LK & MM, Fake Suspects? Part 3

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0:52 Good morning to truth seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. I'd like to welt the show today. Lindsay mcbrear, Hey, good morning mornin. He's got a. Very interesting show today. I think we're going to see a little bit of a circle jerk and hopefully everybody finally understands why I'm even involved with this. Stuff, right. I wanted to start first with the presentation I was, of course. Awoke. Let's just say that, by the introduction of Christina Chloe, who is the individual working with David Burkewitz, I did take a look at his military records within the last couple of weeks because she was interested in a signature and that said Rosemary's Baby, which I guess he was touted for being a fan of Rosemary's Baby, but that wasn't known until after he was caught in seventy seven, and these documents were from nineteen seventy one, so one I think she was trying to figure out who would have signed Rosemary Baby on this military record, because she actually subpoenaed them directly, I think from New York and nor I think she called it is another type of AFOYA file type information, and it appears on all of these documents. I don't really know the chain of the command of these documents, but I do know that in nineteen seventy one, when Berkowitz wrote on these documents that handwriting is very much, very different from the Rosemary's Baby signature,

2:27 and I detected another word on the documents that said deceased in the mother's area that seemed to match the handwriting of Rosemary's Baby. So question becomes. Was that information written in nineteen seventy one or at a later date such as seventy six or seventy seven when his apartment was rated and all his documents were I'm sure taken by the police department for the investigation, or where they actually obtained these from, because we know, the military is generally known for dotting their eyes and crossing their teas and making sure that all peoplework is filled out correctly, and this would appear as though on his entry for enlistment that it was not properly witnessed.

3:10 And then, of course, so maybe even this information was backdated. Let's or not backdated, I'm sorry, done after the fact. Let's say the recruiter realized that these areas were missing and then proceeded to fill them out with the deceit, the word deceased, and Rosemary's baby. But then why why sign it with some funky name, you know, I mean, sign it with your own name? So I feel like there's something shady going on there. I really can't put my finger on it. But the real reason that Christina reached out to me was because she was working with David Berkowitz or I'm sorry, she wanted to look at Lawrence Kane. She's doing the.

3:51 Symbolism in the letters, and she finds that there are significant things about the letters between Zodiac and the Son of Sam murders that were consistent with each other, like stuff or kind of instilling that group theory that we're talking about. With the Zodiac and with Berkowitz and the Son of Sam murders, which we know he's flip flop back and forth. So I guess when he was originally arrested, he declared it. He was the single shooter. But there were multiple eyewitnesses to different suspects, different vehicles. There were lots of reasons to believe there were more than one person involved, and I believe also there were people caught videotaping one of the murders as for a snuff film that was also involved, which would kind of support the whole group theory.

4:39 Yeah, that's not surprising. Right, Everything's a project and you need more than one person. He has since the flip flop back to he's the loan shooter again, so he went your group conspiracy, loan shooter, boom boom. So now I think she wants me to look at the letters that were written in the Son of Sam murders to determine whether or not there was more than one author involved with them. We'll see if I got there. I already told her I needed, you know, good samples from David that he's willing to accept, and so far that's kind of been a pushback from him, and I think that's because he's back on the stance of single shooter theory. I don't really know. Sami must be in his ear exactly.

5:21 Yeah, I would love to speak with him, honestly. So I'm glad that somebody is still like doing that actively, because I mean, they're not going to be living forever. So well, I think that I've at least got her on track with what I've shown her so far to show that there's media involvement in what is going on, and that the biggest benefactors out of these obviously, aside from whatever agenda they were accomplishing by putting forth these type of projects, was that the media got extremely rich off of all the newspapers that they were selling. Oh yeah, well, and not only that they were able to easily pass us lulls and get all this stuff done that they wanted to done so easily because you know, when you manipulate the public, it's easy for them to say, oh yeah, okay, that sounds great, you know, right.

6:12 Right, And we are very impressionable. We tend to believe what's on the news on the TV. Most people don't see a reason or why the media or hollyweird. Let's just say, would want to disinform them. So that's why we have so many people arguing over the morning news. One watch thirteen, one watch Channel four and now, oh, our information is different, let's have a debate. No, guys, the news is never a reason to debate. They're almost always wrong, exactly. And I was gonna say, also, a lot of it all boys bowls down to emotion. That's how they, you know, get you on their side, and they get you to believe what they want you to believe.

6:56 And e tho. Yeah, And that's literally almost every single time they use emotion in some way, shape or fashion. So they can do credibility, they can do statistics, and they can do emotion. And there are three different there's are always employed. I think all three in any attempt to you know, start a narrative for the mouse public to believe. Let's go to the PowerPoint presentation here real quick, because I'm gonna tell you what got me on my kick. So basically my message board is https call in forward slash, forward slash, nanette be as in boy period forum, chit chat, dot com, forward slash, And at one point in time I had literally had basically gotten rid of everybody that was a member on the board because there was so much infighting. I couldn't tell who was the trolls who was legitimately there to you know, research the evidence. And I kicked off everybody who was just either sitting and steering or you know, would pop up one and I'd come in and put in new information. I saw the numbers immediately jump from myself being the only person on the board to the area of one hundred and twenty seven people at one point in time. That literally the second that I would drop information on that message board, all of these people would pop up to see what I've got. Well, if I'm so wrong, why why are y'all popping up?

8:22 Yeah? Either way, I looked at the members just to see what was going on, and I saw a huge amount of people jump on in twenty eighteen, obviously, But the one that really kind of caught me off guard, said Tom Voight joined July twenty twenty four. Now, I thought his name was Voigt. So this could be a fake person, right, It could be somebody who well Tom Voight runs the Zodiac Killer website, you know who? Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, and he was one of Dennis's adversaries. When I first came into contact with Dennis in these cases, he's and said things about me personally. I think that at one point in time he had put up a picture on his message board that showed some girl in the background with Dennis, and he accused them of doing drugs, and he said that the girl was me.

9:12 Quite frankly, I've never taken with Dennis, I know. And that's what leads me into this whole story with Christina Klough and me making the opinion that that handwriting was not done by David Berkowitz in nineteen seventy one. At a minimum, I told her I needed validated sources of handwriting for when he was arrested, to see if at any point in time when his handwriting matured, if it was possible that he wrote it in a later time. Since we do not know how they obtained. These documents, she's attempted to get them through FOIA files or through the military, and they say his files are non existent, so I don't know what's going on there either way. She posted what I had to say about this handwriting on her message board, and literally this man named Mike Morford, and you'll know him on the internet is morph m O RF pops up, obviously upset over the fact that she has joined forces with me, which either scares them or he thought he was going to do me in with his nasty little words, and he proceeded to say that Dennis Kaufman and his meth fueled expert investigation.

10:22 Yeah, yes, funny how they always use the drug thing. You know, they can go wherever they want to go on it. You can take my hair, it's pretty darn long. You can take you can. Take anything you want, and you'll find no drugs in here, thank you. Not necessary. I have far too much energy. I would spin straight off my top, I'm sure. So I mentioned to her that I believe that he was indicating that I did drugs, and so he's on there lying saying that we falsified and fraudulently created pictures of Jack and handwriting and all of this to suit the case. And so I explained to her that that is At first I had stated that was defamation, but it turns out I was told that was libel and it's liable per se because there are three things you can't say about somebody unless they're true. One of them is that they do drugs. The other one is their sexual orientation by calling somebody gay who is not. Or the other one is that they've been to jail or done prison time when they have it. So these three things go for a per se which includes United damages. And this is why I'm bringing it up at this point is because Mike Morphord listen to me, now, I do not and should I find any other messages on any Internet site anywhere where you have indicated or intimated that you thought I did drugs. I'm letting you know that this is not true. This is something I can prove, and you need to discontinue and take down any references to this whatsoever.

11:49 And that includes tomboy, thank you, my rant. Anyways, until he has a Twitter account, doesn't he who the morph go? Yeah, yeah, he's got, he's got a website, he's got you. Know, he's wishing his page. So he's running his own operation on falsifying information and disinformation. So either way, it is Martin. Luther King week. And since we are on talking about projects, especially for the last couple of weeks, I would like to have permission to read what you wrote me, Lindsay, Yes, all right, so this was your take on Martin Luther King. There was a journalist that actually covered the riots on this, but he was shut down by media. I don't recall the documentary at this point, but he attempted to produce a story that showed all the rioting and the buildings on fire, and the streets on fire, and all the things that occurred over the assassination of Martin Luther King, and the news company shut it down, which doesn't make any sense to me, because I believe that they were looking for this agenda.

12:56 We know that he was a. Program, a program of the government because they have it in the FOIA files. It was called Cointaeil. Pro where they were putting this man through everything that one could possibly imagine. But, so Lindsay says, by harvesting the energy of people who loved him and mourned because of his death, in which they create symbolism by making him a martyr, so they are always reminded of what they are capable of and how much power they have over the people and under others underneath them. Reminds me of a. Psychopaths serial killer, right like keeping a symbol of their victims, so they are always remind Oh wait a minute, so they are always reminded like the holiday created in statues, et cetera, while fooling the Black people to create a false narrative of peace when they knew there would never be peace because that's never what they wanted nor unity.

13:46 They did this fake racism stuff and very intelligent once Lincoln freed them from slavery. Then in order to revert what Lincoln. Did, they create a false race warm among the people to take psychological ownership over them. A lot of black people in present times are waking up to this stuff and cannot believe it. But it's one hundred percent true. It was never caused or created by the normal average white person. But many still believe that it was. And that's exactly what they wanted, a long term race war, picking sides white versus black and left versus right. When we don't take either side, they get bad and create chaos, almost like a parent when they discipline their child or scold their child. That's what they do to try to get us to snap.

14:29 Out of it. In the beginning, Mlka Jr. Was a good man seeking peace, but they fooled him by allowing him in as he wanted to only create peace and love, and turned him into a monster by blackmail, their most favorite tool of all, and used black mail in retaliation if MLK did not do as they say, which ultimately I think led to his death, which is another Patsy defined murder as well. I think MLK Junior. Saw what they were really doing, but he wasn't allowed to do anything about it. So sad I will say, do you an email the CIA documents on MLKA Junior that was released last year, so you can see what all the FBI and CIA. Did to him. He was always being watched constantly and almost steadily blackmailed in each step he made, so that that way he kept his mouth shut.

15:16 I thought that was a very succinct expression. Thank you. Sometimes I'll like go ranting on. I feel like I'm like, get this long paragraph, and then I go back and read and I'm like, wow, did I write? Did write? Have you ever done that before? It's like, so I started journaling and writing everything down, like even that stuff in my head, you know. So yeah, I appreciate you reading that, no. And I appreciate you sending it Honestly speaking, I do believe that he was a programmed death. These people do not care who they kill in the act of their agendas. They don't care who they are, don't care how, they don't care. I mean, just to see the Project Marking Bird and the you know, Anti Defamation League and all of these other things, I think that can be attributed to the type of murders that we're seen, especially as they go unsolved. Absolutely mind blowing and well, you know, I also heard that there were things that Mlka was not a decent person, you know, So it's really kind of who you I'm really being led to believe. Everybody I thought we should appreciate is literally not something we should actuate anymore.

16:28 It's like totally the opposite. It's like your history book and school. It's like total opposite what they tell you. Right right, So we are getting back into Kine now. So Christina Klobe brought me back Lawrence Kane as a fake suspect. Of course, I do not believe that she still thinks anymore. Maybe she thinks he's part of the group or program, but I know she doesn't think that he is the zodiac. Based on several things But one of the things I wanted to point out is that we last week, we were looking at his handwriting, and all of the handwritings said kin with a K. And then here this handwriting, which was a produced sample that he obviously had to give, he writes kin with a C.

17:09 So it is the first time that we see C A N E for Kin. Well, I'll tell you about why they do that, because that's just caused more confusion and you know, and yeah. Yeah, all of these multiple names, just like this Marvin Margolis that came out, But I understand why he changed his name if he was the last person dating black doh yeah, and the media wouldn't leave him alone. I'd tell you to use my name too, like yeah. Like, but when you're doing it multiple times, and there's so much different, different, different differentiality of like every single aspect of your handwriting and your name, then that's indicator. Yeah you know you lost write Oh really.

17:55 Yeah, if you look into it in the ancestry files and like the government and like public files on him and his name and different variations of it. He's he doesn't like to tell anyone who his middle name is for some odd reason, and his daughter can verify that for anyone. And it's very hard to find his name written in any document with an E, much less his whole entire middle name Edward. So. And he is also a junior, which no one knows that. But if you look back, I didn't know that, yeah, ye. But he doesn't want to. He doesn't tell people that. He doesn't tell people about his middle name, and and so then you have all these different variations of it everywhere, and just and him using it here on this document, not on this one, this one, And then you know, well.

18:47 If he's not using middle middle names and juniors, then it may be to kind of abscond with his dad's credit rating or information, if you get what I mean. So if he wasn't on the up and up, but dad was, I know that my marriage to my children's father, he was a junior. He was the second actually, And because three items matched up with his information and his dad's information, including the name, it meant that his dad's credit was reporting on his credit report, it showed he was married to. His mother, and that he had three oh yeah, children. So there I can see people using that as a way to boost themselves when they don't have anything, but it's not normal for people to be running around with a level.

19:31 And I think also he would want he did it because he wanted to hide his pass and like. Might have been family, which makes. Sense because then when I actually find the family background, it's like, oh, okay, well this is why he didn't want a mind to see because. All right, so let's move on. Let's move on from John because I have a lot to get through right now, and I want to focus because we've been trying to get through Kane and Margolas for a while. Now I know. To finish off on Kane. Basically, I had grabbed some things from the Internet and I want to say this was like zodiacsciphers dot com or something. It says the prelude to these events. Larry Kane, spelled with a K, suffered a brain injury to his left frontal lobe in nineteen sixty two after a serious car crash in San Mateo, California. Doctors diagnosed that he had developed an inability to control his urges for self gratification, and was subsequently arrested several times as a peeping tom in the preceding months to the first confirmed Zodiac attack. On Betty Lou Jensen and David Faraday on December twentieth of nineteen sixty eight in an isolated turnout alongside Lake Herman Road. Three years after his brain injury in nineteen sixty five, his prognosis in terms of rehabilitation was extremely poor and Lawrence Kane was left with facial paralysis on one side of his face. We did not see any facial paralysis in the composite, So again it's just another reason to check.

20:55 That box off. He would have had a rudimentary knowledge of coding after his brief time in the United States Nabel Reserves. What's that? No, okay, So along with the Modesta induction. No, I couldn't. Oh, I said, there's the Navy again. The Navy just keeps coming up to But. That's because in this case he was in the Navy. So but he would have had rudimentary Like they said, he wasn't part of I guess you know, Ham Radio or working the Ham radio, so he had some limited knowledge.

21:35 So and that was a brief time, it says in United States Naval Reserves in nineteen forty three. So along with the Modesto abduction of Kathleen John's and the dawna last disappearance of at South Lake Tahoe. Did Larry Kane have the means and opportunity to commit the five murders at four locations attributed to the Zodiac killer question mark? There are a lot more circumstantial elements suggested by people that have elevated Larry Kine into the list of widely touted Zodiac suspects, But in truth the list is built with many suspects that don't warnt much consideration. As the murderer of five in the Bay Area, Lawrence Kane is almost certainly not the Zodiac Killer. Then it goes on to say Harvey Hines went on to elaborate about his search for Donald ass in particular the Pines card mailed on March twenty second of nineteen seventy one. After studying the card, I drove to Nordon, located on Old Highway forty north of Light, Tahoe, and found the Sierra Club.

22:28 I learned the club was not called the Sierra Club. It was named the Claire tap and Lodge, and it was a private club for Sierra Club members only. I believed if I followed the directions on the postcard. I would find donal Las's grave. I believe she was buried near the Sierra Club and most likely on donner Ski Ranch. I would later have the pictures of the Sierra Club develop. Then, using a copy of the Zodiac's card, I cut out the phrase as he had pasted on his card. Using these phrases, I overpasted them on the copy of the Sierra Club picture. It was striking similar to the arial card. So now we have a point out right to more elite people because Sierra Club members only could attend this lodge.

23:08 That reminds me of like Bohemian grove in Coconut Crush in Florida. Yeah, so he's pointing his fingers at these people for a reason. Now this gets me to the response. So when Christina Kloh reached out to me and wanted to have Sandy Bets information, I asked Sandy Betts. I emailed her and asked if I could extend her email address to Christina and I got a response back from Sandy Bets. And you guys, this is where everything. Kind of took a full circle jerk on me this last week, because when I realized what I was sitting on, I was absolutely blown away, so it says from Sandy. She says, heinenat I'm okay, but I got another death threat from my suspect on December one, twenty twenty five.

23:52 That would make the man like ninety years old if he was the Zodiac. So I'm really like thinking that she's just being messed with. People like to mess with people. I don't know why they do this. But the law Lawrence Kane is still alive. No, no, I don't believe he is. I'm just saying. She's saying that she received another death threat on December first, though she didn't tell me what that death threat was. She says, I hope all is well with you. Tell the person who likes Kine for a Zee suspect that Larry Kane has been proven to not be the Zodiac. Detective Tom Bruton from SFPD went to meet Kin. He got his DNA, prince and handwriting. Nothing matched. It was VALAYOPD in nineteen ninety who told me the picture I have of my suspect looked like Kane. Darlene's family told me the picture I took, who was who followed it and killed Darlene? They thought he was Kane. I wasted ten years investigating Kane, believing he was my stalker. It wasn't Kane. It wasn't until Cain died and my suspect was still following me that I knew he wasn't Kane. However, they looked a lot alike. So this takes me back to her suspect. If he looked a lot like Caine, and we can visually see that Kane looks nothing like the composite, then yeah, then why would she think why would she even continue with the thought process that it's the Zodiac?

25:14 I don't really. I mean because that one PD officer standing he looked like him, I. Mean, no, he didn't. Folk, I think that's lies. I think that is intentional disinformation. I cannot see folks giving that type of a composite and then turning around and saying that woman's king was the most look alike to the person he saw in the presidio when. It looks nothing like the composite. It's just it's idiocy. I just think that that's new information they're putting up for those that want to research the case, so they'll be led down the wrong road. That's just what we're used to in those cases. Now it gets even better because then she goes on to say, a guy who has a website, his name is Alex Batter from Philadelphia, from Philly, PA.

26:00 He sent that letter. So she's referring to one of the communications that she believed she received from her suspect, which she thinks is the Zodiac. She'd sent this to Alex Baber. He sent that letter that was left for me from my suspect in nineteen eighty six to the nation's top expert, Kurt Baggett. I don't know where she gets this information. And maybe years ago somebody called him. I think it might have been something in regards to John Benet Ramsey, and they called him out from calling out a percentage, which he says he never gave a percentage of likelihood that Patsy Ramsey had written the letter. But so he's already. Being admonished in the news and the media for having given a percentage that he says he didn't give.

26:42 But she's calling him the nation's top expert. And then both Baggots she's saying, so she's saying Kurt Baggott and Bart Baggott confirmed that the letter from nineteen eighty six was written by the Zodiac exclamation mark. I cautioned her on this simply because Bart Baggett named Perez as the likely daughter of the Zodiac. So how can you have both? You can't have it both ways. You've got to pick one and be one. That's it. So Sacramento, DOJ told my detective that the true Zodiac has a lazy eye, and we see that in Jack's in pictures. So one eye slants more than the other. And she says Hansho has a lazy eye, but still he looks nothing like the composite. I asked Alex send me a copy of the document from Baggott. He is always too busy to send it to me. I need it because I want to go to the FBI. I'm tired of these idiot detectives who don't seem interested in the Zodiac case. Now introduction to Alex Baber. Now he has facilitated this connection. He's connected now to Bart Baggott and Kurt Baggott. He's now connected to the latest fake suspect that's put out, and that's going to be our bridge to Marvin Margolis. So she has now indicated that Alex Baber believed that this was written by the Zodiac as her suspect, and that the Baggots also back this up.

28:04 And we can already clearly show that Bart Baggott is on the side of Debora Perez, who was confirmed to not have any any likeness, affiliation belongings that happened in this particular Zodiac case. Step forward. Alex Baber is a fifty year old West Virginian with autism who claims to have solved the Zodiac and Black Dollar murders, identifying Marvin Margolis as the likely killer. He used AI programs and his code breaking skills to analyze the Zodiac killer's nineteen seventy cipher and cross reference it with historical records and witness accounts. So now we have him who has also declared that this letter was written by the Zodiac, now claiming that he has another suspect and he has broke the code. I thought that was extremely interesting because if his first choice was to go to the Baggots, then that means that there's some inclusion there, that's a relation.

28:58 Yep. It's an continuation of the conspiracy where bag Itt and Void and now bag It and Babber and all of. These people are putting forth fall suspects. So I thought I'd read a little bit of what. This Babber guy has talked about, and it says post is from two years ago posters trying to claim Marvin was an identity thief who forged marriage certificates to divert investigators. So this looks like it was posted. It says twelve days ago was posted, but two years before this. I think maybe Baber has come out trying to convince people on message boards that Marvin Margolis was actually the Zodiac.

29:40 It says personally still not convinced he is Z and the notion that Z. Thirteen was cracked as simply ludacrous. However, the above post was an interesting read and certainly a good suspect for black Doll. Yet and then somebody fresh Pepper eighty eight says, none of you really seemed to read the details. AI did not crack the cipher. The guy did it himself. He went through several different rounds, and then he came out with letters, and then he fed those letters into a database using a nineteen fifty census. That was the first time every single person in the United States was listed. It just came out a couple of years. Ago, and AI went through those billions of names to try to find ones that match those letters. AI is one hundred percent capable of doing that.

30:21 Initially, it spit out eleven million returns on possible names. He tweaked something something you should be able to tell us more than something, and got it down to eight hundred thousand, kept tweaking it down until he got thirty five. Then manually he went through those names himself. Several expert cryptologists are saying his method is solid, So for you amateurs to poo poo, it really shows a lack of flexibility. Perhaps it will turn out wrong, but considering the fact that so many top cryptologists are saying it's solid, maybe you should adopt and wait and see approach. To keep saying AI figured out the ciphers wrong. All AI did was take the letters that this guy came up with and rifle through names looking for a series of letters that would fit exactly. And if it's a nineteen fifty census, then I would have to believe. I would have to first substantiate that Marvin Margolis had already changed his name to Margolis, because if it was his previous name, which we'll get to it in here somewhere, it isn't thirteen letters, It's only twelve, as somebody has put out. So what name was Marvin Margolis listed under a nineteen fifty census? If it was Margolis and not Merrill, that would be fourteen characters and not thirteen, So he.

31:31 Couldn't shouldn't even come up in the search. So for a yeah, so it is fourteen letters or yeah, fourteen letters for Marvin Margolis. And if he was said to have changed his name after the death of Black Dahlias, so sometime between nineteen forty seven and this nineteen fifty census. He changed his name, he would be at fourteen. Letters, not at thirteen anymore, which it was a Z thirteen. So they go on about some more of the code ciphers, and they talk a little bit here about Alex Baber. And what he did. It says, let me see in detail twenty two about the February second crime. HQ hosted a special event with Alex Baber and Jalen Baber the Cold Case Consultants of America led by Kelly McLear. I think I probably should look up who that place is. But this is my point in media giving people like this attention over nonsense when the real suspects or the real evidence that needs to be investigated is being presented on a constant basis through this presentation, and they haven't given Jack near the time that they decide to give these other individuals that turn out being fake. But they get big, big news, and then when it's attracted and it said that it was false, it's two seconds somewhere and maybe it's just even a little blurb on the Internet, they don't ever go back and give us the same amount of media attention to discrediting the nonsense that these people are putting us through.

33:01 So he says that. Although Alex had not known anything about the case before that, oh I got to see when this says, finally got involved in March of two thousand and seven. What drew him in was David Fincher's Zodiac movie. Although Alex had not seen The Zodiac or had not known anything about the case before then, so he's claiming he didn't know anything in two thousand and seven. Now I want to know when Sandy Betts gave him that letter and when he forwarded it. To the baggots. I know that I met Sandy Bets in probably two thousand and nine, so there could be an area there of two years. But for him to claim that, I want to say, she probably submitted it to him much sooner than that before he claims to know anything about it.

33:44 It says that evening a Friday, he decided to take a cracket solving one of the infamous ciphers associated with the case. Alex claims that he solved it that evening, after four thy five and twenty seven attempts. His solution gave him a name. I want to know how he knows exactly how many attempts he. Made that for each time on a piece of paper and direct. They say his solution gave him a name. His solution didn't give him a name. His solution gave him more work to figure out a name. Then, it says next he went online to a forum devoted to the Zodiac Killer and posted the name he came up with. So they skip out on this entire AI tweaking of the system, breaking down the names and then eventually coming up with something.

34:34 So he went on to the forum devoted to the Zodiac killer and posted the name he came up with. On Sunday, he received a phone call asking do you want to play a game. After Alex replied no, the speaker said, I want to compliment you on cracking my cipher. So now we've got the zodiac calling him up. Oh my god, I'm sorry before now, Oh my god. Yeah, a little shock that freaked out. At this point, he shows because especially because he didn't know how the caller got his number. Alex said that he. Didn't want any trouble and volunteered to remove the post from the forum that mentioned the man's name. The caller then went to prove that he knew Alex's full name, place of work, address, and fiance's full name. At that point, Alex said again he'd take the post.

35:26 Down and hung up on the caller. Oh now that now we're playing on ethos, right, We're playing on people's emotions because it must be the real guy. So you're saying, Marvin Markolis reached out and contacted you because you mentioned his name. So somebody's response to that was no, it is rubbish. I'm very familiar with the cryptography and have studied this at a high level. It's pseudoscientific nonsense, and there's no way to extrapolate any useful information from Z thirteen. Another person or the same person says, could you share where he describes his method? I would be happy to do a more detailed post explaining it's rubbish, as I'm not expecting you to just take my word for it, happy to go into detail if his method is published. If it is not published, well then there you go. So what if you already have the key as in the zodiac having it, well, Alex Baber is not the zodiac, so how would you have it?

36:18 Either way? They go on to talk about different variations of it. So Marvin Merrill was his name when he was dating Black Dahia, and then it says he it was the alias Marvin Margolis adopt. Oh, so Margolis was the name that he was, that he had when he was dating Black Dahia. So Marvin Merrill is what he changed it to after her death, But it doesn't say when. It says it was the name he lived under until his death by cancer in Santa Barbara in July nineteen ninety three, aged sixty eight. Though this gravestone at Riverside National Cemetery bears the Margolis name.

36:58 It was the alias. Okay, so he died and was listed as Martin Marbulist. So maybe he never legally changed his name. I mean, which people do they do? Yeah, well you're trying to hide, but usually you go the legal route, right, so that you can get an identification cord. You can do all of these other things, not simply just be called Meryll that you live as Meryll either way. Yeah, so well it's easy to do. Actually you just tell you like you just get a new utility bill and say, oh, well this is myne you know, say you did. Especially nowadays, it's easier because you can digitally sign up for things and put your fake name in.

37:39 You know, right right, and they don't question it. You know. Well, there's got to be more to tie in to be able to continue to use that if you go to work for somebody. I oh yeah, yah, yeah, yeah, I feel like this guy was Maybe he wasn't the real estate agent. Maybe that was Kane. That was probably Kane. But any way, I. Mean back then, it is easier, easier as far as like other things, like more variety of things too. Yeah, I would still think that there would have to be some type of legal name change in order to continue to live in existence under a name. Otherwise people would find you.

38:19 You know, let's just say I want to be called Merrill, but my last name is really Margolis. Your information in the system is going to be Margolis, and people can find you. So just because you want to call yourself Meryl, if you're not actively changing that, it's not changed on your credit report. You're not able to use that name in order to get a place to rent, or to buy a house, or to do all of these things that a normal person would do. Yeah. Yeah, So again, it would be interesting if he had done a legal name change as to when that happened and what so that's easier to find. Came up with, Well, if that's easy for you to find missing, then you find it. I'm just trying to say, hey.

39:03 I dates. I mean, I just need the dates of the variations of where you're in between at and that, and then just go through the pages. Oh I never paid attention to baber So I got this email from Sandy Betts back in December before he had published the article on December twenty third or twenty fifth, or whenever it was that he claimed Marvin Margolis, and the media. Picked it up and ran with it. So I was sitting on this and when I reread it, and I said, Babber, Why do I know Baber? Like again, I'm not going to commit too many people, especially fake people, to my memory, but I know I saw that somewhere Where's Baber? And holy crap, if it wasn't the next big suspect I was going to talk about, I'm like, there's your circle jerk people, and we can see here to the right, this is the La Times and Inside Edition that are producing miniature videos and comments and responses to Black Dallion. Zodiac's case is solved. Like, oh my gosh, absolutely insane, but I'm glad you all hopped on board.

40:08 Now we know what the media is up to. So looking at this La Times, he. Was Marvin Skipton Mark Goulis born March twenty fifth of nineteen twenty five, so his age range is within range. He's five foot nine inches and one hundred. And fifty pounds. Again, very small to be what we know as the Zodiac. No pop belly, probably no lumber, the glasses that were actually put on here every picture and we'll see every picture that I found of this man, he does not wear glasses, so these glasses were inserted to make him appear more like the actual composite he died nineteen eight money. They do it to almost every single one of them too. Right, Yeah, And then every picture that I find, even driver's licenses, they're not wearing glasses. Purportedly dated Elizabeth Short at twenty two years of age in nineteen forty six in Chicago, Illinois. That would have made when Elizabeth Short was twenty two, that would have made him twenty one.

41:05 Now I tend to feel like she was probably dating above him. I mean, as far. As she's pretending she's a journalist, she wants to be an actress. Are you really going to just date some random twenty one year old from the Navy. Probably not. Yeah, I get Here's more La Times. So LA Times very big, and we know LA Times is involved with many things, including one of their investigative reporters was Tom Boyd's father. So whenever I see LA Times jump on this stuff and just start spreading, spreading and spreading, And then we also see from Reddit, but Reddit is just repeating what La Times said. Somebody had indicated. I've read everything. Released so far about Marvin Margullis, and I have to say that this is one of the best suspects I've ever seen.

41:50 Upon first looking at them had shown. I thought, Wow, that's him. But most of the outlets are stating that this image was enhanced. I'm hoping this just means some brightness adjustments. However, the glasses appear to be added on, and it makes me doubt if the image has been altered in a significant way beyond that, and if they are willing to alter this image in a major way, that dishonesty hurts the validity of their claims. I'm certainly open to Margolis being the Zodiac and even the Black Dollia killer too. Nevertheless, I am eagerly awaiting further evidence beyond what has been made public so far. I think there will need to be a smoking gun here, really close the case, and that just may not exist after so much time has passed. Very well said people, but he's not it. Now. Here's some pictures of Marvin Margolis, Marvin Meryl and up here he's calling himself Skip Meryll. Right, this is definitely after Zodiac or after Black Dahlia passed.

42:45 He looks much older. This timeframe right here in the military uniform would probably be closer to the age and timeframe that he had met and dated Black Dahlia. So now he's going by skip Merrill. Well, nobody mentioned that, so obviously he's still using Meryl. That means. That he didn't change it immediately after she died, because he's definitely much older here. He is missing a lot of hair. But they see if I can see. But say, in these photos, you can definitely tell that he's very petite. Man, very petite, Yeah, very very small, is a man of many talents. That says. What he might mean to Wellington is this and an entire new enthusiasm for creativity.

43:31 In the arts. He hopes to form a Wellington art something I don't know. I can't read it, it's so small. Anyways. Margolis, now another person workat Yuzuo, says Margolis didn't wear glasses. If you look at the picture of Margolis, you can see that those glasses were drawn on and not very well because the top they stopped short of going over his age laugh out loud, Yeah, and how is Alex? How is Alex able to receive a phone call? In two thousand and seven from Margolis when he died in nineteen ninety three. Alex phoned me in two thousand and seven telling me it was Larry Kine, who was our suspect Zodiac at that time. When someone makes up even one lie, how do you trust anything else? He has to say the Zodiac is not dead.

44:17 He is very much alive. Oh my god. So so now we've got two or at least now we've got two other versions of Alex Baber saying somebody is the Zodiac and that was completely untrue. So we can't trust a word that this man says. I'm sorry that they put everybody through this. It always gets everyone hype around me. I get a million phone calls and texts. They solved it again again again. Who did you know that there's another recent guy that came out and said his dad was the Zodiac. No, which one was that? God Niche Mitch. I can't think of his last name.

45:03 I'll have to I'll stop have to send it to you, But it was it was one of the witnesses that was at Fort Wachuka. I'm sure you've seen the Fort Watchuka stuff that Candice Owens has exposed as a military base well, she was a he was a witness there during a during particular time period where she when she's investigating Charlie Kirk's case, and he came out randomly apparently and said that he thought that his dad was the Zodiac. And I haven't even went down that hole. I just kind of ignored that and just put it in the back of my head because I was like, no. Well, if you do get any information on it, you know we.

45:44 Are literally I feel like this entire podcast has revolved around outing all the fake suspects and the individuals of that are putting them forth so that we know not. To trust these sites. Now here's pictures of Margolis with the Zodiac compot, and of course we can see the differences, and one of the ones that I wanted to actually point out is his ears goes straight up, not flared out, and when we look at Jack's we see Jack's flared out right. His chin is very pointy versus this very blunt and wide chin with the dimple. I don't even see a dimple in Margolis's. However, we can see the very wide chin of Jack, and we can see the dimple that he has in his chin. So many of these things were taken down properly by officer Folk, and he was capable of maintaining an image in his mind of what he saw, and he pretty much nailed every aspect as it compares to Jack. I also brought back the commission Zodiac composite by Sonoma County Sheriff's Don Stripkey, done in nineteen seventy five.

46:54 I don't know how much guff I. Got from Tom Boyd's crew and trolls, should I say, not group, but from his trolls about how this particular composite was not drawn by Sonoma County, that it was drawn by somebody else from another investigative reporter, I believe, from a newspaper. Out out east. But somebody's producing in a book that it was actually done by Sonoma County Sheriff's Department. So hmm. I wonder why everybody's confused and quoting the wrong stuff, because there's so much disinformation out there now. I did take a look at some of Marvin's handwriting. It was very, very small what I had to look at. One of the things I did note was this capital letter L that he uses in his handwriting, which is improper.

47:41 Obviously, in the middle of lowercase writing. But I did not note any capital letter l's in the middle of lowercase writing and the zodiac letters, So right there, that is a significant, significant, unexplainable difference. We would have seen him accidentally drop it somewhere along the lines if in fact he was the author, due to the amount, in the enormity of the amount of writing that was done in these cases. One thing I saw that obviously everybody was very very in tune too, was the capital letter M made in two strokes. Now, you guys, you can make an M in two strokes, three strokes, one stroke. These are not unusual or highly significant values. But what we want to see then is the differences between the way it leans, the length of the legs, because we kept seeing these very long legs with this very shallow If I was to put a crossbar about here, it's just above half that the midpoint of this M comes down, which is consistent both with the capital ms in Marvin and in Margolis. And we can see that that variation, the way that it leans, the direction that the actual points point, all of these are differences. So while the construction is similar, everything else is different. Yeah, and I also wanted to bring forth his letter G.

48:59 So I went back, just like I did with Lawrence Kane, and picked out some of the letters that I did not see occur in the communications. And when we look at this letter G up here in the right hand corner from Marvin Margolis, you'd be hard pressed to find that type of G in any of these actual writings. In fact, when the perpetrator or the suspect attempts to write their letter g's in what I would say, that type of fashion, you can see how awkward and unusual it looks. It's nothing like what we see going on here, and even the shape of the goal is completely different. So I still look back at these and I look at Jackson say that you know these this is jackx g's. It's not Marvin Margolis's g's for sure. Also with the letter else, the jacks look like nines right exactly.

49:47 I've got just a couple seconds here I should actually be closing out, but here on the letter L, just to be able to finish up this presentation. You can look through here yourself all you want, and you'll be hard pressed to find any l's that actually look this potent killer shape as you go through, you do find though that they are all consistent with Jack's letter. Ls I did put the m's together so that you could see the ms again, major differences. And then this writing was actually found in a box and it said Elizabeth Marty Merrill nineteen ninety two. But this doesn't look anything like Elizabeth Short and supposedly it's covering up what they claim to be damage to the breast, which supports that he was the one that killed her. Well, he could have just mimicked an image that he saw her. So we'll leave off here. Yeah, we'll leave off here. It looks like we've got diagrams and other things to visit for Marvin Mark Goullis. That excludes him. So I want to thank you Lindsay for being here. Awesome speak on Martin Luther.

50:43 King and. Exculpting these particular fake suspects. We'll be looking more at this next week as we finish off with Marvin Mark Goulis. I hope everybody has a wonderful weekend and we'll see you next Friday. YEP Magaza Magazine, Thing Magazine, sho