May 8, 2026

Who is Tom Voigt???

Who is Tom Voigt???
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How exactly does any one person end up owning the rights to images, news reels, pictures, audio, and a money-making website in the guise of a donation or sales? All inquiries about the Zodiac Killer from media or news is deferred to him as well even though many of his suspects are false. He is a consultant for Hollyweird, and purported know it all. Let’s see what is or isn’t as it is portrayed on his website circa 1998-2003 before it is completely stripped, erased, and shut down from AOL.

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Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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We are entering in to some very interesting information based

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on a YouTube response that I received. This last week,

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I had a message from someone named Sean Weston. I'm

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not exactly sure how he knows Dennis or some of

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the information that I'm about to share with you, but

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I found a lot of it to be extremely interesting

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because I had recently been contacted and asked to look

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at the Son of Sam letters to determine if there

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was more than one author. I haven't got all the

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files together just yet on that, nor the handwriting for

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David Berkowitz in order to do the examination, but it

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does look like it's something I'm going to entertain there.

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Back and forth obviously all the time between he was

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the only person and then there was a group and

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I think one of the journalists that had investigated I

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wish Nolan was here right now, he'd know who I'm

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talking about.

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I feel like his name was like Moury or something

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like that.

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But they did a docuc on him and he had

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covered the Son of Sam murders and indicated that there

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were people who were actively videotaping in another vehicle that

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the murder that was going down, so as if to

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say that they were snuff films that were being sold

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to individuals. So this kind of theory or lineup of

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thinking is kind of down the same avenue as where

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I'm going. But I want to read his response to you.

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So Sean says Zodiac isn't a man, it's a CIA psych.

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Se Siop didn't Dennis ever mention having met Larry Kine,

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Gary Post and members of the Post's posse. So now

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he's interjecting the Post crew, which we looked at Gary

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Post as a possibility for the Zodiac, but we can

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definitely tell he's not the Zodiac. He doesn't even wear glasses,

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and in every picture I've ever seen him in I've

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not seen him wear glasses, but as part of a

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group or a crew that fits right on into some

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of the theories that we have that Zodiac did not alone.

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And there's a possibility that he has written or authored

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communications in other cases where he may or may not

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have been the killer as well. So that's why we

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follow Jack Terrence's footsteps for the proximity and the evidence

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to see if it fits in with training that we

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know he has and his capabilities. But he goes on

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to say they create as much hysteria as possible and

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sell the actual murder videos for half a million dollars. Also,

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Detroit's top writer and photographer were heavily involved in the

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child trafficking and photographing. No one was ever going to

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be arrested for any of this. Chuck knew his dad

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was one of the Zodiacs because his older brother had

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told him. I want to at least speak briefly on that.

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I'm guessing when he says older in all caps is Dennis,

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because Dennis is the only brother to my knowledge that

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Chuck has, So why he didn't just say Dennis told him,

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I'm not sure. Maybe there's something else he's alluding to

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again that I'm not aware of. He says Jack and Larry,

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So Larry came. Jack and Larry were trading kids for

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drugs through a laundry company where they would meet in

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Illinois and trade identical laundry trucks, one full of drugs

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and one full of kids. The Cotton, Minnesota laundry was

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servicing the Detroit suburb of Birmingham. That's a long way

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to go for towels. The only reason the son of

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Sam was caught is because there was too much info

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and speculation coming out. Someone had to take one for

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the team. So on a backup here to the laundry

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truck thing, we know that in seventy five, Jack moved

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the entire family from South Lake Tahoe, where him and Nora,

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Dennis's mother were both working at the South Lake Tahoe

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Linen company, to Cotton, Minnesota. And I just kind of

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assumed that the proximity there to the Oakland County child

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birders were because Dennis's father, Nora's ex husband, and fam

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all lived in the Michigan area and it was.

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About a twelve hour drive.

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However, at the same time, Dennis would mention that Jack

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would go. He calls it missing. Maybe he didn't know

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that he was working. I have no clue, but he

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would pick up and take off and be gone for

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weeks at a time, claiming to have been hunting. Which

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is interesting when you throw that scenario of the Zodiac

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killer who was hunting game, which was people into that

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philosophy of Jack has always gone and missing and out

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hunting to feed the family, but didn't come home with

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anything to feed the family.

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So when we picked back up in.

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Cotton, Minnesota and there is a laundry company there as well,

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and this gentleman is mentioning that this laundry service was

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actually servicing Detroit, Michigan, it kind of throws a whole

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another thought process there for me to consider in regards

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to what Jack might be doing, because again, like I said,

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he was purportedly on a disability and not making any money,

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not getting his disability service pay at this time because

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he was fighting for it in court. And how he

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could pick the entire family up and just move to

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another state without any type of resources. So we're going

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to be looking into that a little bit and see

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how it plays into the Son of Sam. And my

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response basically at this point in regards to the group

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effort that this gentleman is talking about, is that I'm

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going to say, Dennis has never met mentioned to me

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that he had ever met Larry Kane or Gary Post

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or members of the Post posse. He had never never

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insinuated that there was any type of group involvement. He

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was serious and solid on the fact that his father

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perpetrated the Zodiac killings.

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The handwriting suggests that he did so.

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The only knowledge that I have of a group involvement

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that came from Dennis was that.

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He he.

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Stated that at the wake or the service for Jack,

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that men in black suits showed up, grabbed Jack's urn,

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got into their vehicle, left and was gone for a

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week with it, returned it with nothing said to anybody,

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no questions asked, no speaking to anybody, kind of like

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one of those men in black show up, get what

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they want out the door.

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But the dropping back off of.

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The urn was also interesting as well, So maybe what

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they wanted to do is test and make sure what

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was in fact Jack. The other group involvement that he

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discussed is that at one point in time, while we

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were at the end of the investigation and I say end,

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because it never really ended with the FBI. Is that

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Dennis had received a phone call indicating that there were

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individuals who wanted to meet him in South Lake Tahoe.

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He was very excited.

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He thought this was maybe somebody wanting to sit down

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and discuss the solving of this case or the closing

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of this case. And when he got there, he said

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he was met once again with men in black and they,

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as much as he would tell me about it, is

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that they stated, as long as he stuck just to

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the Zodiac, he wouldn't have any problems. But if he

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had actively climbed outside of the zodiac killings, that that's

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when there would be some type of problem, almost as

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if to insinuate he shouldn't investigate any further. Good morning, Nolan,

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Good morning in the world, the world. Yes, you guys,

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did you catch that on this little YouTube comment a little.

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Bit I've heard before about you stick to the Zodiac.

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You're not gonna have too many problems. If you go

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beyond that, there might be issues.

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No, the actual post from this gentleman that pulled up,

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I think they sent it to you.

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I think I sent it to you by text.

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When he came in.

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Yes, so yeah, we don't disagree. No, no, yeah, And

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I just I just finished reading it and kind of

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giving my response to it. If you still don't have

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that on your text, I'll let you know. But he's

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basically saying that there was And this is the one

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The part that really got me is that he talks

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about the Cotton Minnesota laundry company which service this Detroit

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suburb of Birmingham. So remember that Jack moved to Cotton,

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Minnesota in nineteen seventy five for some unknown reason, drug

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the entire family out there, and then we have the

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Oakland County child murders.

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Wow.

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So this guy stating that the Cotton Minnesota laundry was

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actually servicing the Detroit suburb of Birmingham.

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So that's what would.

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Give Jack once again, aside from Dennis's family that lived

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in Detroit proximity to that area and the murders that

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were occurring.

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So it's another laundry connection. Did he work for some

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sort of laundry TI facility?

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Yeah, he worked for South Lynn and South Lake Tago

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Linning company.

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And of course we have some cases in the San

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Francisco area where folded up laundry was left leaving the

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scene of the crime, as if it was trails of

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breadcrumbs that the suspect had left after killing somebody that

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tied in that.

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Whole laundry thing.

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So yeah, some craziness. Well, we are back to Tom

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Boyd today and his website. So this was his main

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page of course, and he talks about television and America's

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Most Wanted Fox News Portland, Oregon, San Francisco, California, Sacramento, California,

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the Learning Channel's Case Reopened, the History Channel's Perfect Crimes.

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He has radio with Howard Stern Show. And the magazines

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and newspapers that he touts are Manhunter Magazine, the Napa

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Valley Registered wo Go Napa. I used to deliver that paper,

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the Baleto Times Herald, the Benetia Harald, the Backaville Reporter,

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and the Contra Costic Times. I'm a little boggled by

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the fact that he doesn't actually talk about the Examiner

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or the Chronicle from San Francisco or the La Times,

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or like, where are these other places that the Zodiac

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was known to write to in.

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This mix or riverside that as well.

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So he's got his site index which includes the main page,

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the victims, the suspect, the news center, the Arthur Lee

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Allen file. Now, mind you, I want to say that

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this was circa in nineteen ninety eight on this particular website,

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and he didn't actually tear it down fully until about

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somewhere between two thousand and three and two thousand and five.

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Needless to say, we know that in two thousand, two

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thousand and one, somewhere around there, twenty on twenty did

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the DNA test which double confirmed that the DNA did

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not match Arthur Lee Allen. He was cleared from DNA

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even before that, handwriting multiple searches on multiple properties, they

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didn't find anything that led lended to him actively of

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having been the Zodiac, nor did he match the composite.

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So his about Zodiac killer dot Com, it says online

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since September nineteen ninety eight, Zodiac killer dot Com is

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an extremely high profile website, generating an average of one

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hundred and twenty five thousand hits each month at left

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or several media outlets that have featured Zodiac Killer dot

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Com in some capacity advertising now offered. So I mean

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he's making a full blown business out of this. Zodiac

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Killer dot com is now making space available for your

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advertising needs. Banner ads may be purchased for the following

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pages main page, News center page, Zodiac Killerlinks page. Pricing

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banners are available in two sizes, small and large. Small

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equals one hundred and twenty five by seventy five pixels.

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Large equals three hundred and twenty five by one hundred

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and twenty five pixels. If necessary, accommodations can be made

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if your banner does not fit these requirements. Small banner

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is fifteen dollars per per day, Like, I wonder, yeah,

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how how long people would actively run it?

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Ten dollars a car.

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Payment, especially in nineteen ninety eight, that's I think more

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than a car payment. Yeah, ten dollars per day on

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the news center page and five dollars per day on

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the Zodiac Killers Links page. The large banner is twenty

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dollars per page on the main page, so it just

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goes up from there. Fifteen dollars per day on the

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news center page. So yeah, he was He's making money

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off of something while he's also being given all of

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the rights to videos and news footage and pictures and

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even original color scans of documents of the Zodiacs, which

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is unexplainable. You know, how is it that you come

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across this when this is supposed to be evidence in

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an unsolved murder case. And anybody else in the public,

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if they go to ask about this case, they're literally

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told it's still under investigation.

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We can't tell you anything except for Tom Voy.

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Yeah.

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So we see a picture here. It looks like Dave Tashi. Yeah, yeah, Tashi.

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Signed for him Mary Xmas, just like the Zodiac wrote

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to him. And this actually says picture at the left

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is former sfpdoff homicide inspector Dave Toshi from December nineteen

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sixty nine. Tashi signed the photo for me in San

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Francisco on twelve, twenty ninety eight, the thirtieth anniversary of

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Zodiac's first known murders. First known murders. So here even

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at this time, even after knowing because the FOIA files

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end in nineteen ninety one, and I found in the

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FOIA files that Riverside had indicated and joined up with

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San Francisco on the investigation of the Zodiac because they

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believed Sherry Joe Bates was also killed by the Zodiac.

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So that would make the earliest murder right not the

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twelve twenty ninety eight.

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I think the earliest were the San Diego and Galida ones.

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Well, but those were those weren't hadn't officially been tied

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in yet, they're not.

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Yeah, they're just it's speculated that the Yeah, but the

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words that you could actually tied the Zodiac is sure

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Joe Bates, Yes, but aside, Yeah, the movie Bullet, it's

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filming the Bay Area, San Francisco. Main lead Steve McQueen's

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a detective. He actually uses Tashi's revolver as a prop

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in that movie.

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Oh interesting, Yeah, and.

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It's about an assassin blah blah blah, political YadA YadA.

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And and why why you can get a gun anywhere?

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Why are you using the main investigator in Zodiac? I

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think it's it's just a little wrinkle they put in there.

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Yes, add allure, you know, allure or a little bit

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of truth and reality?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, and who and who knows that? How did you

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find that out?

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Was that something that was said in the movie or

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is that something you were totally I.

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Think it was in the book by Homeboy, the main

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book smith. Yeah.

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Yeah, Well, this goes on to say during our twenty

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minute conversation, Tossi Tashi was noticeably somber as he reflected

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on the unfortunate victims.

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And the maniac just out of his reach.

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Somber he says, But he also accuses this man of

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having forged letters.

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Yes, at some point, so, uh, what's the weirdest thing?

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Ever? Why would the lead uh detective forge a zodiac letter?

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It makes sense to make himself look better, you know,

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because you know this guy's tricky. I can't can't catch him,

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and he was.

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I think he was found to be writing letters about himself,

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trying to get publicity or some action from the media.

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But he didn't proclaim to have been the Zodiac in

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those there was something that I remembered reading about it.

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I would have to go back again.

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However, I find that the two zodiac letters that they

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are attempting to state, one is actually found in the

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FOYA files that indicates that it was not a legitimate.

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But then you're back and forth between the document examiners

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of that time, some saying it is the only one

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that I know of that said it wasn't worked for

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the post office and the government, So that would be

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the least one that I would trust as we know,

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government examiners don't tend to be very good at this job.

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I see something up here in the right hand corner,

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and it's a URL. I don't know what I was

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able to find in regards to it, but it says

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Bates DNA HTML. So if I could link back and

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figure out what this URL went to and what he's

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talking about the DNA, maybe that's this actual clip here

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where it says Sherry Joe Bates was murdered the night

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of October thirtieth, nineteen sixty six. The attack occurred spelled incorrectly,

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on the campus of Riverside City College and Riverside Bob Barnett,

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not his real name, was developed as a suspect within

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about Okay, this is the Bob Barnett's stuff, within about

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two years of Sherry Joe's murder, initially based on the

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testimony of an informant who claimed Barnett had bragged about

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the killing. You know what's even more insane is Barnett

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is Jack's mother's maiden name.

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Interesting, I know.

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So let's see, this informant was in jail when he

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came forward with the incriminating information about Barnett, but passed

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a polygraph examination. His story has remained consistent. Like Bates,

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Barnett was a student at RCC during the fall of

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nineteen sixty six. In fact, Barnett and Bates dated in

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the weeks prior to her death. Barnett had also attended

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either high school or grade school with Bates. Barnett was

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mentioned several times in Cherry Joe's diary. They had an

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established relationship. The diary is in police custody. The relationship

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between Bates and Barnett soured after Bates returned from a

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visit with her steady boyfriend Dennis. There is another way

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here at which time Bates informed Barnett that she had

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accepted Dennis's wedding proposal and that she and Barnett could

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no longer date. This occurred spelled incorrectly again. About a

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week before her murder, Barnett and Bates engaged in a

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very public argument on the RCC campus. Just days before

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her murder. During the argument, Barnett allegedly slapped Baits. A

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passer by heard Barnett say, have you changed your mind yet?

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The evening Bates was killed, Barnett was playing basketball with

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his buddies Bates called him for reasons unknown, and Barnett

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immediately left the game, saying that bitch is going to

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the library at about.

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Nine thirty the night. By the way, the library, Yes,

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that's where she was killed.

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By the library.

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At about nine thirty the night of the murder, a

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female student passed a man standing in the alley where

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Bates was to be attacked. Just minutes later, the female

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student and unknown male said hi. Although they didn't know

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each other, the stranger was standing in the shadows, and

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from his vantage point, it was later determined he could

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have easily watched Sherry Joe's VW bug while she was

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in the library. Several years later, the female student let's

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see we got this yes, was shown a photo lineup

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which contained Barnett's picture. Although she could not identify anyone

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in the lineup, she had described clothing on the unknown

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male that matched what Barnett was wearing the night of

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October thirtieth, nineteen sixty six, at about one thirty am

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on October.

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And here's the thing.

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If they had this suspect and they found that that

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there was a possibility that he's being called out over

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and over again as a possible suspect for this for him,

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that means they had their hands on him and could

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have ruled him out. So it'll be interesting to see

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where this goes. As far as this information is concerned,

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it says at about one thirty am on October thirty first,

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only hours after Bates was murdered, neighbors witnessed two men

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in the alley area with flashlights. The men appeared to

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be searching for something, and after fifteen minutes or so,

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they left the area. The above info led police to

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believe Barnett had an accomplice. Barnett's best friend was polygraphed

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and failed. Barnett took a polygraph at the advice of

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his lawyer.

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At one time.

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He cooperated first, but then the tough questions were asked

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and he simply refused to answer. The polygraph examiner finally

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said get him the f out of here. In spite

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of promising circumstances, the case against Bob Barnett was at

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an impasse. Early nineteen nineties, Barnett's former best friend finally

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admitted after almost thirty years, that he had seen Barnett

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in the morning of October thirty first, nineteen sixty six.

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He had accidentally run into Barnett at two thirty am

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at a restaurant called The Green Turtle. Barnett had asked

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him for a ride to RCC in order to look

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for something he had misplaced. To police, Barnett's friend would

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not admit that he had any knowledge that a crime

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had occurred spelled incorrectly again. He eventually took a polygraph,

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which indicated he was truthful, except regarding questions that might

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implicate himself in Sherry Joe's murder. Well, so if there

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was a only one person standing there, how could he

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be implicated in her murder? If all he did was

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come back to help search for something. So I find

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that the information to kind of conflict itself right a.

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Little bit, But that doesn't mean he wasn't involved or

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a witness. And remember them as the way it happened,

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someone tinkered with her car and so she needed to help,

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and that offer the guy stepped in, the guy that

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I think killed her stepped in, and then you know,

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she never got that ride. They killed her not nearby.

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Basically, Well, and I'm still kind of I'm still kind

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of unclear on the ride part, because she left the

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library at approximately nine thirty she went. There were individuals

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who walked down that alleyway I guess up to a

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certain amount of time who said there was nothing there,

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nobody laying dead, nothing going on, and then she wasn't

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discovered until really late in the east, which meant that

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she may have gone somewhere with this individual erhps.

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You know, I mean.

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Again, getting the information straight is fairly complicated, but it's

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interesting that this Barnett individual is.

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One of the first times I'm hearing about it.

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So I'm wondering if it is something that he's already

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been cleared of, or if this is the boyfriend that

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had disappeared for ten years and when he came back,

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they did his DNA it didn't match, so he was

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let off from even being a suspect.

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I have to go back to see who they were

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talking about on that.

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He sounds pretty suspicious.

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Though right well to believe. Barnett's friend would not admit

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I got I got that okay. Soon another friend of

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Barnett's came forward and admitted that a sobbing Barnett had

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claimed early on the morning of October thirty first, nineteen

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sixty six, that he had snuffed Sherry. This person also

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passed a polygraph although he had no military affiliation. Barnett's

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sister worked at Norton Air Force Base at the time

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of the Baits murder. That could explain the origin of

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the military shoeprints. So now we're getting evidence that there's

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military shoeprints at Sherry Drop Bates' crime scene. And I

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think that's that crossover between Lake Barriyessa and you know,

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the other military affiliations.

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Did they ever do a handwriting and also subvert it?

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I don't see that. Let's wait to see. I'm this

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is new information for me. Let's see soon after blah

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blah blah. Although he had no military affiliation, by okay,

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that could explain the origin and the military shoeprints and

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the watch found at the scene. I'm not sure what

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the watch has to do with the military affiliation, though.

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If it is suspect that that watch came from the

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Swindles murder, swindle was also military.

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That's my theory that it's a clue to tie it

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back to the.

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Swindles, correct, But what would two people be back there

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with flashlights searching for something if they intended to leave

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that watch as a clue. It's likely they were looking

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for that where they were looking for the other half

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of the handle of the knife. So there was that

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that yeah, that theory, that half of the Emperor knife.

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And it was purportedly yellow.

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I mean, Dennis describes this knife as being something consistent

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that was used in Cherry Joe Bates. So let's see,

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Barnett's sister is not suspect of being an accomplice. The

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assumption is that she might have given the shoes and

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watched to Barnett as a gift. So this is almost

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making it sound as though this watch is definitely something

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you would have gotten from the military.

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Barnett's family members did admit he had to watch.

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Significance. Whether it was a clue by the zodiac or

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whether I tie it back to Barnett, the watch has

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it's as definite clue as to some.

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Well and tied back to the military at a minimum,

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because that's not something I had heard up to this point.

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So Barnett military dies too, or dad right?

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Who?

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Jerry Jobates, Yes, absolutely, but I believe he was in

469
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:01.680
the Nevada area up here more north towards US.

470
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.079
He wasn't down in Riverside, okay.

471
00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:08.720
But he was a military related and the note, one

472
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:11.799
of the teaser notes said Bates.

473
00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:16.039
Had to die right had she was.

474
00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:19.000
Chosen She was picked out for a reason. We don't

475
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:20.759
know that reason, but it might have to do with

476
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:23.000
the military ties. I don't know.

477
00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:26.720
Well, there's information in the Son of Sam murders that

478
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.119
David Berkowitz said the same thing, I need to kill

479
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:31.200
you or I have to kill you.

480
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:35.240
It's it's that same I have to type mentality.

481
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:39.599
Well, Berkowitz is under mind control. So and Berkowitz was

482
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:42.000
just one of the killers instead of Sam. There are several.

483
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:45.480
Killers, and I would think that there was several people

484
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:47.519
they were all under mind control.

485
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:48.799
How else do you group up?

486
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.039
Well, they were part of a Satanic cult.

487
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:55.759
Yes, murders, Yes, I think that this.

488
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:58.799
I think the Satanic is no different than the attempt

489
00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:03.440
to make the Zodiac and solstices a theory in the

490
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:08.039
Zodiac killings is I really wonder if it's truly a

491
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:10.720
Satanic cult as much as that's what they wanted to

492
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:12.640
be portrayed as well.

493
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:16.000
Yeah, I think you're right. The timing of many of

494
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.160
the Son are Sam or on what you call a

495
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.400
cult or a witchy kind of holidays.

496
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:26.039
Yeah, the person that I'm talking to about the same

497
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:30.559
thing October thirtieth, October thirty, first Halloween. Well, and I

498
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.599
talked about the solstices, as they implied. You know, on farms,

499
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:39.319
you followed the Farmer's Almanac that talked about the solstices, right,

500
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:44.039
I mean he planted based on certain time frames. Yeah,

501
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.200
so all right, so it says it's let me go

502
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.119
back to where I was at. He eventually took a polygraph,

503
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.279
which indicated he was truthful. Soon another friend admitted, sobbing

504
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:01.480
blah blah, I lost my place. See, Barnett's sister is

505
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:04.079
not a suspect of being an accomplice. The assumption is

506
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:05.720
that she might have given the shoes and watched to

507
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.799
Barnett as a gift. Barnett's family members did admit he

508
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.480
had a watch similar to the one recovered at the

509
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.960
crime scene, and that they never saw it again after

510
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:17.119
Bates was killed. Well, that's easy. If he didn't wear

511
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:20.680
it anymore, or it broke or like whatever. There's a

512
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:23.160
lot of reasons I don't have the same watch that

513
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:25.039
I've had for you know, you know what I'm saying,

514
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.480
like one of the watches I have it, it went

515
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:29.319
down and was gone for a very long time in

516
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:30.880
my life because it didn't have a battery in it.

517
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.000
Yeah, ten different watches. I don't wear any of them.

518
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:35.759
Right.

519
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:41.039
When Sherry Joe's body was found, two to three strands

520
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:43.200
of hair were recovered from a clot of blood and

521
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.359
tissue in her palm of her hand. At the time,

522
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.319
technology would only show that the hair, blood and tissue

523
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:50.519
were that of a white male with sandy blonde hair.

524
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:54.160
Barnett is a white male and at the time had

525
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:58.039
sandy blonde hair. Tissue was also recovered from under Sherry

526
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:02.440
Joe's fingernails, but was too decomposed to gather DNA by

527
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:05.279
the time it was attempted in the early nineteen nineties.

528
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:12.000
That seems absolutely insane. How is it too decomposed to

529
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:15.920
gather DNA from it when it would have been collected

530
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.279
at the autopsy and been at its freshest.

531
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:21.799
Yeah, why wouldn't you do that? There was a struggle,

532
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:22.640
that's for sure.

533
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:23.519
Yeah.

534
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:28.000
Yeah, And there's that clearly these items were found during autopsy,

535
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:32.400
not you know, weeks later. The end of this is

536
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:35.480
during December of nineteen ninety eight, information was developed that

537
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:36.920
Barnett was returning.

538
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:37.880
Oh this is him.

539
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.359
He's been cleared by DNA, so we just went through

540
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.839
all of this for as So he already knows this stuff,

541
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:46.519
but still reports this information, which only causes confusions and

542
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:50.519
leads to multiple theories instead of pointing towards the direction

543
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.160
of one good, solid person.

544
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:53.400
So December.

545
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:56.799
During December of nineteen ninety eight, information was developed that

546
00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.799
Barnett was returning to the Riverside area for Christmas. With

547
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:04.400
the the latest incriminating information spilled incorrectly, RPD managed to

548
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:11.680
get I can't help it, it's big red. But RPD

549
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:13.759
managed to get a warrant and met Barnett upon his

550
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:18.119
rival at the Ontario Airport. RPD took skin, saliva, hair,

551
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:20.279
and other samples from Barnett, which were then sent for

552
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:24.240
DNA analysis to the FBI laboratory in Quantago, Virginia. Barnett

553
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:26.880
was described as having displayed a passive what took you

554
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.680
so long? Type attitude with detectives. The DNA results are

555
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.720
due in December, so let me see if he confirms this.

556
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.119
But I know that he was excluded from DNA, so

557
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:40.359
this entire excerpt being on his page was for naught,

558
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:41.759
like get rid of it.

559
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:42.079
It was.

560
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:46.400
Well, just because he wasn't the perpetrator doesn't mean he

561
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:52.119
wasn't involved. She obviously had trust for whoever killed her.

562
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.599
She spent time with the person. She thought that person

563
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:57.640
was going to help her with her car.

564
00:30:58.440 --> 00:30:59.640
But isn't that an.

565
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.960
A female thing. I mean, my car's broken, I can't

566
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.519
get home. I would take somebody's help. And in those

567
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.319
days it wasn't so scary.

568
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:12.400
Right, Yeah, mid sixties. People were a lot more open minded.

569
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:14.839
Back then, right, so it says.

570
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:17.920
While the current review of the Riverside Police Department is

571
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:20.160
that Scherry Joe Bates was murdered by a suspect they

572
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.279
have identified but cannot yet convict due to lack of evidence,

573
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.720
recent information I have received suggests the possibility that Bates

574
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.039
was an early victim of the Zodiac killer number one.

575
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:32.359
In May of nineteen ninety nine, one of the original

576
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.119
Riverside investigators confirmed during our conversation that the footprints found

577
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.839
near Scherry Joe's body were identified as being made by

578
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.799
wing walkers, the same type of shoes Zodiac wore almost

579
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.960
three years later when he killed at Lake Barriessa. An

580
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.440
FBI document I have obtained confirmed Scherry Joe's killer did

581
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.200
not did call the police after the murder, a habit

582
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:55.119
that Zodiac was known for. Note the Riverside Police Department

583
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.319
have never confirmed that a call was placed to them,

584
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.680
as was written in an anonymous confession to the police

585
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:03.599
and local newspaper in late November nineteen sixty six.

586
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.799
Additionally, he sent a letter to her dad.

587
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:09.839
We're correct that was one of three. So there was

588
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:13.440
the confession letter that was carbon copied, and that was

589
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:18.319
done on the teletype paper. Jack owned a teletype machine

590
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:20.160
and could be seen fixing it in a picture that

591
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:23.119
Dennis had in nineteen sixty two, so we know that

592
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:27.279
he was into the teletype machine. Hand radio immediate information

593
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:28.240
is what he was into.

594
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.799
Jackson technology. It tried to come off as a good

595
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:35.000
old boy, but he was hipped to a lot of

596
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:36.279
technology and.

597
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:36.640
He was.

598
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:39.920
For IBM at one point. Right.

599
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:42.440
I don't know if he was an engineer, but you

600
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.279
could see that he was giving HTML code and discussing

601
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.720
the issues and problems, and I think that's why while

602
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:53.000
he was at Aristona or Arizona Arizona State University, as

603
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:55.519
a as.

604
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:59.119
A security officer. Yeah. No, he's never been a janitor.

605
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.640
But as a security officer he would have access to

606
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:06.480
places in the university that nobody else would have. Right,

607
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:09.599
and Arizona University at the time Jack was there had

608
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:14.400
been cataloging and storing the different versions of anthrax strains,

609
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:16.599
including names. Wow.

610
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.079
Yeah, security officers are always suspects.

611
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:25.400
Not by Bart Baggott's words.

612
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:27.480
When I told him that Jack was a security guard,

613
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:29.599
because that was all the information I had after a

614
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.759
single conversation with Dennis, he said, no, he's too low level.

615
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:34.880
There's no possibility he could have been the Zodiac. The

616
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:38.079
Zodiac was intelligent, he had training, and now look, we

617
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:41.000
are past the point of finding out that Jack is

618
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:47.200
that intelligent building water waste removal systems for nuclear power plants,

619
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.640
for general electric in the San Jose area. To the

620
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:55.000
military training that he had, the marksmanship, the hunting, the

621
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:58.920
hunting abilities, the type of guns that were used, like

622
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.119
he had everything.

623
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.680
So it says yes he did.

624
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:06.440
And he carried ropes in the trunk of his car

625
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.519
that were cut to three foot three foot pieces.

626
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:11.199
Who does this?

627
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:20.320
The ties that vine or hog tie word, it says Additionally,

628
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.159
I've yet to find cooboration that the crime scene footprints

629
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:27.440
were wingwalkers, So then why state it? Why state in

630
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.639
May of nineteen ninety nine one of the original Riverside

631
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.679
investigators confirmed during our conversation, and then to turn around

632
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:33.360
and say, I've not.

633
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:35.960
Got coroboration for it. That is your coroboration.

634
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:37.679
Yeah, it's like.

635
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:41.199
You're back and forth and can't like deliver I don't

636
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:44.119
know the information, all right.

637
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:47.320
So this press release letter we have already discussed, so

638
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:49.039
I'm not going to read this again, but this is

639
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:54.199
basically where the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department is. So

640
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:59.280
nineteen seventy two press release from Santa Barbara. Oh yeah,

641
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:01.719
so this is where the Edwards in Domingo's case was

642
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.880
tied in. And what this has to say here is

643
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.440
since July of nineteen seventy one, Arthur Lee Allen has

644
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.880
been the focal point of the Zodiac case as maybe

645
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:13.280
since nineteen seventy one for a few years, but he

646
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:15.840
was cleared at some point by everything.

647
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.760
And I want to say he died in early ninety

648
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:20.440
ninety one.

649
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:24.079
I again have to go back and look, but definitely

650
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:25.719
by the time he died with a letter in his

651
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:27.880
hands saying I'm not the Zodiac. You know for sure

652
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:33.039
he's not the Zodiac, because if it were the Zodiac,

653
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:35.079
you guys, when he died, he would have had a

654
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:36.599
big ha ha ha ha.

655
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.440
You never got me on that communication.

656
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:44.840
I mean, we still believe he knew Jack.

657
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.880
Yeah, oh yeah, he flew. He evidently piloted small planes.

658
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:52.880
There's been talk about him having flown down to the

659
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:56.920
Riverside area. We know Jack talked about having taking flying

660
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.199
lessons with a friend and that he knew Arthur Lee

661
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:03.000
Allen from him giving him a ride home from Lake Barriessa.

662
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:07.079
So there's lots of connectivity there, yea. It says Art

663
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.599
Lee Allen has been a focal point of the Zodiac case.

664
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.320
Impossible to eliminate as a suspect. Can you believe this?

665
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:18.719
Nineteen ninety eight impossible? And I'm saying nineteen ninety eight eliminated.

666
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:24.039
He had been eliminated up to that point on every level,

667
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:26.840
and by two thousand at least, or two thousand and

668
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:30.280
two at least, he had been excluded by Harry Phillips

669
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.079
in twenty on twenty in their DNA attempt to match

670
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:37.199
to eight different suspects, which I believe also included Lawrence

671
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.239
Kine and some of these other false suspects that have

672
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:45.960
been portrayed, or that Voight has claimed to be this

673
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.320
all out investigator and making money off the information that

674
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:51.239
he's putting on here when it's false information.

675
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.280
In the Zodiac movie, it was very accurate in its

676
00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:02.360
portrayal of the crimes, but again it concludes that it's uh.

677
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:07.719
You means very accurate in the assumption of law enforcement

678
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:09.119
as to how the crimes happened.

679
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:12.079
Nobody was there to really describe.

680
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.320
Right, Yeah, well Heart was there at the one.

681
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.480
Right, but cowerd down in the freaking seat, right.

682
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:29.199
Like that's a I'm sorry Heartnell. Yes, yeah, I'm sure

683
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:34.679
that that problem became a lawyer inside, I know, and

684
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.239
and who didn't answer you when we wanted him to

685
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.559
listen to voice on audio.

686
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.280
He would not get back to me. I know.

687
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:44.880
So do you really want to know who attempted to

688
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.239
kill you? Killed your girlfriend, killed many others? As an attorney,

689
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.639
I would want to know the truth. I mean, isn't

690
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:51.760
that why you get into law?

691
00:37:54.119 --> 00:38:03.440
Some people have different mosa so it's impossible, not truth injustice,

692
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:06.159
but for most of them was about money.

693
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:07.800
Yeah. Money.

694
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.159
They don't even want to step into trial. They just

695
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:13.440
want to settle out of court. But after they've extinguished

696
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:19.960
all of their clients' monies, impossible to eliminate as a suspect.

697
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.519
Alan has been the focus of books, newspaper articles, and

698
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.159
television segments, not to mention the target of a huge

699
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.119
investigation that for over two decades aimed at convicting him.

700
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:30.320
Oh good lord.

701
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:33.320
Briefly questioned by the Valeo Police Department on October sixth

702
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.159
in nineteen sixty nine, Allen was dismissed as a suspect

703
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.760
by Sergeant John Lynch, only to re emerge less than

704
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.559
two years later, and for a good reason. For the

705
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:44.480
first time, I have published several of the reports detailing

706
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:47.559
the facts surrounding this fascinating suspect. I have blacked out

707
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:50.199
the names address, so now he's redacting crap.

708
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:55.840
Yeah, But also it's weird, very similar to the unifarmber.

709
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:58.599
It was his sister in law and brother that ratted

710
00:38:58.639 --> 00:38:59.000
him out.

711
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.920
Family seems to be keen on getting in on the action, huh.

712
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:08.960
And is these old friends that were like small level

713
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:13.519
crooks also ratted him out? But they didn't know he

714
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:13.920
did it.

715
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.559
They just you know, they're just trying to get publicity

716
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:18.119
exactly there, there you.

717
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.760
Go involved, But he wasn't Zodiac.

718
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.280
Let's see for the first time, I have published several

719
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:30.599
of the reports detailing the facts surrounding this fascinating suspect.

720
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:32.360
Fascinating, just fascinating.

721
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:35.360
Man's already dead with a letter in his hands saying

722
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:38.239
I'm not the Zodiac. I've blacked out the names, addresses,

723
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.079
of phone numbers of individuals also detailed in these reports.

724
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:42.159
These individuals are.

725
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.840
Informants, friends, family members, or witnesses, and their privacy is imperative.

726
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:48.760
While I won't divulge where I obtained these documents, of

727
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:52.440
course not, I will acknowledge the outstanding detective work of

728
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.840
the following officers who developed so much valuable background information

729
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:59.079
on Arthur Lee Allen. Oh, it just makes my head hurt.

730
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.639
Also information out there that kind of links him with

731
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.599
some of the Santa Rosa murders, the young girl, the hitchhikers.

732
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:12.119
I've seen what Arthur Lee Allen looked like in nineteen

733
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:16.480
sixty nine, nineteen sixty eight, and if you've looked at

734
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.280
those pictures, he was big and round faced it and

735
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.360
no hair, like he already looked like he was going

736
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.039
to look for the rest of his adult life. So

737
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:31.159
I'm pretty sure that the officer who gave the composite

738
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:38.199
description would have come up with some very very different attributes.

739
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:40.920
And none of that composite looks like Arthur Lee Allen.

740
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:42.320
Nothing like Arthur.

741
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:45.559
Let's see.

742
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.760
Well, one thing about him too. He was a diver.

743
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:53.480
They said, like walking doing this, and that he couldn't dance,

744
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:55.760
blah blah blah, not record. But when you have a

745
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.480
diving board, he said, he was really good.

746
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.159
You mean, what do you mean dive like like diving

747
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:03.559
off the diver into the.

748
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.480
Pool, okay, diving from the high dive.

749
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.079
So and I always here's the funny part, because he

750
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:13.880
had the Zodiac diver's watch. I attribute that to diving.

751
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.000
And the reason why I was created is that.

752
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:16.800
You could dive.

753
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.639
Yeah, Cuba dies. So this whole time I thought he

754
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:20.719
was a scuba diver.

755
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:24.559
He may have gotten that too, but but he was

756
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.719
the actual diver off a high dive and like competition

757
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:28.360
and whatnot.

758
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.559
Okay, so I've had my diver all wrong.

759
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.559
And he was a hunter. They found a lot of

760
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:41.960
knives and like hides and small animals and squirrels and

761
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.800
in his freezer and whatnot he hunted. He was like,

762
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:48.880
he killed a lot of small animals.

763
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:54.000
Maybe he liked squirrel ives.

764
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:56.679
And and and they did find some explosive materials in

765
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:57.320
his basement.

766
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.599
No, it was underneath his house. Well, here's the thing.

767
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:02.880
We can't never tell the truth because we're looking at

768
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:04.800
the media. Who's portraying this for us?

769
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:09.039
My recollection, so he knows.

770
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.760
Right, And my recollection was that the pipe bombs that

771
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:17.119
were found were found underneath this house. And he claimed

772
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:19.199
that a friend had hidden them there, but he was

773
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:21.440
unaware of what they were, that they were even there.

774
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.679
And I tend to believe him because I promise you,

775
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:25.360
if somebody tells me, can I hide a bomb on

776
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.679
your house, I'm just like.

777
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:28.800
No, no, no.

778
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:37.000
And if I had ever stumbled across them, I'm sure

779
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.239
I would be making sure to have them removed, because again, no,

780
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:48.079
there's not going to be. So here's a here's a

781
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:52.280
letter from Robert Graysmith. So here's this whole thing going on,

782
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:53.920
and it's to Tom.

783
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:54.519
Dear Tom.

784
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.079
I enjoyed our conversation on the phone, and once more,

785
00:42:57.079 --> 00:42:58.920
I want to thank you for your guidance during my

786
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:02.519
research on unibom, a desire to kill and to introducing

787
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:04.920
me to the Internet, and the vast amount of terrific

788
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:08.679
information and theories there. Wow, where was this guy? I

789
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.920
thought he was? Didn't he work for the newspaper Grace,

790
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:13.719
Yeah he was.

791
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:15.920
How was it that he didn't know about the Internet?

792
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.360
And Tom opened up his eyes all right.

793
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.159
Writing the book on zodiacs?

794
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.639
Yeah, come on, Uh, I don't have a date on this,

795
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:27.920
so I'm not sure when this was actually written. But

796
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:31.960
a desire to kill and to introduce me to the Internet.

797
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:34.440
I haven't closed some things from my forthcoming sequel to

798
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.400
the Zodiac Zodiac un masks, So yes, this is clearly

799
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:42.719
after Tom Voyd already has his website both it looks

800
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.519
like which will include the pal Oh no, no, no no.

801
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.559
What I read is unmasked. It's an update of the

802
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:51.920
original Grace with book.

803
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:54.360
And when was that one? Like nineteen nineties?

804
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:58.840
I forget that, Yeah, late nineties, I think.

805
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.840
Yeah, So Zodiac on Mass which will include the thousands

806
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.000
of things I've learned since the book was published back

807
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.960
in nineteen eighty six. What I've dug up for you

808
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.840
or some of the search warrants served on Star. So

809
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.519
Star was this supposedly. I don't know how Star gets

810
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:17.480
into the mix, other than I was at one point

811
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:21.880
in time sent this greeting card or the part a

812
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.639
portion of the Halloween greeting card that was never shown

813
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:27.559
to anybody, And it looked like it had a J

814
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.639
tar because the j is formed just like the Zodiac

815
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:34.639
does his jas. But the way it's positioned next to

816
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.880
the tar, it looks like it says Star. So this

817
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.760
whole theory about Star goes about.

818
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.400
Yeah, J tar, it's jtar.

819
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.880
If it is true, if it is real, this was

820
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.000
found in the Hallow on a flap on the inside

821
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.599
of the Halloween card, never shown to the public.

822
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.000
This could be the only way they came up with.

823
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.760
The Star suspect, as far as I'm concerned, because I

824
00:44:57.880 --> 00:44:59.840
was being led to believe that it was a legitimate,

825
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:01.920
then I was concerned that if I found it to

826
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.159
be legitimate, I could have been being canned because it

827
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.039
was made up. But then in Zodiac on mass he

828
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:11.000
heavily talked about this Star character. So Star came from somewhere,

829
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:14.559
and likely maybe even from the Hollywood cart or the

830
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:15.719
Halloween card itself.

831
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:18.039
I always found that curious about the book because the

832
00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:21.760
first couple of chapters about this k Star guy, but

833
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.719
I think Kennastar, which is actually the name of like

834
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:29.599
a prosecutor one of these political things, but anyway, or

835
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:35.880
special council anyway. But eventually it comes around to basically say,

836
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.760
the Star guy is Arthur le Ellen. Why why are

837
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:44.280
you calling him star right? Why why not just off

838
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:47.960
the bat, just say this is who it is. It's

839
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:51.239
like a fiction. In the first couple of chapters, it's weird.

840
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.599
Oh so you're saying that that's the the fictional name

841
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:56.119
Gray Smith gave him.

842
00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:58.880
So how do how do you write a book as

843
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.639
if you're the the ultimate uh.

844
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:09.599
Uh course, yeah, authority for the zodiac case, but use

845
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.320
fictional characters and fictional information.

846
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:14.880
Yeah. The first couple chapters are about this star guy

847
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:17.840
and who the fuck is he? Excuse my language, you know,

848
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:21.039
and then later it comes around to reveal that the

849
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:22.559
stars actually are through Leon.

850
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:26.239
I almost want to do some graphology on Robert Graysmith's

851
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:29.079
signature here, because not only does he cross himself out,

852
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:33.719
which is a way to eighty six yourself. He has

853
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:37.000
a cover over the entire top of his name, as

854
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.960
if to hide things. He has a whole lot of

855
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:45.239
inner workings in his lowercase O, which it when you

856
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:48.599
see these type of movements, they tend to indicate that

857
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:54.559
you're not an honest person. He strikes backwards to the

858
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:56.840
left and then back to the right, but either way

859
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:01.000
he's crossing himself out in whole, and he clearly has

860
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:05.039
no like he's not liking. I mean, I think that

861
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.719
most of those in hollyweird that use that single name

862
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.519
reference they think they're superior to everybody else, so like

863
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:16.239
when they use just prints or he was.

864
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:20.360
A cartoonist, so he had skills with a pen, and

865
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:23.000
that's very weird looking hanwriting it looks like you know,

866
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:26.000
the scribble basically.

867
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.960
Yeah, well it kind of is. But some of the

868
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.639
attributes that are being had there. I just talked about

869
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:34.679
the long tee bar in another client. In another case

870
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:37.679
I was doing for forensics, but I was discussing this

871
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.639
long tee bar that floated across the entire name to

872
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:45.280
my graphology mentor, and she indicated that they're basically undercover, right,

873
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:48.400
They're they're covering themselves up and he's covered himself up

874
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:50.239
all the way across the middle zone, so you know

875
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:51.880
that it's him, not everything he does.

876
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:52.400
In general.

877
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:55.400
He's not covering up his thoughts by any means, because

878
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.000
all of those upper extenders are above the cover. But

879
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.760
the cover being just above that middle zone means he's

880
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.960
covering himself up for some reason. And then, like I said,

881
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.199
signing with a singular name, he doesn't want anybody to

882
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:11.599
either know who he is because it's not clear communication.

883
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:14.519
You can't tell from that that it's Robert. You could

884
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.519
assume because it's R O B R. And then you

885
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:19.920
see the crossbar that's supposed to mean it's a T.

886
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:20.920
Right.

887
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:25.159
I guess I'd like to see other virtues of.

888
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:27.119
Right?

889
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:33.760
Was this from Vot's website? This letter?

890
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:39.039
Yes, yes, yeah, I don't know.

891
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:41.880
He says, what I've dug up for you are some

892
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.559
of the search weren't served on Star by the police.

893
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:46.800
They will be part of zodiac un mass this way.

894
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:50.840
And so why is he calling him Star in the

895
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.480
middle of a letter if he's gonna then turn around

896
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:57.199
and and state that that's our the Arthur Lee Allen.

897
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:00.320
This book will include hundreds of photos or at least

898
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.960
as many as we have for room for new maps

899
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:05.840
and drawings. I've taken some time to on this, but

900
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:09.800
I want to do America's post amazing case justice. I

901
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:11.719
will use some of the five hundred pages we did

902
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.639
not use in the original Zodiac. I've also sent along

903
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.519
some of the drawings I did for the bell Tower.

904
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:19.519
They are eleven inches by seventeen inches, so I don't

905
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.360
know it. You can scan them into your web page.

906
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.480
You're welcome to do so and reproduce this letter as well.

907
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.280
Most of the boxes of zodiac letters, votas and drawings

908
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.119
are in a warehouse or on loan, so I hope

909
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:34.920
xeroxes are all right for your purposes if I can

910
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:36.760
get it to you. I will send along some of

911
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.559
the hand printing Star did in his trailer back in

912
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.840
the nineteen seventies. I have originals to these. Please credit

913
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:46.199
these to my forthcoming book Best Robert. So maybe he's

914
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.159
calling him Star in this letter because he's going to

915
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.199
write the book about him being Star and he wants

916
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.440
it to coincide. I have no idea. Very very strange. Anyways,

917
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:56.199
we are definitely our last.

918
00:49:56.199 --> 00:50:00.519
Curious about that. Why you introduced the star character for you.

919
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:03.400
Right, Well, that's all we have for today, Nolan. We

920
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:06.440
are at our limit, and so I hope everybody has

921
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:07.360
a wonderful weekend.

922
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:08.360
Thank you for being here.

923
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.119
We're going to pick back up next week on this

924
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:13.079
conversation obviously and continue with the information from.

925
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:14.159
Tom Floyd's website.

926
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:15.239
Awesome.

927
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:16.039
Thank you everybody.

928
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:17.320
Take