Segway on John Mark Karr

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0:52 Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac to Welcome to the show today, Nolan del Campo. Good morning everybody. Sorry about my lighting. No, that's okay, you're incognito. You just need some dark glasses like Terry b used to wear. And I'd like to also welcome Lindsay Mack. I'm all Mac macbrayer prayer. Good morning, beautiful. All right, So this last week got a little bit in saying, you guys, I hate it when I get taken down a rabbit hole, but I think I got sucked in for about six hours last Sunday on some of this stuff. I was trying to do some research on John Mark Karr, and my fingers just led me to where my fingers led me to and I hope I can make those connections as to how my brain operated in the way I ended up finding the things that I found. But we are going to definitely go from john Mark Carter segueing back to today and current things, because some stuff was just absolutely awe shocking. Last week, we were finishing off on a article that was in regards to John Mark Carr. It was written in two thousand and six, of course, after he was turned it after he turned himself in. So this was Saturday, August nineteenth of two thousand and six.

2:11 This article was written. I don't see the name of the person, but it was the Spokesman Review from Washington. I'm not sure why they climbed in other than the fact that John Benney Ramsay was pretty much an international case. Everybody knew about this little girl. This particular article read though, and we started it. I started this portion, but I just want to refresh. We'll start from the beginning of the article and make her way through. It says case and now everybody case is the interesting. She has a case which is john Mark Carr, but she is the attorney for john Mark Carr. And it says Cay said that she did not know the depth of the investigator's suspicion in two thousand and one that her client could have had a role in John Benney's death, but she said it seemed somebody dropped the ball. She said that she was not contacted by law enforcement officials from Boulder, and that no one sought to test her client's DNA to determine whether it matched evidence from the Colorado crime.

3:07 It never went anywhere, she said, So this was supposedly a inside information that she had been given by somebody that John Mark Carr was purportedly a suspect of interest in de John Benny Ramsey murder as early as two thousand and one, which I know he moved from Alabama to Pedaloma, California, I want to say in two thousand and one, because this is where he gets busted ultimately before leaving the country. And I don't know in hindsight when she's discussing this in two thousand and six, that she's revealing these type of sentiments in two thousand and six because he is, you know, worldwide news at this point, and she had previously been his attorney. But she goes on to say, and her name is Marie Case, who represented Carr on two thousand and one misdemeanor charges, said Friday that members of the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department mentioned to her at the time that there was possibly some involvement in the Ramsey slain twelve hundred miles away in Boulder, Colorado, just saying, hey, we're looking at this guy, so what what is it that you know? She was told at that time, And like she said, they they were interested in him, but never ran his DNA. And needless to say, when we when we do see him get busted and his DNA's ran, he is not a match. But he has some inside information that makes it plausible for our country to believe he is the suspect. And we fly all the way to Europe and we you know, gather him up and we've extra di ited him back here to California. And that's pretty much where this article is

4:40 going to go. Yeah a good question. Yeah, oldest Sonoma Kuty Sheriff Department have been looking at the John Brancakes exact. Well, why would they share their information with Bowler. Right right there? Well, that's that whole pissing contest. Everybody wants to be the person, right, Yeah, you bagged the man who blocked the suspect who you know, in either way, if they thought they had him incarcerated at this point time in two thousand, when she's if they searched his house or what, I'm assuming that their thought process for having him as a suspect was before he moved to California, I mean obviously, right, So how she gets this with you know, this whisper from you know, law enforcement is is beyond me. But again, I don't know if she's just looking for fifteen minutes of fame to say I represented him back then, and he was a suspect back then, and she's just highling on you know, the plus plus factor.

5:44 It's odd for law enforcement to reach out to defense attorneys with any information. Well, and I think says she said that, Well, so members of the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department mentioned to her at that time. So so for whatever reason, law enforcement and what you're right, why would they be sharing anything like this. He is incarcerated it at this point for child pornography. I would assume that his DNA would have had to have gone into the system, right, two thousand and one. We're doing that, are we? Okay? But I thought at the time, but I know now, could he porners up feeling?

6:25 Yeah? Yeah, it's not a misdemeanor, I think. But this is written after the fact. And of course they subdue the things they want to subdue, right, they blow up the things they want to blow up. Like that, the media is ultimately in control in the thought processes and the narratives that we're going to perceive. I guess. The article goes on to say on Wednesday, Sonoma court records show at California Superior Court judge granted prosecutor's requests to steal the police reports that had led to cars arrest on the child pornography charges. That blows by minde. I'll tell you why. Well, he was a patsy. Well, I know, and that's kind of what I'm leading to in the whole he was and I'm not going to say he's a patsy.

7:08 A patsy as somebody who blamed the crime on unbeknownst to them, right, in. This sense, it was a different type of patsy. Yeah, I think in this sense that he was the distractor and he was given full reign and opportunity. But the connections that we're going to make here today, just again they blow my mind, it says. The porn charges were lodged against Car less than a year after he moved with his family from rural Hamilton, Alabama, to Petaluma, a small town in California Wine Country, in the summer of two thousand. Several acquaintances from Alabama interviewed Friday said they never understood why the family left. Starting in early two thousand and one, Car worked sporadically as a substitute teacher.

7:49 That April, Sonoma County detectives informed him that he was under suspicion for child pornography based on a confidential tip. Investigators served two homes in Pedaluma and seized two computer hard drives, a laptop, computer, and other equipment that belonged to Carr. During an hour long videotaped interview with Detective Martin Frey, Carr denied that he had engaged in child pornography, according to court records. The records indicate that he told Frey he was researching a book about Richard Allen Davis, the man convicted of another notorious child slain in the nineteen ninety three. Yeah, the nineteen ninety three murdered of twelve year old Poly Class, who had lived in Pedaluma.

8:31 Carr said he kept Class's death certificate in a binder at home. The record show Carr was charged with five counts of child pornography. In an interview Friday, Mark Klass, Polly's father, said he had never heard of Car until his arrest this week, but speculated that Carr came to Pedaluma to be close to the side of his daughter's death. The guy had an obsession with my daughter. Class said. He lived in Alabama with his family, and all of a sudden he moved to a sleepy little farm community in northern California and ends up living eight tenths of a mile from where she was. This guy seems to be a little dead girl group pedophile groupie. Now. The only thing that really boggles me about this is that Class was killed in nineteen eighty three, one year before Walsh's son. Why, if you're a groupie, you move when all the happenings are happening, you know, only not nearly a decade later. So whether he had an a you know, infinity for you know, looking up class or or keeping information in regards to her, almost as if he's cataloging some of these deeds. I guess, if you will, that's the way.

9:38 He's part of. He's some type of way linked to their little crew of like like it's like a serial killer group. That yeah, a different aspect. He was a different player of that group. That's what That's what I think. I think this evidence shows that there's definitely some inclusion with John Mark Car. So on Thursday, after learning that car may have corresponded with Davis Class's killer, guards at San Quentin State Prison searched Davis's death row cell but found no evidence, according to Lieutenant Eric Messick, a prison spokesman. On Friday, Case Carr's former defense attorney confirmed in an interview that she had been aware her client had an interest in both the Class and Ramsey cases. After Car's arrest in two thousand and one, the bond was set at one hundred thousand and he was jailed for five months. Carr was released under a program of supervision. He skipped a court appearance before the trial and left town. He just vanished, disappeared.

10:40 Case said, now, is that normal Nolan in these types of cases where they would imprison you for five months and then just before your trial let you go. Depends on his record, I would think, and if he's deemed to be a potential threat to the community or to be bailed out, so there's got to be a bailam in those things. And then my thing is, did he get convicted of a mistermeror or a feeling? Because I think back then it was told maybe they reduced it, maybe they pled out and reduced it to a mistermeanor no. No, he never even appeared at trial. He left the country. So we've got a William Coleman on our hands here, right.

11:23 You've been busted or you're being looked at for a crime, and you just leave the country, which this boggles me. So if his bond was set at one hundred thousand, then that means he would have had to come up with ten thousand dollars right to get out of jail. Unless he's represented by a private council, it would be eight thousand. Okay. Even then the man is acting sporadically as a substitute teacher. Where do you come up? Where do you come up with eight thousand dollars? You know this is like Jack and his lack of jobs and being able to move and buy places in different states, constantly on the go, going here and going there. It's an oddity.

12:05 I know that right now, somebody asked me to come up with eight grand and bail myself out. I have to sell something. In the bail analysis, especially at that time. It's changed a bit because of recent cal For's Supreme Court cases, but it's still essential to same. It's two things, threat to the community and flight risk. Well, if the. Guys from Alabama, that makes him a flight risk to begin right there. And if it's the wherewithal of the post eight grand bail, that means he's got the wear with all to get plane tickets. Well, and that's the other thing. So just to took flight risk and he's the potential threat to the community, he's a pedophile. You're saying all that the oh, I'm getting goosebumps. You're saying all the things that I think when I think about this man going to jail for five months and then being released forty five days, so he had to come up. Why didn't he come up with this bail money in the first five months? Why was it that it occurred at the time that it did. I have so many questions.

13:06 That's odd. Well, it says on Thursday, after learning that car may have corresponded with oh we already did that, okay, and to the next one. Oh huh, all right, So this connection. So I told you guys, I'm going to keep you in the loop of my brain. So this guy has a connection or an interest in the class case. Now we know that Polyclass created some legislation, right, yeah, And then we know that John Benet Ramsey case also or I'm sorry, John Walsh case a year later, not only created some legislation but also then created the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. So something seems to fall in line. And we've also got John Walsh beginning the America's Most wanted with the FBI, which is what I find so interesting about the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, because once I started to look into that.

14:02 So Polyclass is murdered on October first, nineteen eighty three. It garnered national media attention, made media outlets big money on the stories, which garnered national media attention and created legislation. Adam Walsh in nineteen eighty four made media outlets big money on stories that garnered world world media attention and created legislation, and the National Center of Missing and Exploited Children, and John Walsh becomes the host of America's Most Wanted. So when I looked up the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, I came across this from Wikipedia, says the abbreviated NCMEC is a private, nonprofit organization established in nineteen eighty four by the United States Congress. So that's the legislation I'm talking about that they create. Government created this on behalf of John Walsh. So in September twenty thirteen, the United States House Representatives, United States Senate, and the President of the United States reauthorized the allocation of already million in funding for the organization as part of Missing Children's Assistance Reauthorization Act of twenty thirteen. The current chair of the organization is John Grosso of Coles So Cole's Department Stores, Think Very Big.

15:15 And see and it used to be jac Penny. Wow. I didn't know that. Really. Yeah, I don't know where the Coles came from. I've never heard that. That's that's what we have here. And I want to say that we still had j C. Pennies at the time Coles possibly was around. I can't really recollect for a long time. It wasn't the mall for a very long time, right, So typically j C. Pennies you'd find in the mall. Coals you usually find in a strip mall, not like a standard mall like the Galleria exactly. So it says real quick before we get off.

15:55 That I'm not getting off of this. We're going to be here a minute, go ahead. Well I was. I was just gonna say, I know for a fact that's Jase Penny because they still have the signs on jcpenny doors. I went to a j Spenny last year and saw it and I was mind blown about fell on the floor when I seen that it had the little code atom uh symbol on the freaking front. Door of j C. Penny. I literally and I videoed it. I was like, holy s Hi, what. Are you talking about? The code? So Code ADAM is a thing that they put into into department stores to uh. It's it's like a protocol that aught that they put in. Certain department stores have to adopt it, adopt to it and uh where they have like this, certain protocol what the employees are supposed to do in case of a kidnapping.

16:51 Oh yeah, it's really strange. Actually have been closing or whatnot like the series in other places like that. Even the Macy's are closing now. But did Coles acquire part of J C. Penny or overtaking that might be. That might be what has happened, and that may be whyt Wikipedia has updated to that. I guess, you know how sometimes they close here, but they're still open in other states. So things like Albertson's and I mean these different stores that we used to once have here in California. It's almost as if they start up here in California, move themselves across the East and then slowly but surely are you know, replaced by other entities here in California. But they still remain open.

17:37 Like Lindsay said, she saw what j C. Pennies last year. Yeah, and ours is still open our. Okay, So see jay C. Penny's is not gone. It's just been rebranded, renamed, re whatever, and probably to get them out of those contracts in those malls that are going down and under when the mall starts to fail and nobody's going there anymore, and they want to produce a larger, greater, better mall. You know, they start shutting down all those little stores and they reopen under different names, I believe. Yeah, so this says the current Yeah. The current chair of the organization is John Grosso. Cohle's NCMEC handles cases of missing miners from infancy to young adults through age twenty. Primarily funded by the United States Department of Justice, the NCMEC acts as an information clearing house and resource for parents, children, law enforcement agencies, schools, and communities to assist in locating missing children and to raise public awareness about ways to prevent child abduction and child sexual abuse. John Walsh, Noreene Gohosh, mother of Johnny Gosh, who went missing in nineteen eighty two, and others advocated establishing the center as a result of frustration stemming from a lack of resources and a national coordination between law enforcement and other government agencies. Whoo Okay, My issue here is that the information that Lindsey Mack has shared with us indicated that John Walsh did not want help from

19:09 FBI and other agencies. Correct, Correct, And that's documented. So why are we getting a forty million dollars a year contract to create a center to bring the law enforcement together when he did everything to avoid the assistance a law enforcement agencies is question number one now as I get further into it. On April six, twenty eighteen, it was announced in Forbes magazine that the Department of Justice had seized and shut down the website of frequent nemesis of NCMEC called backpage dot com, on the grounds that it had frequently facilitated human trafficking. Now, mind to with this is that they're very well aware now Internet servers are not being held responsible. So there are actual laws in the Internet RURLD where the person who's posting these individuals that are creating these types of websites cannot be held responsible for how their patrons use their sites.

20:09 I think that's complete. BS. Yeah, you are making a type of money that you're making off of servicing individuals. You should also have who Facebook monitors us, Lincoln monitors us, You too monitors us? Why are these other people monitored or monitoring the individuals that are using their their servers to create or to commit crimes. Also, this kind of reminded me of is NCMEC getting rid of their their competition exactly.

20:49 I don't know me, you. Guys well, and it makes sense because they have access to as you just read, they have access to even the pictures that the yearbook comes to the school and. Takes the pictures of these children. They have access all have access to those pictures, all of them, anytime they want. And I think this might have been what Harriet was alluding to when she stumbled onto the National Center. I got the sense that she was trying to explain to me there was something nefarius about this agency and wait till you get to the part that really blew my shorts off. But that might have been what she was trying to allude to in some of her solves, it says.

21:41 NCMEC released a statement, The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children just learned that backpage dot Com was seized by the FBI, I r S and the US Postal Inspection Service with analytical assistance from the Joint Regional Intelligence Center. This is another step in the year's long fight against the exploitation of victims who were brought and sold for sex on backpage dot Com. Hashtag NCMEC is waiting alongside the rest of the world to see what will come next. We stand by the victims and their families as they process this news and continue to fight for justice against those who profited from their abuse hashtag and sex trafficking. In September of twenty thirteen, the United States House of Representatives, the United States Senate, and the President of the United States voted to reauthorize the forty million in funding for the organization as part of Missing Children's Assistants Reauthorization Act of twenty thirteen. In nineteen eighty four, the US Congress passed the Missing Children's Assistants Act, which established a National Resource Center and clearinghouse on Missing and Exploited Children. On June thirteenth, nineteen eighty four, the center, formed by Adam Walsh's parents, Revey and John Walsh, alongside other children's advocates, was officially opened by President Ronald Reriggan in a White House ceremony. The national twenty four hours toll free Missing Children's hot Line one eight hundred the Lost was also established.

23:05 Did I wait a minute? Where did I? And? When George Bush came into the effect, he passed the Law for the Sex of the National Sex Offender Registry. Say that again, then that's so. So at first the National Sex Offender Registry actually was only in. A couple of states, and he made a. Made a deal where it would where every state had to adapt to it, so that way it could be in every state where they could track any sex of any sex offender that has created any type of prime.

23:46 Uh to a minor and there. And that's so that's another system, another database that they created so they could just pick these people out any time they want to pin something on them. Now, so so when did you when did Bush do that? You know, it was one of the last years. It was one of the very last years that he was in office. That was Bush, not w Right. Yeah, Bush Bush Junior. Yeah, so when was Bush Junior president. Before Obama? So right, so yeah, in the oh, I'm looking up on my computer.

24:34 Now, yeah, yeah, two thousand and one would have been president. George Senior was president from eighty eight to ninety two, I believe. Okay, so this is well after the fact that this would have been Junior's act. Then, Oh, yeah, it was. It was definitely him. Yeah, Reagan did the other one. So I'm thinking he was the next president after Reagan, but who knows. But it's Bush Junior that we see hanging out with Epstein, right. Oh, two thousand Actually, guess what it was actually done on Adam Walsh's birthday, July twenty seventh of two thousand and six. Okay, yeah, that's because he ran twice.

25:14 He ran two years, right, I'm sorry, two terms. Yeah, oh yeah, okay, and so but again back to its Bush Junior we see with Epstein, right, not Granddaddy Bush. Okay, so we're making those connections here. Now here's the controversy, and this is what threw me for a loop, it says. In August of twenty twenty four, former NCMEC board member Don McGowan criticized the organization's board in a Tech Dirt podcast appearance, stating, I mean NCMEC has data in its stat banks that say some of the kids most at risk in the world are trends kids, and they ignore that data. Goes on to say in February of twenty twenty five, so here just recently, this is why it's part of what I'm doing, because this stuff is still ongoing in February twenty five, under the threat of losing funding from the federal government under the Trump administration that NCMEC scrubbed all resources relating to or mentioning lgbt US as well as removing resources for male victims of child trafficking.

26:19 What the f. So I have seen that so. Basically or afraid if they kept it that type of their operational live that Trump would cut their fundy funding. And did you see the picture of like last year, i mean last month of him of John Walsh standing. Next to Trump at his freaking desk in the White House. No, yeah, And I was wondering. What that was about. And it seems like he's undercover, outing him and but making it look like everything's okay. Well, I'm just more or less plored. What do they think that male victims don't have the same right as female victims. And if our tax paying dollars are going to this type of an organization that was to protect children, it should protect both girls and boys. Yes, correct, whether they're transgendered or not. But they're absolutely right. Transgendered are the ones most at risk because they're usually displaced from home early, they are on the streets, they are unable to you know, be safe in their own skin, and who they are around their families, so they end up running homeless most of the time. And then these are the kids that they're picking up.

27:37 Here's the thing. Here's the thing. It's it's crazy how they claim that they labeled in those trans but the most, but the most, the ones that they are interesting in the most are the little boys I know. And so why does this get scrubbed from the National Center of Missing Children? And it says LGBT as well, not just transgendered kids. But these are the ones that are looking for acceptance and they're probably easy to groom, probably easy to pay money to to get them on board with whatever the tactics that there are. I I'm just blown away that they were able to scrub that word, scrub all the resources.

28:25 So then if you notice the ones that are are trans or whatever, are they're confused or they're in that state where they don't know which way to go, those are the ones, like you just said, they pick out. And another reason I think they pick them out and that this was probably scrubbed is because they also use those individuals to blame other things such as like gun violence. They blame it on them all the time. And those individuals are certainly taking some type of you know, antidepressants, and yeah, oh, I thought I would look up who's in charge of this joint and it was this John Grosso.

29:10 So I ran a check on him to kind of see what's going on. And of course when I ran a check on him, I ended up with some extremely interesting links being Pittsburgh Crime Family. I don't know why. Again, I did not have time to read through most of these, but when I type in John Grosso, why is the Pittsburgh Crime Family coming up? And then I saw something from Reddit that said bye bye bye, mister Grosso. So I went into that link because clearly that contained his name, but it said yep, my asm just confirmed it. He even questioned, what the hell is going on? Are they jumping ship or what? I know? The investors have been very unhappy with the way things are going. But yeah, Michelle Gas and John Grosso are out. So when I went into the reddit, yeah, when I went into the reddit.

29:57 When I just looked him up, this is what it read. July eight, twenty twenty five, NCR Digital editor John Grosso shares his favorite meatless meal for lent because it's like in the it's like from the National This is from the National Catholic Reporter. Whatever he said for lant one of the four horsemen of Roman Pasta, greedy and ingredients is blah blah blah blah blah. You know what pas pasa is. Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. We're gonna get to that in about two seconds. I love you're always one step ahead of me. But it's because we're researching the same stuff without even you know, checking in with each other on.

30:39 What we're doing it. Yes, So on the Reddit article it said bye bye bye, mister Grosso. Now that Grosso has left the company, who will be next, how many additional upper level cuts will be made, what other changes what we see as the fiscal new year begins. I went down a little bit, of course. It was back and forth, just talking about, you know, the astonishment of Grosso being out because of it. He has been running Cole's department store for who knows how long. But I came across this one from Luna Soulshine that says I think it had more to do with the fact that he got called out for selling these men's pajamas when he is a chair on the board of the directors for the NCMEC and it says, if you know you know? So I looked at this particular we can see these shorts right here, guys, and I could see this emblem, this TRIANGLEA I'm getting goosebumps too, me too, I automatically said, I feel like I just recently saw this label, and what is this about? So if you know, you know, I got to find out, right, inquiring minds need to know. So I went into a post that I made approximately two weeks ago from one of my former clients and friends. Now we are friends on Facebook, and she will post every now and again things in regards to, you know, the stuff anybody would want to hate. Let's share this with everybody. So she sends me this thing that is called codes pedophiles used to communicate. And the first symbol is the symbol found on these men's shorts, and it's called the boy whoa art. Yeah,

32:17 so this symbol is for pedophiles. They use it for the boy lover. This logo, featuring a blue spiral shaped triangle surrounded by a larger triangle, is used by pedophiles who like young boys. The small triangle represents a small boy, while the bigger one represents an adult man, according to the FBI document. Now, the next symbol is kind of similar, but it's rounded instead of angular like the triangle, but it has the same inner circle movements, and it's called the little boy lover. This is a variation of the boy lover logo used by pedophiles who like very young boys. It also features a spiral shaped triangle, but it's are not straight. This is deliberate and is meant to resemble the scribbling of a young child. FBI agents say. Then they use the heart, which this is disgusting because I feel like the heart is just like ugh, it's one of the things you want for caring, not for abusing, And it's basically the same type of movement in the heart that you see in the triangle, only the inner heart obviously is going to be expressed as a little girl, So it's called the girl lover logo. This logo, featuring a small heart surrounded by a larger heart, signifies that a pedophile is sexually attracted to young girls. The two hearts symbolizes a relationship between an adult male or female and a minor girl, according to the US agency. Then it gets down into what looks like a butterfly and all the wings are made out of hearts. This logo

33:50 is used by pedophiles who do not have a gender preference. These people are sexually attracted to young boys and girls. Then there's a the child Love online media activism logo CLOMAL and I guess that's the acronym clo ms and mary al. This symbol is used on social media by pedophiles. It tells other predators that they are interested in children. The FBI bulletin describes how pedophiles are using logos like this one to promote their cause. Now it goes into a little bit more here it says xxx is the terminology used to refer to sites with child pornography pack a set of child pornography photos, usually in downloadable format.

34:35 DW is short for Deep Web or Dark Web IRC Text Messaging System CP slash ts slash ls are the acronyms that identify that the message refers to child pornography. Then they go on to show what they the equivalent of these children and things mean. So, if it's a walnut, that's referring to children of color. If it's a hot dog that equals a boy, If it's a pizza, that equals a girl. If it's cheese, that's a little girl. If it's chicken or pasta, there you go, there's your pasta's hmm. It refers to a little boy. Ice cream refers to male prostitution, sauce equals an orgy, and a map equals semen or is the context of DNA evidence.

35:23 So I shared this so other people, if they come across these particular insignias on any type of a website, report it. There are reporting agencies that you could send these people to. Sometimes we as the public have to be the ones doing the work, even though the rich guys are the ones making the money off of hosting these individuals. So either way, can you remember you remember Joe Biden and the ice cream? No? I do remember something about the ice cream, but I'm not sure. Go ahead, tell. Us, Well, everybody was making these memes about him going to eat ice cream because like they videoed him. It was there's like a video. Of him going to eat going to eat ice cream somewhere, just like they would video him on the beach walking around like That's whenever they were video and him randomly.

36:11 It was one of those of him eating ice cream, and then everyone and then the people that do know what that means made memes of him eating the ice cream and they were like everywhere, like all over Twitter, and and what's funny is like here in the South, we just like to expose people and I don't really care. Yes. So I was driving down the road one day, it was not long after this was going on, and there was a billboard, a big billboard that had Joe Biden looking wide eyed with his mouth open holding ice cream. On it, and I was like, oh my god, dude.

36:54 Has has Biden been found to be connected to Epstein? Because you know, he had the files and he had the list, and he didn't release him during his entire presidency. I haven't heard anything that he was in charge way back when. Well, if you read his daughter's diary, then that's how he's connected. He then prostituted his own daughter out to people when she was little. Yeah, but what so you don't know about what's her name's diary? No, it's out there on the it's on the web. Yeah. Is Joe mom is the doctor Biden?

37:39 I don't know if that's her mom or if it's that other lady married before, the one that died in a mysterious car crash. I bet it's the other lady. I don't think it's Jill. Yeah, I wonder what she thinks about these allegations you and. Yuck like, Yeah, how do you have you stayed with Joe? But that's way I haven't heard about it because they hide it. Hey, if they can scrub LGBT and transgender from the NCMEC, then they can scrub anything else they want to scrub. You guys, I haven't gone on to the last line. I keep everything. I as soon as I see it, I get I got it.

38:21 It's mine and you can't get it back, So you know, I want to know. I spend a lot of time collecting URLs back in two thousand and nine when I started my research, only to find out that many of those URLs are broken today. I should have captured images of what I saw, But I also didn't like to hop onto a lot of these sites because I did recognize that they are computer crashers. You're going to get a virus, and there's a reason why that stuff is out there and imposed with a virus, so that if you're doing this type of research, you will get that virus by entering that URL, and then your computer will eventually crash with all the hard research that you've done. So ye, void those sites.

39:01 Yeah, and I found a couple of them, and. Then we didn't know that we didn't know we didn't have any white to screenshot back then, we exactly a picture of the screen. So yeah, and we're gonna what, We're gonna see some broken links here in a minute. So as I continued my research on John Grosso, I also came up with, in fact, Jeffrey Epstein. So I got a list of about six or seven URLs. One of them was Reddit, and then you had to click on more if you wanted to see more. So if you came to the bottom, you would think that that was all you had on John Grosso. But I clicked more, and the second I clicked more, the very first thing that came up with Jeffrey Epstein and Wikipedia, and I thought, what the shrek? Now this could be a connection because the ncmec IS is supposed to be out there, you know, taking care of and who knows, you know, what information they may have on Jeffrey Epstein or why this became a connection.

39:53 It also came up with a couple John's, but I anticipated that to happen simply because I typed in the word John. You know, Google is going to pick up John and throw out some random John's. But John A. Gotti was one of them. The John Brower minook from Wikipedia, which that one is all in a completely different language. I had a John Elite, John Sumraw, and a John A. Gotty that came up, but I was most interested in Jeffrey Epstein as it applied to the fact that it was Johnary. First of all, Yeah, familiar. He was the head football coach at the two A university, which I'm not sure where that is. Let's see Orleans, Okay, so he served as head coach at He served as head coach at Troy University from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three, and will become the head coach at the University of Florida in twenty twenty six.

40:44 So, oh, that's why he's familiar, because that's yeah, it's like new info. I don't know why he would have pulled up. That's kind of weird, but well. Because it's John. If you look up here, this is what I put in. John grosseo. So it developed you got to use yandex dot com is another server of searching and and and uh in de dout go they they if you want to, I used dup doug go. Yeah, then I used the difference is Yeah you said yandex. Yeah, it's y A N D A X dot com dot com. Yes, so this just pools. Stuff from other countries more than any other one.

41:27 So yeah, and I did get some links from that. Yeah. So I'm thinking that the reason why is that my keywords are John and Wikipedia. That I got these jawns in Wikipedia, so moving on to others, so basically that that made me fall right back into, of course Jeffrey Epstein because he was the first link. And Jeffrey Epstein does not match my criteria whatsoever. So why this takes me back to when I looked up Zodiac or any other in the FBI FOI files and came up with Beabe Riboso connected to was that Saudi Arabia and individuals who were into human trafficking and things that they were being looked at. I was very interested in Roboso because what did he have to do with the Zodiac case and why did this crisscross itself. There had to be some amount of information that crossed over that caused this to pull when I researched the zodiac. So I just want to share some things I did not know about.

42:28 Jeffrey Edward Epstein was born on January twentieth, nineteen fifty three, in Brooklyn, a borough of New York City. His parents, Pauline Paula Stilowsky and Seymour George Epstein, were Jewish and had married in nineteen fifty two, shortly I know, shortly before his birth. Pauline worked as a school aid and as a homemaker. Seymour worked for the New York City Department of Parks and Recreation as a groundskeeper and gardner. In the mid nineteen eighties, Epstein traveled multiple times between the United States, Europe, and the Middle East. While in London, and Epstein met Stephen Hoffberg Hoffenberg they had been introduced through Douglas Lease, a defense contractor, and John Mitchell, the former US Attorney General. An anonymous source met with Epstein and Lese as early as nineteen eighty one. Epstein also stated to some people that at that time he was an intelligent agent. Epstein associated Hoffenburg right all before polyclass.

43:26 John Walsh Adam Walsh, should I say Epstein also stated to some people, oh Epstein? Associate associate Hoffenberg in twenty twenty alleged that Epstein was recruited in nineteen eighties by Lease to work for British intelligence, and that Hoffenberg introduced Epstein to Robert Maxwell during the ninth. John Mitchell he was attorney general. He was an attorney general under Nixon, and he was the one in charge. Of oh my god, the committee. To re elected President and they called it creep So that's are if that's a weird word. Association. Then you got him introducing Epstein to people and whatnot. To Agreeland Roland.

44:08 Do you just know that you did? You know that John Walsh hated Nixon? I did not know that most people did. We go, now we know why. A lot of people hated Nixon. Well, he made this, He made this claim in in the case file and speaking to UH investigators. Though, so why would you say that, like who cares you hate him? Why are you telling people this in the interview? Why are you saying this to people in the interview, like about your child? Like what? Yeah? One part I think Mitchell went to jail during the Watergate scandal. Prison, I think, but do you want to club a fan and got out quickly of course, probably on release.

44:48 And that's where we had that news article Watergates. Uh about you remember we read that? You read that? Oh yeah, oh yeah, ways back yeah, no, I mean, honestly speaking, we know that the group in entirety was all up and involved in that. So let me get back here. An anonymous source met with Epstein and Lisa as early as nineteen eighty one. Epstein also stated, to some people, think okay, but during the nineteen eighties, Epstein possessed an Austrian passport that had his photo but with a false name. So this is what I suspect Jack was into and why he had so many different names. The passport showed his place of residence in Saudi Arabia.

45:30 Very interesting. In twenty seventeen, a former senior White House official reported that Alexander Acosta, the US Attorney for the Southern District of Florida who had handled Epstein's criminal case at the end of the George W. Bush administration, had stated to interviewers of President Donald Trump's first transition team, I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone, and that Epstein was above his pay grade. That's an interesting statement during the edit. It just another reason to suspect that it was not suicide that killed him. They're going to warn him dead. Yep he knows too much. During this period, one of Epstein's client was a Saudi Arabian businessman, Adnan Kashagi, and Kashagi came up before all the time who was the middleman transferring American weapons from Israel to Iran as part of the Iran Contra affair in the nineteen eighties. Cashagi had been introduced to him by Lease, and Kashagi was one of several defense contractors that he knew who with Richard.

46:36 Se Cord and Aline North and all those guys. Well the booze ball and buys his boat from him right right. It's like did you It makes you wonder, like did you know what was going on? And tried to buy that boat so we could get evidence on him. Well or later on it was it was Robert Xwell's boat. No, I thought, I thought that was somebody's wife one of the people affiliated with Epstein whose wife ex wife had purchased the Lady gislaying Robert Maxwell's boat. Yeah that's a different boat, right, So, yeah, that's a different boat. But it's all within and and And the thing is is that a lot of people would claim that Epstein might possibly because he had cameras all over his joints, that they that he was attempting to get blackmail information on people, kind of like you know, the cabal were to keep the most sensitive information so that we can control you in whatever manner we need to, but at one point, if you become a liability, then you have to be taken care of. And maybe everybody was buying up all these different things of his thinking that somewhere this information would have been stored or kept and if they did find that it's gone, we're never going to see it, or they're going to hold it for their own control over these high powered people.

48:06 The CIA, the mafia, and the FBI did the same thing, right. So Tower's Financial Corporation was actually one of Epstein's businesses. Stephen Hoffenberg hired Epstein in nineteen eighty seven as a consultant for Tower's Financial Corporation, unaffiliated with the company of the same name founded in nineteen ninety eight and acquired by Old National Bank Corps, a collection agency that bought debts people owed to hospitals, banks, and phone companies. Hoffenberg set Epstein up in offices let's see, I just lost my yeah in offices in Villard Houses in Manhattan, and paid him up to twenty five thousand per month for his consulting work. Hoffenberg and Epstein then refashioned themselves as corporate raiders, using Tower Financial as their rating vessel. One of Epstein's first assignments for Hoffenberg was to imple implement what turned out to be an unsuccessful bid to take over Pan American World Airways in nineteen eighty seven. A similar unsuccessful bid in nineteen eighty eight was made to take over every air freight corp. During this period, Hoffenberg and Epstein were closely together and traveled everywhere in Haffenberg's private jet. Now, those in the mafia, those in the mob, those in the syndicates, they need a way to transport their goods, whether it be humans or drugs or guns.

49:26 So here they are trying to take new hostel takeovers of airlines, which I'm assuming that at some point they either did or just continued to use private jets or yeah, and it's going to get even more discussion by the time we get into the Lolita Express, because we're going to find out next week, you guys, that Epstein was part of the two thousand and eight crash that cost millions of Americans their four on one k's, their stocks, their retirements there and millions of Americans their homes in that little debacle that they used to blow up the market and then tear it down, and I think was all to reap the rewards of not only the debt consolidation. We see that he has this debt consolidation business here, but one of my theories was that they would foreclothes on these individuals' houses, they'd sell the debt to another company, they'd get the insurance, and then they'd throw it on the steps of the courthouse in order for it to be sold at auction for a very low cost. They were winning three times over. But we are at the end.

50:27 I've actually ran over at this point. You guys will climb into that next week. I want to thank you both for being here. Everybody, have a wonderful weekend, and we'll see you next Friday. Soon all right, yes,