April 25, 2025

Jack, Hypnosis, and Texas Murders

Jack, Hypnosis, and Texas Murders

Texas sees more murders in 1984. Jack is finally showing that as of September 1984 he is officially claiming to be working for Hewlett Packard and that he is at the address that Nora and the kids are even though they are divorced. Tim Miller’s...

iHeartRadio podcast player iconSpotify podcast player iconAmazon Music podcast player iconAudible podcast player iconPandora podcast player iconSpreaker podcast player iconPodchaser podcast player iconApple Podcasts podcast player iconPodcast Addict podcast player iconAudacy podcast player iconTuneIn podcast player iconCastro podcast player iconCastbox podcast player iconCastamatic podcast player iconFountain podcast player iconGoodpods podcast player iconOvercast podcast player iconPocketCasts podcast player iconPodurama podcast player iconPodyssey podcast player iconRSS Feed podcast player iconYoutube Music podcast player iconYouTube podcast player iconDeezer podcast player iconJioSaavn podcast player icon
iHeartRadio podcast player iconSpotify podcast player iconAmazon Music podcast player iconAudible podcast player iconPandora podcast player iconSpreaker podcast player iconPodchaser podcast player iconApple Podcasts podcast player iconPodcast Addict podcast player iconAudacy podcast player iconTuneIn podcast player iconCastro podcast player iconCastbox podcast player iconCastamatic podcast player iconFountain podcast player iconGoodpods podcast player iconOvercast podcast player iconPocketCasts podcast player iconPodurama podcast player iconPodyssey podcast player iconRSS Feed podcast player iconYoutube Music podcast player iconYouTube podcast player iconDeezer podcast player iconJioSaavn podcast player icon

Texas sees more murders in 1984. Jack is finally showing that as of September 1984 he is officially claiming to be working for Hewlett Packard and that he is at the address that Nora and the kids are even though they are divorced. Tim Miller’s daughter is killed on the same date this report is filled out, yet this report is not mailed for 8 months to probation. Dennis writes about Jack’s use of hypnosis, and Harriette has another solve for us.

Hit the Road Jack: Finding the Zodiac is broadcast live Fridays at 10AM PT on K4HD Radio - Hollywood Talk Radio (www.k4hd.com) part of Talk 4 Radio (www.talk4radio.com) on the Talk 4 Media Network (www.talk4media.com). Hit the Road Jack: Finding the Zodiac TV Show is viewed on Talk 4 TV (www.talk4tv.com).

Hit the Road Jack: Finding the Zodiac Podcast is also available on Talk 4 Media (www.talk4media.com), Talk 4 Podcasting (www.talk4podcasting.com), iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Audible, and over 100 other podcast outlets.

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/hit-the-road-jack-finding-the-zodiac--5297837/support.

WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:04.480
This program is designed to provide general information with regards

2
00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:07.480
to the subject matters covered. This information is given with

3
00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:11.880
the understanding that neither the hosts, guests, sponsors, or station

4
00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:17.280
are engaged in rendering any specific and personal medical, financial,

5
00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:21.480
legal counseling, professional service, or any advice.

6
00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:23.920
You should seek the services.

7
00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:27.920
Of competent professionals before applying or trying any suggested ideas.

8
00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:55.479
Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

9
00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.920
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

10
00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:02.079
I'd like to welcome Harriet Soochet to the show this morning.

11
00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:06.480
Yes, good morning from Pome sort.

12
00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:08.599
Of such a good place to be.

13
00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:16.200
Yeah, definitely, And I had a coded missive beautiful.

14
00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:19.319
Yeah, we're gonna hit that next. I have a little

15
00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:21.359
bit of laundry. I wanted to get out there. For

16
00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:24.920
anybody who has not seen this movie yet, it's called

17
00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:30.599
Mauritanian and Jody Foster received either nominations for awards or awards.

18
00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:34.799
I honestly only got involved with watching it because I

19
00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:37.120
saw that Jodie Foster was in the cast. I haven't

20
00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:40.200
seen her make anything for quite some time. I really

21
00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:42.680
just was going to check out and see how she's aging.

22
00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:46.719
And how she's doing and all of these things, and

23
00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:50.040
found myself completely engulfed in a movie which to me

24
00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:51.879
kind of looked like a Patsy for the nine to

25
00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:57.120
eleven events. I found it super interesting to note what

26
00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:01.599
we will do to people as a country, but we

27
00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:04.599
won't do it inside of our country. So basically the

28
00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:08.120
set of this is at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. Now,

29
00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:11.159
when did we make friends with Cuba again? Harriet?

30
00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:11.520
Do you know?

31
00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:17.759
Well, they're still considered a communist country, so I think

32
00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:20.960
I think we made friends with Cuba again kind of

33
00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:25.360
right after circa nineteen seventy, you know, after all the

34
00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:31.599
hijackings back to Cuba, so it's it's still considered a

35
00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:35.360
communist country, but they quietly tried to get some trade going,

36
00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:39.400
and you know, so I think it's been a while, That's.

37
00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:41.639
What I kind of I remember, like back in the day,

38
00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:44.120
if you had a Cuban cigar, you could be in trouble.

39
00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:46.360
You could go to jail or you know, there was

40
00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:50.439
some illegalities behind having it, but it was supposed to

41
00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:53.000
be the best cigar, and of course anybody who had

42
00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:56.080
money had them, and I'm sure they weren't getting busted

43
00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:57.159
and put into prison.

44
00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:04.280
But did they exactly I'm like, did they ever lift

45
00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:07.680
that ban or illegalities on the I bet this was

46
00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:10.759
a question for Nolan, But I know he's super busy

47
00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:13.520
with cases and deadlines that he's got to make by Monday,

48
00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:17.400
so I don't know that we'll see him today, But yeah,

49
00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:19.120
that would have been a great question for him.

50
00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:23.360
Either way. They basically, you know, arrested this guy, took

51
00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:26.199
him from his home and I'm guessing somewhere in Saudi

52
00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:30.479
Arabia by the looks of it, or or East India U, yeah,

53
00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:34.199
East India, and they flew him out to Guantanamo Bay

54
00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:38.039
where they basically tortured and hammered him. And the things

55
00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:40.800
that they do to him is just absolutely outrageous. So

56
00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:44.280
no wonder the whole get up for Guantanamo is in Cuba,

57
00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:46.879
because you couldn't get away with that in the United States.

58
00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:50.360
Still illegal to import in the US, they say, as

59
00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:53.719
far as Cuban cigars, gotcha, So you gotta have some

60
00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:55.680
money to get your hands on them bad boys. But

61
00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.840
I know there are people out there still enjoying them.

62
00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.479
Either way, he was he Finally, Jodi Foster comes in

63
00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:08.479
as his attorney and basically wins him the right to

64
00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:12.960
be released after seven years of torture. Some of the

65
00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:15.800
most maddening things I've ever seen done to somebody. I

66
00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.800
literally sat there in awe. Not that I didn't know

67
00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:20.720
that this is kind of some of the tactics they

68
00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:23.279
do when they're trying to interrogate people, but more or

69
00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:25.839
less because you're visually seen and it is based on

70
00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:29.439
a true story. So I would like everybody to, you know,

71
00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:31.639
take a look at this and see what our country does.

72
00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:34.720
Either way. Once she gets him released after seven years

73
00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:39.439
of hell and torture, Barack Obama actually sets an executive

74
00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:42.920
order and holds him for another seven years. And mind you, you

75
00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:45.639
guys that he hasn't been charged with a darn thing,

76
00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:49.600
and that's why Jodi Foster was able to supposedly win

77
00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:52.360
his freedom, and the court said, let this man go.

78
00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:54.000
If you're not going to charge him, you have to

79
00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:56.959
let him go. And of course we see Barack Obama.

80
00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.240
It states at the end of this that he literally

81
00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:01.959
made sure that this man didn't leave for another seven years.

82
00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.399
So for fourteen years of his life, he lost all

83
00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:10.759
of his freedoms, was treated horrendously by the United States,

84
00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:13.519
and in all for what. In the end, he was released.

85
00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:16.720
He did write a book in regards to this, but

86
00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:19.399
I was watching it. If you watch the end clips,

87
00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:21.600
you get to see the actual gentleman with the different

88
00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:25.480
books from different countries and languages, and it is so

89
00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.079
heavily redacted. And that's one of the things they said

90
00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:29.879
at the end is that even though he wrote his book,

91
00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:34.160
the government took their black redaction pen and took away

92
00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:37.319
everything that they said he couldn't produce, which blows my

93
00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:42.040
mind because we're supposed to be the country freedom of speech.

94
00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:47.920
I'm just gonna lost you guys.

95
00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:52.360
Do something. Yeah, can I introduce something really quick?

96
00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:53.560
Okay?

97
00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.160
We've had in our family and I have them now.

98
00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:59.759
We've always called them the beer glasses from Cuba. My

99
00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:04.399
father went to nineteen sixty two Cuba as a merchant

100
00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:08.240
seman and got these and it was supposed to be

101
00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:11.680
around midnight. I'm trying to remember what the story is.

102
00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:15.959
So I have beer processes from Cuba nineteen sixty two.

103
00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:22.000
That's crazy, and that's what literally before. Okay, So I'm

104
00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:24.439
getting a note that says JFK signed a law that

105
00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:28.240
prohibited US citizens from doing business with Cuba. That's the

106
00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:32.040
only reason why Cuban cigars are illegal in US. So

107
00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:37.279
if we've started to open up trade and association with

108
00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:41.560
them and these are still illegal, obviously it must be

109
00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:45.839
their mainstay. It must be something that they produce hugely,

110
00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:50.839
and they don't want the United States patronizing these individuals

111
00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.319
for whatever reason. But you know, that takes us back

112
00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:58.639
to Sb's SBTC. Right, was Subic Bay, the whole Bush

113
00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:02.720
thing and everything that happened. I want to say, what

114
00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.519
when when was that? That was? That was in the sixties,

115
00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:10.959
right when they went over it burnt down all the casinos,

116
00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:13.720
all the mobs. Well, I guess that was obviously Fidel

117
00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:18.800
Castro Castro, right, that burnt down everything, and yeah, gotcha.

118
00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:22.319
So well there were yeah, in countries like what was

119
00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:25.600
going on in Vietnam that was beginning in Vietnam. I

120
00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:28.720
mean really the war was getting really underway. And that's

121
00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:31.120
my father took part in trying to get people out

122
00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.639
and stuff out in nineteen sixty two in that part

123
00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:37.720
of the world also, So it's really strange to be

124
00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:39.639
talking about this at hit home.

125
00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:43.600
Right, right, and with the burning of all the casinos,

126
00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.160
and the you know, hotels and the things in Cuba,

127
00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.120
those were all owned by what American mobsters.

128
00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.120
Well, I think it was a whole mess of people,

129
00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:55.680
but you know, definitely tied to America. I guess it

130
00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:59.199
was only what ninety miles away from Florida, which is

131
00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:06.560
the the you know, the closest coastline of USA. So yeah,

132
00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:08.439
I think there was a lot of people, a lot

133
00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:12.920
of businesses connected and they only had from what I understand,

134
00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.319
the mob had their two percent or five percent of

135
00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:16.399
all those businesses.

136
00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:20.160
Right, So you bought that system and you burn it

137
00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.600
down so that they don't make their money that they're making.

138
00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:24.839
Of course, now all of a sudden we see politics

139
00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:33.360
step in and you're a communist communist country. May well,

140
00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:38.960
you'll enjoy this YouTuber. He's at Ed edwards Cipher's which

141
00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:41.240
I've discussed with him a couple of different times. He's

142
00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:44.399
the one that doesn't have any handwriting on Ed Edwards

143
00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:48.279
but insists that Ed Edwards is the zodiac and that

144
00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:51.240
he has figured out his ciphers and all of these

145
00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:55.559
things that I thought was extremely interesting at first. And

146
00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:58.080
he reached out to me based on last week's show,

147
00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.679
and he said, now you're talking my language, while I'm

148
00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:04.360
not a question documents examiner. I've been studying the writing

149
00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:07.639
style of both the Zodiac and another certain serial killer.

150
00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.559
Now is that certain serial killer supposed to be Ed Edwards?

151
00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:20.559
And that was supposed to be I wonder why he

152
00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:25.440
said certain right, certain serial killer. I don't even know

153
00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:28.279
that they have any information on Ed Edwards as him

154
00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:30.720
being a serial killer. I guess I should probably look

155
00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:34.159
this guy up. Either way, he didn't have any handwriting

156
00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.000
on him for me to look at, but he says

157
00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:39.559
he's been and I don't so, I literally don't understand.

158
00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:41.759
He says, I've been studying the writing style of both

159
00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:44.840
the Zodiac and another certain serial killer. If he is

160
00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:47.759
talking about Ed Ed Edwards, I've alread asked him if

161
00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:50.759
he has hand righting. He said no, So who's the

162
00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:53.799
certain serial killer? And then he says, I've long wondered

163
00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:57.960
about the s or as they're popular known, popularly known

164
00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.039
he says popularly, I don't call them candy cane s,

165
00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:04.759
and I'm a handwriting expert, but he says popularly known

166
00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:08.080
candy cane fs. I found them very interesting and I

167
00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:12.200
have a theory of what they actually are. My problem

168
00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:16.960
with the statement is that obviously he is withholding some information,

169
00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:20.159
acting like he wants to give information, but not actually

170
00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:23.759
giving any information in this post. I mean, please, you guys,

171
00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:25.440
if you're going to come on and you're going to

172
00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:28.200
post some type of a comment, at least give me

173
00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:30.759
the evidence or the or the inference of what it

174
00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:32.840
is that you're talking about so that we can have

175
00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:36.200
an actual conversation. So I actually hit him back up

176
00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:38.519
and I said, if you weren't a hand handwriting expert,

177
00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:41.279
how can this be Your language certainly is mine, So

178
00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.120
I would love to get your take on the candy

179
00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.320
cane SS, even though we weren't discussing them on this video,

180
00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:53.000
so I don't know he was known. Yeah that's what

181
00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:54.600
that's what he's calling them.

182
00:10:54.759 --> 00:11:00.120
But but he's calling them the candy cane F anyways.

183
00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.799
Shaped like a candy cane.

184
00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.799
Even maybe it's something I posted online, but.

185
00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.759
Anyways, I have no idea. My point being is that

186
00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:12.840
an F by nature is formed like a candy cane.

187
00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:16.639
I mean, look at your font. The F is a

188
00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.200
candy cane. We don't refer to it as a candy cane.

189
00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:21.840
It's called an F and it's called a lowercase F

190
00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:25.159
at that. So when I hit him back up with

191
00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:27.879
that instead of getting and I asked him, I'd love

192
00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:30.639
to get his take on it, right, that's my response.

193
00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.799
He says, well, that's an interesting question. I'll try to

194
00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.799
explain why Donald and Betty Harden were amateurs yet they

195
00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.919
broke a zodiac cipher when this FBI, CIA and other

196
00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:46.840
professionals could not hold up. Wait a minute, is he

197
00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:49.200
full of himself? Are you trying to sell me the

198
00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:52.679
single bullet theory? You believe that the FBI and the

199
00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:57.960
CIA couldn't solve a simple substitution cipher? You've lost your gord.

200
00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:03.320
That was all staged. I mean, looking back, I can

201
00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:06.320
see it was stage. And I think is one of

202
00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:10.039
the people that he just named. He was a naval expert,

203
00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:12.399
you know, he just you know, have to be also

204
00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.200
teaching in the school, if I remember one of the

205
00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:18.120
hardens in spite of their stories, so he wasn't just

206
00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:21.120
your average amateur exactly.

207
00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:25.600
And if we think about the simple substitution, all he

208
00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:29.399
had to know is about simple substitution ciphers and that

209
00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:32.799
the most used letter of the alphabet will appear more

210
00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:36.080
in a message than any other letter of the alphabet,

211
00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:39.960
So it was more of a mathematical equation, right, determine

212
00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:42.679
which letters used most, plot that in for the most

213
00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.679
symbols that are similar, and then work your way outward

214
00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.120
from there to the next letter that's most used, and

215
00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:50.639
so on and so forth until you actually start to

216
00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.879
get a rhyme and reason to this message. It doesn't

217
00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:56.480
I guess if you want to call him a layman,

218
00:12:56.559 --> 00:13:00.080
because well, you're saying that he has experience with it, right.

219
00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:04.559
Yeah, some kind of experience in the past, and they're

220
00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:09.720
now teachers. So I said, the any history exactly your

221
00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.480
average average layman. But I can tell you it to

222
00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:15.600
be a fact that because I was doing it too

223
00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.200
as a kid, you did a lot of word puzzles

224
00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.639
because you didn't have like how we have things online

225
00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:23.080
now that is quick quick, bam, bam bam. And you

226
00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:25.919
did use your head. Just like you said, you do

227
00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:29.399
a trial and error until you get it right. And

228
00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:31.679
this the hardness kind of knew how.

229
00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:33.600
To do this, at least the hust exactly.

230
00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:37.039
So yeah, I wouldn't call them layman, and I wouldn't

231
00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:39.639
call them they were able to solve it over the

232
00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:42.840
FBI and CIA. You just literally called the FBI and

233
00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:48.559
the CIA absolutely worthless in that one single statement, And

234
00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:51.679
I highly doubt that they were not able to solve

235
00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:55.039
something as simple as a substitution cipher when the end

236
00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:59.000
resolved in twenty Well is it twenty twenty one or

237
00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:01.600
something like that? When that Orngchac claim that he used

238
00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:07.759
period nineteen substitute cipher, which was kind of a diagonal

239
00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:13.480
type solve basically to this.

240
00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:20.320
Message, Yeah, he tried something, but I got the solved

241
00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:22.799
and I think we covered it months ago.

242
00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:25.600
Now well yeah, yeah, we couverled it in.

243
00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:29.879
The information and it took three people sixteen years to

244
00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:30.399
solve it.

245
00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:35.480
Come on, right, right, And so he goes on to say,

246
00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:41.360
David Orngchac considers himself an amateur and not a professional cryptologist. Well,

247
00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:43.799
you can listen to what David Ornchak says all you

248
00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.840
want all day long, but this man has been up

249
00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.720
in the middle of this entire freaking scenario creating web

250
00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.919
toys and all kinds of things to break codes since

251
00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:55.559
well before I got involved.

252
00:14:57.039 --> 00:15:02.120
Yes, agreed, Yes, that's true. That was the leal athi

253
00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:05.159
that he had on Zodiac killer dot com and Tom

254
00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:10.360
White was supporting him. He's not your average cryptographer, but

255
00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.279
he was using computers to try to break and crackt

256
00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:15.559
things and you know.

257
00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.960
And that tells me you have an average well, but

258
00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:21.759
that tells me you're above average on this type of stuff.

259
00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:24.840
If you're creating an algorithm for a computer program that's

260
00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:27.399
supposed to be able to break code, don't call yourself

261
00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:31.360
an amateur. Like how many people can do that, like

262
00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.519
on the norm. Not many. He did go on and

263
00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:38.440
say he and his team broke another zodiac ciphers, So

264
00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:41.600
those could be two instances where amateurs were able to

265
00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:46.399
do something that professionals couldn't. Boy, you're full of yourself.

266
00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:49.360
At the professional this guy.

267
00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:54.200
Let's have this head Edwards guy on your show, right,

268
00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.919
I think I think I understand where these people are

269
00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.519
kind of coming from. I hate using that term, but

270
00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.279
you know, he's just trying to sell his product. But

271
00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.639
you know, and good luck with that, but you know,

272
00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:07.440
come on and have a discussion.

273
00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:12.480
He's trying to sell himself. And the crazy thing is

274
00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:15.320
that he's not doing a good job of selling himself.

275
00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:17.320
Because if you have a take on the candy cane

276
00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:19.919
f and you throw this kind of rhetoric back at

277
00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:22.240
me instead of that take on the on the candy

278
00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.200
cane fs. Then I think you've got You're just messing

279
00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:27.919
with me, You're just wasting my time. Well, he goes

280
00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.440
on to say, I would imagine just one bait maybe

281
00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.279
enough as an example, but those are two. No, I'm

282
00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:37.879
sorry at ed Edward Seipher's. Those are not two instances

283
00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.039
of lay people doing something that the government, the CIA,

284
00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:44.639
and the FBI couldn't do. He then, because I hadn't

285
00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.399
answered yet, comes back to say, I must apologize. I

286
00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:49.559
must have seen the part of the clip where you

287
00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:53.440
mentioned the candy cane f I never mentioned candy cane f's,

288
00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:56.759
he said, or just the f's in particular may have

289
00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:01.240
triggered my memory of them. That's probably more true. I

290
00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:04.960
think that they're very that they're I think they're that

291
00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:08.920
important actually, so I was both happy and impressed that

292
00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:12.319
you did speak about them. I didn't. And while I

293
00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:15.880
am not a professional, I'm just another person with an opinion.

294
00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:18.799
I do have an opinion on them. It would be

295
00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:23.319
hard to explain only in written correspondence because in my opinion,

296
00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:27.960
they involve concepts of cryptography, which apparently neither you nor

297
00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:31.240
I may be professionals at well, then why are you

298
00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:33.839
going to give me your take on it? If you

299
00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:38.759
don't know what you're doing, you're not a professional. You're

300
00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:42.319
going to give me basically your opinion or your perception

301
00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.160
of what you think these f's mean. In my mind,

302
00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:47.000
I mean, I get this every day. I took a

303
00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.480
case yesterday and they wanted to give me their perception

304
00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:51.680
of what they see in handwriting. They don't look at

305
00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:53.839
the same things that I do. So I had to

306
00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:56.480
stop them and say, look, you're not here to bias

307
00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:58.359
me or get me on your side, or tell me

308
00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:00.680
all the things you find right or wrong about writing.

309
00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.440
It's my job to determine that. So I'm gonna, you know,

310
00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.880
squash whatever you think you see, because I'm going to

311
00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:09.240
do this from a clean slate where I see what

312
00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:12.359
I see based on my experience and what I do

313
00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.759
as a professional. He finishes it off by saying, in

314
00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:19.920
a nutshell, however, it entails what may be missing, okay,

315
00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:23.400
especially when you compare the S to the actual zodiac

316
00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:26.799
sigle and he spelt this capital S, I G I L.

317
00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:29.480
Do you know what he's talking about? I probably should

318
00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:30.480
have googled the word.

319
00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:35.440
He said, what repeat that again? When was the one

320
00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:36.359
I G I L.

321
00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.839
S I G I L, He said, especially when you

322
00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.599
compare the s's to the actual zodiac Sigle.

323
00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:51.720
Sigel, what the hell is that? I'm sorry, I'm like,

324
00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:53.160
I'm drowing a blank here.

325
00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:56.279
I feel like, again, I probably should have googled it

326
00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:59.000
to see if it was actually a word. Anyways, he says,

327
00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.880
apologies and in back, as I mentioned, because just to mention

328
00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:04.480
it will not make any sense. So I do apologize

329
00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:08.559
in advance that that's a whole lot of that reminds

330
00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:11.759
me of some of the letters of the zodiac, wrote all.

331
00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:15.279
I knows. I usually see a lot of acronyms after

332
00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.319
when I'm narrowing down what I'm doing, and I would

333
00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:20.319
look something like that, up is that Latin?

334
00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:20.759
Is that?

335
00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:22.319
What is it? Is it a real word?

336
00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:23.839
So I don't know.

337
00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.480
It just calls it the actual the actual zodiac Sigle

338
00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:30.680
I am. Anyways, he goes on and he says, I

339
00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:33.240
would submit that I do feel that handwriting and its

340
00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:35.920
study are relevant, but I do feel that the application

341
00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:38.920
of cryptological concepts as they apply to handwriting may be

342
00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:42.839
very useful and a missing component. How can you say

343
00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:50.160
this if you're not even a professional doing cryptoanalysis. I'm

344
00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:52.359
at a loss either way. I didn't get an answer.

345
00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:55.000
And that's what really upsets me the most is because

346
00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:59.000
you spouted out about there is something behind this. You

347
00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:03.119
argue with me the ability of someone's take on what's

348
00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:06.599
been going on, and then you turn around and apologize

349
00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:08.640
to tell me that it won't make any sense if

350
00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:10.640
I try to tell you. So then why did you

351
00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:11.799
try to tell me?

352
00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:20.319
Oh, he's made his point, he's making his mark.

353
00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:24.680
Somw okay right either way?

354
00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:25.759
All right?

355
00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:28.599
So enough of that. This brings us to a solve

356
00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:31.200
that you had recently given to me. I thought it

357
00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:33.599
came out in nineteen eighty five, so my bad, I

358
00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:37.400
placed it in the wrong chronological order and have pulled

359
00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:39.319
it back to the forefront. I'll move it back to

360
00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:41.759
the nineteen sixty five era once we're done with it.

361
00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:44.279
But this was a letter that you skipped across. Where

362
00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:45.920
did you find this letter at, Harriet?

363
00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:50.400
I was looking for the one that I worked on

364
00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:55.720
with you ten years earlier, the sixty three, the nineteen

365
00:20:55.799 --> 00:21:01.160
sixty three, and it said as Spencer and George Spencer

366
00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:03.880
or whatever, and I was trying to find that and

367
00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.480
I couldn't find it anymore. We're the only ones apparently

368
00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:11.319
that have it. But I found this at Texas at

369
00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:16.079
oh God is the Texas version of the JFK letters.

370
00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.559
And when I saw it, I almost like you would say,

371
00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:21.119
fall out of your chair, but I was in the

372
00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:23.400
hospital then I almost go out of Boston all then,

373
00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:28.759
and I looked at it and I said this, I

374
00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:32.519
recognized the system one hundred percent, and I sent it

375
00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:36.400
to you. And I was also in the back of

376
00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:41.720
my head thinking that this could look like Jimmy Carter's handwriting,

377
00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.240
because the last time some of us fought something like that,

378
00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:49.640
not you, but that it was Jack's system and end writing.

379
00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:52.359
And it turned out, as I decoded it west Fall,

380
00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:55.880
it was from Jimmy Carter, and so I didn't know

381
00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:59.000
what to use at the code keys for sure, but

382
00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:02.240
I started working on it because doing things like that

383
00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:04.599
when I was hooked up the machines kept my mind

384
00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:06.440
off of a lot of things that were going on,

385
00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:11.680
and it was really good positive stuff for me. And

386
00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:15.240
I ended up finding out that for cod that it's

387
00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:19.799
not only verifying the solve that you had from nineteen

388
00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:23.559
sixty three. I mean that your document exam said that

389
00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:28.000
that was Jack's handwriting of the December nineteen sixty three

390
00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:33.640
from the Dallas and the Lancaster Postmark Dallas PD. This

391
00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.480
is saying that Jack wrote that, but that Jimmy Carter

392
00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:39.759
sent it for him, and it's where they get off

393
00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:45.079
the squad and all kinds of unbelievable things, and it's also.

394
00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:47.440
Okay, so let me, let's let's think, let's get into

395
00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:49.799
it before you try to explain it. So basically, I

396
00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:53.359
have the envelope here, and you had said in my

397
00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:57.119
unprofessional doc examiner opinion, the envelope has Jack one oh

398
00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:00.039
one and maybe decodeable. I did not find that it

399
00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.720
was Jack's handwriting, obviously, but you said I'm not sure

400
00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:06.400
Jack is in the Jack is in the gethoff A squad,

401
00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.640
so maybe more than one involved. This takes us back

402
00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:11.480
to that theory that this is more of a group

403
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.440
thing than it is just a single individual. You did

404
00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:16.839
say fai, I did find your Hit the Road Jack

405
00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.400
segment that had the Palmdale envelope. You did a show

406
00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:23.160
after this with the surprise info on the decode envelope,

407
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:26.279
and I think that it so either this envelope or

408
00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.319
are you saying that the nineteen sixty three envelope actually

409
00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:34.720
related to tippetbody traded for JFK body the Palmdale area

410
00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:38.559
where JFK was hid. Who shot him was Roselli Brading

411
00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:45.640
Bowers in schevella Savella from trade tracks, et cetera. Right,

412
00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:48.160
But it's strange that it appears only you and I

413
00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:50.839
have a copy of this twelve three sixty three envelope

414
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:54.079
slash note online and I found this online ten years ago.

415
00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:57.079
All this said, I wanted to decode that note. I did,

416
00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:59.920
and I'll send that and then the nineteen eighty eight

417
00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:03.440
Donald Zodiac communications to coded to this weekend, which you'll

418
00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:05.440
need to get those over to me because I don't

419
00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:07.480
believe I have those yet. But we're going to take

420
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:13.160
a look at this envelope. So basically, you stated all

421
00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:16.480
the information that you found on this particular envelope, correct,

422
00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:20.559
So things like Dallas Police Department police Chief Jesse Edward

423
00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.240
Curry was the police chief at the time, police Headquarters,

424
00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:27.200
municipal building. And then you allotted a number, obviously to

425
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:31.720
every single one of these particular letters in the communication,

426
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:33.960
and that was to make sure that you don't double

427
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.680
use them, right, each one gets allocated with the number, and.

428
00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:42.599
What's that Okay, just to make sure that I don't

429
00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:46.079
leave anything out. And if I have five hundred symbols,

430
00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:51.440
I better have five hundred matching. So that's why m hm.

431
00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:56.079
So basically taking all the information from that, you've assigned

432
00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:58.440
it a number. Then you've turned around and you have

433
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:02.039
created a message, and you've shown us that each one

434
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:05.519
of the letters in this particular message has been accounted

435
00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:10.400
for via your system and the use of those particular letters.

436
00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:13.160
So you came up with a solve. Do you want

437
00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:13.559
to read that?

438
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.160
Yeah, I'm going to read the tail end one, the

439
00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:19.559
last one that's kind of like a pinkish and a

440
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:23.240
whitish at the bottom book, so that this message.

441
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:27.000
But I thought, what's this one that says Washington honorable

442
00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:31.000
any New York, New York senator? Okay, so that's where

443
00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:34.200
I'm at right now. This is the envelope, correct.

444
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:36.680
Yeah, this is just the envelope. And I just am

445
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:40.839
blown away when I'm finishing this, and anyway, so.

446
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:42.559
I hit hits. We don't waste any time.

447
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:48.799
Yes, ma'am okay Washington, Honorable, New England, New York, New

448
00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:55.359
York Senator Bobby Kennedy said you missing funny missus Demaggio

449
00:25:55.920 --> 00:26:00.440
am for married one fourteen, nineteen fifty four, and that's

450
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:04.079
when she was married. And then it says President Kennedy

451
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:09.440
get Hoppa squad. Next mission is railroad train tracks operator

452
00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:14.720
Lee Bauers Junior. And he's suggesting future over tomorrow's UPI

453
00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:20.160
pretty cherry Joe Bates murder I E. Then after in

454
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:25.319
year nineteen seventy five in newspaper Whining Nut Gen for

455
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:32.559
general Manager Dog International Brotherhood, Teamsters Union, Cappuccino lover bum Hoppa,

456
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:37.519
and then he's saying one I Sat de ec December third,

457
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:42.920
nineteen sixty three, Lancaster, California. Letter and envelope printed by

458
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:46.920
an and as No Minescio, Jack Torrance. So that's his handwriting,

459
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:53.039
printing you did the verification anyways, And then it's describing

460
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:57.000
what's in there so he can verify whoever decoded this anyways?

461
00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:02.599
United States five cents postage stamp dark blue red, bluish black,

462
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:07.079
US Scott number twelve forty, Issued date November one, nineteen

463
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:09.799
sixty three, which is true that the stamp is on

464
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:14.960
their bureau Printing and Engraving Jory Press, black ink clock

465
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:21.119
received Dallas Police Maniccipal Building NIX one zero six south

466
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:26.839
hardwood micro dot t that is in the stamp anyways.

467
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:34.559
Tuberculosis Support for Tuberculosis Association, National Tuberculosis Association Across of Lorraine,

468
00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:38.799
November twenty second, sixty three. President, this is what was

469
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:45.759
in the saul President Lincoln's body. Five preforations tippethead plaster

470
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.599
casts ten and a half millimeters by ten and a

471
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:53.799
half millimeters pictures. He's trying to say what they used

472
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:58.119
as President Kennedy's pictures anyways, and then it said two

473
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:03.000
I sent one my handwriting that one version of this

474
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:09.039
nineteen sixty five Police Department, Dallas, Texas from my city Plains,

475
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:14.359
Georgia location. And he's saying he did it in secret.

476
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:19.960
No mansio him e ate military US Navy pay grade.

477
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:25.279
That's US in pay grade. James Carter, Junior of Georgia

478
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:29.440
State senator and future president nineteen seventy six.

479
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:35.440
It's his all that, Wow, that's crazy.

480
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:39.039
So it's basically indicating, I mean, this is obviously two

481
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:43.960
years after, so it's basically indicating what occurred with JFK.

482
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:47.319
But then it's talking about the upcoming murder of Sherry

483
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:52.519
Joe Bates, while stating that eventually in nineteen seventy six,

484
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.960
James Carter Junior is slated to become our next president.

485
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:01.240
Yeah, and that's what's showing up in this nineteen sixty

486
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:05.640
five and it's dated I think postmark January third, nineteen

487
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:10.559
sixty five. That is when Senator Bobby Kennedy went into

488
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.759
the Hill and started serving as a Senator.

489
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:16.680
Now, your dad, being in the Merchant Marines way back

490
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.759
in the years, had indicated to you at one point

491
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:23.319
that the presidency has already been decided upon up to

492
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.039
fifteen years in advance. I think that's something I've heard

493
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:27.200
you say several times.

494
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:31.640
Correct, So what do you do with yah?

495
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:34.000
I would argue with them often, and then I didn't

496
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.599
want to argue with them too much. But anyways, yes,

497
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:37.559
he would say that a lot.

498
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:43.160
So basically, we're looking at a twelve year difference or

499
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.440
eleven year difference between when Jimmy Carter is going to

500
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:51.200
become president and the mention of it in a nineteen

501
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:54.960
sixty five communication, and that is within the fifteen year timeframe,

502
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:56.759
and I can kind of see how that they've got

503
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.759
this going as well. I mean, especially with these last

504
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.880
few elections and the you know, Trump getting back into

505
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:06.160
office and things like that. You can see how they

506
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:10.480
set this ploy up. Very very interesting. So this is

507
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:13.160
the actual communication itself, and this is the letter that

508
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:15.680
was contained inside, and it said, dear sir, I'm writing

509
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.000
you this letter because it is true, and I am

510
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.240
going to prove it when I get out of prison.

511
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:24.359
I want to tell you this because I can prove it.

512
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:32.279
Now hold your hat. I know who go there. I know,

513
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:36.039
And yeah, he's got some interesting handwriting as well. I

514
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:40.039
know who had JFK shot. Because I was a good

515
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:48.000
friend of Harry Oswald. Jack Ruby was pay paid to

516
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:52.799
kill Kennedy by the Lyndon Johnson and Jack Ruby paid

517
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:59.880
Harry Oswald Kennedy. Jack Ruby promised to meet Harvey All's

518
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:06.480
at the theater and give him I don't know it

519
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:13.920
sounds I'm sorry, this must Yeah, it's what Jack Ruby

520
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.680
promised to pay him. So he's basically as almost if

521
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.160
he's trying to say that Jack that Oswald was to

522
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.079
be paid for actually having committed this crime.

523
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.640
But it's a lot. I started to try to solve

524
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.599
that one, and it ended up being sounding like a

525
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.960
lot of repetitive nonsense, only saying Harvey as Harvey. Also

526
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.480
Harvey Al's well, Harvey Alswald, and that's what was happening

527
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.240
on the TV. So I think it's almost as if

528
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:49.200
he's saying that the rest, this is the code on

529
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.880
the envelope is the most important, and the rest is

530
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:53.640
nonsense about Lee Harvey Alswald.

531
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:58.680
Oh, it's I kept saying Harry and Henry because you

532
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.319
can't read his writing. I'm like, what is he writing here?

533
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:04.720
My goodness, So, yes, Harvey is so killing Kennedy. Harvey

534
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:08.200
Oswald wanted me to go to the theater with him,

535
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:10.720
So he's got all kinds of things going on in

536
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.559
this letter. But you're right, it's very repetitive. He almost

537
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.880
keeps saying the same exact thing over and over again

538
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.720
instead of giving the information we're looking for. And that

539
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:21.519
takes us actually to this solve that you were saying,

540
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:26.319
which was more the pinkish color or look, and that

541
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:27.960
was that the one that you just read.

542
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.480
The one that I read was a combination of both.

543
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:36.200
But yeah, I just read that. It's one that stated

544
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:41.039
three five, and I put the two together because that's

545
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:45.079
pretty much the best completed sol. But he's trying to

546
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:51.039
get across and he's assuming again what you identified, right.

547
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:53.799
So the only thing we hadn't read out of this

548
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.440
then is section number two, right, I sent my sent

549
00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:58.599
one my handwriting.

550
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:02.559
Oh the eyes, I just read that. But yeah, but

551
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.000
that was blowing away. It's saying he's going to be

552
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:06.920
the president in nineteen seventy six.

553
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:14.200
Right, more predictory stuff basically, which we've been used to

554
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.920
seeing in this in these cases. All right, well, then

555
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:20.240
that brings us back to our next We're going to

556
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.640
go right back into some Texas murders again. Everybody, remember

557
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:26.359
Jack is currently divorced from nort at this point in time.

558
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.799
We don't really see him until a little bit later

559
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.720
where he indicates that he's even working for Hewlett Packard yet,

560
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:36.240
so again we're still waiting to see that stuff pop up.

561
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.079
But in June seventh of nineteen eighty four, thirty year

562
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:44.319
old George H. Bud Sager, Junior, West Dallas, Conrod, Texas,

563
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.559
went missing. Sager withdrew money from his bank near IH

564
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.680
forty five and Spring Cypress Road in Spring, Texas. This

565
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.400
is the last time that he was known to have

566
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.519
been seen alive. On July third of nineteen eighty four,

567
00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.119
Sager's truck was found abandoned in the parking lot of

568
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.920
the Crossroad Shop Center located the eleven hundred West Dallas Conroe.

569
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.480
Foul play was suspected at the time, and Sager was

570
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:11.039
never heard from again. So this is more a missing person.

571
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:14.480
Then we have a school that's found from a missing

572
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:18.840
person in twenty eleven. In twenty ten, MSCO cold case

573
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:22.719
detectives obtained DNA from Sager's family members for upload into

574
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:26.440
the DNA database known as COTIS. In twenty eleven, a

575
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:30.079
DNA match occurred with a school found in Walker County, Texas.

576
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.559
Investigations revealed that on December eighteenth, nineteen eighty nine, and

577
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:37.360
individual picking up aluminum cans along FM thirteen seventy five,

578
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.599
approximately nine tenths of a mile west of IH forty

579
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:43.800
five near Waverley area, discovered the school on the side

580
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.000
of the roadway. The school was found to contain a

581
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.920
shorthand written note stating that an unknown individual had found

582
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.320
the school in the woods but could not get involved.

583
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:54.679
It appeared that the author of the note had moved

584
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:57.039
the skull from the woods and placed along the shoulder

585
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:00.199
of the road where it might be discovered. This it

586
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:01.960
sounds like don't last to me.

587
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.039
You know, this is reminding me of a lot of

588
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.599
the other songs that I've done of some of these

589
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:13.000
cold cases, and I was wondering, how did they know

590
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:17.840
that that things were moved and position in such a way.

591
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:21.079
And now you're reading this and it looks like somebody's

592
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:25.719
trying to stage the crime scene. And if it's decodable,

593
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:27.760
it might find some more information.

594
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.960
But that's what Maybe they were just maybe they were

595
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.159
just growing plot in the woods, stumbled across this. It's

596
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:41.599
not legally in Texas, so they moved this school well

597
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:43.159
out of the way, because.

598
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.559
Who would they be growing the pot for? Do you know,

599
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:47.960
uppear it doesn't matter?

600
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.239
And that's just that's just a hypothetical because it states

601
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.400
that there was a note inside of it said that

602
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:57.079
the person didn't want to get involved. So if the

603
00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.920
person didn't want to get involved, there's there's a reason

604
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:01.920
why they don't want to get involved. I'm not saying

605
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.400
that they actually were growing pot. I'm just saying what

606
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.719
if and they stumbled across the skull. You're not going

607
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.239
to invite the police up to your location where you

608
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.559
can get busted. You're gonna move it to another place

609
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.880
hoping that somebody gets I guess identified. I don't know.

610
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:20.960
It'd be interesting to see that note that was inside

611
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:21.400
the skull.

612
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:26.000
Oh, I was pointed to say quickly. A lot of

613
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:30.000
people say that the CIA the marijuana that they were using,

614
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.159
even if Jack's Era was being grown in certain regions

615
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.679
here and it was being grown for the CIA to

616
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:41.199
do some weird things diplomatically to get the goods on people.

617
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:45.400
So you know, somebody like that would not want to.

618
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:48.880
Get involved, right right, there's a reason and.

619
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:50.760
My apology to the victim.

620
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:55.079
Yeah, exactly. Well, at least they were able to identify him.

621
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:57.920
But the interesting part is is that what was it

622
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.760
nineteen eighty six that don Alasis school was found?

623
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:07.559
No, they say it was nineteen eighty six, and that's

624
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.320
what seventy decades to get it identified.

625
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:15.440
But that's what I've all I asked, was nineteen eighty six,

626
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.199
And yes, nineteen eighty six was when her school was found,

627
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.400
but she went missing in nineteen seventy one. He goes

628
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.000
missing in nineteen eighty four, and his school is found

629
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:30.840
in nineteen eighty nine, but again by the freeway, which

630
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.039
is pretty much, you know, a central location or a

631
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.679
location near where Donald Lass's school was found as well.

632
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:42.480
But hers was actually found in the woods June tenth

633
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:46.960
of nineteen eighty four approximately. Katrina DaCosta in Stockholm, Sweden.

634
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.679
I'm not sure this is back from two thousand and nine.

635
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.519
I just threw in every single unsolved murder I can find,

636
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:54.880
but we'll talk about it anyways in case it brings

637
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.760
things back up for people to reminisce or research. It

638
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.920
says remains the Swedish prostitutetri to DaCosta on nineteenth of

639
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.960
June nineteen fifty four to nineteen eighty four were found

640
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.920
in Solna, north of Stockholm. In the late summer of

641
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:12.199
nineteen eighty four. DaCosta had been dismembered, Andy and parts

642
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.920
of her body in plastic bags were found one kilometer

643
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:18.800
apart on eighteenth of July and the eighth of August.

644
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:23.880
The case is known as strict more destruck. Oh yeah,

645
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.760
I'm not trying that, guys. It actually means the dismemberment,

646
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:31.599
murdered trial how to costa diet has not been established

647
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.639
since vital organs, one breast, genitalia and her head have

648
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:42.039
not even been found. Wow, extremely interesting, extremely brutal. It

649
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.000
did say, I did want to. I think I was

650
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:46.679
looking at this to research the found heads because the

651
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.840
SLA Manifesto, which we know that the Zodiac wrote a

652
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.559
letter in regards to SLA, is found in Sweden. And

653
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.400
that was an interesting take or cross connection there that

654
00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:03.239
the manifesto for the Symbionese lip Simeonese Liberation Army was

655
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:06.760
actually located in Sweden. So I wanted to also check

656
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.880
for other Sweden murders just to see if there could

657
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:12.719
be some type of a cross connection between it. June

658
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:17.280
twenty first of nineteen eighty four Christine and Bood Riverbrook Drive,

659
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.039
Forest Hill, subdivision of Conrod, Texas. So we're starting to

660
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:24.840
see a theme right now, this conroa thing is a

661
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.880
lot of these unsolved murders that are occurring. And it

662
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:29.880
says she was last seen in the parking lot of

663
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:35.679
the Inverness apartment complex located at four oh three Longmere Road, Conroad, Texas,

664
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:40.199
at approximately two am same date. An MCSO deputy was

665
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:43.039
flagged down on I forty five at FM fourteen eighty

666
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:44.920
eight and alerted to what was thought to be a

667
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:48.119
body in the roadway. The deputy responded and found the

668
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:51.679
dead body of Bud lying in the roadway. The subsequent

669
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.719
investigation and subsequent autopsy revealed that she had died from

670
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:58.840
being struck by a vehicle. Evidence of the scene indicated

671
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.159
that the striking vehicle turned around and reapproached Bud's brought

672
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.960
body prior to fleeing the scene. And this was Conroe

673
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.639
Porter in Springer, All pretty much within thirty to forty

674
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:12.639
minutes from Humble, Texas, which we will see. Well, we

675
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.920
did with the two thousand five finale letter the Humble

676
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:20.360
Texas reference, so there could be some cross connections here

677
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:24.039
as well. But if the last place she was seen

678
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:26.360
alive was in her parking lot, now she's being run

679
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:28.800
over on the freeway, I mean, did they take her

680
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:30.719
there and let her out of the car and then

681
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.639
just proceed to mow her down? And then who is

682
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.559
silly enough after hitting somebody to back up, turn around

683
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.000
and go check them out where to the degree that

684
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:41.760
they would be seen by somebody. You don't have anything

685
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.119
on Christine bood though, do you no.

686
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:49.880
But that's very familiar territory what I've done many many

687
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:54.360
But so I'm just wondering, is that also Robbert Abel,

688
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:59.000
because that's the stuff he would do. It's God, but

689
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:01.360
he got he got his you know.

690
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:05.719
Yeah, I still get confused because the finale letter said

691
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:10.880
that that Abel was not the devil that Blue City

692
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:14.000
or League City Blue Fuzz was looking for in a sense.

693
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:21.039
And why would a serial killer take credit for a

694
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:27.719
multitude of different unsolved killing sprees and given out to

695
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.559
somebody like Abel, especially if he was a killer, a

696
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:35.239
serial killer no less, why would they take away that?

697
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:39.280
And I want to say that Pat serial one of

698
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.079
the profilers, probably for the FBI or something like that,

699
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:48.480
was really interested in Able as a potential for being

700
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:52.079
the suspect. But here we have this taunting letter, which

701
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.559
we know is Zodiac one oh one, stating that he's

702
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:56.840
not the person you're looking for. So I get a

703
00:41:56.880 --> 00:42:03.639
little confused on that. The Lige twenty night, I'm sorry.

704
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.320
If I remember right, Pat Syria was doing the BTK

705
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:10.199
cases at the time and thinking that they were leaks.

706
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:14.119
And that's also Jack is just you know, trying to

707
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.960
point out that you know, your profile system is squawed,

708
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:26.280
and and who was in jail at the time over

709
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:31.320
thinking BTKE Dennis Raider BTK Dennis Raider was a Zodiac.

710
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:37.400
That was Tom Boyd. He got arrested for some things

711
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:42.199
that was also Yeah, tom boy got he was trying

712
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.320
he was in that region trying to help prove that

713
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:50.400
bt K was Zodiac, and Pat Cerria was doing the

714
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:56.519
the links between the possibilities so that Dennis never Dennis

715
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:58.920
and a lot of us on the message boards later

716
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:03.199
on never let tom Voight forget about that one.

717
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:09.760
So Tom Boyd got himself arrested while trying to insinuate

718
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:14.639
that the BTK bomber was the Zodiac, that the bt.

719
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:18.079
K killer was the Zodiac, that Dennis Raider was actually

720
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:21.400
probably the most likely suspect, and he got in trouble

721
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:22.360
and he got arrested.

722
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:32.480
Then what does that acronym stand for again, bind, torture, kill, Yeah, gotcha,

723
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:36.119
and so and then you know he was thinking, Okay,

724
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:36.800
I got the right.

725
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:41.440
He was trying to push a Zodiac suspect, So, yeah,

726
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:44.920
he got in trouble. So I think Jack is also

727
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:48.079
trying to point out many ways that your system is flawed,

728
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:52.360
including this guy who's saying that you know that all

729
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:56.320
these guys are linked in as one, and.

730
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:58.760
We hadn't really seen a lot of buying torture kill

731
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.039
in the acts of the Zodiac Killer, unless you go

732
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.840
all the way back to say Black Dahlia era, you know.

733
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.159
I mean, she clearly looked like she had been tortured

734
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:11.719
based on all of the damage to her face and

735
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:13.840
her mouth being cut and all of those things. But

736
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.800
as you got into the Zodiac stuff, you didn't really

737
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:20.800
see torture so much as a tactic as much as

738
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:28.280
you saw just blunt force trauma, strangulation and shootings and stabbings.

739
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.719
So I'm not sure why he would think that buying

740
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.840
torture kill would be up the alley of the Zodiac Killer,

741
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.480
especially if he didn't believe that he was involved with

742
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:42.199
the Black Dolia stuff. Now, if you believe that he

743
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.159
was in part of the Black Dolia stuff, then I

744
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:48.079
could see, yes, you putting those two together, But I

745
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:51.239
don't know what his take is on Black Dahlia. Anyways.

746
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:53.639
We have another murder in Florence in Italy of a

747
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:57.719
couple on twenty ninth of July nineteen eighty four, law

748
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:03.239
student Claudio Stefanacci and bar made Pia Gilda Rontini, eighteen,

749
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:09.280
were shot and stabbed in Stephanie stephan Nazi's Fiat Panda

750
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.280
parked in a wood wood I can't even speak now,

751
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:16.159
there's so many different versions of language here. Parked in

752
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:20.760
a woodland area near Viccio. The killer removed Rattini's public

753
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.760
area and left breast pubic area, sorry, and left breast.

754
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:27.280
So now we have this is This might be why

755
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.000
I put that last one boot in there, because we're

756
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:33.960
seeing the missing breast and the pubic area. This stuff

757
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.000
is kind of really reminiscent of black Do Yeah, says.

758
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.199
There were reports of a strange man who had been

759
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:42.760
following the couple in an ice cream parlor some hours

760
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.280
before the murder. A close friend of Rontini called that

761
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.440
she had confided that she had been bothered by an

762
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:54.599
unpleasant man while working at the bar. That's a very

763
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.320
interesting take, but yeah, I mean removing the pubic area

764
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.159
and the left breast we had. I don't remember which

765
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.880
breast was damaged on black edah. Yeah, but we did

766
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:08.119
see them manipulate the pubic area and the breast.

767
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.079
Hmm. Going on here?

768
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.840
All right, Well that brings us to Laura Miller, and

769
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:20.280
we've only got about four minutes, so I'm not sure

770
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:22.119
if we want to hop into this right now or

771
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:24.400
discuss some of the things that we've been talking about

772
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:24.880
thus far.

773
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:29.840
What do you think, Harriet, Yeah, let's just talk about

774
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.559
well thus far, because there's a lot going on in there,

775
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.920
and it looks like it may You had one of

776
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:47.400
the victims from from Stockholm, Sweden and the SLA all

777
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:51.039
that a lot of people were thinking and I was

778
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:54.719
one of them that the SLA was where you find

779
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:59.559
James Kilgour, You're going to find the real zodiac and

780
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.800
h and I'm seeing that zodiac is of course just

781
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:09.480
intel community things and you know, the missing body parts

782
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:15.960
goes way back and it's disgusting, but it may or

783
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:20.519
may not always be code. You know, the things that

784
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:25.440
I'm seeing from the nineteenth century, but also involving Stockholm, Sweden.

785
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:31.079
That's because you were saying that the UPI and API

786
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:36.760
releases would indicate kind of the forensic information on location,

787
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:39.960
placement of the body, things that were done, what they

788
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.239
were wearing, and use that type of information to actually

789
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:45.519
decode a solve. Correct.

790
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.360
Yeah, And I was wondering, how could that be at

791
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.519
two o'clock in the morning that they knew in the

792
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.079
middle of nowhere, let's say Texas or even California, that

793
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:57.679
the body was moved, And how would they know it

794
00:47:57.760 --> 00:47:59.960
was moved twenty two feet to the north and accept

795
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.679
you know how? And this is where Robert Abel and

796
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:07.559
his people come in. They were able to take pictures,

797
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:11.000
and we're seeing it that they were taking pictures from

798
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:13.639
way above. If they were following these drug dealers and

799
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.800
anybody connected, even if they killed somebody, they were able

800
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:21.440
to see and watch them because there were pictures constantly

801
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:25.679
being taken then by our satellites. So then it made

802
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:28.800
sense to me Ali knew and Jack said that they

803
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.559
killed on a full moon. You were able to see

804
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.719
in the middle of nowhere, Texas. If you've ever been

805
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:36.719
to Texas and they went there as a kid a

806
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.280
couple of times, in the middle of nowhere and a

807
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:41.159
full moon, it was almost like daylight.

808
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:44.920
So right, he talks about that in one of his letters,

809
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:46.480
is the Zodiac.

810
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.800
Being able to That made sense that they were able

811
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:54.239
to see from the way up above and click, click,

812
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:57.679
click the pictures and then they would go back and see, well,

813
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:00.400
the victim was dragged twenty two feet to the north

814
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:02.840
and it was two o'clock in the morning or to

815
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:03.960
a forty in the morning.

816
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:09.920
And simple, simple forensics also gives you you know where

817
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:12.679
a person was killed versus where a body was dumped

818
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:15.639
simply by the lack of blood. We're down to our

819
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:17.800
last thirty seconds at this point. I think that was

820
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:21.159
a very interesting take. Thank you, Harriet. I want to

821
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.519
wish everybody a wonderful weekend and we will be back

822
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:26.519
next Friday. See you.

823
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:26.760
Then.

824
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.400
Thank you Harriet for being here today, and I think

825
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:32.400
I'll be on visually.

826
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:33.920
Okay, see you.

827
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:36.440
That'll be awesome. We'll see you then. Take care.