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0:52 Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. We are entering in to some very interesting information based on a YouTube response that I received. This last week, I had a message from someone named Sean Weston. I'm not exactly sure how he knows Dennis or some of the information that I'm about to share with you, but I found a lot of it to be extremely interesting because I had recently been contacted and asked to look at the Son of Sam letters to determine if there was more than one author. I haven't got all the files together just yet on that, nor the handwriting for David Berkowitz in order to do the examination, but it does look like it's something I'm going to entertain there.

1:42 Back and forth obviously all the time between he was the only person and then there was a group and I think one of the journalists that had investigated I wish Nolan was here right now, he'd know who I'm talking about. I feel like his name was like Moury or something like that. But they did a docuc on him and he had covered the Son of Sam murders and indicated that there were people who were actively videotaping in another vehicle that the murder that was going down, so as if to say that they were snuff films that were being sold to individuals. So this kind of theory or lineup of thinking is kind of down the same avenue as where I'm going. But I want to read his response to you.

2:25 So Sean says Zodiac isn't a man, it's a CIA psych. Se Siop didn't Dennis ever mention having met Larry Kine, Gary Post and members of the Post's posse. So now he's interjecting the Post crew, which we looked at Gary Post as a possibility for the Zodiac, but we can definitely tell he's not the Zodiac. He doesn't even wear glasses, and in every picture I've ever seen him in I've not seen him wear glasses, but as part of a group or a crew that fits right on into some of the theories that we have that Zodiac did not alone. And there's a possibility that he has written or authored communications in other cases where he may or may not have been the killer as well. So that's why we follow Jack Terrence's footsteps for the proximity and the evidence to see if it fits in with training that we know he has and his capabilities. But he goes on to say they create as much hysteria as possible and sell the actual murder videos for half a million dollars. Also, Detroit's top writer and photographer were heavily involved in the child trafficking and photographing. No one was ever going to be arrested for any of this. Chuck knew his dad was one of the Zodiacs because his older brother had told him. I want to at least speak briefly on that.

3:47 I'm guessing when he says older in all caps is Dennis, because Dennis is the only brother to my knowledge that Chuck has, So why he didn't just say Dennis told him, I'm not sure. Maybe there's something else he's alluding to again that I'm not aware of. He says Jack and Larry, So Larry came. Jack and Larry were trading kids for drugs through a laundry company where they would meet in Illinois and trade identical laundry trucks, one full of drugs and one full of kids. The Cotton, Minnesota laundry was servicing the Detroit suburb of Birmingham. That's a long way to go for towels. The only reason the son of Sam was caught is because there was too much info and speculation coming out. Someone had to take one for the team. So on a backup here to the laundry truck thing, we know that in seventy five, Jack moved the entire family from South Lake Tahoe, where him and Nora, Dennis's mother were both working at the South Lake Tahoe Linen company, to Cotton, Minnesota. And I just kind of assumed that the proximity there to the Oakland County child birders were because Dennis's father, Nora's ex husband, and fam all lived in the Michigan area and it was.

5:03 About a twelve hour drive. However, at the same time, Dennis would mention that Jack would go. He calls it missing. Maybe he didn't know that he was working. I have no clue, but he would pick up and take off and be gone for weeks at a time, claiming to have been hunting. Which is interesting when you throw that scenario of the Zodiac killer who was hunting game, which was people into that philosophy of Jack has always gone and missing and out hunting to feed the family, but didn't come home with anything to feed the family. So when we picked back up in. Cotton, Minnesota and there is a laundry company there as well, and this gentleman is mentioning that this laundry service was actually servicing Detroit, Michigan, it kind of throws a whole another thought process there for me to consider in regards to what Jack might be doing, because again, like I said, he was purportedly on a disability and not making any money, not getting his disability service pay at this time because he was fighting for it in court. And how he could pick the entire family up and just move to another state without any type of resources. So we're going to be looking into that a little bit and see how it plays into the Son of Sam. And my response basically at this point in regards to the group effort that this gentleman is talking about, is that I'm going to say, Dennis has never met mentioned to me that he had ever met Larry Kane or Gary Post or members of the Post posse. He had never never

6:39 insinuated that there was any type of group involvement. He was serious and solid on the fact that his father perpetrated the Zodiac killings. The handwriting suggests that he did so. The only knowledge that I have of a group involvement that came from Dennis was that. He he. Stated that at the wake or the service for Jack, that men in black suits showed up, grabbed Jack's urn, got into their vehicle, left and was gone for a week with it, returned it with nothing said to anybody, no questions asked, no speaking to anybody, kind of like one of those men in black show up, get what they want out the door.

7:24 But the dropping back off of. The urn was also interesting as well, So maybe what they wanted to do is test and make sure what was in fact Jack. The other group involvement that he discussed is that at one point in time, while we were at the end of the investigation and I say end, because it never really ended with the FBI. Is that Dennis had received a phone call indicating that there were individuals who wanted to meet him in South Lake Tahoe. He was very excited. He thought this was maybe somebody wanting to sit down and discuss the solving of this case or the closing of this case. And when he got there, he said he was met once again with men in black and they, as much as he would tell me about it, is that they stated, as long as he stuck just to the Zodiac, he wouldn't have any problems. But if he had actively climbed outside of the zodiac killings, that that's when there would be some type of problem, almost as if to insinuate he shouldn't investigate any further. Good morning, Nolan, Good morning in the world, the world. Yes, you guys, did you catch that on this little YouTube comment a little.

8:33 Bit I've heard before about you stick to the Zodiac. You're not gonna have too many problems. If you go beyond that, there might be issues. No, the actual post from this gentleman that pulled up, I think they sent it to you. I think I sent it to you by text. When he came in. Yes, so yeah, we don't disagree. No, no, yeah, And I just I just finished reading it and kind of giving my response to it. If you still don't have that on your text, I'll let you know. But he's basically saying that there was And this is the one The part that really got me is that he talks about the Cotton Minnesota laundry company which service this Detroit suburb of Birmingham. So remember that Jack moved to Cotton, Minnesota in nineteen seventy five for some unknown reason, drug the entire family out there, and then we have the Oakland County child murders.

9:34 Wow. So this guy stating that the Cotton Minnesota laundry was actually servicing the Detroit suburb of Birmingham. So that's what would. Give Jack once again, aside from Dennis's family that lived in Detroit proximity to that area and the murders that were occurring. So it's another laundry connection. Did he work for some sort of laundry TI facility? Yeah, he worked for South Lynn and South Lake Tago Linning company. Yeah. And of course we have some cases in the San Francisco area where folded up laundry was left leaving the scene of the crime, as if it was trails of breadcrumbs that the suspect had left after killing somebody that tied in that.

10:15 Whole laundry thing. So yeah, some craziness. Well, we are back to Tom Boyd today and his website. So this was his main page of course, and he talks about television and America's Most Wanted Fox News Portland, Oregon, San Francisco, California, Sacramento, California, the Learning Channel's Case Reopened, the History Channel's Perfect Crimes. He has radio with Howard Stern Show. And the magazines and newspapers that he touts are Manhunter Magazine, the Napa Valley Registered wo Go Napa. I used to deliver that paper, the Baleto Times Herald, the Benetia Harald, the Backaville Reporter, and the Contra Costic Times. I'm a little boggled by the fact that he doesn't actually talk about the Examiner or the Chronicle from San Francisco or the La Times, or like, where are these other places that the Zodiac was known to write to in.

11:16 This mix or riverside that as well. So he's got his site index which includes the main page, the victims, the suspect, the news center, the Arthur Lee Allen file. Now, mind you, I want to say that this was circa in nineteen ninety eight on this particular website, and he didn't actually tear it down fully until about somewhere between two thousand and three and two thousand and five. Needless to say, we know that in two thousand, two thousand and one, somewhere around there, twenty on twenty did the DNA test which double confirmed that the DNA did not match Arthur Lee Allen. He was cleared from DNA even before that, handwriting multiple searches on multiple properties, they didn't find anything that led lended to him actively of having been the Zodiac, nor did he match the composite.

12:05 So his about Zodiac killer dot Com, it says online since September nineteen ninety eight, Zodiac killer dot Com is an extremely high profile website, generating an average of one hundred and twenty five thousand hits each month at left or several media outlets that have featured Zodiac Killer dot Com in some capacity advertising now offered. So I mean he's making a full blown business out of this. Zodiac Killer dot com is now making space available for your advertising needs. Banner ads may be purchased for the following pages main page, News center page, Zodiac Killerlinks page. Pricing banners are available in two sizes, small and large. Small equals one hundred and twenty five by seventy five pixels.

12:51 Large equals three hundred and twenty five by one hundred and twenty five pixels. If necessary, accommodations can be made if your banner does not fit these requirements. Small banner is fifteen dollars per per day, Like, I wonder, yeah, how how long people would actively run it? Ten dollars a car. Payment, especially in nineteen ninety eight, that's I think more than a car payment. Yeah, ten dollars per day on the news center page and five dollars per day on the Zodiac Killers Links page. The large banner is twenty dollars per page on the main page, so it just goes up from there. Fifteen dollars per day on the news center page. So yeah, he was He's making money off of something while he's also being given all of the rights to videos and news footage and pictures and even original color scans of documents of the Zodiacs, which is unexplainable. You know, how is it that you come across this when this is supposed to be evidence in an unsolved murder case. And anybody else in the public, if they go to ask about this case, they're literally told it's still under investigation.

14:00 We can't tell you anything except for Tom Voy. Yeah. So we see a picture here. It looks like Dave Tashi. Yeah, yeah, Tashi. Signed for him Mary Xmas, just like the Zodiac wrote to him. And this actually says picture at the left is former sfpdoff homicide inspector Dave Toshi from December nineteen sixty nine. Tashi signed the photo for me in San Francisco on twelve, twenty ninety eight, the thirtieth anniversary of Zodiac's first known murders. First known murders. So here even at this time, even after knowing because the FOIA files end in nineteen ninety one, and I found in the FOIA files that Riverside had indicated and joined up with San Francisco on the investigation of the Zodiac because they believed Sherry Joe Bates was also killed by the Zodiac.

14:51 So that would make the earliest murder right not the twelve twenty ninety eight. I think the earliest were the San Diego and Galida ones. Well, but those were those weren't hadn't officially been tied in yet, they're not. Yeah, they're just it's speculated that the Yeah, but the words that you could actually tied the Zodiac is sure Joe Bates, Yes, but aside, Yeah, the movie Bullet, it's filming the Bay Area, San Francisco. Main lead Steve McQueen's a detective. He actually uses Tashi's revolver as a prop in that movie. Oh interesting, Yeah, and. It's about an assassin blah blah blah, political YadA YadA.

15:34 And and why why you can get a gun anywhere? Why are you using the main investigator in Zodiac? I think it's it's just a little wrinkle they put in there. Yes, add allure, you know, allure or a little bit of truth and reality? Yeah? Yeah, and who and who knows that? How did you find that out? Was that something that was said in the movie or is that something you were totally I. Think it was in the book by Homeboy, the main book smith. Yeah. Yeah, Well, this goes on to say during our twenty minute conversation, Tossi Tashi was noticeably somber as he reflected on the unfortunate victims.

16:19 And the maniac just out of his reach. Somber he says, But he also accuses this man of having forged letters. Yes, at some point, so, uh, what's the weirdest thing? Ever? Why would the lead uh detective forge a zodiac letter? It makes sense to make himself look better, you know, because you know this guy's tricky. I can't can't catch him, and he was. I think he was found to be writing letters about himself, trying to get publicity or some action from the media. But he didn't proclaim to have been the Zodiac in those there was something that I remembered reading about it.

17:04 I would have to go back again. However, I find that the two zodiac letters that they are attempting to state, one is actually found in the FOYA files that indicates that it was not a legitimate. But then you're back and forth between the document examiners of that time, some saying it is the only one that I know of that said it wasn't worked for the post office and the government, So that would be the least one that I would trust as we know, government examiners don't tend to be very good at this job. I see something up here in the right hand corner, and it's a URL. I don't know what I was able to find in regards to it, but it says Bates DNA HTML. So if I could link back and figure out what this URL went to and what he's talking about the DNA, maybe that's this actual clip here where it says Sherry Joe Bates was murdered the night of October thirtieth, nineteen sixty six. The attack occurred spelled incorrectly, on the campus of Riverside City College and Riverside Bob Barnett, not his real name, was developed as a suspect within about Okay, this is the Bob Barnett's stuff, within about two years of Sherry Joe's murder, initially based on the testimony of an informant who claimed Barnett had bragged about the killing. You know what's even more insane is Barnett is Jack's mother's maiden name.

18:20 Interesting, I know. So let's see, this informant was in jail when he came forward with the incriminating information about Barnett, but passed a polygraph examination. His story has remained consistent. Like Bates, Barnett was a student at RCC during the fall of nineteen sixty six. In fact, Barnett and Bates dated in the weeks prior to her death. Barnett had also attended either high school or grade school with Bates. Barnett was mentioned several times in Cherry Joe's diary. They had an established relationship. The diary is in police custody. The relationship between Bates and Barnett soured after Bates returned from a visit with her steady boyfriend Dennis. There is another way here at which time Bates informed Barnett that she had accepted Dennis's wedding proposal and that she and Barnett could no longer date. This occurred spelled incorrectly again. About a week before her murder, Barnett and Bates engaged in a very public argument on the RCC campus. Just days before her murder. During the argument, Barnett allegedly slapped Baits. A passer by heard Barnett say, have you changed your mind yet?

19:25 The evening Bates was killed, Barnett was playing basketball with his buddies Bates called him for reasons unknown, and Barnett immediately left the game, saying that bitch is going to the library at about. Nine thirty the night. By the way, the library, Yes, that's where she was killed. By the library. At about nine thirty the night of the murder, a female student passed a man standing in the alley where Bates was to be attacked. Just minutes later, the female student and unknown male said hi. Although they didn't know each other, the stranger was standing in the shadows, and from his vantage point, it was later determined he could have easily watched Sherry Joe's VW bug while she was in the library. Several years later, the female student let's see we got this yes, was shown a photo lineup which contained Barnett's picture. Although she could not identify anyone in the lineup, she had described clothing on the unknown male that matched what Barnett was wearing the night of October thirtieth, nineteen sixty six, at about one thirty am on October.

20:24 And here's the thing. If they had this suspect and they found that that there was a possibility that he's being called out over and over again as a possible suspect for this for him, that means they had their hands on him and could have ruled him out. So it'll be interesting to see where this goes. As far as this information is concerned, it says at about one thirty am on October thirty first, only hours after Bates was murdered, neighbors witnessed two men in the alley area with flashlights. The men appeared to be searching for something, and after fifteen minutes or so, they left the area. The above info led police to believe Barnett had an accomplice. Barnett's best friend was polygraphed and failed. Barnett took a polygraph at the advice of his lawyer.

21:08 At one time. He cooperated first, but then the tough questions were asked and he simply refused to answer. The polygraph examiner finally said get him the f out of here. In spite of promising circumstances, the case against Bob Barnett was at an impasse. Early nineteen nineties, Barnett's former best friend finally admitted after almost thirty years, that he had seen Barnett in the morning of October thirty first, nineteen sixty six. He had accidentally run into Barnett at two thirty am at a restaurant called The Green Turtle. Barnett had asked him for a ride to RCC in order to look for something he had misplaced. To police, Barnett's friend would not admit that he had any knowledge that a crime had occurred spelled incorrectly again. He eventually took a polygraph, which indicated he was truthful, except regarding questions that might implicate himself in Sherry Joe's murder. Well, so if there was a only one person standing there, how could he be implicated in her murder? If all he did was come back to help search for something. So I find that the information to kind of conflict itself right a.

22:11 Little bit, But that doesn't mean he wasn't involved or a witness. And remember them as the way it happened, someone tinkered with her car and so she needed to help, and that offer the guy stepped in, the guy that I think killed her stepped in, and then you know, she never got that ride. They killed her not nearby. Basically, Well, and I'm still kind of I'm still kind of unclear on the ride part, because she left the library at approximately nine thirty she went. There were individuals who walked down that alleyway I guess up to a certain amount of time who said there was nothing there, nobody laying dead, nothing going on, and then she wasn't discovered until really late in the east, which meant that she may have gone somewhere with this individual erhps.

23:05 You know, I mean. Again, getting the information straight is fairly complicated, but it's interesting that this Barnett individual is. One of the first times I'm hearing about it. So I'm wondering if it is something that he's already been cleared of, or if this is the boyfriend that had disappeared for ten years and when he came back, they did his DNA it didn't match, so he was let off from even being a suspect. I have to go back to see who they were talking about on that. He sounds pretty suspicious. Though right well to believe. Barnett's friend would not admit I got I got that okay. Soon another friend of Barnett's came forward and admitted that a sobbing Barnett had claimed early on the morning of October thirty first, nineteen sixty six, that he had snuffed Sherry. This person also passed a polygraph although he had no military affiliation. Barnett's sister worked at Norton Air Force Base at the time of the Baits murder. That could explain the origin of the military shoeprints. So now we're getting evidence that there's military shoeprints at Sherry Drop Bates' crime scene. And I think that's that crossover between Lake Barriyessa and you know, the other military affiliations.

24:14 Did they ever do a handwriting and also subvert it? I don't see that. Let's wait to see. I'm this is new information for me. Let's see soon after blah blah blah. Although he had no military affiliation, by okay, that could explain the origin and the military shoeprints and the watch found at the scene. I'm not sure what the watch has to do with the military affiliation, though. If it is suspect that that watch came from the Swindles murder, swindle was also military. That's my theory that it's a clue to tie it back to the. Swindles, correct, But what would two people be back there with flashlights searching for something if they intended to leave that watch as a clue. It's likely they were looking for that where they were looking for the other half of the handle of the knife. So there was that that yeah, that theory, that half of the Emperor knife.

25:05 And it was purportedly yellow. I mean, Dennis describes this knife as being something consistent that was used in Cherry Joe Bates. So let's see, Barnett's sister is not suspect of being an accomplice. The assumption is that she might have given the shoes and watched to Barnett as a gift. So this is almost making it sound as though this watch is definitely something you would have gotten from the military. Barnett's family members did admit he had to watch. Significance. Whether it was a clue by the zodiac or whether I tie it back to Barnett, the watch has it's as definite clue as to some. Well and tied back to the military at a minimum, because that's not something I had heard up to this point.

25:49 So Barnett military dies too, or dad right? Who? Jerry Jobates, Yes, absolutely, but I believe he was in the Nevada area up here more north towards US. He wasn't down in Riverside, okay. But he was a military related and the note, one of the teaser notes said Bates. Had to die right had she was. Chosen She was picked out for a reason. We don't know that reason, but it might have to do with the military ties. I don't know. Well, there's information in the Son of Sam murders that David Berkowitz said the same thing, I need to kill you or I have to kill you.

26:31 It's it's that same I have to type mentality. Well, Berkowitz is under mind control. So and Berkowitz was just one of the killers instead of Sam. There are several. Killers, and I would think that there was several people they were all under mind control. How else do you group up? Well, they were part of a Satanic cult. Yes, murders, Yes, I think that this. I think the Satanic is no different than the attempt to make the Zodiac and solstices a theory in the Zodiac killings is I really wonder if it's truly a Satanic cult as much as that's what they wanted to be portrayed as well.

27:12 Yeah, I think you're right. The timing of many of the Son are Sam or on what you call a cult or a witchy kind of holidays. Yeah, the person that I'm talking to about the same thing October thirtieth, October thirty, first Halloween. Well, and I talked about the solstices, as they implied. You know, on farms, you followed the Farmer's Almanac that talked about the solstices, right, I mean he planted based on certain time frames. Yeah, so all right, so it says it's let me go back to where I was at. He eventually took a polygraph, which indicated he was truthful. Soon another friend admitted, sobbing blah blah, I lost my place. See, Barnett's sister is not a suspect of being an accomplice. The assumption is that she might have given the shoes and watched to Barnett as a gift. Barnett's family members did admit he had a watch similar to the one recovered at the crime scene, and that they never saw it again after Bates was killed. Well, that's easy. If he didn't wear it anymore, or it broke or like whatever. There's a lot of reasons I don't have the same watch that I've had for you know, you know what I'm saying, like one of the watches I have it, it went down and was gone for a very long time in my life because it didn't have a battery in it.

28:32 Yeah, ten different watches. I don't wear any of them. Right. When Sherry Joe's body was found, two to three strands of hair were recovered from a clot of blood and tissue in her palm of her hand. At the time, technology would only show that the hair, blood and tissue were that of a white male with sandy blonde hair. Barnett is a white male and at the time had sandy blonde hair. Tissue was also recovered from under Sherry Joe's fingernails, but was too decomposed to gather DNA by the time it was attempted in the early nineteen nineties. That seems absolutely insane. How is it too decomposed to gather DNA from it when it would have been collected at the autopsy and been at its freshest.

29:19 Yeah, why wouldn't you do that? There was a struggle, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, And there's that clearly these items were found during autopsy, not you know, weeks later. The end of this is during December of nineteen ninety eight, information was developed that Barnett was returning. Oh this is him. He's been cleared by DNA, so we just went through all of this for as So he already knows this stuff, but still reports this information, which only causes confusions and leads to multiple theories instead of pointing towards the direction of one good, solid person. So December. During December of nineteen ninety eight, information was developed that Barnett was returning to the Riverside area for Christmas. With the the latest incriminating information spilled incorrectly, RPD managed to get I can't help it, it's big red. But RPD managed to get a warrant and met Barnett upon his rival at the Ontario Airport. RPD took skin, saliva, hair, and other samples from Barnett, which were then sent for DNA analysis to the FBI laboratory in Quantago, Virginia. Barnett was described as having displayed a passive what took you so long? Type attitude with detectives. The DNA results are due in December, so let me see if he confirms this.

30:33 But I know that he was excluded from DNA, so this entire excerpt being on his page was for naught, like get rid of it. It was. Well, just because he wasn't the perpetrator doesn't mean he wasn't involved. She obviously had trust for whoever killed her. She spent time with the person. She thought that person was going to help her with her car. But isn't that an. A female thing. I mean, my car's broken, I can't get home. I would take somebody's help. And in those days it wasn't so scary. Right, Yeah, mid sixties. People were a lot more open minded. Back then, right, so it says.

31:14 While the current review of the Riverside Police Department is that Scherry Joe Bates was murdered by a suspect they have identified but cannot yet convict due to lack of evidence, recent information I have received suggests the possibility that Bates was an early victim of the Zodiac killer number one. In May of nineteen ninety nine, one of the original Riverside investigators confirmed during our conversation that the footprints found near Scherry Joe's body were identified as being made by wing walkers, the same type of shoes Zodiac wore almost three years later when he killed at Lake Barriessa. An FBI document I have obtained confirmed Scherry Joe's killer did not did call the police after the murder, a habit that Zodiac was known for. Note the Riverside Police Department have never confirmed that a call was placed to them, as was written in an anonymous confession to the police and local newspaper in late November nineteen sixty six.

32:04 Additionally, he sent a letter to her dad. We're correct that was one of three. So there was the confession letter that was carbon copied, and that was done on the teletype paper. Jack owned a teletype machine and could be seen fixing it in a picture that Dennis had in nineteen sixty two, so we know that he was into the teletype machine. Hand radio immediate information is what he was into. Jackson technology. It tried to come off as a good old boy, but he was hipped to a lot of technology and. He was. For IBM at one point. Right. I don't know if he was an engineer, but you could see that he was giving HTML code and discussing the issues and problems, and I think that's why while he was at Aristona or Arizona Arizona State University, as a as.

32:55 A security officer. Yeah. No, he's never been a janitor. But as a security officer he would have access to places in the university that nobody else would have. Right, and Arizona University at the time Jack was there had been cataloging and storing the different versions of anthrax strains, including names. Wow. Yeah, security officers are always suspects. Not by Bart Baggott's words. When I told him that Jack was a security guard, because that was all the information I had after a single conversation with Dennis, he said, no, he's too low level. There's no possibility he could have been the Zodiac. The Zodiac was intelligent, he had training, and now look, we are past the point of finding out that Jack is that intelligent building water waste removal systems for nuclear power plants, for general electric in the San Jose area. To the military training that he had, the marksmanship, the hunting, the hunting abilities, the type of guns that were used, like he had everything.

34:00 So it says yes he did. And he carried ropes in the trunk of his car that were cut to three foot three foot pieces. Who does this? The ties that vine or hog tie word, it says Additionally, I've yet to find cooboration that the crime scene footprints were wingwalkers, So then why state it? Why state in May of nineteen ninety nine one of the original Riverside investigators confirmed during our conversation, and then to turn around and say, I've not. Got coroboration for it. That is your coroboration. Yeah, it's like. You're back and forth and can't like deliver I don't know the information, all right.

34:44 So this press release letter we have already discussed, so I'm not going to read this again, but this is basically where the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department is. So nineteen seventy two press release from Santa Barbara. Oh yeah, so this is where the Edwards in Domingo's case was tied in. And what this has to say here is since July of nineteen seventy one, Arthur Lee Allen has been the focal point of the Zodiac case as maybe since nineteen seventy one for a few years, but he was cleared at some point by everything. And I want to say he died in early ninety ninety one. I again have to go back and look, but definitely by the time he died with a letter in his hands saying I'm not the Zodiac. You know for sure he's not the Zodiac, because if it were the Zodiac, you guys, when he died, he would have had a big ha ha ha ha.

35:37 You never got me on that communication. I mean, we still believe he knew Jack. Yeah, oh yeah, he flew. He evidently piloted small planes. There's been talk about him having flown down to the Riverside area. We know Jack talked about having taking flying lessons with a friend and that he knew Arthur Lee Allen from him giving him a ride home from Lake Barriessa. So there's lots of connectivity there, yea. It says Art Lee Allen has been a focal point of the Zodiac case. Impossible to eliminate as a suspect. Can you believe this? Nineteen ninety eight impossible? And I'm saying nineteen ninety eight eliminated.

36:20 He had been eliminated up to that point on every level, and by two thousand at least, or two thousand and two at least, he had been excluded by Harry Phillips in twenty on twenty in their DNA attempt to match to eight different suspects, which I believe also included Lawrence Kine and some of these other false suspects that have been portrayed, or that Voight has claimed to be this all out investigator and making money off the information that he's putting on here when it's false information. In the Zodiac movie, it was very accurate in its portrayal of the crimes, but again it concludes that it's uh.

37:03 You means very accurate in the assumption of law enforcement as to how the crimes happened. Nobody was there to really describe. Right, Yeah, well Heart was there at the one. Right, but cowerd down in the freaking seat, right. Like that's a I'm sorry Heartnell. Yes, yeah, I'm sure that that problem became a lawyer inside, I know, and and who didn't answer you when we wanted him to listen to voice on audio. He would not get back to me. I know. So do you really want to know who attempted to kill you? Killed your girlfriend, killed many others? As an attorney, I would want to know the truth. I mean, isn't that why you get into law?

37:54 Some people have different mosa so it's impossible, not truth injustice, but for most of them was about money. Yeah. Money. They don't even want to step into trial. They just want to settle out of court. But after they've extinguished all of their clients' monies, impossible to eliminate as a suspect. Alan has been the focus of books, newspaper articles, and television segments, not to mention the target of a huge investigation that for over two decades aimed at convicting him. Oh good lord. Briefly questioned by the Valeo Police Department on October sixth in nineteen sixty nine, Allen was dismissed as a suspect by Sergeant John Lynch, only to re emerge less than two years later, and for a good reason. For the first time, I have published several of the reports detailing the facts surrounding this fascinating suspect. I have blacked out the names address, so now he's redacting crap.

38:50 Yeah, But also it's weird, very similar to the unifarmber. It was his sister in law and brother that ratted him out. Family seems to be keen on getting in on the action, huh. And is these old friends that were like small level crooks also ratted him out? But they didn't know he did it. They just you know, they're just trying to get publicity exactly there, there you. Go involved, But he wasn't Zodiac. Let's see for the first time, I have published several of the reports detailing the facts surrounding this fascinating suspect. Fascinating, just fascinating.

39:33 Man's already dead with a letter in his hands saying I'm not the Zodiac. I've blacked out the names, addresses, of phone numbers of individuals also detailed in these reports. These individuals are. Informants, friends, family members, or witnesses, and their privacy is imperative. While I won't divulge where I obtained these documents, of course not, I will acknowledge the outstanding detective work of the following officers who developed so much valuable background information on Arthur Lee Allen. Oh, it just makes my head hurt. Also information out there that kind of links him with some of the Santa Rosa murders, the young girl, the hitchhikers. I've seen what Arthur Lee Allen looked like in nineteen sixty nine, nineteen sixty eight, and if you've looked at those pictures, he was big and round faced it and no hair, like he already looked like he was going to look for the rest of his adult life. So I'm pretty sure that the officer who gave the composite description would have come up with some very very different attributes.

40:38 And none of that composite looks like Arthur Lee Allen. Nothing like Arthur. Let's see. Well, one thing about him too. He was a diver. They said, like walking doing this, and that he couldn't dance, blah blah blah, not record. But when you have a diving board, he said, he was really good. You mean, what do you mean dive like like diving off the diver into the. Pool, okay, diving from the high dive. So and I always here's the funny part, because he had the Zodiac diver's watch. I attribute that to diving. And the reason why I was created is that. You could dive. Yeah, Cuba dies. So this whole time I thought he was a scuba diver.

41:21 He may have gotten that too, but but he was the actual diver off a high dive and like competition and whatnot. Okay, so I've had my diver all wrong. And he was a hunter. They found a lot of knives and like hides and small animals and squirrels and in his freezer and whatnot he hunted. He was like, he killed a lot of small animals. Maybe he liked squirrel ives. And and and they did find some explosive materials in his basement. No, it was underneath his house. Well, here's the thing. We can't never tell the truth because we're looking at the media. Who's portraying this for us?

42:05 My recollection, so he knows. Right, And my recollection was that the pipe bombs that were found were found underneath this house. And he claimed that a friend had hidden them there, but he was unaware of what they were, that they were even there. And I tend to believe him because I promise you, if somebody tells me, can I hide a bomb on your house, I'm just like. No, no, no. And if I had ever stumbled across them, I'm sure I would be making sure to have them removed, because again, no, there's not going to be. So here's a here's a letter from Robert Graysmith. So here's this whole thing going on, and it's to Tom.

42:53 Dear Tom. I enjoyed our conversation on the phone, and once more, I want to thank you for your guidance during my research on unibom, a desire to kill and to introducing me to the Internet, and the vast amount of terrific information and theories there. Wow, where was this guy? I thought he was? Didn't he work for the newspaper Grace, Yeah he was. How was it that he didn't know about the Internet? And Tom opened up his eyes all right. Writing the book on zodiacs? Yeah, come on, Uh, I don't have a date on this, so I'm not sure when this was actually written. But a desire to kill and to introduce me to the Internet. I haven't closed some things from my forthcoming sequel to the Zodiac Zodiac un masks, So yes, this is clearly after Tom Voyd already has his website both it looks like which will include the pal Oh no, no, no no.

43:47 What I read is unmasked. It's an update of the original Grace with book. And when was that one? Like nineteen nineties? I forget that, Yeah, late nineties, I think. Yeah, So Zodiac on Mass which will include the thousands of things I've learned since the book was published back in nineteen eighty six. What I've dug up for you or some of the search warrants served on Star. So Star was this supposedly. I don't know how Star gets into the mix, other than I was at one point in time sent this greeting card or the part a portion of the Halloween greeting card that was never shown to anybody, And it looked like it had a J tar because the j is formed just like the Zodiac does his jas. But the way it's positioned next to the tar, it looks like it says Star. So this whole theory about Star goes about.

44:41 Yeah, J tar, it's jtar. If it is true, if it is real, this was found in the Hallow on a flap on the inside of the Halloween card, never shown to the public. This could be the only way they came up with. The Star suspect, as far as I'm concerned, because I was being led to believe that it was a legitimate, then I was concerned that if I found it to be legitimate, I could have been being canned because it was made up. But then in Zodiac on mass he heavily talked about this Star character. So Star came from somewhere, and likely maybe even from the Hollywood cart or the Halloween card itself. I always found that curious about the book because the first couple of chapters about this k Star guy, but I think Kennastar, which is actually the name of like a prosecutor one of these political things, but anyway, or special council anyway. But eventually it comes around to basically say, the Star guy is Arthur le Ellen. Why why are you calling him star right? Why why not just off the bat, just say this is who it is. It's like a fiction. In the first couple of chapters, it's weird.

45:51 Oh so you're saying that that's the the fictional name Gray Smith gave him. So how do how do you write a book as if you're the the ultimate uh. Uh course, yeah, authority for the zodiac case, but use fictional characters and fictional information. Yeah. The first couple chapters are about this star guy and who the fuck is he? Excuse my language, you know, and then later it comes around to reveal that the stars actually are through Leon. I almost want to do some graphology on Robert Graysmith's signature here, because not only does he cross himself out, which is a way to eighty six yourself. He has a cover over the entire top of his name, as if to hide things. He has a whole lot of inner workings in his lowercase O, which it when you see these type of movements, they tend to indicate that you're not an honest person. He strikes backwards to the left and then back to the right, but either way he's crossing himself out in whole, and he clearly has no like he's not liking. I mean, I think that most of those in hollyweird that use that single name reference they think they're superior to everybody else, so like when they use just prints or he was.

47:16 A cartoonist, so he had skills with a pen, and that's very weird looking hanwriting it looks like you know, the scribble basically. Yeah, well it kind of is. But some of the attributes that are being had there. I just talked about the long tee bar in another client. In another case I was doing for forensics, but I was discussing this long tee bar that floated across the entire name to my graphology mentor, and she indicated that they're basically undercover, right, They're they're covering themselves up and he's covered himself up all the way across the middle zone, so you know that it's him, not everything he does. In general. He's not covering up his thoughts by any means, because all of those upper extenders are above the cover. But the cover being just above that middle zone means he's covering himself up for some reason. And then, like I said, signing with a singular name, he doesn't want anybody to either know who he is because it's not clear communication.

48:11 You can't tell from that that it's Robert. You could assume because it's R O B R. And then you see the crossbar that's supposed to mean it's a T. Right. I guess I'd like to see other virtues of. Right? Was this from Vot's website? This letter? Yes, yes, yeah, I don't know. He says, what I've dug up for you are some of the search weren't served on Star by the police. They will be part of zodiac un mass this way. And so why is he calling him Star in the middle of a letter if he's gonna then turn around and and state that that's our the Arthur Lee Allen.

48:58 This book will include hundreds of photos or at least as many as we have for room for new maps and drawings. I've taken some time to on this, but I want to do America's post amazing case justice. I will use some of the five hundred pages we did not use in the original Zodiac. I've also sent along some of the drawings I did for the bell Tower. They are eleven inches by seventeen inches, so I don't know it. You can scan them into your web page. You're welcome to do so and reproduce this letter as well. Most of the boxes of zodiac letters, votas and drawings are in a warehouse or on loan, so I hope xeroxes are all right for your purposes if I can get it to you. I will send along some of the hand printing Star did in his trailer back in the nineteen seventies. I have originals to these. Please credit these to my forthcoming book Best Robert. So maybe he's calling him Star in this letter because he's going to write the book about him being Star and he wants it to coincide. I have no idea. Very very strange. Anyways, we are definitely our last.

49:56 Curious about that. Why you introduced the star character for you. Right, Well, that's all we have for today, Nolan. We are at our limit, and so I hope everybody has a wonderful weekend. Thank you for being here. We're going to pick back up next week on this conversation obviously and continue with the information from. Tom Floyd's website. Awesome. Thank you everybody. Take