Dec. 26, 2025

John Mark Karr Summary and Suspect Elimination

John Mark Karr Summary and Suspect Elimination
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John Mark Karr is emailing with Michael Tracey, and this shows a sign of hiding his identity and location just like the Zodiac Killer. Following the analysis I have completed on these emails, a second analysis by a different reader of the emails will be given. Also, we will be taking a second look at Lawrence Klein aka Kaye or as the internet knows him, Kane, and Edward Edwards with new info that rules them out. How do they keep coming up in Hollyweird or given any attention to??? ALA Repeats!

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Good Morning, True Seekers and True crime Junkies, Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Road Jack Finding the Zodiac.

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Like to welcome to the show today, Nolan del Campo.

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Good be reading everybody.

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Good morning. So I had something I was going to

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start out with that I thought was fairly interesting and

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it kind of takes me back to some of the

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cases that I've had up against government examiners. And the

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reason why I mentioned this is because we've had the

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handwriting of Jack Terrence looked at by the FBI, and

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in doing so, it took I want to say, I

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felt like it was about ten months or so. I

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know Dennis and I kept asking what's the results, what's

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the results. They kept giving us excuses like there was

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some terrorists, you know, handwritings that they were having to

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work with, and that they really didn't have enough examiners,

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and then they found an examiner to do it. But

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then the agent, Chris Hopkins, had indicated that the agent

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that was looking at the handwriting had gone above and

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beyond and done thing or done things that he says

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he wasn't authorized to do, and made it sound like

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he's a newbie, he didn't know what he was doing.

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He got it overly excited about something, and they squashed

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it and took it away from him. And that didn't

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make any sense to me.

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No, just an opinion, right, right, Yeah, you know, it's

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not factor, it's false, it's not right or wrong.

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I feel like, if this is real and they did

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legitimately give it to this guy who was the underling

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of the document examiner in Quantico, because that's where they

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said they sent the handwriting back to, is that I

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felt like the way he stated it to me is

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that this guy probably found out or identified exactly what

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I did, which was Jack was the author of these writings.

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His findings did not coincide with what they wanted him.

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To fire exactly. And so Chris Hopkins had indicated that

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because he had gone above and beyond well, what's that mean?

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What's above and beyond me? He was thorough exactly, and

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he came to some conclusion that I obviously was never

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going to see that, uh an opinion of so literally

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they he said. Then they turned it back over to

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the head person and I think that was a female

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document examiner. And so we waited another, you know, a

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couple months, and then finally on one of our visits

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into the FBI office, we were presented with an opinion

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letter from them, and it literally was like one page

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and then one paragraph on the second page, and in

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it it said Jack may have written the zodiac letters.

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Jack may not have written the zodiac letters. I was like,

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what the hell does that mean?

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What I mean, if he may have that, it employs

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he may not have. You don't have to say he

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may not have. You always say he may have inconclusively.

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That's what that okay? And that and that's what's bringing

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me to the point of what we're going to talk

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about right now, is this inconclusive decision making that occurs

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on the document examiners that are retired from government or

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law enforcement. I want to play I'm going to have

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this clip played real quick and then I will come

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back and explain afterwards. So let's see to be or

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not to be? Oh, I can't laugh my rib my

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rib anyways, let's go ahead and play that video really

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quick and we'll get that out of the way, and

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then I'll continue on with what I have to say.

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And I asked them to identify to me what is

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an approved laboratory.

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They didn't.

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What percentage of cases.

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Are you able to make a positive identifications of handwriting?

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Now you'll find in many cases a lot of times,

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but do with the government, they have a very large

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number of inconclusives. In fact, it's interesting to watch when

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someone who.

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Years goes into private practice. They start giving inconclusives. So

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they find out very quickly that is not acceptable, so they.

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Start giving opinions.

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A love percentage of cases, have you been okay?

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So that is one of the mentors that I have

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in handwriting. She is in her eighties, she's been doing

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handwriting for decades, forty some years. I'm probably putting on

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that maybe even longer. But to hear those words in

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one of the classes that I was taking with her,

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just about kind of It's like a validation type factor,

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where it's something that you know, going through these core

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processes up against these different document examiners, you know that well,

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my thought is always they're either a higher gun or

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they're just not well trained to come back with the

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opinions that they've come back with. But to hear her

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say that they come back with these inconclusives as a

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way to stay in the case and make money rather

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than to actively be able to identify or eliminate somebody

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from handwriting is an injustice to the business. And when

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they show up in the courtroom, they have thirty year

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cvs working for law enforcement or the Department of Justice

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or the government, and the court somehow holds them to

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some higher regard than they do private practice. It's taken

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a long time for me to be able to overcome

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some of these individuals' opinions. But that means that I

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have to work extra hard to explain to the court

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and to show the court how handwriting works. And so

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that takes us back to this inconclusive that they did

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on Jack's handwriting. I knew it the entire time. A

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good document examiner is going to be able to make

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an identification or should be able to or exclusion of

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an individual, or at.

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Least cite similarities and differences and give facts that back

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up what they're oppaining.

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Correct. I want to say, in one of the last

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cases that I went up against a government document examiner,

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the court did not find for me because they said

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that I didn't I didn't talk about similarities. I only

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talked about dissimilarities. Well, was a forgery. There was no similarity.

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Just I get lost sometimes in thinking of these judges

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that want to take it upon themselves to say, oh,

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that looks similar. No, in your layperson's mind, you think

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that looks similar. But I'm going to show you how

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it's different because it is a forgery. If it was similar,

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we'd be talking about an identification instead. At any rate,

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taking us back to Jack's handwriting and the inconclusive, I

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just want people to understand that, regardless of what the

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FBI came back with and a, I don't even believe

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that that opinion letter was written by a document examiner. Again,

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it did not satisfy the criteria for writing or extending

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an opinion in a case, especially as short as it was.

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I mean a minimum of three My opinion letter is

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a minimum of three pages. We have to describe the

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documents that we used, both question which would have been

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the zodiacs and Jack's, which I had more, yeah, more

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than one hundred and sixty five examples of Jack's handwriting,

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both cursive, printed, lowercase, uppercase. I had everything. I had diagrams,

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I had drawings, I had, you know, schematics for his engineering.

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I had so many pieces of evidence they didn't even identify,

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but two pieces of his handwriting in that particular letter.

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I would have listed all of them.

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Just a summary by one of the agents working on it.

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Probably wasn't even.

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From the handwriting that was That's what I felt. And

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you know, of course we can only you know, theorize

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that it was kind of just to Playkate, Dennis and

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I rather than a legitimate examination that had been done.

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And we're going to be talking about handwriting today, hopefully

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if we get to it on the Lawrence k. Cline,

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who they call on the internet Lawrence Kine, And again

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I still can't figure out where they adopted this name

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Kine other than they found the word kine. They believed

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in the three p forty cipher and want to now

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formfit that to Lawrence K and it's KAYE. So now

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they've changed it to he's King ka n E. But

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all his documentation that we're going to look at is

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showing that he is K, not KINGBI and well different

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sources on the internet, so like right, and I'll show

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you how that all comes about. But so I wanted

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to just kind of cover that let everybody know that

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it is a running theme in the private industry, in

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the private sector that government document examiners that are I'm sorry,

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government trained, they're in forensics, trained in all kinds of forensics.

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The likelihood that they have taken any cases for elderly

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people because they're probably the least likely person to commit

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a crime, right, these people are handling criminal issues. You

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don't really have eighty five year olds with dementia out

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there committing crimes, so they never get to see this

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type of handwriting. So I just think sometimes that they

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haven't seen enough, but they rely on their thirty year

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CV to get themselves by and hopefully that the judges

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believe them on that. So we are back at I

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just got a couple more slides left on John Mark Carr,

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which is really just the breakdown of the emails between

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Michael Tracy and John Mark Carr. Once again, we have

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an individual reaching out, like I said, to an editor

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or a journalist. We still have this media web of

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people working with the media, and this was just something

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that the Zodiac did so to know john Mark Carr

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was also facilitating emails back and forth making claims that

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you had committed crimes or that he had done other things.

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Really takes me back with that real quick.

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I missed last week, so I had a couple quick questions.

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So we're allegedly confessed. Who did he confess to.

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The Thailand police?

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Okay, but did he do any confession once he got

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back to the States.

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Well, they they extradited him from Thailand back to Los Angeles. There.

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I don't know why they extradited him back there, right right?

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Why not Boulder, Colorado where he committed Yeah, admitted to

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committing this crime. So he goes to la first, then

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he's extradited back to Boulder, Colorado. They find that he

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doesn't match DNA, he doesn't match handwriting, he doesn't match

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anything associated with the case. But he had enough inside

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knowledge that wasn't known to the public that caused them

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to fly all the way over to Europe, grab him

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and bring him freaking back. So it tells me he

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knew more. And now these days, when you're looking at

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stuff on the internet about him, it says, oh, he

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didn't know anything more than what was out there in

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the public. We give people free rides back from Europe

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who aren't giving us any inside information that only the

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killer would know. That's just not the way things work.

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And now is that our theory also that if there

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were outside people, which we think it is, then there's

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more than one person.

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Involved, right right, And so he was excluded as the

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possible killer. So all of this was all made up obviously.

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But if you followed along, I think we talked about

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on one of the shows you were on, is that

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he left out from Sonoma under charges and hopped countries,

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starting in Malaysia, then ending up in Thailand, and then

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ultimately whether he walked himself into the Thailand police and

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claimed that he had killed John Bene Ramsay with enough

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information that made our law enforcement take him seriously and

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go out there and get him, or he was legitimately

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tracked down by Michael Tracy through these emails and found

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at the school that he was currently working at, and

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they arrested him there. I still can't tell the truth

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because again everything on the internet. I sometimes I like

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to say, oh, the media this, but I have to

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remember I don't believe the media.

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He's a fugitive. How can you travel all these places?

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I mean, he's still trial for.

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Exactly. So once he gets once he gets excluded as

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the possible suspect in John Beny and Ramsey, he's then

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extradited back to California, to Sonoma County to face the

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charges for the pedophilia that he ran away from. And

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it turned out that the judge admonished the DA for

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having lost the computer, lost the computer that had the

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child porn on it. We're only talking, we're only talking

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like four years, five years. This man's been gone and

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you've already lost the evidence in which you were going

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to per prosecute him over. So he is ultimately acquitted

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on those charges and set free. Wow, that to me

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sounds like what he did by leaving the country, pretending

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and playing Zodiac, pretending and playing he's or John Mane

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Ramsay's killer. That was all a setup and and he

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was going to be given the right to get off

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of all of these charges once he got back after

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Jack had died. That's kind of the way I felt,

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because it was within days of Jack dying that he

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turns himself in and flies back. Yeah, he was a

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bigger game, I think so. And we're going to look

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at some of these letters too. So the last thing

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that I had on here is some Jack Terrance similarities

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from the emails. It has the concern for what family

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and children will think of him. On page eighty six

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of the email, that is a direct statement that Jack

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told Dennis Kaufman to hold off on writing the book.

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He didn't care what everybody else thought. He just cared

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about what the people he knew thought about him. So

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he wanted to wait until he passed away before Dennis

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would write his book. On page three point thirty one,

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it says Stick made a statement knows someone who was

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crazy about a women. We know that Jack had an

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affinity for Asian women, and he was very upset with

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the military removing and taking him back out of Japan

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after he had met somebody that he had fallen in

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love with a Japanese woman. On page three thirty four,

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it said, my father would kill anyone who screwed him

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in business. Now remember that this is supposed to be

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words coming out of John Mark Carr, but we know

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that Jack Terrence's father actually took Jack with him. I

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think Jack was supposedly five or be somewhere between five

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and eight years old, and he took him to a

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man's house that had failed to pay back or give

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back bottles which they were using during prohibition. Those were

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like gold back in that day, owed him money and

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then didn't return the bottles for the liquor. And Jack's

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dad shot the man in his face, right in front

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of Jack. So Jack had watched his father killed somebody.

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So by his own yeah, he got it, honest right,

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you don't like somebody, you're out at somebody, you just

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kill them, doesn't matter. Let's see reference to oh so

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in these emails we kept seeing reference to males. They

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kept like regular mail, like mailing a letter. He kept

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referring to males, which is kind of an old age

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term for an email. If you started using email, you

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knew that what it was called was an email. But

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here he is using emails, but he keeps calling him mails.

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It just seems like something like Jack and the you know,

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being older in the techno world, would continue saying, you know,

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males versus emails, the timing of the communications and their similarities.

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There was four years of communications previous to May two

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thousand and six. I believe that would put us back

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to two thousand and two. We have a letter to

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Tom Voight in two thousand and two and then in

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two thousand and three again, and these seem to also

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follow the path and pattern of John Mark Carr because

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when he initially left he ended up in Malaysia based

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on his own statements in these emails. We have the

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first letter to Tom Vod out of Malaysia, and then

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he moves on to Thailand, and we have the next

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letter to Tom Void out of Thailand. So I'm not

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sure if we're going to call that coincidental. And there

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was a white substance in it too, so it was

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almost meant to imitate the anthrax. Melinges interesting. Yeah, So

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he references constantly a sure which is cut and pasted

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into Tim's letter. So the letter, the finale letter to

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Tim Miller has the word assure in it, so we

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keep seeing this word that is used. On page three sixteen,

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he uses the twenty point thirty for a time reference

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as if in military time. John Mark Carr, to my knowledge,

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was not military, and we know definitely Jack was, and

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we know that the zodiac references it. There was references

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in the snow that we're occurring in the emails as well.

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That to me took me back to the Oakland County

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child killer. So the research items that I had up

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here was the knickers. Is that a European reference?

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Do you know? I think it comes from Great Britain,

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the East Coast, the Knickerbockers.

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That's the names original name, gotcha. Yeah, I had that

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down there because I didn't know where that derived from celt.

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Like dokings or socks or something like that.

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Really I thought knickers were like the maybe I don't know. Yeah,

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So that was And then there was a couple of people.

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I'm not sure if you're even familiar with any of

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these names. I did kind of figure out a couple

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of them. But somebody named Mick sand Rock. Michael Helgoff

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called him the Bootman, Gary Olivia, let's see paces Ferry

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in your neighborhood. Charles Dodgson he called a hero. And

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then Norman Mayler. I did not know who Norman Mayler was.

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So he's a author, Oh okay, then that that was.

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Really famous in a pretty liberal progressive but he did

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like the Executioner's Song was one of his famous books

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and many others.

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Okay, So the Executioner I think was one of the

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themed things that played out in one of the Zodiac communications,

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right there were there were a couple peppermint and pomp it.

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I thought there was something that maybe that's why I

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pulled that up, is the reference to the Executioner. I

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did not know that Norman who was responsible.

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He was a guy in the Midwest I think, or yeah,

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more West than middle that got convicted of murder and

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was the first person in a long time in that

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particular state that they put to death. Hence the book.

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Norman wrote about Norman wrote about it, or Norman was the.

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One book, the definitive book.

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Yeah, oh all right, So that gros.

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A long line of famous books that he's written. He's

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a famous writer.

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Well, then that puts it back into the Zodiac roome

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for two reasons. One, we're having reference to books, which

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references to books, movies and media. Was something that the

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zodiacted consistently and constantly, and then the executioner, which I

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believe that there is a reference. One of the communications

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that the Zodiac sent had been identified as being something

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from something that was related to the executioners.

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So Mayler also too, was a friend of Dorothy Kilgallon's,

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the journalists from back East that got murdered.

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Oh, and that was she was. She was related to

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the JFK stuff.

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Yeah, she was doing and interviewed Jack Ruby while it

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was on trial. Okay, she was going to do a

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book on the JFK assassination. And we were suspicious after

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she died because they deemed her death accidental overdose. But

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most people think, most smart people think she was murdered.

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Well, and when we have the accidental overdose with Marilyn

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Monroe Elvis Presley which he was friends with Marilyn Monroe,

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we've seen it happen a couple times, and it just

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makes me wonder when they don't like you anymore, what

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they're willing to go through to get you out of

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their way.

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Yeah.

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Well, here is those communications that I was talking about

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from Tom Void and the reason I bring these in

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and there are a lot of consistencies with some of

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the writing with Jack. There is obviously some differences, but

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we know that the Zodiac had many different writing styles

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in his arsenal. Jack also had many different writing styles.

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The way I stumbled upon these was unbeknownst to Dennis,

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who really was on his outs with Tom Voyd at

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the time. And I found these letters on Tom Voyd's

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site by going through the wayback machine and pulling them off,

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because he had already shut down his AOL site at

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that point and tried to dump everything that was there.

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And when I was holding these letters, I waited until Charles,

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which is the youngest son of Jack, to leave the room.

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He was back there in my office with Dennis and I,

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and he wanted a soda, so I sent him out

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to get a soda. And I took that opportunity to

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show these letters to Dennis because I believed that there

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was a possibility and I wanted to examine them that

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these could have also come from the Zodiac, which I

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believed was Jack, and so when and I was not

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trying at this point in time. Everybody has to understand

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Charles wasn't really on the bandwagon with Dennis, and it

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really hurt him to hear that, you know, some of

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these things that Dennis was accusing his dad of doing.

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And so we would talk about different different crimes, freeze

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and different things, but out of the presence of Charles.

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And that's why I waited for him to walk out

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of the room. And when he came back into the room,

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I was holding the paper discussing it, one of the

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letters to tom Boy, discussing that with Dennis, and he

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looked over my shoulder and his response was, where did

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you get my dad's handwriting? I ab out hit the floor,

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so he yeah, yeah, he recognized that.

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Interesting.

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Yeah, and I know that the da here in Sacramento

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County will use family members because who's better of an expert,

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whether or not, at your handwriting than your own family

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members who you live with and around all the time.

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So they don't even pay half the time for a

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document examiner. They'll just call one of your family members

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to the stand. Do you recognize this handwriting? Yeah, that's

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my brother's busted right. So to me, that was very

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very telling that he looked at this handwriting and automatically

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suspected that it was his dad's. Now we can see

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up here in the top left hand corner. This is

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the first, the first two thousand and two letter that

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came in and the taxi cab stamp. I saw that

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as a dead giveaway for the Paul Stein. That was

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a direct link back. Yea, just like the historic trolley

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stamp with the businessman in the attache on one side

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and the navyman hanging out the other side of the trolley.

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That historic stamp was used in one of the mailings

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for dB Cooper. It's like they just and the stamps

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are obviously very important to the Zodiac. We've seen that throughout. Well, yeah,

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that's one way of doing it. And how many people

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are like literally going to try and pawn off a

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crime on the Zodiac, you know, at any given point

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in time, it seems to make more sense that the

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Zodiac is trying to connect himself to these things versus

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somebody going, oh, I'm gonna pawn this off on the Zodiac.

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That just seems so ridiculous. So this one actually came

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out of Singapore, which is Malaysia. So here we have

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where he ended up, where John Maricarr ended up first.

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And of course the two thousand and two letter also

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included fingerprints, but we can see that they're partials and

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they're actually the joints. They did not give the actual

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tips of the finger at the of the fingers at all,

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and that's telling I'm going to give you partials, but

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not not everything you need to make an identification. It

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also included DNA, based on the letter itself stating and

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the DNA was in there, and a white chemical substance

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that I believed was to mimic them Anthrax mailings, which

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tied it back to the Anthrax mailings. Now I understand

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again that while somebody may not try to attach themselves

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to other crimes, because heaven forbid, you actually got caught

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and you just, you know, identified with having committed crimes

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you didn't commit. If they catch you, you're gonna go

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down for all of it. So I just don't see

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somebody doing that. And at the same time, in this

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letter stating that they sent fingerprints DNA and to how

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tom boit say, oh, this didn't come from the Zodiac, Well,

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who the heck would send you fingerprints in DNA if

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they knew that all you had to do was test

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it to determine they were just liars, right, I tend

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to believe that they haven't given us the truth about

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this DNA or these fingerprints, because nobody. Again, why would

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I waste my time sending you something to test if

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it was only going to come back to xcolp you

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And now you just look like a fool and somebody

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who's trying to, you know, claim fame for something you

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didn't do. It seriously doesn't make any sense. And the

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other part of these letters are not only describing what

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the Zodiac was going through at the time heavy drug use,

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these states of hypnosis, basically that he was working with

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underground you know type media people. He called it a

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perverted system. Some of these words that we're going to

464
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:29.359
get to. When I read these letters to you'll think like,

465
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:31.839
oh my goodness. And these are the letters where he says,

466
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:34.279
who's going to play me in the movies? You want

467
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.400
my story because it's going to be the best there is.

468
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:40.039
You're going to tell the truth if you adopt what

469
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:43.680
I have to say kind of thing. Second letter, actually

470
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.920
you can see in the postage stamp here it was

471
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.160
mailed out of Thailand, which is exactly where John Mark

472
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:53.039
Carr ended up. So I think that these were shipped

473
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:55.680
to John Mark Carr, and John Mark Carr then turned

474
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:59.599
around and mailed them legitimately out of these two particular areas,

475
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.119
tempting to make it look like the Zodiac was no

476
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:05.240
longer in the United States. And if you think about it,

477
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:07.480
this is two thousand and one. Why are they trying

478
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:09.680
to make it look like he's out of the United

479
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:13.039
States in two thousand and one Unless all of the

480
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:16.519
little like buzzes that you were hearing about the anthrax

481
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.440
mailings that the Zodiac wrote them they were trying to

482
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:22.599
buy for Kate. Zodiac wasn't even in the United States

483
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.480
when those letters were mailed. But I remember back in

484
00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:27.599
two thousand and one, after the planes hit and then

485
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.400
the anthrax mailings were done, I would hear people in

486
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.799
the streets saying the Zodiac wrote that. I'm like, you

487
00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:35.920
guys are ridiculous. You know, yeah, that man's that's like

488
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.279
forty years old and he was a serial killer. Like,

489
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:41.079
why would he be out here mailing out anthrax right now?

490
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.559
Because it's all part of an interconnected group of workings

491
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:49.519
under politics, under government, under mob under media, it's all

492
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:57.200
one big ball together. Right, So here is here is

493
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:00.319
a take an analysis done on those same emails. This

494
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.079
is not me saying this. This is another individual who

495
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.359
also read all four hundred pages of the emails, and

496
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:08.880
it started out saying, yeah, I didn't buy him, not

497
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:12.119
having any knowledge or ability to follow this case. This

498
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.240
case undoubtedly made worldwide news. He's talking about John Benny Ramsay.

499
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:19.359
I do see a constructive difference where the emails take

500
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.799
a turn in personality and construction, for sure. I also

501
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.519
note that at times Michael Tracy's words were eerily similar

502
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.160
to those of Z. And when I see your confusion

503
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:31.119
with who might have said it, it's because it is

504
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:33.559
so reminiscent of what we expect to hear from Z

505
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.799
that even I had to reread to determine who said it.

506
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:39.799
Carr seems to have the same whiny words in many

507
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:42.920
of his emails that appear extremely redundant, and that maybe

508
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:44.960
due to the lack of new info, and he was

509
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.680
trying to keep the conversation going until he gets some

510
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:51.160
important info that must be conveyed, and then the emails

511
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:53.960
take on a whole new agenda and overtone. He is

512
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:57.440
basically attempting to point to pedophilia and asphyxia, which makes

513
00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:59.319
me think we are looking where he wants us to

514
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:01.799
instead of the real place. And then there is a

515
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.640
push for the book, for recognition, and that push for

516
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:07.160
the book is no different than the push that we

517
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.920
saw in the Zodiac or in the letters to Tom Voyd,

518
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.119
that push for movies. So in these emails, he's pushing

519
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:16.319
for a book to be written about him. He's basically

520
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:20.279
attempting to Okay, wait, two completely separate agendas. I lean

521
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:22.799
on the book being the ultimate motive. And where else

522
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.559
do you see an uncaught killer attempting to make contact

523
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:27.799
with anyone to get a book or movie deal made.

524
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:31.240
Other than the Zodiac Killer. You don't see that anywhere else.

525
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:34.759
Carr was definitely a patsy, And I wonder if this

526
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.480
was initiated with Dennis Kaufman's revelations to a majority of

527
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:40.960
law enforcement in two thousand and two thousand and one.

528
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.720
It is all very timely. And I note location, location, location,

529
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.160
Sonoma County, of all places, is where they find this pedophile.

530
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:51.960
Sonoma County supposedly can't get San Francisco Police Department to

531
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.319
do a match on Jack Terrence's pom print that Dennis

532
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:58.200
Coffin gave him, and there are unsolved murders in this

533
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:01.440
jurisdiction from z as well well. In my honest opinion,

534
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.079
I believe that John Mark Carr created all all the

535
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:08.440
chapter names, but there are many missing parts to these emails.

536
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.920
The response that he is familiar with criminal profilers is

537
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.799
a direct statement found in Zodiac Scorpion letters to John Walsh,

538
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:18.720
John Benet, Ramsey Black Dahl. Yet, and I'm sure more

539
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.519
that I haven't thought of just yet. Many words like

540
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.720
heavens and paradise and more that you have pointed out

541
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:28.200
stand out tremendously. There is an even bigger chance that

542
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:31.119
there's people making cars sound like Ze so that they

543
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:34.519
can keep the mystery going and have tracked Jack Terrence

544
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:38.440
and his happenings throughout his final years. This kind, this kind,

545
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:41.599
this kind of ties in with all parties knowing that

546
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.519
law enforcement is involved. The loss of cars computers is

547
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.079
no coincidence. I mean, why run from charges only to

548
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.200
turn yourself in for something far larger like murder? This

549
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:55.640
makes no apparent sense unless he knew he wasn't returning

550
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.920
to the US to face any real charges. Yeah, I

551
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:02.200
don't see car a technical person by any means. And

552
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.960
the need to disclose such is simply overstating where there

553
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.519
is no need, or he was being fed the knowhow,

554
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.519
just like the information in the Ramsey case. I did

555
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.240
not read anything on car that included a deep knowledge

556
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.200
of anything in the technical field, with education or otherwise.

557
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:20.279
He said. He sent me a link. I think that

558
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.119
you might like this article from a crime library. But

559
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.279
this is now broken. So evidently this is something in

560
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.920
regards to the Ramseys. But it was on truetv dot com.

561
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:32.440
But now you can't even get into this library or

562
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:35.960
receive whatever this communication was. So that's why I tell people,

563
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:40.119
heed what you're reading and researching on the internet these days,

564
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.440
because a lot of stuff has been torn down. Why

565
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.119
everything else. They tell you, if you put a picture

566
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.920
of yourself up there on the internet naked, is going

567
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:51.599
to be there forever, right, Yeah, nobody's going to take

568
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:53.720
it down for you. So these people are capable of

569
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.240
getting things removed and removed to the point where you're

570
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:57.799
never going to be able to find it again, not

571
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.440
even using the wayback machine.

572
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.720
So you know who had this analysis.

573
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:06.319
This was Terry Batcher.

574
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.160
Oh Terry, Okay, yeah, okay.

575
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.480
So this is a fight I believe the okay, so

576
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:14.759
he goes on to say, I find that it tells

577
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.519
too much about the rampage taken against the Ramseys, and

578
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:20.039
how much of the evidence was strewn with falsehoods to

579
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.839
get the scoop, and the police fed lies that promoted

580
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.960
their stance on the suspects of interest. I noted that

581
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.559
the article reminds everyone that Boulder had not seen a

582
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:32.039
homicide that year, and that law enforcement was uneducated in

583
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.480
the aspect of proper procedure for such an event. I

584
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.200
wonder if the ink in the sharpeat was ever tested

585
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.039
to see if it was in fact a very same

586
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:44.039
pen used and with the information the perpetrators knew, it

587
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:47.240
is possible that they purchased similar style notepads as the

588
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:50.200
Ramsey used. I did not see where there was any

589
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.319
indication that the paper carried impressions of writing from anyone

590
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:56.160
in the house, but there were impressions and practice sheets

591
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.279
from the suspect. This does not mean that the notepad

592
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.039
came from the ram home. The other theory that the

593
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:04.400
intruder had at some point been in the Ramsey home

594
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.559
to know such intimate details, would also give the opportunity

595
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:09.799
for the notepad to have been taken and brought back.

596
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:12.680
Obviously they took the cord and the duct tape they

597
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.240
brought from the home, and that is probably because it

598
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.359
could not be linked to the Ramseys. Duct tape is

599
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.519
one of those messy tapes that pick up everything it

600
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:23.240
lies on, and this would have had some trace evidence

601
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.759
that could help to idea perpetrator if it had been

602
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.000
left behind, as well as the rope, Speaking of which

603
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.519
was DNA tested on the rope and did they come

604
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:34.839
up with anything? After all, with touch DNA these days,

605
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:37.440
something should have been found unless the killer war gloves,

606
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.799
which would make the specialty not even more complicated to

607
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:43.680
perfectly complete. Again, I look at that not I just

608
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:47.079
don't see it being special. No, no, it looks like

609
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:51.400
a jumbled mess, he says. I read two different aspects

610
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.279
of where the ransom note was found. One was on

611
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:55.160
the staircase and the other was on the floor by

612
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.279
the back door, so I'm not sure where it was

613
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.440
actually found. I also read it was a baseball found

614
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:03.279
in the yard where the children didn't usually play. So

615
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:06.920
which is it again, baseball bat or golf club. These

616
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.079
kinds of things make it impossible for any member of

617
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.800
the public to help solve a crime. I don't believe

618
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:15.360
Jack Terrence had any intentions of squealing on his associates

619
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.960
at all. I believe that he was every bit concerned

620
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:20.480
for never getting the true recognition for what he got

621
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:24.079
away with. While he points out many many media entities

622
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:28.920
throughout his communications, which include publishers, journalists, newspapers, authors, investigators,

623
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:32.400
and movies that does not have the events correctly. So

624
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.119
new theory if you point suspicion towards something it isn't

625
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.760
and portray a hatred for a particular group of people

626
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.079
i e. Media, law enforcement, where maybe there is none.

627
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:44.599
In the end, Jack Terrence was well aware that no

628
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.760
one was taking Dennis Kaufman serious, and he knew darn

629
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.159
well who was covering him up and called out every

630
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:54.800
single one of them in one way or another. This

631
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:58.719
is what I skipped across, right It basically like just

632
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.719
sums up what I I believe I mean, and he

633
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:06.119
got that got that take from those emails. This is

634
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.639
what I skipped across while letting my research get away

635
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:10.880
with me. I was reading that in nineteen ninety seven,

636
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.599
Alex Hunter was the DA in Buler, Colorado. This made

637
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:17.280
me think of the Gonzo faxes I received from someone

638
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:21.480
on the internet. The letter is dated ten twenty eight,

639
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.440
ninety seven. They believe that Hunter Thompson had very similar

640
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.320
writing to that of the Red Phantom Dear Marco letter.

641
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.519
The letter reads with some consistency to that of Zodiac

642
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.920
and the little red heart on the arms screened Jack Terrence.

643
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.960
But I'm sure many men have a read heart tattoo.

644
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:39.760
I think is this is actually my writings now? So

645
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:43.320
I'm now reverted back. That was the ending of Terry's

646
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.679
This is just notes that I was making on the end.

647
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.840
I initially looked at these documents and seeing some comparable characteristics,

648
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.239
but then I needed to recalibrate and realize that this

649
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.400
is Hunter Thompson's natural handwriting and the writing in the

650
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.840
Dear Marco letter was disguised or was it? So I

651
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.480
did some out of the research and found that Hunter

652
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.360
Thompson was supposed to be dear friends with Ralph Stedman.

653
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.440
So why does Hunter to say these nasty mean things

654
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.880
to this man? Right? Have you seen the Gonzo faxes?

655
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.880
I have not, But Ralph Stedman was artist from Great

656
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.280
Britain and they did the story on the Kentucky Derby

657
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.199
together instead of the d R.

658
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.880
Well backs up my research which said they were friends.

659
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.159
But if you spend.

660
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.599
Lots of time in the Bay Area, because his main

661
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:36.119
publisher of magazine wise was Rolling Stone Magazine.

662
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:41.360
Okay, San Francisco, Okay, Well, then that backs up the

663
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.800
research that I found that suggested that they were friends.

664
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:47.159
Why would he write such a hateful letter. And I

665
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:49.519
don't know that we've gotten to the Gonzo faxes yet.

666
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.000
Probably no, because we're in nineteen ninety six right now,

667
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:56.719
and these letters were nineteen ninety seven, so you will

668
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.760
be seeing the hundred or the Hunter Thompson faxes.

669
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.199
And Thompson did need to Colorado. I'm pretty sure it

670
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:06.440
was Aspen. He actually ran for share of I think

671
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.559
really Yeah.

672
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:10.760
And who was Hunter Thompson?

673
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:15.000
He was another famous writer, but he was mainly did

674
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.599
non fiction and he did a lot of political writing.

675
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.400
Fear and loading on the campaign campaign trail fear and

676
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:25.000
loathing in Las Vegas.

677
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.119
I have that in here. Yeah, So that makes it

678
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.360
very odd that somebody who's an author then wants to

679
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.639
run for law enforcement. I mean, I just feel like

680
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.679
it's just such a tight knit community between all of these,

681
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:44.840
it's unbelievable. So I did write, why does hunter Thompson

682
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.199
say these nasty, mean things to the man who eventually

683
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.440
completed hunter Thompson's funeral arrangements. I did read another communication

684
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.559
by hunter Thompson, and he does seem to be a

685
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.519
nasty individual to begin with, and if this is how

686
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.519
he acts in business, then maybe this is how he

687
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.639
acts towards everyone in his life. And was merely upset

688
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:04.760
with Ralph at that moment when he wrote those gonzo faxes.

689
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.639
What I made note of was the reference to pan sexual,

690
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:09.679
which I take to mean that all sex of any

691
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:12.920
nature or any gender, maybe including children as well, wasn't

692
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.679
off limits. Then why would you say that about your friend?

693
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.360
Ralph Steadman was a very weird individual by the looks

694
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.079
of his art, but he made it big with this crap.

695
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.320
That's what I had to say. So that tells me

696
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.719
where there is a sick and twisted market for such things.

697
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.599
Diving in a little further, I read that Hunter Thompson

698
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.519
also worked for the San Francisco Examiner, and Ralph Stedman

699
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:36.800
drew pictures for Alice in Wonderland. All of the movies

700
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:39.159
and themes that we were seeing in the Zodiac stuff.

701
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:44.000
Ralph Steadman also contributed to Johnny Depp's songs and worked

702
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:49.960
on fear Loathing in Las Vegas and Treasure Island. That

703
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.840
research was all back from two thousand and ten or so.

704
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:57.079
So all of these things struck me as something Jack

705
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.400
Terrence would have known and cherished, being such a huge

706
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:00.840
book and movie buff that he was.

707
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:05.280
The thing real quick about Thompson was he was really arrogant,

708
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.280
and he uh pissed off a lot of people, and

709
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:12.519
then he ended up supposedly killing himself with a girls.

710
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.599
Supposedly he did have a thing for.

711
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:22.199
Guns, and that is that how he died by gun? Yes,

712
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:24.039
not a shotgun, right?

713
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:26.599
No, I think it was a pistol to the head.

714
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:30.280
I'm not positive though, huh. But they called it suicide

715
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:32.039
of course?

716
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:36.719
Why? Why? Why? And how when people are so famous

717
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.000
do they do these things to themselves? Do we? I

718
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:43.400
just I don't understand when you appeared into everything.

719
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:47.639
I think he was in his early sixties, a boy

720
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:49.000
my age.

721
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:55.000
It's just so weird. I get it. If you're like

722
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:57.920
low poverty and you know, don't have anything to look

723
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:00.840
forward to, that you might consider your own life and

724
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:03.639
you feeling like life is over. But I just don't

725
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.920
understand it when they're in positions like they are here.

726
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:13.639
Yeah, I'm trying to like beautiful women for girlfriends and wives,

727
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.039
and right, he's pretty.

728
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.760
Famous, so I keep looking for where is the connection.

729
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:22.920
I read at one point about the underground journalism occurring

730
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.119
in the sixties, and we know, of course that journalism

731
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:27.880
has been corrupted since its inception by very powerful and

732
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:31.159
rich owners such as Hirst, Murdock, Maxwell, and many others.

733
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:34.639
Journalism has also been corrupted by politics and law enforcement.

734
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:37.440
Politics control what they can and can't say, while law

735
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.079
enforcement sees fit to feed false information and leads to

736
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.000
bolster their agenda against their suspects, such as the ramsays

737
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.960
to the media and newspapers. If the MOB is actually

738
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:48.719
the owner of such media newspapers, then maybe while they

739
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.920
fulfilled an agenda against particular individuals, this also gave them

740
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.159
a story to report on, or a book to write,

741
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.039
or a movie to make, and of course that means

742
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.320
that they're making money off of it on top of it.

743
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.400
Never been able to shake the feeling that Hollyweird is

744
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.960
somehow responsible for the suppression of the truth in order

745
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.320
to facilitate the money making avenue that they've created. With

746
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:12.119
that come ties to law enforcement, underground criminical activity, and

747
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.000
others to assist in the misinformation given that has gotten

748
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.840
us to the place we are today, then we have

749
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.719
the likes of Chris Wolfe who is a journalist, Michael Tracy,

750
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:25.320
he's a journalism professor, Chris Pickele from CBS which was

751
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:29.440
originally Kron owned by San Francisco newspaper owner either The

752
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.840
Examiner or Chronicle. But Tom Boyd's father was a journalist.

753
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:36.280
John Walsh is an investigative journalism like it just keeps

754
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.719
tying itself right back around one another. I'm not sure

755
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:41.639
where this is going at this point, but why not

756
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.679
a group of eccentric journalists with sick and twisted agendas

757
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.199
both financial and political, with Jack Terrence or a group

758
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.559
as a hired gun, criminal connections galore, and law enforcement

759
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.159
at their fingertips. Wouldn't it be easy to make it

760
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:55.480
look like a pedophile ring or play suspicion where it

761
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.519
doesn't belong. And then I quoted things are not what

762
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:02.519
they seem because that's something that the Zodiac did state.

763
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:05.800
It's not going to be what you think it is.

764
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.840
And there are pedophile rings out there that are involved

765
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:16.719
with organized crime and law enforcement.

766
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.400
Under yeah, you have to be just like getting guns

767
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.119
and drugs into the country. Somebody knows somebody.

768
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:26.039
And there's a lot of links between satanic organizations and

769
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:27.280
pedophile rings.

770
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:33.760
Well, if like that Jasmine Nor that had completed her

771
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:38.000
Little Succinct podcast on how she believes that there's direct

772
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:43.480
connectivity to the government and mk ulture actually creating these cults.

773
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.400
So it just like creating the serial killer persona, they've

774
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:49.480
created cult personas well.

775
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.199
There's there's a theory that, yeah, I mk ultra was

776
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.199
the Symbin's Liberation Army based out of the area, the

777
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:01.880
ones that kidnapped Chucha Hurst, that they were an mk ultra.

778
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:06.400
I feel like that whole thing was rigged just as well.

779
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.599
Yeah, some of the same mind control experts were involved

780
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:15.079
with SIT and cute at Vacabelle prison and other places. Well,

781
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.400
and nothing started out in La area.

782
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:22.239
Well, nothing stops her from being one of them. Well,

783
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:26.800
socialites were also a category of mk ultra, and you

784
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:30.039
would have placed Patty Hurst in a socialite standard right

785
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.719
because of how famous her father was, how rich and yeah,

786
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:38.679
sameous he was. She was what they called an eiriss right,

787
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:40.920
so she would have been a socialite. She would have

788
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:43.079
been one of those people that would have been placed

789
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.360
into that position, either by choice, I don't want to

790
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:49.320
say by choice where they might have producted me.

791
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:54.119
It was pretty progressive. She wasn't conservative, was her grandfather

792
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:54.599
or father.

793
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.719
So if she's progressive and not conservative, likelihood of her

794
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:04.119
being brainwashed is probably a little less possible.

795
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.239
She was a little more susceptible to the brainwashing you

796
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:12.039
think she was, I think so, huh. But they did.

797
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.280
They did torture and brainwasher, They kept her in a closet,

798
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:17.840
They did all kinds of wild things for her.

799
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:20.960
But we know that for sure or is that just

800
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:22.199
a story we've been told?

801
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:26.000
Well, I wasn't there, so I can't say for sure.

802
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:27.880
But that's what I'm saying.

803
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.280
We never can authority in the books I've read.

804
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.199
But if that's the narrative that they're feeding, that's the

805
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:35.960
history and the precedents they're setting.

806
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:40.039
I don't know a lot of this hasn't been disclosed

807
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:46.119
through mainstream media stories. These are well researched investigative journalism books.

808
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.320
Oh well, we were back to journalism once again. Like

809
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.760
I said, I love to do research and put something

810
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:54.559
off of the news, But then I tell you what,

811
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:57.360
I'll be damned if I find out later that it's false.

812
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.079
Right in the theory of the one book is that

813
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.920
the MK ultra used the Symbionese Liberation Army to help

814
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:11.199
kill the progressive movement because it made them resort to

815
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:17.159
violence and murder of random people and to support their

816
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:22.039
quote unquote progressive agenda like feeding for and helping UH

817
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:26.000
underprivileged youth and things like that. They did do those things,

818
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:27.920
but they also murdered innocent people.

819
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.519
Well, so you're you're you're saying, you're saying something that

820
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:35.840
just rings the bell in my head that both Patty

821
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:40.679
Hurst was progressive and so was the Simionese Army.

822
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:43.719
Right well in theory, but now they were they were

823
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:48.639
they were a tool, right, they were a setup.

824
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:51.960
And that's what makes me question whether.

825
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:58.440
Was to stop the progressive movement in California mainly, but

826
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:00.119
also throughout throughout the kind.

827
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:03.760
And that's what makes me feel like that that not

828
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:06.599
only that was a big money maker for hers. Can

829
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.119
you imagine the millions of newspaper it sold him? Just

830
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:12.880
covering the story of his daughter being kidnapped. And yes,

831
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.400
I'm doing air quotes. I just don't know whether I

832
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:19.159
bought that she was really kidnapped or that wasn't an

833
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:23.199
agenda that they created obviously so that the result in

834
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:25.559
the end benefited them no matter which direction it went.

835
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:29.519
So like one of their demands was that her stripped

836
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.639
the money to feed a bunch of poor children in

837
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:33.760
Oakland and the may area.

838
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.639
I saw that. I saw that and as well as

839
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:38.119
he should.

840
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:40.400
And I mean, I don't know, right, So they did

841
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.159
have certain things that were progressive, but at the same

842
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.800
time they were, you know, doing all this wild other

843
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:51.920
shit too, right, And then the majority of them were

844
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.000
killed in a shootout which was more of an ambush

845
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:57.559
and an attack in LA and they basically they are

846
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.880
blowing up the house kind of like they did the krash.

847
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:09.440
Wow again in another cult. Right, they create them and

848
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:11.440
then they destroy them. Like I said, I've always felt

849
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:14.239
that Hollyweird will make and break you. You're you're either

850
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.920
their favorite love child or you're their you know, worst enemy.

851
00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:20.800
And it dawns on me whenever I see somebody who

852
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.599
was once famous and always and shows that now they're

853
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:27.480
you know, playing the part of what is that the

854
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:32.000
general insurance? Like you can take the commercials.

855
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:37.519
The People's Temple started out in San Francisco too, and

856
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.559
they actually have strong ties with Mayor Moscoony.

857
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.960
Oh, what is the People's Simple? Is that like scientology?

858
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:45.719
Jones?

859
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:50.400
Jones, gotcha. Yeah, I'm not up on my Colt stuff.

860
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:55.880
But this guy here, there's a great book about the

861
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.320
history of San Francisco written by one of my favorite authors,

862
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:03.599
and it discusses the slo It discusses Jim Jones, Moscone,

863
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:11.360
Dan White, twinky defense guy that killed Mosconey. And yeah,

864
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.119
he was on the board of supervisors with Harvey Milk,

865
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.599
the really progressive, famous gay supervisor, and Moscooney was the

866
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:24.000
mayor at the time. And then White murdered Harvey Milk

867
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.639
and Moscooney shot him both same day and then got

868
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.760
arrested or turned himself in or forgot or let himself

869
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.079
get arrested, and then his lawyers use what was known

870
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.519
as the Twinkie defense that he had temporary insanity based

871
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:38.800
on eating Jiminy sweets.

872
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:45.760
Yes, I have never heard of that. I did a book.

873
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:47.840
I have the book I Glaner's called season of The

874
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:49.599
Witch by David Taliban.

875
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:53.360
Did he get off or he got it? Yeah?

876
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:55.639
And then eventually later he killed himself.

877
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.239
Of course he did. Now we can start to see

878
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:05.119
it like so that that in itself was probably set

879
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:07.800
up and designed to get their agenda done, which was

880
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:11.599
killing those two individuals, having a Patsy who eventually gets

881
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:14.239
off from it and then suicided because he probably knew

882
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:18.159
too much. And again, you know, you can keep a secret.

883
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.519
Three people can keep the secret if two are dead, right.

884
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:29.000
Right scary And that right around that time is when

885
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:31.519
the AIDS epidemic hit.

886
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:36.239
Oh yes, hepatitis be shots. They said, okay, well this

887
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:38.199
is kind of the end, and I'm going to save

888
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:42.320
Lawrence Kane and the exculping of him till next week.

889
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:44.719
So I want to thank everybody for having been here.

890
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.320
I hope you had a wonderful Christmas, have a wonderful weekend,

891
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.559
and we will see you all next Friday. Thank you

892
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:51.559
Nolan for being here.

893
00:49:52.599 --> 00:50:16.079
You're welcome. Thank you, yez Do thing Manza sh