May 9, 2025

Wrongful Murder Conviction of Peter Wilson? You Decide…, Pt. 2

Wrongful Murder Conviction of Peter Wilson? You Decide…, Pt. 2
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Follow the story of Peter Wilson whose day went from bad to worse that turn into a 30-year nightmare in prison. Illegal search and seizure, removal of alibi evidence by the State, planted evidence, State’s experts testify to faulty medical data/forensics, and a potential suspect leaves the country in the middle of the whole thing. Follow up questions answered with additional evidence. Deserves Writ of Habeas Corpus 2 Part Series

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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We are going to finish off with the balance of

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the podcast that I did with David Villa and San

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Joaquin Valley Transparency. Once we're completed with that, I'm going

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to go ahead and answer many of the questions that

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were posed during that podcast so that all of us

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get some answers. So, without any hesitation, we're going to

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go ahead and put that presentation back on and finish

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that off, and I'll see you in about twenty minutes.

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Subsequent testimony of medical experts shows that only ten to

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thirty percent of rape victims have visible injury that can

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be seen by the naked eye under bright light, contrary

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to the DA's Medical Examiner's testimony and subsequent testimony of

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medical experts shows that intact firm is only motile within

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twelve hours of being deposited. Again, that is also based

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on you know, heat or cold, and we know that

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when her body was taken from the house at eight

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thirty pm on Sunday evening, she was placed in a

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refrigerator that would have helped things to last a little

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bit longer, let's see, and then for the next twelve

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hours of tales and the separate rendering them no longer

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motile within twenty four hours. So again, this does not

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take us all the way back to twelve fifty eight,

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twelve forty eight pm, between that twelve and one o'clock

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hour that they're claiming the murder occurred. This is another

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piece of evidence that mister Wilson asked me to examine,

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which was a property log, and there are actually three

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property logs that he provided to me, and as you

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go through them, you can see for yourself the differences

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in the actual handwriting and the entries. Things are being

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scratched out, they're being obliterated, they're being whited out. And

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the final actual property report, which is on slide number

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fourteen is where it contains the officer's handwriting stating removed

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one vial, and he removed it on March thirty first,

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nineteen ninety six. Why you know, if you took this

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to the lab, why would it not go with the

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other vial? Why would it not go with the other evidence?

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And I would think that this would be something you

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would strip strictly keeps separate the arresting officer versus forensic

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evidence collected going to a lab, so that the chain

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of custody is not not necessarily confused but compromised, you know,

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I mean, if the arresting officer has you know, some

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grit in this for needing to get out from under

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the things he's done, such as an illegal asserts and seizure,

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or he's just trying to set the community's mind at

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ease that they've caught the killer, when in fact he's

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actually doing something that's nefarious and it has cost this

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man thirty years of his life. Wow, and that blows

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my mind. The property reports should not look like this.

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These property reports should not vary, they should not be different.

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They should not be having different entries, right Nolan, I

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mean you should have one lug.

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I don't on the one guy and on the other guy.

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Right, well, because the other guys they call him the police.

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Well, yeah, do we have a recording of the of

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the phone call.

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I have no idea because I'm.

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Curious as to what he told the police. Did he

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implicate his roommate.

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I don't believe he did. I believe he I believe

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the statement. I think I do have those answers in

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the documents. And I want I want to say that

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mister Wilson had indicated that he had just told the

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police that mister Wilson found her, not necessarily that he

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implicated it. But my roommate found her dead in the basement,

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you know kind of thing. I would have to go

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back to look to see what was exactly about exactly

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what said.

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But the next question, why did Wilson call.

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Himself because he was assessing her Okay, so.

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He was down there, he call it I found her dead, Okay.

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Yeah yeah, And he and he, like.

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I said, he was to hear or to find out

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if it's out there, what was actually said during the call.

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Right when one.

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Calls were recorded, So his lawyer at some point Ship

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requested that recording way back.

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When and it took mister it took mister Coleman eight

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minutes to call the police. He was him hauling around.

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What's that?

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So he when your client was saying, hold the cops,

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he's dead, blah blah blah, he waited eight.

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Minutes and says, if he's doing immediately, is what you're saying?

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Yes, he was basically based on my recollection of what

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mister Wilson said in his paperwork, was that mister Coleman

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was basically bucking back from wanting to make that call,

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and it took him literally eight minutes from the timer

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body was discovered to actively make that nine one one call.

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Well, that's kind of weird too. Did he share that

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with the cops? He says, Hey, I asked him call

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in he waited for why wait.

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I don't know if at that moment in time, when

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he was going through what he was going through, that

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he had the wherewithal to slow down and think about

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mister Coleman's actions. Don't know that if if he relatively

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if he really believed he was the murderer at that

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moment in time, so he may not have, you know,

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remembered to state these particular things to the police.

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Right, But.

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I'm just saying he obviously well sure he didn't do it, Yes,

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but he didn't. I don't know I would immediately suspect the.

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Other day, Well we would come on if we know,

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we're assumed that I'm going to go in with somebody.

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But would you blame somebody else that you particularly knew?

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You know, if why did you not immediately call the

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cops when I asked? Right?

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And if Coleman was making out like well I just

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got home too, you know what I'm saying, Like he

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may very well have believed his roommate, that his roommate

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wasn't a part of it either. He just didn't see

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him selfie and him up for something he didn't do himself.

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The report evidence that you were reading, doesn't it hardly

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anything about cole No, no, he interviews.

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And evidentiary moves, taking investigative moves.

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It just neglects it, basically, right, And maybe.

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And maybe Coleman. Maybe Coleman was bad mouthing mister Wilson, right,

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You know.

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I would say, had to have said something right, trying

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to throw.

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A direction towards him to where when they came to investigate,

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you're already suspecting him.

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Right, And if mister Wilson wasn't suspecting mister Coleman, he

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would have no reason to bad mount them or to

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point the fear in that direction.

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He didn't know.

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He didn't know anyway either, he didn't know what right right?

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Are there transcripts of the entire trial.

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I believe mister Wilson is in possession of him. I

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do have many I don't think I have everything by

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any means, but I do believe that he is in possession.

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After thirty years of all of the trial transcripts.

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Makes me wonder as far as like mister Wilson right,

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because he was obviously convicted by twelve jurors right.

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Who were foresped what the DA wanted them to be

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force fed.

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Yes, the police, but at some point someone's going to

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have justice. I mean, you're not there just you're there as.

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An officer of the court to promote justice.

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I was watching a documentary regarding Karen Reid and the

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officer that was killed with her boyfriend, and the entire

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time I'm watching the documentary, yeah, and I can't, right,

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I can't help but think, how how can she be

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convicted in this case? How could mister Wilson be convicted when,

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for instance, and the Karen Reid case, the other female

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officer was looking stuff up on Google and then deleting it.

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In this case, there is another gentleman that could possibly

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have done it. So how could the jerry say guilty?

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Aren't you yeah?

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If there's reasonable doubt? Aren't you supposed to say not guilty?

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If we could, if we could forget the fact that

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the police officer planted his blood at the crime scene.

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So this is what I believe that they hung their

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hat on, was the presence of his blood on miss

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Kim at the actual scene of the crime. And that's

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where we get into that on slide number so, on

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slide number fourteen we see the removal of one file

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on the thirty first of March. This may also be

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why they hesitated and waited to call out the corner,

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and that the forensics was still busy in the middle

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of doing whatever they were doing and wouldn't allow the

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corner to go downstairs and address the body.

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Is to get there and doing as soon as possible.

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Who crowned correct, who found the blood on the woman?

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It was it done?

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That was now the forensic team at the scene of

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the crime purportedly found the blood. I have a couple

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more I wanted to show just before we get into

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the handwriting, a couple more pieces of exculpatory evidence. On

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slide number fifteen, which is again the receipt at the

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top says taken from the backpack. So I was also

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asked to look at this handwriting at the top here

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that belongs to I discovered that it belongs to Officer

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Michael Yore. So he did, in fact take this receipt

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from the backpack before he was granted the right to search.

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And then we see to the right of that we

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see paper that says non transferable subject to tariff regulations,

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and it says I removed. Now, if I could tell

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you who this person was, we'd figure out who actually

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tampered with this particular file. But this document with this

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receipt was never provided to the defense team, and it

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subsequently went missing after it had been removed from the backpack.

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It had been copied placed into the file as page

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number one. Tent Wait, let's see this is page one

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twenty six. And then to the right, which is now

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page one twenty seven says I removed and I've blown

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that up with the signature of the individual who claims

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to have removed it. But it says I removed page

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one twenty six. So now all that's in the file

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is this one that says non transferable subject to tariff regulations?

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Do you know what that means? And oman no, either way,

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the exculpatory evidence was no longer in the police file.

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Terror what's that?

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What do teriff regulations have to do with items in

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a police reporter evidence?

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I have no idea, But basically, in two thousand and seven,

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Peter Wilson requested a copy of the police report from

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Palo Alto Pedi of page one twenty six because he

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saw that it was missing in the original documentation that

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he was given. He questioned his own defense attorney, who

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also said it was missing from his file. He never

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had a copy of it either. So mister Wilson requested

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this specific page and was given both of these two pages,

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the one that actually has the receipt that was not

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available at trial, to the one that states I removed

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this particular page from the act. Now, same thing with

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the actual note. Here again we have a photocopied version

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of the note that was found in his backpack that

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pertains to the actual out alibi of him being at

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the restaurant and finding this woman's purse. That everybody there,

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the bus boy and the owner of the restaurant confirmed, yes,

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this whole thing happened. And it says to you from

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the backpack thirty first of March ninety six, nine to one,

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one to oh, which is the case number. But again

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to the right, this is another document. So page nine

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was also missing. Now we have this page nine A

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that's shown up, and it again says I removed page

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nine Wow, and the only thing that was in the

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file was nine A. So he asks for a copy

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of this, and he actually did this, I believe. He

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says five ten of twenty nineteen, requests more documents from

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police file and receives this particular document on three twenty

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five of twenty twenty. Another document that was taken from

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the backpack before the warrant was issued was removed from

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the file and the availability of the defense.

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So he's actually filed a hebeas right, correct, when did

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he file it? I think you only have a year

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from the discovery of the new evidence.

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Well, he filed it pretty much immediately after getting the

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results back from the DNA lab and from me, and

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so he's just sitting in the rotation at this point.

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Here's where I actually did the handwriting of mister Yore.

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Where are you at? You're on eighteen. I'm on slide

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seventeen for your viewers. But basically I was able to

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actually map out all of the different characteristics of handwriting,

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the way he actually does the connection of the crossbar

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from the letter F straight into the R, the form

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and shape of the o's and the m's, the starting

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and stopping points, the actual the way he forms the

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letter case. Everything that I could find in Michael Your's

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handwriting was a consistent match, including the numbering system to

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Officer Michael Yure. So he is the one that had

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taken both the alibi note from Rogers Restaurant the receipt.

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Mister Wilson also claims that he also took the four

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hundred dollars in cash that was in his backpack that

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came up missing that was never returned or given back

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to him. So there were several things that were taken

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from the backpack that he claims mister Yor had taken

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for himself. On side number eighteen. Once again I'm comparing

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to the actual removal of the one vial and again

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the receipt itself where it says taken from the backpack.

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I found that all of the handwriting characteristics were all

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consistent with each other. So again I made an identification

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that he is the one that removed a vial at

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least on March thirty first of nineteen ninety six, a

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day before all the forensic evidence actually went to the lab.

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And then that brings us into slide number nineteen, which

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is really kind of the home run hit here, and

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that is the Independent Forensics DNA Testing and Technologies DNA

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Lab states that the degradation levels of mister Wilson's DNA

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is similar to identical from the crime scene and the

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reference sample that was taken by Palo Alto PD. And

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what that really means in Layman's terms, is that if

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blood is at a crime scene open to the air

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to different type of inclement leathers, we are going to

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see a type of degradation that occurs and takes place

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as this blood dries. The degradation scale on the DNA

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that was found at the crime scene was identical to

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the degradation level that was found absolutely in the vile

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of blood that was taken from mister Wilson's arm, And

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so that means that literally, I'm thinking here again, mister

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yours down there splashing this blood around while not allowing

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this this corner to come down, and then once the

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corner comes down, they're immediately collecting it right after throwing

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it down. And that's how the degradation is so similar

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between what was in the violin what was taken from

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mister Wilson. Like that, though secure conviction, you are talking

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to the right person here. I mean, David, it is,

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but I don't think you understand what David does. David

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tell Nolan, because I've not really discussed what it is

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that you do.

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I do police accountability. I record police, I asked questions.

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I try to find patterns in what they do and

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how they police. Six different police chiefs have resigned after

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being exposed on my channels, and we're working on the

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seventh one right now. This one police chief in Arvin, California,

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was fired from a different department for stealing money. He

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was charged and convicted against the Attorney General believes it's

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okay to allow these cops to do a probissionary period,

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become reserve officers for a long period of time until

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they can get allowed to get their licenses or be

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cops again. And we have one cop in Arvin nearby,

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who not only did that get fired, the rest of

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charge goes to Americopa, California and harasses people, targeting Hispanic people,

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and that entire department. Because of the scandal that happened

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out there, that entire department was disbanded and he was

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out looking for a job somewhere else, gets hired in Arvin,

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becomes a chief of police using a different name, and

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now we're exposing him, trying to get him out of there.

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And this is what we see, the type of protection,

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umbrellas of protection that cops have. And it's unbelievable how

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bad cops are allowed to do stuff like this. And

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it seems like your it probably isn't the first time

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your has ever done anything like this. And I would

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like to find out more about him, see if we

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can find out where he went, where he was policing,

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See if we can get any kind of records, even

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though I know they are destroyed so that the people

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cannot find anything about these cops.

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It's funny that you mentioned Arvin because I was born

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in Bakersfield at My family went to high school in Arvin,

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and a lot of connections down there.

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I live in Bakersfield now, but I'm close by.

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Interesting.

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Yeah, my best buddy is uh used to be the

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editor of the California newspaper Bob Price.

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Now he does TV feature stories.

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Yeah I know.

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Yeah, he's a local celebrity.

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Yeah he is. Yeah.

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Well, I think other than that, all that I really

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had left was kind of mister Wilson's evidence for the

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of Habeas corpus, But I feel like we probably have

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covered a majority of that throughout the presentation. It definitely

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takes into consideration everything we've discussed, the forensic testimony, what

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we do know about forensics testified to by other great

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pathologists and corners around you know, the United States. Also,

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the fact that the DNA degradation is similar, is similar

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to identical to what was taken from his arm, and

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that should never happen in a case like this. So

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I'm here to hopefully expose this entire system and hopefully

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get people to pay attention so that he does get

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this right. For a rehearing because this man does I believe,

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in my honest opinion, I believe he does not belong

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in prison for this murder.

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Sounds like he doesn't and it sounds like a terrible

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police work.

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Yeah, it does.

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Well. Thank you Nannette and also Nolan. Thank you guys

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for coming on and sharing this. I hope he can

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get enough eyes on this and put enough pressure on

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them to you know, allow him to have a new trial.

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And it sucks to hear that he's ill, and hopefully

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he gets to see the light of day again.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, And even then, I think that coming out of that,

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his mental health is going to take many, many years

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to get over what he has probably witnessed and gone

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through in prison.

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Being a prisoner of war.

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You know.

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I want to give you here from Chris and I

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thank you David for having this again on your show

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because I appreciate anybody who can help us get this

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out there very Thank you so much, and thank you Nolan.

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Thank you.

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Well, we'll definitely circle back around this. We'll find out

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updates and we'll try to present updates as well. And

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anybody else that's watching this, please share this story and

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let's get some eyes on this. Let's get this man.

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If he's innocent, let's get him free. And we're not

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supposed to allow cops to do bad stuff like this.

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And this is why it's important that we continue the

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work that we do. We don't have subscribers, we have supporters,

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So thank you, guys, and let's get some eyes on this.

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Well, let's tell on that is.

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I have a criminal matter felling in Bakersfield next month,

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so maybe when I'm down there we can maybe have

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some launcher or hooked.

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Up or you have a beer or something.

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No doubt, get my number, get my number from the nette.

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Okay, and I will keep everybody updated as I get

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more information on the case.

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And everybody, I'm gonna drop the Nett's link in the

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description and the pin comment. Make sure you guys go

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to show her some support.

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I'm going too, because maybe Bob, you do a feature

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story on what you do.

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Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

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Absolutely, thank you guys. All right, you guys, everyone take care.

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We have a great weekend, Happy Eastern. Hope to see

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you soon, all right, guys, Yes, bye bye bye. Okay.

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So at the completion of that podcast, I do have

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additional information and I would also like to show or

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share at least my screen. I have a PowerPoint presentation

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which we saw David flipping back and forth, but I'm

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not sure that anybody got a clear visibility. So as

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I scribe and cover the questions, I'm going to slowly

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sift through these that'll give everybody an opportunity to pause

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and read on your own accord. So what I wanted

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to really actually start with was the arriving at home.

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So one of the questions was what and how mister

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Wilson found Miss kim. It says that at one ten

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am on Sunday three thirty one, nineteen ninety six, I

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got out of the train at Palo Alto train station

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and walked toward the downtown area for about fifteen minutes,

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then stopped the Plazon University Avenue where there was a

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ceremony and the band started playing, and sat on the

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bench for about forty five minutes. At two ten am,

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I walked on University Avenue for about ten minutes, then

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stopped in front of Walgreen drug Stores for about ten minutes,

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then walked on University Avenue toward the house about twenty minutes.

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At approximately two point fifty am. I arrived at home

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on eleven sixty Fulton Street and was in my room

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for about ten minutes. At three am, I walked to

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seven eleven on Waverley Street for about twenty minutes and

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grabbed a juice and walked back home for about twenty minutes.

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Mister Wilson also had a door to his bedroom, so

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he could leave through that door to exit to go

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wherever he wanted to go without having to walk through

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the house, which is why he was not aware at

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that point in time that Miss Kim was dead. He says,

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at three forty am, I arrived at my room on

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eleven sixty foot the Street, and I was in my

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room for about five minutes. At three forty five am,

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I walked toward the toilet, and I believe that's where

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he finds Miss Kim. So he says, at about three

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forty five am on Sunday three thirty one, nineteen ninety six,

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I walked toward the toilet, and when I passed the

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basement door, I noticed the basement door was open and

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its light was on. And when I looked down the stairs,

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I observed Hawk Jew Kim was lying on her back

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at the bottom of the stairs. I slowly walked down

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the stairs and saw Hawk you Kim lying on her

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back and naked from the waist up, and a very

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large wooden board on top of her shoulders. I tried

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to move the board, but the board was very heavy.

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I couldn't move it, and walked up the stairs and

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walked toward William Coleman's room for help and yelled his

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name very loud, but he didn't come out. And when

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I opened his door, I saw William Coleman standing behind

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the door and fully dressed in blue jeans and white

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sweater and street shoes. William Coleman knew Hawk jew Kim

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was already dead, and he was fully clothed. I knew

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he didn't get out of the bed. I told him

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I found Jean, hurry up, come with me. I need

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his assistance. But he refused to come with me and said,

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Hawk you Kim was already dead and there's nothing he

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could do for her. I slowly walked down the stairs

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again and told William Coleman call the police, and tried

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to move the board, but the board was very heavy

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and I couldn't move it, and walked up the stairs again.

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William Coleman had called the police and we waited outside

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the house for the police. So basically, mister Wilson's assertion

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of the actual phone call was that let's see at

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three fifty three am. So, like I'd indicated, eight minutes

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after the notification to mister Coleman is when mister Coleman

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actually made that call. And this is going to be

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the thoughts of or the testimony basically of mister Wilson

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is that William Coleman had called nine one one and

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told the operator we just found Hawk Jew Kim in

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the basement. She was dead for four to five hours.

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She fell down the steps. There was some kind of

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dried blood like all over things, and she was laying

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like on her back. William Coleman also told the operator

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he has been home a little earlier, but he never

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goes down. A lot of the time she parks her

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car in the driveway, but that doesn't mean that she

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is not here. Sometimes she goes with her sister. So

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interesting that, you know, mister Coleman claims she was dead

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for four to five hours, and if he had never

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gone down and didn't know she was dead, how would

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he know any type of a timeframe, so that really

471
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.079
didn't make a lot of sense to me. But that

472
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.000
brings us to the actual nine to one to one

473
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:11.799
transcript which I do now have in possession. So basically,

474
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:17.279
on March thirty first of nineteen ninety six, the voice

475
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:20.400
comes on. This is Sandy Gagnan, communications supervisor for the

476
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:24.079
Communications Division of the Pala Watto Police Department. Today. Today

477
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:27.160
is Saturday, May eleventh, nineteen ninety six, at ten o'clock

478
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.160
in the morning. The following is all the recorded information

479
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.680
from the master tape for Sunday, March thirty first, nineteen

480
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.759
ninety six, which relates to case number nine six Dash

481
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:41.000
zero nine one zero one zero Voice three fifty three

482
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.519
twenty eight March thirty first, Beat three fifty three Operator

483
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.640
nine to one one Coleman, Yeah, could you send an

484
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.759
ambulance to eleven sixty Fulton Street, My landlady, she's she's

485
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:58.279
passed away. She's I think she's dead. Operator, Okay, how

486
00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:01.680
old is she? Coleman? She's a about fifty eight operator,

487
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:05.880
about fifty eight Coleman. Yep, operator. Did she have any

488
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:10.400
medical problems? Coleman, Nope, she's in the dot dot dot.

489
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:13.319
We have a what do you call it? Downstairs? It's

490
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:16.240
like a basement to the house, you know, like you

491
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:20.119
come into the kitchen and you go downstairs. Operator, uh

492
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:23.920
huh Coleman, and she's dot dot dot. I think she

493
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:30.319
fell down there. She's dot dot dot and oh, Operator Okay,

494
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:32.359
but you checked her and you can't find any pulse

495
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.599
or anything. Coleman. Nope. I think she's been there for

496
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:39.000
dot dot dot. Well, sometimes she parks her car in

497
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:42.640
the driveway and she goes with her sister. Operator. Oh,

498
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:46.359
so you don't know how long she's been down Coleman. Nope,

499
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:48.160
but I think she's been there for a long time,

500
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.839
maybe four or five hours or maybe longer. Operator Okay,

501
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.079
are you a neighbor or do you live there? Coleman.

502
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:58.839
I live there. I rent a room from her. Operator Okay,

503
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.240
you just found her now now, Coleman, Yeah, we just

504
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:06.680
found her. Dispatcher. I think she fell down the steps. Coleman.

505
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:09.359
I think she dot dot dot. There's some kind of

506
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.839
dried blood like all over the things, and she's laying

507
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.599
like on her back sort of. Operator Okay, I'm going

508
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:19.160
to get the medics going, and the other dispatcher is

509
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:23.839
going to talk to you okay, Coleman, okay, Operator too, okay,

510
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:28.240
And your name is Coleman, William Coleman, co L E.

511
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:32.240
M A N. Operator two. Okay, and you just came

512
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:36.559
home now, Coleman. Now, I've been home a little earlier,

513
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:39.319
but I never go down in dot dot dot. And

514
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:41.279
a lot of times she perksed the car on the driveway,

515
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:43.839
but that don't mean she's not here. Sometimes she goes

516
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:47.720
with her sister, Operator too, okay. Well, paramedics are on

517
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.920
their way, and so are the police, mister Coleman, and

518
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.720
they should be there momentarily, if you could meet them

519
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.400
out in front. Coleman, okay, I'll meet them out in front.

520
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.000
We live at Fulton and Kingsley. Now, for somebody who

521
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:05.559
he was so complacent not shocked when his own roommate

522
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:09.160
attempted to tell him that he had found their landlady dead,

523
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.160
is now seeming to be very confused. He's not directly

524
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:17.920
answering the questions. He's ending questions or answers short and

525
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:22.000
then bringing up completely different subjects, such as the vehicle

526
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:25.319
that was parked in the driveway. I found that the

527
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.599
answers that he's given just don't seem to be indicative

528
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.160
of somebody who was completely unaware of the fact that

529
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.400
she was already dead, and his behavior as well didn't either,

530
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.359
because by indicating that she's dead, there's nothing you can

531
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.039
do for her. That doesn't stop you from calling the police.

532
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.359
That's the first thing you should do. So that helps

533
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:47.079
to answer the first couple questions. And then we were

534
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:50.759
asked what county did this occur? In Santa Clara County

535
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.559
is where the actual murder took place, and the trial

536
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:59.039
was done in San Jose, California. It says what was

537
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:01.039
the race in the age of the Renters. I'm still

538
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:06.160
waiting on those answers from mister Wilson. What is Coleman's background.

539
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.039
I'm still waiting on a response from him as in

540
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:11.920
regards to that as well, and whether or not they

541
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.200
took the same forensic evidence from William Coleman. We're waiting

542
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.640
to see what happens there is there evidence, is there

543
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.839
an evidence log on William Coleman. One of the things

544
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:23.680
that I noticed when I was going through this, and

545
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.359
in fact I wanted to bring up really quickly before

546
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:28.640
we go into it, is that one of the officers,

547
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:31.440
in his own report indicates that he was at work

548
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:34.880
and he was called to the eleven sixty Fulton Street address.

549
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:37.839
And as I continued to read this, I got extremely

550
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.720
confused because it says his job is evidence collection and

551
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.599
I was going to assist with the plans, which I'm

552
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.279
not sure what the plans are. I was contacted via

553
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.519
radio by Sergeant d' stefano. He asked me to phone him,

554
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.440
which I did. Sergeant d's stefano instructed us to halt

555
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.519
any activity we were planning and then to return to

556
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:01.640
the police station. So he indicated that he was He

557
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:03.839
had not entered the residence yet, but he stood on

558
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:08.519
the outside assisting with perimeter security. Evidence technician Lynn Dillard

559
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.359
was the was with Officer Di Trechillo and had just

560
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.799
come from inside the house and one of his functions

561
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:19.720
was to actually with the police department in evidence collection.

562
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.400
He was going to assist with the photography of the scene.

563
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.720
So I think it's very important that we understand this.

564
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:28.000
This is Officer g. Brooks in his own written report

565
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.680
stating that he was there to photograph the scene but

566
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:32.519
then was called off and told to return to the

567
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:35.599
police station. So it makes me kind of wonder was

568
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.119
this also part of what was going to be happening

569
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.440
as far as the setup was concerned. I did talk

570
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:45.279
to another client of mine who is former law enforcement,

571
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:49.119
who indicated that Palo Alto is what the cops would

572
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.680
refer to as a FUFU area, and because they're fufu,

573
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.519
they have lots of money in these areas, and these

574
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.319
are not the type of crimes they like to see

575
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.400
go unsolved because it doesn't set the mind at ease

576
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.200
of the people who live there that provide that community

577
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.799
with the type of money that they have there. And

578
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.319
so when somebody had indicated that, you know, they just

579
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:13.240
needed to secure a conviction, that's exactly what my client

580
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.079
had basically said, was that they needed to pin this

581
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:18.599
on somebody, They needed to call this murder solved. So

582
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.599
that could have been the motivation, aside from the other

583
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:29.319
things that Michael You're had actually done by taking out

584
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:33.160
the culplatory evidence from the backpack and so forth. So

585
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.599
let's see, here is there evidence I'm asking about. Obviously

586
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.720
the evidence log his lawyer. We were asked who was

587
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.799
his lawyer at the time. It was either a mister

588
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:49.240
or Missus Pariscou, which was likely a public defender, but

589
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.440
I am waiting on the full information and name of

590
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:55.759
that individual. It asked where mister Peter was currently incarcerated,

591
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:59.279
and I show that he is at the California health

592
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:05.480
Care Facility in Stockton, California. He was transferred during the time,

593
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:09.760
actually when I was completing my examination, he was in

594
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.880
transfer mode. He had requested that transfer because he wasn't

595
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:17.079
doing well in the state penitentiary and they had set

596
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:19.880
him up for a transfer. Took about eight months, though

597
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.199
I think he said before he was actually given back

598
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.519
all his boxes and his files so he could continue

599
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:28.159
working on his writ of habeas corpus. So there was

600
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:30.159
a long period in between in which I was not

601
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.880
able to speak with him because he didn't have any

602
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:38.079
of his files. Let's see, and when did mister Wilson

603
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:43.920
file for the writ of habeas corpus? Are you with us, Harriet?

604
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:48.920
There you are.

605
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:50.639
Down.

606
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.639
It took me forty five minutes to do that.

607
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.960
Okay, okay, you're live. You're live. That conversation until laft

608
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.159
It says, when did mister Wilson file for the rid

609
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:05.800
of habeas corpus? He filed for the rid of habeas

610
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:09.559
corpus on July seventeenth of twenty twenty four. Now, the

611
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.119
only log that I actually have that mentions mister Coleman's name,

612
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:15.760
which goes back to whether or not there was any

613
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.559
evidence taken on or forensics taken on mister Coleman. And

614
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:23.519
it looks like that the statement is placed on the

615
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:27.320
property report for Peter Wilson, not for one for himself,

616
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:31.119
for mister Coleman. But it does say that he consents

617
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:34.920
to search, so consent to search form signed by William

618
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.960
Coleman and consent to search. What and why is it

619
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.960
on a property report for mister Wilson. It's as if

620
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.000
they fingered this guy from the very beginning and had

621
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:48.119
no intentions of letting any part of it go all right,

622
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:49.920
So what did you think about all that, Harriet?

623
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:55.039
Well, I did check into some of the things, and

624
00:35:55.440 --> 00:36:01.800
my apologies for is I did look into some of

625
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:09.760
the old news reports on him. Oh Joe, Yeah, that

626
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.920
his that. Then when they went to charge him, they

627
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:17.599
found out that his name Peter Wilson was his changed name,

628
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.639
but because he was from Iran, they had to charge

629
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:27.159
him under his Iranian names. So I have questions without

630
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:28.280
that at all.

631
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.800
Yeah, No, That's a good question to be asked because

632
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.920
Rayson and age was definitely something that was that was

633
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:41.559
asked for, and so that might explain why William William

634
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:45.000
Coleman left the country, because my idea is, if he's

635
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.239
a young guy, how does he have access to just

636
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:49.280
you know, a visa and getting out. So if these

637
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:53.239
are students from another country and they collectively changed their

638
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:56.360
names or americanize their names while they're here, that might

639
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.599
make some sense. So I'm going to ask that. And

640
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:00.960
what did you find out what that name was?

641
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.280
Oh my god, it's the last okay, I'm sorry. It

642
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:15.320
was ham illed or ham made inn. And it really

643
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.440
perplexed me because it was bringing back some memories because

644
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:21.519
I am from the Bay area of the hold On.

645
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.519
Okay. So he meade, what how are you spelling the

646
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:26.079
last name?

647
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.039
Well, the last name is it starts off with E

648
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:35.000
I N l O U r wrin. But the first

649
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:39.800
name is actually spelled h A M L D. And

650
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:44.599
I said, maybe that's a misspelling, but yeah, but it's

651
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:47.159
it's h A. It could be h A M I D.

652
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:52.360
But according s f Gate and other sources, it's with

653
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:53.679
a nail instead of an I.

654
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.360
And you said, so the last name e I N

655
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.800
l o U. What was the batance of that?

656
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.280
Well, I tried to look that up, but it isn't

657
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:07.760
an Iranian last name. So I had a lot of questions.

658
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.000
How long has he been here?

659
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:09.840
How was he?

660
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:10.320
You know?

661
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:13.360
Harriet, Harriet, Harriet. I've asked three times when I'm just

662
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.599
trying to get the spelling down e I N l ou.

663
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:17.960
Is there more to it?

664
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.960
There's a little bit more, but I can't google it

665
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.800
right now, so you don't know what the full last

666
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:25.119
name is.

667
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:27.199
All right, I'm going to be very interested in getting

668
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:29.360
that from you. And I love that you were so

669
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.199
good on research. All right, So back to what you

670
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:38.679
were saying, Sorry about that. Oh no in the area

671
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:40.960
during this time in nineteen definitely.

672
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:45.400
And I've heard the news because my parents, especially when

673
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.320
I came home from work, had news going twenty four

674
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:52.679
to seven, especially the AM radio. And of course that

675
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.880
was a story that was brought up a lot, you know,

676
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.639
for a while in nineteen ninety six. And if I

677
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:03.480
understand correctly, this person had more than one trial. The

678
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:08.440
first trial was a hung jury, and then the second

679
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:12.119
trial was a few years later where they believe they

680
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:16.039
nailed him correctly. But I had a lot of questions.

681
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:19.559
I said, but you know what is going on with

682
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:21.320
this guy? You know?

683
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.039
Right? Well? I mean when we start to look at

684
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:26.880
this evidence and we see the things that were done,

685
00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:29.119
and maybe the officer thought he could get away with

686
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:34.639
this because he was not American. I mean there, I

687
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.920
think when it's a second culture, somebody who doesn't quite

688
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:41.039
understand the legal system, it's easier for these police officers

689
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:43.920
to get away with things that are against human rights

690
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.719
obviously when it comes to policing people. But you are

691
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.239
absolutely correct. There has been two trials. I want to say.

692
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.760
The first one was to the early two thousand and

693
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.039
the second one was two thousand and five, if I

694
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:59.719
believe correctly from what he was stating. So, and he

695
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.320
was in prison the entire time, even with the hung jury,

696
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:04.719
he still remained in prison. He has not taken a

697
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:09.119
step out of inhorseiration since he was arrested for this crime.

698
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:11.679
So did you see anything in any of your research

699
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.599
that made you feel like he was complicit with this crime?

700
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:20.239
Just the red flags as to so many questions is

701
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:25.440
how was he making a living? And according to the

702
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:29.679
sources that I basically saw, which was I believe polo

703
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:34.960
alto online. They believed that he was scamming the landlord

704
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:38.920
to try to make a statement to have her signed

705
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:43.360
something and she was over fifty five yeah, or three

706
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.199
hundred thousand dollars.

707
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:49.639
Now they didn't He hasn't indicated anything to that degree.

708
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.639
He had three rental receipts that the DA tried to

709
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:56.320
insist that he made her sit down and write in

710
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.239
that hour that she claims that he had killed her.

711
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:03.599
So that doesn't I mean, at least based on what

712
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:07.719
I see in what he's telling me. So this would

713
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.159
be interesting to note. And we have to understand that

714
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:14.719
they're going to sensationalize. The media is weaponized against individuals

715
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.559
when they want it to be, and some of these

716
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:19.280
things could be just false stories, false leads that were

717
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:21.599
fed to them. So I do take it with a

718
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.639
little grain of salt in regards to the motives of

719
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.719
the officer. If he would, in fact, you know, remove

720
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:33.400
exculpable evidence and plant evidence at the crime scene, what

721
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.440
would he say to the media in order to further

722
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:37.880
victimize this individual.

723
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.239
Well, I can look into this a little more. I've

724
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:47.239
at a very busy unusual wake for my situation here,

725
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:51.280
but it just raised a whole bunch of questions more

726
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:51.960
than answers.

727
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:56.440
Right right, it does, and I would love to collaborate

728
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:58.159
with you on that, especially if you could get me

729
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.119
that last name. I think that there's some searches that

730
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:03.599
we can do. I know a few private investigators, and

731
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:06.679
I know that Nolan and David Villa as well would

732
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:09.239
be interested and probably have some avenues to be able

733
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:13.360
to look some of this stuff up. Wow. I don't

734
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:14.920
know why you didn't call me ahead of time to

735
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.079
tell me you had this information, because I would have

736
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:18.159
been on that before. Now.

737
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:23.159
I had an interesting day yesterday, so it wasn't going

738
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:27.320
to happen anyways. Well, I aim to get here, you know,

739
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.639
and I have just one wonderful background echo here. But

740
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:32.559
it's good.

741
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:35.960
Are you able to see the show now on your phone?

742
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:36.840
I can see it.

743
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:38.800
Yeah, I got my reading glasses on.

744
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:43.199
So nice, nice, So welcome back with us full. But

745
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.360
you still didn't get the video working out right.

746
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:48.880
I was going to try that, and I said, after

747
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.000
forty five minutes of trying to unlock this, for some reason,

748
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:53.280
it was blocked on my phone.

749
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:53.880
I had to.

750
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:57.360
Dig deep, so I had to be my own it person.

751
00:42:57.480 --> 00:42:59.800
I said, I'm not spending another fight of forty five

752
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:01.239
minut and it's unlocked the camera.

753
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:04.800
Well, and hopefully they would be in the same location,

754
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:06.800
but I don't know. I've not seen it or viewed

755
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.159
it from the Google telephone.

756
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.320
This is just unreally, it's it kept on the same life.

757
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:16.800
It's blocked. It's blocked, and I didn't have an explanation. Anyways,

758
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:17.719
we'll get to that later.

759
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:21.480
Well, and did you find any information on mister William Coleman,

760
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:24.559
because is there I'm now wondering if there's a possibility

761
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:26.239
that he changed his name as well.

762
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.679
All I know is what I started going down a

763
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:35.719
rabbit hole and there is some person who is with

764
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.199
the last name of Coleman, not this William Coleman, but

765
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:43.400
that did some wrote some books on the Iranian life

766
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:47.840
of nineteen seventy nine, and uh, and I thought, is

767
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:51.800
this person related? Is the person I'm seeing about some book?

768
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:54.960
You know? His father? I had a lot of questions,

769
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.000
So I was going down some rabbit holes.

770
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.320
So is it normal? And I don't know if you

771
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.440
know the answer to this. I wish Nolan had joined

772
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:04.920
us today. But is it normal for them to allow

773
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:09.000
people here on visas to make changes to their names.

774
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:12.639
I think since it's the nineties, you might want to

775
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:14.960
try asking the Clinton administration.

776
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:20.400
I wonder, you mean, the best friends of Trump.

777
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:26.360
All I know is I'm seeing things from nineteen seventy nine,

778
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:33.440
the Iranian Revolution, and I'm wondering, is this person from

779
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:37.840
before that, which would be actually a good flag if

780
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:41.079
it was during when there was the Prince and Princess

781
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:45.519
of Iran and we were under much more better, better

782
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.960
things with him. Did he come here after the collapse

783
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:55.920
of that civilization and during Carter's the Iranian hostage crisis

784
00:44:55.960 --> 00:45:01.880
and that era. But it is I think logically that

785
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:06.199
if they did come here under pressure like that, that

786
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.519
they were going to be allowed to change their name.

787
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:13.360
But I don't see him as as americanized, you know,

788
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:17.199
like nationalized, And you know, I don't know. That's my question.

789
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:22.320
Is this person a US citizen with the change name?

790
00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:24.360
Well?

791
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:26.400
Well, I know they went to charge him and they

792
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:28.559
said we can't charge him under that name. We have

793
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:32.599
to charge them under am ild and whatever the last

794
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:35.079
name started out as.

795
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:39.360
Well, But then he would have been locked up under

796
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:42.239
that name that would have I'm yeah, now I get

797
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.000
really confused about the whole name change situation. If this

798
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.239
is if this is correct and we have the right

799
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:49.920
person now, it really makes me want to kind of

800
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.840
dig into it. Yeah. So, like just in the last

801
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.880
couple of weeks, I'd found out that and I didn't

802
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:58.960
know this because I don't follow politics for the most part.

803
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:03.599
I vote for a a party based on beliefs and

804
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:06.920
how that benefits me as a citizen. And it turns

805
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:10.400
out that Trump was a former Democrat. And I thought

806
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:13.480
that to be extremely interesting because I'm getting all of

807
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:17.800
this you know, throwback from the Dems, my friends that

808
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:22.079
are Democratic that this is one of their people, this

809
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:26.000
is their party, this individual that they hate so badly

810
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:29.000
for being a Republican and putting a foot down in

811
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.480
these areas as a Republican is something he would have

812
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:36.880
done whether he was a Democratic president or a Republican president. Correct.

813
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.800
Yeah, And you know, there's a lot of saying now

814
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:46.119
that today's Republicans are yesterday's Democrats, and you don't want

815
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:50.039
to really feel people when you say that meant that

816
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:57.000
Bobby Well, Bobby Kennedy Senior and JFK Senior would be

817
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:00.360
more on the Trump side right now because of how

818
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:06.360
their political leanings are so right, yeah, so, and it would.

819
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.119
Be crazy because we know Hillary Clinton was originally a

820
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:14.440
Republican during Watergate, while she you know, offended Nixon and

821
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:17.800
then it becomes a Democrat with her husband. It's almost

822
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.280
as if it's okay with these people to flip sides

823
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:25.400
based on how it builds there gets them up the ladder, right. Yeah.

824
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:29.639
Yeah, she was a Yeah, she was a young Republican

825
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:36.280
in her teenage years in the school in the Chicago,

826
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.519
Illinois area. I'm trying to remember. So yeah, and then

827
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:43.519
comes along. Yeah. It does seem to be that you

828
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:45.639
want to get voted in, you have to go with

829
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.599
what your constituents are, and you, you know, kind of

830
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.400
be like a chameleon and change.

831
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.400
And that's what was interesting about the conversation I was

832
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:59.079
having as they indicated that I guess, uh, Barack Obama

833
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:02.280
and Trump sat together at a dinner, which I've said

834
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.960
many times, you guys, look at them, they're hanging out.

835
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:08.239
They're friends, and it's now being becoming a little bit

836
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:12.280
more true. But that Barack Obama said to Trump, you'll

837
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:16.119
never make it as a Democratic president obviously running against

838
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:18.639
Barack Obama. He felt that he was a stronger candidate

839
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:22.679
for being a Democrat, and that's why Trump flips to Republican.

840
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:26.079
And then in that quest for information, I found out

841
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:29.519
that Trump also ran early two thousands as a liberal.

842
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.280
Isn't that just proof? Again, we voted him in as

843
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:35.880
a Republican, but we couldn't get him voted in as

844
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.800
a liberal. And that truly means that they know as

845
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.920
a political society that half of Americans are going to

846
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.360
be Republicans, the other half are going to be Democrats,

847
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:46.760
and then somewhere in between are these small pools of

848
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:51.679
independence and liberals and conservatives in an area where we

849
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:55.079
as a majority of Americans are never going to place

850
00:48:55.159 --> 00:49:00.719
all of our votes towards those type of parties. It's system.

851
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.360
All I know is I can think back when my

852
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.960
parents were of course in the sixties, seventies and eighties

853
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:13.079
and nineties, they were considerably conservative, but they voted Democrat,

854
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:18.360
right because you have to. And then so now you

855
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:21.280
try to say you're conservative as a Democrat, you're going

856
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:22.599
to get screened at.

857
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:25.840
Well, you have to. You have to vote for the

858
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:30.079
least detrimental person, and that forces you into a party

859
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:33.079
like Republican or Democrat, because who you really want from

860
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:36.079
your own party that you believe and your belief system

861
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:40.920
follows is not going to likely be voted in. So

862
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:43.280
now we were at the end of our session, I've

863
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:45.559
got a couple seconds here just to kind of sign off,

864
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.480
to tell everybody thank you for watching. I would really

865
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:52.039
like to get more interested in this entire case, and

866
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:54.119
I will have updates as we go along with the

867
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:57.360
Zodiac case. Thank you so much Harriet for being here. Everybody,

868
00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.760
have a wonderful weekend and we'll see you next Friday.

869
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:26.599
Thank you, bye bye bye