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Good morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. Today,
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we're going to take thank you back to last week's
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presentation and start off where we left off, which was
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discussing some of the odd statements that were made between
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the letters of the Zodiac and the Scorpion letters to
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John Walsh. Of course, we're also going to discuss some
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background in regards to Bush. Since we're kind of at
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the cusper at the end of the Anthrax communications themselves,
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I would just like to share kind of some information
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his upbringing, where he came from, what his father was
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involved with. So I'm going to be reading an article
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that was written by the Guardian and it is kind
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of just a history and track record and leading up
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to Bush's involvement. Good morning, Nolan.
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Good morning then Good morning.
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World, Welcome to the show, and good morning Lindsay. I
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know bubble gum. Now I'm all on the bubble gum's
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blocking her mouth. Good morning, Welcome to the show. So
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I'm not sure you guys had an opportunity to hear
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what it was that I just covered. But we're going
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to pick up where we left off on the letters
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between the Zodiac Scorpion and Anthrax last week. We're going
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to move into some history about the Bush family to
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see how all of this wraps itself up around war
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and applies. We're going to move into the Tom Void
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communications and the things I was able to save from
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his old AOL site, which will be interesting to note
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how things have changed since that time frame in two
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thousand to what is being said now.
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Which I AOL, I love, I used to love AL.
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You know, I never had an opportunity to have an
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AOL account, and I think that they if you kept them.
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It's because at the time they came out, they offered
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everybody a lifetime membership, so you paid a single fee
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and then you never had to pay again, which I'm
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sure they found was a bad marketing problem.
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Well then it came Then the messenger came out.
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Yeah, yeah, it was a century. It definitely wasn't olen.
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But I actually received an email from a client yesterday
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who's on AOL. So there are people who are still
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actively I mean once.
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The yeah oh yeahs are still active.
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Yeah yeah, well yeah, once you purchased a lifetime purchase.
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So AOL was the the height of the introduction of
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the internet and the email system and if you climbed
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on board and were able to afford their membership, which
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made them very rich at that moment, but very poor.
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I think in the end, well, I think they got
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They tried, they tried to.
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They did the messenger for a while. You remember, if
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you remember AM, it was called AIM.
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I don't know a I am.
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It was called AIM.
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So so like, uh, if you didn't want to email
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your friend, then you would just say, well, here's.
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My aim, my aim name, uh, and like you would.
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It was kind of like kind of like Twitter, where
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are you at?
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In your name?
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In your name and whatever we called it screen name,
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that was what it was. So we would be like, well,
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what's your aim screen name? And we could chat and
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you would just literally it was like texting, but it
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was messaging to the computer.
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Yeah, yeah, gotcha.
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And you could make group chats, and you could make
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you could injure in group chat like like big group
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chats of like random people online, or you could add
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like pretty much just like text literally and it was
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probably fun Rile.
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I mean, it sounds to me like especially the way
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it worked out, it was probably a trial. AOL probably
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went on to buy something else and is still currently
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in the business of emails and internet and all of
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that stuff. But yeah, it is odd to see that
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AOL from time to time. Well, last week we left
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off talking about the odd statements such as routine robberies
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and sabotage homicide, which to me, when I look at
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these particular statements, especially like the one the few fake
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accidents when he talks about committing his murders, a few
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fake accidents is just word salad for sabotage homicide. Right, Yeah,
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same premens that wording is very off, very off, well,
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very cryptic, should should we say?
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So, I when I was doing my research this last week,
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and I added another sixty slides to the presentation just
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based on what we're going to cover today and the
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tom vod website stuff and those kind of things. So
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new slides a week based on research. But wow, I
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really beefed up this presentation and I'm going to try
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to get through a lot of it. But please stop me,
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you guys that there's something you want to say or
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you want to add right now, I've got up. This
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is literally just something that I had found when I
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was doing some research on the Scorpion letters and just
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you know, ended with that I wanted to kind of
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add this in. So it's making the fame is being
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responded to. You are welcome. That happens a lot with
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this case. A year or so from now, someone will
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post it and all of a sudden it will get
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a lot of attention. That's happened to me many times.
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And of course that person takes all of the credit
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as if he or he or she discovered it, which
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I thought that statement was rather interesting because technically speaking,
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when somebody puts up, oh my gosh, look at this,
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this is this matches him too, they did just discover
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it in their mind, right, Yeah, Like we're dealing with
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new generations that don't have all the background in the history,
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and they don't know all the sites to go to
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to find this information. But it also made some some
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connections between other letters which I wanted to share. And
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it says one of those times when I put together
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the connection to the Swindles murder to the Celebrity cipher card,
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which I have not I have not looked at that.
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I looked at the card, but I haven't really researched
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that card. So now this is going to send me
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back to see how if this is consistent what he
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has to say. He says, the connection to the Swindle
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murders to the celebrity cipher card sent to the I'm
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gonna guess this is the Balleo Times Herald, September twenty
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fifth of nineteen ninety. The picture on the front of
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that card was never shown to the public. I was
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told what that picture actually showed, which was San Diego, California,
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at Ocean Beach. That was where the Swindles were murdered.
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The stamp on that card gave me another clue, the
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date February fifth, which was the date they were shot.
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I felt Zodiac use certain stamps as clues, and I
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was right at least on the stamp. It was a
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picture of Mary Anne Moore, who was a poet who
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died on February fifth, on a different year, but the
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day was exact to the day of the Swindles being killed.
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Now Swindles. If you're new to the Present Day podcast
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and you don't know what the Swindles are, there's thoughts
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that a watch was taken from the Swindles murder and
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placed it to Sherry Joe Bates crime scene, and that
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was one connection that many people had made. So then
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we of course.
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Swindle was ex military too, right.
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Correct, and he was shot with a twenty two long
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rifle gun. Yeah, he was taking a walk with his
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wife on the beach and they were shot and killed.
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There were also a box of Valentine's Day candies found
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on the wall next to their murder, which they suggested
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maybe the Swindles had and the and the murderer had
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taken the box and set it up on the wall,
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or the or the murderer had brought the box either way.
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Inside the box was the Valentine's Day stick stickers that
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we've talked about. But then cross connect the Senator Vawinovich's
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communications letters that he was mailed at a later time
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in two thousand, which also matched the stickers that were
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sent in the Halloween card by the Zodiac. So there
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was this cross connection between the communications.
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I want.
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I also mentioned that the dates they like, they like
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to mimic dates like that. It's like a pat that's
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a pattern they use.
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Well, of course, Yeah, everything in there was a cross
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connection of some sort to another crime. So he never
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admittedly and openly stated he had been a killer for
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sixty years, but he would cross connect the crimes through
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the communications. He says, I'm what's that.
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Physical clues like the watch? Correct?
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Yes, and many people aren't aware that there were physical
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clues left at each of the crime scenes. But I
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believe that there is evidence to support that there was.
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And that's why we think what we think about that
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watch that was covered in paint, because mister Swindle actually
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was a painter after he left the military. There were
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things about it that definitely kind of tied those clues
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in together.
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You're going to tell you who else was a painter
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who were autist?
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He worked for a painting company too.
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enough to be somebody who committed the crimes in ocean beaches. Yeah,
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it says I am well, and a painter was somebody
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who was a killer for the mob. I watched the
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movie The Irishman. That's what they called you. You painted
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people's Yeah, you painted the walls with people's blood by
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killing them, you know, so right? Yeah, they all have nicknames.
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Just picked up pedophiles with the cheese pizza and they
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give them a different name so that then when they're communicating,
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people don't know what it is that they're talking about.
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And he goes on, which I thought was interesting, and
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this is why I threw it in here. He says,
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I'm glad you posted the John Walsh scorpion letter. Could
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Zodiac be born under the sign of Scorpio? Was he
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mocking the name Scorpio, which was used for the zodiac's
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name in Dirty Harry. Anyway, I think that Scorpio letters
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sent to John Walsh was sent by the true Zodiac.
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Thanks again for sharing. And I'm pretty sure he found
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a logo of a scorpion and used that on his letter.
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He has some talent as an artist, but the detail
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in that scorpion was better than his type of art
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and typically saying yes, but what if he just what
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if he just traced it right, Like the scorpion came
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out that good because he actually traced it from something.
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Yeah, I like this guy's taste, but the first paragraph
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seems that he has a little chip on his shoulder.
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But I agree with his tape.
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I think they all do. I mean, honestly speaking again,
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when I discovered whatever it was that I discovered, I
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then found out at a later date that other people
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had already put these pieces together. But that's not something
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I knew at the time when I said, oh my gosh,
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you guys look, and all the hype was, you know,
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started up about something that I discovered. But the difference
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is is that I'm discovering it based on a forensic
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point of view versus oh, I just think it looks
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the same because a lot of people don't know what
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to look for in handwriting.
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And ye other people don't even include the Swindle murders
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as a part of the whole overall zodiac thing. But
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what we do we consider potentially a zodiac crime absolutely debates.
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I think church Abates is definitely yes, Servis Windles is too.
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And then there was another couple down southern California near
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Lampop that were murdered.
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Too, right, we have a longer list was murdered.
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And like I said, until the finale letter, until the
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Tim Miller letter, you don't get to see this author
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take credit for all the different crime sprees he is
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involved with. And he almost segregates himself out like he
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did in the Scorpion letter by saying, I have started
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a new crime spring in New Jersey and I have
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twenty three victims, which I believe will pertain to the
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anthrax letters unless somebody can show me that twenty three
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victim list from the nineteen nineties or whenever these letters
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were written. To John Walsh, I think that a lot
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of times, just like the FBI has indicated to me,