Dec. 19, 2025

Segway and John Mark Karr Part 2

Segway and John Mark Karr Part 2
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A rabbit hole on John Mark Karr circled me back in some strange way to Walsh, Polly Klaas, and inevitably. I cannot believe what Epstein was capable of getting away with and all the while having protection and preferential treatment from some pretty big people. Which is what I feel was afforded to John Mark Karr who is an admitted pedophilia. He knew things about Jon Benet’s murder that was not in the public like they try to tell us today, or they wouldn’t have flown him from Thailand.

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Good Mary morning, Welcome back to another episode of Hit

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the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. I'd like to welcome everybody

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to our Christmas episode, if you will so. I have

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come dressed appropriately as Santa's Little Helper. I am bringing

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us back, obviously into where we left off last week

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with the Epstein case, and of course we have just

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a few slides we're going to go through, and I

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promise we're going to make it through that and climb

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right back into John Mark Carr and his involvement in

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the John Bennet Ramsey case. I want to be able

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to at least share some interesting research because we did

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talk a little bit last week about another inquiry in

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regards to a former suspect that we have talked about

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in the Zodiac case. So we'll cover a little bit

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of that information today, which really kind of just solidified

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what I had told the individual who was looking to

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do that research, because she was trying to reach out

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to Sandy Betts. And that's something that we'll talk about

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in those emails. But first, I wanted to start with

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the interesting post that I saw on Facebook last week,

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and we'll go ahead and put up the presentation for

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that so everybody can see what I'm talking about. I

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received this across my feed and it's from a Taylor Lorenz,

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and she pointed out the fact that Democrats are working

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over time to censor the entertainment the entire Internet, and

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this is why they're pushing laws like Kosa Screenact, et cetera.

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Now I'm going to have to do some research on

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those laws. I'm not sure what these laws are, obviously

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I don't stay in the loop of legislature, but it

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will be interesting to note what those laws are going

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to be, because when I finish what I have to

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say about this, you'll be blown away. They want to

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tie every single thing you say online to your government

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ID while criminalizing speech that they don't like. Now, we've

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already seen some of this play out in things like Facebook,

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you go to Facebook jail if you cross their lines.

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You speak about certain things on your YouTube podcast or

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on Facebook, and you will get banned for a period

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of time and possibly even removed altogether, depending on how

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egregious they find your speech. So it goes on the Clinton.

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This was really a post about Clinton. So she is

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reposting something from defiant Els who stated, oh, let's kill

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that phone, who stated that Hillary Clinton's American Hillary Clinton,

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Americans who engage in misinformation should be criminally I'm sorry,

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let's put on some glasses. Wow, should be civilly or

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criminally charged. Now that blows me away coming out of

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this woman's mouth, because honestly speaking, I'm pretty sure that

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she is the glean of misinformation and lying. And I mean,

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look at what her entire family has done to the

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United States in regards to Bill Clinton in office and

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her on the outst with their emails and all of

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this controversy surrounding them with all of these suicided individuals.

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But for me, I have never really cared for the Clintons,

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and I've always believed that she was a liar. She

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is a facetimed person. There were recordings from Buildeberg meetings

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where she had indicated that she doesn't even like Americans.

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I guess she would prefer to be in Europe. Well,

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so go to Europe and stop trying to navigate our

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government please, and don't come out on any type of

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MSNBC or anything else talking about how we're misrepresenting or

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misinforming individuals. When I want to say, ninety percent of

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the stuff that I get in trouble for on Facebook,

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somebody else is put there. Has that person been bound

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blocked or put in Facebook jail for it? Probably not,

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But to be told that it is untrue, Well, that

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information came from somewhere, And of course we find these

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days at least they're saying that ninety percent of Americans

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are getting their news from social media. Well, we can't

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trust the news, so then we look to social media,

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and social media isn't accurate either. So I beg of people,

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you know, do your research when you put things out there,

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make sure that what you're forwarding or your passing on

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to others that it is actually something that said. Because

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if this is true and that they can actually tie

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this back, I feel like this is something that they're

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actually doing in China, where you can be tracked for

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the things you said. But then if the Democrats are

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looking to do that and to push these laws, then

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are we really in a democracy anymore? Do we really

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have freedom of speech anymore? And I get it, there's

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a difference between freedom of speech and just passing on

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bad information or things that can hurt harm or hurt

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a person. But for the most part, we should be

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able to speak our minds, whether it's in regards to

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our medical care or in regards to politics or how

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we feel about things. We should be able to say

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whatever we want to say. And of course we see

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this on the heels of what Trump had said about

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the writers last week, which at first when I read

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the post, I thought somebody else is writing this form

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it's written in third person, and then I went on

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to read additional news sources which indicated that yes, in fact,

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he was the one that wrote it, and the White

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House refuse to take it down. I think that that's

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kind of proof in the pudding that he is pushing

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for freedom of speech. That's his thoughts. He's been in

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turmoil with the Winers for a very long time. It

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sounds like to me and that's the way he felt

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about it. And is he supposed to not say how

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he feels just because he's the president, or should he

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be honest about how he thinks. Now, I don't condone

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what he had to say. I myself that was a

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little brutal. We wanted to have a little bit more empathy.

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But as I've indicated, empathy is meant for our level

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of society, and that's why we all get upset and

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then we're passing on what he said and we're bashing

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him and calling him out because we have the empathy.

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If they had empathy, all of our homeless problems and

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our hungry problems would be solved. So back to the research.

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I had to reach out from a gown named Christina,

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which I talked about briefly last week in regards to

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her interest in Lawrence. She calls him Kane. In my research,

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I could only find that he had ever written his

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name as Ka Kaye or Is Klein. So he was

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originally born Clyi and he changed his name to kay.

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Now how Cain came about, I'm not exactly sure. That

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would require more research. I'm just not willing to do

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because I don't find that he's a plausible suspect for

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the Zodiac, but she reached out saying, I have questions

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on Caine, primarily because he lived near the presidio where

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Stuning was shot, worked in lass Is building at the hotel,

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and someone also told me he interacted with Farren, and

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I don't know who someone else is. But she says,

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I've been analyzing the Zodiac letters, but more for a

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cult symbolism, which is abundant. Now. Mind you, she has

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a undergrad of a of criminal forensics, I believe in

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journalism and in psychology, so she kind of matches me

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on my undergraduates. So I can see where she's coming

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from psychologically, wanting to look at these for that occult

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or that cult type system, she says, and comparing and

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contrasting to the Son of Sam and Blackdall You letters.

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So it's very interesting she's finding a connection herself between

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Zodiac and the Black Doll You letters. So Sam is

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something I've pondered. But they did obviously get Berkowitz for that,

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and in the end, I would think that he has

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indicated or intimated that there was a group of people,

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and I believe just by the docuseries alone, you can

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tell that there was an actual group involved with that.

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She says. I'm also in contact with David Berkowitz and

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have been since twenty twenty two. He granted me access

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to his military records, including medical Maybe you'd like to

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review a signature on his military document. I had no

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idea you were a handwriting expert. And then she writes

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a listen officer, which I'm not sure why it is troublesome.

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I received them from National Archives, also from the bronx

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DA to double check pre subpoena. No change across the document,

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So evidently she is indicating. I want to say it's

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kin that she wanted me to look at, but I'll

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have to double back on that. Her role goal at

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this point was to talk to Sandy Betts, so I

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passed the message on to Sandy Betts and after explaining

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to christ Know why I did not believe Lawrence Klein

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or Kay was the legitimate suspect of the Zodiac and

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that was because he had prefunked frontal of damage and

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his handwriting is very rudimentary. His lying quality is extremely poor,

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and that usually it is indicative of having a lower

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level of education, which is consistent with what I find

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about him and his background. So I had ruled him out.

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And this was Sandy Beth's response in regards to that.

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She says, Hi, Inette, I'm okay, but I got another

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death threat from my suspect on December one, twenty twenty five.

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I'd be really interested in seeing that, Sandy. I hope

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all is well with you. Tell the person who likes

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Kine for a z suspect that Larry Kane has been

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proven to not be the Zodiac. Detective Tom Bruton from

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SFPD went to meet Kane god his DNA prince and handwriting.

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Nothing matched. It was valleopd in nineteen ninety who told

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me the picture I have of my suspect looked like Kine.

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Darlen's family told the picture I took was who followed

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and killed Darlene. They thought he was Kane. I wasted

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ten years investigating Kane, believing he was my stalker. It

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wasn't until Kin died and my suspect was still following

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me that I knew he wasn't Kane. However, they looked

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a lot alike. Now I've seen her suspect, and I've

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seen these pictures of Kane. I'm not really kind of

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maybe she's got a different picture. Maybe I'm looking at

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something else. I will have to confirm that with her,

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but I'm not seeing a likeness there anyway. She goes

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on with a guy who's had I'm getting feedback. Oh, Hi,

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that's right. Yes, I was about to say something.

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Hey, So this is really interesting. And I've actually thought

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about reaching out to David Berkowitz before because since it's

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been so long, you know, I feel like he would

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have more leeway of.

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You know, them allowing people to talk to him. Well,

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I guess it's just about whether or not he accepts

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you'reation to speak as he's having conversations with this gal here.

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So Sandy goes on to say, a guy who has

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a website, his name is Alex Baber from Philly, Pennsylvania.

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He sent that letter that was left for me from

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my suspect in nineteen eighty six to the nation's top expert,

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Kurt Baggett. Both Baggots confirmed that letter was written by Zodiac,

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as well as a few other experts. I don't know who.

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She's said a few other experts, because we've had conversations

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and as far as I knew Bart Baggett was the

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only person that had stated this, and interestingly enough, these

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are both the mentors I came in under when I

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began to learn handwriting. This is the school I went to.

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And I don't know why she doesn't seem to remember

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or hold in her head, because I've discussed with her

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the fact that that Bart Baggot named another suspect. He

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named Devor Petives way back from twenty I want to

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say it was twenty must have been twenty ten, two

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thousand and nine when I started this case. Informed me

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he was working on a documentary and a book deal

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in regards to a potential suspect. And what I found

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out was that later he had employed Deborah Perez and

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I want to say employed, because he would have had

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to have taught her how to write like the Zodiac,

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or at least somebody would have, and he stated that

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she showed a genetic predisposition to write like the Zodiac.

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Who was her father, and that that was the suspect

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they were going to name. I was then contacted by

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the actual biological daughter of the man that they were

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claiming was the Zodiac, and I did an analysis of

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his handwriting, and there is no way he was the Zodiac.

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He didn't even write with lower case letters. He was

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pure capitalization or cursive writing. He did not actually use

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lower case, so it would have been really complicated for

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him to write smoothly and freely in that manner when

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that's just not the It would have looked more rudimentary

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like Caine's handwriting. So I explained all this to her,

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and at the time she was very shocked by it.

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I don't know why she doesn't seem to remember that

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Bart backett if he's called out another suspect and claim

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that individual had a genetic predisposition, only for us to

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then find out that that woman wasn't even biologically related

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to the man they were about to blame. Which really

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got me in a lot of trouble with Bart because

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when I took the case on for Dennis, he didn't

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want me to give my opinion. He told me not to.

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I could be kicked out of the school, I could

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lose my tuition. There was this great, big, huge political

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mess surrounding me even dealing with this case that I

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was physically stick to my stomach because I was seeing

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the truth in the handwriting from Jack Terrence. So all

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in all, I'm not going to continue on with her

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email from this point on, But all in all, I

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would have thought she would have at least rationalized. You're

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dealing with two people who are helping to facilitate the

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misinformation in these cases, because not only have they claimed

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the wrong suspect, They've worked with Tom Voyd, They've been

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on John Walsh's americ Who's post wanted, all of these

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things that wrap up around where I'm saying, these people

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are trying to prevent us from finding the truth. And

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that's really showing itself really well in Christina. Christina is

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well educated and going out for her journalism major, and

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here she is doing research on a case where she

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comes across information she believes points her in the direction

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of a suspect she doesn't know has already been cleared,

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long since cleared, just like Arthur Yellen. Yep, that's what

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It reminds me a lot about him. It seems very

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there's so many similarities to that to him.

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information out there for people to come to the conclusion

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that Caine somehow, and Cain again, I've never seen anything

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that this man's written where he called himself Kane. So

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I don't know if they just called him Kane because

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they found those letters in the in the three point

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forty and decided, oh, I'm gonna you know, it must

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be a guy named Kane. Well it's almost like they

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twist the information to fit the i'spect they're trying to blame.

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But I didn't see any way this man called himself Kane.

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So yeah, onward, upward, moving forward, moving forward. Yeah, we

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got to get through this Cepstine stuff. He's making me crazy.

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I'm about done with him. I'm so mad over all

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of this stuff. When I look at the Protection, you.

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Just have to kind of take bits and pieces of

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it because it's so much that like, and it's hard

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for us to comprehend and portray it, you know, rather

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than just being throwed in there like we've been in

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it and then we see how crazy it is, so

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you just have to kind of like take breaks literally

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from it, and then like it always, you always come

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back to it because it always wraps it up, grabs

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itself back around its web.

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You know. So yeah, yeah, I mean the degrees of

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separation here are none. There are no degrees of separation.

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You have no choice but to climb back in, but

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to watch and see how these people were protecting over

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their dastardly deeds, whether it was the fall of the

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real estate market in two thousand and eight. We're starting

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to see that there are more things that Epstein has

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been involved with but has been protected from and never

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been busted, Not in any Ponzi scheme, not in this

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bear Stearns thing. Like this man could turn evidence and

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now all of a sudden, he's important. We're not going

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to mess with him. We've got DA's. In fact, let

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me just continue on with this here article, because it's

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just another area of protection. So it says Epstein served

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almost thirteen months of his eighteen month sentence before being

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released in July twenty second, two thousand and nine, for

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a year of probation on house arrest until August twenty ten.

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His early release after thirteen of eighteen months served was

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because he provided information regarding the bear Stearns executives Ralph

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Koffi and Matthew Tannin, whose conduct was scrutinized by the

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SDNY court in the inn read bear Stearns Company's Incs

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securities derivative and ersa litigation before the bank was acquired

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by GP Morgan Chase. While on probation, he has allowed

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numerous trips on his corporate jet who is on probation

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and gets on their corporate jet to his residences in

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Manhattan and the US Virgin Islands. He has allowed long

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shopping trips and walks around Palm Beach for exercise. After

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it contested hearing in January twenty eleven and an appeal,

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he stayed registered in New York State as a Level

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three high risk of repeat of sex offender, a lifelong designation. Now,

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I want everybody to understand that they called they called

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in another article that I read where he was allowed

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to return to Manhattan in the US Virgin Islands, they

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called this his primary homes. Now he's in real estate.

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I've been in real estate, and anybody who's been in

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real estate knows that you're only allowed to have one

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primary residence. The sole purpose for that is a lower

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interest rate than you would receive on any secondary vacation

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or rental properties. And that's for the mortgage industry. So

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for them to have called his primary residents were just

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it's completely laughable. It's just a rich person getting away

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with whatever he wants to get away with it, says

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At the hearing, the Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Gaffney

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argued unsuccessfully that the level should be reduced to a

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low risk level one, and was chided by the judge. Now, lindsay,

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are you with me? I can see you there, but

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I can't hear you. Hear me, Yeah, now I can

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hear you. So why would a district attorney be arguing

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to knock him from a level three high risk of

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repeat offender to a low risk level one. The DA,

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the person is supposed to be prosecuting and advocating for

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these victims, is arguing that it should be reduced, and

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probably so that he could travel, do what he wanted

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to do and all the other things. But I thought

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he was.

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I feel that not only that, but in order for

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all the other ones that are connected to him can

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do what they needed to do as well.

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Right, And you know, I honestly think sometimes when I'm

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researching and I'm reproducing, and I'm pulling from media, and

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I'm pulling from things like Wikipedia, both sources that I

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know that have been incorrect and and shared the wrong information,

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and then I'm using it to actually, you know, put

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together this information on the presentation, wondering all the while

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is it correct. Was this sentence meant to say that

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Jennifer Gaffney argued unsuccessfully against reducing it to a level

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one and that's a mistake by Wikipedia. Or was she

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and the judge was disgusted with her? Or was the

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judge disgusted with her because she was trying to oppose

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it being placed into a level one and he had

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even higher protection from the judge. I mean, I think

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I feel like grown in there just so it would

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look so bad. I feel like a judge has lateral

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movement to decide even if somebody is being charged with something,

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whether or not they want to hit them harder than

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they are allowed or not. I don't want to say

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allowed to, but have to because I mean, they have

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the authority to do whatever they want. That's what I thought.

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I mean, And what judge didn't say, No you don't

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get you don't get probation. No you don't get to

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get on your jet and go to these other places,

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Like where's the protection for these individuals there no, it says,

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Despite opposition from Epstein's lawyer that he had a main

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home in the US Virgin Islands, the judge confirmed he

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personally must check in with the New York Police Department

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every ninety days. Though Epstein had been a Level three

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registered sex offender in New York since twenty ten, the

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police New York Police Department never enforced the ninety day

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regulation through the non compliance is a felony. Non compliance

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is a felony. He did not comply and New York. See,

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I thought in the end that wasn't it. New York

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and the FBI from New York were the ones that

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really kind of finally held him accountable for his crimes.

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Yeah, which really that's right, which really is very interesting.

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It is very strange because of all people, I wouldn't

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think it would be New.

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York, right, I mean, you know, maybe New York over

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than Florida. Well if Florida gave him his break too, right,

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I mean, isn't that where he originally was was supposedly

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arrested or investigated and it was the da from from

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Florida that gave him the sweet deal? Yep, Hey, all right,

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reactions the immunity agreement in Epstein's Lenia treatment were the

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subject of ongoing public dispute. The Palm Beach Police chief

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accused the state of giving him preferential treatment, and the

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Miami Herald said US Attorney Acosta gave Epstein the deal

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of a lifetime. Following Epstein's arrest July July twenty nineteen

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on sex trafficking charges that cost to re signed as

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Secretary of Labor effective July nineteenth, twenty nineteen. But oh

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he resigned. Okay. After the accusations against Epstein became public,

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several persons and institutions returned donations that had received from him,

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including Elliot Spitzer and Bill Richardson and the Palm Beach

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Police Department. Harvard Oh wow, so he gave money. He

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gave donations to the Palm Beach Police Department. That starts

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to make a little more sense now. Harvard University announced

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it would not return any money. Various charitable donations that

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Epstein had made to finance children's education were also questioned.

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On June eighteenth of twenty ten, Epstein's former house manager,

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Alfredo Rodriguez, was sentenced to eighteen months incarceration after being

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convicted on an instruction charge for failing to turn over

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to police and subsequently try to sell a journal in

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which he had recorded Epstein's activities. FBI Special Agent Christina

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Pryor reviewed the material and agreed it was information that

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would have been extremely useful in investigating and prosecuting the case,

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including names and contact information of material witnesses and additional victims.

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All right, so where's this book? I want to know

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why we haven't seen that. Everybody keeps calling for the

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Epstein's files. What about this guy's journal on people he

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has recorded that has been to the island. So the

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investigation in France. On August thirteenth, twenty third, twenty nineteen,

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the Prosecutor's office in Paris, France, opened a preliminary investigation

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into Epstein after Yale Malul wrote to the Paris prosecutor

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to report the international dimensions of the potophile network involving

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Jeffrey Epstein, criticizing the slow pace of justice. He is

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being investigated for rape and sexual assault of minors under

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and over the age of fifteen, criminal association with a

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view to committing crimes, and association with criminals with a

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view to committing offenses. The prosecutors said that the goal

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of the investigation is to find possible crimes committed in

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France and elsewhere against French citizens. An associate of Epstein,

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modeling agent Jean Luke Brunnell, was arrested during this investigation,

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but was found dead in his jail cell in twenty

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twenty two. All right, dead in his cell? Was that

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another suicide or suicided either way notable criminal associates. Epstein

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associated with Harvey Weinstein and they had a favorite outdoor

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table at a restaurant in the Hamptons. However, Epstein severed

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his relationship with Weinstein when the latter acted too aggressively

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with one of his favorite girls Wow club memberships. Epstein

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was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations from

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nineteen ninety five to two thousand and nine, the Trilateral Commission,

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and the Rockefeller Institute and the Institute of International Education.

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So some of the articles that I found that backed

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up some of the information from Wikipedia. Again, I'm looking

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for two to three sources that are repeating pretty much

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the same thing. Hopefully that identifies some truth versus Oh well,

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that was just mentioned by one, you know, tabloid or

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one crazy magazine that talks off cuff about things that

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aren't true. So this is another from Forbes. So this

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is the Forbes staff. Zachary Folk wrote Epstein's connections. These

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are the billionaires and top officials he's been tied to.

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Top line. President Donald Trump is expected to sign a

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law compelling the Justice Department to release the remaining files

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on Jeffrey Epstein, the late financier who has been linked

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with numerous famous and powerful people in government as well

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as in the business world. Government figures and world leaders

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with ties to Epstein Andrew Mountain Batton from Windsor. Epstein

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was a close with the former Prince Andrew, the brother

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of the UK's King Charles the Third, who has since

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had his royal titles removed following scandalover's relationship with Epstein.

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Andrew confirmed he stayed at the Epstein's home after his

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conviction in two thousand and eight, and he ended up

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paying to settle a lawsuit brought by Virginia Goofrey, one

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of the Epstein and hisel Gislaine Maxwell's victims. So there's

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one person. Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers. Catherine Rumler Steve Bannon,

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business figures with ties to Epstein, Thomas Pritzker, Leon Black.

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All of these people are millionaires, billionaires, you name it.

460
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.119
It comes back down to Read Hoffman and Peter Thiel.

461
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:35.160
This is the PayPal mafia that we spoke about last week.

462
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:37.640
So now we have a secondary article in the Forbes

463
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:43.680
magazine stating that there is allegations of associations there, So

464
00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.160
kind of in the whole I want to do a

465
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:53.079
basic rundown on John Mark Carr as a overall summary

466
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.880
of what we were discussing and how he was able

467
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:58.640
to get away with these things that we're talking about.

468
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:00.839
So we know that in two thousand, john Mark Carr

469
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:04.119
moves from Alabama to Pataluma, California, eight tenths of a

470
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.480
mile from class Is home. He evidently has some interest

471
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:10.960
in Polyclass and her murder, which doesn't really make any

472
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.519
sense because she was killed in nineteen eighty three. This

473
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:15.880
is more than seventeen years later. It doesn't really seem

474
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:19.279
that somebody would be that interested seventeen years later, or

475
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.799
even believed that the parents still lived in the same area.

476
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:24.880
There's really no reason to believe that he moved to

477
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:28.200
Pataloma because of class. But two thousand and one, John

478
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.720
Mark Carr is arrested as a substitute teacher for having

479
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.400
child poortography on his computer. Two thousand and one, cast

480
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.000
John Marrick, Carr's attorney states that John Marc Carr was

481
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.440
under suspicion for involvement in the John Benet Ramsey case

482
00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:43.480
and had an interest in both class and Ramsey cases.

483
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.680
October November two thousand and one, John Mark Carr's release

484
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:50.880
from jail on supervised release forty five days before trial.

485
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:54.519
John Mark Carr missed his hearing before trial and had

486
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:58.279
left the country, going to Malaysia ultimately to Thailand. In

487
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:01.480
two thousand and two, the letter to Tom came from Malaysia.

488
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:03.440
In two thousand and three, the letter to Tom Voight

489
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:08.799
came from Thailand. And let me let me restate that

490
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.599
the Zodiac killer letter. So it was appear it would

491
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.960
appear that the Zodiac was in Malaysia mailing these letters

492
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.880
to Tom Voight, or that the Zodiac was in Thailand

493
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.359
mailing this letter to Tom voy I believe that this

494
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.559
is probably more connectivity that's happening here with John Mark Carr.

495
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.200
The reason why he left the country after being released.

496
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:31.240
The reason why he was probably released or they got

497
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:35.079
him released, was in order to facilitate these other type

498
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:37.599
of cons So circa two thousand and two to two

499
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.079
thousand and three, john Mark Carbigan's email communications with Michael

500
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.200
Tracy giving inside information about jvr's murder that showed inside

501
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.200
information or a connection to this case, as stated by

502
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.799
John Mark Carr's attorney cass until his capture in two

503
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.400
thousand and six. And I'm still kind of wavering on

504
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.400
the on the capture part, because I had originally believed

505
00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:59.440
that he walked in and turned himself in, and that

506
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.759
happened to nine days after Jack Terrence passed away in

507
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:08.160
the hospital. Then I see that Michael Tracy maybe helped

508
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:10.759
hunt him down and figure out that he was working

509
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.799
at another school in Thailand, and that the police showed

510
00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:16.759
up there. So I've seen pictures where they're basically, you know,

511
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.559
hunkering down and scoping him out from the outside, and

512
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:23.799
that he was then arrested and taken into the Thailand jail.

513
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.400
So I'm still kind of up in the air about

514
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.559
what the truth is there two thousand and six, john

515
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:30.680
Mark Carr, like I said, is he's either located and

516
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.599
arrested at another school, or he turns himself in, I'm

517
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:36.160
not sure. Two thousand and six, John Mark Carr is

518
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:39.480
extradited back to Los Angeles. I don't really understand why

519
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:44.839
he was extradited back there but subsequently then extradited back

520
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:47.599
to Colorado. So was this to prep him, to prepare

521
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:50.400
him for whatever he was going to say once he

522
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:54.559
got there, to either exonerate him of those charges, or

523
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.920
to come up with excuses or ways that he possibly

524
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.480
knew the information that granted or gave him that free

525
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.720
ride back from Thailand. Because remember, I have not heard

526
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.880
one word that this man has suffered any type of

527
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.960
restitution in connection with his false braggings about having been

528
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:15.799
the killer, about the free jet ride back from the

529
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.880
UK or from Thailand. I've not heard about this man

530
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.359
having to pay for anything that he cost during this timeframe.

531
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:27.480
So after he's extra righted back to Colorado, the confession

532
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:29.960
was found to be false. DNA is not a match,

533
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:32.200
and I assume as he had writing was not a match,

534
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:35.039
though I've not read anything in specifics in regards to that,

535
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:37.960
but it was not a match to the ransom note.

536
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.480
So why was he not convicted for giving false statements

537
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.000
to law enforcement and charged for the tax dollars wasted

538
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:47.519
in recovering him, that's my question. Then he's extradited back

539
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:50.640
to Sonoma County on the child pornography charges, where he's

540
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:53.680
exonerated from the charges due to lack of evidence because

541
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.759
authorities has lost his computer as proof of his activities,

542
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.519
and then his file and the charges were ultimately sealed

543
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:02.200
by the judge, like, oh my god, we've got another

544
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.759
thing that just absolutely blows my mind. You don't seal

545
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.319
the charges. The man was still arrested based on evidence

546
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.319
that they found. They collected the child pornography off of

547
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.519
his computer, which is how he got arrested, how he

548
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.200
ended up spending five months in jail where it's not

549
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:20.279
here where we're saying, we don't know if he murdered

550
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:22.759
the guy. We're you know, building up the forensics or

551
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.799
the the evidence in order to be able to convict him.

552
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.559
They found it on his computer, they took his computer,

553
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.200
they put it into evidence. He was going to trial.

554
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:36.680
And yet this entire situation all in the benefit of

555
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.720
John Mark. Carr is then sealed and put to rest,

556
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.119
and he is released and let go to be free.

557
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:46.079
Then John Mark Carr becomes a woman to conceal his identity,

558
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.799
and this is where it really screams undercover or cover up.

559
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.400
I know that your face was blasted all over international

560
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:58.759
news over this particular case, but honestly speaking, at most

561
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:01.279
you would have been considered a lie. At worst, you

562
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:05.880
would have been considered a pedophile. Either way, be who

563
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.119
you're going to be. Why change into being a woman

564
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.480
you obviously like girls? Just ridiculous. It makes no sense

565
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:16.599
other than to conceal his identity. So I continued on

566
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:20.559
with the emails between Michael Tracy and John Mark Carr.

567
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:24.240
They spanned approximately four years, which again I find it

568
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:27.359
extremely interesting. We have an individual who's reaching out to

569
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:31.519
another journalist, so Michael Tracy, I'm not sure who he's

570
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:35.559
a journalist for, maybe an investigative reporter or what have you.

571
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:41.839
But John Mark Carr chooses to actually have communications back

572
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:44.119
here in the United States with somebody who could again

573
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.799
report this news. So to me, it just feels like

574
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:51.759
the medium involvement just never seems to end. I actually

575
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:55.400
took notes, so it's approximately four hundred and two pages

576
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:59.279
of emails, very time consuming to read. Some of it

577
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.400
is very bluzz Some of it appears as though we're

578
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.400
dealing with two different people who are writing because we've

579
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.279
got Winey John Mark Carr. And then it felt like

580
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.599
to myself and Terry Batcher that we were both hearing

581
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.319
the words from Jack Terrence or the Zodiac at the

582
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.440
same time. But we know that John Mark Carr is

583
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.480
definitely not the Zodiac. So our thoughts was there was

584
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:23.400
a possibility that John Mark Carr was receiving information and

585
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:26.799
things in regards to the Zodiac or from the Zodiac

586
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.079
in his emailed to him, and then he was churning

587
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.559
around and submitting that to Michael Tracy. So here's some

588
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.039
of the things that I found were interesting. On page

589
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:41.839
sixty four, Carr wrote, brilliant distraction. Now that to me

590
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.480
is it's Zodiac one oh one, because he really believed

591
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:52.359
that he gave the police time consuming work to play

592
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.599
around with them so that they'd be running around in

593
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.759
opposite directions looking for the wrong person. So that brilliant

594
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.960
distraction is exactly and I don't see that John Warrant

595
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:05.200
Carr was really any type of a brilliant distraction unless

596
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:08.880
his brilliant distraction was from the Zodiac, because, quite frankly,

597
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.800
if you are busted on penophilia charges and you leave

598
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.760
the country only to turn around and admit to some

599
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.199
type of crime, that gets you brought right back here

600
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.559
and you're found innocent of all of those again, a

601
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:26.440
brilliant distraction. So he says, magician's slide of hand. I

602
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:28.519
feel like I heard that before in something that I

603
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.400
was looking at in the Zodiac stuff. But it definitely

604
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:35.920
seems like a ploy that the Zodiac used. Page eighty five.

605
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.280
Car says, you would not recognize me, and of course

606
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.719
the Zodiac ploy he wrote about. However, the writing seems

607
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.159
very female, but the Car is going through female general identification.

608
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.840
I don't re identification. I don't know at what point

609
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.400
he started doing this. I feel like when he came back,

610
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.599
he had not made any of these changes. Yet he

611
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.840
definitely looked like the same man he was. And it

612
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.880
wasn't until you know, years after he had gotten back

613
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:03.519
was excluded from these crimes, that he started to make

614
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:19.199
these changes. I'm sorry, are we back, Lindsey, Okay, Yeah,

615
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:20.800
So I showed that he was going through female and

616
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.360
gender identification, and later in two thousand and eight made

617
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:27.000
a switch to Alexis Reich. This may have been employed

618
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.119
to change appearance due to notoriety and not wanting to

619
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.760
be recognized. Page eighty eight, John Maine ramsay to be

620
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.679
with her Daxis Zodiac slave, to be with him in afterlife.

621
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.440
So this kind of is some of the similar statements.

622
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:43.360
All my letters are important to me as they as

623
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.639
were those to the Zodiac, which I thought was an

624
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.719
interesting statement for him to make. He then says merit

625
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.800
life based on Zodiac's deep desire to receive recognition for

626
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:57.519
his deeds. On page one ten reference to Stephen King

627
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.320
and writing mega pages. Now remember the letters that went

628
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.760
to Tom Voight. The Zodiac author said he wanted it

629
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.320
to be a mega hit. So to see megapages make

630
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.159
a hit, we've got again some of these similar linguistics.

631
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:13.239
Need to know if the public is interested in him

632
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:17.079
or not is of great importance to him. Just like Zodiac.

633
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.360
There's a strong desire to spell the untruth told about

634
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.719
the case again, just like a Zodiac on page one

635
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:27.239
fifty six, there's more concerned about people not believing him

636
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.840
than hating him, and that also was something that we

637
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.280
heard in the Tom Voight letters. He didn't want he didn't.

638
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.480
I'm sorry, let me take that back. Not the Tom

639
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:41.159
Voight letters, but Jack Terrence himself had indicated to Dennis

640
00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:44.039
Kaufman that he was more concerned about what the people

641
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:49.199
he knew would think of him than having been charged

642
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.599
with the Zodiac cases. So he wanted Dennis Kaufman to

643
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:54.920
wait until he had died in order to write the

644
00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:00.360
book that stated Jack Terrence was the Zodiac. On page

645
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:03.400
one sixty six, there's a reference to Patsy and John

646
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.159
Benney walking in the gardens of Paradise, so we have

647
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.239
the mention of paradise. On one sixty six, there's a

648
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:13.239
poement about a poem about dying because Patsy had died,

649
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.039
and we know that I make several references to poems

650
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:23.679
and poetic references that are in the Zodiac stuff. Sorry guys,

651
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:29.159
getting over a chess gold one sixty six to one

652
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:33.280
sixty seven. There's threats of suicide descending into the depths. Now,

653
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:36.360
this is much like the Riverside letter of walking into

654
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:40.280
the ocean where he says sorry Mary. And then of

655
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:42.360
course we had the tip will to or the tip

656
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:47.119
willow going into the billowy waves. All of these signs

657
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.519
of death or suicide. On one seventy one trace, he

658
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:56.159
calls daxis poetic. I've been calling Zodiac that for years.

659
00:37:56.559 --> 00:38:00.920
On two seventy three, there's reference to time two seventy five,

660
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.320
double life in so many other cases, again something we

661
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.519
heard Zodiac talk about on page two eighty six. I've

662
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:12.880
been running for years on all levels. I'm not really

663
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.480
quite sure what that meant, because he really wasn't running

664
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.199
for much up until he was busted in two thousand

665
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:23.599
and one, so we're only talking and maybe his reasoning

666
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.079
for putting years was that he began running in two

667
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:28.480
thousand and one and then these messages started in two

668
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:34.639
thousand and two. Page three sixteen uses twenty thirty for

669
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.719
a time reference, which is a military reference. I don't

670
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.239
know that John Mark Carr spent any time in the military,

671
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:46.320
but he also references the snow. We have movie and

672
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:50.119
media references just like the Zodiac. So on page ninety six,

673
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:54.079
watch A and E interview just like Zodiac watched Badlands

674
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.159
and other media on the case. Michael Tracy and David

675
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:02.639
Mills filming documentaries with the Ramseys. Dax's contacted David Mills

676
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.400
just like the Scorpion contacted John Walsh as a suspect

677
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.920
wanting to tell the truth. Tim Miller did the same

678
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:15.239
thing to Zodiac equals Tom Voyd trying to get his

679
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:20.280
story out there. Daxas calls himself like Stephen King, then

680
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:24.800
thanks Tracy for comparing the likes of him to Stephen King.

681
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:29.639
I'm extremely confused. So what is this little game that

682
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.239
they're playing back and forth? I really don't get it.

683
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:36.119
On page one twenty six, he says Patrician John used

684
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:39.159
that quote because it was heavily influenced by a similar

685
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:44.119
quote in a favored film. On page three thirteen, knows

686
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.519
that Tracy is making a documentary on the ten year

687
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:51.639
anniversary of Jbr's death. Page three thirty four, Shakespeare Bookstore,

688
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:56.199
three thirty nine. Vogue Bambini Magazine three forty seven wants

689
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:58.519
Johnny Depp to play him in the movie. We know

690
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:01.119
that the Zodiac, says, I wonder who'll play me in

691
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:04.880
the movie three ninety three. Roger Waters when the Tigers

692
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.559
Broke Free the Wall dB D three ninety four, he

693
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.400
refers to the Executioners song, and we know that this

694
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:14.519
is something that is very much Zodiac. Three ninety seven,

695
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:19.000
book Reader and movie Watcher, page four hundred. Sound of

696
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.480
music was playing on the computer. Page four h two

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he refers to Rainman and page three seventy eight interviewers

698
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he likes Larry King, Charlie Rose, Michael Tracy, and it

699
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:33.079
seems it cut off. I didn't either continue or I

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thought there was going to be an additional person. But

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let me just take you back to Larry King, because

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Bart Baggett, the one that worked with Tom Voyd and

703
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on John Walsh's America's Most Wanted, was also the consultant

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for Larry King. The circles just kind of keep taking

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me back, just like Lindsay said, page three seventy eight,

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Catch me if you can. That's Dicaprion Hanks, right, all right,

707
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make sure I'm on time? Here is still so continuing

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with those emails, John Mark Carr claims He claims of

709
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already having been investigated for murder and child molestation, and

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00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:12.880
family were okay with jbr's attraction until the investigation page

711
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eighty six. What investigation? He clearly is indicating a previous

712
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.159
investigation into him on page eighty nine to ninety four,

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which is a direct statement to being investigated for jbr's death,

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but there's no mention of John Mark Carr as a

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possible suspect being investigated until these emails. Until I saw

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the article where cass Is attorney indicated that individuals had

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00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.960
believed him to be involved in some sort of way

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00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:41.039
with John Bene Ramsey's death. He claims that he's had

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multiple residences Page ninety six claims youth of Gothic devices.

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I wanted to check to see what that was, what

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was meant by that, but I never did figure that out.

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In all the emails, he said he had a deep

723
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:58.079
love for Patsy Ramsey and did Jack Terrence follow her

724
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.519
around two? I wondered sick perverted love for a mother

725
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:05.119
as described by many psychologists when referring to the Zodiac

726
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:11.119
has mother issues. One fifty eight Daxis covers his sexual

727
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:15.079
intimacy with his mother. Psychologists long since explained a perverse

728
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.360
love of the mother in the Zodiac case. So it

729
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:19.599
seems to kind of fit the bill we're dealing with.

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Almost it sounds like two from the same egg. Seems

731
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this was a ploy to further a previous abuse charge,

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as if JBR was to have understood this type of

733
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:35.079
love already and she didn't. Author recognizes that Tracy never

734
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.360
says his name in his letters, which is a huge

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00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:41.039
way the suspect speaks in these communications. On page one

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oh nine, Tracy asks why Carr hates silence so much.

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I'm starting to think that the time is running out

738
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for Jack Terrence and not Patsy. His patients is running out,

739
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.280
and he believes the truth will never come out as

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it hasn't in the past, and he's about to die.

741
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So some of these I'm comparing directly to what I

742
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:03.599
believe Jack Terrence is probably looking for after trying to

743
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:06.360
reach out to so many individuals to say, hey, you guys,

744
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I am the person I want to tell my story.

745
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.159
You need to get it right. But he still wants

746
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to do it from an incognito or an anonymous stance,

747
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and it doesn't seem that anybody's willing to pay that

748
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.400
kind of attention. On page one fifty seven, it says,

749
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better do this quick. He's out of work, out of money,

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and this is a ploy for getting books out now,

751
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:29.760
or the urgency to make money off of books from

752
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:33.239
this story. On page two twenty four, reference to phone

753
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:36.559
calls being recorded I know that that was something that

754
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.400
Dennis said that Jack taught him, and Dennis employed on

755
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.280
many people. We've heard him record from law enforcement, from

756
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:46.480
San Francisco PD, from the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department, from

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00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:49.599
the FBI. We have recordings on all of their interact

758
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:53.000
not all of their interactions, but several of their interactions.

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On page two thirty three, wants Pick of standing in

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00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:59.920
front of his grandmother's home for the opening in the book,

761
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.079
very interesting, July thirteenth. Time is running out to write

762
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:08.039
this book? Why what is running out on July thirteenth

763
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:11.320
for John Mark Carr? I mean, clearly he does if

764
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he was being investigated or followed and was subsequently arrested,

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00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:19.480
he wouldn't have known that this was coming. If he

766
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knew that Jack had just passed, and that there was

767
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.519
a potential for Dennis outing all of this information before

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00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:29.840
the book is written. That that might express some type

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of a concern or a time restraint of getting it done.

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But it doesn't make any sense that time is running

771
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:40.320
out on July thirteenth for him. Well, he was arrested

772
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.199
August I think it said August seventeenth, because Jack died

773
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.559
on August sixth or eighth, So yeah, I think it

774
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.079
was about seven days after fifteenth August. Okay, so about

775
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:54.639
two months before he's even actually supposably having been trapped

776
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:57.199
a few more weeks to deal with him, is what

777
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.199
he says. And Saturday if it comes sounds like there's

778
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:03.119
a pending depth or depth or some type of apprehension.

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00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.039
But he's alluding to the fact that his time is

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00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:08.159
coming to an end, when clearly John Mark Carr was

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00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.320
still young as can be and not suffering from anything

782
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:16.159
medical or health wise. Page three seventeen. The phone, it

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00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:19.400
says phone active for a year if I am around

784
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:21.719
to answer it. So did he give a phone number?

785
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.559
I didn't see a phone number in any of these communications,

786
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:26.880
but he's indicating that there's a way for it to

787
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:30.280
be for him to be contact. On three nineteen, he

788
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:32.880
says father abandoned him when he was six, but claimed

789
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:36.679
earlier that his dad responded negatively to him visiting John

790
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.880
Benet Ramsey's grave. So that's where the two authors theory

791
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.760
kind of hits home. Now, was he just lying about

792
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.599
his dad having passed at six to give that? Oh?

793
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:51.519
Poor me? Thought to the individual he's talking to or

794
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:55.960
are we definitely dealing with two different authors because he

795
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:59.639
couldn't have been responded to negatively for having visited John

796
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.039
ben A. Ramsey's grave if his dad had left him

797
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:05.039
when he was six. Author goes back and forth between

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00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.599
love and hate with the person he claims abandoned him,

799
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:11.199
but other revelations indicate that John Mark's father was still

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00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:15.400
in his life. Page three thirty four speaks of surgeries,

801
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:18.199
which is obviously a lie at least until two thousand

802
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:20.199
and eight for John Mark Kerr, because he was clearly

803
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.360
still a man when he was arrested. Page three thirty

804
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.480
nine claims his mom died when he was six. So again,

805
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.199
are we back to another lie? Like what is happening?

806
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.960
Page three forty six the departure point three thousand miles

807
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from his home. Supposedly he had three homes Sonoma County,

808
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.239
released with departure from East Coast shortly after or around

809
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:44.519
the mailing of Anthrax. Page three forty six. There's an

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00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:49.000
undeveloped rule of film taken, CDs, music, and computer, and

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00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.840
I'm assuming that was possibly what was taken in the

812
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.840
case back in Sonoma County. It didn't really allude to

813
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:59.000
which that had been taken four page three fifty three,

814
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:05.360
must finish book before August fifteenth. Now that is an

815
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.920
interesting point because I think that's why I thought he

816
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:11.440
turned himself in. He gave a deadline for the book

817
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.239
needing to be written by that point. Jack dies on

818
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August eighth. August fifteenth, he is given as a deadline

819
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:21.760
for the time frame in which his book needs to

820
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:25.559
be written as he's currently I guess turning himself in

821
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:31.239
or thinking about doing so, maybe pending the death. Well,

822
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:35.079
it looks like we are little Well I'm gonna say

823
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.800
we're down to forty seven on the clock, but I

824
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:42.679
just got my one minute timer last on page four seventeen.

825
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:44.760
It seems the sex changes so that he can be

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a nanny that puts him close to little girls, not

827
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:50.159
because he is identifying with being female by any means.

828
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If that's true, that's sick because not only is he

829
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:56.039
changing his identity, but he can then he's changed his name.

830
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:59.320
He's done everything to get himself to be a nanny

831
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.800
for little girl, and that's very scary. So we're going

832
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:04.840
to have to pick up from here and carry on

833
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.480
with the rest of this information on John Mark Carr

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next week. I hope everybody has a wonderful Christmas and

835
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holiday season. Enjoy your family and your loved ones. Have

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a great weekend, and we will see you guys next Friday.