Zodiac Killer Writes Tom Voigt???

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0:52 Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. I'd like to welcome Nolan del Campo to the show this morning. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. So you were telling me about this new book. Do you know who wrote it? Yeah, it's new to me. It's it's it's a few years old. But it's just really a synopsis of the veriest zodiac attributed murders and whatnot. And you know, it goes to each one's not much detail and doesn't come to any new conclusions. But it's a good little review, you know, just it's a good you know, to refresh your memory on dates and times and people and names.

1:37 You said, it's still mentioning Arthur Lee. Allen said that he was. A prime suspect, but then it says he was exonerated after he died, blah blah blah. So why after he died? Yeah, believe the letter in his hand. Yeah, that says I'm not the Zodiac. And it doesn't mentioned Jack for one. Right. It also mentions Deborah Perez but says she was you know, that was false. You know, she was crying wolf or whatever. And it goes as a lot about the Kathleen Johns stuff that we talked about a week or two ago, right.

2:20 Right, Well, it's always interesting to note that there's somebody on my side when it comes to that whole Deba Perez thing. And I get it. We're just so used to seeing them throw out these false suspects, and I'm just shocked by the way they're received by the media and by the SFPD when they were handed Jack and didn't even so much as flinch or you know, look at that evidence, or I guess, as Dennis would say, they just round filed it. So what was the purpose? Why do we choose one false suspect to you know ingratiate with investigative time, and then another where they're active evidence that supports this person has the background, the capabilities, the persona, the handwriting matches. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all of it that.

3:11 You mentioned that because there's a picture of demops that are press conference and he's got all these guys in suits around are looking so serious like yeah, and you know, and it's just a joke, you know. And that was her. It was covered by all the big stations in the area and all the paper. Yeah, it was made a lot of news, but it wasn't right. It wasn't correct. Got them underlie, all right? So I had Ezra Cubis on YouTube comment why was it that the cops did not want black doll you to be salved? Which I used to think the same thing when I went into this.

3:54 I thought this was let's blame the cops for the bad job, and let's blame the cops for not doing what they should have done. And I mean, I obviously still sit here today and say SFPD didn't actively investigate Jack Terrence like they should have. But it's not so much I think that they didn't want it solved. I think that their capability to solve it and that may be due to well my response here is, as I said, I don't believe the cops didn't want it solved. I believe there could have been an operative in the group, steering people in the wrong direction to assist in the success of something larger than a serial killer. Most cops were not trained or prepared for this behavior. And honestly speaking, back then, mob killings were all they were really familiar with, and one should ask why so many of those weren't solved and maybe cross connect the abilities for people to kill with immunity like the mob. You know how many people?

4:45 I think they may were, some of them higher ups in the department that we're keeping things suppressed well did though? Who some of the people involved? For instance, I think Hodell was involved. Now was he the killer, I don't know, but I think he was involved. And uh, the Hoodel at the time was running an abortion clinic and many of the high ringing cops would have their mistresses go to Hodel to get their abortions. Okay, it dirty back then, including. The cops have been dirty forever. Right back then, you know, university was the LA Confidential and movies like that zoot Suit involving murderers of Mexican kids back in the day.

5:35 This is all forties and fifties stuff. Well, and it's just crazy what they glorify in the media, whether it's by movies or documentaries or you know, allowing some of these people who have turned over States evidence to have immunity so they can climb on TV later and say how they killed people and proof I'm still here, living and free. And I think Maxwell is hoping if she just keeps her mouth shut, then at the end of Trump's churney, He's going to partner or have her sentence commuted or something. That's what she's do you think, I mean, I would be absolutely flabbergasted if that's something that he does, absolutely flabbergasted.

6:21 Well, she would have to do a vow of silence. Yep. There's always something in exchange and it is all about who you know, right, But how could how could he exonerate her when she was the one providing all the girls. It just I a pardon, I think just America. She was his right hand woman, Epstein's right hand woman. So if Trump did anywhere ship, she would know about it. Yeah. Again, why haven't we. Seen the royals Britain and some of these the rich people Clinton who knows what actually went down? But the one person that may is Maxwell.

7:08 It just blows my mind. We still haven't seen not even so much as one arrest. Right, I don't even understand why opening the files if you guys aren't going to do anything about it. And I don't think Epstein committed suicide. No, no, no, no, no death. That he's in a different country with a plastic surgery, or the cops killed him, or someone on the inside killed right right, politically motivaty, I don't think he committed. Suside, yeah, I don't. I don't think his father believes that either, And based on that pathologist, they believe that he was being Yeah, that he was suicidal. I guess if you will, Oh, the whole thing. It just just yeah, it just rots your mind to think about what people can get away with and do. And like you said, well, what if he did just make his death? I wondered about that too, Like what did they just faked it?

8:04 And you know, now he's off somewhere else doing whatever. I don't know. Yes, the suiciding, that's all a lot of the people they're either witnesses or participants or have theories and how to solve the Kennedy assassination were suicidal, right, Well, yeah, For instance, George de moorn Schildt, he was an oil engineer, had ties to Haiti, Dominican Republic. He was hart Lee Harvey Oswald's CIA contact in Dallas, and he spoke Russian and his wife spoke Russian. So they were befriended. Marina. Well, after the assassination, after you know, everyone's dead, Ruby's dead.

8:50 In sixty seven, he's this author Epstein, No relation, his second book, Look on the JFK assassination, and he goes to interview Demorin's chill and I think it's in Florida at this point, and they talked for a couple of hours. This is I need to come back tomorrow. I need to get more info. This is you got a lot of good info. Well, he got killed later that night, and they said he sot himself with a shotgun. But he was murdered, but they called it. They called it suicide. A lot of the killings in uh, you know, people affiliated or suicides like yeah, several women.

9:39 I want to say, when I think that Dennis was set to meet with Kathleen John's I believe it was in Sonoma County and the FBI put him up in a hotel somewhere in the area because they were going to be meeting with her the next day. And she suddenly had a heart attack that night. Did she die? Yes? Really? Yes? That crazy? Was it Kathleen johnsoning to go back and look, But I thought that yeah, I thought she was supposed to be taking pictures of Jack to her to get to get her to make identification, to see if she could tell if that was who was driving her around. And I have to go back, but I'm pretty sure it was her.

10:24 Yeah, well, her family lived in Palo Yeah. Yeah, I feel like he was in contact with the sister and and so forth, and they were wanting to meet up with her and show her a picture and and yeah, the he got a call from Chris Hopkins the next morning and saying she passed away, she had a heart attack and died. Well, she'd already identified that uh as the person who abducted. Her, right right right. When she when she went to report to the police. Correct, But now showing her a live picture because we have a suspect. To look at, yeah, that would be that. Would have been an easy clothes for this case. So one has to ask what happened? Did the stress get to her? You know what I'm saying, like, I don't, I really don't know. Well, back to this whole Tom Boy crazy timing.

11:17 That's too much of a coincidence. Well, and it's as crazy as the coincidence of these new letters we're going to talk about as well here. So Jack turns Dennis or Dennis turns Jack in in two thousand. In two thousand and two, the DNA has been ran, and Dennis finds out that Jack wasn't included, even though he had provided the DNA and envelopes with Jack's DNA on it to the SFPD. And Dennis goes back to Jack and says, nobody believes me. Everybody's round filing your stuff. They're not taking me seriously. I can't get anybody to pay attention. They don't think I'm telling the truth. Dennis or Jack then gives Dennis the rights to his belongings in the shed in Arizona, which, of course the PA system, the eaton bond for different pieces of evidence that were brought to light at that point comes about. And then we see this letter in November of two thousand and two to Tom Voight trying to get notice.

12:13 Basically, one point I want to make when it comes to Zodiac fingerprint evidence in DNA evidence may not tell the whole story. Who knows who licked the envelopes? And we know that Jack said I have ways of disguising my fingertips an airplane glue or whatever. So he's not going to leave a good prayer. He's too smart to anyway. I would think so. But even then, at some point in time, you have to wonder whether or not. Well, they did get a palm print, I believe, right, who had the palm print? Well it's a paulprit that they didn't say whose it was, but it's a palm brit. Yeah, well start on the cat.

12:56 True. That true? That, yes, But Sonoma County was in possession of a palm print of Jack. So we're I don't even know if any of this evidence exists anymore. And you can't get people to talk to you about it because if you go to the police, they say it's an open case, we can't discuss it with you. Well, then why is everything being discussed with Tom Voyd? Right? And Sonoma, Solana and Sarah Snow Counties were different jurisdictions, and they were all jealous of each other. They didn't want the other charagy to be the one that solves Odia. I just feel like it was more than that. That's that goes back to that suppression of evidence and cover up and everything else that we see that's happening, and then putting forth of all these false suspects. But so this is a letter that comes out to Tom boyd.

13:44 So again we have the timing right two thousand to two thousand and two. We see the road that is being traveled by Dennis and Jack's willingness to participate and assist in the information for Dennis, and Dennis is complaining he's having problems with Tom Voight, and I guess, and then all of a sudden, right, so this happens to be the time Dennis is having problems with Tom Voight and they start to have a falling out and these letters show up to Tom Voight. I just I can't get over that as a coincidence, right, Like, oh, just a mere coincidence. Yeah, just a mere coincidence. And like we were talking last week, I have included a lot of these characteristics into the handwriting examination. Tom Voight says this letter was not from the zodiac. This is, in his words, I guess a hoax, if you will. I'm showing this letter to Dennis, and I purposely tried to do it out of the presence of Charles. So he went off to get something to drink at the front end of my house. I'm back in the office with Dennis.

14:44 I'm showing him these letters, asking him what he thinks about them. He doesn't recognize this handwriting. It's Charles who walks in and says, where'd you get my dad's handwriting? And I'm like, what, Like, that's so very and so it wasn't as if he knew why I even addressing these letters with Dennis. I wasn't claiming that Jack wrote them. At this point. They were brand new. I just found them. So that and so I'm gonna roll with this message that So this, let's see if I can find the package real quick. So here is the package that came with the envelope. And we have fingerprints that are sent in and evidently DNA. So this stuff is all accompanying the letter that I'm about to read. And so it says, dear editor, this is the Zodiac speaking, this is the way I used to address myself to the editor of the San Francisco Chronicle. No longer is this necessary, for I'm not that person anymore. I have changed still the interest as to the events. As to the events, there's that fussy fussiness that we see as to the events I perpetrated on an unsuspected public. Are alive and well after thirty years. Sorry, some say I must be dead.

16:06 Others have a multitude of theories as to my deadmise. Again, as to my demise, he's that that fussy references that we see the Zodiac making. The truth is I'm very much alive, and I am enclosing evidence in this correspondence to match DNA and prints on file and in quantico for this individual to So this is where I say, when when the Zodiac talks about being smarter than the CIA, and smarter than the police, and smarter than pretty much everybody else, he knows exactly where they need to send this evidence to. And I find that interesting. It says, I am. Those where the FBI main lab is. Right, right. But the FBI discontinued any investigation into the Zodiac in nineteen ninety one, So why would if you? Yeah, if anything was sent there, then it's usually probably forwarded right back to San Francisco. So it says, I am writing now to share a missing link in the Zodiac Killer's profile, one that all the compounded theories has not yet touched upon, and a probability that my conscience compels me to know. This is not to diminish the horrible acts I perpetrated, it can't, but to supply the truth to set me free from a delusion that I may have only been hallucinating hallucinating. I was the Zodiac hallucinating.

17:31 So I think that that comes along with the whole MK ultra mind control, hypnosis, these types of things. So yeah, he's saying the right things at this point. It says, in those years I was on LSD and heroin addict with a taste for the bizarre, subcultural and underground lifestyles. I would have brownouts of consciousness that could literally last for days. In that state, I experienced the graphic deeds of the Zodiac Killer as if I was an observer, not the perpetrator. When I regained my senses and the high was over, a momentary state between trips and fixes. I would, Oh, some of this is hard to read.

18:17 I would sending my recollections with those around me. Oh, I would share my recollections with those around me who were pretty much in the same state as I. They as well as well as I would be blown away to then see in the news the very events I had described hours earlier my peers, And so this is almost as if he's bragatory about it. He's talking to people, talking to people about it, like. Literally came forward. I guess yeah where. Yeah, my peers and I thought I was psychic. They used to call me priest, being heavy substance abusers and not caring to divulge any information to what we all believed was a corrupt and perverted system.

19:03 I remained, in my own eyes and those of my peers to be clairvoyant. Wow. Very interesting. So we have that statement about LSD. Like like, yeah, he had special powers. He's saying with writers. Right, Yeah, Its almost almost he's like clairvoyant, right, the psychic who's predicting what may possibly have happened, and then boom, it's in the news. So clearly it's to the degree that somebody heard him talk about these acts and before that it was before it was public knowledge. But but they did not go take the next logical step what should be to say maybe he did it.

19:47 Well, but if if they're all on drugs, who's going to the cops. But we do have LSD obviously as one of the drugs that we use in the MK. Yeah. Yeah, that fussy construction we were talking about, and it's this is missing page two. So now we're back in the position with the Scorpion letters, which I just saw something not too long ago in regards to Scorpion, and I think it's on one of these these crime shows that I've been watching that now, Herry. Harry the movie which is filmed as Francisco the Killer was named Scorpio because it's basically loosely based on the zodiac.

20:31 Right, Well, this was a Scorpion. I think this was actually a set of crimes that somebody calling themselves Scorpion had I liictited. So of course I was listening to it in the background. I didn't really pick up on it. I'll have to go back and find it. Because we know that in the John Walsh letters the author is taking credit for something like twenty three crimes, so it'd be interesting to see if I could match that up with what I was listening to on those shows. But my point behind this is that here we again we have people putting forth letters, but not the entire content of the letters. So where's page two? Just like with John Walsh's letters, he only shows part of the letters and then we get reactions and we're not allowed to see certain things. But then again this brings us back to you know this evidence here, who who is going to be taken seriously by writing a letter providing fingerprints in DNA if it could not be determined that person was in fact who they were saying they were.

21:36 What's that stuff on the left. It looks like Chinese writing or something. It's a package. It's a package that I believe there was a substance. Okay, So it says at the top of Tom Voyd's page. Note the stamp depicting in a taxi cab Zodiac's last definite victim was killed in a cab. Also contained in the envelope where fingerprints and DNA samples wrapped in packets that originally contained to talk substance. So is that another tie in to the anthrax? Who knows well I am just saying, we know the zodiac to cross connect his communications with something from one communication that he adds to the next one, kind of like the possibility of having left clues from previous crimes at the crime scene.

22:23 So yea. And absolutely this We've already talked about this. But this comes out of Singapore, which is Singapore, so we have the Thailand and Malaysia connections between where the escape route for John Mark Carr was. So he's making it appear, or at least tempting to make it appear as though he's no longer in the country and you'll never be able to catch me. Oh so here, Oh that's interesting. I did I have fly ins? Haha? Did you see that? I must have been doing some type of graphics with this back when, because I didn't even know that was there.

23:06 But we do see the use of the ZIP code is similar. Not many people know about the four at the end right unless it's pre printed by a machine. Typically speaking, I don't even know what my four are here for Citrus Heights. I know my first five R, but I don't know what my last four are. I don't use the last four personally. Nobody does. That's what I'm saying, So this the fact that we have another letter that purports to be from the same person doing another habit that we know that they've done in the past, is kind of again cross connecting that. But I think the stamp is a different clue. The taxi cabalt stamp. Yeah, it's no different than the historical trolley stamp and the dB Cooper case and communications.

23:51 Yeah stamp for a big thing to zod. Yet yeah, and that historical trolley stamp was out of San Francisco, and then they're doing to try and pin the crime on somebody who lives in Oregon. Well, what are they doing going to San Francisco to get a trolley stamp? I mean, unless that was available to you know, mass America. We're thinking about the Cooper cases. There were several strong suspects, several people who could have pulled it off. And those that they continued to beat up for most of their lives that they were never able to establish any type of connection or convict anybody with it. It's the same scenario as the Zodiac and the black doah yah and the yeah yeah, But.

24:39 I believe you and I carry Batcher too, believe Jack did the DV cooper or was. Involved, right Again, that coincidence of him taking flying lessons during that time frame, him being aware of and knowing Arthur Lee Allen, who owned in fact owned a plane. I guess they keep trying to pin him into or pigeonhole him into the Sherry Joe Baits stuff because he had a plane and could fly to. Be there, familiarity with the plane that was actually hijacked, which I think was a seven oh seven, and the fact that you could lower the door actually get out without disrupting you know, the oxygen and air whatever that for the rest of the passengers.

25:26 I mean, well, I think I think it did. I think it did. But he instructed them to fly, I think at a certain level in order. That they're okay the pressure. Right, And it did actually notify the cabin and the and the captain that the door had been opened, because there was some of these songs that you're talking about, Yes, that that occurred. So that's the time frame at least when I guess the black box, if you will, recognizes these inconsistencies in the airplane's pressure and the things that are going on. Yeah, and where they were at the time that occurred, which would suggest that he jumped out at a place other than what they have tried to establish or have us believe.

26:08 So it's so odd that they thrown a bunch of the money in one place, But most likely he didn't jump in the place where they found that money exactly. Yeah there, who knows. But they had made it for the money. Well, they made a comment that they had been dredging that river, so that wouldn't have been there or settled where it was unless it had recently been placed there. So it wasn't something that had been sitting there for forty years because if they had dredged, yeah, that would have come up. So some of the consistencies with this particular letter as it pertains to the Zodiac number one, the letters to Tom Voight, which we know Dennis is having an issue with, why are the additional pages missing?

26:54 Why can't we see those? We see double letter spelling errors, which is is in the word corrupt. It's addressed to the editor. We talked about the four I am not that person the fussy rather as to and I shall speaks about interest in the zodiac story. It's perpetrated on an unsuspecting public. I really pay attention to that word because perpetrated on an unsuspecting public, that's exactly what I think of when I think of the government programs, whether it be through the media and commercials, and desensitization through movies about what they're really up to and doing and the things they want us to see, but just little bits and pieces at a time, so that it's not too crazy when it actually comes about. It kind of reminds me of The Simpsons and the whole pandemic, right, you know, we Simpson's portrayed getting a box from China and everybody coming down with a sickness, and so they want to act like Simpsons is nostrodamis Now they're just they're sensationalizing acts that they are already aware of that are going to occur, and they're telling us about it ahead of time. So now, in fact, don't they look clearvoyant? Right?

28:06 Doesn't the Simpsons look clearvoyant because they knew this was going to happen. So in closing, well, the as to my demise again is fussy in closing evidence to prove he as the zodiac again. The psychology behind that just says if you aren't the Zodiac, why would you give them evidence they could exclude you with? And I did all along. He's got this guilty conscience to where eventually he does want to confess. Kurve Well, I think he's more wanting his ego, wants the recognition for what he's done, and he wants a story to be told correctly. He's tired of all of these misconceptions and mysteries and boloney that they're talking about, and he's the one that can provide it. And I believe he probably did provide it. We will never see that that second page has something that Tom Boyd doesn't want the rest of us to see.

29:00 So one point, who controls him? So? And maybe he don't let anyone see that. Well, that has to be the case. He didn't just arbitrarily on his own, I'm sure, decide not to show. That he's in deep and he's got protectors. And controllers, just like our president. So reference to his conscience. There was a few other of the Zodiac letters that expressed this. He indicates perpetrated who's hallucinating and I was the Zodiac claims of using the LSD heroin heavy drinking in a psychotic state. The underground society reference is really important to me because we see underground mentioned a lot in the Zodiac communications all the way through the finale letter with Tim Miller. In these drug states, he believed he was observing, not the perpetrator. That's that I think hypnosis state that Dennis would say that Jack could put himself in I've showed everybody a million times his little symbol for hypnosis that he would use, and there was a direction that said, I don't want to know, so stop trying to dive into your brain or your memory for this information because you don't want to know. This almost as if he's capable of compartmentalizing these items based on triggering words and so forth. They as well as I again as a fussy statement, I remained in my

30:32 own eyes and that those of my peers to be clairvoyant. So here again he's putting himself before the peers. Which is that fussy I am? The police reference that the Zodiac uses, which the linguistics professor from UC Davis indicated that less than two percent of the population would likely form a sentence in that way. Most other people will put the others first in them last, and that's the way we're taught to do it. So for you to collectively decide you're going to put yourself first in any situation is not only showing the narcissism in you, but as well that's something you consciously do when it's not proper grammar. Envelope and fingerprints Tom Void's address. We've got the airmail sticker, So that's the attempt to disguise the state of residence. As in the La Times letter which the Zodiac wrote, also wrote on it airmail, again making it appear as though he's not anywhere close by. Confidential contains unmarked evidence, handle with care, so he took an extra precaution to actually mark the envelope with the fact that there's evidence in here please don't destroy, and fingerprints oriental packaging and known to carry banned chemicals. And so that brings us to our second letter so here. And I'm not sure why so far apart unless obviously Dennis

32:03 is still having issues with Tom, or there's communications going on that we've not seen, you know, why wait a year to respond? But I find this one even more interesting because he does redact things entirely redact. Why why are you redacting this information? And once again transparency. Yeah, so this is. At first place it looks zodiac and even like the slant things like that, but yeah, the writing looks Zodiac. We can see the period the circle period dots, which is under the exclamation under here, and of course period circular period dots is something we definitely noted in Zodiac writing.

32:48 This one, it says on Tom's website, I received this anonymous letter January fifteenth, two thousand and three. Why are you calling it anonymous? He gave you DNA and fingerprints? So what happened with that? What's the information behind? What did you do with that? Who received it? Did anybody investigate it? What's that? What's he concealing? Exactly? So this one says, dear Tom, what irony? What twisted spiraling fate that our paths should cross at this particular time in light of who you are and what I am? It's oh so amazing how fiction imitates life in writing you first the letter, then of course it says you redacted and something I wasn't interested in your website.

33:39 Fact is, until I decided to write, I never entered it nor knew of its existence. And so This is where I say, Dennis is telling Jack about Tom voy and his website and who he is in the state of this case. Okay, I never entered nor knew of its existence. I was honestly not aware of the screen being written about the website a twenty something year old copycat meat. And last, but not least, yours truly, I'm in our it says I in our first communication, simply wanted to appease my conscience. Now, thanks to the miracle of technology, here we are in communication for a second time.

34:19 I appreciate your giving me the information I was looking for. So that proves that Tom Voight has at least responded in some way some fashion, either on his website or through a communication, because he's saying that he appreciates Yeah. Whoops. So we have that first statement, which is a poetic style reference that Zodiac was known for, and then Jack knows a movie is in the making by the second statement, and of course that's where we start to see him talk about wanting to give his story, but it says he is calling the suspect of the film a copycat.

35:03 Ham Next in the next line, and he reiterates his first letter set in the following statement, this is his second to Tom. Evidently Tom void appease Jack with some piece of knowledge. I'm way ahead of myself. I forgot I had fly ins on these things. There are areas of these letters that are redacted, like the Scorpion letters to John Walsh, And what do these people not want the public to know? I'm just going to re state it because it's we're saying again. The letter goes on to say, congratulations on your part for the upcoming movie script. It sounds like fun, but truth will not be served in its current format and ending. Reality is Tom, neither you nor anyone else can write as appropriate and ending for the screenplay. As myself. The last thing the public needs is another fictitious tale. I think that. I mean, That's what I've been screaming right for years now doing this podcast. The last thing we need is more fake suspects, more fake stories, more things to muddy up the waters.

36:09 It says, if you want a news breaking ending along with a realistic storyline between me and the Zodiac wannabe, you need my input, knowing now as you do regards the matches of DNA and points that I am the real deal that I have changed, so it is possible for others to change as well. You need me to help make this box office blockbuster. It can be so again you know for knowing now as you do. Regards to the matches of DNA and points, which is fingerprints, Where does he get this notion that Tomvoit knows this.

36:50 If Tomvoit has it expressed, you are a match. I believe you. He goes on to say, imagine the publicity, Tom, the movie that drew the Zodiac out of hiding. This film has the potential to make your efforts and the efforts of all parties involved in this project profitable in all capital letters, profitable. So again we're seeing that desire for recognition. It compels him to say that his story would be better. That reminds me of the Sherry Joe Bates Citizen letter where they say, wouldn't the story be more interesting to learn about a blueprint designed killer, a boy basically who was built into a killer, And of course trying to get the recognition, wanting the truth to be told that it's him without really saying it's Tim obviously got it, and calling Tom by his name is just like calling Tim by his name in the finale letters, so some of these habits are showing through between these letters.

37:58 Second half of this letter is here's my humble offer. Now this really stands out to me because the next letter we're going to see everyone is the letter to Tim Miller. I call it the finale letter, where he's literally intimated all the different crime screes that he is likely to have been a part of, and he labels the return address as Tom Humble. So we've got the word humble in this letter to Tom, and then we've got the return address being Tom Humble on the finale letter to Tim Miller. So it says, here's my humble offer, with my being who I am in relation to how I've been and what now and what now I am, I want to help fuel this project to the max.

38:40 Take your script to the biggest name studios in Hollywood. Tell them what you know about me, that you can provide proof that you and I are in contact, and that I am willing to offer the meat and potatoes of and the stories ending for a mere US ten million. The money will be deposited upfront into a numbered bank account of my choosing, with the only stipulation being that a trust uh, an organization or foundation be established with my rightful residuals to provide cash flow and closure for the families involved as a result of my deeds past. Wow. Right, so he's talking about the families of his victims. Yeah.

39:20 Yeah, he's basically wanting to put this money aside and the royalties to go into some type of a foundation to provide for these families. Wow. When it comes right all of a sudden, he said he changed. It says, when it comes right down to it, Tom, and then it's reacted. I have changed, and it is possible for others to change. Also, you need me to make this movie in the in the cost effective, truer than life mega hit it can be. Let me know Tom via your wonderful website. So they're communicating, he says, you know who I am. I don't know if Tom is writing, but he's addressing certain things on his website, and Zodiac is is hip to the website.

40:08 Right, and it says yours truly. As we've seen so many things like the dear draft board letters you know, signed yours truly or signed truly. Like again, this is reminiscent of Zodiac communications. Why would he redact the. Bottom exactly, and it says ps well script yeah, yeah, yeah, it says pst not and we get nothing because the whole thing has been redacted. Symbol or something right, because usually. You know, that's a large reaction. It looks to me like he's saying something there that why doesn't Tom want us to see that? But it is so protective about that information that it causes you to react. It Two more references to Tom's name, which accounts for a total of three times in this communication alone, which is identical to the amount of times that Jack wrote John in the John Benet Ramsey note. So we've got cross. So he's calling people by their first names as if he has personal, you know, relations with them, and ah, yes, more redacted areas. Here again is another airmail. We've discussed.

41:13 This one is the one that's coming from Thailand, and of course it's coming back here to the US. So it's likely that it was mailed over in a different packaging to whomever it was that was supposed to take and literally stamp and mail this back to here. That is like handwriting. To me, it's the same handwriting that's on these letters that again Charles identified as being his dad's handwriting. Okay, yeah, it's a little different on the on the envelope anyway. Well, when I did, when I did cross comparisons to a lot of the stuff, there were very many there were many similarities to the handwriting. Yes, and again we see the four digit extension of the zip code again as seen in the anthrax and in the black doll you letters and on and on and on like omember.

42:01 It actually has airmail written three different times and read. You wanted to make sure they understood this is three times and it makes it true, right, yeah, state enough you won't forget it. So when I was under the impression, obviously with doing some research and work on Tim Miller's case, oil kept being brought up, is in regards to superfudge, because that's what they call the the thick, sludgy stuff that they then turn into gas. And so I started to look to see what we had going on. There was actually a humble oil and refining company in Houston, Texas.

42:43 Here's one of the documentations on it, and it is going to the Chief Materials Branch, Directorate of Licensing, US Atomic Energy Commission, Washington, d C. So I just thought that was a little bit of a little piece of history there. This is date stamp December twenty sixth in nineteen seventy two, so we know that they were still actively open at that time. Obviously. So some of the caveats to this letter is that it is to Tom Voight on page one. He'd uses hyphenation just as the Zodiac did. The twisted spiraling fate again is quite like the Tit willow back to that whole poetic style of writing that we see in some of the communications, like the Little List and things like that. Fiction imitates life.

43:36 Talks about the movie that's coming out. He incorrectly spells existence and he's calling it a copycat me because he believes whoever they're going to have play him is not going to do it correctly. And our first communication simply wanted to appease my consciences again I first, first, I E. I don't know why I wrote that anyways, talks about the movie being false unless he writes the ending for them between me and the Zodiac want to be you need my input. What happened to this DNA. We've just asked that claims to have changed and could help make this a blockbuster misspell's potential. The letter to tom Boy, page two. Again, we've got redaction, we've got hyphenation usage, we've got humble same as that Z eighty L ten must be a similar construction of either wording or word requests for exchange of story, for money and trust for families.

44:44 He injured, says he has needed to make this story truer than life and a mega hit. So this is the person I would have expected out of Arthur Lee Allen when he died. If he was truly the Zodiac, he would have been. It's me. I did it. Here's the information, and now we've got somebody willing to give it up, or at least I mean attempting to. We've got the redaction. The envelope, of course again is mailed just as I stated, and the back of the envelope airmail attempt to make it look like it was from another state. Again, so that is consistent with tom VODs and the La Times. Now, the facts that surround these letters, I did kind of a small summary here. It says they were mailed from Thailand and Malaysia to make it look like Zodiac was not in the US. I posed the question to myself, how did Jack pull this off? Answer, I believe is in the next details, which obviously is that John Mark Carr stuff there were four murders in Sonoma County that the Sheriff's Department is sure was the work of the Zodiac. John Mark Carr was in jail awaiting a trial in Sonoma County for child porn charges because they found pictures on his computer at his place of work, which is a university. No less, after nearly ten months in jail, two months before trial, Cars released on his own recognisance. Anyways, he skips town and runs to Thailand, and I believe that it supports he went to Malaysia first, and that's where we see the last anthrax letter aside from this one, coming in with a package of some top toxic chemical. Car starts emailing a

46:16 professor at a university back here in the US, taking credit for the Zodiac and John Bene Ramsey's murders. This coincides with the letters to Tom Voight coming from Thailand. In Malaysia, days before Jack's death, Car walks into a Thailand police department and turns himself in for the murder of John ben A. Ramsey. Now this is the information I had in twenty twenty ten to twenty thirteen, but they subsequently put stuff out stating that they actually busted him, and I think picked him up at his place of work, So I do have that or is it busted for today's internet search. He receives a free ride home via Homeland Security. And in the pictures I saw, he's got like what looks to be a glass of champagne or something in his hand there drinking. They're having a great time.

47:01 He doesn't appear to be in handcuffs. And for a supposed proclaimed child killer, and it's said in one of the articles that the trip home costs more than one hundred thousand dollars. Why why wun't we just throw him an economy class? Why do we send out of our one of our presidential jets and home win Security to get him? When Car reaches Colorado, law enforcement believes that he knows things about the crime that only the killer could know, but his DNA, fingerprints and handwriting are no match, so he's released and extradited to Sonoma County to face the child born charges. Sono mccounty takes Car in, but he is eventually released because they've lost the computer of car that had been in evidence for only five years.

47:45 This is insane. Why is anything having to do with these cases constantly calming up missing. I assure you, if they had evidence on me, they're not losing it. I'm going to jail. I believe there's a strong connection between these pedophiles and criminals. Evidently so, more along the lines of what Harriet was talking about, Harry b was talking about what Lindsey talks about. The area I never really wanted to kind of touch grounds on because I was in disbelief that it had any connection whatsoever to the to the Zodiac killer. But I'm finding that I cannot bifurcate, that I cannot separate one instance from the next, because it does seem to revolve around some element of it.

48:33 Jack takes over. I think of corrupt figures at higher levels that happened to be sex criminals. I've always believed and I think that Tim Miller had relayed to Dennis. We'll talk about that when we get to his letter, that he was involved in stuff during the time his daughter was taken from him, and that the Ramses also understood exactly why their daughter was taken from them. So there was all always this element, and I think this is why the major consensus believed that there is a possibility the Ramses were guilty for having killed their child because they weren't being forthright about something. I feel like that they were holding something back. They were very evasive. I get why you would want to be because until you're proven guilty, right, you don't have to defend yourself right.

49:20 And also, maybe they didn't do it, or maybe they did the Sun didn't do it, but they knew more than they were left out. I think. So. Well, that's pretty much all we have for today. We're down to our last final seconds here. I want to thank everybody again for being with us, and have a wonderful weekend and we will see you next Friday. Thank you, Nolan, Thank you. Have a good weekend.