Walsh Review & Jack is on the Move

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0:52 Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. This morning, I'd like to welcome to the show Lindsay mcgraar. Hey, good morning, beautiful. How are you doing good? How about you? I'm awake, I'm happy, I don't know all kinds of energy. I don't know what to do with my hands. Let's bring Nolan del Campo to the show as well. Oh my god, that's hilarious. It is. It's hilarious that it happens to be both our favorite characters.

1:34 Good morning. I actually have that set as a notification for my text messages. And I was at the super dealership and this gentleman that was sitting across from me was on his computer, and of course we're set in the middle of the dealership. So there's service and people and kids yell and dogs barking. There's all kinds of things going on, and this man has the nerve to look over to me and tell me to silence my notification. Now, the minions laughter is absolutely great. I almost laugh every time I hear my own notification. But how dare this guy be such a humbug? As? Could you turn that down? Please? I'm like, oh God, and I'm so noisy, angry individual. Obviously that wasn't having a good day or he's that way all the time, And thank goodness, I don't know him. Come on, who doesn't like laughter? If that's the whole notification is them laughing?

2:39 I just I fall out every time. It's like SpongeBob. If you hear that fun song the f is for Friends and you is for that literally starts laughing and I lose it. I can't sing the song anymore. Oh yeah, what what's funny? Is? Uh? What's even more funny is the the stuff they put in SpongeBob, like and it's supposed to be for kids, and you're like. What. Realize you didn't realize it when you were little? But like then when you as an adult watch like you see it on TV and you're like, oh my god, is this is this real life? Like what it's your young heart? Because I only know it as an adult. Well, no, I knew it.

3:19 I was like a teenager whenever. But I remember it being on my little cousins and stuff. And even when I was a teenager, I didn't even notice it, all right. I got corrected only because I didn't finish it. And one says it and I'm gonna try to do this, but it's epis for friends who do things together you, is for you and me, and is for anywhere, anytime at all here in. The deep lucy, Oh my god, we are definitely at that level. I said, I don't know what to do with my hands. Did you have a Nialani today? And I'm barely on my coffee? I just started whatever.

4:02 I got some good sleep? Is that an energy drink? Y'all don't know about Alani's what now? Now, I can't drink energy drinks. If you imagine this energy that I have right now, put me on one of those, you all kick me to the curb. You won't be able to stand me, I promise, all right, So last week we left off on the Herald Bloom letter, which I barely made it through reading. We didn't really have an opportunity to discuss. So we are back today with Lindsay mcbrair to talk a little bit about this letter. So you found this in the atom wash files. Correct. Yes, Now it appears as though based on this notation at the bottom, and this looks like a card that's probably created by the Hollywood PD. I don't believe that this was written in conjunction with the letter, but it is labeled John R.

4:56 Walsh and in the bottom of it it says has been receiving mail and pH calls lost and yeah regards to this letter. So obviously Harold Bloom is trying to reach out to him pretty pretty hard, right mm hmmm. Oh yeah. There's several different letters in there from him really. Yeah, there's some to the police into him and to John Walsh. So what what what made you pull this one of all the ones that you saw? Uh? Well, I thought it was significant because that way it's you see that that is documented legal legal document where it says that you know, it just proves our point of them constantly receiving calls and things like that, and then because it doesn't really specify it, it doesn't say that it was that he's been seving receiving multiple from Harold Bloom. He's been receiving multiple in general, and we do know that so, but Harold Bloom has sinned multiple But I don't think that that particular one is saying that directly towards Harold Bloom, because they're like, the way the case file is set up is so like discombobulated, like it's all out of order, and so it's like you have to piece it together yourself, and especially when you're on.

6:10 A computer doing that. Yeah, right, it's a lot harder than if you had it all print it out, you know. Yeah, I'm not sure if it ran in date order or not. It seemed like I would find things skipping around in the zodiac files, so I then had to come and put them in chronological order. So you're right in that aspect. The files are jumbled. They're scanned in with no rhyme nor reason. They definitely don't walk from beginning of the case to the end of the case, which is something that I've been trying to do with Jack's evidence so that people can meet know and see who Jack was through his life. We're going to get an earful today on him. But I was kind of I was kind of like a little confused because it says white male, date of birth twelve nine oh seven. Who.

6:56 Yeah, Yeah, I don't know why he wrote why they wrote that on that either? No? Oh, no, he died in eighty one. Yeah, and I don't even know it could have been seven. Whose day of birthday? I don't know whose that could have been. Now, John WASH's birthday is in is in December? It's not December ninth, and it's not in two thousand and seven. Correct. Also, the number underneath press looks like a phone number and not zip code. Yeah, for zip code, but there's no area code. Correct.

7:36 Well, a lot of them don't have a lot of them don't have an area code because I guess they just when they're drotting things down, it's they know so. They're in their area already. Yeah, that makes sense, all right. So as I went like that, as we went through this, and we do recognize that in our first couple of segments together, lindsay that Harold Bloom was mentioned in a newspaper article is one of the theories as to what had occurred with Adam Walsh. That amongst O'Toole, which we know is a complete joke. Uh And and I think a couple other theories, but this one stood out to us because he kept claiming that this was a political move, that this was mob related. I mean even in this letter he says they're basically one and the same thing, and that the Hollywood Police Department felt that this was a mob hit from the beginning.

8:31 Oh yeah, they did. And have you read this entire note. It's where he's saying that they made some kind of deal. It was some kind of deal went wrong, and it was had tied to the mob, had ties to Nixon, had ties to uh but the Bahamas, the Paradise Hotel, and he did. The Paradise Hotel. I didn't read the Paradise Hotel in here, but that's interesting. So that been another letter, but I may I may not have sent you. Yeah, but well then I definitely see that one because we know that the zodiac refers to Paradise, and while he's played on it, using it making it look as though he's talking about a pair of dice as in gambling, that still leads us back to mob. It still has its own innuendos. But if you find that letter, definitely let me know. I know that in this particular page he had indicated that the murder was a political assassination, that let's see a six year old boy a political murder.

9:34 But the letter does not stop here like it did all the times before. In the circle of Vero Beach, Indian River County law enforcement, it is well known fact that it was a political killing. And then of course the Hollywood detectives also thought that it might have been a mob hit. So basically back and forth, and then this guy, I guess I'm assuming, gets stifled. Right. I don't know what the disposition of this individual is, if he's still alive, if this was he's basically stating that he used to be a millionaire and that that due to what they have done to him, he's basically lost all of his money and was hiding out at a friend's house in Vero Beach or yeah, Saint Saint Petersburg.

10:15 I think see if I can go to that, I believe he was sorry. He was a big to do in the media and newspapers and things like that, so I think he was a journalist. Oh, it would be interesting to figure out who this gentleman is. And he does refer to some media people. So at the end, which I wasn't able to decipher the entire message, said an innocent ad lib to me by Hans Freeman. Hands Freeman of CNN at least be terrified these people into Adam's death. They had to do something drastic at once or be exposed. What about the statement of Barbara Walters in San Francisco? And then I couldn't read this last little section that's there at the bottom.

10:58 It's too blurry. The letters have bled into each other. But I really feel like if they're going to create a FOY a file of information on unsolved cases, that they should have the gall to scan it in at a resolution good enough to make it legible thirty forty years from now. I mean, you're not serving anything in this state. And it made me think, like, you know, because I've seen other case files that are not like this. But then it makes you think, like, what other cold case files that are that old are like this and that are unsolved. And that's one reason probably why they're not solved, because they probably threw away the paper file and all you have is to scan file.

11:41 So what if that was the case, then you're like, it's like. Really, and they shouldn't do that because clearly this being a piece of evidence or at least a lead in the actual case, you should not throw away these types of evidence, right. Right, No, it's it's physical evidence, right yeah. People get the same exactly and what I founds whatever, No, you have to have the original document, especially. Some of the pictures. You should see what some of the pictures in here look like, Oh my god, they're like it's like white with like a fake but like like like like a box around it, like you could tell it was a picture, but like how they scan it in like you.

12:26 Could a picture of anything, Like Yeah, I was like, what is this? Well if that's intentional or inadvertent, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Well, And that's what I was gonna say about the Zodiac Foil files. When you go into the Zodiac Foil files and the FBI archives and you look at some of the communications that are attributed to the Zodiac case, the way that they scanned them in, now you can you can look at the the reports and the different communications going back and forth between law enforcement, and they're scanned in they look absolutely normal. There's nothing messed up, deranged, or altered about them. But if you look at the actual communications, they have truncated them, squosed them down like they have done. I said, squos this is a word, at least for me, guys. But they warped the communications so badly that it would be almost impossible for anybody investigating the case today to know what that handwriting looked truly like. So it wasn't just the fact that they scanned it in at such a low resolution and DPI that it literally you know, truncated or compacted it. I mean it literally warped it. If I showed you side by side, and I believe I've done this in the past, where I've showed individuals what the actual communication looked like in comparison to what was scanned into the FOIA files, you see that drastic difference. And I think that that's not inadvertent, that's definitely on purpose.

14:00 I really do think, because this is the same it's the same concept in the Adam Walsh case. Ftile this clear and then it's like crap. Right, and this one it looks clear, and thing's warped about it whatsoever. It doesn't look like it's been squished or truncated like it. It looks absolutely normal. So why the zodiac communications do not is really kind of baffling. Now that takes me to this letter, which we didn't make it to because I honestly can't read this thing. You said, this was an extremely interesting letter from John Stack, and I don't have a clue what it says. Who's Yeah, tell us what you.

14:43 Said, John? He said, who's John Stack? She means. Right, it's no, this is a letter you sent me from a John P. Stack. And you said, this is an interesting letter from John Stack. Yeah he was. He was the man on Unsolved Mysteries. Yes, and he was from California and their studio and everything was in California. Oh so you mean he was what the commentator on, you know, the guy that. Used to have the coat on Unsolved Mysteries, and. He'd be like today on Unsolved Mysteries was going to be discussing by basis.

15:31 Like that. John Walsh before John the John Walsh And because you know you didn't, Unsolved Mysteries pretty much faded out and went away. When America SMIs wanted came out right, and that my thought was kind of significant. Why is he writing a letter to write? Okay, so like that famous guy that's on Forensic Files, he's the voice over or the the person who talks and commentates throughout the segment. Yeah, but he actually it shows him. So if you if you remember a makrismas wondered how John w Wash he walks up and has his hands in his pockets and he's like today on Yeah, Like it's like the same concept, but instead of the black jacket, the black leather jacket and the jeans with John Walsh, John Stack is wearing a long trench coat and it's like they're usually like a it's like a gray or sometimes it's like a light brown tan or beige, and it's always like uh, like he always has his hands in the pockets too on it and it's.

16:36 Like Loss copied him. Literally if you go if you just pull up little clips like the later on Today or something, and you see what I'm talking about, and I'm like and you're like, what is going on here? Like what? So do you know what the contents of the letter was that made it so interesting or is it just interesting? That it came from an individual who was on Unsolved Mysteries. Oh he was the man. He was the John Walsh back before the John Walsh. No, no, no, But what I'm saying is is you stated that the letter was interesting. I'm trying to determine why it was interesting to you. Were you able to read it?

17:20 Do you know what the contents of the letter said. I couldn't read the middle part. It was just saying how they might have had information about another case that was in California that may be connected, because there's a lot of stuff like that in there where it's like, I mean, people from all over the United States would contact the police station and say, hey, we have a similar case here, blah blah blah, we might have some information for you, or we might connect something like that. I think it was that kind of deal. So yeah, all right, well then that. Makes sense saying that, you know, he's out of California, and while I look and when I look that address up that actually was his address where he was living, and everything so got and then the way he was on the show, on his show, and then the way John it was just like very strange.

18:14 It looks like someone intentionally almost redacted significant portions of it to conceal what it really contains, because you can't read most of it. His signature is nice and strong, so why the rest of. The top is readable the first paragraph, but after that it gets tough to read. Yeah, yeah, I mean completely missing portions altogether. This was never meant to be. And if you think about, like, okay, a type letter should be the easiest thing to scan in and to show up clearly. All of their. All of their file requests, all their reports, all of their law enforcement things back and forth to each other, are a very nice and strong and they're all type written as well.

19:02 Mm hmm yeah yeah within like yeah, so it's no excuse for that, you know. No, no, unless this was a carbon copy set in threes just like the zodiac did. I mean it could be, but at all, because but they were cop they were scanned in like in ninety eight. I think, well, even even the Sherry Joe confession letter, which was type written, was indicated to have been on carbon copy. So he put in what I think they thought was at least three pieces of paper and two pieces of carbon And then this letter evidently was sent to either more than one location, or he chose the one in the center that was definitely just made out of the carbon portion rather than the actual type print in order to submit his message. Either way, it it was scanned in at a resolution that was much better and it was readable unlike this letter. All right, well we now know why this one was interesting. That's going to actually take us back to the murders, to what's going on with Jack. Now, we have a murder in Austin, Texas on December sixth of nineteen ninety one that I thought was completely up the alley of the Zodiac Killer.

20:21 And what I do know, though I don't know the precise date, is that this is really the time frame in which Nora and Jack split again. So I like to remind everybody that we start to see things pick up. Jack is back in Texas. Whenever there's a split or a breakup for Jack, whether it's with previous wives or with Nora, we start to see things going on once again, and murders seem to ramp up, ramp up communications, just as we've seen in these nineteen ninety one communications coming out, and we know that Jack is going to be I'm going to show you that he's back in Texas at least by February, if not by January. So we have this murder and it's called the Yogurt Shop murders in Austin, Texas.

21:05 Thirteen year old Amy Ayre's, seventeen year old Jennifer Harbison, fifteen year old Sarah Harbison, and seventeen year old Eliza Thomas were killed in this. In this murder spree, cops believed that it was shortly after midnight that it occurred. They were all tied to gather, bound and gagged with their own clothes. They were shot in the back of the head, execution style, and three girls were stacked on top of each other. This was really reminiscent to me to the South Carolina murder in nineteen forty three, the Lake Bottom murders that were obviously in another country, but it was a campsite, and then the place after they were stacked on top of each other, they were set on fire. So we have the arson aspect as well.

21:48 So we have by gun, we have by knife, we have basically by rope, even though it was his their clothes that were used. Right either way, it kind of ticked off all of those boxes, and we know that Jack has left Nora, though we're not exactly sure of the timeframe. December twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, we see a murder back in Fairfield, California, of Amanda and Nicole Eileen Campbell. Her bike is found in a field. A lot of these child abductions and murders, we literally find a bicycle that's been posted up somewhere close by, left behind, in some cases stacked on top of the bodies. Either way, it's almost like when we have these couples murders where the cars go missing and are found some you know, short distance or miles away to the same token. It is very reminiscent, and that brings.

22:40 So I found so real quick time later I found a whenever I first found that letter from John Stack, I forgot that I had took it and put it in my software and made it like blew it up to where and made it more contrasted so I could read it. And I just found that piece. So are you able to read any portion of it? Yeah, yep, it read it. My name is John Stack. How are you doing. I've seen your story twice and as a single parent of a ten year old boy. I'm very scared and very angry. Your statement about not understanding the priorities of this country when and when it comes to the protection of our children rather surprise me. If you look at history world, abuse, mayhem and exploitation of children is nothing new.

23:35 In Scotland. Something something. Mothers had days to take their babies' whole minds and drove and broke their backs drying trying to take enough money to feed them benefits. This country had to pass child labor laws to stop the brutal exploitation of children. Okay, we're about to get the good one. Uh. There it has. There has down a felony complaints arrest weren't issued for any for something ex wife for years to provide child support.

24:16 The DA just informed me that the collection of child support has been very has been very a priority and nothing new to him for the parent court. Blah blah blah. I'm trying to just skip down. Okay, here we go. So you know, the FBI has plenty of this information and all and all the money they need to run this sting operation to entrap some rotten congress that we all know are a part of the system. Any Aren't they running sting operations to find out what's happening to the fifty thousand children that are go missing each year in this country, never to be seen again. His answer will be, there's no money, there's no persistence in it for them. I've written a very hard hitting documentary film proposal about this subject.

25:20 Instantly. No one has seen it, nor I have had the time to shop for production money or had time something. It also suggests, in basic detail. How there can be a new protection system designed and developed for children. If you feel you. Have the time and avenues to secure the needed funds, I would be happy to send you the proposal upon written requests. It should be produced and distributed asap. He wrote that out in put dots you can see hot Congressmen dor Nan spends our time sincerely yours John's deck or John B's deck.

26:04 Wow. So he's right. So he is basically touching on the child trafficking ring, the involvement of politicians, just short of actually indicating that there's mob involvement, which I'm pretty sure that that's where it all emanates from. I mean, I don't believe that those in politics are running the illegal rings they're just participating in it and facilitating. Right, they're funding, allowing me, they're allowing it. I just watched the plight on the steps of Well it was in Washington, d C. By the victims of the Epstein case, and it just dawned on me. I mean, I'm not going to say dawned on me as much as instilled my thoughts that Trump is not going to release this Epstein file. It implicates him. It implicates just so many different political people, high influential, rich, well individuals.

27:02 I don't think I don't think that they're allowing him to I think that, but he's in it. He's in it. I mean, let's let's let's be real, right, he's part of it. So there's there's a reason for him not to and join that band. So it's unfortunate. But watching that just really made me, you know, realize that we've got people who are standing here saying I was abused by the Prince of England. I was abused by political people, by rich people, and nobody. A secret guy what was his name? Uh him exactly. So to know that this is going on and the public is no more outraged than they are, and they're just going to turn their heads and look the other way. And then we've got these individuals that are out here that are you know, maybe they're Democrats that are hating on people who got Trump into office, not actually realizing or wanting to rationalize that every person that they back and believe that should be in office are part of this ring and the separate to you know, separating state from church. And we've got this the family with the prayer breakfast, which you can see Trump as part of. You can see all the presidents all the way back. We're part of. These world leaders are part of.

28:22 And and then I was told that I think recently and maybe Nolan you might know a little bit about this, they're trying to overturn the precedence that allows same sex marriage in the United States. Have you been aware of this? But yeah, there's a movement and Trump and his people are all want to abolish it. Basically, right, why do you have to get in people's bedrooms or right, that's their own choice, you know. And have you not have you not heard that proposal from from Pam Bondi, that proposal about not letting extremist, uh, you know, the shooter that that shooter guy. I've kind of just put it to the side and the whole thing. Yeah, well I've heard business pieces about him, but apparently he's a trans or something. And uh, they're trying to have those type of people uh banned from owning guns uh and and or having them in they're in their possession.

29:28 It's like, so that leads me to think that, Okay, well. We don't need to do that. We don't need to do that to anyone, because that's just leading up to more people. Okay, well, if they have mental mental issues, then that means that they can take this law that they're trying to propose and put it on somebody else that has mental issues, that that does need a gun and protect for their protection for whatever you know, or there whatever it is, and then it's gonna be got something else. It's gonna just keep going and then eventually like no one's going to have one. So that just need that that needs it doesn't need to be against anyone. You know. Okay, I got I got two statements, and I'm hoping that I can keep them both in track. So when we go back to the Netflix documentary on the Family, which talks about the prayer, breakfast and the induction of all these world leaders. We see that co the guy behind the scenes that's been seen with all the presidents all the way back to Roosevelt. Uh. He has literally once he gets these countries leaders on board, he then times to manipulate their different laws and standards and things.

30:35 And in one of the countries, they were literally trying to get same sex marriage overturned. It failed in that country, But the documentary itself talked a lot about the integration of state and their desires to have things ran the way they believe, and that includes changing laws in other countries, and now we're about to see that happen in our own country. Second note on this, on this gentleman that had mental issues, yes, I don't believe that you should have If you truly have mental issues without medications, you probably should not own a gun because we don't know what you're going to do. We don't know when you're going to snap. And of the twenty three shootings, this was some information given to me, at least from two different avenues. I was told in one case, twenty one of the twenty three shootings were mentally ill people who were on psychotropic drugs. So basically, if you've already got mental issues and your brain isn't working correctly, can you imagine throwing a chemical at it that may not agree with your system in general? And so if and then another individual indicated they read that all twenty three were on ps psychotropic drugs. So if you have mental issues, if you were on these type of drugs and you fail to take them, let's say they are working and they're not messing you up, if you fail to take them, as many do, then you're bound to spiral back down into that bad behavior of those bad thoughts and then commit these crimes out getting rid of these drugs. How about working on the person's real issues rather than throwing chemicals at them that cause even more issues. There's my

32:08 two cents. Okay, I just a little sight on that. It's it's a full moon last couple of days. And I never said I drive on the freeways all the time in Sacramento area, and I can tell when it's a full moon, not even by looking at the moon, by the way people drive, because because the moon affects a lot of people. And there's a song about that too, the freaks come out at night. A speed they drive like lunatics. Yesterday, tomorrow, it's going to be terrible. So just be careful, you know.

32:51 And three Rex this morning. Three I truly, I truly believe that what you eat and you put in your body can have an extreme effect done your hormones on your the chemical makeup of your body. And what if just some of these foods were being fed, or some of these foods that were being allowed to buy in our grocery stores have just enough chemicals or hormones or pesticides or other things in them to cause these type of mental issues in people. We need to start starting. We need to start with the basis of what we eat and put into our body and see how that affects everything else. Because we do know that there are particular foods and chemicals and preservatives and other things that absolutely affect the hormones which will affect the chemical makeup of your brain in individuals as young as seven and eight year olds who are going into puberty well before they should be. So just to note, let's look at what we're eating making money.

33:50 They know, they already know. Yeah, all right, So back to our murders. Well, we now have Jack, it was going on? What was really going on? Now back to Jack, We actually have Jack in Texas. Now, this is the first documented picture I have of him back in Texas. It's February sixth, nineteen ninety two. Jack's birthday at his mom's in Texas. Would confirm that he is now living separate and apart from Nora, as indicated by the next entry of her address during this time. Also receipts for an Azuzu pickup truck sold with the address in Dale, Texas from two ninety two through twelve ninety two, as we see for Jack for some time to come. So, Dale, Texas is approximately thirty six miles from Austin, Texas, where the yogurt shop murders occurred. This, again, is that proximity in which case I had indicated in the past that the Zodiac held anywhere from half an hour up to two hours away from home, maybe another hour off in another direction to dump the body, but always within that proximity. So we know that Jack has purchased this property for flow in Texas, which may or may not be his property with his name on it.

35:04 But I know his mother resided there until she passed and I want to say that was the ninety six ninety seven. We'll be getting to that soon. But you can see these receipts down here at the bottom. He's definitely giving the Shady Oaks a dress, which all makes it makes sense when I say we need to be looking at Jack and the zodiac for those yogurt shop murders. Well, and that's whenever almost like. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold, hold on, hold on one second, guys, let me go back, no one go what'd you say? The picture on the left is actually flover This is Flova on the left, and then on the right over here is Jack sitting here eating his birthdake care and this is Red and and he literally, in one of his letters to Red said he was going to have to come there and basically put him down or shut him up like a dog, basically if he didn't do what Jack was telling him to do.

36:03 I don't know if we've gotten to that letter yet, right like, don't make me have to come there and fly a red flag, he said. I think that was the words. All right, now, go ahead, I'm sorry, Lindsay. She's gonna say. This is kind of like the timeframe where everything kind of hypes up again, that serial killer error and all that, all the craziness kind of starts happening all of a sudden again. You know how he slows down and then he picks it back up. Well, we see that in these years again. And also I've seen in the case file that there's a lot of stuff that hypes up in those years as well that are in the case files about crazy stuff that is in their random things are put in there. And and He's and then John's getting all these letters like back to back from all these different people about all these crazy, you know things, And it just says.

36:55 Well, but by this time he's on America's Most Wanted, right, Uh So he may very well be getting the crazy letters because now he's in the eye of the public. He is a celebrity, and he's trying to solve crimes, right, So he may be getting a lot of craziness in regards to it. But I always find it interesting that whenever Jack is in the middle of a separation, a divorce or a split or whatever it is that he's got going on, trouble with the law, trouble with his step son and the law, we start to see things happen zodiac esque like murders in Texas. And we know that Jack is often back and forth to Texas, but we're going to see him here in Texas at least for a good solid year. So anything that's happening in Texas, I highly suggest we need to be looking at or maybe even the affiliation to or acquaintances of these other individuals that have been considered prime suspects for some of these crimes, which we're going to talk about a couple more here. On April eighth of nineteen eighty two, Robin Fuldaur and it says Indianapolis shoe store clerk, which is considered one of the I seventy murders, dies. On April eleventh of nineteen ninety two, we have Patricia Maggers Patricia Smith, Whichita, Kansas bridal shop shot after being pushed into the back room.

38:15 It's another I seventy murder. They let a witness go after being seen, which was strange, and it happens to be a male customer. And we know that there was overkill on the females versus the males in the Zodiac stuff. So I had notated myself that I wanted to research the I seventy murders. Nora left Jack this particular year, so we know he's free to do whatever he wants to do. Also, research the activity compared to each time they break up and divorce and get back together, which I just discussed a little bit. We see the activity pick up and we see it slow down when he has a job. We see the communications kind of go to the wayside, and the murders maybe go to the wayside.

38:56 But then we start to see it ramp back up and pit back up whenever something bad is going on in Jack's life. On April sixteenth of nineteen ninety two, we had the murder of a Hispanic Maria Carmen dell Strata. Now this one was attributed to Anthony Allen Shore, so I paid a little bit of attention to the fact that there is a reference to a partner named Alan in the Oakland County child murders the same spelling even and he's considered to be a tourniquet killer, uses a toothbrush or a bamboo stick in the tourniquet with a special knot, which really kind of drove me into the John Benny Ramsey stuff. Because yeah, she's just about to say that. And then in Tim Miller's letters, we know that the author is claiming that there was someone else out there killing too Oriental and Hispanics, but not Zodiac Jack, because he's very aware of the individual who is doing this.

39:48 He wants to make sure that Tim Miller understands that there's other people out there also killing at the same time, and almost to the degree that he even knows them. I mean, the way he makes it sound is like he has some whole knowledge or at least he's able to say, please, don't attribute these to me. And that's very zodiac asque and it brings me back to when the Zodiac was talking about the BTK bomber Kazinski that I didn't bomb that cop on the police station steps. Don't look at me for that. If you guys thought I was going to set a bomb off your nuts, he really just used it as a tactic to keep them busy. And I guess Anthony Allen Shore's victims are primarily Hispanic So this was brought into the display because Jack recognized this killer in the two thousand and five confession letter to Tim Miller. I believe he may have been an acquaintance of this individual, and this may be who we are looking for in the John Bennet Ramsey case where Jack wrote the ransom note and the very unique tournique that was found on John Bennet may have been the work of Shore or somebody who was familiar with it and repeated or copycatidate. Either way, I've always been kind of convinced that they're a possibility that the DNA is not going to match fingerprints, that's not going to match the handwriting. So the confusion will carry and continue on forever in regards to John Denny Ramsay, because if they found somebody where the DNA matched, it's likely the handwriting won't and fingerprints and so on and so forth on down the line.

41:18 Quick question, Yes, Maria Carman della Strata, where was she killed? This is in Texas, tex I figured tex Was it near the border? I don't know. I think you're we have thinking the same thought. I think because at that time period there were a lot about killings in northern Mexico near Waters, the City Waters and al Paso, and some of the United States, some in Mexico, most of them in Mexico, but there was a ring and a long Mexican law enforcement was involved, and there's a productions and killings of young young Mexican girls.

41:58 Some more trafficking, more human trafficking. Well, and the thing that he's talking about is all was also this ring was associated with Honest Tool and the cult that he was in as well. Yes, there's cult connections and a lot of it goes back to what they call the Machilodoras, the United States factories in northern Mexico that hired cheap Mexican labor. Have you heard of. So have you heard the cold call it the hand of death? I have, I've probably heard of it, but I'm. Not Yeah, and it's not it's not any it's not anything I cover in this presentation. Unfortunately. I do know that there is a relation though with Mexico in a ranch that the CIA would post people up who were under indictment or suspicion for that's a lot of tax evasion. Okay, Oh, that's the one you're talking about for the hand of Dad.

42:56 Yep. Oh, okay, So maybe there is a connection I'm not aware of, but we do know that they would often hide mob politician, anybody who was under indictment that they needed to get out of the country. I think if they didn't kill you or your kids to shut you up, they scurried you out to another location where you couldn't be questioned because you would ultimately probably pop the can on everybody, kind of like Epstein. I'll get my notebook out and I'll take a picture of my notes from that from whenever I was saying that, Yeah. Yeah, I did not know that was a cult. I just thought that that was kind of a CIA operation, Yes, yeah, And I didn't really find the cult. I think it was Louise Louis if if I'm correct, it was a Her last name was Spangler. She worked for one of the big big nightclubs in the LA area, and she had gone missing, and the Black Dahlia author had written a postcard that was from that particular joint, and then they had indicated that she was with another person, either a member of the CIA or the Mob, and the two of them had been seen. They had been seen after we'ds after we were told she had gone missing.

44:22 Body is never surfaced of this individual, and that there was potential for them to have been flown to Mexico to keep them quiet basically in regards to some indictment that they were under. So I didn't recognize it to be a cult as much as I recognized it to be a system within the system to ensure that these people never testify because others would end up in trouble over it, if that makes sense. Anyways, A click note on the whole satanical thing. In the Maury Terry book the journalists that wrote about the So Sam murders, he alleges that they're different centers, mainly New York, but also Houston, Texas in l A and then min not or men. I think it's North Dakota or South Dakota. It's one of the Dakota's for centers of uh Satanic cold activities and Houston is one of them.

45:18 So anyway, Wow, it was called Metamorris Ranch. Metamoros Okay, Yeah, Martha Morros. Okay, now you you made a comment here on the studio chat, Lindsay in regards to the Walsh fighting against the release of Outam Walsh's files. Even that was one of the things. I'll put that in there because that when we're since we're coming up on the on the on then on the mid nineties. Uh, that was in nineteen ninety. Six where they literally went to court and tried to fight against fight against them being released. That's insane, That makes absolutely no sense, no sense.

46:01 Yep. You supposedly don't know who killed your son, beheaded him, no less mm hmm, and you want to fight against the release of that information which could help solve the. Case someone coming forward. The only thing I can read it that is that you don't want your information, the things that might lead back to your nefarious deeds released, because ultimately speaking, they dug up I'm sure a lot of information. Oh yeah, probably the same reason why he didn't want the FBI to assist and hoping that in that particular. Yep, and then hired his own uh retired uh not FBI retired police agent from Miami to uh come in because oh he was a good friend and got him to solve the case after that, but.

46:58 They didn't solve the case. A right. Yeah, that's just a little bit too too, too crazy, too strange. How do you promote a show working with the FBI trying to solve cases when you fight to keep yours from getting saltd you fight from having the very individuals that you now work with involved in it. That's it's too shady, it's too strange for me. That's why I'm like digging, just keep I just keep digging, and I just keep. On Fox. Yep, yes, I guess your own Fox.

47:42 Yeah yeah, anyway, Yeah, I just I had a hunch. I never really watched show I was airt. But so carrying on with Jack, at this point, we have more more instances of him being in Texas, and this is April nineteenth of nineteen ninety two. As I had stated in the past, there are plenty of times we've seen Jack in Texas, visiting Mom on Easter. It must be something particular, but we know he is literally living here at this point. It says April nineteenth, nineteen ninety two, Jack is at a family gathering for Easter, and there's no sign of Nora or Charles in these pictures, so it's clearly Jack here. Loane, there are pictures of Flova's new house on Shady Oaks and Chubb's place in Sagein Now I'm a little confused because we read some time ago what was supposed to be the eulogy for Chubbs for Jack's or maybe Chubbs is Jack's uncle. I'm trying to determine whether I had the right one. But it's said that Dawn had written the eulogy for his brother, and so now I'm even more I'm confused. I'm gonna have to go back and cross reference to see if Chuck or Charles is than Chubbs, and maybe one is an uncle, and maybe I have misstated some of the family dynamics here because Chubbs I believe is Jack's brother and he is still living in Texas at this time,

49:12 So that pretty much I'm going to stop there. We'll pick back up on this next murder and other information that we have about Jack in the Texas area at that time. Is there anything you guys want to add last minute? Be careful out there. It's a full man. Yeah, it said the seventh. There's supposed to be some type of I think eclipse. Again, I don't know what it knows about these things. It was showing this bright red blood moon. Yeah, that would be even worse. Well, thank you Lindsey for being here, Thank you Nolan. Everybody have a great weekend, and we will see you next Friday.

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