Aug. 14, 2026

My Experiences with the Zodiac Killer Case, Part 4

My Experiences with the Zodiac Killer Case, Part 4
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My experience has led me to many other crimes for which I have reported to the proper agencies. It seems unfit that there is a lack of attention to Jack W. Tarrance, Jr., by law enforcement, the Zodiac Killer community, and the mass media. It’s as if to say they already know, but don’t want to know, just like Jack’s hypnosis symbol. I still receive calls today to examine potential suspect handwriting, yet none has even come close to the all around match that Jack does.

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Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show. Nolan del Campo, morning, everybody.

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Good morning. How is your week?

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Oh? Wonderful?

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Nice? Did you get that paperwork I sent you on

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Peter Wilson?

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I did I need to go through it? I haven't

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had time yet.

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What's up?

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It's not much to go through, I mean, obviously, it's

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just two different requests that he's made at this point.

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You guys, Nolan and I have been trying to get

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into visit Peter Wilson in regards to the wrongful murder

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conviction that we've discussed and had on the show plenty

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of times, and seems that we're getting some red tape

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right thrown at that.

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Place.

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Now I've reached out to the facility and filled out

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the form you fill out the one with me a

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long time ago, and.

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Yeah, seven months ago, I think it was in I had.

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A different contact and an email address, and I wrote

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an email to him and.

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Said what do I need to do to be approved

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to go down and see him? And they have not

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done Yeah, And so I recently as I'll reach out

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again Monday morning.

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Well, and I just received a letter from Peter Wilson

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stating that he has sent in a request himself twice

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to figure out what is going on and why he

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hasn't received the approval for you. And of course, on

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the backside of the paperwork, which is the last page

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of the PDF I sent you, it is the explanation

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from the individual who is responding or the authority that's

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responding to Peter Wilson in regards to it, who claims

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we've never reached out or made contact with them. And

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so that last page is really the only one you

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need to pay attention to, because the first four pages

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are the requests that Peter Wilson had sent in requesting yeah,

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so yeah, and the last page they just wrote on

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the back of his request that they hadn't received any

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reach out from you, which I thought was rather odd

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since I know that we both did it. I actually

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personally mailed your application in. So why they're holding this

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whole thing up? I have no idea.

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Here.

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I an email address right by my desktop upstairs, and

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so Monday I'll reach out to that same person.

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I say, hey, what's what's going on. I've submitted you know,

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same thing I said before them.

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I want you to afford them Peter Wilson's request and

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response from them, so that they see that we're all

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in the loop together here, like we all know what's

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going on. What the heck are you guys doing over there?

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Yeah, I don't know why they would not want him

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to have access to a lawyer he's in custody. I mean,

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that's almost illegal. It's unconstitutional, That's what I'm saying.

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And if you think about the implications of a DA

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who is now a judge, a police officer who probably

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handled many at rests over his years as an officer

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for Palo Alto PD, this could open a lot of care.

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So there may be a very good reason why they

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are withholding him from us and not allowing you to

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get that visitation right. Either way, we're going to keep

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working on it. On Peter Wilson's behalf. He deserves it

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back to where we left off. He's kind of going

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sometimes it makes me feel like he's going through the

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same thing that I'm going through with this case with

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Jack Terrence. In order to get a good investigation going

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and people to look at what the truth is seems

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to be evading everybody. As with Peter Wilson.

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In that case, as I remember, there was terrible police work.

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There may have even been crooked police work and concealing

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evidence and whatnot, and they focused on Wilson and not

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probably the guy that probably did it was the other roommate, and.

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He absconded and left the country, cut off his own

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ankle bracelet and left the country. Yeah, it's disgusting that

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he confessed to having sex with miss with Kim that

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night Miss Kim that night, when of course semen was

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found on her, and here's this confession that he did,

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in fact have he says, consensual sex, but now it's

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kind of looking more like he had not consensual sex

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considering she ends up dead at the end of it.

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Either way, Good morning, lindsay, yeah.

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She can't be there. She is the book.

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Good morning morning. Oh man. I'm tired, but this week

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has gone well and hopefully this will be the last

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day that we spend on the story that I have

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for the reach outs in regards to this case. I

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needed to clear some things up. I kept saying that

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I wrote Bruce Ivans, and I kept thinking he was dead.

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How did I do that? I didn't know he was dead.

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That's not the reality. I've found the reality. I found

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the reality in my notes. So I contacted Henry Hines,

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a former colleague of Bruce Ivans, at amrid on Ivan's Behalf,

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and that's where I received the call from Albany, New

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York PD, from a number listed as five one eight

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nine two eight zero two eight seven. This officer was

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not cordial and asked me why I was contacting Hines,

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and I briefly explained to him what I was doing.

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He said that I was not supposed to be contacting

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a scientist. I had never heard that one before. I

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did not know you were not allowed to contact people. Yeah.

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So every time I've brought this up, I've said I

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tried to reach out to Ivans, when in fact it

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was Henry Hines, and I just wanted to make that

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correction now that I have my notes in front of me.

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He threatened if I continued to contact mister Hines that

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I would be in trouble with them for harassment, which

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didn't make any sense because I was certainly not trying

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to harass anybody.

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We'll find out you were trying to contact Hines.

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I don't know if Hines forwarded the letter to them.

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I don't know how they ended up in possession with it.

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I don't know. I mean, it was very odd. It's

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not like I was asking for government secret. It's it's

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not information. Like Henry Hines was hard right, and so

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he believed that there was no possible way for Bruce

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Ivens to weaponize the anthrax in the facilities that they

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were in, and he clearly had no other place to

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be capable of doing something like that, and so that's

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why I reached out to him to say that I

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believed him, that I did not think Bruce Ivens was

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the perpetrator, and that I would like to talk to

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him basically, and that turned into a you're gonna you're

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gonna get in trouble for harassment. Wow, that was the

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quickest harassment callback ever.

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What type of law?

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It was the Albany Police Department, Albany, New York. Which

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is interesting because you know we have the letters to

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Albany from the Zodiac case. So is that a coincidence?

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You know what I need to do is go back

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and see where I wrote to Henry Hines, because I

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don't know that it was New York. I feel like, oh,

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but I don't know where he lives. I'd have to

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go back to look up and see where that letter

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went to. But how Albany, New York ended up with

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it is kind of another one of those hmmm, kind

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of like Arizona's involvement with all of this stuff. Yeah, really,

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and you were you started to say something, Lindsay, and

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got cut off.

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Oh, I was just gonna say that.

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Just it's like one of another one of those repetitious

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anomalies that we see in cases where they don't want you.

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You're you're not allowed to question, You're not allowed to ask.

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Oh man, I hate I hate it when that happens.

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What happened? What happened? Yeah? And it's funny because, yeah,

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you remember the gap. You remember the gal that was

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saying that she was the sixty year old Zodiac all

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that crowd that I read. She once again was able

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to reach out and post a comment on my YouTube

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channel after I'd already blocked her multiple times, and this

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time she said something like it you don't have clearance,

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so of course you can't find out, or something to

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that effect. And I'm not quite sure what she was

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referring to other than me talking about what has gone

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on and the unanswered questions that I have, And I

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get it, I don't have that pay grade. But I'm

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not asking for somebody to tell me what they're investigating.

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I'm not asking for their background secrets. I'm asking them

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to take a look at what I have to offer,

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nothing more, nothing less, which is exactly I mean. How

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are you going to reach out to the public and

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ask for people to call in with information when if

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somebody in this particular gular case reaches out with information,

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you don't give them the time of day. So I'm

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not looking for clearance, I'm not looking for inside information.

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I'm just looking for somebody to pay attention. So Tim

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Miller makes contact in mid July asking for my attendance

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in Texas, so this was right. This was well after

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he had come here to California collected information, and then

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Dennis had gone back to Texas, and we found out

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that Jack was in fact in Texas at his aunts

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in September of two thousand and five, which is consistent

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with the finale letter that was written to Tim Miller.

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Dennis was able to go in July, but I had

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to wait until summer semester was over, so unfortunately I

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was still in school earning my second degree, so I

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was not able to go out there with him. I

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made plans with Tim to come the first week of August,

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but as we got closer, he said that the FBI

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agent was working with that he was working with wanted

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to give a polygraph test to who they thought was

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their number one suspect before beginning a new line of suspects.

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So I don't understand why at the end of that

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polygraph test that they didn't. I don't know if the individual,

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and I'm thinking it must have been Clyde Hedrick. It

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has to be if that was his number one in

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who he took a fourteen million dollar lawsuit against. But

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we did have some things in the works after the fact,

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and then I didn't hear from him again until he

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reached out to me after I started this podcast. Okay, so,

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to my knowledge, this polygraph took place on August fifth

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of twenty and ten with a gentleman that was fined

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on a misdemeanor for mishandling a corpse when he was

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caught dumping an accidental droning victim in the same area

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as the four victims that included Tim's daughter because he

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freaked out and didn't know what to do with the body.

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To my knowledge, after five hours in a polygraph test,

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this man walked out frustrated, telling them to talk to

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his attorney, but didn't fill the light detector test. This

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man went in on his own a cord to clear

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his name of any involvement of Tim's daughter's death with

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no obligation to do so. I believe he's innocent. And again,

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I'm not sure if this is Clyde Hedrick. I'm not

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sure who this is.

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What's see doing dubbing a body?

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Well?

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He no.

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After watching the docu the newest docuseries on the League

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City Field of Deaths, it appeared as though this individual

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had met a gal at at the bar, and then

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they took off and left to some water source. I

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don't know. Maybe they're in the area where these deaths

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were and they purportedly were going to go swimming, skinny

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dipping something if I recall correctly, and she supposedly drowned,

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and then because she drowned, he then freaked out, didn't

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know what to do with her body, made some you know,

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less than good choices and handling it. I don't he

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was not convicted of the murder, just the mishandling of

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the corpse, and that's possibly because they didn't have enough

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information or maybe the body didn't show or suggests that

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she had been physically harmed, but being drowned, I don't know.

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they were being drowned. I would suspect there would be

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some type of flailing and fighting and something going on.

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when your oxygen's been cut off.

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their chest down and under, so you know what kind

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of marks would you have left unless they were, you know,

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flailing about and scratching themselves and scratching you. But then

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a majority of that evidence probably would have disappeared in

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the water.

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Yeah by him that got one hundred People would just

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call the police. Hey, there's one ground, it's accidental, don't

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get the body.

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Yeah right, well, I get got to remember and call

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the police. And we're talking back in like what is

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that eighties? No, I was talking to the day before

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cell phones.

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The beginning of the garfends.

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Not for that level of society.

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the woods.

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area of the League City Field of Deaths and he

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covered it with some debris or garbage or something like

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that to basically just skid out all out and not

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be figured out. But again it says he walked in

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on his own accord to clear himself.

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And how did they find out he was involved?

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I don't know if that happened in the polygraph or

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back to the document with Tim Miller.

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covered it with leaves or whatever and split. How would

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an you know, anybody know that he was. I guess

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people probably saw him leaving the bar with her, so

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maybe that's why.

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Was he actually charged. He was never charged for ten

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Miller's to daughter's death.

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A polygraph? What's that? What did you say?

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At least they don't even have her body?

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Oh? No, he does. She was buried in the oh

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yeah yeah, and so evidently that and other bodies as well.

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six girls that were buried and some of the some

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of theras had additional body parts like hands and things

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like that that were buried with them and the rest

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of the body. Right able, yes, which the the author

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of that letter to Tim made it clear that Abel

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was not the devil thought by the League City Blue

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Fuzzy Did we get into that?

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I know, Nanette, I wonder if we could see, if

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we could look to see any if there's anything recent

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that we could find that maybe he said on his deathbed,

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since he just passed I think it was either last

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month or the month before he just passed away.

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So I'm wondering if.

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Anybody could if anybody's like purported anything that he said,

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like on his deathbed, right.

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I'm sure. I'm sure he says he didn't do it,

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and we'll go to his grave with the fact that

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he didn't do it. But I think that in light

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of most people making those deathbed confessions, it's because they

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feel like they need to square up with God. I

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guess because they're about to die, so they will get

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things off their chests and say things that they've done.

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Some summer lies I think set up to just kind

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of gets during the pot and the mystery and others

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are probably legitimate. Either way. We know Arthur Lee Allen

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died with a letter in his hands saying I'm not

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the Zodiac, which is the opposite of what I would

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have expected the Zodiac to do well to data.

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From Watergate, and his son said on his death better

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or when he was near death, he confessed to his

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son as involved with in the JFK assassination.

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Exactly trying to get things, trying to make amends at

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that last minute. And you know what I thought was

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extremely interesting we're talking about now. I know that Government

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Gangsters by Cash Ptel can be found on Amazon Prime

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one informed me that it costs five dollars to rent

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or twenty dollars to I would rent it. I'd pay

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five bucks to see that. I wouldn't buy it. I

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don't know that how many other times I would want

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to watch it. But it was interesting to note that

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while Hillary was a Republican attorney on Watergate, she's found

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to be the person who perpetrates Russia gates in government gusters.

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Yeah, I don't.

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I looked into cash MATEL. He's a Trump at point e.

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I don't really trust the guy.

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I did not know that that documentary existed. Yet, why

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do not trust cash MATEL either? He has totally demolished

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the whole Charlie Kirk investigation with nothing but fed slop,

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as I call it, literally nothing but uh well, he.

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Is literally calling he's literally calling out the FEDS in this,

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in this particular government gangsters. He's naming the people's and

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that were involved with it, and he's saying how.

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He became the head of FBI, what's that did he make?

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Was this?

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Was this this production done made before he became the

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head of the FBI.

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The investigation that he did into the Russia information was

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done before he became because on now, this is the

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only point that I say, I did not believe something

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coming out of his mouth. And I always call these

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overdisclosures when people have to use extra words to force

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instill the belief that they want you to believe. And

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what he stated on the opening of this documentary is

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that he at the time did not and had not

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ever met Trump, and then he goes on to say

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I've never I'd never met him, and he goes ever,

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and when he said ever, you could see that his

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whole face told you everything you needed to know.

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He Ever, Yeah, I think that his total you know,

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perception and reality has changed since he became the head

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of API. Like it's total, it's just nothing but fed

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slov and lies now and there's nothing, no, nothing being

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done at this point since he's been in office. Now. Beforehand,

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he possibly could have been doing real research, real you know,

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investigation into things, which I think he was. But once

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you get into that position, that's when things change, when

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you know you are to go yes, I mean I

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did want to send it, but yeah, like it.

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Probably helped lead to trumping there because he was doing clerk.

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Yep, it's not a really he was figuring out the truth.

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But here I've been saying this entire time, this all

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sounds to me like a government program is to blame

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the weaponizing of the media. Everything about this reeks of

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a chess game. And the end goal, obviously, I suspect,

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is that Trump will be pardoned for anything and everything

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he's ever done, because it turns out, I believe the

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president president isn't the only person who can pardon right, well.

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Well, a federal offenses, he is that state offenses. Governors

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can grant clemency and things like that, and pardons.

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Right because I've seen other people pardon other people, and

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I mean clearly the FBI. And when you watch this documentary,

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you'll see that the FBI claimed there was no reason

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to investigate Hillary Clinton or Biden for holding on to

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classified documents when they were not president. Yet they chose

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to vilify and try to incriminate or indict Trump over

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the same thing. But he was president he was allowed

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to do so. So that's that two tier justice system.

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They're also going to be.

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Talking about that document.

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Investigation of Trump messing with the state of Georgia over

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the election and trying to get extra votes and trying

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to get them to rig their election.

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Gonna you're gonna hear You're gonna hear about that too.

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That again, is another one of those setups. So basically,

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the Democrats are blaming Trump for vote voter rigging, when

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the reality is I just watched another clip. They found

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something like two hundred and fifty thousand non citizens vote

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registered to vote, four hundred thousand or maybe I've got

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it backwards, four hundred thousand non citizens registered to vote,

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two hundred and fifty thousand registered voters who are actively dead.

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And this comes on light in just a couple states.

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They had something like twenty three states participate in the

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voter fraud investigation. Willingly, California was not one of them.

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Go figure. So realistically speaking, when we start looking at

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these numbers and what's going on and who's participating and

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who's not, you can see it's all about projecting. So

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the Dems are making up all of this information, weaponizing

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the media to make us believe that this is going

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on in Trump's camp, when in the reality, they're the

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ones that are collectively a part of it and projecting

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that onto Trump. And I suspect that at the end

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of Trump's term, We're gonna watch all of this go away,

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and he's gonna be glorified again, no different than these

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people who are not being arrested in the in the

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Epstein files, you know.

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All these seems about people see a lot better for

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what it is, like you know, like me and you,

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for instance, Sonny, I know your eyes have become very open,

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like you know, this year, within the past year. So

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I think that he's not going to be glorified as

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as he was before I was saying he will.

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He'll get off of every single charge and anything that

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was put against him to perpetrate this entire freaking scheme.

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I feel like this whole thing, like I said, as

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a chess game, and I'm not coming down on Dems

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and anybody who wants to be on the other side,

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no one. So I'm not shooting shots out at anybody.

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I just I get a lot of kickback from Dems

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that are bashing Trump for not fully releasing the Epstein files.

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And the reality is is I don't hear any of

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them bashing Biden. He had these files too, Obama had

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these files. These people had these files and never even

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attempted to release them. So I'm going to give a

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high five and a clap to to Trump for even

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attempting to release them, even if they're not complete, And

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that's because it's the closest to truth and transparency we've

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ever received out of anybody and eons that held these positions.

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So, I mean, we're pissed off over that.

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Though.

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Oh yes, we are back of new.

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Operation because that's why they held up the confirmation of

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the new Attorney general, because even the Republicans went over

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the Democratics side because they were pissed off about the

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Epstein situation.

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Yes, and I'm thoroughly upset that we're not getting the

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full file. I'm thoroughly I'm right there with everybody else

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who wants to bash Trump for it. But I look

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at it like there's been plenty of opportunities from both

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sides to release this information and we still haven't seen

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one indictment. So, I mean, when it goes right down

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to it, it's a tease, right, It's a little give

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me to make us feel like the government is on

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our side, but really, really is it. Well, back when

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this presentation was made, I had stated todate, I have

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not heard from Tim in regards to going to Texas

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to talk with his agents in regards to Jack, as

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he suggested that I do once they cleared this other guy.

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If anything occurred in this transaction, is that Tim can

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now sleep knowing that the person he believed to be

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guilty for his daughter's death all these years is not

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the man to hate. And I was hoping that I

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could give a lot of people a reason to move on,

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and I've done so many different handwriting examinations of potential

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suspects where the zodiac letters are concerned, and that it

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was for free once again. I think I only ever

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charged were at one time, and then I stopped charging

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for it because it felt skymy and dirty to do so.

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So here I am working for free again to do

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this endeavor, and mostly to help other people move on,

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because I don't want them to get trapped in this

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vacuum like I have, you know, for sixteen seventeen years

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out of my life. I will be glad when this

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presentation is over and we can move on to something

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else to talk about. In fact, Megan Walsh lindsay, I

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would like to start considering that we've probably only got

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a couple weeks left of this and then we'll be,

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you know, onto some free time to discuss and entertain

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00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.279
other people's thoughts and ideas in regards to some of

471
00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:40.279
the things that we've done here. On eight thirteen of

472
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:43.960
twenty ten, evidence is delivered to the LAPD investigator in

473
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:47.000
charge of the Black Doliophile Captain sat in on much

474
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.359
of the presentation of the handwriting and composite from the

475
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.839
Zodiac files. There's work being done on the negatives, so

476
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:54.880
this was all what was taking place at that time.

477
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:57.839
Remember that contained the picture that appears to be Elizabeth

478
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:00.799
Short and all of Jack's handwriting for examination, and we

479
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:03.359
had not heard anything to date at the time that

480
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:05.799
I wrote this, But we do know now that Mitzie

481
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:10.000
Roberts returned almost all of the negatives, not including the

482
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.720
ones we thought were Black Dahlia to Dennis, she flew

483
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.960
out here from la and she told him that she

484
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:20.240
was told hands off, don't touch this case, which really

485
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:23.000
upset her because when she was given the cold case

486
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.720
files as a detective, she the first thing she told

487
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:28.759
her friends is I'm going to solve the Black Dolia.

488
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:33.720
She doesn't know how close she was. Yeah, I will

489
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.039
attempt to update the success and failures and attempt to

490
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.319
get the state and federal governments to do their jobs.

491
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:40.480
The next slide contains the names and numbers in which

492
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:45.039
I faxed Jack's information to on the Americthrax Congressional Committee.

493
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.240
Oh it isn't The next slide must be coming after this,

494
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:51.119
But here's some interesting media. What's that?

495
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:56.079
Maybe law enforcement, the sheriff ad police in LA, especially

496
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:58.920
the police to barb it. They're embarrassed about the way

497
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.160
black dolliadves gation was handled. They don't want the truth

498
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.720
to come out because it'll show they were terrible cops.

499
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.359
M h. Well, and when you've got when you've got

500
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:12.880
a higher pay grade to people covering it up, steering

501
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:16.160
the investigation, duping you, making you look like an idiot,

502
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.680
It's hard to suck that down, right if you dride

503
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.240
yourself and being an officer or being a detective and

504
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:24.440
being able to get the job done. But at every

505
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:27.440
corner you were probably being blocked by something that did

506
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.519
not want that to be solved. So I'm not going

507
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:32.519
to short these people. In the beginning, I thought law

508
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:35.160
enforcement it allows you job myself. Now it seems to

509
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:38.119
me that they didn't really have a choice in their

510
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.119
investigation and what they could or couldn't do, because most

511
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.640
of it was probably being steered by somebody within the

512
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:46.920
department that was at a much higher level, say CIA,

513
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.599
Secret Service, FBI something like that.

514
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:55.880
Well, the LAPD and the FBI have a long history

515
00:28:55.880 --> 00:29:03.039
of being affiliated. Oh yeah, right, Well that's what some

516
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:07.079
of the main officers involved in the RFK investigation. The

517
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.680
ones in chargement basically were also trained I don't know

518
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:14.240
by the CI, but they were trained in foreign countries

519
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:20.480
in interrogation techniques and things like that. Crazy, and they

520
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.279
basically sabotaged the Kennedy investigation, the.

521
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.839
Robert Kennedy right for all the Kennedys for that matter.

522
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:35.160
Ye ways, you know, and I remember growing up and

523
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.680
after one Kennedy, after the next Kennedy, after the next Kennedy.

524
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.680
Of course, the JFK and RFK were before my time,

525
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:44.160
but knowing that they had been assassinated was kind of

526
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.359
like the predecessor to what we saw with what Teddy

527
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:50.960
Kennedy and other Kennedy's that just continually won after the

528
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:56.240
next that went under the knife. And that always reminded

529
00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.279
me of mobs syndicate, because they don't just stop with you.

530
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:02.400
They continue to take your family too.

531
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.359
They tried to make documentaries.

532
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:08.960
Real Kennedy.

533
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.920
It turns out howard make documents.

534
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.039
Hold on, Hold on, hold on, Lindsay.

535
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.640
Sorry, was a trap equittic the weekend Mary Joe to

536
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:25.400
Petty drown really one of the watergate plumbers and also

537
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.920
involved in the jfkssassination. Longtime ci A guy. He was

538
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:31.359
a tapiquittict that weekend.

539
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:37.359
That's extremely interesting. And so she drowned. Was that accident

540
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.000
or that you think to.

541
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:43.319
Get car went off the bridge and Ted Kennedy was

542
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:45.880
in the car and he swam the.

543
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:52.559
Same right, So so rigging of the car possibly.

544
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:58.400
Now here's another deal too, Yes, regular the car, that's possible,

545
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:02.960
and the possible that he may not have known she

546
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:03.599
was in the car.

547
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.119
She may have been asleep in the back seat. I

548
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:06.599
don't know.

549
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:10.559
There's there's a lot of weird things involved with the

550
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:11.680
ap quitic situation.

551
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:14.759
Oh, the Kennedy's in general.

552
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:18.640
Go ahead, Lindsay, I was just gonna say, like, you

553
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.279
know that at one point there was so many of

554
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.920
them that was that it had happened to over the

555
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.759
years that they tried to make it seem like that

556
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.200
that like with these documentaries, Oh, are the Kennedy's curse,

557
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.880
They're cursed?

558
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:39.200
Yeah, Mike, what like anybody can see this is definitely

559
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:42.200
not a curse. This is a reoccurrence like that has

560
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:44.559
reoccurred too many times to be a curse.

561
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.559
Like well, the only accidental one was the oldest brother,

562
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:49.359
Joe Junior.

563
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:50.599
He got killed in the war.

564
00:31:51.000 --> 00:32:01.200
It was a pilot right, yeah, and here even then, yeah,

565
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:02.000
he was well.

566
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:06.680
He was ready to be the first politician, but then

567
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:11.079
when he got killed, it fell onto John Shoulders, gotcha.

568
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.279
So here I remember that some hollyweird, which I think

569
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.680
is interesting because the History Channel is the one that

570
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:23.440
produced this website and the different suspects in the Zodiac case,

571
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:26.880
I've never personally spoken to them. I have no knowledge

572
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.559
of Dennis ever having spoke to them. So how is

573
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.799
it that they could make any statement in regards to

574
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:36.319
Jack Terrence. This is what they had to say on

575
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:38.920
their site in regards to the Zodiac and why would

576
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:41.519
they would even care to have one? Also blows my

577
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.240
mind at the same time, because who are you trying

578
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:48.319
to instill disinformation in by putting one up if you

579
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:52.839
haven't actively investigated it yourself, so it says Jack Terrence's

580
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:57.440
number seven on their list. Why suspected? Dennis Kaufman also

581
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:02.200
received extensive publicity claim mean that his late stepfather, Jack Terrence,

582
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.039
was a Zodiac. Kaufman said Terrence was a dead ringer

583
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.319
for the composite sketch and claimed to have a stash

584
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.680
of incriminating evidence, including a role of film depicting possible

585
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.799
victims and a bizarre hooded costume like the Zodiac war

586
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.960
during the Lake Berryessa stabbings. On a two thousand and

587
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:21.160
seven Discovery Channel documentary, a document examiner said Terrence's handwriting

588
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.960
match the zodiacs. Now, this is why they say they

589
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:27.720
ruled Jack out. And this is the biggest bullshit reason

590
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.839
I've ever heard in my entire life. Why ruled out?

591
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:35.759
Law enforcement officials dismissed Kaufman's evidence as nonsense. That's bs

592
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:39.119
We're going to be playing those law enforcement audio tapes

593
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.599
again for you guys in the upcoming weeks. One photo

594
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:44.839
showed a blob of color. He claimed it was black

595
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:48.680
Dahlia victim Elizabeth Short. It's not simply a blob of color.

596
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.759
The hooded costume Kaufman produced was much cruder than what

597
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:56.880
the victims described. Did Brian Hart Now really said this

598
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:00.119
was made out of a plush material with the of

599
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:03.920
the teen edges, Like what exactly does cruder mean?

600
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.880
And they used the plural of victims when the only

601
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.280
one to see the hood, well aside from the one

602
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:15.400
that died, but was there's only one yes witness, so

603
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.880
you can't see, you know, can't use plural there heart

604
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:21.000
Nell's only one.

605
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.840
Cecilia Shepherd was was very much.

606
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.119
She got in the hospital, but I don't think she

607
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:33.880
could talk well.

608
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:35.639
I don't know that she would have been given any

609
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:39.320
in depth detail in regards to the seamstress style.

610
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:44.320
I see the hood, I mean they showed on the

611
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:49.800
Afrodity Jones shown and it looks just like the zodiac.

612
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.039
Could It's consistent with everything that we have been told

613
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:56.320
and that we know. The fabric predates the zodiac.

614
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.639
The pattern, everything, everything.

615
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:01.719
Where it stopped, that the shoulders, how it comes down

616
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:06.079
over the test, the square notion of it, like everything

617
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.559
about it was absolutely consistent. So the fact that they

618
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.679
try to say cruder than what they described. Researchers also

619
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:18.000
challenged the documentary the document examiner's credibility. She believed Terrence

620
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.599
had also written the John Benny Ramsey ransom note. Terrence

621
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:24.039
died in two thousand and six. Now let's get this clear,

622
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:28.880
you guys. I see characteristics and evidence of natural handwriting

623
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.079
in the Ramsey ransom note. And if any of you

624
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:34.199
guys can't pick that out on your own, I'm sorry,

625
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:36.599
because you will hit some words in there that you

626
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:40.960
can definitely see is good natural handwriting. It just happens

627
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.199
to match the construction of Jack Terrence's handwriting. And we

628
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:48.480
have him leaving the family in California one month before

629
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:51.360
the murder of John Benny Ramsey to supposedly go home

630
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.880
and take care of his mom, and we have calls Dororato,

631
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:58.079
We've got that are going on. Like I mean, I'm

632
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.199
saying he is a good suspect to look at. So

633
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:05.800
while I say that the handwriting on the John Bene

634
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:10.320
Ramsey note matches the other disguised handwritings found within the

635
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:12.760
letters that we talk about, so there's probably more of

636
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:16.679
a connection between the John Bene Ramsey ransom note with

637
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:21.119
other Zodiac communications and other letters written in unsolved crime

638
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:24.159
spreeze across the nation. It does not necessarily mean that

639
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.000
I made a complete identification. But I am stating that

640
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.000
there is natural handwriting in there that is consistent with Jack.

641
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.679
And I did reach out, as you saw, to Mary

642
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.679
and in the Boulder DA, to other people trying to

643
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.519
get them to look at this. So again they are

644
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:41.559
misquoting and misstating what it is that I said.

645
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:49.000
Character, Yes, yeah, conclusion, what it is just evidence?

646
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:53.400
Yeah, I just yes, And that doesn't that doesn't diminish

647
00:36:53.480 --> 00:37:02.000
my credibility by any means investigated people. It's yours say, that's.

648
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:05.239
Kind of a cheap shot, shall we say?

649
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.400
Yeah? Yeah, go ahead, lindsay sorry.

650
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:11.280
The date of that, the date that I would.

651
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.639
Have to go I'd have to go back to. We'll

652
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.079
see if we can find it. As we go through,

653
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:16.679
we'll talk about some of the other ones. So this

654
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:18.599
is some other things that were on their watch the

655
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:22.159
hunt for the Zodiac Killer on stream vault. Law enforcement

656
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.039
officers from two Bay area counties in San Francisco meeting

657
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.199
on October twentieth, nineteen sixty nine to compare notes toward

658
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:33.199
catching the Zodiac Killer before he struck again. Here's number

659
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:35.840
one on their list, and it says here are eight

660
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.280
who have generated the most interests. Now. I also find

661
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.480
it extremely interesting that they say eight because Harry Phillips

662
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:43.800
twenty on twenty when they did the DNA test back

663
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.719
in two thousand, two thousand and two, they tested eight

664
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.079
people too, but one of them wasn't Jack, and he

665
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:53.719
specifically stated, we didn't test Jack because we knew the

666
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.199
others weren't the Zodiac. So we're going to go through

667
00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:59.480
this list and the other seven of these eight is

668
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:03.280
who were tested in regards to it. So number one

669
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:06.280
Lawrence Kane why suspected Cain worked in the same Lake

670
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.320
Tahoe hotel as donal Last, who disappeared in nineteen seventy

671
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.960
and may have been another Zodiac victim. He served in

672
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:14.480
the naval reserves, where he might have learned coding and

673
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.920
might have we know Jack learned coding. Like this makes

674
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.159
me want a puke. You're going to investigate somebody who

675
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:25.199
might have here's to it History Channel and a nineteen

676
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:27.880
sixty two car accident left him with a brain injury

677
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.360
that could have compromised his ability to control urges. He

678
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.039
was arrested for peeping in nineteen sixty one and for

679
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:36.719
prowling in nineteen sixty eight. Oh yeah, you sound like

680
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:41.719
a killer, all right. A retired police detective investigating the

681
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:44.119
case in the nineteen eighties claimed that Caine's name was

682
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.960
embedded in one of the Zodiac's cipher and that Darlene's

683
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.719
sister Linda had identified a photo of Kane that's so

684
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.199
completely opposite of what we know the composites look like,

685
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.880
but identified a photo of Kin as the man, she

686
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.639
said out bothered Darlene at a restaurant. A San Francisco

687
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.840
police officer who probably saw the Zodiac moments after Stein's

688
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:06.760
murder said Caine's photo was closer than any other likeness

689
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:09.079
he had seen. What the f I don't even know

690
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.400
how to deal with these people. Kathleen John's, who escaped

691
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.039
from a man believed to be the Zodiac in Modesta

692
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.800
in nineteen seventy, also identified a photo of Kine as

693
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:20.559
the abductor. That's complete bs, whatever.

694
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:24.199
Is the guy?

695
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.039
Yeah, So how could you then look at a picture

696
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:27.559
of Cain?

697
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.280
Who do we have a picture of king?

698
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.800
We do. He's the one with the heavy, dark, thick

699
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:38.679
eyebrows and the very dark brown hair. He's just kind

700
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:46.480
of opposite, nothing like the composite. So it's just ridiculous

701
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:50.760
Ross Sullivan and why suspect it? Now? I believe Ross

702
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:55.480
Sullivan and Lawrence Kine were the primary suspects in the

703
00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:00.639
most lated latest documentary or docuseries that was on where

704
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:05.400
Orange Shack describes how he sawd the period nineteen Codd

705
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:11.440
three forty cipher, which again just complete crap. But these

706
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:14.599
people supposedly didn't have any military background, and they are

707
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.960
attempting in those docuseries to state that there's no military

708
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.760
connection to the Zodiac cases, which we know is pure crap.

709
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:24.800
And yet both of these individuals have been in the military,

710
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.519
So why suspect it? The nineteen sixty six murder of

711
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Sherry Joe Bates and Riverside, California, bore many similarities to

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the Zodiac kill killings. Staffers at the Riverside City College

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00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:39.440
Library where Bates's body was found set a coworker, Ross Sullivan.

714
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.599
So now Ross Sullivan's a cool worker, had made them

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00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.960
uncomfortable and disappeared for several days after the murder. Sullivan

716
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:48.719
also supported a crew cut and glasses similar to the

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00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:52.119
composite sketch of the Zodiac. He moved to Northern California

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00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.880
in nineteen sixty seven and was hospitalized several times for

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00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:58.159
bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. And if you see this guy,

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00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.920
he's blonde as the day is long. His face is

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00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:04.519
definitely nothing like the composite seen by Officer Folk at

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00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.679
the presidio the night of Polstein's murder. And it goes

723
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.679
on to say that Sullivan wore an army jacket and

724
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:13.320
military style boots like those left footprints at the Lake

725
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:17.119
Berrysa stabbings. Who knows this, Who's seen this? Where's this

726
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:20.039
evidence that he actually wore these boots or the wing

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00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:28.920
Walkers Zodiac Well, they're considered military boots, but I don't

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00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:30.840
think that their boots in the sense like we would

729
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:33.599
think of typical boots. But back in the day, they

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00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:37.320
were short boots, right, Like, I don't know, I have

731
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:44.800
to yeah, see Sullivan wore okay, zodiac buffs. Also note

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that his letters mentioned the Mikado by Gilbert and Sullivan,

733
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:52.119
which could be a reference to Sullivan's name. Number three

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00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.400
Arthur Lee Allen Why suspected the portrait is the prime

735
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.800
suspect in Robert Graysmith's books. Oh and every movie ever

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00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:02.679
since Jake billen Hall movie like the single keep beating

737
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.400
up Alan. It's ridiculous, yeah, one of which was the

738
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.039
basis of the two thousand and seven movie Zodiac. Alan

739
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:12.440
was questioned by the police in nineteen sixty nine and

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00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:17.840
again in nineteen seventy one after a friend told authorities

741
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.519
Alan had talked about wanting to kill people in secure

742
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:23.719
a flashlight to a firearm, as the Zodiac did. Alan

743
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.960
wore a Zodiac ran watch. This is the evidence they

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00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:29.400
have against him, So pay attention, folks. This is not

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00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.400
much when we're going to go over what Jack actually

746
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.960
has his evidence that really supports he's the best suspect.

747
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.159
But Alan wore a Zodiac ran watched, owned the same

748
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:43.440
caliber gun used in one Zodiac shooting, and told police

749
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:46.039
the bloody knives in his car were used for killing chickens.

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00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.719
He was less than honorably discharged from the Navy and

751
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:54.239
been fired from his school teacher job amid sexual disconduct allegations.

752
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:58.559
He was also amedextrious, which some theorists say he could

753
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:02.239
have helped disguise his head and writing. Police investigated Alan

754
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:05.360
again in nineteen ninety one after an informant facing armed

755
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.920
robbery charge just said Alan had boasted to him about

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00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.960
killing a cab driver. At that point, Michael Majeaux, who

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00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:14.079
survived the Balleo attack, identified a photo of Alan as

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00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:18.599
the shooter. Ball Into two thousand and seven movie victim.

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00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:21.280
Darlene Fair and sister Lynda also identified a photo of

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00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.559
Alan as the man she said had stalked her sister.

761
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:26.719
So now there's other people stalking the sister. I mean,

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00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:29.360
I think this is great that they keep repeating. What

763
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:38.360
did they say in the last one, peeping Tom at

764
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:42.320
the restaurant? Yeah. Darlene's sister Linda had identified a photo

765
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:43.800
of Kane. Now what did we just say?

766
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:46.039
So she said, everybody?

767
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.039
Yeah Darklen Dart and Sisterlynda also identified a photo of

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00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.119
Alan as the man. Now, Alan and Kane look absolutely

769
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:59.639
nothing alike. I'd be surprised if he said any of

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00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:04.440
it as the man his She said, it's stocked.

771
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:06.440
Stuff.

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00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:11.039
I don't think that he even rationalized this. They wrote

773
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:15.280
this for their website, and they duplicate information over and

774
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.519
over again. That makes them look ridiculous.

775
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:23.400
Doctor sister they have is that repetition?

776
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:29.280
Maybe she's on drugs looking for a quick payday, will

777
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.800
be willing to identify whoever Their latest fling is.

778
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:35.119
Either way.

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00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.960
According to the film, police were closing in when Alan died.

780
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.519
Why ruled out Alan seems like a good suspect as

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00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.440
long as you only get information from people who think

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00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.239
he's guilty, says Butterfield. This is another one of those

783
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:53.480
people in the Zodiac community online. Alan didn't match witness

784
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:56.679
descriptions of the Zodiac. His fingerprints didn't match those found

785
00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:59.360
in the Paullstein's cab and believed to be the Zodiacs.

786
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:02.280
His palm didn't match the one found on a Zodiac letter,

787
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.280
and his DNA didn't match the partial DNA profile created

788
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.039
in two thousand and two from saliva on an envelope

789
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:11.000
believed to be the Zodiacs. Two searches of Alan's home

790
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:14.039
found no incriminating evidence. Police had samples of his right

791
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:17.320
and left handwriting, and neither matched the Zodiacs. The two

792
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:21.599
thousand and seven movie contained many fictitious elements. Zodiac researchers

793
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:24.880
say police considered Mijau's photo ID to be weak, and

794
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:30.440
movie the scene with Darlene's sister never occurred. Alan died

795
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:32.760
of a heart attack in nineteen ninety two, proclaiming he

796
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:39.119
was not the Zodiac number four, Richard Marshall, Why suspected. Marshall,

797
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:43.119
a hand radio operator and movie projectionist, lived in Riverside

798
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.119
in nineteen sixty six and in later in San Francisco,

799
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.119
near where Stein was murdered. Visitors to his home told

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00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.360
police they found him peculiar and that he had talked

801
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:55.199
about finding something much more exciting than sex. Marshall liked

802
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:57.679
old movies, including The Red Phantom, which was mentioned in

803
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.159
the nineteen seventy four Zodiac letter. Lived in a basement apartment,

804
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:04.280
which the Zodiac also cited. He owned a typewriter and

805
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.760
a teletype similar to those the Zodiac used. They both

806
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.639
liked felt tip pens and odd sized paper. This is

807
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.679
all Jack stuff. I feel like they've taken parts of

808
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.639
what they know about Jack and implemented them into these

809
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:21.280
other suspects information, because where's the information to support or show.

810
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.800
I gave the felt tip and I believe was used

811
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:26.320
in the Zodiac crimes to the FBI, and I've still

812
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.840
not heard anything about it. Why ruled out. In a

813
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:33.679
nineteen eighty nine TV interview, Marshall conceded there were many similarities,

814
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:36.719
but I'd be in the Zodiac NAPA County Sheriff's detective

815
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.559
Ken Narlow, who preserved the case for decades, said Marshall

816
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:42.079
makes a good reading, but not a very good suspect

817
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.039
in my estimation. Marshall died in a nursing home in

818
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:51.079
two thousand and eight. Number five Richard Gaikowski. Why suspected Gaikowski,

819
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.639
added a counterculture newspaper in San Francisco. A former coworker

820
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:58.239
sent long, rambling letters to law enforcement agencies accusing him

821
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.760
of being the Zodiac and said Geikowsk he invited him

822
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:05.000
to engage in violent acts together. The accuser, nickname Goldketcher,

823
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.880
appeared in disguise on an episode of the History Channel's

824
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.559
Mystery Quest in two thousand and nine and provided recordings

825
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:14.480
of Gaikowski's voice. On the show, A police dispatcher who

826
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:16.719
spoke to the Zodiac said she thought it was the

827
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:20.239
same voice. Way to Go girlfriend. Researcher Tom Boyd also

828
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:23.039
notes that Geike appears in a part of the of

829
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:26.639
a cipher the Zodiac said contained his identity. Let's get

830
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:35.119
this clear, Geike gyk E is not Gai Gaikowski. You

831
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.880
just making things up now? Why ruled out Goldketcher was

832
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:41.880
a known conspiracy theorist with little credibility, described by San

833
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:45.599
Francisco police inspector as one of the three top Zodiac kouks.

834
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:50.599
When Narlo the NAPPA detective interviewed Gaikowski, the journalist claimed

835
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:52.360
he was out of the country at the time of

836
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:55.039
the nineteen sixty eight murders on Lake Herman Road, but

837
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:58.119
he had lost his passport. San Francisco and NAPA police

838
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.079
denied request to compare a DNA SAMP from Gaykowski to

839
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:04.199
the Zodiacs. He died in two thousand and four. Earl

840
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:06.639
Van Best Junior I was hoping to get through this.

841
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:11.840
We've got two minute why suspected. In his twenty fourteen

842
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:14.320
book The Most Dangerous Animal of All, Gary Stewart made

843
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.880
a case that his biological father, Earl Van Best Junior,

844
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.000
was the Zodiac. Stewart and said Best resembled the composite

845
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.920
sketch of the Zodiac. Lived in California at the time

846
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.800
of the killings, was interested in Cypher's new a Satanist

847
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:29.280
and a Manson family member, and liked Gilbert and Sullivan.

848
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.760
Bess also served time in prison for statutory rape of

849
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.039
Stuart's mother and may have held a grudge against San

850
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.440
Francisco Chronicle reporter Paul Avery, who wrote a series of

851
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:41.679
articles about the couple. Stewart claimed to have found Best's

852
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.599
initials in the zodiac ciphers, and the document examiner said

853
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:48.480
the handwriting on best minory certificate matched the zodiacs, although

854
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:50.840
their fingerprints didn't match. A mark that could have been

855
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.599
a scar was visible in Bests and those found in

856
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.480
Stein's cab, while Why ruled out. Despite the vast publicity

857
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:00.920
Stuart's book received, experts quickly dismissed most of its claims.

858
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:03.719
The method he used to crack the cipher was questionable,

859
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:06.760
the fingerprint mark was similar to the zodiacs only if

860
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.039
it was reversed, and the handwriting on the marriage certificate

861
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:12.280
was the minister's, not Best. This was Mike Woxall, who

862
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.639
I just recently beat in court trying to proclaim that

863
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:18.960
a signature was authentic. That was definitely a forgery. As

864
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.119
for Best resemblance to the composite sketch, Butterfield says a

865
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.119
crew cut with horn rimmed glasses was hardly a unique

866
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.119
look in the nineteen sixties. Best died in nineteen eighty four.

867
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.519
You're right, I'm not gonna make Oh, I was almost there.

868
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.760
We're gonna say real quick, go ahead.

869
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:43.440
Okay, I don't think the fingerbridge found in Fustein's cab Zodiac.

870
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:44.760
I think there's someone else.

871
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:49.440
So because Zodiac, he got weird done.

872
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:51.280
Guys, I was just gonna say the one that you

873
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:55.400
just mentioned about that was the previous movie producer. He

874
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:59.920
also doesn't look nothing like the Zodiac composite either, exactly.

875
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:04.920
We'll come We'll come back to Donald Luis ba joke

876
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.280
at the end. That seems to be the last suspect

877
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:09.639
the History Channel wants to focus on. I thank you

878
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:11.599
all for being here. We'll pick up where we left

879
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:14.039
off next week as we wrap up all of my

880
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.199
research and investigations and what I've done in this case.

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Everybody have a wonderful weekend. We'll see you next Friday.

882
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:22.960
Thank you guys for being me.

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00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:24.599
Thanks