June 8, 2026

Who's Tom Voight Part 5

Who's Tom Voight Part 5
iHeartRadio podcast player iconSpotify podcast player iconAmazon Music podcast player iconAudible podcast player iconPandora podcast player iconSpreaker podcast player iconPodchaser podcast player iconApple Podcasts podcast player iconPodcast Addict podcast player iconAudacy podcast player iconTuneIn podcast player iconCastro podcast player iconCastbox podcast player iconCastamatic podcast player iconFountain podcast player iconGoodpods podcast player iconOvercast podcast player iconPocketCasts podcast player iconPodurama podcast player iconPodyssey podcast player iconRSS Feed podcast player iconYoutube Music podcast player iconYouTube podcast player iconDeezer podcast player iconJioSaavn podcast player icon
iHeartRadio podcast player iconSpotify podcast player iconAmazon Music podcast player iconAudible podcast player iconPandora podcast player iconSpreaker podcast player iconPodchaser podcast player iconApple Podcasts podcast player iconPodcast Addict podcast player iconAudacy podcast player iconTuneIn podcast player iconCastro podcast player iconCastbox podcast player iconCastamatic podcast player iconFountain podcast player iconGoodpods podcast player iconOvercast podcast player iconPocketCasts podcast player iconPodurama podcast player iconPodyssey podcast player iconRSS Feed podcast player iconYoutube Music podcast player iconYouTube podcast player iconDeezer podcast player iconJioSaavn podcast player icon

How exactly does any one person end up owning the rights to images, news reels, pictures, audio, and a money-making website in the guise of a donation or sales in an unsolved multiple homicide case? All inquiries about the Zodiac Killer from media or news is deferred to him as well even though many of his suspects are false. He is a consultant for Hollyweird, and purported know it all. Let’s see what is or isn’t as it is portrayed on his website circa 1998-2003 before it is shut down from AOL.

Hit the Road Jack: Finding the Zodiac is broadcast live Fridays at 10AM PT on K4HD Radio - Hollywood Talk Radio (www.k4hd.com) part of Talk 4 Radio (www.talk4radio.com) on the Talk 4 Media Network (www.talk4media.com). Hit the Road Jack: Finding the Zodiac TV Show is viewed on Talk 4 TV (www.talk4tv.com).

Hit the Road Jack: Finding the Zodiac Podcast is also available on Talk 4 Media (www.talk4media.com), Talk 4 Podcasting (www.talk4podcasting.com), iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Audible, and over 100 other podcast outlets.

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/hit-the-road-jack-finding-the-zodiac--5297837/support.

WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:04.519
This program is designed to provide general information with regards

2
00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:07.480
to the subject matters covered. This information is given with

3
00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:11.919
the understanding that neither the hosts, guests, sponsors, or station

4
00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:18.920
are engaged in rendering any specific and personal medical, financial, legal, counseling,

5
00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:21.480
professional service, or any advice.

6
00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:23.920
You should seek the services.

7
00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:49.320
Of competent professionals before applying or trying any suggested ideas.

8
00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:56.159
Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

9
00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:57.880
to another episode.

10
00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:00.759
Of Hit the Road, Jack Finding the Zodiac. I'd like

11
00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:05.920
to welcome to the show today. Nolan del Campo, Good morning, everybody.

12
00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:06.519
Good morning.

13
00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:13.200
I got Napa Hospital on my brain, so going through

14
00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:15.719
my father's stuff, and my dad did thirty one years

15
00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:18.040
at the Napa State Hospital. Of course, I'm from Napa,

16
00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:20.439
and that's why the Zodiac case kind of intrigues me,

17
00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:22.400
or at least, you know, it was in my neck

18
00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:26.560
of the woods, that Lake very Essa stuff. But there,

19
00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:29.959
what's that Hopefully he worked there.

20
00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.159
He did, he.

21
00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:36.760
Did, He totally worked there, and of course in his stuff, and.

22
00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:37.920
I'm not rely.

23
00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:41.000
It's terrible. They tell you, oh, you have a five

24
00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:43.519
year limit. No, they can give you forever.

25
00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:46.040
Oh, at the asylum.

26
00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:53.319
Yeah, I know they have. Yeah. The normay, the rules

27
00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.000
supposed to be that you can serve no more time

28
00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.519
in there than you would have gone in the criminal matter.

29
00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:02.000
So say your exposure was four years and criminal, the

30
00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:06.599
most keep you in the institute or the asylum would

31
00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.680
be four years. But they have ways around it, and

32
00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:14.080
it's not the legislature didn't do it. I don't know.

33
00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.840
The courts have just developed ways to circumvent it.

34
00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:21.400
Did they get paid for people be there?

35
00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:25.039
Yeah, to keep people there longer than they're supposing.

36
00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:28.080
I know that they kept expanding.

37
00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:30.280
I'm going to show this picture really quick first, because

38
00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:33.960
this is the accepted design for the NAPA State Asylum

39
00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:36.960
for the Insane, and that's what it started out to be.

40
00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:38.919
Let's see if we can get that up there, we go,

41
00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:40.240
Thank you one.

42
00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.439
So this was the original plan, and of course I've

43
00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:44.439
been around long.

44
00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:47.560
Enough to know and see it being built out. They

45
00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:49.560
added additional.

46
00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:53.879
Facilities, in which case, at one point in time, they

47
00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:56.599
moved everybody from the back of a prison that was

48
00:02:56.680 --> 00:03:01.879
considered psychotic and dangerous to a ward there at the

49
00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:03.199
Napa State Hospital, and.

50
00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:05.879
They had like twenty foot high fences with barbed wire.

51
00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:08.400
And here's my little five foot mom going in there

52
00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:12.120
to clean these people's junk, because she was a janitor

53
00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.439
there part time as well while my dad was working there.

54
00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:17.919
So it's interesting to see who they move over there.

55
00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:20.919
It's not just the insane, but now they're criminally insane

56
00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.159
as well, which is what you're probably talking about.

57
00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:28.240
Right. Well, this particular person pled not guilty by reason

58
00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:29.000
of insanity.

59
00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:36.159
Oh so, and how many years did he get.

60
00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:42.159
Indefinite? But the max is supposed to be the maximum

61
00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.840
you could have served in jail if you had pled guilty.

62
00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:50.000
Oh so they I see what you're saying.

63
00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.159
Now they keep extending.

64
00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:54.599
Her Oh jeez.

65
00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:57.000
Well, I know that this is one of the locations

66
00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.680
that a fake phone call to a radio show or

67
00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:04.879
a TV show that was focusing on the Zodiac. So

68
00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:09.400
the patient evidently was discovered to have been a patient

69
00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:12.120
and not the Zodiac, but had made a call out

70
00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:15.879
of the NAPA State Hospital to that TV show proclaiming

71
00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.800
to be the Zodiac, which kind of intrigued me. And

72
00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:21.959
that's why I brought this up, if only to mention

73
00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:24.319
that and the people that were involved with it so

74
00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:27.879
right and standards were the architects and their address at

75
00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:30.959
the time was for eighteen California Street, San Francisco, So

76
00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:35.879
we got San Francisco helping NAPA to build this beautiful asylum.

77
00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:41.560
I know, right, like a castle or something like that.

78
00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:43.680
And I don't know if that's just a look that

79
00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:48.160
they go for. Is that like the stereotypical asylum look?

80
00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:52.439
Is that, you know, creepy castle like stuff. Good morning, Lindsey.

81
00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:54.680
Good morning. How are y'all?

82
00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:57.839
We did it good? We're looking at we were just

83
00:04:57.879 --> 00:04:58.279
looking at.

84
00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:01.079
I'll show you again in case you didn't, a an

85
00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:03.519
architectural plan for the Napa State Hospital.

86
00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:08.279
You know, all this building sect and they all looked

87
00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:11.319
like that, and it was first that's weird, yeah.

88
00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:13.439
Yeah.

89
00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:16.519
And then as they built out and around and you

90
00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:19.759
served more of the lands right there around it, they

91
00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:25.639
added different facilities which included housing criminally insane people, on

92
00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.000
and on. But as it related to the Zodiac, one

93
00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.720
of the fake phone calls from a fake Zodiac person

94
00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:33.000
claiming to be the Zodiac came out of the Napa

95
00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:33.680
State Hospital.

96
00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:35.720
So that's why I brought that one up.

97
00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.759
Anyways, a lot of those hospitals nationwide working concert with

98
00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:44.639
the CIA and the FBI to do expermin stuff on patients.

99
00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:50.319
The mk Ultra program was definitely yet instituted in some

100
00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:52.680
of these facilities, and I wouldn't put it past NAPA

101
00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:54.000
State Hospital.

102
00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:55.959
All right.

103
00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:01.959
So getting to our comments this last week, Nancy ruth Owens,

104
00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:07.720
I'm assuming they were talking to text when they when

105
00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:12.040
they actually wrote this particular comment. But it says nan it,

106
00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.240
from which I presume is most to say, Nana nan It.

107
00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:18.680
I don't know. That cracked me up.

108
00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:21.720
Bartow Okay, I get it now. All he owns is

109
00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:24.079
a bunch of made up bs. And this is in

110
00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:28.600
reference to one of our Convoy episodes. Interesting to hear

111
00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:32.360
somebody say it's a bunch of made up bs. I

112
00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:35.480
haven't necessarily gone as far as to say that it is.

113
00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.759
Made up bs, just that he.

114
00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:41.120
Owns things that no one should own and makes money

115
00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:44.680
off of unsolved series of crimes kind of the lowest

116
00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:47.199
of the low, while the site's intention is to muddy

117
00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:50.680
up the waters, create confusion and telling outright lies about

118
00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:55.360
fake suspects. So really it's not necessarily that everything is

119
00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:58.399
made up BS, but the way that he keeps the

120
00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:01.720
pot stirring and the confusion and the inability for people

121
00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:05.600
to actually look at a true suspect while bashing because

122
00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:09.439
on his website and is on his board, they're bashing

123
00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.079
these suspects they don't like or don't want to be

124
00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:14.439
brought to light in favor of these fake ones.

125
00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:16.480
So we're just trying to get that out there.

126
00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:19.959
And a lot of times he's spoon fed material whether

127
00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.800
it's right for actor it or not, and he just

128
00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:23.879
regurgitates it.

129
00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.720
He does, yeah, told what he can say, well, you

130
00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:29.680
can't say what he is to say.

131
00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:33.360
Yeah, yeah, to go on and disparage Kathleen John's about

132
00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:36.079
her mind and what she can or cannot remember is

133
00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:40.519
completely just I mean, it's it's flippant at best, because

134
00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:46.000
she immediately describes or sees the composite of the zodiac

135
00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.040
and says, hey, that's the guy that just took me

136
00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:49.480
on a ride for an hour and a half, which

137
00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:51.240
at that point in time is very fresh in her

138
00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:54.319
mind and not a chaotic situation, with the exception of

139
00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:57.519
her escape, because he didn't really threaten her, as it's

140
00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:01.199
told in the car sother than driving around with her

141
00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:02.120
and not letting her go.

142
00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:04.000
She had a long time to stare.

143
00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:06.560
At this individual, and then the Zodiac turns around and

144
00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:08.519
writes a letter saying he gave this nice woman and

145
00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:10.800
a baby a ride and burned the car, so he

146
00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:13.839
confirmed what her her thoughts were. And we still have

147
00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:16.959
Tom Voyd over here saying, oh, but who's changed her

148
00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:17.399
story so.

149
00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:21.000
Many Who cares how many times she's changed it? Who cares?

150
00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:25.639
Y gray Smith does her right. He presents her story

151
00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:27.240
as told.

152
00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:29.680
Right book, and it's hard to avoid the fact that

153
00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:31.639
the Zodiac wrote a letter in regards to it.

154
00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:36.600
I mean, come on, and he burned the car. Yeah,

155
00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:42.960
the same or quite similarm as to the riverside Joe Bates.

156
00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:47.840
Correct, yep, manipulation of the vehicle. Yeah, so that's one

157
00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:52.519
of his tactics, is Arson. So right? Yeah? By fire,

158
00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:54.080
by wrote by gun, by.

159
00:08:54.039 --> 00:09:00.840
Knife, literally stuck in my head that whole saying, yeah, yeah.

160
00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.200
That's why pretty much every single unsolved murder that I

161
00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:06.720
have in this presentation revolves around those four things, you know,

162
00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:09.879
and especially if a twenty two is involved where a

163
00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:14.559
gun is applicable, but by fire, by knife, and I

164
00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:18.080
don't think that we've literally stumbled onto all like we

165
00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.840
talked about a fire in a cabin which Dennis had

166
00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.600
recollected Jack talking about burning somebody in a cabin in

167
00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:27.600
the woods, and then we had I actually found an

168
00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:30.159
unsolved murder of a man that was burnt in a

169
00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:31.120
cabin in the woods.

170
00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.320
So I don't think that we've necessarily even found.

171
00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:36.879
All of the acts that the Zodiac said you won't

172
00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:39.399
even recognize because they're going to look like accidents and

173
00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.080
fakes and all of these things. So I think there's

174
00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.120
a lot more out there that can be attributed to him.

175
00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:49.320
A little bit in the news is this whole SBA

176
00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:52.039
thing with COVID. I thought this was an interesting take.

177
00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:58.000
So Kyle Rays on LinkedIn had put up a news

178
00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.559
clip of basically some more fraud that we're looking at,

179
00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:04.200
and it says much must watch. We've now learned by

180
00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:08.399
Trump SBA chief Kelly Loeffler that the Biden administration reportedly

181
00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.600
ordered employees to ignore the US Treasuries do not pay

182
00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:14.919
list for grants and seventy percent were flagged for fraud.

183
00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:18.039
That's how fourteen billion got out the door. So quickly.

184
00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:21.840
They ordered SBA employees to take four hours per applicant

185
00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:24.480
and not anymore. Then we come to find out in

186
00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.600
the GAO report that seventy percent of it was fraudulent. Now,

187
00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:31.360
we from day one at the SBA have come in

188
00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:34.120
with a zero tolerance policy on fraud, and so we

189
00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:37.200
began cracking down on it right away. We've already sent

190
00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.759
out one thousand demand letters demanding that those who took

191
00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:40.240
the money.

192
00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:43.120
Now, these were not loans, these were grants.

193
00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:47.519
These were the federal government writing checks of our taxpayer's money,

194
00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:51.519
which is really really upsetting because it indicated that seventy

195
00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:53.200
percent of this went to celebrities.

196
00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:54.600
Now, I don't know.

197
00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:58.480
Is that small Business Administration correct?

198
00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:01.720
And this was supposed to us and help small businesses

199
00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:02.600
during COVID.

200
00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:04.720
In fact, these small.

201
00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:06.960
Businesses weren't the ones that were reaping the benefits or

202
00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:10.000
getting the grants. It was going to celebrities and the

203
00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:12.279
do not pay list. I mean, come on, let's talk

204
00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:14.919
about this. If you're given four hours to deal with

205
00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:18.000
every applicant, the first check you do is that do

206
00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:18.639
not pay list?

207
00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:20.600
How long would that take? Three seconds?

208
00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:25.519
Yeah, that's crazy? Four hours a lot really? Somebody said

209
00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:27.600
it's short, but no, four hours get a lot dead.

210
00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:30.799
I would like to know who these celebrities were that

211
00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:33.120
they're quoting were the ones that took seventy percent of it.

212
00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.720
But it's fourteen billion of our taxpayer's money went to

213
00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:36.320
people who.

214
00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:37.159
Were already rich.

215
00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:42.639
But how many small businesses were put out of business

216
00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:45.919
during COVID. I was a small business that suffered for

217
00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:47.679
three years trying to get, you.

218
00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:49.919
Know, claw back my way back up to the top again.

219
00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:51.399
John.

220
00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:55.279
Here's some of the clips that they were showing. So

221
00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:58.360
it was basically Fox News. Now, Fox News is the

222
00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.759
entertainment guys, not news. Keep that in mind. We can't

223
00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.679
really hold to your daughter in them. Well, they were

224
00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:08.960
sued and I guess they settled, but they said we're entertainment,

225
00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:09.559
not the news.

226
00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:13.399
What the f does that not say news? That says news?

227
00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:14.759
Fox News?

228
00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:17.679
Yeah.

229
00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.399
It was a Facebook post a very long time ago,

230
00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.879
but it was something to do with them having settled

231
00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:28.559
a lawsuit with another person or entity, and they claimed

232
00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:33.879
that they're here for entertainment, not honesty and trustworthiness.

233
00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:39.759
Well they well that's what they do, they themselves.

234
00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:44.120
Right, they disclosed who are No, That's what I would

235
00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:46.159
love to see. But we we do know that Fox

236
00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:51.600
is owned by Rupert Murdoch, right, yeah, yeah, so yeah, no,

237
00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:53.759
wonder they're not into telling the truth. But you can

238
00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:56.679
see some of these headlines here, DEM's built a COVID

239
00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:00.080
fraud machine, DEMS fraud machine eats your tax dollars, and

240
00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:04.799
Den's handed ten billion in COVID cash to Celeste, ten

241
00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:10.080
billion dollars to people who are already rich.

242
00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:14.159
Okay, I hope he's businesses right.

243
00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.519
Well, small businesses are going out of business left and right,

244
00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:20.960
all right. Climbing back onto the Tom Voight train, here

245
00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:25.960
we have Sherry Joe Bates twelve twenty four, question my Riverside.

246
00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:26.240
And the Radian.

247
00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:29.320
Now, the radian does travel right on through Riverside and

248
00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:31.519
all the way down into the LA area. So I

249
00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:33.519
want everybody to keep in mind when we go back

250
00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:37.000
as far as Black Dahia and and the Riverside killings

251
00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.840
and things like that, that this is in play via

252
00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:45.039
the cryptic messages having to do with the radians sent

253
00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:45.960
by the Zodiac.

254
00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:48.240
So the folloween letter.

255
00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:51.919
The base of the radiance is of Mount Diablo, correct.

256
00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.399
Correct, Yes, that's our pivotal point. And then off of

257
00:13:55.440 --> 00:14:02.559
that at he labeled it twelve three six nine, So

258
00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.960
basically you had it almost looks like a clock. If

259
00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:08.759
you will, But then we know navigation is based off

260
00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:12.000
of a watch. You can't actually do your latitude and

261
00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:15.600
longitude based to off of a watch with hands that

262
00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.320
is not a digital watch these days. I got to

263
00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:24.039
remember some people don't remember those watches. Now, I'm wondering

264
00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:27.320
if twelve twenty four was if it serves me correctly,

265
00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:29.519
twelve twenty four being the time that the watch that

266
00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:31.440
was found at the bait scene.

267
00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:33.440
Was broken at.

268
00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:36.600
So it was stopped I believe at twelve twenty four,

269
00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:40.639
and that's why they believe that's when or around the time.

270
00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:41.639
The murder occurred.

271
00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.919
But that doesn't sound right because she came out of

272
00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.799
the library around nine, and I think they thought that

273
00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.679
it happened more closer to ten thirty. So this kind

274
00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.000
of reminds me of the late night walk of the Swindles,

275
00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.000
and it takes me back that watch, back to the

276
00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:57.759
Swindles again as a possibility of where that watch came

277
00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:01.559
from and being dropped as a clue at Sherry Joe bates.

278
00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:03.879
Well, it is a clue, but we don't know what

279
00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.759
the significance is. Right, it was of the time. I

280
00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:10.039
think you're right about the time. I think she died

281
00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:14.120
earlier than that, but there's a reason that it was

282
00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:16.840
set to twelve twenty four. We just don't know yet.

283
00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:21.799
Well, it was dead at twelve twenty four, so it

284
00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:26.399
wasn't that it was Yeah, all.

285
00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:26.960
Right, so it says.

286
00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.600
The following letter to Riverside Police Department was copied to

287
00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.639
me recently by Mike rr of New Jersey with the

288
00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:35.879
author's permission, I am reprinting it here as a historical document,

289
00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:39.480
edited slightly for privacy. It provides a new theory regarding

290
00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:41.559
the time shown on the watch found at the Riverside

291
00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:44.279
crime scene, and submits that the radian had been planned

292
00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:48.360
out as early as nineteen sixty six. Responses maybe at

293
00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:54.759
be made at the newsgroup all got true hyphen crime,

294
00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.399
where they will be dissected mercilessly by a panel of

295
00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:01.639
self appointed experts, or through the email link below, whence

296
00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:02.720
they will be forwarded.

297
00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:09.399
Whence they will be forwarded to the author. Whence hence like,

298
00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:12.519
I oh't know what that just tickled me.

299
00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:17.120
So basically, here is the November twelfth, nineteen ninety eight,

300
00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:21.519
Chief Jerry Carroll, Riverside Police Department, Riverside, California, Dear Sir,

301
00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.840
I'm sending you this letter after consultation with my brother, John,

302
00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.440
a sergeant in the New York City Police Department. When

303
00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:29.840
you read what it is in reference to, I'm sure

304
00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:34.600
you will utter a few choice expletives, hopefully mild ones. Nevertheless,

305
00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:36.440
it is my sincere hope that you will read the

306
00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:38.799
letter in its entirety, and that after doing so, you

307
00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:41.000
will find what I have to say intriguing enough to

308
00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:42.240
give it some honest thought.

309
00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:44.759
That is all I could ask of you and your department.

310
00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.279
This letter is in reference to the October thirtieth, nineteen

311
00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:50.960
sixty six murder of Sherry Joe Bates. I'm certain you

312
00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.799
must wish at some level that you are you and

313
00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:56.120
your department had never heard of this crime or of

314
00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:59.519
the Zodiac Killer. Undoubtedly, it has been a major distraction

315
00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.240
and of innumerable headaches for the RPD over the years.

316
00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:07.480
I realized that in hope to add intelligent, not unintelligible

317
00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:10.119
thought to the discussion of the case. In spite of

318
00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:12.319
all the headaches and wild theories over the years, I

319
00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:14.519
am sure that there is some part of you and

320
00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:17.240
the RPD in general, who would love to know who

321
00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:21.000
killed Miss Baits. All those years ago. If it was Zodiac,

322
00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.480
so be it. If not, then who. I do not

323
00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:25.839
pretend to know who killed miss Baits, but I think

324
00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:28.640
I have found a way to help your department get

325
00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.759
insight into who it may have been by using a

326
00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.839
piece of tangible physical evidence that is in your possession,

327
00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:38.640
the TIMEX watch. One of the most controversial aspects of

328
00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:41.839
the Zodiac case is the radiant theory. Many people scoff

329
00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:44.599
at this as being part of Zodiac's plan. I feel

330
00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.440
that the theory is a valid issue for one reason.

331
00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:50.240
Zodiac himself implied in one of his own letters that

332
00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:53.240
he was constructing this shape with his murder sites. And

333
00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:55.640
after all, he did take incredible risks to make the

334
00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:59.440
cab driver's sign go into a populated residential neighborhood before

335
00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:01.839
killing him. Knowing that he needed to kill him in

336
00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:04.319
a specific location goes a long way to explain the

337
00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:07.599
risk Zodiac took that night. The problem with the radiant

338
00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:10.200
is that it is first explained in a very complex

339
00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:13.319
and out there book. I grant you that, but we

340
00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:16.319
must realize that Garth Penn did not devise the radiance

341
00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:19.079
scheme himself. He was merely the first to demonstrate it

342
00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.240
on paper at Zodiac's prodding. I do not agree with

343
00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:24.920
much of the out there stuff that Penn says, but

344
00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:26.119
I strongly.

345
00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.000
Believe that we ignore the Radiant at our own.

346
00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:30.680
Risk, as it is an important aspect of the case.

347
00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:33.359
I also believe that Sherry Joe Bates tied into the

348
00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:35.880
Radian and that the time Ax is the link between her,

349
00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:38.880
the Radian, and Zodiac. I hope you will entertain my

350
00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:42.319
thoughts on this subject. If the time Ax were planted

351
00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.960
to tie Baits into the other crimes, it was an

352
00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.960
act of incredible cunning and pre planning because the other

353
00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:50.680
crimes were still over two years in the future. I

354
00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:54.000
believe that confirming this would provide us tremendous insight into

355
00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:55.119
the Zodiac's mind.

356
00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:57.559
I first became.

357
00:18:57.559 --> 00:18:59.960
Toake, but it's a really long hurt.

358
00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:03.519
What's up, ah? This is a letter that was lol.

359
00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:07.799
It's a letter that was written to the Riverside Police

360
00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:10.440
Department from somebody who was making a tie together of

361
00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:13.839
Sherry Joe Bates and Zodiac. He says, I first became

362
00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:16.160
seriously interested in the Zodiac case and heard of the

363
00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:19.400
Radian theory early this past August. I'm not an obsessed

364
00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:21.759
long term follower of this case, but a serious, well

365
00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:22.920
educated researcher.

366
00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:25.279
I then saw the Riverside.

367
00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:28.119
Timex via email on August twenty eighth, nineteen ninety eight.

368
00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:30.839
I didn't look at it for ten seconds when I

369
00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.839
knew it was tied into the radian from the Bay Area,

370
00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:36.400
and I did it with junior high school math. I'm

371
00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:43.119
not Garth Penn. Oh that corrects via a radian is

372
00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.720
an angle between fifty seven and fifty eight degrees. This

373
00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.079
is the actual angle made when you link the Valeo

374
00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:51.079
San Francisco murder sites with the point or apex of

375
00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:54.599
the angle placed on Mount Diablo as zodiac not Penn

376
00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:57.519
instructs you to do if you if you extend the

377
00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.279
north south segment of the angled suth words at is

378
00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.319
directly through the city of Riverside see the illustration below.

379
00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:05.119
It serves to call our attention to.

380
00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.400
Bates like a big arrow and seems to be much

381
00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:10.319
more than just a coincidence. Finally, a straight line is

382
00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.400
one hundred and eighty degrees. Using that knowledge, we can

383
00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.119
tie the radi into the watch to get a straight

384
00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:18.559
line one hundred and eighty degrees. Starting with the radiant

385
00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:21.759
angles fifty seven fifty eight degrees, you must add one

386
00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:25.119
twenty two to one to twenty three degrees. An alternative

387
00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:27.960
way of expressing one hundred and twenty two to one

388
00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:31.519
hundred and twenty three degrees is one twenty two hyphen

389
00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:34.440
one twenty three. That is the exact time on the

390
00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:37.160
timex twelve twenty three.

391
00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:38.599
Huh.

392
00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.720
This is the link between Bates in northern California. What

393
00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.440
Zodiac may have been saying is that in the future,

394
00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:47.119
after he finished constructing the radian up north, you could

395
00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:49.559
link the murder of Bates by creating a straight line

396
00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:50.799
backwards by adding.

397
00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:54.400
The tarty the watch Yeah, I got you got yeah.

398
00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:59.480
It says what Zodiac may have been may.

399
00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.119
What Zodiac may have been saying is that in the future,

400
00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.960
after he finished constructing the radian up north, you could

401
00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:08.440
link the murder of Bates by creating a straight line

402
00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:10.160
backwards by adding the time.

403
00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:10.440
On the watch.

404
00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:14.400
What are you doing, Nolan?

405
00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:22.480
I think you're freezing because you're popping up in the

406
00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:24.599
middle of my sentences as if you're not hearing me.

407
00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:26.559
You might want to back out and come back in.

408
00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:31.759
What Zodiac may have been saying is that in the future.

409
00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:35.119
After he finished construction constructing the radian up north, you

410
00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:37.400
could link the murder of Bates by creating a straight

411
00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:39.559
line backwards by adding the time on the watch to

412
00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:40.480
the radiant angle.

413
00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:43.200
He was giving us a roadmap two years in advance.

414
00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:46.200
I understand that RPD is currently of the belief that

415
00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:48.720
Bates was not Zodiac victim, but I believe that the

416
00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:50.359
timex may prove otherwise.

417
00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:53.240
I believe the watch has a story to tell us.

418
00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:55.559
I am submitting the following list of questions to you

419
00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:58.000
and hope you will examine the watch and answer them.

420
00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:00.720
This case is over thirty years old, and yet after

421
00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:02.920
all that time, we now have a chance to use

422
00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:05.519
a real piece of tangible physical evidence to link.

423
00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:06.519
Zodiac to Bates.

424
00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:10.240
There are no outlandish theories or complex calculations involved here.

425
00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:12.319
I believe that at this point in time, it is

426
00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:15.119
worth answering these questions if it will possibly provide us

427
00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:16.960
once and for all with the truth about the death

428
00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:19.960
of Sherry Joe Bates and insight into the calculating mind

429
00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:20.680
of the Zodiac.

430
00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:22.200
Here are the questions.

431
00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:26.240
Number one, was the watch definitely stopped when it was found?

432
00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:28.920
Do the pictures of the watch which I have been

433
00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:31.839
circulated on the internet. Reflect the time it showed when

434
00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:35.799
found on October thirty first, nineteen sixty six, twelve twenty three,

435
00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.720
or so I e. Was it subsequently wound tested reset

436
00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:42.680
by law enforcement in Riverside, San Francisco.

437
00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:43.839
DOJ or the FBI?

438
00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:47.559
Are there photos reports indicating whether it was found face

439
00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:50.839
up or face down? And the time it showed? Does

440
00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.519
it have a luminescent face or illuminescent numerals?

441
00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:55.079
If it was found face up.

442
00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:59.000
If the face had luminescent qualities, might we make a

443
00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:01.359
case for killer have no reason to be unable to

444
00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.680
locate it that night? This ad credits the idea that

445
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.440
it was his intent to leave it behind. And if so,

446
00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:10.640
why was the watch ever taken apart by your department

447
00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:14.200
or anyone else and examined? Was the backplate ever removed

448
00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:17.240
and the internal mechanism examined? Is there any writing on

449
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:20.200
the inside of the backplate that might link it to Zodiac?

450
00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:23.160
If the watch was dismantled, was it in working order

451
00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:25.640
that night or was there any evidence that was disabled

452
00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:29.200
in any way? Mainspring removed, et cetera. It disabled? It

453
00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:31.480
was surely left with the intention of being found with

454
00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:33.960
the hands at whatever position the killers set them to.

455
00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:39.079
I realized that this list may be a bit dizzy

456
00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:41.319
and in its detail, but this watch could prove to

457
00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:44.160
be a key piece of evidence in establishing Zodiac's motive

458
00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:46.599
for killing Baits, not as a sex crime, but as

459
00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:49.319
a seemingly random act which was in fact related to

460
00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:50.359
his overall scheme.

461
00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:52.920
Similar to all but one of his other attacks.

462
00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:56.240
Zodiac was an intelligent and cunning person, and it should

463
00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:59.160
surprise no one familiar with this case to learn that

464
00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:01.359
he may have played into that watch and then run

465
00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:03.759
his fingers along the ground to make it appear.

466
00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:05.000
He was looking for it.

467
00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:08.279
If we are ever to have any hope of unmasking

468
00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:10.880
Zodiac at this late date, we must be able to

469
00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:14.440
profile and understand him as precisely as possible. I hope

470
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:16.480
you agree with me that finding a tool to help

471
00:24:16.519 --> 00:24:19.440
strip this crime of the sexual overtone suggested in the

472
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:23.519
confession letter to your department would change our image profile

473
00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:25.559
of Zodiac and at least put us on a better

474
00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:29.160
path to his door, whoever and wherever he is. And

475
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:32.200
after all, Zodiac's later crimes hardly revealed him to be

476
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.279
a sexual sadist. He killed men and women and ended

477
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:39.119
his reign of terror by killing a lone male Cavey. Therefore,

478
00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:41.440
the letter would prove to be a red herring sent

479
00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:43.559
for the purpose of making us think Zodiac was a

480
00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:47.359
common sexual sadus when his motives were actually far more complex.

481
00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:50.720
Chief Carol I realized that the murder of Scherry Joe

482
00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:53.200
Bates took place a long time ago. But a murder case,

483
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:55.440
as they say, is never closed until the killer is

484
00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:59.160
brought to justice. The Zodiac case is arguably the most intriguing,

485
00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:01.839
complex and afflin case in the history of crime in

486
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:05.359
this country. Well, I wonder why because Hollyweird and media

487
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:08.000
and the likes of Tom Voight have kept us stirring

488
00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:11.400
in circles instead of actively looking for the suspect or

489
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.279
even allowing the investigation to proceed on a very good

490
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:17.559
and valid suspect such as Jack Terrence.

491
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:22.240
I think, yeah, they too. I was gonna say this,

492
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:24.519
he has some good questions and it seems like he

493
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:25.240
was on the right.

494
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.920
Path, right it says.

495
00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:29.920
In the next few days, Zodiac will be featured on

496
00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:33.640
America's Most Wanted eleven fourteen ninety eight Ding Ding ding Ding.

497
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.519
So this is our first introduction with John Walsh right

498
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:42.519
the Zodiac Tom Voight, And I'm not sure I want

499
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:45.000
to say that Bart was around for this, but I'm

500
00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:47.720
not sure. I do know that he had been invited

501
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:49.720
on he had looked at the letters. I'm just not

502
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:52.720
really sure what the time frame was, but I had

503
00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:54.720
thought that it was around this time as well. And

504
00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:57.880
that's how he knew who Dennis Kaufman was, is his

505
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:02.079
close ties with Tom Voight. Because when I first mentioned

506
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:05.960
Dennis Kaufman and Jack Terrence, Bart Baggett was completely aware

507
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.839
of who I was talking about. And that's odd, right,

508
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:11.319
I mean, if you're not all up in the cover

509
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.839
up trying to put out fake suspects such as Debora Perez,

510
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.079
how do you know about my suspect which I had

511
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:20.000
never even so much as heard of until the day

512
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:20.640
he came to me?

513
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:24.200
Or should I say the client, Dennis Kaufman.

514
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.039
Oh, just on this side, I was listening to the

515
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:32.680
ice Cube CD America's Most Wanted Yesterday. It's his WUCD

516
00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.799
after NWA America.

517
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:45.799
So right, so in the next few days, Zodiac will

518
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:48.480
be featured on America's Most Want of eleven fourteen ninety eight,

519
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:51.039
is going to be the subject of a new feature movie,

520
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:54.279
Go Figure, and will be the subject of several new books.

521
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.079
In short, the case still haunts us even after all

522
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.519
these years. It is for that reason that the search

523
00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:01.960
for Zodiac will and should continue as long as there's

524
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.960
at least some reasonable hope of apprehending him. I believe

525
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.319
that your department, Balleto, and the FBI would still have

526
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:09.519
an interest in knowing just who this man was and

527
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:12.079
how he was capable of doing what he did, even

528
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:14.200
though it all occurred well over a generation ago.

529
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:15.279
Like Jack the.

530
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.799
Ripper, it has become a timeless mystery which begs to

531
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:19.400
be solved.

532
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:27.680
I know, I just can't get some of these missives.

533
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:30.279
Just kill me, Okay.

534
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:35.599
So he wrote it to the police department before it air.

535
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.160
Yes, yes, he wrote this to Riverside Police Department before

536
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.480
America's Most Wanted It aired. But he is obviously privy

537
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.160
to all the things that are happening surrounding this case.

538
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:51.319
So here we are busily making movies and doing shows

539
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:54.960
and writing books instead of actively investigating.

540
00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:57.920
And now I know Dennis doesn't come about until to.

541
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:03.000
Especially so many years afterwards. That he's still invested and

542
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:05.400
still fired off good takes to the cops.

543
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:11.960
Right, Yeah, well, and Dennis doesn't see this this zodiac

544
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:16.039
America's most wanted until two thousand, so Jack has not

545
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.519
been put on the pedestal yet for anybody to look at.

546
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.519
But from that time forward, it seems that San Francisco

547
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.680
pet wanted to dismiss it, Tom Boyd wanted to dismiss it.

548
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:27.559
I mean the FBI didn't dismiss it. In fact, again,

549
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.480
like I said, they still in possession of all of

550
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:31.839
the evidence, including the hood.

551
00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:34.640
They gave nothing back, so I don't know where the

552
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:36.519
where it since these days.

553
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.200
I think by the FBI dismissing it in the San

554
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.279
Francisco and another law enforcement I don't think that's a

555
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:45.559
bad thing for our take because I think it adds

556
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.119
credence to what we might be under the truth.

557
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:50.799
So well, but yeah, yeah it does.

558
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:54.079
But the FBI didn't dismiss it, took it very serious.

559
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:56.799
Worked with Dennis Kaufman from two thousand when he was

560
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.119
when he was Jack was turned in as a suspect

561
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:03.640
until at least my knowledge, when Dennis moved away in

562
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:05.279
twenty thirteen, had been.

563
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:07.519
Working all those years, and I know that from two

564
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:09.359
thousand and nine until two thousand.

565
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:11.920
And twelve, I believe it was it was approximately three

566
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.359
years that we were back and forth at the FBI's office.

567
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:16.839
That the FBI.

568
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:20.000
Took Jack Terrence as a suspect very seriously, but couldn't

569
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.640
get cooperation from any of the other departments, such as

570
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.640
San Francisco PD, in order to do the DNA test properly.

571
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.240
You know, as FPD gets busted that their lab has

572
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:34.799
been altering and botching tests and stealing drugs and doing

573
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:38.200
all kinds of crazy stuff under Gerald Brown's take, and

574
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:39.839
he had to come out and smack him on the

575
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:43.079
butt and fire a bunch of people. But so all

576
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:46.039
kinds of nasty, shisty things were going on in the

577
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:47.079
two thousands.

578
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.759
It's also possible that the FBI was using Dennis and

579
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.759
to gather evidence and to conceal it exactly.

580
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.400
And that's what I feel like, giving.

581
00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:02.160
Lip service to Games and his suspect and doing you know,

582
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:06.480
initial investigations. But I think they more wanted to get

583
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.440
from him than they gave you guys.

584
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:13.480
And some of the excuses that they gave us were bs.

585
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:16.519
And I know that for a fact, was the hood,

586
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:18.799
the hood that they're still in possession of. That the

587
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:19.839
one that Dennis gave him.

588
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.000
Yeah, it was the one that was found in the

589
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.519
PA system that Jack had owned.

590
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.400
Yeah, that's that's on the Afterguardy Jones.

591
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:33.920
Yes, yes, episode, Yes true crimes. Yeah, for investigation discovery.

592
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:37.440
So he goes on to say thank you for your

593
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:39.680
time and for your kind consideration of this letter. I

594
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:41.799
feel that if it can be proven that the watch

595
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:44.119
was left behind for reason, we should make every effort

596
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.039
to allow it to tell us its story. To what

597
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.279
extent this was done in the past, I do not know.

598
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.519
It is a part of the thorough investigation necessary to

599
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:56.039
find him. As this late date, I have included an

600
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.559
illustration of my description discussion of the radian for your examination.

601
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:01.839
I think that a picture is worth a thousand words

602
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:06.119
in this case, Sincerely yours, Mike are Wow.

603
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:10.720
I wish we had that picture right, Yeah, some of

604
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:13.480
the images well, and I didn't have any links for

605
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:14.920
that whole entire.

606
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:20.759
Letter, so I have no idea what letter it is

607
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:24.240
because there wasn't even a link to go to it.

608
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:28.079
At least not on what was left over on the

609
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:28.480
way back.

610
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.759
Machine after tom BOYD stripped everything, so maybe this is

611
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:33.920
one of the things he stripped because the narrative was

612
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.960
going to change. They wanted to start bifurcating the Sherry

613
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.720
Joe Bates as part of the Zodiac crimes theory, and

614
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:42.720
we saw that starting to happen, I want to say

615
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.759
in twenty twenty when they wanted to say, oh, it

616
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:49.759
wasn't a military person, or it wasn't it wasn't related.

617
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:52.279
I mean, they came out with all kinds of bs.

618
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:53.119
And that's just.

619
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.000
Because they can change the narrative because nobody knows history.

620
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:58.200
They don't really know where all this started and where

621
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:00.680
it has come to and what is and said by

622
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.680
different police departments. So the new generation is just going

623
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:06.359
to hear what they hear right now.

624
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:11.440
I think another significant clue is in the one of

625
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.119
the letters written. I don't know if what the cops

626
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:18.160
or the newspaper that Bates had to die, So that

627
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:23.000
was she wasn't randomly selected as a murder victim or

628
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:28.440
just conveniently picked. She was chosen, right. And it's also

629
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.559
a fact that her father had ties to the military

630
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:33.599
industrial complex.

631
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:39.400
Correct in nevauto, Yes, correct, Okay, there was a definitely

632
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:44.039
that's true too. Why did she have to die?

633
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.839
And we have that in his letter, but we also

634
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:50.599
have him making these statements in actual crimes as witnesses

635
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.079
you know, have come forward to say that, you know,

636
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.400
he made reference to had to need to you know,

637
00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:58.799
don't want to do this, but have to do this

638
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.400
kind of you know, meant as far.

639
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.920
As his acts, yes, yes, yes.

640
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:08.839
Yeah, it's just something inside him or if he was conditioned, who.

641
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:11.279
Knows, you know, well, I think he was conditioned, and

642
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:16.079
I think that he was given certain people to take out,

643
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:19.720
and so it could have been like a hit you know,

644
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:23.079
within her family against her family or father, you know,

645
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.960
in the military. We know how nears the military is.

646
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:33.160
Yeah, along with the Swindells and the couple over near

647
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:40.440
the Santa Barbaria Lombo coasts past. I forget their names.

648
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:44.039
One of them has like a Latino surname. But anyway,

649
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.519
all those I think we're like trial runs for the

650
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:49.480
ultimate Zodiac spree.

651
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.720
Yeah right, you know. And here now I'm looking at

652
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:55.279
those list of letters, and I keep going.

653
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.079
Back and forth because I feel like I never know

654
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:01.119
what Voic's last name really is and how it's really spelt.

655
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:04.160
I corrected myself, thinking that after seeing it on his

656
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.839
on his website information that it was v O I

657
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.519
G HD. But now I'm seeing next to the all

658
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.280
three envelopes to the Riverside Press, and Joseph Bates, sent

659
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:17.519
April nineteen sixty seven, has attributed to Voight actually having

660
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.599
these letters, and he spells it here VOIGT. So I

661
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.519
don't know if somebody else is writing his stuff or

662
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:28.079
which version of his name is his real name. Kind

663
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.239
of makes me feel like Terence Lawrence.

664
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:34.840
Wait that GD. There's three different ways to spell vo

665
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.039
with the G because that the G takes the place

666
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.880
of the H or the gh was the same sound

667
00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:44.280
and just two letters, and there's like the football Voight

668
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.440
v O I T huh.

669
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.239
Good little English language.

670
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:52.639
I'm just saying I wanted to be accurate on here,

671
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.920
and I keep changing and thinking I found how it's

672
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:56.840
supposed to be spelt, and then once again I see

673
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:58.079
it spelled opposite of how.

674
00:34:58.039 --> 00:34:58.599
I'm doing it.

675
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.199
So it's not the I mean to slaughter your name,

676
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.000
but evidently it's all over your board in a different

677
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:04.800
way each time.

678
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.760
I V O I G T.

679
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.800
Now, well, if I have G H because I found

680
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:16.880
g H and then thought, oh, I had it as

681
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:17.840
GT to begin with.

682
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:19.440
Now I've got it wrong. I'm going to change it

683
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:21.159
the GH. Now I think I need to go back

684
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:25.599
and change it to GT. Yeah, wait, wait, wait, I.

685
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:26.840
Worry about it.

686
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.360
I'm as spelling at v O. I t let's just

687
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.599
get rid of the GH. It's totally not necessary.

688
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.239
Here's a list of letters, and these are the links

689
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.280
that take you to the actual letters, which some of

690
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.719
them I inserted inserted, but I wasn't going to have

691
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:45.800
us go all the way back through or over every

692
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:46.920
single one of these letters.

693
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:50.039
But you can actually see who he attributes them to.

694
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.519
So the comfession letter came from the Riverside Press Enterprise,

695
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.679
the desktop poem was from Gray Smith. Bates Had to

696
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:02.159
Die also from Gray Smith. All three envelopes to the

697
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.639
Riverside PD Press and Joseph Bates at April nineteen sixty

698
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:06.920
seven are attributed to Void.

699
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.480
How he gets his hands on I don't know. Once again,

700
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:13.320
the Valeo Times Herald cryptogram cover letter.

701
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:17.960
So we see all of the different types of letters

702
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.159
that he has listed on his board here, and then

703
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.559
you could go and see those letters. And I'm sure,

704
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.599
I've got them up somewhere as well. Other documents, some photographs,

705
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:32.920
the eight Known Zodiac, the eight known Zodiac victims by Time,

706
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:37.239
my boy, I know, but this may be the inclusion

707
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:39.239
of Sherry Joe Bates, because you've got to remember, this

708
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.679
is what he's saying in nineteen ninety eight, right, so I.

709
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.760
Would call it eight at that point. Watch found it.

710
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:49.480
Right.

711
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:53.159
But they're all still victims. They're all victims of Zodiac. Yes,

712
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.000
so he mentions the Watch. A close up of the

713
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:02.199
Watch the Lake Herman Road scene which chalk outline is

714
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:05.719
owed to Butterfield. Butterfield's another one of those people in

715
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:09.519
this industry that has I think done enough to stir

716
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:10.000
the pot.

717
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.000
Maybe former FBI or some type of law enforcement.

718
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.840
Photographic map of the eastern Balao area showing blue rock

719
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:20.239
springs on Lake Herman Road and then photos from Lake Barriessa,

720
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:23.360
including area of attack is from Time Life, and a

721
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:26.960
car door inscription is from Gray Smith. Two rare police

722
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:30.679
sketches of the Zodiac for Napa and Sonoma Counties are

723
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:33.119
from Voight. So here's the funny thing is that Void

724
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:36.400
came out and tried to tell us that the sketch

725
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:40.280
from Sonoma County, which is dead on, Like, you cannot

726
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:45.679
mistake the Sonoma County composite for Jack Tarrence, for anybody

727
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:46.719
other than Jack Terrence.

728
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:50.239
He is an absolute one hundred percent match to that composite.

729
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:55.239
And when Dennis tried to get this composite out, Void

730
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:58.719
and his cronies began slamming Dennis saying that that wasn't

731
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.840
even done by Sonoma County, but here it is on

732
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:01.400
his board.

733
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.400
Two rare police sketches of the zodiac from naplans Sonoma Counties.

734
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:11.599
Wow, francisc the composite that sticks out in my mind

735
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:14.360
to most anyways, like in general, even if I didn't

736
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.079
know anything, so I mean, yeah, And when you put

737
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.199
it up to Jack's picture, it's like the lower.

738
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:24.440
Eye, the forehead, the hair, the style, everything was absolutely perfect.

739
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.639
Jack. Space is just a little longer, but that's easy

740
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.400
to get. You know. It's a compositor. It's not our picture.

741
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.199
Which compositor are you thinking of, Nolan, because we're talking

742
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:39.280
about the shorter uh. The Sonoma County composite is like

743
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.880
with with the hair, it's not slipped back like we.

744
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.039
See the San Francisco composite. From officers.

745
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:47.639
It is.

746
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:50.840
It is, and and of course when we were working

747
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.159
and putting out side by side on Jack's pictures, that's

748
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.320
when we were getting slammed by Tom and his crony's

749
00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:00.239
saying that that was done by some some I think,

750
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:05.079
investigative journalist out of another state somewhere. But he shows

751
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.480
it right here in nineteen ninety eight. So again they're

752
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:11.360
trying to steer that pot, push away this notion because

753
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.559
now Jack's been identified that composite matches too closely.

754
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.119
This was drawn by somebody that doesn't even know what

755
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:17.880
they're talking about.

756
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:22.320
Okay, whatever, I'm sorry that it matches Jack, guys, and

757
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:23.599
the handwriting matches too.

758
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:24.800
What do you want me to say?

759
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:25.800
Exactly?

760
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:31.800
San Francisco exam go ahead is so like.

761
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:41.000
Refresh, But the what that composite just to refresh people's memory?

762
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:42.360
It was?

763
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.480
I think that it was a more in depth attempt

764
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:48.199
at creating a composite.

765
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:51.320
And the likeness is just absolutely uncanny.

766
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:54.639
It's not, oh, could it match five or ten different people, No,

767
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.719
this could match only Jack Terrence when you.

768
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:03.920
Put them side by side, Soma not Solano, Sonoma County.

769
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:07.199
Because we had the hitchhiker murders in that area.

770
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:11.840
Right, But there was no zodiac in Sonoma County, although

771
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.599
well there were words that Jack may have done up there.

772
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:16.679
You know a lot of along the river or whatnot,

773
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.800
lots of Sara Rosa that area.

774
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.800
Well, gray Smith attributes the hitchhiker.

775
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.199
Gray Smith attributes the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murders to the

776
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:31.159
zodiac in his books. So I think that's where Sonoma

777
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:36.440
County gets involved. Obviously out there in that area. Got

778
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.960
a San Francisco Examiner article about the Kathleen John's incident,

779
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:44.320
a map showing the radian and giant Z radiance degrees,

780
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:48.360
minutes and seconds by McMillan Forest Pines advertisement, a neon

781
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:53.519
sign for zodiac watches in Atlantic City, New Jersey, photos

782
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:57.280
from Riverside Community College, and a nineteen sixty six Forard

783
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.000
zodiac photos can contributed by a reader.

784
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.199
So I wonder what the nineteen sixty six Ford.

785
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:09.119
Zodiac because this may be where that gentleman I spoke

786
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:11.960
to a week and a half or so ago, thought

787
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:14.400
that a Ford Mustang was mentioned. So this is the

788
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.239
first time I'm seeing Ford, because I told the gentleman

789
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:20.079
I hadn't heard anything about a Ford. But it is

790
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.400
also not telling me what make the vehicle is. It

791
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:26.199
just says the nineteen sixty six Ford is that that is?

792
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:26.320
That?

793
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:26.920
Not the van?

794
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:29.559
What van?

795
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:32.760
The van that Jack had?

796
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:34.440
Was it not a Ford?

797
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:39.840
Jack didn't have a van that I know of, and

798
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:41.000
I never heard of a Ford.

799
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:46.320
Zodiac personally, Mustard, No.

800
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:52.239
I don't think zodiac is the make Okay, nineteen sixty

801
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:53.519
six Fords Zodiac?

802
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:57.920
I think does that mean what it means?

803
00:41:58.639 --> 00:41:59.360
Right? I was?

804
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.119
I did some looking up of emblems, and I feel

805
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:04.519
like I did find an emblem for a vehicle that

806
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:05.440
was a Zodiac.

807
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:07.400
I'm gonna have to go back and follow that line

808
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.320
again again. There's so many holes you can go down

809
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:10.400
here right.

810
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:19.480
Ah, here we go Snowma County Composite. So here is

811
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:24.639
the Sonoma County Composite. That's Jack all day long. Like

812
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.280
anybody try to argue me anything different like that is

813
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:29.559
absolutely one hundred percent Jack all day long.

814
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.079
And of course these other pictures Dennis likened to.

815
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:40.119
Denny, Jack's biological son, much younger individual, but I also

816
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:45.760
shared that that Jack's brother Donald looked a lot like

817
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:48.480
Denny when he was a kid, So.

818
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:53.280
Yes, it was definitely his younger brother.

819
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:57.360
And and by the girth that was described of this

820
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:02.599
second suspect at Lake Berryessa, I wondered if it could

821
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:05.440
even possibly have been Denny, because Denny was a very

822
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.440
skinny kid when he was in Vietnam. His pictures show

823
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:10.920
him he's he's very thin and he's not, you know,

824
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:12.239
a bulky type person.

825
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:19.559
So yeah, So I did have some of these other

826
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.360
ur ls I've not seen, I've not seen and do

827
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:22.760
not have.

828
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:26.400
I needed to check Gracemith's book on some of these

829
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:33.280
particular communications Voight Manson murders connection. So Voight back then

830
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:39.239
was even showing that Manson had a connection them handwriting

831
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:43.000
dot com selebs which is Voytan and Bart Baggett.

832
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:44.360
That shows their inclusion.

833
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.679
So now we've got two people who are putting forth

834
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:50.360
false suspects. I want you guys to understand that there

835
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.639
is a rhyme and reason to what we see going

836
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:56.039
on here, why these individuals are attributed to each other

837
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:59.840
and their need to help Hollyweird.

838
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:00.760
Put out fit suspects.

839
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:03.480
Interesting.

840
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.119
It can't be to just make money, because you're not

841
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:07.400
going to make a lot of money off of a

842
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:09.880
documentary and highly likely not going to make a lot

843
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:11.960
of money off of a book. I know that Bart

844
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.719
Beckett has produced many books, he obviously hasn't got rich

845
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:15.119
off of it.

846
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:20.559
I would like to see more Voight's Manson murders connections, because,

847
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.000
as you know, that's one of my areas I study.

848
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.920
It is the whole man's thing. Well, I think that's

849
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.800
also the bigger picture of that is mind control. But

850
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:37.039
also Jerry, I'm so to Sam mentions Manson and has

851
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:43.000
a little bit about Manson there too. Mind control.

852
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.119
Well, I think this is the area in which the

853
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:51.079
CIA and the media is perpetuating the notion of Colt

854
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:53.119
and Satanic rituals and beliefs.

855
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:54.679
Through these acts.

856
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:57.079
They're creating it, you know, just like I feel like

857
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:00.400
they created the serial killer. Yes, did we have serial

858
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:03.320
killers long before Jack? We absolutely did. We have people

859
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:05.599
burying people in their backyard in Texas.

860
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.639
Since the Donna, you know, the Dawn of the Ages.

861
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:12.679
But did we know what they word, how to sensationalize them,

862
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.320
give them a name such as a serial killer? Did

863
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.239
we know all of this stuff until these programs were

864
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:21.079
set in play? To obviously set up the design for

865
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:21.960
others to follow.

866
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:28.639
Literally, that's the key word their design design exactly.

867
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:33.920
The early ones was uh, well, of course early was

868
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.039
Jack the River, but he wasn't called serial killer. It

869
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.840
came into fashion that I think the sixties that term,

870
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:46.920
and Albert Salvo, who was uh blamed for the claim

871
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:50.480
to be the Boston Strangler, that that came into vogue

872
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.440
after him. Well, define Bailey was his lawyer.

873
00:45:54.519 --> 00:46:00.400
To again, go ahead, Lindsey, you know, I looked at

874
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:02.519
the list one day because I wanted to like write

875
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:06.119
down every single serial killer that was known to man,

876
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:11.119
like that they have reported on. And literally Jack the

877
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:13.599
Ripper is is listed as one of the serial killers.

878
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:15.800
So it's like now they're calling him that a serial

879
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.280
killer even though they weren't. But then if you look

880
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:21.199
at the victims, because I've also did the chart where

881
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:23.920
I put the victims of how many they are associated with,

882
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:27.679
Like you said, like I think Jack the Ripper was

883
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.920
like what three maybe two? And then there was also

884
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:37.039
another one I think Albert is Albert is in England

885
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.400
or it was like the very first one that's like

886
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:45.000
listed it's Albert something. But I got like a top

887
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:48.800
haad On in the picture in his picture and his

888
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:49.480
I thought.

889
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.119
Jack the Ripper was more than two or three. I

890
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:54.480
thought Jack the Ripper was about.

891
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.400
Yeah, I thought it was a little more substantial. I

892
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:00.079
don't think they I don't think they call you a

893
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:01.840
serial killer until after three.

894
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:05.800
I just got this notion. I've been watching again.

895
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:10.239
I think it's like the World's Most Dangerous Criminals or

896
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.360
something like that, and I'm done. I'm listening to it

897
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.679
because I'm hearing this repetitive nonsense from the psychotherapist and

898
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:19.000
the inmate or.

899
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:28.880
The good gosh, the the people. I can't.

900
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.320
No, no, I don't know why I'm losing it, because

901
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.280
I've been listening to it for the last several days

902
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:38.519
and I just finally stopped.

903
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:39.880
I'm like, if you guys know that.

904
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:44.440
These people are repeat offenders who murder, end up in prison,

905
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.360
and then continue to murder not only innocent you know,

906
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:51.519
people that are working at the prison, but others as well,

907
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.159
trying to escape or doing whatever, and other inmates that

908
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:57.039
they're killing. That these people don't deserve to be alive,

909
00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:59.679
and the rest of the population doesn't deserve to be

910
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.280
to them, like, put these people out of their freaking

911
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:05.599
misery and out of our misery as far as I'm concerned,

912
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.280
what's that at that point.

913
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:20.480
They go ahead, go ahead, lindsay, I said, at that point,

914
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:22.440
they still need to use them for something if they're

915
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.559
letting out like that so easily.

916
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:27.960
Yeah, it's it's absolutely insane.

917
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.079
I mean, somebody who kills I don't I don't think

918
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.400
that unless it was an accidental death, I don't think

919
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:36.719
that they can ever be rehabilitated from that. Yeah, So

920
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.239
stop telling us what a poor childhood they had and

921
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:42.000
what may have contributed to the acts that they're doing,

922
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:43.239
and let's just get rid of them.

923
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:47.000
Let's be done. Last last thing on this slide.

924
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:48.920
It's the second and final letters sent to the Balleo

925
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.760
Times Herald, seven August nineteen seventy. This is the only

926
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.679
section of the letter to be published by Grace Smith.

927
00:48:56.159 --> 00:49:00.159
It's a compositive Sonoma County composite composite sketches of the

928
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:03.360
zodiac from Sonoma Napa Counties. It is unknown why Sonoma

929
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:06.880
County would issue a zodiac sketch, as no zodiac crimes

930
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:08.199
are acknowledged in that area.

931
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:11.800
So this goes further to instill that notion that Sonoma

932
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:12.440
County is the.

933
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.760
One that did and initiated this sketch as of nineteen

934
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:18.880
ninety eight, I think that is about all we have

935
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:21.280
you guys, Is there anything last minute.

936
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:21.719
You'd like to say?

937
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:25.239
Having turned this weekend and ready.

938
00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:27.960
Thank you you have a great time on the river.

939
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.719
Oh, I have everybody, one way or another.

940
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:34.480
Everybody have a wonderful weekend. Thank you for being here,

941
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:36.679
and we will see you back next Friday.

942
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.519
See your next Friday. Peace babies,