Zodiac Jack W. Tarrance 2000-2001

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0:52 Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. I'd like to welcome to the show today, Knowing del Campo. Good morning, everybody, Good morning. I got really excited doing this episode this last week. When I was doing the research, I realized we have finally caught up to the timeframe in which Dennis Kaufman is starting to figure out that Jack is Zodiac, and a few very odd or should I say, coincidental things occurred at that same time as I was putting it together, which really kind of flooded my body with goosebumps and made me almost want to fall off the chair. So I want to start by bringing up the PowerPoint presentation and share some of my signs with everyone. Okay, okay, so basically, two to two two has been a number of mine for quite some time. It represents balance and harmony, it's an angel number. I don't throw a lot of belief into these things, but it was something that I was seeing quite frequently and eventually had tattooed.

1:56 On my foot. We can see that down here. So one of the things that occurred that sent goose bumps up my spine was the fact that when I was making the album cover for this particular episode, it actually had it is episode number two two two, and that two to two font that is found in this particular album cover is exactly the font that was used for the twos in my tattoo. So at first that was like just an odd coincidence or obviously I like this form. I suppose because the font. For the presentation has been set since twenty thirteen, and the two two two I probably got somewhere around twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three, so vast difference between the timeframe in which these fonts were chosen.

2:44 What album cover do you refer two? This one right here? So it says episode two two two, oh okay, and those twos are the style of twos I had done. This is the crappiest tattoo I own, And of course the guy who did it blundered it, you know in basically scarred my foot pretty bad doing it. Either way, I still love it. It still represents the two two two fashion and to know that episode two twenty two were going to be introducing the research and when Dennis begins to figure out that he believes Jack is the zodiac. Aside from that, as I'm doing, what's that.

3:24 It looks like a cross between a cobra and an Egyptian cat. Well, it's supposed to be a heart around it, and again he ran one two up into one corner, so you can't really differentiate it from the others. I know what it is and that's what matters to me. But the so that not being planned was kind of a shocker. And also while I was typing in the date, so I'm trying to be vigilant about when these episodes air, and I typed in the date three twenty twenty six and as I was typing that date in, I looked down at the clock on the computer and it actually said three twenty six pm. I was like, ook, okay, there's my there's massign Anyways, I did have at least one person reach out in regards to the last show that aired where we were talking about the Iron Dome, and it's at Dubstep Kid eight oh one, and it says the Iron Dome is advanced missile defense system that is very good because the enemies of Israel will launch rockets into Israel and basically launches a counter rocket to intercept, and it's really really good and can defend against quite a bit of incoming missiles. It says we are giving them a lot of aid and the relationship between us is basically unbreakable, and I'm not one hundred percent sure why, and that level of unity is actually hidden for the most part. I presume it has something to do with World War Two. My response obviously is ding ding, ding Ding.

4:55 I think you nailed it with your past statement. I feel that World War Two was its own agenda to give them access to the US and there it all begins. So I feel like, do they have pictures on naked presidents, do they have the inside information in regards to what really went down in World War Two that they are withholding from the rest of Americans. And the rest of the world. There's something going on there. If we're going to keep giving them money, making sure they're safe, and for gosh sakes, if they have the Iron Dome, I would assume we do as. Well too, right is Israel? Yes, Okay, So he's saying he doesn't understand why we keep doing what we do for these people, and of course I have those same questions, and I think most of America should as well.

5:42 Anyway, just on the Israel issue. In the Sacramento be today, there's an article about the Assistant Secretary of I forget what defense related governmental energy, but they refined because of Trump's invasion of Iran and his support for Israel, saying that Israel goded Trump into doing this and that's why another of the Europeans are supporting this effort. They don't want to jump in. They say it's that's between you and Israel. You know, we're not saying but they're not going to help. And they keep saying that the Democrats are all for Israel and foreign funding and all of these things. But I also like to include that Trump is former Democrat.

6:27 Just because he plays a Republican president doesn't mean that his agendas doesn't align with all of the politicians. And I was also talking about invading Cuba. Really like a repeat of history all over again. And yeay Venezuela, they won the baseball How did they liu werld series right right after we stole their president? I don't I just don't even understand whatever. Well, we left off late nineteen ninety nine with Jack last week, so we're kind of just following him around at this point. He's a loose cannon running around. Nora has passed away, he does not have that responsibility anymore.

7:12 And so we see him go to Arizona, and then there was talk about him moving to at least Stephen Dohurst's books that he went to Texas, but Dennis said he went to Oregon, and I have some proof here that he was actually an organ for a short period. So on November eighteenth and nineteen ninety nine, perduhurst book, Jack received a speeding ticket in Snowflake, Arizona, which is one hundred miles east of flag Staff near Springerville, where Nora I can't talk now. Nora had family, So there is an indication that he is moving east from Arizona, which may be putting him back into Texas as Dohurst as thought. But in nineteen ninety nine we also show that Jack is an organ and at least mid two thousand then he returns to Auxton Austin, Texas, So he may have made a short trip between Arizona and Oregon to Texas but ultimately went back to Texas after Oregon.

8:11 And I show that this this fax receipt here is a fax paper in which case Jack is sending a request for a pharmacist for some medications. And u ancestry dot com actually shows that Jack Terrence owned a PO box in Eugene, Oregon from January first of two thousand to September third of two thousand and four. Now I don't know if he just pays for him for blocks at a time, so maybe he pays four years in advance, or why he would continue to keep something like that since he literally left the area shortly after. But when I was looking at this this fax page here, and the consideration that the Tom Voight letters were recognized by Charles Jack's son as being Jack's handwriting, I notice a lot a lot of consistencies inside of this fact page that were comparative not only to the zodiac, but the deer dashboard letters to things as far back as black Dah.

9:10 Yeah. And then I started plotting out some of the different things I was seeing inside the Tom Voight letter. So we've I've placed them here around it. And one of them is this angular first hump or bottom uh yeah, the bottom ye shape of the W. The first one is angular, and then it leans the mid section and the right section actually leans to the right with a curvature that occurs at the top of the right hand side of the W. And we can I blew up this word when and that's from Jack stand ready. So I looks, uh, looks like cursive, a little bit cursive. And and it's almost when you first glance at it and you think it's cursive, there's actually printing correct it.

9:54 But it's it's more like a print connect. So he's he's using a script type feature like with the the word with We can see that the T bar actually extends up into the H and comes back down. Oh, I have the width somewhere else. This is actually inside of the Tom Voyd letter. But I was more or less pointing out these w's. I took a look at the letter H over here from the word when with Jack, and those h's are formed and shaped pretty much near identical to what. Jack writes like. And this is out of Tom Voyd's letters. All of these. Keys very tall stems, and that's what I noted in the Tom boyd letters were these very tall stems, and we know that Jack had them tall stems and tall and long lower extenders as in the word computer. With this P right here and this very angular bowl, we can see that that was something that was clearly used throughout the progression of these letters, including this double stroke open bottom end of the P that has this pointed bottom portion. And so some of these characteristics being pointed out are things that he probably thought he was concealing, but clearly they're still within the wheelwell. And even if he thought he was disguising his handwriting, he's still using forms that he uses because that's how the brain works.

11:20 So this actually was done on February tenth of two thousand. He's faxing the pharmacy from an organ number. So that's how I know he's an organ, because the facts number on it is an organ, all right. And now we are into the beginning of Dennis starting to figure things out. And Dennis watches the America's Most Wanted feature on the Zodiac Killer and with John Walsh, and he comments to Rick, who is Mary's husband and now Mary is Nora's daughter, but he comments to Dennis comments to Rick that the composite matches Jack. And of course this is from Dennis's book that he wrote and I believe two thousand and eight before I ever even met him. It says June of two thousand, I left Lacey, Washington to head back home, it to Eugene Organ. When I got back, I told Joy that I think Jack might be the Zodiac Killer.

12:17 She asked me if I had smoked my breakfast. I told her that I was serious, and briefly, I know. I said that some of these things that he puts in the book is just great, he says I. She asked me, oh, I told her that I was serious and briefly explained what led me to believe this. After hearing the reason, she thought it was a good possibility that he could be Zodiac. I knew that I couldn't do much as far as investigate living in Eugene, Organ because everything that I needed was in California. About two weeks later, we oh, so if Dennis I didn't read this before the facts, If Dennis is the one that's an organ, that's why Jack is there with Charles, probably trying to hop around, I'm guessing and find a place to be. But if he's in Eugene, Organ, then that's why Jack probably went there because everything I needed was in California. About two weeks later, we were packed up and headed to Sacramento. The first person I wanted to talk to was Gary, Jack's nephew. Gary did not like his uncle Jack, so he would be willing to help me, and I believe Gary has reached out to me. Even though he's made some comments via the YouTube channel, he's not really reached out and spoke to me personally, but I wish he would if he hears this says. The next day, after arriving in Sacramento, we went to see Gary.

13:37 I told him that I thought his uncle Jack was the Zodiac Killer. I asked Gary if he was around Jack in the late sixties, and he said that he was. Gary said him and Jack were driving in or around Oakland when Jack saw black man walking and decided to run him over. For no apparent reason. I told Gary to just think about it and I will stop by tomorrow. The next day, Gary looked like he had a rough night. He looked at me and he said, it's him. He was up all night reading about Zodiac on the internet. Joy and I started reading everything we could about the Zodiac Killer. The more information we had, the more accurate we would be in determining whether Jack was Zodiac or not.

14:17 Gary mentioned that Jack had converted an old school bus into a motor home in the late sixties. This is the bus I believe that his brother in law and sister owned that they were busted in nineteen sixty three with an illegal gambling. They had taken a bunch of people up the hill in this bus and were gambling on it and then set up I think one of Jack's brothers to come in and act like he was going to rob the bus, and they got busted because the people on the bus overtook. Those that were running the gambling operation. Oh wow, And so I think that bus was then eventually it became Jack's. At some point I asked Gary what.

14:58 Type of gun Jack had back then, and the one pistol that he remembered was a forty five caliber. He also remember hearing Jack and his son Barry talking about this girl they had picked up hitchhiking. They picked her up in a truck and camper and had pulled off the road somewhere and took her into the camper and raped her. This made me wonder if Barry knew who his dad was, or maybe even helped. Barry died in nineteen eighty one. Jack does have another biological son named Dennis, and he is still living. When I briefly mentioned the possibility of his dad being the Zodiac, his reaction led me to believe that he may know who his dad is, or at least that he has committed murder. I remember reading a letter that Dennis sent his dad, and you got to remember, there's two Denniss here. We have Denny and we have Dennis, and Dennis is the biological son of Jack. I'm sorry, Denny is the biological son of Jack.

15:49 But he's calling him Dennis in this book because that is his name. But that's how they differentiated each other from one another. Dennis Kaufman was Dennis, and Dennis Terrence was. Denny was in the military. Yes, and we're going to get to that right here. I suspect him of being an accomplished Yeah. I remember reading the letter that Denny sent his dad while he was in Vietnam. I don't remember the whole letter word for word, but I remember the last part of it very well. Denny ended his letter to his dad Jack with Dad, I killed sixteen gooks today, and you would have loved it here because hunting season is open all year this state, right.

16:31 I guess it's the most dangerous game exactly. This statement that Denny made in his letter to his dad establishes that Denny knows his dad likes to hunt. Denny clearly stated that he had killed sixteen people that day. This clearly establishes that humans are being hunted. This indicates to me that Denny knew his dad liked killing people. That's why he said his dad would love it there, because because you can kill people all year long. That's just discussful, but it is what it is. Oh, apple didn't fall too far from. The tree at all, and so it so. Dennis reports this to the FBI and the SFPD, And during this time Dennis turns over Jack's DNA for testing, but it's botched by SFPD in I want to say two thousand in a pooling error, as they called it. They claimed to have ended up with two different DNA samples, and Dennis believed it was because they pulled the sample from under the actual lip of the envelope and from under the stamp, when in reality, when Dennis thinks back about the spatoon Jack had and how he would have everybody spit in it, and then he would use that spit in that spatoon to seal any of his letters or to what his.

17:51 It just makes me sick to think about this. But gross, it's totally gross. So it's possible the dual sample or the dual DNA sample was because of how Jack also sealed these particular envelopes and unbeknownst to SFPD they would not have known something like that, or it. Was more incompetence by the SFPD. Well, and there was this huge thing going on in the early two thousands which Gerald Brown, our former governor, had to out the SFPD because the lab department was busted for not only using drugs, but stealing drugs from evidence, falsifying tests, which means that they also could have been told to come out with a negative on this on this particular exam for Jack, because SFPD has been so negative towards Dennis from day one when he came with this information, SFPD was just round filing it. They weren't responsive to the FBI. They weren't trying to help Sonoma County Sheriff's Department do the palm print examination or fingerprint examination.

18:53 They were doing whatever they could to stall and elongate the timeframes in which they should have really gon on it and handled it, especially after the way they treated Deborah Perez, who was totally a false suspect and they gave her hundreds of hours of investigative time. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because I do a lot of reading on books involving various police departments in big cities. And the way it works is you see, the higher up, higher ranking the officers center, the more likely they are to be corrupt. Right. Yeah, you have to play the politics, and that. Means passes you're doing your job most of the time. Yeah. Well, and the only way you make it that way, they say, is playing the politics. Now, to play the politics means that you have to buddy buddy up handshake agreements let people off of things, falsify information for them, or at least not tell on somebody when they do.

19:47 That's the politics of getting higher up. Well, it's kind of like that mayor that we talked about in New York who said, or the attorney in New York who said he wasn't going to run for mayor because he knows that they would have killed him, because he would have been honest, he would have not done the handshake deals behind the back, right. Yeah, I could relate to that. So per Dennis's book, in mid two thousand, Jack moves with Charles back to Austin, Texas. So I started I started seeing more unsolved murders. But in September of two thousand, September second of two thousand and thirty six years of age, Angela and Dominick Hudson out of Conrod, Texas, we see. A lot of unsolved murders. For Conrod, Texas is a missing person and the DNA identifies I guess remains that have been found. So released from Montgomery County jail on nine to two of two thousand.

20:38 September ninth of two thousand, family reported her missing and then on January fourteenth, two thousand and one. ATV writer finds skeleton remains on a wooded lot at the corner of michaeleb Road in FM twenty eight fifty four in Montgomery, Texas. So we're starting to see the murders pick up. And this is no different than Jack moving to Arizona for that split second thing that he did in the triple homicide that occurred thirteen minutes away. This one is just kind of reliving because we're going to climb into the Viwinovitch case. And this is another senator whose daughter is killed while they are camping. Are campaigning, not camping, campaigning. Well, And this is the second senator that we've seen this happen to well while campaigning.

21:22 Their child was killed. So it says Cleveland, the nine year old daughter of Lieutenant Governor George Vowinovinch was killed in a traffic accident shortly after noon yesterday. Euclid General Hospital spokeswoman Maryland Deblicher said the victim was positively identified as Molly Vwinovich at the hospital after being pronounced dead on arrival at twelve fifty five pm. Cleveland police said that the child was struck by a van at about twelve thirty at the intersection of East one seventy ninth and Shenley Streets in the northeast portion of Cleveland. She reported She reportedly was walking home from all of her hazard's school and was crossing a street protected by a crossing guard when the accident occurred. Details of the accident remained unclear. And that to me is just odd. You've got a crossing guard your crosswalk, and a van blows through and kills the potential senator's daughter, because mind you, he's the mayor at the or governor, governor at lieutenant governor.

22:21 At this point, she. Details of the accident remained unclear. Police said the driver, a nineteen year old Cleveland area residence, stopped at the scene. He is being held while the investigation is being completed. Police said the accident occurred about six blocks. What's that? What about the guy doing traffic? You know, he supposed to be watching out for these kids. Yeah. Yeah, he's supposed to be the one making sure that nobody blasts through, and he's supposed to guard them. Stop. Are you supposed to step out of the biggest stops. Are exactly Yeah? Well, it goes on to say that, but when Avich is a repub Bublican candidate for mayor in Cleveland government.

23:02 James Rhodes said from his Columbus office, the death of nine year old Molly Vawenovich was a number numbing shocked to all of us who have become so close to the Winnovitch family in the past two years. Public service is a family affair with the Vwenovitches, and Molly, along with her brothers and sisters, spent the summer of nineteen seventy eight campaigning all over Ohio with their father. Her bright spirit and love for her parents made her a great young campaigner. He added. The unexplainable and untimely loss of their child will be a crushing blow to George and Janet, and I pray their strong religious faith will sustain them in the dark hours they are now experiencing, Rhodes said, adding his sympathy and condolences to the entire family. Mayor Dennis Kusinich Kusinich who Kusinich, who is running against Mawenovich in the November sixth election, said he and his wife are shocked and deeply saddened by this tragedy. Our deepest sympathies go out to the entire Bwenevich family. Kusinich also said he is canceling all his scheduled campaign appearances for an indefinite time.

24:08 And a little bit more I read in Wikipedia is on October eighth of nineteen seventy nine, a few days after the primary, but Winovich's nine year old daughter Molly was struck by a van and killd. The event brought the Vewenovich. Campaign to a virtual halt and made it difficult for Kusinich to attack his opponent. Still, he challenged Bowenovitch to a series of debates in various Cleveland neighborhoods. Vowenovitch declined the invitation, saying the debates would be unproductive, but they did debate on November third at the City Club. Vowenovich won the election with ninety four thousand, five hundred and forty one votes to Kusinich to Kucinich's seventy three thousand, seven hundred and fifty five votes. So to me, oh, the agenda just screams out loud. Well, yeah, I bet they thought that this would stop Vowenovich in his tracks and it didn't just like the other senatory lesson. Yeah, because there's now going to be all this empathy for Vewenovich from the masses based on him staying strong, continuing to move forward in his political campaign even though he had lost his daughter.

25:17 And I don't know many people who could do that. I'm sorry. My political campaign would not override my ability to want to be with my family during these times there. You couldn't pay me enough. That's yeah, it's odd. It's almost like you your soul of the devil? Do you remember? Right? One child? And the reason why that I even bring this passed up from nineteen seventy nine is because it plays right on into this propaganda and these agendas that we see happening. Because Bwenovich eventually receives a letter which is very very much Zodiac like. So strange happenings. Let's see updates swindle. Okay, So basically this thinking of you sticker and have a nice day sticker evidently were Valentine's Day stickers that were included in I believe the Halloween card from the Zodiac. Now, when we look at this letter that we're going to talk about, it's very reminiscent of these two particular stickers, which there is a theory that these stickers were taken from a box of chocolates Valentine chocolates that were left on a wall at the scene of the Swindles murder way back in the nineteen sixties or earlier maybe even yes, yes, and it was the long shooter twenty two long rifle bullets, like all the similarities, and possibly the watch that was missing from mister Swindle that may potentially have been the clue left at the Sherry Joe Bates crime scene. So

26:49 it's these crossover connections between these pieces of evidence that make them compelling. So I love this as they throw gibbs, that's that's NCIS. That's right, that's that. Leroy Jethro Gives is the lead investigator on NCIS, and I love his rules and his rule number thirty nine. There are no such things as coincidences. So oh there. I did bring up an article, and this is regards to the San Diego A newlywed's couple stroll along a picturesque stretch of beach ended in horror when a sniper's bullet cut them down from behind. And the excerpt on this is on a ledge of the retaining wall, police found a box of Valentine candy. Police assumed the Swindles bought the candy while on their stroll, but they said it could have been left behind as a deranged killings calling card. I think they nailed it, like this is a very very old calling card. So this is the actual greeting card of a Winovich into in December of two thousand and we can see once again the thinking of you.

28:06 Type thing. So it says I'm sending this as four separate facts is but the only way, oh, I think this is actually notation from the person who's sending it. And date of transcription is one two of two thousand and one. Attached photographic coffee of the threatening communication received by Thewinovich's and on December twenty, two thousand, in which the unknown writer threatens the life of US Senator George Viva Winovich. This is the inside right page. Due to the way my. Scanning software in facts software work, the top line of each page is cut off. The top line on the inside of the left page says hey, you stinking white bitch.

28:48 The cogline on this page says we don't want no TV. Bullshit which is funny because as far as the Zodiac is concerned, he loves TV bullshit. It threatens us senator uses racial remarks, which is very consistent with the Atlanta, Georgia child killer. This author is often writing about the real story needs to be told, or he's saying want no Tom Voyd TVBS. This is after the two thousand airing of John Walsh's America's Most Wanted on the Zodiac with Tom Voight and I laughed, aha. So the December twenty a two thousand greeting card and I don't think there's anything.

29:33 Yeah. This was actually, I believe, found on zodiacciphers dot com and it refers to this particular letter. It says a business reply envelope postmark Cleveland, Ohio, March second, nineteen eighty one, bearing the press printed address the Dan Barry meant Richards Avenue, PO Box fifty two to sixty, Norwalk, Connecticut, contained the message please stop force bussing or I will kill three more black boys in Atlanta in March. So here's that cross connection. Betwe yes Atlanta, Georgia and this particular communication. Six days later, a letter claiming to be from the Zodiac killer arrived at the television station WXIATV eleven alive at sixteen eleven West Peach Street, Atlanta, three zero three zero eight on March eighth of nineteen eighty one, stating Hello, it's me. Haven't you people figured out who's killing these little people yet? I therefore went in search of other communications from these postmark locations that bore any similarity to the Zodiac Killer. The following fine is extremely unlikely to have any connection to the Bay Area murderer, but it was a threatening greeting card that carried the same message apparently included with the Zodiac Killers October twenty seventh, nineteen seventy Halloween card. The arrival date carries some significance. The card was postmarked just twenty two days before the two thousand and one Happy New Year's Zodiac greeting card, which was mailed to the San Francisco Chronicle in January tenth of two thousand and one, and it was postmarked from Cleveland, Ohio, just like the March second, nineteen eighty one letter above.

31:06 Very interesting coincidences. Let's see, I don't know if I've seen, oh, the Happy New Year card. I wonder if they're referring to the I'm not sure if I know which one that was, unless they're referring to the Groucho Marx Christmas card. Either way, it was a threatening communication cut into four pieces and mailed to the Republican Headquarters, five twenty six Superior Avenue, Northeast Cleveland, Ohio on December nineteenth, two thousand, to US Senator George Bowinovich and received on December twentieth, two thousand. Two stickers apparently came with the Zodiac Halloween card in nineteen seventy with the messages thinking of you and have a nice day. This greeting card, adorned with an image of flowers, also came with the message thinking of You. Three parts of the handwritten threat stated, Hey, you stinking white bitch, we don't want no TV bullshit, and we will cut off your head and impale it on a sphere. The envelope bore a ZIP code of four four one two six Dash nineteen oh six and a thirty three cent upside down General Omar North Bradley's stamp.

32:10 So now we have the placement of the stamp that is also similar with the Zodiac killer who would turn his stamps upside down in his mailings. Who so we have the postmark of Cleveland, Ohio. And then he's talking about those bastard muni drive the majority black and Asians. What happened to the white people drivers we once had? So again a very racist remark. Vouenovich opposed lowering tax rates. He frequently joined Democrats on tax issues, and in two thousand was the only Republican in Congress to vote against a bill providing for relief from the marriage penalty. Ooh, he's making some people mad. I'm guessing previous suspected Zodiac communications the author had targeted many notable Democrats, so the fact Senator Vuenevich frequently joined the views. However, it might be stressed that this greeting card was unlikely to have been mailed by the Zodiac killer, despite some of the overlapping features. I don't think when I compare the handwriting, I don't feel like that this is unlikely at all.

33:13 So in the two thousand and five Tim Miller letter, we also see racist remarks about who he killed, all the ones who are white and look enough like her, and then no Mexican, no yellow, And I'm assuming he's meaning Chinese. So we're seeing that same hate rhetoric. So I kind of cross I cross reference with Winovitch, Republican who votes Democrat. There's threats. We've got Nixican Nixon who's a Republican and messages to Nixon and rfk FBI and Hoover calls out, calls him out as being incompetent, the CIA mob and political affiliation. Hirst Democrat el Hefe of media uses his UPI system to get messages out in the JFKA, the Democrat telling on those involved. Hillary a Democrat that was Republican when she was a young attorney on the Watergate case. Mob controlled both parties. I mentioned earlier another congressman, and we already talked about that that had also lost his Oh no, this one was mentioned earlier. A congressman that wasn't voted into office taking a Republican spot, was a Democrat and voted as a Democrat, turning the House votes.

34:26 So we're seeing this. Flip flopping back and forth of political parties. Interesting similar complaints as the greeting card sent to Senator Vowinovich, who lost his daughter during a primary run for office. We can see this is the letter here that we're going to be talking about. It is made out to mister editor something the Zodiac would say, dear sir, whoever you are, This just disgusting to read what seems to be a news that nobody really can hairs but the relatives of innocent citizens murder and our beloved San Francisco. So this is being mailed talking about San Francisco.

35:11 That looks like Jack's running. I'm telling you, like when I do the comparisons of these things, and here we have all the belltop A's that I believe once existed in the Zodiac communications that we have seen, probably removed over the years as the images made the Internet. But so it says, it's always the oh Man. That's a hard one to read. The petimist's fault. Never the bastard muni drive, the majority black and Asian. What happened with the white people drivers we once had? Are they all retard on welfare or at Laguna Honda.

35:54 I don't know what any of that means. But from now on there will be a muni driver executed for every citizen murdered in the streets of San Francisco. You thought I was dead, No, way this is I'm saying, yeah, this. Is I'm saying that. So basically it goes on a little bit more about the communication, and it says, let's see here, the two thousand greeting card was postmark twenty two. Oh, I already read that. To find the. Reason Senator George Voinovich was targeted, we have to look at his timeline on Wikipedia, where it states in the Senate, Vwinovich opposed lowering taxes. He frequently joined Democrats on tax issues.

36:37 I just read that in these other Yeah, okay, I'm not going to go back through that again. Now here's a direct comparison between a nineteen eighty six letter from the Zodiac, which was validated as a Zodiac communication by Terrence Pascal, a former document examiner who worked on the actual Zodiac case back in the day. And here is the envelope to the letter that we're talking about right now that was set to not only I mean this is actually then it's coming out of San Francisco on the tenth of January and it's mailed to. The San Francisco Chronicle. So we're seeing a combination of these working that air way back and forth. So this one follows the Bowinovitch letter that was mailed late December of nineteen ninety nine, and then in two thousand and one. Now you have to keep in mind that I'm not exactly sure what date Dennis confronts Jack with the information. We know that Dennis knows in two thousand, but at some point in time in two thousand and one, Dennis is letting Jack know that nobody's taking him seriously and they don't believe Jack is the Zodiac, and I think that's where we start to see the communications ramp up again this one here in two thousand and one. We're going to see some more for two thousand and one, including the Anthrax letters, But there were a lot of things in this particular spelling I'm spelling arrangement on this envelope that was very consistent, including the use of the additional four numbers in the ZIP code.

38:05 We're going to see this. Happen in the nine to eleven Anthrax or not nine to eleven, I think it was nine to eighteen, But that whole nine to eleven two thousand and one experience that occurred for that week and a half or so, we're going to see him using those for the last four digits of the zip code as well. And I put all of these pieces together at the very end of this presentation where I show all the consistencies between all the communications and how they cross over. So we'll look at that at another time. But the information and the way everything is done is pretty much zodiac one oh one. I have a couple of observations. First of all, the stamp on the one it's a little bit of skew.

38:48 So yeah, you know. And then the writing on the right looks like Jack's r. Righting on the left looks like maybe Jack trying to disguise. His writing, yes, and he understods how to disguise his handwriting on all you really need to do based on the Forefathers, You've got to remember, at this point in time, early two thousands, we haven't even had an established credibility as this being a scientific science that we can testify to in court until two thousand and eight. Up until that point, our forefathers indicated one significant difference in handwriting precludes us from identifying somebody as the author. So all he needed to do was change and correctly keep the change of one letter throughout that entire communication, and that would have prevented most document examiners from coming to a conclusion.

39:42 But not I. I mean, I clearly can look past that, especially when we're dealing with anonymous communications, if the person is very well educated in the art of handwriting identification, as I believe the zodiac was. He mentioned it in his letters. They were, it was mentioned in the Scorpions ciphers. To John Walsh. And then we see, you know, these subtle differences. But the other things that are very big is look at this M in mission and look at the M and mission over here. And in this one. If this is actually one of Jack's true ends, true n bell top A's. So he used some of his very consistent and known letters, but he changed things like the letter T. He turned into capital t's on this right instead of lowercase t's like they should be. So he changes one letter, and then that's supposed to preclude an identification of authorship, which I don't technically buy.

40:43 But I don't think you can get away from them Slanting some of those letters. Well, the right word slant is a normal considering the we're taught to write right word, and that creates especially if you're using speed and of writing that that lean will be a little more prevalent. But in printing, you know, a lot of it is straight up and down. Well it should be, you'd think, but not everybody straight up and down. That's the way we're taught. How we deviate that makes us able to identify. Who the author is. Yeah, I guess we agree on that. So yes, So in the Municipal Light, some of the information that I found interesting off of Wikipedia, or maybe I got yeah, this is Wikipedia. It says as they persisted in making efforts to buy out Muni Light and pressuring the Winovich into giving them the right to do so, but Winovich resisted.

41:40 Early in his. Tenure, he arranged for capital improvements to strengthen Muni Light's operation, and by nineteen eighty two it was able to complete compete with CEI. He asserted that the company was making attempts to cripple Muni Light by lobbying Council against much needed legislation. We still have a battle going on Thewenovitch set. The It says the rebuilding process began through Vwenovitch's administration, and improvements were made throughout the company, including equipment upgrades and increased wages for all employees. To reflect all the change, Municipal Lite officially changed its name to Cleveland Public Power. So this is just throwing it back into the power realm. And we know that General Electric is a big, huge thing in Jack's life and in some of these instances where such as John Boney Ramsay's company was purchased by General Electric for pennies on the dollar after they demised his reputation. So the power struggle is real. And I'm not sure which mess message board I took this off of, but it says by Rubislaw thirty two. This is a nice find, Richard. And at this early stage of examination, it is perhaps accepted that proof of a Zodiac link might be difficult, but very persuasive reasons that there may be.

42:58 The Dan Barry mint link of nine teen eighty one. Suggests that the Zodiac had visited that address prior, given a perception that the Zodiac took a keen interest in collecting miniatures, the stamp collecting, model making and even numismatic numismatics as possible hobbies, as well as astronomy and a following of the space race. All of that describes the Zodiac and Jack for this matter. He goes on to say that, let's see sugary coated sarcas, I'm thinking of you divorce settlement break Oh. So I thought was interesting is that the person mentions the reason that this author might have been triggered was a divorce settlement, A breakdown of a marriage, then viewed as a business arrangement to be mixed is quite likely to bring out the worst of someone who is likely to blame anyone else but themselves.

43:47 So we had Nora just die, right, So. All of a sudden, Jack goes from being very busy with her and her health to nothing on his hands and mad again, if you will. And then Dennis. Stumbling onto the fact that he believes that he is the Zodiac. So, knowing that Jack was purportedly moved back to Texas, we see another set of murders come across January twentieth of two thousand and one. Unidentified skeleton remains approximately fifty years of age. Wider Hispanic mail at the ten thousand block of Bilnowski Road. Willis Texas citizen operating bulldozer in a partially wooded area and unearthed dentures Further investigation uncovered skeleter remains. Denters bore the name Eton and the number thirty three eight four one, which may have been given through the Texas Department of Criminal Justice.

44:39 I don't know. I didn't know we paid for dentures, but evidently it looks like in corrections they were doing this. So interesting that this was somebody who came out of prison, obviously because he has dentures that can be identified. But I also thought it was interesting that Eaton happened to be the name of these dentures since Eaton bond of paper was used in the Zoe DAC stuff. So I just threw it in there. February first of twenty and one, twenty seven year old John David McGoldrick, eight thousand block of South Williams Road, Willis, Texas, was attended a gambling event near Willis. He reportedly won during the event and then traveled to the location with a friend where they played pool with other associates. Approximately ten pm, vehicles lights were observed approaching and a number of male suspects began yelling outside and demanding entry, at which time several shots were fired into the home through a closed door and windows, striking John. The suspects then entered the home, where they searched and removed cash. The suspects fled in at least two vehicles, And it didn't actually say who the people who did the people.

45:44 In the house identify? Like, did they know these people? Did they see who it was? There had to been some information that was there, they just hadn't reported it. They wanted money from the card game. Right, you never know showing back up to take their money back. Yeah, they would know where their money went. Here's my PEPSI shout out no royalties, guys, really quick. Back to Kusinich. Yeah, I thought I recognized the name. Yeah. Later he became a member of the House's representative member of Congress and twice in two thousand and four. In two thousand and eight, he ran for president Democrat ticket.

46:26 Really yeah, well recognized that. That's why I do the pronunciation so well, because yeah, yeah, he ran for president. Well, and it shows you how long these people are able to continue their dastardly stuff and you run our country. You lost to the Vinovich or whatever his name is or the other guy. Well, and it doesn't shock me. I have and still yeah, yeah, following in a while. I started getting my own kinds of like rhetoric from the Conservative Party. It was I was actually happy to see that they mailed both minds, mothers and my information in one envelope instead of sending two envelopes for this signature that they wanted and then one envelope to mail it both back. But here we are in twenty twenty six and we read the twenty sixteen stuff from that old guy a couple of weeks ago, But this one.

47:16 The Transparency Act requires the Independent State Auditor to conduct performance and financial audits and new taxes to identify potential savings from addressing waste and fraud. Requires the results to be posted publicly, and then the Voter Information Guide so voters know what we're getting and can be and can hold politicians accountable. Ah yeah, right, requires new taxes to comply with our state spending limits so that any excess revenues get refunded to taxpayers, not handed to the special interests. Why are we still dealing with this same stuff knowing year after year and decade after decade that the same people who continue to run our country are the ones that are running us into debt and into ground. I don't know.

47:57 March twenty third, twenty one, twenty year old bond callist Luna Perez, five thousand block of Sordis McClellan Road, Porter, Texas. March twentieth, two thousand and one. The Luna Perez illegally entered the US with thirty other people who were being kept at a residence until he began complaining of being ill. Suspect claimed he was taking Lunapez to the hospital and they got into a red Chevy Blazer S ten and Luna Perez was never seen again until his body was discovered. He had been beaten to death. So obviously this is some human trafficking that we. Have going on here. Wow. Oh well, we are down to our last minute and twenty seconds. So I don't know that I'm going to climb into Jack's book, But what we're going to be talking about next week is direct conversations. So what you're seeing right here right now is Dennis's book addressing making that phone call to Jack, because it says one day I felt like calling Jack and just asking him, are you the Zodiac? I thought about it for a while, I figured what the hell I wasn't getting anywhere with from the San Francisco police. I wanted to see what he would say and if he did admit it, how much he would he tell me? So I called him up and this was our conversation. So next week we're going to be picking up on these conversations and discussing what is in Dennis's book that I have transcribed for us to go over next week. Is there anything else you would like to add at this point?

49:20 Yes, we also need to go back to Black Dahlia for a minute next week. Well not next week, because what I have planned right now, I'm down to probably the last few weeks of this presentation. Then we can backtrack to those items. I want to kind of stay in rhythm right now because we're going to go through some very sketchy stuff on through the nine to eleven attacks and on into Tom Boyd's letters, on into the Tim Miller letter, and then I feel like once we get that out of the way, we can backtrack all we want to anything else because we have plenty of time to do. So word okay, perfect, All right, you guys, everybody have a wonderful weekend, and we will see you next Friday. Thank you Nolan, see you next Friday.