May 23, 2025

Zodiac Killer Comments, I-45 Killer and Tim Miller

Zodiac Killer Comments, I-45 Killer and Tim Miller
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YouTube comments where another research and code solver has shared their thoughts on what they have found. It runs in tandem with much of what I have covered as far as the military, mob, CIA, FBI, politics, and media. Another communication sent in regards to the murder of Tim Miller’s daughter Laura Miller, and I believe that it is the work of the Zodiac Killer.

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Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today, Harriet Souchet,

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Good morning, mid morning, and Nolan del Campo, if you're

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done with your dog, good morning. Oh here we go,

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stepping back into the Zodiac. I'm so happy to be

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back after that wrongful conviction case. I'm still waiting on

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some final answers that we'll do some follow up at

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some point in time once those come in, but I'm

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gonna hit right back into the YouTube. Comments by miss Vanerak.

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We started with her last week talking about all the

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Livelong Day as part of the lyrics of a creepy

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stocky song called the Eyes of Texas, which is another

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Texas relation. I think that Harriet and I and we

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have studied these communications for so long, and there are

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many barrels of fun. There's fiddle fart around, there's can

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you think of any more of those key phrases that

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are one of them?

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Was?

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I think fiddle fart around was actually originated in Lubbock, Texas,

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and that's where Jack was born.

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I had who said that too all the time, and

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they were from the South. They were born in Texas.

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That's right.

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Never mind, And what did you say?

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Yours is a dragon?

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Your ass? You think that's a Texas reference?

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It's Southwestern?

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Ye with your ass is a dragon?

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Yeah, And I tattooed that on my leg. Your ass

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is a dragon?

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Anyways, and his man Rack actually went out of her

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way in one or in the two weeks we were

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off for the wrongful conviction of Peter Wilson, and had

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sent me several messages.

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I did respond to her.

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I've not heard back from her as well, but I

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did tell her that I would address these particular comments

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on the show because I think they're thought provoking and

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I'm always up for additional perceptions and thoughts and theories.

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So this is a next one, and it says and

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this is right up your alley, Harriet, he says, I

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think the ciphers begin with black Dahlia, or she was

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mutilated in such a way as to convey the message

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that there were ciphers. The cut on her tummy from

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belly button down to the pubic bone was how Scyrian

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sections were done in those days. Usually the horizontal cut

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used nowadays only came into common when with used with

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the advent of bikinis and women wanting their scar hidden

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on the beach. A Caesar solve is a type of cipher,

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and I've tried some with the key line being the

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murder or abduction location, and have got some pretty interesting results.

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I've found consistent references to the film industry, and from

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there further visual clues and hints about who in the

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industry is into Satanism. It's rife then as now. Also

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possibly back at the source is the nineteen thirty one

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German film called m about a serial killer of little girls,

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produced by another Roman emperor, Nero Films. So many fled

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Germany at the start of World War Two and came

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to America or UK. Now, Harriet, I thought you were

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gonna have all kinds of stuff to say about this.

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Yeah, there's actually.

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Hold on, Harry, Harriet, Harriet, hold on one second, Go ahead, Nolan.

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I think M is directed by Fritz Lang, a famous

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German film director.

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Gotcha.

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I have no idea what she's talking about, and I

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couldn't even begin to google just M to figure that out.

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But go ahead, Harriet.

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Well, what I was going to say, this is actually

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segueing in a weird way into how the evidence tells

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the story, and this person is pretty much right. That's

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where I started cutting my teeth literally on the cipher's

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stuff was how Elizabeth Short was. Her feet were pointing

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to the north, remember right, her hands were pointing a

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certain way. Yes, there was a cut on the belly

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alluding to a cesarean. I got a saw that says

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that George Hodell had given her a cesarean and took

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the baby out a few days prior. Anyways, So this

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is it. This is the evidence is telling a story,

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and it is in code.

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So let me get this straight.

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Obviously, she wasn't known to be pregnant, so she would

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have been in early stages if she was, And what

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would their purpose because back in the nineteen forties, it's

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not like they had DNA and could have tested the fetus.

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My thought is is nowadays you would take that fetus

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because you didn't want it to tie back to maybe

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some corrupt official that got her pregnant and it had

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her killed because she didn't want it being outed. But

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back in the nineteen forties, it's not like you had

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that type of DNA resource to be able to determine

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who that baby belonged to.

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Right, this I think is true.

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But if I remember right, and I no longer see

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him online. Sorry, as George Odell's son would tried to

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claim that his father, Yeah, he said that there was

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some testing done in the house, the stolen house, I

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remember the name. But they found some sense of like

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a small body was buried there, like like a fetus

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or something alluding to that. So anyways, uh, and I

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got a whole bunch of salts there talking about that,

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that weird house. But but again it goes back to

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what this person is saying. It is code. I've seen

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it in future things. How somebody was laid out, a

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shirt was next to them there, a ring was laid

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next to them that they probably didn't know everything and code,

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So so they're actually pretty much right. It's code is

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a site.

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Well you you actually believe that this code existed well

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before Black Dahlia though, right, you're saying, yea, even in

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the eighteen hundreds or earlier.

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Yeah, that's when I'm finding out when I'm stuck in

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eighteen eighty eight. Now, because I wanted to do it.

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I was running. I ran out of the stuff to

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decode for Jack, so I got stuck.

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Well let me give you more.

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Yeah, let's see, because that's how I got it, and

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when I'm finding out, Yeah, they were using a very

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the sync system of how something was laid out. Something

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was put on an envelope without a stamp, like Dahlio.

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I think we have some envelopes or a postcard without

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a stamp, you know. I think it was notorious.

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He was notorious for either over postaging or not using

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any postage at all. So yeah, in both cases, All right,

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onto her next one. Then, well, let me see if

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there was any thing I wanted to say about that reference. Well,

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we know that there's references to the film industry. A

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lot of the Zodiac communications either allude to, you know,

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Japanese movies or different films like The bad Lands. In

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one of his communications, he's constantly hitting at the media. Yeah,

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most dangerous game. Yeah, I mean it's just over and

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over again. I couldn't throw a stick at this case

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and not hit either. A reference to a book, a

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passage to a book, magazines like dB Cooper that he

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used cutouts from the Playboy magazine.

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So there's always something that's going back to the media here.

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Yeah, the Charlie chan film that was filmed at Treasure.

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Island, right right, over and over again. We're going to

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see that, those references and everything. Her next comment is,

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I think the arrows on the grime sister shed writing

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is the outline of a constellation. Let me correct that.

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The for the listeners is that it wasn't on the shed.

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It was on a two by four that was found

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on a shed at a at or near a park

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area nearby. I mean at least within probably a mile

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or so of where the girls were killed. And this

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was again two girls that were abducted. They were on

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their way I believe, to an Elvis Presley.

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Event. I want to say they kind of basically ran away.

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They were supposed to go to the movies, but then

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they left town to head to this event and were

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kidnapped and then ultimately killed. And this two by four

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that was found in a shed nearby had some markings

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on it which included arrows. Now, I heavily talk about

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the arrows that are being used in the zodiac communications,

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because there was always an arrow drawing somewhere. And this

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goes all the way back to Black Dahlia. We saw

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when he when he said that Armando, I think Armando Robliss.

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I don't know if I'm saying his name correct. I

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know it's Armando, but he had knocked him out, basically

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stole his wallet, and then had photocopied his picture, and

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he wrote next and I saw my very first era

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in these particular communications. So it goes back pretty far

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with the arrows. So she says she thinks that the

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writing is the outline of a constellation.

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I don't know.

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I'm not sure.

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Does she have an idea what constellation would be?

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No, but everybody wants to.

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Stuff is.

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Well, and I would I should have.

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I should have kind of pulled out the actual image

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that she's talking about to show the two by four.

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I have no clue how she's acclimated this to any

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type of a constellation because it's written there are words

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like please and and stop or something like that. Me

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and then these arrows are drawn, but they're on a

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two by four that's elongated, So I don't know how

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that makes a constellation at all in her mind. I

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did ask her to share this stuff with me, to

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email me to you know, let's talk about whatever your

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thoughts and theories, and you're so and I'd be willing

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to have you on the show. But I never heard

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back from her, So I'm at a loss as to

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how to answer what her perception is.

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I just know that when I look at those arrows on.

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That too by four, to me, they don't represent a

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constellation based on where they're placed on the board, she says,

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hence it being at various angles depending on the time

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of year and global viewpoint. And I think everybody wants

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to tie this back to the Zodiac constellation, the Zodiac

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system in constellation terms or horoscope terms, but I just

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I don't really see that being the vice we've discussed

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before that Jack was a rancher, he was born on

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a farm that he knew the farmer's almanac, which is

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all your solstices, when winter's coming, when it's safe to plant,

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all of these different timeframes that also revolved around this

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constellation idea.

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It says, let's see.

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Hence it being at various angles depending on the time

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of year and global viewpoint. Lots of constellations have gone

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out out of common usage. They use the be on Me,

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which is a constellation above Aris, and I was born

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under the sign of Ares. Balance on the drawings with

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the Jenny Lynn Pooky letter are also a heart shaped

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constellation on that angle, the constellation of Dorado. I don't

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really know my constellations to be able to speak about this,

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but I feel like the Pooky letter. Do you know

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anything about that communication.

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I'm gonna have to look that up.

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But there's your next station.

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Okay, I think I've seen something many many years ago. Okay, Jack,

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where he when he was born, the time he was

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born and that part of Texas, These constellations were going

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over him as almost as if in code, is trying

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to say, I'm this guy who was born under these constellations.

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I'm trying to remember what that was. And then you

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at Dorado. Derondo is a place in Colorado. I think,

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so he's got some big Colorado connections. We know that well.

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And at one point in time Jack had purchased a

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portion of acreage up in the El Dorado area, the

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only Dorado, the only Dorado I know of. But yes,

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he had property up there. And that's the party in

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which Dennis actually had them go out with ground images

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found human bones that they did not.

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For a moment. Let's see, we're gonna have some background noise.

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Okay, you don't have to go through all that. You

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can just do it all right, onto the next one.

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So miss van rak her next comment is glad to

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hear someone else expressing frustration about self appointed experts controlling,

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containing and ultimately stagnating progress. This needs to be solved

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because it is so much more than five murders in

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California in the late nineteen sixties. It announced its arrival

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in the UK to the general public in the first

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ever episode of BBC Crime Watch in June nineteen eighty

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four on yt and the Murder of Collette Aram, complete

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with cipher confession letter from the perpetrator. Now, I'm not

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sure who this individual is. I've not heard the name

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Collette Aram, but it sounds to me like this may

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be why they keep I see people from the UK

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trying to tie back and forth this zodiac reference. We

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talked about the oh gosh, what was the murders in

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the lover Lanes in in Sweden? Right, and I stated

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Italy Italy? Okay, Well, I had stated that I didn't

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believe Jack was a part of them, but that the

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group possibly could be. Now you're starting to see where

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they are putting together things that are happening in the

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UK and coinciding that with zodiac mischief basically, so it

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is likely that this group is all around the world,

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and I would connect.

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So it's global. It's been global. I'm finding it since

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eighteen eighty eight for sure. Anyway, gotcha, but you brought

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up about the Italy connection. Let me say something really quick.

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What I found out by those lovers Lane murders. They

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all have names with shoe companies, some of them very expensive,

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and the last one did own a shoe store in Europe.

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So there's a connection right there. So anyways, well, how

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is the shoe store connection. I don't understand. That person

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was also murdered, but was quite I think quite wealthy,

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kind of like a Beverly Hills type shoe store, but

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in Europe, and I'm like, there's something, there's something there

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and has something to do with with the fashion industry

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and a very expensive shoes and all those names all

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have something to do with shoes.

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Anyways, one might have to revisit that at some point

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in time. Well, Mssvanat goes on in her next comment

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to say, I think Disney is pivotal.

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I think you're right, Ms Vannerak.

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I've found a lot of relation to Disney throughout this

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progress and time frame. It says after his first success

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in the nineteen thirties, he investigated big time in Texan

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or he invested big time in Texan oil drilling. So

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basically she's indicating what Walt Disney has expanded into oil,

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and we know that oil.

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Is a big theme around all of this.

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In fact, our next murder that's going to be coming up,

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we're going to talk about how that father of the

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murdered victim believes that somebody from the oil industry was

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involved with his daughter's death. So it says father Irish,

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hence the connection to horse racing, and his mother half

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English and half German. He was big in Germany even

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pre war Mickey Mouse is in the background in the

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shops in the nineteen thirty one German Purvy Murders film

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called m Oh We're back to Em Again. Nolan, have

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you watched this movie?

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I think when I was in my twenties at like

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film school.

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Yeah, they're saying that Mick.

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Peter Lorri stars as the murderer.

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Well, and she's saying that as early as nineteen thirty one,

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Mickey Mouse was seen in the background of that particular flag.

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Yeah, crazy, he says.

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Hence, and of course hens is always that big word

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with the John Benet Ramsey stuff. Hence, I think the

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latter disputed type written list letter from Zodiac signed by Deferr.

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I haven't seen this.

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That letter is absolutely a part of it. And I

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call it the Magic letter because the way the words

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are arranged on the page sometimes produces images and sometimes

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show the angle of refraction for invisibility. Keep it thumbnail

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size and you will see different things on different viewings.

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The silhouette image top left of the letter could be

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Mickey Mouse, but the squiggles represent the etchings they put

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on the glass prisms they use when creating a zone

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of invisibility. The etched images can be picked up by

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the camera, even old thirty five millimeter Also Colin Nag

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entertainer from Germany whose partner fled to California at the

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outset of World War Two. They specialized in disappearing things

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on stage, even as big as a car. Bet Betty

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lou Jensen, and Michael Renault mijeau LBJ.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna think that.

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LBJ is Lyndon B. Johnson liked to be called Defer

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in private with his cronies in the White House apparently,

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so that is an interesting tie in.

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Yeah, what's that nothing? You don't joke?

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You can't, you can't joke, and then giggle and then

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tell me not and like that's keeping it suspense.

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Must Yeah, I Betty did, Yeah, no, the Nazi now.

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Well, interesting that she ties in Betty lou Jensen and

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Michael Renault MIGEU. I mean Renault is a vehicle, right,

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But I'm not quite sure where she's going with this.

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I have more questions than answers afterwards. But I do

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believe that you know that zone of invisibility that they're

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talking about, the etched images that can be picked up

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by the camera and the thirty five millimeter. I mean,

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there's a lot of things in here that really piqued

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my interest, and I'd like to know where she's going

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with it.

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Okay, So Renault was Mijau's mid lame.

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That's what she's indicating.

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Interesting, Michael, Michael, we know Michael Renault.

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Is that all fran Bench.

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Yeah, it's a French name.

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Yeah, Yeah, was a Renault car French as well.

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Yeah, we pronounced it in English Renault. But I believe

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this Renault Renault.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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You go to these different countries as I found, and

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they don't use half the letters of the alphabets that's

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in the words. So I'm like, why are you wasting

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the time and energy on writing them? If you don't

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say them, why don't you write them phonically?

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All right?

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So miss van it wouldn't be frenched up.

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Miss Vannarak goes on to say the description by Brian

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Hartnell and Kathleen Johnson migeaux Stein's witnesses of dark curly

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hair and dark framed glasses versus the deliberately blonde hair

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and pale.

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Framed glasses of the published guesses.

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Immediately tells any inquiring mind that you have to wade

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through bullshit to get to some truce. I do believe that,

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but I have never seen the I've never seen a

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description of dark rimmed glasses. I've never seen a description

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of dark brown hair. It's been reddish brown, reddish blonde,

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blonde gray. And I actually did, at one point in time,

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put together all the sightings of the zodiac in one

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display for one of these podcasts, and you can cross reference.

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And of course, I mean anybody in a state of

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trauma is going to see what they think they see

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and repeating it. Sometimes they're not most reliable source as

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an eyewitness.

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But the one that I hold true is police officer

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that saw him in the video.

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I'm going to tend to believe the description that that

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officer gives because A he was not in the middle

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of trauma. B he's trained to do these things to

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I'll assess and look at people. So I think that

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if they're attempting to change this for the purpose of

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let's say, who is Tom Boyd's favorite Gaikowski, right, he

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had the horn rimmed, dark glass, dark rained glasses. If

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you're looking change the narrative to fit your suspect, and sure.

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Go for it.

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But if you look back to one of my Power.

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Our podcasts to see all of the different sightings and

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what they witnessed and they viewed, you're gonna find that

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the information she just gave there for me is again

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it is bullshit. I mean, you have to wade through

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that to find the truth. And that's why I compiled

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all those different sightings so that we could make out

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what part of that was literally the zodiac they were seeing.

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CD four four six.

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As I love all the authors, Zodiac Unmass, the true

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identity of Zodiac, zodiac Solved, et cetera. If any of

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those titles were true, the FBI would have closed the

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case and signed off on their suspect.

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This hasn't happened.

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I personally appreciate her for saying that, because that's what

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we get year after year. I get phone calls from

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friends and even Nolan has Nanette, did you see the

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new Zodiac that they've got out? And they start out

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with some headline like Zodiac identified right, and they blast

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this all across the world as they've in many different

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cases like Dupper Perez and her faulty suspect, and then

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when they reach when they recant it, and there's something

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by the FBI saying no, this is not closed, No,

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this is not the person. It's this little tiny blurb

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that actually gets out there to retract that particular press release,

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and it doesn't go but barely right out of our area,

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so it doesn't go around the world to say no.

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And this leads everybody to believe, at one time or

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another that there's a whole new suspect and they've solved

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the case when they haven't. If they had, the FBI

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would close it.

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They just need this true crime to keep going. It's

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a moneymaker, yes it is. I well, can I say

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one thing about the description of the curly hair et cetera. Oh, yeah,

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I believe that's the one where there's the unnamed witnesses

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at Lake Barry Essa that had the picture of the

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person with darker hair, a little bit curly, spraguely looking

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that Dennis had said that that's his step brother Denny.

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They didn't portray that image.

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They didn't portray that image with curly hair dark yes,

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slicked back, yes, And they didn't portray or state curly.

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All I know is that's the person that I saw

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when I was ten or eleven ish. And then when

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I found out that's why, I said, I got to

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support Dennis.

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Person year, what year would you be? What year would

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you be? Ten or eleven?

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Nineteen seventy And it was at the bus stop for

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the twenty four. And then then through his website said well,

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they were living on Surrey Street in the neighborhood next

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to yours and you would have to take the twenty four.

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So yeah, I definitely in the San Francisco area.

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Okay, that's very interesting, all right, so miss Vannerack's next

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one is the description by Brian Hartnell and Kathleen Johnson.

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Oh wait a minute, uh, I already read that one.

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Next one a student mortar board with a professor's gown

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ranged over it.

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I have no idea what that means.

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Mortarboard, professor's gown arranged over it. I think I don't

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know if she's.

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An I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Again, and I asked these questions I don't get answers.

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Ezra Cuba said, The laughing frenzy reminds me of Dennis's

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photo of Jack, where he labels it becoming zodiac. Jack

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seems to have gotten some sort of euphoria while killing.

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The picture he's talking about is the picture of Jack

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showing some Yeah, he looks like the image off of

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the Halloween card that you know, arms displayed out, and

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he has just gone to the neighbor's house and killed

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the neighbor's dogs. And he comes back and he looks

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like he is literally just on fire. His eyes are wide,

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like he's probably on methamphetamines or something like that, because

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he was known to have made, sold and dealt with

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meth amphetamines during that time. He was probably high as

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a kite and he was euphoric over having killed those dogs.

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Wow. All right, right, bloodlust pretty much.

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And I guess I mean, if that's how you have

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to get it, because you're not capable of running out

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and killing any person at that point in time, You're

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going to get it wherever you can. And we have

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lots of instances of Jack killing family pets and obviously

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neighbor's pets and things like that.

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So he just killed. He just killed. To kill.

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Miss van Rack nineteen fifties Army code question mark. I

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found the airs symbol being used as a capital T

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in the military forms for Mary Jane van Glider during

468
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the war years. She was applying for civilian work at

469
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:47.359
a military base. Mysterious WV channel, A cluster of crimes

470
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:50.960
in that area and another in Cleveland, Ohio, and something

471
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.200
about an airstrip, which I think is about David Ferry

472
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:56.440
and the jfk assassination.

473
00:26:57.559 --> 00:26:59.319
Does anybody know what she's talking about?

474
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.720
Asp, Yeah, sport of.

475
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.160
It says a cluster of crimes in that area and

476
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.400
another in Cleveland, Ohio, and something about an airstrip, which

477
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:13.960
I think is about David Ferry. And then she parentheses

478
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:15.960
jfk assassination.

479
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:20.960
Right, Ferry was involved in the jeffk assassination, and he

480
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:25.480
was a pilot and actually, uh Lee Harvey Oswald as

481
00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:31.160
a teenager trained under David Ferry and civil air patrol,

482
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:37.759
I think for young kids, for like high school age kids,

483
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:40.839
Oswald joining the Marines.

484
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:43.839
Right, So.

485
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:47.079
Gotcha.

486
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:51.960
Now her next one is I couldn't follow his solution either.

487
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.559
And this is in response to Orange Shak solve with

488
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:59.279
the period nineteen ciphersolve of the three forty it was

489
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:02.079
a three forty, right, Yeah, because yeah, the three forty.

490
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:03.680
I tried to.

491
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:08.880
Map out the three forty solved that Orangechak did, and

492
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:11.680
of course it did not map out in the way

493
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.039
he stated. You had to make many manipulations and changes

494
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.680
in order to get me a clear message, and some

495
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.400
words were just flat out inserted or changed altogether. I

496
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.680
did not find that it was reproducible by the means

497
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:29.519
that he states that it was done in. So she's saying,

498
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:32.720
Miss Baniak is saying, I couldn't follow his solution either,

499
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.519
And I'm not sure if there is one in the

500
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.880
form of a continuous message or sentences. Our minds need

501
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.640
to order something into something we can recognize. These ciphers

502
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.640
were written before computers, so possibly a computer will not

503
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:48.200
find a solution. What I noticed is that only numbers

504
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:51.119
in the cipher are nine and eight, and always in

505
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:55.759
that order. Nine to eight is the atomic number of californium,

506
00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:00.960
and the half shaded and the half shaded BOK could

507
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:04.319
be a reference to half life of atomic elements.

508
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:06.480
The moon symbol.

509
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.759
Right, it's all right up there, Yeah, The moon symbols

510
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.559
could be a reference to a Peter Moon who was

511
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:19.119
involved in the UK Nuclear Research Program aka MOD. I

512
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:23.160
think nuclear tests in Nevada were joint exercises, but also

513
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:25.720
the cipher was published a few years after the first

514
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:29.279
nuclear threat had been averted by JFK, and some back

515
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.680
room boys were not on board, regarding him as a

516
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:36.799
communist sympathizer. As a result, they wanted the Grand Finale.

517
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.519
But decades before, some American scientists wanted to test their

518
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:44.359
nuclear capabilities by blowing up the Moon. Thankfully, by the

519
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.240
time of JFK, they decided to visit. They had decided

520
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:51.960
to visit it instead. Yes, please to the nineteen forties

521
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:57.039
Army Ciphering System publish that. I don't know anything about

522
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.200
the nineteen forties Army ciphering system, do you? Is that

523
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:02.519
the period nineteen that Orange Jack talks about.

524
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:06.839
No, but I got a solve that Jack is saying

525
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:11.880
that he gave him the IBM particular computer system that

526
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.160
would come up with the subby came up with. And

527
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.279
he's saying, in the future, they're going to be saying,

528
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:20.400
we got it, We got it through that three guys

529
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:25.880
he predicted it. Yeah. So, but then there were was

530
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.279
a computer system in the nineteen forties. It's just like

531
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:33.240
it would fill an entire building if I remember I so.

532
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.319
Oh yeah, well, technology is what at least fifty years

533
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:37.720
in advance of me.

534
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.960
There was it wasn't this the same system that filled

535
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:43.880
the building is in it.

536
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:47.880
So she saying that the Warhawks in the United States

537
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:49.039
wanted to blow up the moon.

538
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:50.640
I've heard that.

539
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:58.319
I heard because because if I remember the joking, story

540
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:01.000
was because they didn't want the Russian to get there first.

541
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:03.079
So blowing up.

542
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:21.480
That was definitely coming out of a ballplayer's mouth. I'm

543
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.240
going to take my ball and go home.

544
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:29.559
We can't have the moon neither, can you?

545
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:30.319
Come on?

546
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.480
Well, maybe like that last people that were making things disappear,

547
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.519
all they did was merely make it look like it disappeared.

548
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.480
Somebody Glenn Collins seven six seven zero rights you lost

549
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.319
me in the beginning what Cipher recently got solved? Not

550
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.279
referring to the three forty are you.

551
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:52.799
I already know about that one.

552
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:55.119
I don't understand that, I get I don't know why

553
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:56.279
I even put that one in here.

554
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:57.920
I must have thought that was van Rack and I

555
00:31:57.960 --> 00:31:58.920
just kept on going.

556
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.559
Anyways, back to more of Vanerak, she said, Crime and

557
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:06.200
Punishment book. Student drops out but can't admit to his

558
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.880
family back home, pawns his valuables, and when that runs out,

559
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.400
he kills the pawnbroker and takes her lute the Leopold

560
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:17.000
and Loeb, which could have been the inspired by the book.

561
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.559
He shadows the police investigation, offers his help, and talks

562
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.440
of little else, which pretty soon draws attention to himself

563
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.799
found guilty long stint in Siberia, breaking stones in a quarry.

564
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.160
I think that's it. Although I did read The Idiot

565
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.319
by the same author many years ago.

566
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:38.720
Both titles fit. So what was the other title?

567
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:42.400
I think the author's Dostoyevsky.

568
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:44.599
For Crime and Punishment.

569
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:51.079
Yeah, boy, yeah, I'm not sure either, but I remember

570
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.079
you talking about the Crime and Punishment and Deus Deut

571
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:55.000
whatever that name.

572
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.880
Was, Deutschevski.

573
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:00.720
Ms.

574
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:03.480
Vanorat goes on to say that Shakespeare quote could be

575
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:07.359
a reference to code breaker Elizabeth Friedman Smith, who broke

576
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:11.039
the codes in the smugglers shipping during Prohibition and stood

577
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:13.240
in court in front of the mob.

578
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:17.640
Are you familiar with any of that, Harriet, No, but

579
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:20.119
I know, well, bringing.

580
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:24.279
Up about Shakespeare and the system seems to go quite

581
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:29.720
back there, and I'm seeing stuff alluding to what is

582
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:33.559
coming out of the England area. All I know is

583
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.960
when I'm seeing whoever this Miss Venerick is I'm seeing

584
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.680
how do I say it? I'm wondering, is this rodgers

585
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.519
Stone talking to you? Because a lot of this stuff

586
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.799
is something that you might see in his conversations and people.

587
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.759
I've been to the JFK conferences, so it gets a

588
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:58.759
I'm not saying he's weird and out there, but this

589
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.920
is things I thought I but we talked about. You know,

590
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.720
people can get so crazy. And he's also trying to

591
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:11.400
look people back in well, and maybe.

592
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.320
As the reference to the Shakespeare.

593
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:18.760
Quote exactly, they're just completely incomplete.

594
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:23.679
What what's Shakespeare quote? Though?

595
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:30.719
Not to be I don't know, not to be zodiac?

596
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:31.119
That is?

597
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:37.079
Oh man.

598
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.920
Yeah, I'm left again with more questions than answers. And again,

599
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:45.119
maybe this is somebody portraying themselves as Miss Vanerak when

600
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.800
they're technically somebody else, and that's why they're not reaching

601
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.880
out to me in order to have these discussions or

602
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.199
let me know who they are. I've found this over

603
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:56.280
the years since I've been doing this, that people will

604
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.960
pop in. They usually come in incognito or anonymous. They

605
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.079
don't really want to tell me who they are. They

606
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:04.400
drop a bit of information off on me and a

607
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:06.679
lot of times it's good information and it's led me

608
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.840
to that next lead or that next communication. But that

609
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:12.159
could be the likes of Ms.

610
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:12.760
Vannerak.

611
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.199
So if she does reach out to me after covering

612
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.360
these two answer any of these questions, we'll do some

613
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:21.480
follow up in the future. And that brings us to

614
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:25.039
September one, nineteen eighty four. Laura Ann Miller. She was

615
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:30.599
abducted from a convenience store. Tim Miller receives an anniversary

616
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:33.280
I call it the anniversary finale letter. If you've heard

617
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.440
me talk about this letter, I started with it in

618
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.400
the very beginning of this entire presentation when I started

619
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.559
the podcast almost three years ago, and we're going to

620
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:44.480
be seeing it in two thousand and five as it

621
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:49.199
plays into the whole entire scheme of things chronologically. And

622
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:52.159
today we're just going to talk a little bit about

623
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.119
our experience with Tim Miller, the death of his daughter,

624
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.519
and we're going to see the letters, so we'll try

625
00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.320
to get through as much of that as we can.

626
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.960
It says all the bodies were Let me start with.

627
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:05.760
Tim Miller receives that anniversary letter in September of two

628
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.079
thousand and five, before two thousand and six. That six

629
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:13.199
that letter goes missing. That to me is very scary.

630
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:17.360
So to lose evidence in a major cold case inside

631
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.920
of a year is kind of astounding. Then to have

632
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.679
it actually pop up on the internet, not in just

633
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.039
the original version that Tim Miller had received, but also

634
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:29.960
in a secondary version where it appears as though somebody

635
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.079
tempted to trace the cutouts in writing. So I had

636
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.920
two versions, one of which he had never seen before.

637
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:42.360
Some of the background in the League City Field of

638
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.280
Stars or Deaths, as they refer to this particular area

639
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.159
in the crime scene in the Galveston area of Texas,

640
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.559
it says all the bodies were laid out in a

641
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:55.000
circle under trees, nude and laid out on their backs

642
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:57.639
with their arms crossed over their chests. So this is

643
00:36:57.639 --> 00:36:59.960
how the victims were found. And that's what you were

644
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.960
talking about, Harriet, about decoding the forensic evidence and the

645
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.880
way that they were positioned, posed and laid out. We

646
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.559
saw this in the occ case. This is how the

647
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:11.920
children were posed in that crime as well. They were

648
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.800
and then arms crossed across their chest. So why they

649
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:18.760
didn't put these two together, I guess again it's going

650
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:20.480
to be about time. I want to say that the

651
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.079
link analysis detective that I spoke with said that this

652
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:26.360
didn't come about. This idea or concept of link analysis

653
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:31.000
didn't come about until literally the nineties, and they called

654
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.159
it like a link analysis of blindness. Basically because of

655
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:38.679
proximity being so far away, time span being so distant

656
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:42.679
in between, that people didn't naturally put these things together.

657
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.039
And that was in art that they were training for

658
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:48.639
in the nineties. And when he became a link analysis detective,

659
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.119
it says she was last seen using a payphone at

660
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:57.239
a convenience store. This is the same same store as Fhi.

661
00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:59.000
By the way, Heidi.

662
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:02.239
Five was real by.

663
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:10.559
Yeah, yeah, I think you're right, Heidi Villareal Fi. Either way,

664
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.559
some of the sightings of the individuals that were, you know,

665
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.159
stopping to help people on the road, they stated that

666
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:18.840
they were dressed almost as if they were officers or

667
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.280
a security guard, so they were obviously in whatever type

668
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:28.480
of clothing that or suits like a security guard would wear.

669
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:30.679
And we know that during this time frame.

670
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.840
Jack was actively acting as a security guard in fact

671
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:37.719
for Hewlett Packard, so him having access. So it really

672
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.480
just boils down to when we talk about all this evidence,

673
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:43.599
and Jack fits it so well. He was in the

674
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.039
Air Force, had access to air Wingwalker's shoes that were

675
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.199
in the Zodiac cases during the time of these I

676
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:54.360
forty five murders is actively a security guard and has

677
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.079
access to that type of clothing, the vehicles being similar

678
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:01.400
to the sightings of vehicles in these cases. There's just

679
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:07.800
so many things that link Jacket's unreal Let's see, so Jack,

680
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:10.360
I didn't find out until Tim Miller came out to

681
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.079
visit us, but Jack actually had friends in the next

682
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.679
zip code to Tim Miller that is consistent with the

683
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:17.960
zip code from which the letter is sent in two

684
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.360
thousand and five and was mailed out of Texas. This

685
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:25.599
friend had a daughter named Krystal, and that Krystal eventually

686
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:30.199
ended up being Jack's youngest son, Charles's girlfriend for many years.

687
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:33.480
I don't believe they're still together anymore today, but they

688
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:36.079
were together at the time that Tim Miller came out

689
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.800
to visit us. They were still dating at that point

690
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:41.280
in time, so they had been dating for well at

691
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:44.039
least probably since the two thousand and five era till

692
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:49.000
whenever they broke up after two thousand and nine, when

693
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.199
I got involved with the case. I do have the

694
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:56.400
links to the images from image Shack in regards to

695
00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:58.599
the letter. So the top one is the image of

696
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.480
the letter that was actually cut and pasted out of

697
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.760
a magazine, just like many of the communications that we've seen.

698
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.360
It was written to Tim Miller in two thousand and

699
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:11.119
five by someone hiding it says behind the name. Oh,

700
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.679
this was sent to me by somebody hiding behind the

701
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.840
name Sad Badge via emails two year ten. Yeah, Sad

702
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:20.320
Badge sent these to me. And so the second one

703
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:24.320
is actually website to the I forty five Murders where

704
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.800
you will view all of these different victims that we

705
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:33.199
have listed down here that are still currently unsolved murders today.

706
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:36.760
To the right, I have a picture of Laura and

707
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.480
is it Laura Ann? But it almost looks like that,

708
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:44.920
says Laura Lynn Miller. Maybe it does say Anne, Laura

709
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:52.519
Ann Miller. Anyways, yeah, Laura Lynn. But even the dates

710
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.639
is nineteen eighty six, Do I have her in the

711
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:55.599
wrong contact?

712
00:40:56.000 --> 00:41:02.280
That's when they That's when they found her remains.

713
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:04.599
And oh gotcha.

714
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:08.599
September tenth, nineteen eighty four, when she was gone.

715
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:12.199
September first, nineteen eighty four, okay, And then February second,

716
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.280
nineteen eighty six, almost two years basically or a little

717
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:16.800
over two years basically too.

718
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:17.960
Found her remains.

719
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.079
And of course I believe that her remains were found

720
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.000
on property owned by Abel, correct.

721
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:30.280
I think, though, But it's an old it's an old

722
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:36.000
Phillips sixty six pumping jack station. That's when I got there.

723
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.280
That was okay. That helped solve a whole bunch of

724
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:45.000
other forty five cases. All the evidence there, and whoever

725
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:48.639
placed her there knew how to do this and placed

726
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:52.599
her next to other victims or approximately twenty twenty feet

727
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:57.960
from another victim, and was actually telling a horrible story.

728
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:01.159
Well, in many of these victims, many of these victims

729
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:05.039
that were buried here, they found additional hands and bones

730
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:08.400
of other victims inside the grave. So as if the

731
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:11.840
perpetrator returned to the grave where he buried one body

732
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:15.239
and then dumped off hands from another victim head here

733
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:19.559
and in the in the mob concept of things and

734
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:23.039
trying to prevent an identification from being made, separating the

735
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:26.239
hands in the head would would stall that investigation in

736
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:28.320
order to figure out who it was they had there

737
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.519
that was dead, which would prolong the ability to actually

738
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:35.599
connect that back to the actual murderer. So the misplacing

739
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.079
of these bones, We've seen it happened wet in the

740
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:41.079
Santa Rose hitchhiker murders. We've seen it happen here in

741
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:47.440
the fort five, and we've seen in different different don

742
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:48.760
alas exactly and.

743
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:54.000
The parts and playing it out and when you see

744
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.159
it from an aerial view is actually telling a story.

745
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.320
And I want to say that when I was looking

746
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.480
at some of these suspects going through these cases, the

747
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:05.800
head or scholl of one victim would be found even

748
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.880
states away. Now they wanted to throw down with maybe

749
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.199
a coyote traveled that far, but I would have to

750
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:14.119
assume that even coyotes kind of have like their area

751
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:16.159
where they stay in. You know, they're not gonna Ooh,

752
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:23.360
I found a school. Let me run to Colorado. Some

753
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:26.840
things don't sound logical either way. I wanted to cover

754
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:33.400
some background information. Let's see here. So on February thirteenth

755
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:36.679
of twenty twenty two, Tim Miller actually calls me out

756
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.239
of the blue. Oh, let's back this up. Tim Miller

757
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:43.039
came to visit Dennis and I in I want to

758
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:48.360
say twenty ten, after I had basically i'd say, deciphered

759
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:51.360
the communication that was sent to him. I believe that

760
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:54.159
it was a finale letter where the Zodiac was taking

761
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.760
credit for all the crimes that he had committed, the

762
00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:59.639
Phantom murders, such as Texarcana Phantom.

763
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:01.559
The I forty five.

764
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:05.519
He's talking about the eighties series, so evidently there's two

765
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.559
different series of murders that occur a both the eighties

766
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:13.159
and seventies. And wrapping all of that information up around

767
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:15.119
what I knew about the Zodiac, I reached out to

768
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.719
Tim Miller and I sent him my work and.

769
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:19.079
Said that I think we need to speak.

770
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.639
He almost immediately contacted me and then came in with

771
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:26.199
Steph Watts, which was his producer and filmer, while we

772
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:29.519
went through Jack's sheds, or at least they were Tennis's

773
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:31.400
sheds now at this point, but we were going through

774
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.960
Jack's stuff that Dennis had been hauling around with him

775
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:38.239
and storing for many years. And one of the things

776
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.360
that Tim Miller had indicated is that there was no

777
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.440
way that Jack could have been the author of this

778
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:47.280
letter because it was mailed out of Texas within the

779
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.920
zip code range near Tim Miller and that Jack was

780
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.719
not known to be in Texas in two thousand and five,

781
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:57.480
but on a visit where Dennis went to hang out

782
00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:59.320
with Tim Miller, they went to go look for some

783
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.119
evidence that was left at Jack's aunt's house. She had

784
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:05.639
some boxes of his belongings at one point in time.

785
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:08.719
She did, unfortunately, eventually end up getting rid of them.

786
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.280
She may not have understood what that meant to Jack,

787
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:13.679
because Jack showed up in two thousand and five wanting

788
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:16.079
these boxes back, only to find out that she'd gotten

789
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:18.119
rid of them because he had not been around in

790
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:20.440
so many years that she didn't feel like she was

791
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.639
just going to keep hoarding or keeping hold of this stuff,

792
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:23.360
and she dumped it.

793
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:25.320
So this place is and she.

794
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:29.239
Places Jack in Texas in September of two thousand and

795
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:34.199
five to retrieve those boxes. And of course we just

796
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.280
talked about his relation to the zip code right next

797
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.079
to Tim Miller, which is the zip code in which

798
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:41.760
the letter was mailed out of to Tim Miller. There's

799
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:47.199
so many connections here, it's unreal. At one point in time,

800
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:49.679
I had literally sat down and gone through all of

801
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.440
the pictures that Jack had taken while in Texas. Because

802
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.519
I had stated he visited home a lot. Nearly every holiday,

803
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:57.960
he would make it home to see Mom. And these

804
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.719
pictures all revolved around solved murders and deaths that occurred

805
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:05.079
during those times, and I could actually relate every single

806
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.599
picture to the I forty five unsolved murdered list. I

807
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:12.599
want to say there was about nineteen twenty five murder victims,

808
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.159
and I had a picture that placed Jack in Texas

809
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:18.920
during all of these times. Those pictures went missing while

810
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:22.000
Tim Miller and Steph Watts were at my house. One second,

811
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:24.239
they were on my pool table with all the evidence

812
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.760
that we had pulled out of Jack's stuff, and then

813
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.440
a fight ensued because Tim Miller and I think it

814
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.000
was Steph Watts actually told me that Jack wanted to

815
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:37.400
sell or sorry, Dennis wanted to sell them the IDs

816
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.679
of the victims. So evidently Dennis had told us for many,

817
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:43.559
many years that he had all the IDs from these victims.

818
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:45.920
I don't know if that information is true and that

819
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:48.559
all their ideas were ever missing. That's not something that

820
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:50.960
you see in these cases when they released the information

821
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:54.599
on it. But that infuriated me because I wasn't in

822
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:56.840
this to sell things. I wasn't in this to make things.

823
00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:59.840
I'm here, I am working for free, basically doing this case,

824
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:04.039
and to hear that caused me to question Dennis. Dennis

825
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:06.599
got upset with me because now I don't trust him

826
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:09.199
and I'm questioning him, and he never said this to

827
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.000
Steph Watson, Tim Miller. I don't know if that I'll

828
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.599
ever figure out the truth of this matter. Either way,

829
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:18.320
when that fight ensued, we both separated out of that room,

830
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:21.119
leaving all the evidence on that table. When we came

831
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:23.880
back in to go over it, those pictures were gone.

832
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:26.599
I was no longer able to establish a pattern of

833
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:28.119
Jack being in Texas.

834
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:31.159
Without them, and I did not have them scanned into

835
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.760
my system at that point in time. I think that's

836
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.920
probably what preempted me at that point to start scanning

837
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.239
every single piece of evidence that Dennis brought me that

838
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:41.119
belonged to Jack, and I would have him bring me

839
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:44.079
tubs of Jack's paperwork, which is how I walked through

840
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:49.159
Jack's life in this presentation. Either way, I was very

841
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:51.760
very sound on the fact that this is the zodiac.

842
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:57.400
And then I guess Tim Miller had his own suspect

843
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:01.199
this gentleman over here to the right. Clyde Heddrick, he

844
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:05.079
believes was involved with the oil industry and what they

845
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.239
referred to as superfudge in his letter, he believed mentor

846
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:12.960
tied back to barrels or oil drums of sludge that

847
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:16.239
was pulled and categorized, kind of like the anthrax strains

848
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:19.760
at Arizona University. That way they could tell if somebody

849
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:23.639
else piped into somebody's rights and started pulling the stuff,

850
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:26.519
the oil from underground, they can cross compare that with

851
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:28.719
those barrels to see whether or not that person had

852
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.480
the rights to that particular oil. And he believed this,

853
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:33.440
Clyde Hedrick. But you can see this guy up here.

854
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:35.639
He's got no teeth. He doesn't look like he's well

855
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:36.320
to do at all.

856
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.800
He's so dumb. Okay, when I got intends to do

857
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:44.960
with Robert abel and very intelligent people, this guy is

858
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.039
so dumb. He doesn't even know where the moon is

859
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:51.800
in the sky. His mind was just not there. So

860
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.760
for Tim Miller to say, Okay, I'm going to go

861
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.800
for a civil lawsuit against this guy, and when.

862
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.400
It doesn't make sense to get it nothing. Yeah, he

863
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.960
did a wrongful death suit. But in twenty fourteen, and

864
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:06.480
he won that for an amazing amount of money, which

865
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:08.199
we're going to have to We're going to have to

866
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:10.920
climb into this information later because we are now down

867
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.559
to our last thirty seconds about But we will pick

868
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:18.199
up where we left off next week in the Laura

869
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:21.119
Miller case and more information about Tim Miller and his

870
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:25.599
happenstances in my life, in Dennis's life, and him actually

871
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:27.519
calling me back in twenty twenty two to see if

872
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:29.679
I really believe that Jack was the zodiac.

873
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.599
So I would like to know.

874
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.360
Sign off now, tell everybody thank you guys for both

875
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.679
being here. Everybody have a great weekend and we will

876
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:38.840
see you next Friday.

877
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:41.679
Bye bye, happy weekend.

878
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:43.800
Everybody next Friday. Every good

879
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:01.519
Zing zam