:58.839
you know. I mean, he's sending this letter to Tim Miller.

485
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:01.880
So the remains, to be fair, would make me feel

486
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.880
like there's something going on in Tim Miller's area, something

487
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:10.960
they haven't stumbled upon yet. Let's see six six six.

488
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.599
I'm not sure what the affiliation for this, other than

489
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.680
Devil's Highway. There is a highway there. I think it's

490
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:24.960
Highway ten one ten. Oh, maybe I have that wrong.

491
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:29.319
Well, six six six is also a Satanic reference, it is.

492
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:32.839
But every reference that he's put in here had a

493
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:36.480
direct link to some crime spree. So calling himself the

494
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:40.319
Phantom twice in this communication led me to think about

495
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:46.039
Texarcana Phantom and the Red Phantom. Obviously, the Red Phantom

496
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:52.359
was in relation to again Zodiac and then Riverside abstract

497
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:56.480
Zodiac symbol, so connection to the Zodiac crimes phantom once

498
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.680
we just talked about that and barrels of Fun in Obviously,

499
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:05.559
that is, that's a Texas so a rodeo reference, right,

500
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:09.720
grabbing barrels of fun, that's like bull riding.

501
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:17.160
Wasn't there a car or something with someone in a barrel? Zoe?

502
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.440
There was a I think it was either a sock

503
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.480
a soy sauce barrel or a sockey barrel that was

504
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:28.119
affiliated to one of the murder victims. I think is

505
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:31.880
the only barrel that I'm aware of, and it might

506
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:35.640
have been. I have to go back. I'm trying Kamela,

507
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:39.799
trying to remember her name. There's so much in this case,

508
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:44.240
Oh my gosh. But it's definitely a Southern reference. Too

509
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.319
many barrels of fun. Also, Tim Miller, that led him

510
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:50.240
back to thinking about the the guy that was doing

511
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:54.480
the cataloging of the oil, because obviously oil is kept

512
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:58.039
in barrels, so he's thinking these references are tying back

513
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.480
when I just see this to be no different than

514
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:08.599
Texar Cana phantom saying take down your bridges, or the

515
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:13.880
zodiac making references that were known to have been found

516
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:18.680
in Lubbock, Texas. So to me, it was just, you know,

517
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.799
he's kind of culturally identifying himself about which location or

518
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:30.599
area he was likely brought up in Let's see all

519
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:34.279
the Livelong Day. That is the famous right song for

520
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:39.079
working on the railroad, right, And we know that texar

521
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:42.559
Can of phantom murder was suspected to have come and

522
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:48.440
left on the on the railroad. Jack definitely talked about

523
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.359
having to escape the police by jumping off of a

524
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.680
train where he injured himself, and that that was a

525
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:57.759
way he got around back in that day, and he

526
00:30:57.799 --> 00:30:59.799
had made it to twenty eight different states by the

527
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:04.960
time I think he was fourteen or sixteen, I mean

528
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:08.559
it was relatively young, but he was hopping trains and

529
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:11.839
going to places. And my grandfather talked about having done

530
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:16.519
this him being born in nineteen twenty three and basically

531
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:21.920
being abandoned by his family. Him and his brother would

532
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:26.759
hop trains and go to local not local obviously, go

533
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.240
to farms and places like that to offer help for

534
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:34.039
food and the stay. So that may exactly that may

535
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.359
have been what Jack was doing. And we do have

536
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:40.359
victims in the Texarkana phantom spree that appeared to have

537
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.240
taken somebody in because Jack talks about the pig farm

538
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.000
where he fried all the pigs while the owners were

539
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:54.839
off to town. You remember that one. He basically he

540
00:31:54.960 --> 00:32:01.359
hot wied, he hot wired the trough's so called them

541
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.440
in to feed and then they it's I think it's

542
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.440
on the Aphrodite Show where he talks about having done

543
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:11.400
this and he chuckles, he chuckles, this eerie chuckle when

544
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.720
he said. Needless to say, I wasn't there when they

545
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.000
got home, so he clearly had been brought on as

546
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.279
a hand to assist around the farm, and while they

547
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.799
were gone he hated these pigs because they were knocking

548
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:24.759
him down. Kind of reminds me of one of those

549
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.440
old Western movies where the kid is inside the pig

550
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.720
pen and they're messing them up. Because Jack, I guess,

551
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.480
was a smaller person, you know, at the time, so

552
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.279
very upset with these pigs, so he hot wired the trough,

553
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:40.599
called them in to feed, and then zapped them all

554
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:43.720
dead animals.

555
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:46.160
People aunderestimate the intelligence of pigs.

556
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:48.119
Yeah, they probably didn't like Jack.

557
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.480
What I've heard too, they have really good memories, kind

558
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:56.119
of like elephants that like, if you abuse them or

559
00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:01.279
do something that they don't like. No year ago, months ago,

560
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:03.720
they remember, and they don't like you. They get an

561
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:04.599
attitude toward you.

562
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:12.799
They're grudge holders. Yes, so it's also a poetic reference.

563
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.119
I mean, obviously if he's going thrown down with all

564
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:18.279
the livelong day, we've got the poem type references like

565
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:20.480
we saw in the Red Phantom. In the Zodiac, the

566
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.960
cutout version is connecting to black Dahlia in Zodiac, the

567
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:27.720
description of the type of girls that Jack killed as

568
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:32.240
a description of black Dahlia. And so many more of

569
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:36.400
these unsolved murders, some taken from the convenience store phone

570
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.920
we talked about that mentioned of some other guy too

571
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.119
statement about being for public and those are underground. I

572
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.480
feel like I had already gone through one.

573
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:46.480
More note about pigs.

574
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:50.960
When they were developing atomic and hydrogen weapons and they

575
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:54.720
were testing in the Nevada desert, they would use pigs

576
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:58.000
as guinea pigs, and you know, some would die and

577
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.759
they would see what the effects were, and then others

578
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.119
they would just test the radiation.

579
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:03.720
Yeah.

580
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:08.519
Gross, Yeah, it's terrible. There's a movie called Atomic Cafe

581
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:12.800
and it shows scenes of these pigs dying and oh

582
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:18.039
and getting tortured. Basically yeah.

583
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:22.000
Yeah, well so so I was skipping over a bit

584
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.519
of this, but thinking to myself, like the mention of

585
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:27.320
some other guy too. There's been mentioned of more than

586
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.480
one person involved, starting in the Oakland County child killer

587
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.440
with John Benny Ramsay with the Anthrax letters, and now

588
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.119
in the finale letter he's talking about other people being

589
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.960
a part the statement about some victims being for public

590
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:44.599
view and others underground, which Zodiac and tom Boyight letters discussed,

591
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:48.440
but some victims like Dagnan were actually put underground. She

592
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:53.440
was put into drainage, uh water drainage and that was

593
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:58.320
a Chicago yeah, and her part, her body parts were

594
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:04.039
found in these drainage ditches as they left the crime scene,

595
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.679
so basically finding the first ones close to home and

596
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.079
then the next ones and the next draining all the

597
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:13.599
way to the railroad or to the train station, so

598
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.239
basically showing his exit, just like Texarkana Fantom where they

599
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:19.880
suspected that he made his exit on the train.

600
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.599
In the body of one of the victims in the

601
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.679
Black Dahlia series of crimes, because it wasn't just her

602
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.920
Elizabeth Short, there was right for seven girls that got

603
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.719
killed and one of the bodies was found on Degnan

604
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:32.679
Street in.

605
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:34.639
La Black Dahlias.

606
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.400
Was yeah, okay, okay, there you go.

607
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:42.119
Yeah, and then of course Degnan her body parts were

608
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.480
found on Hollywood Boulevard in Chicago, Illinois.

609
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:46.400
Wow.

610
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.880
Right, So the cross referencing to the clues, he says,

611
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:54.719
you can find you can look at my clues.

612
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:55.400
A lot of out there. Yeah, that's for sure.

613
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.320
Yeah. So Tim Miller is referenced in this letter more

614
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.960
than once, just like John Bunny Ramsey letter with him

615
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.800
referring to John. You know, John grows some good common

616
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.320
Southern Southern common sense. See I'm not I'm not from

617
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.920
the South. Obviously I don't know these references as well.

618
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:16.559
But he does call John more than once in in

619
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.880
the actual letter is if he knows him personally. My

620
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.119
understanding of Superfudge the first thing that popped up when

621
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:26.159
I looked at it. It's a child's book authored by

622
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:29.400
Judy Bloom in Humble, Texas. So I think this is

623
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:33.280
a direct relink link right back to Humble. Right, And

624
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:36.679
we see Tom Humble is the address on this letter

625
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:42.239
to Tim Miller. We see Zodiac Killer telling Tom voight

626
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:47.920
my Humble offer. So he's again making these tie acts.

627
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.000
Note the connection to the return address on this letter,

628
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.159
Tom Humble. So this is the consistent with anthrax use

629
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.199
of the return address, and the Anthrax return address was

630
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.400
a fourth grader. So the fact that this is a

631
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:03.559
child's book authored by Judy Bloom, it talks about a

632
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:08.039
fourth grader and he's called Superfudge. So again I see

633
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.840
it as a link to the Anthrax mailings, while Tim

634
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:14.440
sees it as a link to oil. So there's a

635
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.800
reference to being smart, just like the Zodiac Scorpion John

636
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:22.360
Benny Ramsey case and in Tom Voit's stuff silent killer.

637
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.079
Understanding who is at fault is the key. So Dennis

638
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:26.880
tried to tell Jack in two thousand and five that

639
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:29.000
no one believed that he was the Zodiac, and after

640
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.039
mailing the evidence to Tom Voight, he still didn't get

641
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:34.559
the recognition. I think Jack was looking for, which we

642
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.920
know that the Zodiac also longed for as well. So

643
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.840
it again, the timing of this is absolutely amazing. We're

644
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:45.440
talking less than two years after and who knows, tom

645
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:48.480
boit may have more letters. I hardly believe that the

646
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.559
Zodiac quit after just two We're just not being shown.

647
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:55.960
I don't think what it is. So that's why the

648
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:58.719
Humble Oil and Refining Company ended up in here. Because

649
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:01.000
of course, anything that I'd read surged in regards to

650
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.559
Superfudge and Humble and stuff is going to keep coming back,

651
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:08.000
and again it relates to Humble, Texas, which is on

652
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:13.880
the outskirts of Bush International Airport. So once I discovered

653
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:19.000
all of these different characteristics in Tim's letter, I reached

654
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:21.039
out and I spoke with him and I told him

655
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.280
what I'd found. He found this information interesting enough that

656
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.119
he and Steph Watts, which was his videographer, came out

657
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:32.280
here to Sacramento and spent a few days going through

658
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.400
Jack's shed, or at least well Dennis's at this point,

659
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:38.880
but it was Jack's belongings. This is where we discovered

660
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:40.880
because Tim was pretty sure that there was no way

661
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:43.000
if Jack was living in Washington, that he could have

662
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.639
been in Texas in September to have mailed it, and

663
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.440
that it was mailed from a zip code next door

664
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:54.639
to where it was mailed, which was Dickinson, Texas. And

665
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.960
then we were going through stuff and stumbled across some

666
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.800
letters and things from Crystal, which was Charles's girlfriend. And

667
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:05.360
Charles is the youngest son of Jack Terrence, and she

668
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.079
was from that zip code, and of course that's where

669
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:10.679
her father lived and her father was one of Jack's

670
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:14.800
best friends, so we had proximity to the actual zip code,

671
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.039
in which case the letter was mailed out of to

672
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:17.840
Tim Miller.

673
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:22.400
So real quick on Humble Oil in the history of

674
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:27.840
its links to California, Northern California exactly build a refinery

675
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:32.440
in the Santa Cruz Moss Landing. It's between Santa Cruz

676
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:37.119
and Monterey and near Salinas, and but the public didn't

677
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.440
want it there, so they finally decided to build it

678
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.079
in Venetia, which.

679
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:42.400
Is right.

680
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:46.920
Straight Zodiac territory.

681
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.400
And of course we have yeah, Lake Herman Road, which

682
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:55.840
is right right Asia with whatever might be going on,

683
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:57.440
that's why it stayed.

684
00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.119
In right down on the street.

685
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:03.960
Yeah, there was enough what is that six degrees that

686
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:09.000
I kept humbling here. So basically, while Tim Miller and

687
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:12.639
Steph Watts was out here, they proceeded to tell me

688
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.840
at one point in the evening, after we had laid

689
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.000
out all these pictures and evidence and things, Dennis had

690
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:23.840
related I think some a few like maybe ten fifteen

691
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:28.280
pictures to Texas during timeframes and which girls went missing

692
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.400
and were found dead. And then I continued on with

693
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:34.719
that looking through other pictures to determine if there were

694
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.360
other times Jack was out there that we could substantiate,

695
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.760
and I found even more so, we had a really

696
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.719
good stack of pictures that put Jack in that area

697
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.360
during those times. And at one point in time in

698
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.280
the evening, I think it was Steph Watts that told

699
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.880
me that Dennis tried to sell them the victim's IDs,

700
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:56.039
and I lost my junk because obviously I wasn't in this.

701
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.800
For Dennis to be making money and trying to sell

702
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.800
off evidence just seemed rather wrong to me. Dennis and

703
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:06.599
I ended up arguing. He did tell me later, after

704
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.159
you know, everything settled down, that he never offered to

705
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:11.480
sell that. So he's making it sound like it was

706
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.159
a ploy for them to instigate a fight between the

707
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:18.320
two of us, to try and break us up, if

708
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:24.679
you will, in the sense of client examiner. Either way,

709
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.320
it wasn't long after that Tim Miller paid for Dennis

710
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.239
to go back to Texas so that they could go stearch,

711
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:35.559
I guess, for some things and evidence, and one of

712
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.800
the places they went to was to Jack's ant's house.

713
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.320
When they got there, she confirmed that Jack was in

714
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:46.440
fact in Texas. In September of two thousand and five.

715
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:49.239
He was there looking for boxes he had asked her

716
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.320
to keep for him, which he's notorious for having storage

717
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.119
sheds all over the place, So this must have been

718
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.159
pretty important if he's going to house it with a

719
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:59.239
family member because he doesn't want to ever lose track

720
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.519
of it. But when he gets back, he finds out

721
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.079
that she has discarded them because she thought she'd never

722
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:08.079
see him again. What she's got to be up in age,

723
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.239
I would think at this point too, because if Jack

724
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:15.480
is in his seventies, yeah, yeah, and this is his aunt,

725
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.800
she's got to be rather old. And then after this

726
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:24.079
whole entire thing with Dennis out there finding out Jack

727
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:27.119
yes was in Texas September two thousand and five, that

728
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:29.840
gave him proximity for this letter. And we know that

729
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:33.159
Charles's girlfriend was also living at that point in time

730
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:38.159
in Texas. So at some point, well after a few

731
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:43.480
years after, Tim Miller sends out Bill Young, whose former

732
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.239
law enforcement for League City I believe, and he's now

733
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.360
a private investigator who's been working with Tim on his

734
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:53.000
daughter's case, and he actually asks me to do Clyde

735
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:57.039
Hedrick's handwriting. I did it. It was not a match.

736
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.679
I showed him why it wasn't a match, but Tim Miller,

737
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:05.840
you know, still sued him in the end, even after

738
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.320
I gave him that information and another.

739
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:13.880
That had the little mini ranch nearby, and he was

740
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:15.559
on the documentary as well.

741
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.000
That was able, I believe.

742
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:21.480
Okay, Robert Abel Yeah.

743
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:24.639
Okay, he had the horses and helped him search and

744
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.400
do the things. At another point in time, Tim Miller

745
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.559
had went to his daughter's grave and found DVDs with

746
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:37.679
x x X written on it, obviously of sexual and nature,

747
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.880
because that's what XXX meant back then. And I don't

748
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:45.920
recall if he ever attempted to watch him, if he

749
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.199
turned them over to law enforcement, but he found him

750
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:51.000
on Laura's grave. What I thought was interesting is that

751
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:54.400
lo and behold in Jack's belongings. I also found DVD's

752
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:56.920
that were marked x x X on them as well,

753
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.440
and we couldn't obtain any images off of them, and

754
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:02.000
no matter how we tried to play them, either they

755
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.639
were just really old technology that didn't work with our

756
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.840
newer technology, or they were corrupted from having been in

757
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:15.280
storage sheds. Either way, Jack is aware that no one

758
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.639
wants to buy that he is Zodiac. So this makes

759
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:19.840
sense for this letter to have come out at this time.

760
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:21.800
You know, it's two thousand and five. Jack is not

761
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.679
doing well. He's definitely ailing. He's got congestive heart failure,

762
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.760
and he's literally about a year away obviously September two

763
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.519
thousand and five. He dies in August two thousand and six.

764
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:36.119
He's less than a year away from his mortality, which

765
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:41.760
he takes is on his own hands. The fact that

766
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:44.480
more to be found is something said by almost all

767
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:47.639
the suspects in the crimes that we have writing involved with.

768
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:52.199
There will be more. This is a constant theme. Too

769
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.360
many barrels of fun is not only a Southern reference

770
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:56.440
to oh I did write to Rodeo, but also the

771
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:58.920
same attitude of having fun with law enforcement, just like

772
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:02.880
Black Dahlia, Zodia and the Scorpion barrels could support Tim's

773
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.320
reference to superfudge being the sledge and the barrels that

774
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.760
make oil. But if Hedrick was in charge of cataloging

775
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.039
these barrels, how did he become indigent? I mean, if

776
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:14.000
you saw, we saw the picture of him that he

777
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:17.719
made the newspaper over. He has no teeth. He looks

778
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.360
like he's an old school tweaker, and at one point

779
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.480
in time after so I just barely started the present

780
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.719
the podcast, Tim reached out to me and asked me

781
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:32.639
to that, do you still feel that Jack is the

782
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:35.800
author of the Zodiac letters? And I said, yes, Tim,

783
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.559
that's never changed, you know, fourteen fifteen years going strong.

784
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:42.599
I don't. I haven't seen a better match than Jack.

785
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.320
But I think that he was wanting one last shot

786
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:49.400
at whether or not I mean he wants to believe

787
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:52.960
that Clyde Hedrick is the court of public Oh, I

788
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:55.480
say court of public opinion. Really it was a court

789
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:59.639
that found him guilty or negligible for her homicide and

790
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.760
awarded him something like fourteen million dollars. But if you

791
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.960
saw him with no teeth in his mouth, he ain't

792
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.360
gonna get a penny. So I'm wondering at this point

793
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:11.119
if he's just rationalizing that he made a mistake, he

794
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:14.199
should have gone this avenue the entire time. And more

795
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.320
that I research and go over these things, the more

796
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.079
it points back to the same person. And Clyde Heddrick

797
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:23.079
could never have been the Zodiac right, So all the

798
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:24.639
live long days of references.

799
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:28.800
May we have been in on what happened in Texas.

800
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.000
We don't know, but I don't think he wasn't the killer.

801
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.400
Well, and I don't know any affiliation between him and

802
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:41.760
Jack to say anything. Otherwise, I haven't seen his name

803
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:44.760
mentioned in anything. If that had popped up, then I

804
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:47.519
might have been like, WHOA, we've got team involvement. But

805
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:53.199
so there's also handwritten side of the or handwritten side. Sorry,

806
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:56.920
there's also the envelope side of the actual communication. So

807
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:58.800
you have to think about this in terms of what

808
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.519
the Zodiac used to do. He would write his letter,

809
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:05.320
then fold it up accordingly so that the outside of

810
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:10.079
the blank page would become the envelope itself, and then

811
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.039
he would address that. So it's the way he folded

812
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.159
his letters, and it's the way he used the letters themselves.

813
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:19.039
This was quite similar in the fact that the backside

814
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:22.360
of the letter turns out to be trifolded and then

815
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.199
is used to create the envelope for the mailing of

816
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:27.159
this letter. And I remember back in the day when

817
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:29.760
you could do that right, You could trifold anything. As

818
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.800
long as it was letter size, you could stamp it

819
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:33.880
and mail it. It didn't need an envelope as long

820
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:36.320
as it was addressed properly and had the proper postage.

821
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.480
Wow, I've never done that, and.

822
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.519
Yeah, most people don't. They don't want the stuff to

823
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:48.679
be seen on the inside. So basically on the backside

824
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:55.920
of this, there were words that said attack neighbors, accessible, railway, rural, serious, suspense, vulnerability.

825
00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:59.639
You could look for my clues photo and we know

826
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.000
jam Jack had roles of film. In fact, one of

827
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.559
the things we'll see here shortly and probably not today,

828
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:08.119
but is the evidence of the blob on the film

829
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:10.480
that I think History Channel wants to talk about as

830
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:15.719
to why Dennis was crazy or something. Tom Humble and Superfudge,

831
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:19.639
we got League City, so it's addressed it to Tom Humble.

832
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:26.039
We're down to about our minute twenty five second mark

833
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:30.199
here talks about League City, Texas. No use of the

834
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:33.519
commerce separation of city and state. We've got the word mystery.

835
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.400
More projects to come, and then he talks about the

836
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.159
fuller NASA Horseman able is not the devil salt by

837
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:43.679
the League City blue fuzz so obviously blue being one

838
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.320
of the adjectives that the Zodiac Killer liked to use

839
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:53.360
for the cops, right, blue pigs pretty much the blue meanies,

840
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:56.519
the blue pigs. Yeah, so it again is just another

841
00:48:56.719 --> 00:49:04.000
reference to something that the Zodiac had said Officer Pat Cereal.

842
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:06.960
I'm not sure who this is, but they talked about profiling,

843
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:11.480
so he's wrong in profiling NASA horseman able and we

844
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.840
see the phantom again. My m O changes clearly a

845
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.360
zodiac statement, and then the six to six' six is found.

846
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:20.800
So here's kind of just a brief look as we

847
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.519
wrap up the last couple seconds of this. I hope

848
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:27.880
everybody had a wonderful Fourth of July last weekend, and

849
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.800
I thank you Nolan for being here again today. Is

850
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:32.880
there anything you'd like to add before we head out?

851
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:36.760
Now, just have a wonderful weekend you and everyone else.

852
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:38.519
You have a great game golfing.

853
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:41.800
Oh yes, you have a great weekend.

854
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:43.559
Right.

855
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:45.519
We'll see you next Friday. Take care,