June 26, 2026

Zodiac Killer Writes Tom Voigt???

Zodiac Killer Writes Tom Voigt???
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2000 Dennis turns Jack into the FBI for the Zodiac Killer attacks. By 2002 Dennis doesn’t feel he is being taken seriously, and tells Jack who then turns over his belongings in a shed in AZ to Dennis, and very coincidentally Tom Voigt receives a letter providing DNA and fingerprints. Another letter in 2003 claims Tom should know he is the real deal. This is Zodiac persona to want to tell the story and for them to get it right. Who would do this if DNA and fingerprints didn’t match?

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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome Nolan del Campo to the show

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this morning.

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Good morning, everybody.

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Good morning. So you were telling me about this new book.

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Do you know who wrote it?

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Yeah, it's new to me. It's it's it's a few

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years old. But it's just really a synopsis of the

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veriest zodiac attributed murders and whatnot. And you know, it

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goes to each one's not much detail and doesn't come

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to any new conclusions. But it's a good little review,

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you know, just it's a good you know, to refresh

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your memory on dates and times and people and names.

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You said, it's still mentioning Arthur Lee. Allen said that

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he was.

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A prime suspect, but then it says he was exonerated

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after he died, blah blah blah.

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So why after he died? Yeah, believe the letter in

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his hand. Yeah, that says I'm not the Zodiac.

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And it doesn't mentioned Jack for one. Right. It also

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mentions Deborah Perez but says she was you know, that

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was false. You know, she was crying wolf or whatever.

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And it goes as a lot about the Kathleen Johns

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stuff that we talked about a week or two ago, right.

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Right, Well, it's always interesting to note that there's somebody

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on my side when it comes to that whole Deba

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Perez thing. And I get it. We're just so used

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to seeing them throw out these false suspects, and I'm

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just shocked by the way they're received by the media

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and by the SFPD when they were handed Jack and

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didn't even so much as flinch or you know, look

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at that evidence, or I guess, as Dennis would say,

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they just round filed it. So what was the purpose?

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Why do we choose one false suspect to you know

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ingratiate with investigative time, and then another where they're active

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evidence that supports this person has the background, the capabilities,

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the persona, the handwriting matches. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all of

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it that.

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You mentioned that because there's a picture of demops that

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are press conference and he's got all these guys in

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suits around are looking so serious like yeah, and you know,

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and it's just a joke, you know. And that was her.

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It was covered by all the big stations in the

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area and all the paper. Yeah, it was made a

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lot of news, but it wasn't right. It wasn't correct.

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Got them underlie, all right? So I had Ezra Cubis

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on YouTube comment why was it that the cops did

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not want black doll you to be salved? Which I

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used to think the same thing when I went into this.

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I thought this was let's blame the cops for the

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bad job, and let's blame the cops for not doing

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what they should have done. And I mean, I obviously

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still sit here today and say SFPD didn't actively investigate

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Jack Terrence like they should have. But it's not so

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much I think that they didn't want it solved. I

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think that their capability to solve it and that may

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be due to well my response here is, as I said,

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I don't believe the cops didn't want it solved. I

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believe there could have been an operative in the group,

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steering people in the wrong direction to assist in the

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success of something larger than a serial killer. Most cops

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were not trained or prepared for this behavior. And honestly speaking,

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back then, mob killings were all they were really familiar with,

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and one should ask why so many of those weren't

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solved and maybe cross connect the abilities for people to

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kill with immunity like the mob. You know how many people?

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I think they may were, some of them higher ups

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in the department that we're keeping things suppressed well did though?

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Who some of the people involved? For instance, I think

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Hodell was involved. Now was he the killer, I don't know,

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but I think he was involved. And uh, the Hoodel

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at the time was running an abortion clinic and many

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of the high ringing cops would have their mistresses go

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to Hodel to get their abortions.

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Okay, it dirty back then, including.

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The cops have been dirty forever. Right back then, you know,

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university was the LA Confidential and movies like that zoot

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Suit involving murderers of Mexican kids back in the day.

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This is all forties and fifties stuff.

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Well, and it's just crazy what they glorify in the media,

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whether it's by movies or documentaries or you know, allowing

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some of these people who have turned over States evidence

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to have immunity so they can climb on TV later

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and say how they killed people and proof I'm still here,

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living and free.

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And I think Maxwell is hoping if she just keeps

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her mouth shut, then at the end of Trump's churney,

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He's going to partner or have her sentence commuted or something.

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That's what she's do you think, I mean, I would

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be absolutely flabbergasted if that's something that he does, absolutely flabbergasted.

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Well, she would have to do a vow of silence. Yep.

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There's always something in exchange and it is all about

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who you know, right, But how could how could he

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exonerate her when she was the one providing all the girls.

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It just I a pardon, I think just America.

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She was his right hand woman, Epstein's right hand woman.

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So if Trump did anywhere ship, she would know about it. Yeah.

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Again, why haven't we.

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Seen the royals Britain and some of these the rich

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people Clinton who knows what actually went down? But the

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one person that may is Maxwell.

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It just blows my mind. We still haven't seen not

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even so much as one arrest. Right, I don't even

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understand why opening the files if you guys aren't going

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to do anything about it.

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And I don't think Epstein committed suicide.

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No, no, no, no, no death.

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That he's in a different country with a plastic surgery,

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or the cops killed him, or someone on the inside

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killed right right, politically motivaty, I don't think he committed.

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Suside, yeah, I don't. I don't think his father believes

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that either, And based on that pathologist, they believe that

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he was being Yeah, that he was suicidal. I guess

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if you will, Oh, the whole thing. It just just yeah,

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it just rots your mind to think about what people

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can get away with and do. And like you said, well,

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what if he did just make his death? I wondered

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about that too, Like what did they just faked it?

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And you know, now he's off somewhere else doing whatever.

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I don't know.

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Yes, the suiciding, that's all a lot of the people

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they're either witnesses or participants or have theories and how

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to solve the Kennedy assassination were suicidal, right, Well, yeah,

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For instance, George de moorn Schildt, he was an oil engineer,

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had ties to Haiti, Dominican Republic. He was hart Lee

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Harvey Oswald's CIA contact in Dallas, and he spoke Russian

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and his wife spoke Russian. So they were befriended. Marina. Well,

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after the assassination, after you know, everyone's dead, Ruby's dead.

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In sixty seven, he's this author Epstein, No relation, his

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second book, Look on the JFK assassination, and he goes

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to interview Demorin's chill and I think it's in Florida

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at this point, and they talked for a couple of hours.

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This is I need to come back tomorrow. I need

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to get more info. This is you got a lot

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of good info. Well, he got killed later that night,

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and they said he sot himself with a shotgun. But

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he was murdered, but they called it. They called it suicide.

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A lot of the killings in uh, you know, people

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affiliated or suicides like yeah, several women.

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I want to say, when I think that Dennis was

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set to meet with Kathleen John's I believe it was

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in Sonoma County and the FBI put him up in

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a hotel somewhere in the area because they were going

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to be meeting with her the next day. And she

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suddenly had a heart attack that night.

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Did she die?

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Yes?

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Really? Yes? That crazy?

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Was it Kathleen johnsoning to go back and look, But

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I thought that yeah, I thought she was supposed to

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be taking pictures of Jack to her to get to

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get her to make identification, to see if she could

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tell if that was who was driving her around. And

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I have to go back, but I'm pretty sure it

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was her.

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Yeah, well, her family lived in Palo Yeah.

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sister and and so forth, and they were wanting to

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meet up with her and show her a picture and

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and yeah, the he got a call from Chris Hopkins

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the next morning and saying she passed away, she had

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a heart attack and died.

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Well, she'd already identified that uh as the person who abducted.

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Her, right right right.

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When she when she went to report to the police.

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Correct, But now showing her a live picture because we

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have a suspect.

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To look at, yeah, that would be that.

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Would have been an easy clothes for this case. So

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one has to ask what happened? Did the stress get

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to her? You know what I'm saying, like, I don't,

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I really don't know. Well, back to this whole Tom

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Boy crazy timing.

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That's too much of a coincidence.

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Well, and it's as crazy as the coincidence of these

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new letters we're going to talk about as well here.

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So Jack turns Dennis or Dennis turns Jack in in

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two thousand. In two thousand and two, the DNA has

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been ran, and Dennis finds out that Jack wasn't included,

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even though he had provided the DNA and envelopes with

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Jack's DNA on it to the SFPD. And Dennis goes

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back to Jack and says, nobody believes me. Everybody's round

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filing your stuff. They're not taking me seriously. I can't

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get anybody to pay attention. They don't think I'm telling

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the truth. Dennis or Jack then gives Dennis the rights

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to his belongings in the shed in Arizona, which, of

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course the PA system, the eaton bond for different pieces

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of evidence that were brought to light at that point

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comes about. And then we see this letter in November

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of two thousand and two to Tom Voight trying to

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get notice.

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Basically, one point I want to make when it comes

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to Zodiac fingerprint evidence in DNA evidence may not tell

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the whole story. Who knows who licked the envelopes? And

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we know that Jack said I have ways of disguising

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my fingertips an airplane glue or whatever. So he's not

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going to leave a good prayer. He's too smart to anyway.

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I would think so. But even then, at some point

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in time, you have to wonder whether or not. Well,

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they did get a palm print, I believe, right, who

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had the palm print?

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Well it's a paulprit that they didn't say whose it was,

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but it's a palm brit. Yeah, well start on the cat.

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True. That true? That, yes, But Sonoma County was in

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possession of a palm print of Jack. So we're I

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don't even know if any of this evidence exists anymore.

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And you can't get people to talk to you about

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it because if you go to the police, they say

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it's an open case, we can't discuss it with you. Well,

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then why is everything being discussed with Tom Voyd?

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Right? And Sonoma, Solana and Sarah Snow Counties were different jurisdictions,

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and they were all jealous of each other. They didn't

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want the other charagy to be the one that solves Odia.

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I just feel like it was more than that. That's

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that goes back to that suppression of evidence and cover

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up and everything else that we see that's happening, and

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then putting forth of all these false suspects. But so

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this is a letter that comes out to Tom boyd.

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So again we have the timing right two thousand to

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two thousand and two. We see the road that is

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being traveled by Dennis and Jack's willingness to participate and

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assist in the information for Dennis, and Dennis is complaining

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he's having problems with Tom Voight, and I guess, and

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then all of a sudden, right, so this happens to

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be the time Dennis is having problems with Tom Voight

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and they start to have a falling out and these

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letters show up to Tom Voight. I just I can't

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get over that as a coincidence, right, Like, oh, just

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a mere coincidence. Yeah, just a mere coincidence. And like

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we were talking last week, I have included a lot

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of these characteristics into the handwriting examination. Tom Voight says

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this letter was not from the zodiac. This is, in

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his words, I guess a hoax, if you will. I'm

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showing this letter to Dennis, and I purposely tried to

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do it out of the presence of Charles. So he

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went off to get something to drink at the front

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end of my house. I'm back in the office with Dennis.

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I'm showing him these letters, asking him what he thinks

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about them. He doesn't recognize this handwriting. It's Charles who

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walks in and says, where'd you get my dad's handwriting?

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And I'm like, what, Like, that's so very and so

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it wasn't as if he knew why I even addressing

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these letters with Dennis. I wasn't claiming that Jack wrote them.

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At this point. They were brand new. I just found them.

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So that and so I'm gonna roll with this message

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that So this, let's see if I can find the

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package real quick. So here is the package that came

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with the envelope. And we have fingerprints that are sent

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in and evidently DNA. So this stuff is all accompanying

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the letter that I'm about to read. And so it says,

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dear editor, this is the Zodiac speaking, this is the

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way I used to address myself to the editor of

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the San Francisco Chronicle. No longer is this necessary, for

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I'm not that person anymore. I have changed still the

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interest as to the events. As to the events, there's

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that fussy fussiness that we see as to the events

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I perpetrated on an unsuspected public. Are alive and well

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after thirty years. Sorry, some say I must be dead.

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Others have a multitude of theories as to my deadmise. Again,

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as to my demise, he's that that fussy references that

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we see the Zodiac making. The truth is I'm very

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much alive, and I am enclosing evidence in this correspondence

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to match DNA and prints on file and in quantico

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for this individual to So this is where I say,

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when when the Zodiac talks about being smarter than the CIA,

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and smarter than the police, and smarter than pretty much

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everybody else, he knows exactly where they need to send

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this evidence to. And I find that interesting. It says,

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I am.

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Those where the FBI main lab is.

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Right, right. But the FBI discontinued any investigation into the

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Zodiac in nineteen ninety one, So why would if you? Yeah,

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if anything was sent there, then it's usually probably forwarded

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right back to San Francisco. So it says, I am

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writing now to share a missing link in the Zodiac

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Killer's profile, one that all the compounded theories has not

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yet touched upon, and a probability that my conscience compels

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me to know. This is not to diminish the horrible

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acts I perpetrated, it can't, but to supply the truth

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to set me free from a delusion that I may

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have only been hallucinating hallucinating. I was the Zodiac hallucinating.

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So I think that that comes along with the whole

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MK ultra mind control, hypnosis, these types of things. So yeah,

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he's saying the right things at this point. It says,

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in those years I was on LSD and heroin addict

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with a taste for the bizarre, subcultural and underground lifestyles.

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I would have brownouts of consciousness that could literally last

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for days. In that state, I experienced the graphic deeds

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of the Zodiac Killer as if I was an observer,

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not the perpetrator. When I regained my senses and the

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high was over, a momentary state between trips and fixes.

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I would, Oh, some of this is hard to read.

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I would sending my recollections with those around me. Oh,

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I would share my recollections with those around me who

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were pretty much in the same state as I. They

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as well as well as I would be blown away

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to then see in the news the very events I

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had described hours earlier my peers, And so this is

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almost as if he's bragatory about it. He's talking to people,

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talking to people about it, like.

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Literally came forward.

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I guess yeah where. Yeah, my peers and I thought

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I was psychic. They used to call me priest, being

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heavy substance abusers and not caring to divulge any information

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to what we all believed was a corrupt and perverted system.

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I remained, in my own eyes and those of my

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peers to be clairvoyant.

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Wow.

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Very interesting. So we have that statement about LSD.

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Like like, yeah, he had special powers. He's saying with writers.

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Right, Yeah, Its almost almost he's like clairvoyant, right, the

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psychic who's predicting what may possibly have happened, and then boom,

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it's in the news. So clearly it's to the degree

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that somebody heard him talk about these acts and before

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that it was before it was public knowledge.

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But but they did not go take the next logical

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step what should be to say maybe he did it.

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Well, but if if they're all on drugs, who's going

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to the cops. But we do have LSD obviously as

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one of the drugs that we use in the MK.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that fussy construction we were talking about, and it's

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this is missing page two. So now we're back in

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the position with the Scorpion letters, which I just saw

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something not too long ago in regards to Scorpion, and

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I think it's on one of these these crime shows

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that I've been watching that now, Herry.

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Harry the movie which is filmed as Francisco the Killer

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was named Scorpio because it's basically loosely based on the zodiac.

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Right, Well, this was a Scorpion. I think this was

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actually a set of crimes that somebody calling themselves Scorpion

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had I liictited. So of course I was listening to

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it in the background. I didn't really pick up on it.

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I'll have to go back and find it. Because we

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know that in the John Walsh letters the author is

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taking credit for something like twenty three crimes, so it'd

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be interesting to see if I could match that up

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with what I was listening to on those shows. But

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my point behind this is that here we again we

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have people putting forth letters, but not the entire content

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of the letters. So where's page two? Just like with

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John Walsh's letters, he only shows part of the letters

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and then we get reactions and we're not allowed to

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see certain things. But then again this brings us back

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to you know this evidence here, who who is going

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to be taken seriously by writing a letter providing fingerprints

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in DNA if it could not be determined that person

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was in fact who they were saying they were.

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What's that stuff on the left. It looks like Chinese

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writing or something.

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It's a package. It's a package that I believe there

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was a substance. Okay, So it says at the top

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of Tom Voyd's page. Note the stamp depicting in a

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taxi cab Zodiac's last definite victim was killed in a cab.

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Also contained in the envelope where fingerprints and DNA samples

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wrapped in packets that originally contained to talk substance. So

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is that another tie in to the anthrax? Who knows

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well I am just saying, we know the zodiac to

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cross connect his communications with something from one communication that

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he adds to the next one, kind of like the

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possibility of having left clues from previous crimes at the

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crime scene.

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So yea.

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And absolutely this We've already talked about this. But this

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comes out of Singapore, which is Singapore, so we have

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the Thailand and Malaysia connections between where the escape route

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for John Mark Carr was. So he's making it appear,

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or at least tempting to make it appear as though

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he's no longer in the country and you'll never be

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able to catch me. Oh so here, Oh that's interesting.

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I did I have fly ins? Haha? Did you see that?

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I must have been doing some type of graphics with

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this back when, because I didn't even know that was there.

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But we do see the use of the ZIP code

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is similar. Not many people know about the four at

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the end right unless it's pre printed by a machine.

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Typically speaking, I don't even know what my four are

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here for Citrus Heights. I know my first five R,

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but I don't know what my last four are.

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I don't use the last four personally.

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Nobody does. That's what I'm saying, So this the fact

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that we have another letter that purports to be from

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the same person doing another habit that we know that

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they've done in the past, is kind of again cross

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connecting that.

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But I think the stamp is a different clue. The

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taxi cabalt stamp.

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Yeah, it's no different than the historical trolley stamp and

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the dB Cooper case and communications.

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Yeah stamp for a big thing to zod.

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Yet yeah, and that historical trolley stamp was out of

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San Francisco, and then they're doing to try and pin

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the crime on somebody who lives in Oregon. Well, what

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are they doing going to San Francisco to get a

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trolley stamp? I mean, unless that was available to you know,

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mass America.

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We're thinking about the Cooper cases. There were several strong suspects,

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several people who could have pulled it off.

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And those that they continued to beat up for most

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of their lives that they were never able to establish

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any type of connection or convict anybody with it. It's

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the same scenario as the Zodiac and the black doah

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yah and the yeah yeah, But.

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I believe you and I carry Batcher too, believe Jack

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did the DV cooper or was.

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Involved, right Again, that coincidence of him taking flying lessons

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during that time frame, him being aware of and knowing

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Arthur Lee Allen, who owned in fact owned a plane.

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I guess they keep trying to pin him into or

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pigeonhole him into the Sherry Joe Baits stuff because he

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had a plane and could fly to.

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Be there, familiarity with the plane that was actually hijacked,

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which I think was a seven oh seven, and the

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fact that you could lower the door actually get out

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without disrupting you know, the oxygen and air whatever that

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for the rest of the passengers.

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I mean, well, I think I think it did. I

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think it did. But he instructed them to fly, I

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think at a certain level in order.

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That they're okay the pressure.

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Right, And it did actually notify the cabin and the

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and the captain that the door had been opened, because

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there was some of these songs that you're talking about, Yes,

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that that occurred. So that's the time frame at least

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when I guess the black box, if you will, recognizes

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these inconsistencies in the airplane's pressure and the things that

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are going on. Yeah, and where they were at the

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time that occurred, which would suggest that he jumped out

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at a place other than what they have tried to

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establish or have us believe.

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So it's so odd that they thrown a bunch of

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the money in one place, But most likely he didn't

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jump in the place where they found that money exactly.

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Yeah there, who knows. But they had made it for

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the money.

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Well, they made a comment that they had been dredging

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that river, so that wouldn't have been there or settled

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where it was unless it had recently been placed there.

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So it wasn't something that had been sitting there for

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forty years because if they had dredged, yeah, that would

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have come up. So some of the consistencies with this

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particular letter as it pertains to the Zodiac number one,

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the letters to Tom Voight, which we know Dennis is

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having an issue with, why are the additional pages missing?

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Why can't we see those? We see double letter spelling errors,

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which is is in the word corrupt. It's addressed to

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the editor. We talked about the four I am not

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that person the fussy rather as to and I shall

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speaks about interest in the zodiac story. It's perpetrated on

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an unsuspecting public. I really pay attention to that word

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because perpetrated on an unsuspecting public, that's exactly what I

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think of when I think of the government programs, whether

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it be through the media and commercials, and desensitization through

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movies about what they're really up to and doing and

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the things they want us to see, but just little

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bits and pieces at a time, so that it's not

465
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.279
too crazy when it actually comes about. It kind of

466
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:44.359
reminds me of The Simpsons and the whole pandemic, right,

467
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.039
you know, we Simpson's portrayed getting a box from China

468
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.680
and everybody coming down with a sickness, and so they

469
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:55.720
want to act like Simpsons is nostrodamis Now they're just

470
00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.119
they're sensationalizing acts that they are already aware of that

471
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.200
are going to occur, and they're telling us about it

472
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:05.559
ahead of time. So now, in fact, don't they look clearvoyant? Right?

473
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:09.079
Doesn't the Simpsons look clearvoyant because they knew this was

474
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:14.759
going to happen. So in closing, well, the as to

475
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:18.680
my demise again is fussy in closing evidence to prove

476
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.559
he as the zodiac again. The psychology behind that just

477
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:23.880
says if you aren't the Zodiac, why would you give

478
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:26.160
them evidence they could exclude you with?

479
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.920
And I did all along. He's got this guilty conscience

480
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.359
to where eventually he does want to confess.

481
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:39.680
Kurve Well, I think he's more wanting his ego, wants

482
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.720
the recognition for what he's done, and he wants a

483
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:45.319
story to be told correctly. He's tired of all of

484
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.720
these misconceptions and mysteries and boloney that they're talking about,

485
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:51.680
and he's the one that can provide it. And I

486
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:54.440
believe he probably did provide it. We will never see

487
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.480
that that second page has something that Tom Boyd doesn't

488
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:58.759
want the rest of us to see.

489
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:06.160
So one point, who controls him? So? And maybe he

490
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:08.799
don't let anyone see that.

491
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:11.720
Well, that has to be the case. He didn't just

492
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.799
arbitrarily on his own, I'm sure, decide not to show.

493
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:20.079
That he's in deep and he's got protectors.

494
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:28.799
And controllers, just like our president. So reference to his conscience.

495
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.039
There was a few other of the Zodiac letters that

496
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:37.200
expressed this. He indicates perpetrated who's hallucinating and I was

497
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.839
the Zodiac claims of using the LSD heroin heavy drinking

498
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:45.200
in a psychotic state. The underground society reference is really

499
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.359
important to me because we see underground mentioned a lot

500
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.160
in the Zodiac communications all the way through the finale

501
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.680
letter with Tim Miller. In these drug states, he believed

502
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.359
he was observing, not the perpetrator. That's that I think

503
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.960
hypnosis state that Dennis would say that Jack could put

504
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.759
himself in I've showed everybody a million times his little

505
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:10.039
symbol for hypnosis that he would use, and there was

506
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:13.079
a direction that said, I don't want to know, so

507
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:15.839
stop trying to dive into your brain or your memory

508
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.440
for this information because you don't want to know. This

509
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:23.240
almost as if he's capable of compartmentalizing these items based

510
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:30.119
on triggering words and so forth. They as well as

511
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:32.680
I again as a fussy statement, I remained in my

512
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.720
own eyes and that those of my peers to be clairvoyant.

513
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:43.039
So here again he's putting himself before the peers. Which

514
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:46.000
is that fussy I am? The police reference that the

515
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:51.279
Zodiac uses, which the linguistics professor from UC Davis indicated

516
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:54.759
that less than two percent of the population would likely

517
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:58.119
form a sentence in that way. Most other people will

518
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:01.279
put the others first in them last, and that's the

519
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:03.200
way we're taught to do it. So for you to

520
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.839
collectively decide you're going to put yourself first in any

521
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:09.880
situation is not only showing the narcissism in you, but

522
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.319
as well that's something you consciously do when it's not

523
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:21.640
proper grammar. Envelope and fingerprints Tom Void's address. We've got

524
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.720
the airmail sticker, So that's the attempt to disguise the

525
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:29.039
state of residence. As in the La Times letter which

526
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:33.359
the Zodiac wrote, also wrote on it airmail, again making

527
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:38.559
it appear as though he's not anywhere close by. Confidential

528
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:42.240
contains unmarked evidence, handle with care, so he took an

529
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:46.200
extra precaution to actually mark the envelope with the fact

530
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:50.880
that there's evidence in here please don't destroy, and fingerprints

531
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:57.799
oriental packaging and known to carry banned chemicals. And so

532
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.240
that brings us to our second letter so here. And

533
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.440
I'm not sure why so far apart unless obviously Dennis

534
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.400
is still having issues with Tom, or there's communications going

535
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.519
on that we've not seen, you know, why wait a

536
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:12.759
year to respond? But I find this one even more

537
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:17.880
interesting because he does redact things entirely redact. Why why

538
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:23.440
are you redacting this information? And once again transparency. Yeah,

539
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:25.519
so this is.

540
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:31.039
At first place it looks zodiac and even like the

541
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:35.839
slant things like that, but yeah, the writing looks Zodiac.

542
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.119
We can see the period the circle period dots, which

543
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:43.480
is under the exclamation under here, and of course period

544
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:47.720
circular period dots is something we definitely noted in Zodiac writing.

545
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:52.319
This one, it says on Tom's website, I received this

546
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.279
anonymous letter January fifteenth, two thousand and three. Why are

547
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:59.920
you calling it anonymous? He gave you DNA and fingerprints?

548
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:05.559
So what happened with that? What's the information behind? What

549
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.079
did you do with that? Who received it? Did anybody

550
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.720
investigate it? What's that?

551
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:12.319
What's he concealing?

552
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:18.519
Exactly? So this one says, dear Tom, what irony? What

553
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:22.119
twisted spiraling fate that our paths should cross at this

554
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:24.799
particular time in light of who you are and what

555
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:28.559
I am? It's oh so amazing how fiction imitates life

556
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:33.680
in writing you first the letter, then of course it

557
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:38.880
says you redacted and something I wasn't interested in your website.

558
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:43.079
Fact is, until I decided to write, I never entered

559
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.319
it nor knew of its existence. And so This is

560
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.960
where I say, Dennis is telling Jack about Tom voy

561
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.599
and his website and who he is in the state

562
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.000
of this case. Okay, I never entered nor knew of

563
00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:59.960
its existence. I was honestly not aware of the screen

564
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:03.400
being written about the website a twenty something year old

565
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:08.079
copycat meat. And last, but not least, yours truly, I'm

566
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:12.800
in our it says I in our first communication, simply

567
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:16.280
wanted to appease my conscience. Now, thanks to the miracle

568
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.360
of technology, here we are in communication for a second time.

569
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.719
I appreciate your giving me the information I was looking for.

570
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:29.960
So that proves that Tom Voight has at least responded

571
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.320
in some way some fashion, either on his website or

572
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:41.800
through a communication, because he's saying that he appreciates Yeah.

573
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:43.079
Whoops.

574
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.159
So we have that first statement, which is a poetic

575
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:50.199
style reference that Zodiac was known for, and then Jack

576
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.480
knows a movie is in the making by the second statement,

577
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.079
and of course that's where we start to see him

578
00:34:56.079 --> 00:35:00.519
talk about wanting to give his story, but it says

579
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.679
he is calling the suspect of the film a copycat.

580
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:07.400
Ham Next in the next line, and he reiterates his

581
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.119
first letter set in the following statement, this is his

582
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:16.559
second to Tom. Evidently Tom void appease Jack with some

583
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.639
piece of knowledge. I'm way ahead of myself. I forgot

584
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:24.519
I had fly ins on these things. There are areas

585
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:26.639
of these letters that are redacted, like the Scorpion letters

586
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.039
to John Walsh, And what do these people not want

587
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.079
the public to know? I'm just going to re state

588
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:35.559
it because it's we're saying again. The letter goes on

589
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.639
to say, congratulations on your part for the upcoming movie script.

590
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.760
It sounds like fun, but truth will not be served

591
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:47.079
in its current format and ending. Reality is Tom, neither

592
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.800
you nor anyone else can write as appropriate and ending

593
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:54.159
for the screenplay. As myself. The last thing the public

594
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:57.800
needs is another fictitious tale. I think that. I mean,

595
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.920
That's what I've been screaming right for years now doing

596
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.039
this podcast. The last thing we need is more fake suspects,

597
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.599
more fake stories, more things to muddy up the waters.

598
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:13.000
It says, if you want a news breaking ending along

599
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:16.559
with a realistic storyline between me and the Zodiac wannabe,

600
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.119
you need my input, knowing now as you do regards

601
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.760
the matches of DNA and points that I am the

602
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:26.519
real deal that I have changed, so it is possible

603
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:28.920
for others to change as well. You need me to

604
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:33.239
help make this box office blockbuster. It can be so

605
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:40.239
again you know for knowing now as you do. Regards

606
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:44.639
to the matches of DNA and points, which is fingerprints,

607
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:50.039
Where does he get this notion that Tomvoit knows this.

608
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.840
If Tomvoit has it expressed, you are a match. I

609
00:36:53.920 --> 00:37:00.480
believe you. He goes on to say, imagine the publicity, Tom,

610
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.119
the movie that drew the Zodiac out of hiding. This

611
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.679
film has the potential to make your efforts and the

612
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.199
efforts of all parties involved in this project profitable in

613
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:14.519
all capital letters, profitable. So again we're seeing that desire

614
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:16.760
for recognition. It compels him to say that his story

615
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:18.920
would be better. That reminds me of the Sherry Joe

616
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.320
Bates Citizen letter where they say, wouldn't the story be

617
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:27.199
more interesting to learn about a blueprint designed killer, a

618
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:33.960
boy basically who was built into a killer, And of

619
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:36.760
course trying to get the recognition, wanting the truth to

620
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:39.199
be told that it's him without really saying it's Tim

621
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:47.400
obviously got it, and calling Tom by his name is

622
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:51.280
just like calling Tim by his name in the finale letters,

623
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:56.360
so some of these habits are showing through between these letters.

624
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:02.639
Second half of this letter is here's my humble offer.

625
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.119
Now this really stands out to me because the next

626
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.480
letter we're going to see everyone is the letter to

627
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.800
Tim Miller. I call it the finale letter, where he's

628
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.800
literally intimated all the different crime screes that he is

629
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.639
likely to have been a part of, and he labels

630
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:21.199
the return address as Tom Humble. So we've got the

631
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:23.760
word humble in this letter to Tom, and then we've

632
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:26.960
got the return address being Tom Humble on the finale

633
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.440
letter to Tim Miller. So it says, here's my humble offer,

634
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.239
with my being who I am in relation to how

635
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:36.280
I've been and what now and what now I am,

636
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.800
I want to help fuel this project to the max.

637
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.159
Take your script to the biggest name studios in Hollywood.

638
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.199
Tell them what you know about me, that you can

639
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:49.559
provide proof that you and I are in contact, and

640
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.599
that I am willing to offer the meat and potatoes

641
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:56.400
of and the stories ending for a mere US ten million.

642
00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.719
The money will be deposited upfront into a numbered bank

643
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:02.960
account of my choosing, with the only stipulation being that

644
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:07.960
a trust uh, an organization or foundation be established with

645
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:11.079
my rightful residuals to provide cash flow and closure for

646
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.400
the families involved as a result of my deeds past.

647
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:20.800
Wow. Right, so he's talking about the families of his victims. Yeah.

648
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.760
Yeah, he's basically wanting to put this money aside and

649
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:26.320
the royalties to go into some type of a foundation

650
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:28.079
to provide for these families.

651
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:29.599
Wow.

652
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:33.079
When it comes right all of a sudden, he said

653
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:39.000
he changed. It says, when it comes right down to it, Tom,

654
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:41.800
and then it's reacted. I have changed, and it is

655
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:44.360
possible for others to change. Also, you need me to

656
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:48.239
make this movie in the in the cost effective, truer

657
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.440
than life mega hit it can be. Let me know

658
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:56.639
Tom via your wonderful website. So they're communicating, he says,

659
00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:57.960
you know who I am.

660
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:02.039
I don't know if Tom is writing, but he's addressing

661
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.840
certain things on his website, and Zodiac is is hip

662
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:08.360
to the website.

663
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:12.039
Right, and it says yours truly. As we've seen so

664
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.679
many things like the dear draft board letters you know,

665
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.679
signed yours truly or signed truly. Like again, this is

666
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:21.440
reminiscent of Zodiac communications.

667
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:22.920
Why would he redact the.

668
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:28.519
Bottom exactly, and it says ps well script yeah, yeah, yeah,

669
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:32.480
it says pst not and we get nothing because the

670
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:33.719
whole thing has been redacted.

671
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:38.880
Symbol or something right, because usually.

672
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:41.239
You know, that's a large reaction. It looks to me

673
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:43.840
like he's saying something there that why doesn't Tom want

674
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.679
us to see that? But it is so protective about

675
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:50.960
that information that it causes you to react. It Two

676
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.679
more references to Tom's name, which accounts for a total

677
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:56.480
of three times in this communication alone, which is identical

678
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:59.360
to the amount of times that Jack wrote John in

679
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.519
the John Benet Ramsey note. So we've got cross. So

680
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.239
he's calling people by their first names as if he

681
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.519
has personal, you know, relations with them, and ah, yes,

682
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:13.320
more redacted areas. Here again is another airmail. We've discussed.

683
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.800
This one is the one that's coming from Thailand, and

684
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.599
of course it's coming back here to the US. So

685
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:21.440
it's likely that it was mailed over in a different

686
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.119
packaging to whomever it was that was supposed to take

687
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.920
and literally stamp and mail this back to here.

688
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.000
That is like handwriting.

689
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.199
To me, it's the same handwriting that's on these letters

690
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.920
that again Charles identified as being his dad's handwriting.

691
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.840
Okay, yeah, it's a little different on the on the

692
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:43.000
envelope anyway.

693
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.159
Well, when I did, when I did cross comparisons to

694
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:48.519
a lot of the stuff, there were very many there

695
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:52.880
were many similarities to the handwriting. Yes, and again we

696
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.599
see the four digit extension of the zip code again

697
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:58.000
as seen in the anthrax and in the black doll

698
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.960
you letters and on and on and on like omember.

699
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:07.000
It actually has airmail written three different times and read.

700
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.760
You wanted to make sure they understood this is three

701
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.360
times and it makes it true, right, yeah, state enough

702
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:20.320
you won't forget it. So when I was under the impression,

703
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:24.920
obviously with doing some research and work on Tim Miller's case,

704
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.880
oil kept being brought up, is in regards to superfudge,

705
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:32.760
because that's what they call the the thick, sludgy stuff

706
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:37.239
that they then turn into gas. And so I started

707
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.400
to look to see what we had going on. There

708
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:43.559
was actually a humble oil and refining company in Houston, Texas.

709
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:47.159
Here's one of the documentations on it, and it is

710
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:54.079
going to the Chief Materials Branch, Directorate of Licensing, US

711
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:58.119
Atomic Energy Commission, Washington, d C. So I just thought

712
00:42:58.119 --> 00:42:59.599
that was a little bit of a little piece of

713
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.880
history there. This is date stamp December twenty sixth in

714
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.239
nineteen seventy two, so we know that they were still

715
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:11.480
actively open at that time. Obviously. So some of the

716
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:14.679
caveats to this letter is that it is to Tom

717
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:18.239
Voight on page one. He'd uses hyphenation just as the

718
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:22.599
Zodiac did. The twisted spiraling fate again is quite like

719
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:27.480
the Tit willow back to that whole poetic style of

720
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:31.159
writing that we see in some of the communications, like

721
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.880
the Little List and things like that. Fiction imitates life.

722
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:40.800
Talks about the movie that's coming out. He incorrectly spells

723
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:44.800
existence and he's calling it a copycat me because he

724
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.079
believes whoever they're going to have play him is not

725
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.559
going to do it correctly. And our first communication simply

726
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:57.760
wanted to appease my consciences again I first, first, I E.

727
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:05.000
I don't know why I wrote that anyways, talks about

728
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.320
the movie being false unless he writes the ending for

729
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.079
them between me and the Zodiac want to be you

730
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:17.000
need my input. What happened to this DNA. We've just

731
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:19.760
asked that claims to have changed and could help make

732
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:26.239
this a blockbuster misspell's potential. The letter to tom Boy,

733
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:30.840
page two. Again, we've got redaction, we've got hyphenation usage,

734
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:35.920
we've got humble same as that Z eighty L ten

735
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:40.239
must be a similar construction of either wording or word

736
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.280
requests for exchange of story, for money and trust for families.

737
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.280
He injured, says he has needed to make this story

738
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:49.960
truer than life and a mega hit. So this is

739
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.440
the person I would have expected out of Arthur Lee

740
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.920
Allen when he died. If he was truly the Zodiac,

741
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:56.880
he would have been. It's me. I did it. Here's

742
00:44:56.920 --> 00:45:00.760
the information, and now we've got somebody willing to give

743
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.559
it up, or at least I mean attempting to. We've

744
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.400
got the redaction. The envelope, of course again is mailed

745
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.480
just as I stated, and the back of the envelope

746
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:13.559
airmail attempt to make it look like it was from

747
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:19.000
another state. Again, so that is consistent with tom VODs

748
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:25.079
and the La Times. Now, the facts that surround these letters,

749
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:27.039
I did kind of a small summary here. It says

750
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:28.920
they were mailed from Thailand and Malaysia to make it

751
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.320
look like Zodiac was not in the US. I posed

752
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:35.000
the question to myself, how did Jack pull this off? Answer,

753
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:38.000
I believe is in the next details, which obviously is

754
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:42.119
that John Mark Carr stuff there were four murders in

755
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.480
Sonoma County that the Sheriff's Department is sure was the

756
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:47.000
work of the Zodiac. John Mark Carr was in jail

757
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:49.639
awaiting a trial in Sonoma County for child porn charges

758
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:51.880
because they found pictures on his computer at his place

759
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:55.239
of work, which is a university. No less, after nearly

760
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.320
ten months in jail, two months before trial, Cars released

761
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:02.320
on his own recognisance. Anyways, he skips town and runs

762
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:06.159
to Thailand, and I believe that it supports he went

763
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:08.480
to Malaysia first, and that's where we see the last

764
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:11.760
anthrax letter aside from this one, coming in with a

765
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:16.159
package of some top toxic chemical. Car starts emailing a

766
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:18.719
professor at a university back here in the US, taking

767
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:22.559
credit for the Zodiac and John Bene Ramsey's murders. This

768
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.320
coincides with the letters to Tom Voight coming from Thailand.

769
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:29.039
In Malaysia, days before Jack's death, Car walks into a

770
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.760
Thailand police department and turns himself in for the murder

771
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.079
of John ben A. Ramsey. Now this is the information

772
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:39.159
I had in twenty twenty ten to twenty thirteen, but

773
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:43.000
they subsequently put stuff out stating that they actually busted him,

774
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.519
and I think picked him up at his place of work,

775
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.239
So I do have that or is it busted for

776
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:52.039
today's internet search. He receives a free ride home via

777
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.199
Homeland Security. And in the pictures I saw, he's got

778
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:58.199
like what looks to be a glass of champagne or

779
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:01.599
something in his hand there drinking. They're having a great time.

780
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:04.280
He doesn't appear to be in handcuffs. And for a

781
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:08.400
supposed proclaimed child killer, and it's said in one of

782
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:10.639
the articles that the trip home costs more than one

783
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:14.000
hundred thousand dollars. Why why wun't we just throw him

784
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:18.119
an economy class? Why do we send out of our

785
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:23.159
one of our presidential jets and home win Security to

786
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:27.320
get him? When Car reaches Colorado, law enforcement believes that

787
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:29.360
he knows things about the crime that only the killer

788
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:32.480
could know, but his DNA, fingerprints and handwriting are no match,

789
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:35.239
so he's released and extradited to Sonoma County to face

790
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:38.639
the child born charges. Sono mccounty takes Car in, but

791
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.239
he is eventually released because they've lost the computer of

792
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:44.760
car that had been in evidence for only five years.

793
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:48.480
This is insane. Why is anything having to do with

794
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:52.639
these cases constantly calming up missing. I assure you, if

795
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.800
they had evidence on me, they're not losing it. I'm

796
00:47:54.840 --> 00:48:05.079
going to jail. I believe there's a strong connection between

797
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.679
these pedophiles and criminals. Evidently so, more along the lines

798
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:11.760
of what Harriet was talking about, Harry b was talking

799
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:15.199
about what Lindsey talks about. The area I never really

800
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:18.800
wanted to kind of touch grounds on because I was

801
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.840
in disbelief that it had any connection whatsoever to the

802
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:26.760
to the Zodiac killer. But I'm finding that I cannot bifurcate,

803
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:30.119
that I cannot separate one instance from the next, because

804
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.800
it does seem to revolve around some element of it.

805
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:34.599
Jack takes over.

806
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:41.039
I think of corrupt figures at higher levels that happened

807
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:43.079
to be sex criminals.

808
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:47.519
I've always believed and I think that Tim Miller had

809
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:49.559
relayed to Dennis. We'll talk about that when we get

810
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.280
to his letter, that he was involved in stuff during

811
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.000
the time his daughter was taken from him, and that

812
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:59.000
the Ramses also understood exactly why their daughter was taken

813
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:00.800
from them. So there was all always this element, and

814
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.079
I think this is why the major consensus believed that

815
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.760
there is a possibility the Ramses were guilty for having

816
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.880
killed their child because they weren't being forthright about something.

817
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:12.320
I feel like that they were holding something back. They

818
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.880
were very evasive. I get why you would want to

819
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:18.079
be because until you're proven guilty, right, you don't have

820
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:19.880
to defend yourself right.

821
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:23.480
And also, maybe they didn't do it, or maybe they

822
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:27.519
did the Sun didn't do it, but they knew more

823
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:28.480
than they were left out.

824
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:29.559
I think.

825
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:29.679
So.

826
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:32.440
Well, that's pretty much all we have for today. We're

827
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:34.599
down to our last final seconds here. I want to

828
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.400
thank everybody again for being with us, and have a

829
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:41.119
wonderful weekend and we will see you next Friday. Thank you, Nolan,

830
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:41.639
Thank you.

831
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:42.760
Have a good weekend.