Who's Tom Voight Part 5

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0:53 Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back to another episode. Of Hit the Road, Jack Finding the Zodiac. I'd like to welcome to the show today. Nolan del Campo, Good morning, everybody. Good morning. I got Napa Hospital on my brain, so going through my father's stuff, and my dad did thirty one years at the Napa State Hospital. Of course, I'm from Napa, and that's why the Zodiac case kind of intrigues me, or at least, you know, it was in my neck of the woods, that Lake very Essa stuff. But there, what's that Hopefully he worked there. He did, he. Did, He totally worked there, and of course in his stuff, and.

1:36 I'm not rely. It's terrible. They tell you, oh, you have a five year limit. No, they can give you forever. Oh, at the asylum. Yeah, I know they have. Yeah. The normay, the rules supposed to be that you can serve no more time in there than you would have gone in the criminal matter. So say your exposure was four years and criminal, the most keep you in the institute or the asylum would be four years. But they have ways around it, and it's not the legislature didn't do it. I don't know. The courts have just developed ways to circumvent it.

2:19 Did they get paid for people be there? Yeah, to keep people there longer than they're supposing. I know that they kept expanding. I'm going to show this picture really quick first, because this is the accepted design for the NAPA State Asylum for the Insane, and that's what it started out to be. Let's see if we can get that up there, we go, Thank you one. So this was the original plan, and of course I've been around long. Enough to know and see it being built out. They added additional. Facilities, in which case, at one point in time, they moved everybody from the back of a prison that was considered psychotic and dangerous to a ward there at the Napa State Hospital, and.

3:03 They had like twenty foot high fences with barbed wire. And here's my little five foot mom going in there to clean these people's junk, because she was a janitor there part time as well while my dad was working there. So it's interesting to see who they move over there. It's not just the insane, but now they're criminally insane as well, which is what you're probably talking about. Right. Well, this particular person pled not guilty by reason of insanity. Oh so, and how many years did he get. Indefinite? But the max is supposed to be the maximum you could have served in jail if you had pled guilty.

3:46 Oh so they I see what you're saying. Now they keep extending. Her Oh jeez. Well, I know that this is one of the locations that a fake phone call to a radio show or a TV show that was focusing on the Zodiac. So the patient evidently was discovered to have been a patient and not the Zodiac, but had made a call out of the NAPA State Hospital to that TV show proclaiming to be the Zodiac, which kind of intrigued me. And that's why I brought this up, if only to mention that and the people that were involved with it so right and standards were the architects and their address at the time was for eighteen California Street, San Francisco, So we got San Francisco helping NAPA to build this beautiful asylum.

4:37 I know, right, like a castle or something like that. And I don't know if that's just a look that they go for. Is that like the stereotypical asylum look? Is that, you know, creepy castle like stuff. Good morning, Lindsey. Good morning. How are y'all? We did it good? We're looking at we were just looking at. I'll show you again in case you didn't, a an architectural plan for the Napa State Hospital. You know, all this building sect and they all looked like that, and it was first that's weird, yeah. Yeah. And then as they built out and around and you served more of the lands right there around it, they added different facilities which included housing criminally insane people, on and on. But as it related to the Zodiac, one of the fake phone calls from a fake Zodiac person claiming to be the Zodiac came out of the Napa State Hospital.

5:33 So that's why I brought that one up. Anyways, a lot of those hospitals nationwide working concert with the CIA and the FBI to do expermin stuff on patients. The mk Ultra program was definitely yet instituted in some of these facilities, and I wouldn't put it past NAPA State Hospital. All right. So getting to our comments this last week, Nancy ruth Owens, I'm assuming they were talking to text when they when they actually wrote this particular comment. But it says nan it, from which I presume is most to say, Nana nan It.

6:17 I don't know. That cracked me up. Bartow Okay, I get it now. All he owns is a bunch of made up bs. And this is in reference to one of our Convoy episodes. Interesting to hear somebody say it's a bunch of made up bs. I haven't necessarily gone as far as to say that it is. Made up bs, just that he. Owns things that no one should own and makes money off of unsolved series of crimes kind of the lowest of the low, while the site's intention is to muddy up the waters, create confusion and telling outright lies about fake suspects. So really it's not necessarily that everything is made up BS, but the way that he keeps the pot stirring and the confusion and the inability for people to actually look at a true suspect while bashing because on his website and is on his board, they're bashing these suspects they don't like or don't want to be brought to light in favor of these fake ones.

7:14 So we're just trying to get that out there. And a lot of times he's spoon fed material whether it's right for actor it or not, and he just regurgitates it. He does, yeah, told what he can say, well, you can't say what he is to say. Yeah, yeah, to go on and disparage Kathleen John's about her mind and what she can or cannot remember is completely just I mean, it's it's flippant at best, because she immediately describes or sees the composite of the zodiac and says, hey, that's the guy that just took me on a ride for an hour and a half, which at that point in time is very fresh in her mind and not a chaotic situation, with the exception of her escape, because he didn't really threaten her, as it's told in the car sother than driving around with her and not letting her go.

8:02 She had a long time to stare. At this individual, and then the Zodiac turns around and writes a letter saying he gave this nice woman and a baby a ride and burned the car, so he confirmed what her her thoughts were. And we still have Tom Voyd over here saying, oh, but who's changed her story so. Many Who cares how many times she's changed it? Who cares? Y gray Smith does her right. He presents her story as told. Right book, and it's hard to avoid the fact that the Zodiac wrote a letter in regards to it. I mean, come on, and he burned the car. Yeah, the same or quite similarm as to the riverside Joe Bates.

8:43 Correct, yep, manipulation of the vehicle. Yeah, so that's one of his tactics, is Arson. So right? Yeah? By fire, by wrote by gun, by. Knife, literally stuck in my head that whole saying, yeah, yeah. That's why pretty much every single unsolved murder that I have in this presentation revolves around those four things, you know, and especially if a twenty two is involved where a gun is applicable, but by fire, by knife, and I don't think that we've literally stumbled onto all like we talked about a fire in a cabin which Dennis had recollected Jack talking about burning somebody in a cabin in the woods, and then we had I actually found an unsolved murder of a man that was burnt in a cabin in the woods.

9:31 So I don't think that we've necessarily even found. All of the acts that the Zodiac said you won't even recognize because they're going to look like accidents and fakes and all of these things. So I think there's a lot more out there that can be attributed to him. A little bit in the news is this whole SBA thing with COVID. I thought this was an interesting take. So Kyle Rays on LinkedIn had put up a news clip of basically some more fraud that we're looking at, and it says much must watch. We've now learned by Trump SBA chief Kelly Loeffler that the Biden administration reportedly ordered employees to ignore the US Treasuries do not pay list for grants and seventy percent were flagged for fraud.

10:15 That's how fourteen billion got out the door. So quickly. They ordered SBA employees to take four hours per applicant and not anymore. Then we come to find out in the GAO report that seventy percent of it was fraudulent. Now, we from day one at the SBA have come in with a zero tolerance policy on fraud, and so we began cracking down on it right away. We've already sent out one thousand demand letters demanding that those who took the money. Now, these were not loans, these were grants. These were the federal government writing checks of our taxpayer's money, which is really really upsetting because it indicated that seventy percent of this went to celebrities. Now, I don't know.

10:55 Is that small Business Administration correct? And this was supposed to us and help small businesses during COVID. In fact, these small. Businesses weren't the ones that were reaping the benefits or getting the grants. It was going to celebrities and the do not pay list. I mean, come on, let's talk about this. If you're given four hours to deal with every applicant, the first check you do is that do not pay list? How long would that take? Three seconds? Yeah, that's crazy? Four hours a lot really? Somebody said it's short, but no, four hours get a lot dead. I would like to know who these celebrities were that they're quoting were the ones that took seventy percent of it. But it's fourteen billion of our taxpayer's money went to people who.

11:36 Were already rich. But how many small businesses were put out of business during COVID. I was a small business that suffered for three years trying to get, you. Know, claw back my way back up to the top again. John. Here's some of the clips that they were showing. So it was basically Fox News. Now, Fox News is the entertainment guys, not news. Keep that in mind. We can't really hold to your daughter in them. Well, they were sued and I guess they settled, but they said we're entertainment, not the news. What the f does that not say news? That says news? Fox News?

12:16 Yeah. It was a Facebook post a very long time ago, but it was something to do with them having settled a lawsuit with another person or entity, and they claimed that they're here for entertainment, not honesty and trustworthiness. Well they well that's what they do, they themselves. Right, they disclosed who are No, That's what I would love to see. But we we do know that Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch, right, yeah, yeah, so yeah, no, wonder they're not into telling the truth. But you can see some of these headlines here, DEM's built a COVID fraud machine, DEMS fraud machine eats your tax dollars, and Den's handed ten billion in COVID cash to Celeste, ten billion dollars to people who are already rich.

13:10 Okay, I hope he's businesses right. Well, small businesses are going out of business left and right, all right. Climbing back onto the Tom Voight train, here we have Sherry Joe Bates twelve twenty four, question my Riverside. And the Radian. Now, the radian does travel right on through Riverside and all the way down into the LA area. So I want everybody to keep in mind when we go back as far as Black Dahia and and the Riverside killings and things like that, that this is in play via the cryptic messages having to do with the radians sent by the Zodiac. So the folloween letter. The base of the radiance is of Mount Diablo, correct.

13:52 Correct, Yes, that's our pivotal point. And then off of that at he labeled it twelve three six nine, So basically you had it almost looks like a clock. If you will, But then we know navigation is based off of a watch. You can't actually do your latitude and longitude based to off of a watch with hands that is not a digital watch these days. I got to remember some people don't remember those watches. Now, I'm wondering if twelve twenty four was if it serves me correctly, twelve twenty four being the time that the watch that was found at the bait scene. Was broken at.

14:33 So it was stopped I believe at twelve twenty four, and that's why they believe that's when or around the time. The murder occurred. But that doesn't sound right because she came out of the library around nine, and I think they thought that it happened more closer to ten thirty. So this kind of reminds me of the late night walk of the Swindles, and it takes me back that watch, back to the Swindles again as a possibility of where that watch came from and being dropped as a clue at Sherry Joe bates. Well, it is a clue, but we don't know what the significance is. Right, it was of the time. I think you're right about the time. I think she died earlier than that, but there's a reason that it was set to twelve twenty four. We just don't know yet.

15:19 Well, it was dead at twelve twenty four, so it wasn't that it was Yeah, all. Right, so it says. The following letter to Riverside Police Department was copied to me recently by Mike rr of New Jersey with the author's permission, I am reprinting it here as a historical document, edited slightly for privacy. It provides a new theory regarding the time shown on the watch found at the Riverside crime scene, and submits that the radian had been planned out as early as nineteen sixty six. Responses maybe at be made at the newsgroup all got true hyphen crime, where they will be dissected mercilessly by a panel of self appointed experts, or through the email link below, whence they will be forwarded.

16:02 Whence they will be forwarded to the author. Whence hence like, I oh't know what that just tickled me. So basically, here is the November twelfth, nineteen ninety eight, Chief Jerry Carroll, Riverside Police Department, Riverside, California, Dear Sir, I'm sending you this letter after consultation with my brother, John, a sergeant in the New York City Police Department. When you read what it is in reference to, I'm sure you will utter a few choice expletives, hopefully mild ones. Nevertheless, it is my sincere hope that you will read the letter in its entirety, and that after doing so, you will find what I have to say intriguing enough to give it some honest thought. That is all I could ask of you and your department.

16:45 This letter is in reference to the October thirtieth, nineteen sixty six murder of Sherry Joe Bates. I'm certain you must wish at some level that you are you and your department had never heard of this crime or of the Zodiac Killer. Undoubtedly, it has been a major distraction and of innumerable headaches for the RPD over the years. I realized that in hope to add intelligent, not unintelligible thought to the discussion of the case. In spite of all the headaches and wild theories over the years, I am sure that there is some part of you and the RPD in general, who would love to know who killed Miss Baits. All those years ago. If it was Zodiac, so be it. If not, then who. I do not pretend to know who killed miss Baits, but I think I have found a way to help your department get insight into who it may have been by using a piece of tangible physical evidence that is in your possession, the TIMEX watch. One of the most controversial aspects of the Zodiac case is the radiant theory. Many people scoff at this as being part of Zodiac's plan. I feel that the theory is a valid issue for one reason.

17:47 Zodiac himself implied in one of his own letters that he was constructing this shape with his murder sites. And after all, he did take incredible risks to make the cab driver's sign go into a populated residential neighborhood before killing him. Knowing that he needed to kill him in a specific location goes a long way to explain the risk Zodiac took that night. The problem with the radiant is that it is first explained in a very complex and out there book. I grant you that, but we must realize that Garth Penn did not devise the radiance scheme himself. He was merely the first to demonstrate it on paper at Zodiac's prodding. I do not agree with much of the out there stuff that Penn says, but I strongly. Believe that we ignore the Radiant at our own.

18:27 Risk, as it is an important aspect of the case. I also believe that Sherry Joe Bates tied into the Radian and that the time Ax is the link between her, the Radian, and Zodiac. I hope you will entertain my thoughts on this subject. If the time Ax were planted to tie Baits into the other crimes, it was an act of incredible cunning and pre planning because the other crimes were still over two years in the future. I believe that confirming this would provide us tremendous insight into the Zodiac's mind. I first became. Toake, but it's a really long hurt. What's up, ah? This is a letter that was lol. It's a letter that was written to the Riverside Police Department from somebody who was making a tie together of Sherry Joe Bates and Zodiac. He says, I first became seriously interested in the Zodiac case and heard of the Radian theory early this past August. I'm not an obsessed long term follower of this case, but a serious, well educated researcher.

19:23 I then saw the Riverside. Timex via email on August twenty eighth, nineteen ninety eight. I didn't look at it for ten seconds when I knew it was tied into the radian from the Bay Area, and I did it with junior high school math. I'm not Garth Penn. Oh that corrects via a radian is an angle between fifty seven and fifty eight degrees. This is the actual angle made when you link the Valeo San Francisco murder sites with the point or apex of the angle placed on Mount Diablo as zodiac not Penn instructs you to do if you if you extend the north south segment of the angled suth words at is directly through the city of Riverside see the illustration below.

20:03 It serves to call our attention to. Bates like a big arrow and seems to be much more than just a coincidence. Finally, a straight line is one hundred and eighty degrees. Using that knowledge, we can tie the radi into the watch to get a straight line one hundred and eighty degrees. Starting with the radiant angles fifty seven fifty eight degrees, you must add one twenty two to one to twenty three degrees. An alternative way of expressing one hundred and twenty two to one hundred and twenty three degrees is one twenty two hyphen one twenty three. That is the exact time on the timex twelve twenty three. Huh. This is the link between Bates in northern California. What Zodiac may have been saying is that in the future, after he finished constructing the radian up north, you could link the murder of Bates by creating a straight line backwards by adding.

20:50 The tarty the watch Yeah, I got you got yeah. It says what Zodiac may have been may. What Zodiac may have been saying is that in the future, after he finished constructing the radian up north, you could link the murder of Bates by creating a straight line backwards by adding the time. On the watch. What are you doing, Nolan? I think you're freezing because you're popping up in the middle of my sentences as if you're not hearing me. You might want to back out and come back in. What Zodiac may have been saying is that in the future.

21:31 After he finished construction constructing the radian up north, you could link the murder of Bates by creating a straight line backwards by adding the time on the watch to the radiant angle. He was giving us a roadmap two years in advance. I understand that RPD is currently of the belief that Bates was not Zodiac victim, but I believe that the timex may prove otherwise. I believe the watch has a story to tell us. I am submitting the following list of questions to you and hope you will examine the watch and answer them. This case is over thirty years old, and yet after all that time, we now have a chance to use a real piece of tangible physical evidence to link. Zodiac to Bates. There are no outlandish theories or complex calculations involved here. I believe that at this point in time, it is worth answering these questions if it will possibly provide us once and for all with the truth about the death of Sherry Joe Bates and insight into the calculating mind of the Zodiac.

22:21 Here are the questions. Number one, was the watch definitely stopped when it was found? Do the pictures of the watch which I have been circulated on the internet. Reflect the time it showed when found on October thirty first, nineteen sixty six, twelve twenty three, or so I e. Was it subsequently wound tested reset by law enforcement in Riverside, San Francisco. DOJ or the FBI? Are there photos reports indicating whether it was found face up or face down? And the time it showed? Does it have a luminescent face or illuminescent numerals? If it was found face up. If the face had luminescent qualities, might we make a case for killer have no reason to be unable to locate it that night? This ad credits the idea that it was his intent to leave it behind. And if so, why was the watch ever taken apart by your department or anyone else and examined? Was the backplate ever removed and the internal mechanism examined? Is there any writing on the inside of the backplate that might link it to Zodiac?

23:20 If the watch was dismantled, was it in working order that night or was there any evidence that was disabled in any way? Mainspring removed, et cetera. It disabled? It was surely left with the intention of being found with the hands at whatever position the killers set them to. I realized that this list may be a bit dizzy and in its detail, but this watch could prove to be a key piece of evidence in establishing Zodiac's motive for killing Baits, not as a sex crime, but as a seemingly random act which was in fact related to his overall scheme. Similar to all but one of his other attacks. Zodiac was an intelligent and cunning person, and it should surprise no one familiar with this case to learn that he may have played into that watch and then run his fingers along the ground to make it appear.

24:03 He was looking for it. If we are ever to have any hope of unmasking Zodiac at this late date, we must be able to profile and understand him as precisely as possible. I hope you agree with me that finding a tool to help strip this crime of the sexual overtone suggested in the confession letter to your department would change our image profile of Zodiac and at least put us on a better path to his door, whoever and wherever he is. And after all, Zodiac's later crimes hardly revealed him to be a sexual sadist. He killed men and women and ended his reign of terror by killing a lone male Cavey. Therefore, the letter would prove to be a red herring sent for the purpose of making us think Zodiac was a common sexual sadus when his motives were actually far more complex.

24:47 Chief Carol I realized that the murder of Scherry Joe Bates took place a long time ago. But a murder case, as they say, is never closed until the killer is brought to justice. The Zodiac case is arguably the most intriguing, complex and afflin case in the history of crime in this country. Well, I wonder why because Hollyweird and media and the likes of Tom Voight have kept us stirring in circles instead of actively looking for the suspect or even allowing the investigation to proceed on a very good and valid suspect such as Jack Terrence. I think, yeah, they too. I was gonna say this, he has some good questions and it seems like he was on the right. Path, right it says. In the next few days, Zodiac will be featured on America's Most Wanted eleven fourteen ninety eight Ding Ding ding Ding.

25:33 So this is our first introduction with John Walsh right the Zodiac Tom Voight, And I'm not sure I want to say that Bart was around for this, but I'm not sure. I do know that he had been invited on he had looked at the letters. I'm just not really sure what the time frame was, but I had thought that it was around this time as well. And that's how he knew who Dennis Kaufman was, is his close ties with Tom Voight. Because when I first mentioned Dennis Kaufman and Jack Terrence, Bart Baggett was completely aware of who I was talking about. And that's odd, right, I mean, if you're not all up in the cover up trying to put out fake suspects such as Debora Perez, how do you know about my suspect which I had never even so much as heard of until the day he came to me?

26:21 Or should I say the client, Dennis Kaufman. Oh, just on this side, I was listening to the ice Cube CD America's Most Wanted Yesterday. It's his WUCD after NWA America. So right, so in the next few days, Zodiac will be featured on America's Most Want of eleven fourteen ninety eight, is going to be the subject of a new feature movie, Go Figure, and will be the subject of several new books. In short, the case still haunts us even after all these years. It is for that reason that the search for Zodiac will and should continue as long as there's at least some reasonable hope of apprehending him. I believe that your department, Balleto, and the FBI would still have an interest in knowing just who this man was and how he was capable of doing what he did, even though it all occurred well over a generation ago.

27:14 Like Jack the. Ripper, it has become a timeless mystery which begs to be solved. I know, I just can't get some of these missives. Just kill me, Okay. So he wrote it to the police department before it air. Yes, yes, he wrote this to Riverside Police Department before America's Most Wanted It aired. But he is obviously privy to all the things that are happening surrounding this case. So here we are busily making movies and doing shows and writing books instead of actively investigating.

27:55 And now I know Dennis doesn't come about until to. Especially so many years afterwards. That he's still invested and still fired off good takes to the cops. Right, Yeah, well, and Dennis doesn't see this this zodiac America's most wanted until two thousand, so Jack has not been put on the pedestal yet for anybody to look at. But from that time forward, it seems that San Francisco pet wanted to dismiss it, Tom Boyd wanted to dismiss it. I mean the FBI didn't dismiss it. In fact, again, like I said, they still in possession of all of the evidence, including the hood. They gave nothing back, so I don't know where the where it since these days.

28:36 I think by the FBI dismissing it in the San Francisco and another law enforcement I don't think that's a bad thing for our take because I think it adds credence to what we might be under the truth. So well, but yeah, yeah it does. But the FBI didn't dismiss it, took it very serious. Worked with Dennis Kaufman from two thousand when he was when he was Jack was turned in as a suspect until at least my knowledge, when Dennis moved away in twenty thirteen, had been. Working all those years, and I know that from two thousand and nine until two thousand. And twelve, I believe it was it was approximately three years that we were back and forth at the FBI's office. That the FBI.

29:16 Took Jack Terrence as a suspect very seriously, but couldn't get cooperation from any of the other departments, such as San Francisco PD, in order to do the DNA test properly. You know, as FPD gets busted that their lab has been altering and botching tests and stealing drugs and doing all kinds of crazy stuff under Gerald Brown's take, and he had to come out and smack him on the butt and fire a bunch of people. But so all kinds of nasty, shisty things were going on in the two thousands. It's also possible that the FBI was using Dennis and to gather evidence and to conceal it exactly. And that's what I feel like, giving.

29:58 Lip service to Games and his suspect and doing you know, initial investigations. But I think they more wanted to get from him than they gave you guys. And some of the excuses that they gave us were bs. And I know that for a fact, was the hood, the hood that they're still in possession of. That the one that Dennis gave him. Yeah, it was the one that was found in the PA system that Jack had owned. Yeah, that's that's on the Afterguardy Jones. Yes, yes, episode, Yes true crimes. Yeah, for investigation discovery. So he goes on to say thank you for your time and for your kind consideration of this letter. I feel that if it can be proven that the watch was left behind for reason, we should make every effort to allow it to tell us its story. To what extent this was done in the past, I do not know.

30:49 It is a part of the thorough investigation necessary to find him. As this late date, I have included an illustration of my description discussion of the radian for your examination. I think that a picture is worth a thousand words in this case, Sincerely yours, Mike are Wow. I wish we had that picture right, Yeah, some of the images well, and I didn't have any links for that whole entire. Letter, so I have no idea what letter it is because there wasn't even a link to go to it. At least not on what was left over on the way back. Machine after tom BOYD stripped everything, so maybe this is one of the things he stripped because the narrative was going to change. They wanted to start bifurcating the Sherry Joe Bates as part of the Zodiac crimes theory, and we saw that starting to happen, I want to say in twenty twenty when they wanted to say, oh, it wasn't a military person, or it wasn't it wasn't related.

31:49 I mean, they came out with all kinds of bs. And that's just. Because they can change the narrative because nobody knows history. They don't really know where all this started and where it has come to and what is and said by different police departments. So the new generation is just going to hear what they hear right now. I think another significant clue is in the one of the letters written. I don't know if what the cops or the newspaper that Bates had to die, So that was she wasn't randomly selected as a murder victim or just conveniently picked. She was chosen, right. And it's also a fact that her father had ties to the military industrial complex.

32:33 Correct in nevauto, Yes, correct, Okay, there was a definitely that's true too. Why did she have to die? And we have that in his letter, but we also have him making these statements in actual crimes as witnesses you know, have come forward to say that, you know, he made reference to had to need to you know, don't want to do this, but have to do this kind of you know, meant as far. As his acts, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, it's just something inside him or if he was conditioned, who. Knows, you know, well, I think he was conditioned, and I think that he was given certain people to take out, and so it could have been like a hit you know, within her family against her family or father, you know, in the military. We know how nears the military is.

33:26 Yeah, along with the Swindells and the couple over near the Santa Barbaria Lombo coasts past. I forget their names. One of them has like a Latino surname. But anyway, all those I think we're like trial runs for the ultimate Zodiac spree. Yeah right, you know. And here now I'm looking at those list of letters, and I keep going. Back and forth because I feel like I never know what Voic's last name really is and how it's really spelt. I corrected myself, thinking that after seeing it on his on his website information that it was v O I G HD. But now I'm seeing next to the all three envelopes to the Riverside Press, and Joseph Bates, sent April nineteen sixty seven, has attributed to Voight actually having these letters, and he spells it here VOIGT. So I don't know if somebody else is writing his stuff or which version of his name is his real name. Kind of makes me feel like Terence Lawrence.

34:30 Wait that GD. There's three different ways to spell vo with the G because that the G takes the place of the H or the gh was the same sound and just two letters, and there's like the football Voight v O I T huh. Good little English language. I'm just saying I wanted to be accurate on here, and I keep changing and thinking I found how it's supposed to be spelt, and then once again I see it spelled opposite of how. I'm doing it. So it's not the I mean to slaughter your name, but evidently it's all over your board in a different way each time. I V O I G T.

35:11 Now, well, if I have G H because I found g H and then thought, oh, I had it as GT to begin with. Now I've got it wrong. I'm going to change it the GH. Now I think I need to go back and change it to GT. Yeah, wait, wait, wait, I. Worry about it. I'm as spelling at v O. I t let's just get rid of the GH. It's totally not necessary. Here's a list of letters, and these are the links that take you to the actual letters, which some of them I inserted inserted, but I wasn't going to have us go all the way back through or over every single one of these letters. But you can actually see who he attributes them to. So the comfession letter came from the Riverside Press Enterprise, the desktop poem was from Gray Smith. Bates Had to Die also from Gray Smith. All three envelopes to the Riverside PD Press and Joseph Bates at April nineteen sixty seven are attributed to Void.

36:07 How he gets his hands on I don't know. Once again, the Valeo Times Herald cryptogram cover letter. So we see all of the different types of letters that he has listed on his board here, and then you could go and see those letters. And I'm sure, I've got them up somewhere as well. Other documents, some photographs, the eight Known Zodiac, the eight known Zodiac victims by Time, my boy, I know, but this may be the inclusion of Sherry Joe Bates, because you've got to remember, this is what he's saying in nineteen ninety eight, right, so I. Would call it eight at that point. Watch found it.

36:49 Right. But they're all still victims. They're all victims of Zodiac. Yes, so he mentions the Watch. A close up of the Watch the Lake Herman Road scene which chalk outline is owed to Butterfield. Butterfield's another one of those people in this industry that has I think done enough to stir the pot. Maybe former FBI or some type of law enforcement. Photographic map of the eastern Balao area showing blue rock springs on Lake Herman Road and then photos from Lake Barriessa, including area of attack is from Time Life, and a car door inscription is from Gray Smith. Two rare police sketches of the Zodiac for Napa and Sonoma Counties are from Voight. So here's the funny thing is that Void came out and tried to tell us that the sketch from Sonoma County, which is dead on, Like, you cannot mistake the Sonoma County composite for Jack Tarrence, for anybody other than Jack Terrence.

37:46 He is an absolute one hundred percent match to that composite. And when Dennis tried to get this composite out, Void and his cronies began slamming Dennis saying that that wasn't even done by Sonoma County, but here it is on his board. Two rare police sketches of the zodiac from naplans Sonoma Counties. Wow, francisc the composite that sticks out in my mind to most anyways, like in general, even if I didn't know anything, so I mean, yeah, And when you put it up to Jack's picture, it's like the lower. Eye, the forehead, the hair, the style, everything was absolutely perfect. Jack. Space is just a little longer, but that's easy to get. You know. It's a compositor. It's not our picture.

38:31 Which compositor are you thinking of, Nolan, because we're talking about the shorter uh. The Sonoma County composite is like with with the hair, it's not slipped back like we. See the San Francisco composite. From officers. It is. It is, and and of course when we were working and putting out side by side on Jack's pictures, that's when we were getting slammed by Tom and his crony's saying that that was done by some some I think, investigative journalist out of another state somewhere. But he shows it right here in nineteen ninety eight. So again they're trying to steer that pot, push away this notion because now Jack's been identified that composite matches too closely.

39:14 This was drawn by somebody that doesn't even know what they're talking about. Okay, whatever, I'm sorry that it matches Jack, guys, and the handwriting matches too. What do you want me to say? Exactly? San Francisco exam go ahead is so like. Refresh, But the what that composite just to refresh people's memory? It was? I think that it was a more in depth attempt at creating a composite. And the likeness is just absolutely uncanny. It's not, oh, could it match five or ten different people, No, this could match only Jack Terrence when you.

39:57 Put them side by side, Soma not Solano, Sonoma County. Because we had the hitchhiker murders in that area. Right, But there was no zodiac in Sonoma County, although well there were words that Jack may have done up there. You know a lot of along the river or whatnot, lots of Sara Rosa that area. Well, gray Smith attributes the hitchhiker. Gray Smith attributes the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murders to the zodiac in his books. So I think that's where Sonoma County gets involved. Obviously out there in that area. Got a San Francisco Examiner article about the Kathleen John's incident, a map showing the radian and giant Z radiance degrees, minutes and seconds by McMillan Forest Pines advertisement, a neon sign for zodiac watches in Atlantic City, New Jersey, photos from Riverside Community College, and a nineteen sixty six Forard zodiac photos can contributed by a reader.

41:01 So I wonder what the nineteen sixty six Ford. Zodiac because this may be where that gentleman I spoke to a week and a half or so ago, thought that a Ford Mustang was mentioned. So this is the first time I'm seeing Ford, because I told the gentleman I hadn't heard anything about a Ford. But it is also not telling me what make the vehicle is. It just says the nineteen sixty six Ford is that that is? That? Not the van? What van? The van that Jack had? Was it not a Ford? Jack didn't have a van that I know of, and I never heard of a Ford. Zodiac personally, Mustard, No.

41:46 I don't think zodiac is the make Okay, nineteen sixty six Fords Zodiac? I think does that mean what it means? Right? I was? I did some looking up of emblems, and I feel like I did find an emblem for a vehicle that was a Zodiac. I'm gonna have to go back and follow that line again again. There's so many holes you can go down here right. Ah, here we go Snowma County Composite. So here is the Sonoma County Composite. That's Jack all day long. Like anybody try to argue me anything different like that is absolutely one hundred percent Jack all day long.

42:30 And of course these other pictures Dennis likened to. Denny, Jack's biological son, much younger individual, but I also shared that that Jack's brother Donald looked a lot like Denny when he was a kid, So. Yes, it was definitely his younger brother. And and by the girth that was described of this second suspect at Lake Berryessa, I wondered if it could even possibly have been Denny, because Denny was a very skinny kid when he was in Vietnam. His pictures show him he's he's very thin and he's not, you know, a bulky type person.

43:12 So yeah, So I did have some of these other ur ls I've not seen, I've not seen and do not have. I needed to check Gracemith's book on some of these particular communications Voight Manson murders connection. So Voight back then was even showing that Manson had a connection them handwriting dot com selebs which is Voytan and Bart Baggett. That shows their inclusion. So now we've got two people who are putting forth false suspects. I want you guys to understand that there is a rhyme and reason to what we see going on here, why these individuals are attributed to each other and their need to help Hollyweird.

43:59 Put out fit suspects. Interesting. It can't be to just make money, because you're not going to make a lot of money off of a documentary and highly likely not going to make a lot of money off of a book. I know that Bart Beckett has produced many books, he obviously hasn't got rich off of it. I would like to see more Voight's Manson murders connections, because, as you know, that's one of my areas I study. It is the whole man's thing. Well, I think that's also the bigger picture of that is mind control. But also Jerry, I'm so to Sam mentions Manson and has a little bit about Manson there too. Mind control.

44:43 Well, I think this is the area in which the CIA and the media is perpetuating the notion of Colt and Satanic rituals and beliefs. Through these acts. They're creating it, you know, just like I feel like they created the serial killer. Yes, did we have serial killers long before Jack? We absolutely did. We have people burying people in their backyard in Texas. Since the Donna, you know, the Dawn of the Ages. But did we know what they word, how to sensationalize them, give them a name such as a serial killer? Did we know all of this stuff until these programs were set in play? To obviously set up the design for others to follow. Literally, that's the key word their design design exactly.

45:30 The early ones was uh, well, of course early was Jack the River, but he wasn't called serial killer. It came into fashion that I think the sixties that term, and Albert Salvo, who was uh blamed for the claim to be the Boston Strangler, that that came into vogue after him. Well, define Bailey was his lawyer. To again, go ahead, Lindsey, you know, I looked at the list one day because I wanted to like write down every single serial killer that was known to man, like that they have reported on. And literally Jack the Ripper is is listed as one of the serial killers.

46:13 So it's like now they're calling him that a serial killer even though they weren't. But then if you look at the victims, because I've also did the chart where I put the victims of how many they are associated with, Like you said, like I think Jack the Ripper was like what three maybe two? And then there was also another one I think Albert is Albert is in England or it was like the very first one that's like listed it's Albert something. But I got like a top haad On in the picture in his picture and his I thought. Jack the Ripper was more than two or three. I thought Jack the Ripper was about.

46:55 Yeah, I thought it was a little more substantial. I don't think they I don't think they call you a serial killer until after three. I just got this notion. I've been watching again. I think it's like the World's Most Dangerous Criminals or something like that, and I'm done. I'm listening to it because I'm hearing this repetitive nonsense from the psychotherapist and the inmate or. The good gosh, the the people. I can't. No, no, I don't know why I'm losing it, because I've been listening to it for the last several days and I just finally stopped.

47:38 I'm like, if you guys know that. These people are repeat offenders who murder, end up in prison, and then continue to murder not only innocent you know, people that are working at the prison, but others as well, trying to escape or doing whatever, and other inmates that they're killing. That these people don't deserve to be alive, and the rest of the population doesn't deserve to be to them, like, put these people out of their freaking misery and out of our misery as far as I'm concerned, what's that at that point. They go ahead, go ahead, lindsay, I said, at that point, they still need to use them for something if they're letting out like that so easily.

48:26 Yeah, it's it's absolutely insane. I mean, somebody who kills I don't I don't think that unless it was an accidental death, I don't think that they can ever be rehabilitated from that. Yeah, So stop telling us what a poor childhood they had and what may have contributed to the acts that they're doing, and let's just get rid of them. Let's be done. Last last thing on this slide. It's the second and final letters sent to the Balleo Times Herald, seven August nineteen seventy. This is the only section of the letter to be published by Grace Smith. It's a compositive Sonoma County composite composite sketches of the zodiac from Sonoma Napa Counties. It is unknown why Sonoma County would issue a zodiac sketch, as no zodiac crimes are acknowledged in that area.

49:08 So this goes further to instill that notion that Sonoma County is the. One that did and initiated this sketch as of nineteen ninety eight, I think that is about all we have you guys, Is there anything last minute. You'd like to say? Having turned this weekend and ready. Thank you you have a great time on the river. Oh, I have everybody, one way or another. Everybody have a wonderful weekend. Thank you for being here, and we will see you back next Friday. See your next Friday. Peace babies,