Zodiac Jack Speaks 2001

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0:52 Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. I'd like to welcome to the show today, Lindsay mcbrair, good morning, Good morning, and Nolan del Campo, good morning. All right, Well, I had some interesting conversations with some individuals this last week kind of played into they didn't know it last week's YouTube comment, which I have pulled back up because we briefly talked about it a little bit, and it was an individual discussing the Iron Dome, if you remember that one, Nolan, and he indicated that he wasn't sure what Israel had on the US, and he alluded to World War two being one of those founding events, which I pretty much concurred with based on what I've learned so far through the research of our history. So I reached out to a friend and I was having a conversation with her. She was sending me back and forth some videos and she also has the same feelings that Nolan has in regards to this whole is real Iran thing, which is interesting. It's not nothing I didn't know.

2:04 It was just that there were things I was not aware of. And she had mentioned the word Zionist. Are both of you familiar with this word? Yes? Yes, what is your interpretation? They think that they are. Obligated to something based on they that's how they get the the zion from the Bible, and they base it on that that they are the chosen people. Ah, yes, yes, and is that your understanding? No one, Yes, the chosen ones. But also the Rastafarians claim to be Zionists. Too, interesting, Yeah, and where do the Rastafarians come from? Jamaica, Jamaica, Africa, Africa.

2:56 Selassie from Ethiopia is who they worship. Okay, so yes, there is some tie into that based on it. So I asked my girlfriend what a Zionist was, and I asked her in short, because she's well researched, she's well versed and Her response in a four minute audio text to me was this, approximately nineteen forties, Rothchild, wealthiest family in the world, gave Palestine to the Jews of Eastern Europe being kicked out of Europe. They were given what was called the belfour Declaration, and they arrived by ship and the Palestinians welcomed them, and they destroyed the Palestinians and claimed Palestine for their own. So basically committing incense a genocide, right, basically no different than World War two.

3:45 Yep, that's right. It says they want to claim parts of Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, and Lebanon from the Nile to the Euphrates, and this is represented on the patch of their uniforms in flag. So basically they believe they are going odds chosen people, and everyone else is or is goyam is what they call it, which means water or nothing less than animals for them to use, abuse and destroy it. Well, it's a form of supremacy, not based on race, but on religious beliefs. They are anti Christian and anti Islamic, anti everything else but them. Not all Jews believe this way, but there are enough of them in Israel that do it is the nation of Israel's policies. They're Zionist policies, and it is why they have committed genocide with impunity and Palestine, and why they have, through propaganda and brainwashing, gotten the Christian nationals behind them. So they are called Zionists Christians who think that what is happening is bringing about the Second Coming. And these people believe this is going to speed up the second Coming of Christ, so they back the Zionists, and so we Christian Christian Zionists.

4:55 Now further responses. God does not act on stupid humans, dad gum, Timeline, I love her curse words, dad gum. The Bible is very clear about You're never gonna know when he's coming back if he decides to even bother with those dad gum people. I mean, geez, Louise, I don't know why God does bother with them. It's disgusting this whole world. But anyway, that's what Zionism is, and they don't care. They do not care about anyone but themselves. There are lots and lots of videos of them laughing at what they are doing to the United States because they are just using the United States they are taking billions from this country, three hundred and fifty one billion for their use, and they're getting us dragged into these dad gum endless wars. All our last wars were from the stupidness. Stupidity research it. It's all there on Google and all over Instagram. Epstein is a Masada agent recording dirt on people from all over the world, heads of state and wealthy people from all over the world. Why so Israel could use it as black material to get them to do whatever Israel wants them to do. They have a ridiculous dirt on stupid Trump because his name is mentioned so many crazy times in there, and this is my input, makes sense how he appeared out of nowhere with ridiculous wealth. We probably paid for this treeson this act, but it's sickening that our elite would take part, or that democratic government would withhold benefits from Americans and cause a stutdown of our government unless we agreed to

6:26 fund the foreign interest, which no doubt included Israel. She goes on to say, I think I sent the video where Trump is screaming no more Epstein bowser to be released because if it comes out, he's going to take us to war. He'll do whatever, and if he goes down, he's taking everyone down with him. And this was a video I watched on Instagram, but the way I perceived it was he was stating Marjorie Green Taylor or whatever her name was, that can take us to war. But if he goes down, he's taking everyone down, and I think he needs them, not necessarily us. So his threat is he is now counteracting that info bomb. And that's what I figured. Zodiac was an info bomb. He never had a bomb that he was going to set forth, but he had enough information. It protected him in a sense where he wasn't taken out because they didn't know where this information was. So to me, it seems like we're playing that same game here. Yeah. She says, all right, love, you take care, be careful with this mess because you know, just be careful, all right. Bye. She also believes that the nine to eleven was another way that they go to the US into warren Iraq. So she believes that Israel also part of this. But we definitely helped, and this is my words again, we definitely help trade it, let them get away with it and cover it up, just like the Epstein files. I have seen videos of Israel officials talking about getting info on every American our social media, medical records, buying habits you named it, in

7:57 order to charge us with a crime, so that our rights are taken in a way, especially if we speak out about them. This is very disturbing, in such a way that I can't begin to comprehend a planned operation for Israel to force people into their war agenda. I'm starting to believe that the two thousand and eight crash of our real estate market at that bankrupted and made homeless many Americans was likely another agenda that Epstein was paid to do. Remember the ADL crisis of KKK and the mob They create these kinds of scenarios. See, I can hardly believe the things that I'm seeing on these videos, and some of them is talking about adrenal blood and the possibility of our foods tainted with human sells or flesh.

8:38 But that's what's going around on Instagram, and Epstein seemed to be implicated in that, as well as many big corporations and industries. If they've achieved such things, it took a lot of powerful people to make it real. Now I see who John Ramsay might have upset in light of his father creating a runway for Fox Island, a pedophile island. Many of the same people named in this presentation can be tied back to Epstein in one way or another. They have more on Trump than we can possibly imagine. And this was the ploy and how he made it back into office, This was their agenda, this whole Iran thing. Everybody kept asking, how did he make it back into office? How did he make it back into office? Well, everything's upawn, everything's a play. I see Trump as someone they could force into war based and now what they did or now what they what did they?

9:28 Oh? I'm asking now what did they have on Bush to force him into the Iraq war? Oh? That went down? That would all the way back to his father. I know, I know. But these people have information, clearly, And if these individuals, the elite, weren't such sickos, nobody would have this information on him. You guys got played. You guys got sent right into the heart of the lion's den with Epstein, and every single one of them gobbled it up. And now you want to cry, Oh, if I go down, I'll take everyone down. Americans shouldn't be paying for your guys dirt. We didn't do this, you did. Yeah, all right, that's the end of my little rant. But research I can tell good job.

10:10 Well. She lit me up with a bunch of videos while I was in Reno this last weekend at a four day dart event my friends were playing in and I just thought i'd relax. I knew she would be sending me as far as links were concerned, so I didn't look at any of them until I got home, and then I was just engulfed in it and like, oh my gosh, this is just disgusting, and I'm sickened by what it is that I know. Once again, I thought the Zodiac case would have been enough for me to be sickened. But I tell you what, I'm really sad that I have children that are going to be their pawns and if their goal is to get dirt on us in order to like one of the things I heard them say is that if you're speaking out against if you're there, if they can call you an anti Semitist, then they can somehow figure out a way to get you convicted of that speech. When we're in a free speech nation, they should have no control over this.

10:58 Yep. Well, they want the children, that's what they want exactly. They want their so they can go ahead and manipulate them in advance to you. Know, to already prepare them for what they want to do. Well, the Second Coming isn't coming. Now. What's coming is maybe a World War three that you guys perpetrated. I mean, you guys are the vamping or the vampires of death and destruction period. M Yeah, Well, I think there is a real hell and we're living in it. Right when when I was I've actually invested lots of time speaking to different religions and having the US and the elders and the pastors and people in my house where I would question them with these hard questions they didn't have answers for, so they could never really settle my mind on anything. But the Latter day Saints believe that heaven's here on earth. What the heck kind of heaven is?

11:56 There is a lot that is a big rabbit hole for that one. I've been actually, yeah, put on Twitter on that topic and how they tie into that, and he taed to Asriel. So if y'all, if if the viewers want to see that that's all there on my Twitter, so. I will be happy. I will be happy to cover that. And I did still want to speak with Megan right after We're almost done with the segments of the Zodiac. Is because I only go until Jack dies, because after Jack dies, we don't see any more of these communications or writings that could be attributed to Jack, or at least I have not seen or been provided with any So I would love We're in two thousand and one right now, make it to two thousand and six, and then it's a free for all. After that. I have many many episodes that I've already paid for, and we can pick up on all of those. The Black Doll Ya, Megan Walsh interesting and more insight to the study of adrino blood, which you, guys, if you've not heard of this, this was my first time where you literally scare the living crap out of a child so bad that it causes adrenaline system and then they bleed them out, and then what they do with the body at the end is this is what's running around on the internet. I don't know if it's true, but what they do with the body is grinded up into meat that becomes sausage hamburger, and there are fetal stem cells and flesh and things like that in our are processed packaged foods, which may very well explain why so many people are sick these days in America from the food that we're eating. So

13:27 I'm going to be doing crue. I've found that same thing out in twenty sixteen. So all right, well, then we'll have some more things to talk about. We left off last week at where Dennis was about to give Jack a call because SFPD, the FBI, nobody seems to be moving on the evidence that Dennis is supplying, so he really is chomping at the bit. He can't wait to ask Jack himself. He decides to pick up the phone because nobody's moving on the information that's being given, and he begins recording conversations between him and Jack. Now we're going to I do kind of like a posthumous reading of this recording. Nolan is going to play Jack, I'm going to play Dennis.

14:08 Keep in mind, this is not something we rehearse, so if we mess it up a little bit, give us a little leeway. I barely got the script over to him this morning, so we're gonna And actually what you're seeing on my screen right now is the actual conversation that Dennis recorded. I've listened to these recordings, and I know that what he's saying in this book is true. So what you're seeing here, you can see that Dennis has written about it, and I just merely transcribed that into a way that I could read it easier with Nolan and I. So two thousand and one, Jack is aware that the FBI is looking into him due to Dennis about the Zodiac case. I believe this was Jack's way of giving them some busy work. Jack told Denny that he would go to the FBI and clear his name, but instead he perpetrated yet another crime that would take the attention off him. So if you didn't understand that Jack and Denny, Denny being the biological son of Jack Jack had. Jack told Denny he would go to the FBI and clear his name, but he didn't. And I think that the perpetration of the nine to eleven events was one of the ways that he gave the cops more busy work. And we're going to be hopping into that once we're done here. So the two thousand and one records a recording of conversations between him and Jack.

15:20 I'm going to play or Dennis, of course, And so Dennis picks up the phone. He calls Jack's. Jack answers, and Dennis says, Hello, Jack, what is going on? Just sitting here thinking about how the hell I get to the Bitter Root Mountains? I know the feeling of not having a vehicle. Well, I was calling you because I wanted to talk to you about something, but I wanted to let you know that it would stay just between you and I. Well here I am. Well, I think I discovered something very interesting, and I think you know what I'm talking about, don't you? Yeah? I think I do. Jack. I will say this much. You have become the most interesting person I've ever met. I won't hold any of it against you. I'm probably the only one that understands.

16:09 What are you going to do? Write a book that is. Exactly what I was thinking about doing. No, I haven't got anybody's throat. Lately, I got tired of doing it. I can understand that. Like I told you, if there's anybody that understands it, it's me. Everybody does things for their own reasons, and no one can say they are bad or past judgment until they have walked in their shoes. That's true. You try and cover things up, and then some smart ass comes along and wants to write a fucking book about you. Then you're in trouble again. That's why I was calling you. I wasn't just going to put a book out about you without talking to you about it. You don't want my name in it anywhere?

16:51 Well, I can change your name. It isn't no big deal. Let me just ask you this straight out. Are you the fucking Zodiac killer? Or am I just imagining things? Well, let me see what time is it. Well, you don't have anything to worry about because there have been twenty five hundred suspects and if someone tried to say they knew who the Zodiac was, they would lock them up in a nuthouse. So it don't matter what is said because no one would fucking believe it. Anyway, if I wrote a book and I said I think my father is the Zodiac, no one would believe it. How would you put that I think in there? This is such a high profile case. Was on the television the other night and it was number one unsolved crime in history.

17:38 I think I will do that if you take a run out. Yeah, Jack invites him out, Dennis, I think I will do that. I would like to come out and talk to you. I know who the fuck you are, and I would like to have a chance to talk to you about it. If I had known this before, we could have had some good, goddamn conversations. I would have never held any of it against you. Someone that can do what you did and get away with it, I have to give them a handshake. I don't real he is holding grudges. They don't buy you nothing, they don't feed nobody, not even the pigeons. I have to ask myself, was I really mad or was I mad at someone else? And looking back, I think I was stupid. I was.

18:25 Knowing what I know now. I understand everything you did, and if you wouldn't have found out, if I wouldn't have found out who you were, I would have held a lot more against you, because you just did what you had to do. You have one score to settle, and that's with Darren. I'm waiting for him to get out of prison. Darren is a fucking idiot. He won't be when I get through with him. He'll be a good boy, all with his ass and a razor strap. If Charles hadn't stopped me that night, I would have had his head out on that concrete and beaten it to death. It would have been well deserved. Anyway, I think I will come out and talk to you, and you don't have nothing to worry about because the DNA on the envelope has all been contaminated, so there is no way they could ever prove it.

19:13 I ain't worried about that. I look back at those boring old stories that I used to think we're boring, and right now they would be the most interesting thing in the world to me. I never listen like I should have. I think you are a very interesting person, and I know that no one knows who you are, and that is fine, but I do, and I want to have the chance to talk to you about it. I'm the one who figured out who you were, and I find it all very fascinating. To this day, people still go to the police and say they know who the zodiac is after thirty years. If you told me your life story, I would not publish it until you were gone, and sure make it interesting. I've been tempted to see how much I could write down and remember, but it couldn't be published until after my death.

19:58 You know that my word is good. I will put whatever you want me to put into the book. I will write it just like you tell it. If you would do that for me, I would appreciate it, and it would be between you and me until that time. You are the only dad I ever knew, and I'm glad that you were my dad. And as far as I am concerned, I got raised by one of the most important people in history. I'm so goddamn smart. Why ain't I rich? That's what I can't figure out. Why ain't you rich? Hell? I ought to be rich. I left over when I was fourteen, But the time I was sixteen, i'd been in twenty eight different states. I remember once I had to jump off the top of a moving box dart into some grass, burghers and gravel.

20:42 That sounds like it would have hurt. I know you've had a very interesting life, and I know a lot of it, but I didn't listen as close as I should have. If I come and talk to you now, those stories I used to think were boring would be the most fascinating thing in the world to me right now, Everything you tell me, I will never forget. I never in one million years thought that my boring old stepdad would become so interesting to me. I'm glad I was able to talk to you about this. I feel like about eight thousand pounds have been lifted off of me. I will get some money together and head that way in a couple days. Three days later, Dennis called Jack again. I was calling to let you know that I am still trying to scrounge up the money to drive down there.

21:22 If you wanted to type your life story onto a disc and let Charles know where it is, that would be fine with me. I'd rather tell it to you. There's a lot of incidents, and I will teach you each. Tell you each incident. I can tell them easier that I can write them. This is a way we'll have to go. You missed a There are a lot of them I have forgotten. You missed okay, bad? There are a lot of them I've forgotten, but I recall them as I speak. I can tell them easier that I can write them. This is a way we will have to go. However, you feel the most comfortable. I understand that this is a situation that you just can't bring up to anyone.

22:04 Well, the thing of it is, I can trust you, feel like I can so I feel I can tell you anything. If you wanted to just drop the whole thing, that would be all right. I just wanted to know for myself, and I'm satisfied. I will tell it to you, and you can take notes, and you can keep the notes and do what you want with them. Well, it depends on what you're going to do with them and when we're going to have to have some agreements on that. Absolutely, I think it would be a better book of fiction. I think it would go over better that way, and the laws would be broken, and it could be published at any time.

22:44 There will be places you will want to put a little better out. There will be places you want to take a little salt off. We could make it fiction, but I don't think that there would be anything to worry about if it was nonfiction, because there's been too many people over the years that have come forth and said that they know who the fuck Zodiac Killer is. The police don't even want to hear another's theory about Zodiac's identity. They're tired of it. There has never been a case in history that has had so many suspects as well as people saying they know who the Zodiac is. I don't think you could walk in and turn yourself in even if you wanted to. They might lock you up in a mental hospital, but they would not believe you were Zodiac.

23:26 Most of the things I'm recalling, they're really not interested in prosecution. They just assume it don't ever come up. But they know it exists, that it's law and they have to have a prosecution. These things I'm talking about, they would rather just stayed out of their sight because most of it is years ago. I guess it made them look so bad that they would rather just forget about it. I would, however, like to have something that I could prove whom you were after you were gone. After it's written his fiction, after it has written his fiction, and then after I'm gone, you can make it nonfiction. Most of the things I could not denied because they have no proof. I'm not too worried about it, but it's what the people I know would think. If it was a known fact. There was me.

24:13 You could tell me how the codes work, that would be interesting. We will discuss that some of the bean stuff happened before I went into the Navy in forty six. You don't have to worry about freaking me out. Hell that's it doesn't bother me. I just call a population I just call it population control. It isn't no different than when people go to war. There are one or two of the situations that was not my fault, but I was responsible. That's a funny way to put it. I thought that being sent to Japan might have been one of the reasons for killing. I was killing before I went to Japan. When I was growing up as a young child, I was a loner and I was a hunter. Spent a lot of time by myself. I lived in caves. It was a hell of alive.

25:02 Well, the main thing is you managed to stay free this whole time. That much is true, all right. So some of the things that I'm taking from that conversation, obviously the responses from Jack, as far as let me see what time it is, that's a very odd response, And I say odd if you're not the zodiac, right, or you must be well versed in the zodiac's happenings to even know that time was a projected idea or theory about those cases. So for me that was kind of a home run hit. I guess if you will. I think there was more in a larger sense of what time, as far as what time and history, what time is life, how close that is?

25:51 Things like that, Well, what time is, time is is a foundation of the Zodiac killings, the watches, the broke watches, the time set on the broken watches. So I just now just another cryptic and not even so much cryptic. It is the perfect answer without saying yes, I'm the Zodiac, if somebody was going to answer with an affirmative mm hmm. And then we see Dennis do the pullback, right, I don't have to do this if you don't want, and he's like, oh no, no, no, no, no, hold on. This is the kind of mentality that I would anticipate from the Zodiac, not the Arthur Lee Allen dying with a typewritten letter in his hand stating I'm not the Zodiac.

26:37 I would have thought that if Arthur Lee Allen was the Zodiac, if he was, and we know he's not. If he was, he would have blasted all his events in that letter and said, ha ha, I gotcha. Yeah literally, I mean that you. Didn't catch me and I lived out my life. Ah on you yep, the irony of that whole entire thing. Anyways, Dennis then makes this trip up to visit Jack, and when he gets there, he finds Jack holding a bottle of Jack Daniels. Here it is, I'm already starting it as if I know what my next side is. So this phone call conversation preempted a visit to Jack and Washington, I believe. Whereupon Dennis's arrival, he has met with a bottle of Jack Daniels and a knife. Jack, after hearing from Dennis that no one believed him that Jack was the Zodiac, said he was glad he didn't have to kill Dennis, and he gave him the whereabouts of the evidence stored in the Arizona shed to help Dennis get the attention of law enforcement. So we start to see the things that are coming about that Dennis is starting to drop off. We talked about this one, but here's an actual insert excerpt sorry, of the turning over of the eaton bond paper. The eaton bond paper was used in the Zodiac crimes. It was many the paper that many of the communications were written on. And it says here that one set of the evidence given two pieces two sheets of eaton bond paper turned in by a reporting party, recovered by reporting party in a shed in Flagstaff, Arizona,

28:10 in April of two thousand and one. And that's the beginning of Dennis piece mealing evidence out to different agencies to see who is going to take this case seriously. The shed in arizonas where most of the paperwork. I have paper trailed and chronologically ordered Jack's life. And again I cannot repeat this enough. The items that Jack capped were very odd in the fact that he didn't keep everything. He didn't keep every single foam bill, he didn't keep every single piece of mail that was meant to him, just certain and particular ones that literally, when linked together, establishes his proximity to many of these crimes that we talk about. It had the metal green ammal box with the dried up pilot razor felt tip pen that we turned over to the to the FBI. That pen could have been tested against the ink on the letters had any of them still been available to my knowledge, and based on what Dennis has said, those letters have all gone missing. But it's kind of odd because we see Tom Voight flip from black and white copies from his first website that he shuts down on AOL and hops over, and he's got full blown color copies, full blown color scans of these letters. Now, of course, we also discussed the fact that he had them manipulated, so they widened the pixel with both across and up and down to make a five x seven letter look like an eight

29:40 and a half by eleven. So when you print it out from his website, you're getting a much larger version of the communication than was actually sent. And there's no doubt in my mind that Tom Voyd knows that this was a five x seven letter, no doubt. If he says anything other than that, he's a complete liar. So ask him now, why is he presenting the letters as eight and a half by elevens. This is going to bring me now to some graphology and graphology again. Like I said, I had studied, I completed my courses, I finally got my website, I for the Obvious dot com up and running, and I took my first case about two weeks ago in regards to a ten year old boy's writing. He's now eleven, but he was ten at the time. His father was concerned that he was being manipulated and coerced into writing a letter that indicated that the boy no longer wanted to talk to his father.

30:31 Once we completed the analyzation. And I say we because I did my preliminary exam and results, and then I studied it with my mentor and she added some things to it, and it boiled down to her making a claim that the little boy had a slight learning disability or problems with his eyesight. The irony of this is that I have no background on this little boy. And when I called the father to discuss this with him, it turned out that the boy did suffer from dysgraphia, even though she didn't find because he's forming his letters, well, it's the way he forms them that she found. The slight learning disability he had alluded to there were medical issues with the boy, but he takes medications for them, so I could probably only assume it would be something like ADHD or ADD or something like this. And then he also included the fact that, yes, he has problems with his eyesight, and that's one of the ongoing arguments in the divorce is that he keeps trying to convince his wife that his son needs to have his eyes checked again and she refuses to do it. Well, here we are in a graphology state, looking at his handwriting, telling the father something he already knew, which was great because he could then turn around and confirm that the findings that we had were real. So that steps us into the graphology reading. And I know this is kind of off topic because this has nothing to do with these cases, but I want to show you the strength of this type of work. So this is in regards.

31:52 This is from Michelle Dresbold. She has done profiling for the FBI and she has also she's a consultant for the I believe Philadelphia PD or Pennsylvania it's a P word. I didn't write it down, unfortunately, but she actually consults for the police department in criminal matters. This one is on the pizza bomber and it's a graphological profile completed years before discovering the actual suspects and matched the culprit to a t. Brian Wells was the robber that was killed with the bomb caller, and he had these instructions in the backseat of his car. There were nine pages of this type of instruction. So from her reading that she gave to the police, it said that he was a hoarder. He was intelligent, he was frugal yet had money, mechanically inclined, explosive personality, mental health issues, likes puzzles and games, and not a good liar and would confess. Now the players in this was William Rosstein. He was ultimately found to be the author of this letter. He was very much a hoarder, as if you've seen you can look up the Pizza Barmber documentary and you will find that everything that I just said one through eight absolutely one hundred percent identifies William Rostein. Marjorie Deal Armstrong was the ringleader of this entire thing. There was a Floyd Stockin involved and Keith Barnes. He was actually hired to kill Armstrong's father, so this is how it all started out.

33:21 She was supposed to have her father killed so she could collect money because she wanted money. That failed, so they devised this whole Pizza Barmber thing. And James Roden was also Armstrong's boyfriend who was murdered by Armstrong and then had Rostein put it in his freezer in his basement. Now, when the police show up and finally figure out that there's a possibility that because he's in the area where something occurred that linked and they wanted to speak to him, he started spilling things like, well, this has nothing to do with Brian Wells. Nobody asked him that. And then he basically told on himself and says, I've got a body in the freezer, but I didn't kill it. I just helped to hide it so that whole not a good liar and would confess thing was true to a t.

34:09 The FBI, you guys told her nothing could be determined from this handwriting because it was so manipulated it wasn't natural. Nope, sorry, guys, Even if you're manipulating your handwriting, there are going to be telltale signs of personality and behavioral issues in that handwriting that we can discover. So even if it looks that she said, when she saw this, it looked like the instructions to a game. You know, how you pull up the monopoly instructions. That's what this crossed your ass. So very interesting take on it. That brings us to her reading of the Anthrax letters. One of the some of the questions that she in graphology, I think, or profiling, I think it is the same as forensics. We give ourselves theories and we see if those theories work out, and if they do, then we try to confirm them or or find them false. And either way, we're asking ourselves a question, and we're trying to come up with that answer. So some of the questions that she had for this, and the note she has on here, it says, this is next take penicilin now, death to America, death to Israel. Interesting that this happens to be coming at the same time that I'm being told that Israel likely had something to do with the nine to eleven events we're seeing us into war with Iraq. I was floored that it felt, yeah, that it fell in time like that.

35:36 So it says, is this writer isolated, social, outgoing, shy or attention sinking? Is writer male or female? Educated or not educated? Military or not a military background? Bonus? Is there a secret code embedded in the text? This all screams Zodiac. Every single one of these questions, I mean, obviously other than male or female screams Zodiac. We've all questioned whether or not he was isolated, social, outgoing, shy, attention seeking. I think attention seeking. That's where I felt definitely male, because at that time there weren't a whole lot of female serial killers out there. Educated, for sure, but trying to pretend like he's not educated. Military has always been a given, So yes, we believed military and secret code. Yeah, secret codes. So this is her reading on the Anthrax letters. And I did ask her to appear on this. I don't know if she got shied away from it. I don't know if somebody instructed her not to, But she went from telling me she would do this episode and do a reading on Jack's handwriting to not responding to me at all, which is kind of what I've found throughout my investigations and research in this case. People get excited about wanting to be a part, but then something stops them and they fail to ever follow through. Yeah you've experienced that as well. Yeah, Or they pop up, they give you some thing anonymous and then leave you in the dust like you're supposed to figure out what it means exactly.

37:04 That's the ones that I can't stand. I can't Oh. Yeah, if you're gonna lay it down, lay it down right before you leave. Exactly. I need you, I need it all. Now, a lot of my handwriting was my handwriting results were done off of the actual envelopes, and I will explain why. Obviously there's a lot more attempt to manipulate the sky's the handwriting in these small notes, but that the author didn't do so well at doing that in the actual envelopes. So this is what she found from the actual letter one depression. You got to think about it. Right now. Jack is suffering pretty bad from congestive heart failure. He has just been figured out that he was the Zodiac, and he is desperately not wanting his identity known. And I'm sure even if he tells Dennis that he can trust him that, I don't think Jack trusts anybody. Yeah says he's American, and she says two reasons. The date sequence, the way it's formed would indicate that you were American.

38:07 And he spelled Israel correctly. That is also an intelligent thing, because while he faked misspellings, he spelt Israel correctly, which most people don't do. They almost always spell it is s R E A L instead of a E L. So, yeah, it's it's just a common it's phonetically right, he Israel instead of saying that Israel is real, they just phonically misspelled. It says that the person understands proper capitalization, they're good at math, numbers or science. They use the calculus symbol in their in one of their letters. They have mental health issues or drugs. They're trying to keep it together, but they're falling apart. Does not connect with others, will be bold and get in your face, has a military background, goal oriented and capable of following through. I just got goosebumps, you guys, because I can't exclude Jack from any of those personality traits. Yeah.

39:11 Well, he just displayed him in the in the in the script with Dennis, he displayed all of them, all of them. Yeah yeah. And so there attempts these days for the new generation to separate the idea of military with the zodiac is as nine. There's just far too much information that suggests that the individual was in the military, and we know this to be true, so. You can't deny it either. As far as other cases go of other serial killers, I mean, it's always a military background. There's no way around it, and it and even.

39:51 Yeah not at all, not all. I have a whole book. If it's not the person that's killing, then it's it's their father or their grandfather. Gotcha. Okay, I was gonna say those females. I don't think they were in the military, but there are some serial killers out there that are female, all right. So that brings us to the actual coded or embedded message. So, according to the FBI a summary report, when they lifted out just the bolded letters, investigators got TTT att TAT, an apparent hidden message. The three letter groups are condons codons sorry, meaning that each sequence of three nuclear nucleic acids will code for a specific amino acid. TTT is fenaliaalanine, I wish say, is single letter designator F. How about that AAT is asparagine single letter designator N and TAT is tyrazine, single letter designator on. So what is f N Y from New York or following New York like because New York where the planes hit, right, Yeah, I don't know. Now that's odd because there was and this

41:21 is this is how Harriet got involved. So Harriet's father, she believed was delivered a package. He used to be a merchant marine and he lived in San Francisco and she lived there, and he was delivered a package that she suggests had some type of anthrax, and this was in the nineties, so her she believes that her father and her co worker were victims of this random package mailing with the stuff in it that her father bled out in the kitchen of their room. So basically like everything turned a mush and just bled out, and her dog was affected by whatever this powder was. When she took him to the vet. They had to give them give him some type of It starts with the sea and I can't remember it now, but it was some type of drug to counteract the anthrax. This was also given to the military when this bio warfare stuff started, so it's I don't know if it's necessary and a syllin, but it is some type of drug. Oh, I wish I could remember it.

42:19 Antibiotic name called cipro flaxen. Yes, cipro, yeah, yes, cipro antibotic, Okay. So they they prescribed and Harriet had the pictures of these medications that her dog was prescribed. So why would you prescribe a dog cipro. And this is following the onset of her father. She believes being killed with this particular package and then you and then the cipro was then given to military anybody who might be subjected to the anthrax. This is what they used to treat it. M Now, one of the people that she leaves in the Anthrax series that she looked at as far as handwriting concern or was a suspect in the Anthrax letters was doctor Stephen Hatfill.

43:08 We all know how that worked out. He was not guilty. He turned around and sued the US for damaging his life and won millions. So we can take him off the list. Oh here it is. Oh I love this, okay. So. Hatfield's lawyer, Tom Coliny Connolly, was featured in a CBS News sixty minutes interview about the anthrax incidents on March eleven, two thousand and seven. In the interview, Connolly revealed that Hatfield faked his PhD degree. It's true. He has indeed puffed on his root resume, absolutely forged a diploma. Yes, that's true. He went on to state, listen, if pulling, if puffing on your resume made you the anthrax killer. Then half his talent should be suspects. The New York Times stated that Hatfill had obtained an anti anthrax medicine cipral flaxen, which is an antibiotic medication, immediately before the anthrax mailings. Connolly explained for the attacks, he had surgery, So yes, he's on cipro, But the fuller truth is, in fact, he was on cipro because a doctor gave it to him after his sinus surgery. Hat Phil has previously said the antibiotics was for a lingering sinus infection.

44:15 Next person was Bruce Ivans, as we all know, and there's a possibility that there was a greeting card in two thousand and six mailed just before Jack passed away, mailed to Bruce Ivans talking about don't you like the postmark? Which was New Jersey, which was one of the places where the anthrax was mailed out of. And he of course is said to have these mental issues. They wanted to lay it all on him. He knew that he was under investigation, and we see what this country will do to people. If they want to put you down, they will put you down. And he took his own life, So I don't necessarily believe, and I've not seen his handwriting to tell the difference, but I do not believe that Bruce Ivins was anything more than a patsy.

44:56 Yeah. Yeah, there's been investigations with PBS and the Saconmento b It basically cleared Ivans. Well. When I want to say that, it was roughly before I decided to take a break from this entire presentation, we'd received a message from Chris Hopkins stating that they were going to close the Zodiac case on Jack Terrence. We were patiently waiting. About a week later, there was a press release in which case the FBI came out and said that Bruce Ivans was in fact the Anthrax mailer and that they were closing the case. I lost my business. Course, they blamed it on the dead guy. That's what that's like, one of their tricks. It's their go to. I knew I had already done the Anthrax letters, and I already knew that they were written by the Zodiac killer, which Bruce Ivans could not possibly have been. So here I'm losing my stuff. But a week later to the date, on February twenty six, the Congress came out and did a press release that lasted about twenty seconds long, and they said, we are not closing this case on Bruce Ivans. Doesn't match, the handwriting doesn't match, you have no evidence to support this, and they shut FBI down from closing this case. Best thing the Congress has ever done. I then proceeded to email my results of the handwriting to more than forty people on the Americathrax Committee. Some went through, some did not, but I did my best. I did not receive one single response, I believe it. And that brings us to

46:30 the nine to eleven Anthrax letters. So I think before we climb into these, because we just have a couple minutes left, this would be a great place to segue, stop and talk about anything that is on your guys's minds for the next couple minutes. Well, you mentioned in the beginning the. Zionist Christians, and that is what's taking over Charlie Kirk's and the whole organization with the TPSA faith and Erica Kirk is implementing into high schools now different chapters of this ideology. And it's just sickening and it needs to stop.

47:11 And you know, it's nothing that Charlie specifically said that I can find a video of him stating that that's what he wanted, and she's always saying, oh, well, this is what he wanted, you know, blah blah blah. And believe she wants us to believe that we should all fear the coming of the end of the world. I don't know what she's implementing in the in the children's heads, but I mean, they're they're getting their information. They're they're giving them forms to fill out that literally have all the hip of information on it that they are. You know, when they attend any event, they take all of this. It's like a long form. Like you it looks like a form that you would fill out your doctor's office.

47:54 That's ridiculous and that's against the law. We have laws. To them and they sign it then I mean technically, I guess that's how they're getting away with it legally. Oh yeah, that is scary. If they're public, if they're infiltrating public schools, that's almost the violation of church and state. Yeah, well, the school is accepting it, and the state is accepting them. So the first date that just just accepted them and then turned around and decided not to do it was Kentucky church audience were college students, right, he wasn't talking about exactly, But now she's implementing it in high schools.

48:35 Wow. Well, if there is a coming to the end of this world, it is not simply because God is coming back to take the world back. It is because the vampires of death and destruction intend on ruling, controlling, taking and over and destroying anybody who they can't. That's it. Well, and she's evil. I mean, I don't know. Like I said, they're coming after the children, and we have to stand up for them because no one else. Is going to do it. You know, if it takes two hundred and fifty thousand signatures to put something on the ballot, then why can't we start running some type of propaganda that allows us to get the signatures that are required to stop this foreign funding, to stop protecting anybody who has committed genocide.

49:19 One of the things that we spoke about this last week was the United Nations Israel has never been sanctioned, not once, for anything that they have done, committing genocide, cruelty, blowing up children. Why are the people in the UN also affected by Epstein? Files. So you've got to ask that bigger question, why is it that these people are getting this preferential treatment when they've shown nothing but dastardly behavior towards American and the human race. Yep, to the Islamic and Arab worlds. Oh gosh, you guys. That puts us at the end. We will pick this up next week, will come back.

50:00 I thank you for your thoughts. Everybody, have a wonderful weekend. Stay safe out there, and as I was told to be careful Yep, we will peace you guys, all right, see ya