Aug. 29, 2025

Graphology and Adam Walsh Communications

Graphology and Adam Walsh Communications
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This segment begins with a very interesting profile by a graphologist on the Pizza Bomber case. We will see how well graphology can predict the human behavior of a suspect. Connected communications to John Walsh in regards to his son’s death makes some very interesting claims. Found in the FBI FOIA files on Adam Walsh’s murder, and presented by Lindsay MacBrayer.

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Good Morning, true seekers and truth kind junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I think I'm losing my words this morning. That was

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true crime Jonkies. Anyways, I'd like to welcome Nolan to

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the show. Good and hopefully we will have Lindsay McBrayer

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here with us because we will be discussing some of

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the letters that she has found in the John Walsh

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case that she thinks or the Adam Walsh case, should

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I say that she thinks are extremely interesting. I did

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get a chance this last week to decipher them. They're

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very hard to read. They're very muddied old copies. They

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look like they've been scanned in at a very low resolution.

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So of course the words tend to kind of or

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the letters of a word tend to blend together, but

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I was able to make out I would say about

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ninety eight percent of one of them and one hundred

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percent of the other, so that we can clearly read

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those today in the presentation. We talked last week in

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regards to a five star review that was placed on

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the talkfor tv dot com site where this plays live

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every Friday at ten am, and I wasn't sure who

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this individual was. I didn't have a lot of information

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on it, but Dean did get back to me and

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he let me know that the individual's name was James Kerr.

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I did try to look up James Kerr. It looks

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like there's a couple different options for him, but both

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of them look like they're either writers speakers. One of

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them was a writer for either a online newspaper type

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scenario or something like that. But I couldn't really zero

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in obviously without having more information than just his name.

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But the review that he did put up was I

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have been startled and impressed by Jack as a Zodiac

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Killer suspect since two thousand and eight, when I first

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read about him after watching the two thousand and five

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and two thousand and seven movies about Zodiac please help

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solve if he's the guy, if he's Zodiac, don't give

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up on getting FBI or police to do DNA tests

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or figure out how to at least investigate Jack more

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so he can be positively identified or ruled out. I

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interviewed Robert Farr, and it's either far or forres and

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I couldn't find anything on him either.

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Make it.

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Oh, I did not do that here. Let me do

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that real quick.

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Ah.

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I saved something to it earlier this morning, which means

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I kicked it out of full screen view. Let's go

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back my high present review.

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There we go. Thank you.

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On. So, he interviewed somebody, either Robert Farr or Robert Faris,

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and wrote an article online destined for Zodiac websites. I

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didn't think Alan was the Zodiac. I'm not exactly sure

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what his article was or what he wrote for these

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online Zodiac forums. I don't even know if his article

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made the Zodiac forums. So it would be really interesting

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to have him reach out to me to let me

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know what it is that he himself has written in

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regards to it. I think we all completely understand at

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this point. At a minimum, Arthur Lee Allen is not

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a good Zodiac suspect right and no.

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One correct, although he did know Jack.

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You know, there is that information which was very interesting.

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Dennis had indicated that Jack told him that when he

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saw Arthur Lee Allen on TV on the news as

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one of the suspects, that that was the nice man

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who gave him a ride home from Lake Barry Essa. So, yes,

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there does seem to be some inclination that Jack was

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familiar with or knew who Arthur Lee Allen was. And

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I wonder sometimes that affiliation, if that wasn't exactly what

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pressed people in that direction, because I'm not really sure

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who tipped the police off to the possibility of Arthur

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Lee Allen either and how he became on their radar.

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I think it was his brother or his sister in law.

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Really, yes, yes, so the ones that they recently did

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the docuseries with.

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No that was a different family.

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I think that was his friends that lived in southern California,

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in central California. But quick question referred in two thousand

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and five and two thousand and seven movies, I didn't

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know that was a second film.

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The two thousand and seven I recognize being the Jake

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Gillenhall version of her Allen. The two thousand and five

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I think is the one that he was reaching out

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to Tom Voight in regards to he wanted his story

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told the right way. He felt it would be a

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better movie for people to see if they understood the

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real reasoning behind it. And of course that was all

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pretty much brushed underneath the carpet by Tom Voight.

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Either way of the two thousand and five movie.

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I don't know, you know, I didn't really get involved

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with the Zodiac stuff until two thousand and nine. I

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watched the two thousand and seven simply because there was

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nothing left on Blockbuster's shelf. Remember when we had the

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good old Blockbuster. Yeah, you could go down to and

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rent the DVDs and stuff. I had literally been, i guess,

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just binging movies at that point and had gotten down

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to the fact that there wasn't really anything on the

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shelves that I was interested in. But I still needed

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some movies to watch, so I picked this particular two

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thousand and seven version up. At the end of it,

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I felt very let down. I'm not a very good

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person with movies that don't have an ending.

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I think it's a well made movie, and as far

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as the actions of the Zodiac, I think it's pretty

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accurate in the different killings. But yeah, the conclusion basically

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that Arthur Lee Allen or they lead you to believe

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it's Arthur Lee Allen, is inaccurate.

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Well, And I always find it interesting how they were

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able to even portray what people believe to be accuracy

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in the killings since nobody was there nobody, you know

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what I'm saying. Yes, we had a couple witnesses that survived,

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but they were in panic mode from the time it ensued,

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right from the second that it started. They were literally

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probably in shock of what was going on. So to

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recall anything or to you know, set up a precedence

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for how the murder went down, or to try and

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portray it in the correct way may exactly be why

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the Zodiac is trying to reach out to people to

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say you've got it all wrong. Perhaps I want you,

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I want you to tell my story.

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The movie goes a lot off of a graceless book too.

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As far as health stuff went down, I think a

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lot of its accurate. Uh, like the pen flashlight taped

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to the gun and things like that. Yes, and then

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they had the eyewitness at very us that survived Partnell

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and so he you know, he basically said that he

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saw a guy out there, you know, in the distance,

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kind of looking kind of weird and odd, and and

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then you know, he described the hood and described the

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rope and things like that, the.

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N of the gun.

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I mean, some of it, it's pretty accurate some of it,

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but other words is got to be part speculation.

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Yes, I think I really hold true too. Thought is

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the statement that Hartnell made about the belly of the

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Zodiac Killer overhanging his pants so that he was a

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more robust person. That's something that I kind of feel

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like you are going to have correct. That's not like

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remembering whether or not he had blue or brown eyes,

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was wearing a navy blue or black shirt, right, That's

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something that's distinguishable about somebody. So whenever I see these

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new young suspects that come into play, who are fit

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and who are slim, and you know, they're trying to

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act like like this last guy that brought this new

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suspect forward is trying to claim that his dad was

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the Zodiac when you can look or his stepdad, when

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you can look at the stepdad and see he doesn't

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have an ounce of weight on him. So it goes

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back to many of these suspects during that time frame that.

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Were really fit.

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That does not fit that description that Heartnell gave. And

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we also he talked about a lumber with the way

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he walked, there were things that these other individuals are

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just I think people are willing to gate these pieces

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of evidence to in order to fit their person into

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the mold.

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Yeah, when I asked him to send differ, he said,

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I guesst a couple of pictures. Has he sent anything else?

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He no. Just short of those emails, it was as

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if he wanted me to give him a phone call.

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But after you had had the phone call with him

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and to kind of describe the way he was all

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over the place, I'm really not in the mood for that.

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I want you to focus in on what it is

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that that evidence that you have that supports I don't

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want to hear about this crime scene, this crime scene,

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this crime s. Want to hear about what makes your

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person the person of interest? And I couldn't clearly get

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that out of him, And eventually he sent me a

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final email saying it was going to be his final

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email that he's given me more than enough, and I'm

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and I'm thinking, you haven't given me enough.

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You've really again? Yeah, no, yeah, you've given me a

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b too.

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Gy killer. He knew a lot more about that.

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Than Zovie, right, So I think again he's trying to

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form fit and maybe his father was a killer.

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I don't know.

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Maybe his father did work for the CIA. Again, I

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don't know. But I asked him for handwriting, and that's

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usually where I draw my line at. If you're willing

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to send me handwriting, then we can discuss it. But

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he wanted to. He's one of those individuals that wanted

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to slough off the fact that handwriting would solve this case,

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which I think is bs. It's a fingerprint, it's DNA.

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That's why give.

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An example and give a shot at it.

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It can't hurt, no, And that was disregarded, and I

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told him at one point that it couldn't. If he

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couldn't be honest and be straightforward with me in regards

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to what he's talking about, then I was going to

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tell him not to retain you, because there's no reason

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for us to be hush hushed. The whole purpose of

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us doing this is to out everything out all of

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the information in the truth and to be oh, hush hush,

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they're investigating it. If it's real, then you're gonna want

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everybody to know, not this five second blurb on the

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news that oh, the Zodiac's been solved again, and then

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three weeks later, the you know, FBI come back and go,

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that's not the guy. But nobody ever hears about that one.

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It takes me to find that.

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Fifty dollars to invoke confidentially.

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Yeah no, yeah, no, crazy dude.

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Well that's about the way I was going with it,

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and I didn't want to say that out loud, so

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I'm glad you did. Anyways, So last week we know

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that I sat in on a PowerPoint where in a

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presentation or a conference with a graphology group, in which

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case one of the presenters was doing a profile on

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the pizza bomber and on the anthrax letters. And of

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course I didn't realize until after I had already booked

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the conference that this was something that was going to happen.

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So of course, once I realized that she would be

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discussing the profile of the anthrax killer, I was absolutely enamored.

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I knew that I needed to be on this presentation

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and everything happens for a reason. I don't often attend

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these conferences because my science is forensics, not necessarily the graphology,

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even though I'm doing my bit to learn and follow

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that as much as possible. The one that she started

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with was the Pizza Bomber, and I'm going to share

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that one with you today because I've subsequently spoken with

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her and she is going to come on the show

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and give her profile for the Anthrax and for the Zodiac,

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and then I'm supposed to send her some handwriting from

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Jack so that she can also profile Jack and have

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that prepared for us as well. Awesome, right, I just

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wanted to give you kind of a little bit of

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a taste of the power that graphology has. And keep

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in mind that the letters that she did the profile

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off of on the Pizza Bomber, And for those that

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are not familiar with the Pizza Bomber, I have put

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up the player's names over here. William Rosstein, Marjorie Dial Armstrong,

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Floyd Stockton, Kenneth Barnes, and of course Brian Wells, who

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was the actual He was a pizza delivery man who

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attempted to rob a bank with a bomb, call around

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his neck that subsequently blew up and of course killing him. Meanwhile,

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he was under the impression that it was just a

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fake bomb, but at some point he began panicking and

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rationalizing that he hears these timers that are about to

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go off, and they used kitchen timers for gosh sakes,

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they're only sixty minutes long. Yeah, he knew exactly how

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long he probably had to accomplish this. Now, after he

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was dead and they found his vehicle, they found a

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nine page letter in the rear of his vehicle that

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described a scavenger hunt that he was supposed to go

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on after having robbed the bank, and eventually, once he

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makes it to the final phase of the scavenger hunt,

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he will find the keys in order to release himself

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from this bomb around his neck. But as we saw

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on the media, yeah, as we saw on the media,

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he didn't have but minutes. So by the time he

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had left out of the bank and made it to

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the street, the cops were there. He was detained basically,

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but at a distance. The police officers did not want

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to get too close, knowing that he had claimed that

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he had a bomb around his neck, and subsequently that

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bomb went off within minutes of them apprehending him and

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detaining him. So this letter here is one of nine pages,

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and it again was found in the back of his vehicle.

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It was found not to be his handwriting. So of

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course we know that there are more than one suspect

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involved with this entire bombing escapade.

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The mbire what's that?

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Where did it happen?

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Oh you know what?

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Erie, Pennsylvania. Oh okay, I don't let oh you know what.

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I've got to go back to sharing. Oh man, So

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I put up my full stop sharing. I put up

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my full presentation, but failed to actually share that with everybody.

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So let me share the full presentation so you guys

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can actually see the letter. Share there it is all right.

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So this letter very much looks like somebody controlled their

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handwriting to the degree that they attempted to print like

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a typewriter. So it was very much disguised, as one

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would say, because nobody clearly writes exactly like a typewriter types.

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But this was fairly close.

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In all aspects, and for that reason, the FBI said

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nothing could be determined from this particular handwriting because they

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attempted to write like a typewriter and albeit I would

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say that there are Yeah, it's gonna be a little tougher,

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but there should be some taelltale signs in here in

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regards to handwriting that would match or give us an

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authorship identity in the profiling range. The FBI was under

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the impression nothing could be profiled from this because the

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way the author wrote. So the gal that I sat

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in on the presentation with last week, she minds you,

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is one of the few graphologists and forensic examiners that

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has completed the Secret Service education in in profiling and

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in graphology and forensic document examination. She is a consultant

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for the FBI and in a police department back East,

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and she took a look at these notes and her

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first impression when she saw them was it looks like

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a it looks like a instruction manual from a board game,

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which I kind of agree with her. We have a

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whole lot of underlining, we've got sectioned off boxes, we've

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got you know, a's, b's ones, twos threes, we've got

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some very interesting attributes to this letter, which definitely screams

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instructions for something. So she went ahead and she gave

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her profile on this and she said that he is

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a hoarder, he's intelligent, he's frugal yet had money. He's

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mechanically inclined, he has an explosive personality, mental health issues,

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he likes puzzles and games, and he's not a good

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liar and would confess if confronted. This This profile was

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actually given on The Pizza Bomber, I think she said

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approximately three years before they stumbled across William Rostein. So

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we all know if you've watch if you've seen the

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Pizza Bomber docuseries on Netflix, you will find that William

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Rostein is literally all eight of these attributes. What I

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really thought was interesting is when she said he's not

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a good liar and he would confess. And the reason

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for that is because he literally was confessing to a

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dead body in his freezer. That's how it kicked off

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the whole entire investigation into him and the Brian Wells

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pizza bombing case. So basically, when the detectives got to

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his house to find this body in the freezer, one

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of the first things that mister Rostein said was, you know,

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despite the fact I have this dead body in my freezer,

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you have to know this has nothing to do with

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Brian Wells out of the blue for no apparent reason.

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It's what I like to refer to as the overdisclosure.

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You're making statements in regards to something that has no impact.

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Nobody asked you, nobody brought this up. You just willingly

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gave this information up front without being asked for it, right,

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So exactly, yeah, yeah, one percent. I look at this

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all the time in many of the cases that I'm

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dealing with where you know the individual especially when they're

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my clients who are lying to me and they want

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to make an overdisclosure or help me out in my

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area of expertise. You start telling me why you think

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something is what it is. It's because you want me

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to believe that I don't need you to tell me

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how to do my job. Let me do my job.

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I will come and tell you what I find. But

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there's still kind of a series of individuals, including this last.

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I have a case right now where the Gallas disputed

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my fees after hiring me after I completed my work,

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gave her my work, and I always submit my work

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to my already ahead of time and ask them to

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set up a time to discuss my findings. So they

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have my PowerPoint presentation, they have my findings. Basically to

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a certain degree, she was able to look and see

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that I did not come to the conclusion that she wanted.

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So instead of setting up a time to discuss this

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with me, because she already knew she wrote this stuff,

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she went and filed a dispute against me. And I'm

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still in the midst of fighting this and it started

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back in July, the end of July, before I left

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to Alaska.

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But her, yeah, her overdisclosure.

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Is is you know, I want you to sign a

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non disclosure and when somebody asked me to do that.

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This is quite like this gentleman that reached out to

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us and wants you to have client privilege for him

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if he pays you fifty bucks so that you don't

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tell anybody anything. And I'm thinking to myself that in

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itself is an overdisclosure, because if you're trying to prove

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that somebody committed fraud, you want everybody to know.

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You don't hold that in, you don't high it.

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Wells guy could not have been too bright just looking

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at that one sheet of nine that he had to

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know the bomb's gonna go off way before he's gonna

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get it off.

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His neck and well, let someone put do that through them.

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Well, and that's what I think is interesting.

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And you know they also had he also.

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Has the calculus E in here that she talked about

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in the anthrax letters. That's very interesting.

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I just saw it.

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Anyways, I got sidetracked by handwriting.

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Yes.

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I think that they clearly indicated that he was a

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very low level smart person, that he was kind of global.

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I mean, he's a pizza delivery driver in his late

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forties or fifties, so yeah, he's very very low level smart.

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Just to make it nice, And they're back and forth

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as to whether or not he really was involved with

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this entire plan or whether whether or not he was

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kidnapped attacked, and you know, they ordered pizza which got

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him to the property. Now, was he a part of it?

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Did he know about it? And there's been some evidence

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that's come forward that indicates that yes, he was aware

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of what was going on, but that he also thought

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it was a fake bomb, not a real bomb anyways,

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So if you yeah.

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They told him it was a fake bomb, so he figured, okay,

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no big deal, and then his head blow, right.

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And most of his family wants to state that no,

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he wasn't a part of it, And I got that.

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Nobody wants to believe that their loved ones would do

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something as silly as this. And the whole purpose for

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this robbery was to steal this money to pay a

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hired gun to kill Margery Deil Armstrong's father so she

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could collect as an ieritance. And this woman, she's as

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loony as the day is long. She's already killed boyfriends

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and now she's killed another boyfriend that she gets. She

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talks an old boyfriend, Rostein, into hiding in his freezer

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at his house.

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I don't even know what's going on with these people.

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I can't even pretend to under stand another way. Right, So, this,

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this individual clearly had the capability to do all of

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the designing of the bomb. So evidently the bomb was

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designed at Rostein's house. He put the entire thing together.

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Marjorie deal Armstrong admits to giving the timers the two

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kitchen timers to place inside of the bomb, and of

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course we now have them arguing, well, Rostein died before

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he could even be arrested and convicted. Marjorie deal Armstrong

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basically went up river for it. I believe Floyd stocked

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and had been found culpable of some of it and

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has also been convicted and is doing some time. And

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Kenneth Barnes, I don't know to what degree he ended

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up in the middle of it, but he was the

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hired gun hired that was going to be hired to

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kill Armstrong's father and all of that.

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Failed either way.

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I just thought that in the end, when she completed

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this profile of this individual, and she didn't really know

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a lot of the facts behind the case. So as

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I sat and listened, I knew more about the facts

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of the case than she did, and all she knew

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was is eventually, three or so years later, when they

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actually stumbled across Rostein, he was a complete match to

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all of these items in that profile. Now she has

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indicated though that there could be several people who match

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these profiles. So while she gave this profile this is

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what we're looking for based on the handwriting, wouldn't necessarily

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allow us to convict an individual of a crime simply

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because they carried these attributes with these characteristics, because we

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don't know that they'd act upon it. Whereas after they've acted,

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after they've done the bad deed based on the handwriting

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and what she profiles will match the person that they're

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looking for, and that is in fact what happened in

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this particular case.

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So when she.

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Gives a profile, as she's indicated, she did a profile

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on another individual that was brought to her by a

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female and I'm not really cool. I think I know

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who she's talking about. I'm not exactly or she said

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that the individual has the similar profile to the Zodiac

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and therefore they submitted this man's DNA to the FBI,

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but she indicates that they have not heard anything back.

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Once again, resonating is the fact that she said more

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than one person can match these profiles. So while this

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individual may have been a killer, doesn't necessarily mean that

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he was the Zodiac. And when we started discussing age

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and timeframe, she rationalized that the individual that she had

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just turned over to the FBI would have only been

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in his twenties during the Zodiac stuff. And I said

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that's too young. Yeah, too young, because when we back

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that up another three or so years to share a

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Joe Bates, it makes him even younger.

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You know, we're eighteen nineteen somewhere around there.

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So I think that maybe even then, and she said,

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I'm an open book and I will keep that door

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open because just because we said, yes, these characteristics are

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consistent with the Zodiac profile doesn't necessarily make him the Zodiac.

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So we're going to be doing all of this in

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hopes to show that jack A is a good profile match.

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As we've all indicated, he has every capability that we're

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looking for to be the Zodiac. He has every opportunity,

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he has every proximity, and he has every bit of

468
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.079
training that is necessary. And now we'll see how it

469
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:17.119
fares out and what she thinks. By the time we're

470
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:22.880
done with that, I'm just overly excited. H Now, I

471
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:25.680
still haven't seen let me see, maybe I got a

472
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:26.519
text from her.

473
00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:28.000
I have not.

474
00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.160
I asked her if she's on today, and quite frankly,

475
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:34.640
she was texting me yesterday telling me she was working

476
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:40.599
out getting Megan Walsh to come on our episodes next

477
00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:43.839
week possibly. But and now I guess I'm left to

478
00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:46.359
go over and not understanding the information she sent me

479
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:47.839
because she is not here.

480
00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:50.799
During and give her a little more time.

481
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.799
Well, no, this entire week was predicated on the information

482
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.160
that she gave me from the Walsh files because we're

483
00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:58.039
following up that.

484
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:06.000
Man, Hi, there's nothing more.

485
00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:10.519
May he were a little recapt synopsis on the wall situation?

486
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.720
He was it was his son Adam that was killed,

487
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:16.839
right and correct. It was in Florida that had happened

488
00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:19.400
from a shopping center or some kidnap duck there or something.

489
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:23.279
Yes, absolutely, And there's a couple of stories. And one

490
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.240
of the more recent docuseries I just watched, they had

491
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.359
indicated that, oh gosh, I'm going to lose her name,

492
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:34.599
Missus Walsh, John Walsh's wife, Revet I think her name is,

493
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:39.319
had indicated that he he had gone missing in sears

494
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:42.519
with her, whereas every bit of information up to that

495
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:48.200
point had indicated she dropped him at a arcad arcade,

496
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:50.880
yeah video arcade, and then proceeded to go to her

497
00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:53.400
shopping and then he had purportedly been kicked out with

498
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.680
a bunch of other kids from the arcade, forced to

499
00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:58.000
go outside.

500
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:01.480
Of the mall and basically was a from there. So

501
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:06.519
he was not yet.

502
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:09.400
No, No, I think he was right. He was too

503
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:11.880
young to be thrown in an arcade full of you know.

504
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:13.079
Old kids.

505
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:16.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, at least in my mind, I mean,

506
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:21.039
I know that's the mom. I know nineteen eighty one

507
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:23.920
is a different era, right, we're not talking about today

508
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:30.200
as we rationalize what that's why. Ah, and we and

509
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:32.799
we came home when the light street lights came on, right,

510
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.440
I mean we were off running a mock doing whatever,

511
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:37.440
and our parents had no clue where we were and

512
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.160
what we were doing. Uh. And when we got home,

513
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:41.920
we got home, but we better be home for dinner

514
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.000
and we better be flown before it's dark. That was

515
00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:49.279
really kind of our limitations.

516
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.279
To the malls and arcades on our own without even

517
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.440
our parents.

518
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:52.039
Right exactly.

519
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:54.200
Well, and back in the day when somebody could actually

520
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:54.799
maneuver the.

521
00:27:54.720 --> 00:28:01.240
Bus system, we had the whole town. Yeah, the town.

522
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:09.599
We went all right, right, my hotel, well, I'm for

523
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:12.559
and the whole town is all of five miles wide,

524
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:17.119
so that bussing system was super easy to get down. Uh.

525
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:18.599
Napa Oh now.

526
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.599
Okay, wow, so you're real close to.

527
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:27.680
Yes, yes, I was very close.

528
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.359
And that's what makes this also surreal, Like especially knowing

529
00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:32.839
that the Zodiac made that phone call from First Street

530
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:36.240
in Napa, because that's where I'm originally from, That's where

531
00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:38.359
I grew up. That's where I was raised.

532
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:38.960
Uh.

533
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.720
Lake very Essa was a place that I frequented consistently

534
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.519
with my uncle. And it turns out that but I

535
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:49.079
wasn't actually born until nineteen seventy three, so four years

536
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:52.119
after the fact, I wasn't really aware of the Zodiac,

537
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.880
and I was a little too young for all of

538
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:57.000
the hubbub about you know, killing children off of a

539
00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:59.200
bus and all of these other things that were going on.

540
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:01.400
And that's that's what made the two thousand.

541
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:03.839
And seven movies so unique to me, is because while

542
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:06.000
I'm watching it, I didn't relate it to a real

543
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.960
true story, and I thought to myself, at the end

544
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:11.400
of it, these people were stupid. I would have solved this.

545
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:17.160
I would have figured out, Oh, that's just my naivete, right.

546
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:22.119
My first were Zodiac when at the.

547
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:27.880
Timesh felt and my using stayed with some cousins in

548
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:32.160
San Jose and they had a younger sister and they

549
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.279
were all afraid of the Zodiac.

550
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:35.759
That's how I first found out about it.

551
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:38.880
They were especially afraid for their sister because you know,

552
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:41.599
most of the time the women were young women were

553
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.240
getting killed. And what year was that, That was probably

554
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:46.839
sixty nine.

555
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:50.440
Oh, Okay, so in the heart of it, yeah, yeah, no, no,

556
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:52.759
it was still going on at that time.

557
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:57.440
Yeah, and we were not far from the Bay area, and.

558
00:29:57.440 --> 00:29:59.559
I was just going to say, by seventy seventy one,

559
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.039
he'd actually entered our area. So while they're still scared

560
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.079
the Bay Area, he's actually, you know, here in our

561
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:09.279
area and the Sacramento, the South Lake Tao area, the

562
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:12.200
you know, more in our proximity at that point in time.

563
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.720
So these people are fearing over here, but we're really

564
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:16.839
the ones that should have been scared, and we had

565
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:18.200
no knowledge.

566
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:23.480
What's between the San Jose and uh zeb or very.

567
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:30.359
Essa exactly exactly right.

568
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:32.480
Fairfield.

569
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:36.359
It was almost that you could see his trail that

570
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.240
he was leaving behind as he's exiting the Bay area

571
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:42.559
and coming back towards the Sacramento area. We start to

572
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:47.279
see letters to Fairfield to you know, other other entities

573
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.279
outside of Sacramento became one of the places that started

574
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.039
receiving letters from this psycho.

575
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:57.000
So after you crossed the bridge coming up from San Jose,

576
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:01.640
after you passed Non Diablo, and I think, yeah, I

577
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:06.519
think before you could take sixty eighty or Fairfield or

578
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:08.799
seven eighty to Blejoe.

579
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:17.160
Right, yeah, six eight Martinez Benetia right right, right, right, right. Well,

580
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.240
one of the things that Lindsay had sent me is this,

581
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:22.359
And I'm not sure what to make of it, because again,

582
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:24.119
like I said, I had hoped that she was going

583
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:26.400
to be here. She knew I was putting this stuff together,

584
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:31.519
So something must have happened. It's some type of indicator

585
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.880
of a regional organized crime information center.

586
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.440
To see is where it's pointing to right.

587
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:43.480
And I I don't feel I feel like there may

588
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:46.920
have been a communication written to Tennessee, but I really do.

589
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:49.839
I can't. I think it might be a communication we

590
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:52.759
haven't actively seen, and it might have just been an

591
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.160
address that I saw on the FOYA files. But interesting

592
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.720
to note, regional organized crime information center.

593
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.480
Well in Texas and Florida and all the southern states.

594
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.200
So it's pretty bad.

595
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:11.599
Yeah, well it's if it's collectively all of these areas

596
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.119
go to this one particular office. I'd say this one

597
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.599
particular office was fully overloaded.

598
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:24.240
And we have murders and obductions and all kinds of

599
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:30.160
weird crimes in all those areas Texas, Georgia, Florida. Yeah,

600
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.160
then you know, then we got the Kennedy assassination in Texas,

601
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.200
and a lot of connections New Orleans and whatnot.

602
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:37.599
And mob.

603
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.160
Well, and I think based on the letters that she's

604
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:45.359
sending me that that there is some theory that this

605
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.960
is revolving around a scare tactic having to do with Watergate,

606
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:54.720
which I had already recognized. The Atlanta, Georgia child killer cases,

607
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:58.599
the twenty six or so murdered children in Atlanta, Georgia

608
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.960
were occurring at the same time the Watergate investigations were

609
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.480
going down. So I kind of included that as the

610
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.119
this this is our distraction, We're going to you know,

611
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:16.839
hyper media media, uh, cover this particular serial killer that's happening,

612
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.920
keeping people off the streets, you know, give them, give

613
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.839
him something to fear, worry and and and think about

614
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.440
versus what's really happening in politics.

615
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.240
And then I'm sorry and blame it on a single

616
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:33.599
individual when I think it's definitely more than one person involved.

617
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.599
And I don't even know if Wayne Williams killed anyone,

618
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.079
but he was peripherally involved.

619
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:41.599
Well, and I think that there had been some connection

620
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:47.480
made between him and Bob Crane, that he had either

621
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:53.119
interviewed him, I guess he was some type of yeah, yeah, yeah,

622
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:56.200
some type of a home podcaster before podcasting was a thing,

623
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:03.759
right right, investigating things. So of course, you know, if

624
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:05.160
they want to, like I said, if they want to

625
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:06.920
break you, they will break you. And of course he

626
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:11.639
ended up being the main Yeah, the scapegoat or the attention.

627
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.880
Although I think that they had indicated he had in

628
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.840
fact literally killed somebody, but it was an adult, not children,

629
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.360
and who knows if he actually killed the adult. I

630
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.440
don't get enough information on these to understand what evidence

631
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:28.639
they had against the individual, especially when they plea him out,

632
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.760
like James DeAngelo, the Golden State killer. Would you plead

633
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.760
them out? How are we going to be satisfied as

634
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.039
the public that this is the person you're looking for

635
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.559
if you don't get, if we don't get to understand

636
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:41.360
what the evidence was against the individual.

637
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.639
Yeah, happens all the time. Yeah.

638
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:47.760
Well, here is one of the letters that Lindsay had

639
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.840
sent in on the anumwash files. This was something that

640
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:54.880
she located in the many FOYA files. She said, there're

641
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.760
thousands and thousands of page, thousands and thousands of pages,

642
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.800
which I would assume, yes, they're likely is because again

643
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.679
this is still an unsolved crime. But some of these

644
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:06.719
letters were extremely interesting and a little confusing at the

645
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:11.719
same time. But here goes everything. This letter starts out,

646
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:16.719
congratulations on your poor police diplomacy, and poor is underlined,

647
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:19.360
so they're really trying to hit home that they mean

648
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:26.559
this Adam Walsh suffered, not you, And of course I can't.

649
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.400
You can't really read except for the word are you

650
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.880
at the underline or at the next line underneath this,

651
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.039
so I just placed question marks. It says Adam was

652
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:39.480
dead only two to three days forensics. No, a head

653
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:43.519
decomposes in water, especially when it's a bloody mess being

654
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.719
fed on by water creatures. You try very hard to

655
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:50.159
please the public, try telling the truth instead of using

656
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.639
a police cover up. You are full of shit and

657
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:56.480
that is underlined. And I'm not going sure what they

658
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:59.800
mean again. I'd hope that Lindsay would be here. She's

659
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.880
the one that understands what this means to the case

660
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:09.599
in regards to a police I mean, they found his head, right,

661
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:13.119
so where's the police cover up? At this point?

662
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.280
Didn't we touch on this letter before? Like last week?

663
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:18.519
I started to try and read it, but it was

664
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.159
so complicated to read. I didn't want to sit here

665
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:23.000
and try to fight through what the words were, so

666
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.400
I went back and I deciphered all the language. Next

667
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.639
paragraph says, I hope this crocodile language wakes you up.

668
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.599
You are nothing special. Adam is quite a man. He

669
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:36.920
makes his father look three months old. It's a miserable

670
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:41.559
way to and it's either even or learn payment to assholes.

671
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.880
I again don't understand what the theory is that this

672
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:52.800
individual is indicating, other than maybe they're indicating that this

673
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.199
was payment for something John Walsh has done and that

674
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.559
the police are covering it up and in dedicating that

675
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:03.920
it was just a random kidnapping and murder of this

676
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:04.519
little boy.

677
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:09.280
I don't know. Next page says.

678
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:15.119
Find out, Oh to even learn payment to assholes? Two assholes?

679
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:18.840
Find out what happened. Police should be more sensible than

680
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:22.320
sacrificing a six year old child. Now that the status

681
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.679
custody of Adam, you can do some investigating. I don't

682
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:28.519
approve of the way Adam had to meet death. This

683
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:32.000
sounds like the murder company Adam kept with was on

684
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:36.079
barbituates with no rational thinking. Adam was a little friend

685
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:39.039
to me and his boyhood should not have ended with

686
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:43.400
camp Water police can be I don't know what the

687
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:51.559
word is, try a police hook or a police hook

688
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:55.000
or book and then the word think, and of course

689
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:59.440
it says over. And then I couldn't really read most

690
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:03.360
of this third page simply because it's not complete. It's

691
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:05.360
partially cut off. There are a few words that I

692
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.639
can determine, but a lot of it did not allude

693
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.880
to a full sentence that I could make any sense

694
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:14.199
out of. So it looks like this comes from a

695
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:19.280
John Kesser and or Sam Martin. I hope this helps

696
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.440
you or I hope this helps your investigations. It looks

697
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:26.199
like and then it is signed off, but I can't

698
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.920
again tell who signed off on it. So this is,

699
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.199
I guess, a just a letter of discontent with the

700
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.480
way the police handled this particular case. I would think

701
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.360
that you'd be more discontent with the way John Wallah

702
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.960
handled the case, refusing the help of the FBI, not

703
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.960
wanting to even proceed with the lawsuit against Sears for

704
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:53.119
the untimely death of his son because he's afraid evidently

705
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:57.000
that his skeletons or whatever he's got hiding in his

706
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.559
closet or going to be revealed, and likely would have been,

707
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:02.880
because I believe the judge in that case was looking

708
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:05.920
to force him to discuss these issues that Sears was

709
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:09.480
bringing up about drugs and infidelity and all these other

710
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:11.840
things that were known to have been going on in

711
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:13.280
John's life during this time.

712
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.360
Was the arcade in Sears or in the mall?

713
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.079
I think, I think you know your traditional mall is

714
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.280
typically the arcade is going to be separate. It's going

715
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:25.159
to be one of the first things that you pass

716
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:27.039
when you go in, because the whole goal is for

717
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:31.960
them to cause your children to beg you uncontrollably through

718
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.559
the entire mall process. Mom, Can I play a video game? Mom?

719
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:35.519
Can I play video game?

720
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:35.800
Moment?

721
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:39.719
I feel like it's going to.

722
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:41.760
Be one of those first places that you pass when

723
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:43.440
you go into the mall, and a great place to

724
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:44.880
drop your child off, so you can.

725
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:50.039
Go, yeah, that happens all the time you get a

726
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.239
little older, exactly exactly.

727
00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:58.000
Because that he got kicked out of the arcade, not

728
00:39:58.079 --> 00:39:58.840
out of Sears.

729
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:03.719
They're trying king to state that that exact well exactly,

730
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:05.679
so I'm not sure if Sears was the owner of

731
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:07.519
the mall at that particular time.

732
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:08.039
I don't know.

733
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.480
Yeah, yeah, I mean Sears used to be one of

734
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:18.480
our biggest department stores, and yeah, exactly, they've shut down

735
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.400
here at the at the Sunrise Mall quite some years ago,

736
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.159
and they're kind of being phased out, just like you

737
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:27.000
know Wards or Mervin's or any of these other used

738
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:32.360
to be big department stores. So I'm not quite sure

739
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.360
what this person is alluding to, other than the fact

740
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:36.559
that they don't believe whatever it is that they're being

741
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:39.000
sold at this point in time, maybe through the media

742
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:42.000
in regards to the case itself and what's going on.

743
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:46.400
And they they made a comment that I thought was interesting,

744
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:49.800
makes his father look like three months old, like he's

745
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.840
a baby, like his father's a baby. I was like,

746
00:40:54.880 --> 00:41:00.079
you're in it's go ahead, no, go ahead, I'm sorry.

747
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:01.840
He makes Adam seem like an.

748
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:08.800
Adult, right, and and that is that mature? And I

749
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:15.559
think there was a I thought, oh, Adam was a

750
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.679
little friend to me. So you've got an adult writing

751
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:20.800
about this six year old child.

752
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:22.639
Yeah, that's just bad.

753
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:30.119
Yeah, you slapped around and you know, violence against anyone,

754
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.280
especially women, But that's just wrong.

755
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:34.039
Exactly.

756
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:40.039
Well still now still know Lindsay All right, I'll strangle

757
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:48.239
her later as a serial killer would say, well, that

758
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:49.039
brings us to.

759
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:50.840
Right.

760
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.000
That brings us to the next letter, which is from

761
00:41:55.320 --> 00:42:00.000
Harold H. Bloom address withheld for your own safety, which

762
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.840
which I find extremely interesting. But we did hear a

763
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:05.639
little bit about Harold Bloom back when we were doing

764
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.199
the Adam Walsh case. Harold Bloom was listed as one

765
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:11.920
of the possible theories of what happened to Adam Walsh.

766
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.159
In a newspaper. He had indicated that he believed that

767
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:20.920
Adam Walsh was retribution for mister Bloom having outed Nixon.

768
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.679
I believe in the Watergate scandal. So that's why I

769
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:27.880
feel that he is trying to associate the happenstances of

770
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:33.440
the child murder with either a distraction or a harsh

771
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:36.480
warning to stop doing what he was doing against the

772
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:44.039
then President Richard Nixon. In regards to Watergate, he has,

773
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:48.480
I guess, attempted to contact FBI law enforcement. Now this

774
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:52.920
letter is actually written directly to the Walshes, so here

775
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.920
goes everything once again. This is written on April twenty eighth,

776
00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:59.880
nineteen eighty two, and it says mister and missus j

777
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:04.480
On Walsh Hollywood, Florida. Dear mister and missus Walsh, I

778
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:09.639
wondered why, honestly he had to write that twice and

779
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:12.559
then Colan, which is something that I often saw the

780
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:16.159
zodiac use, as if he was starting some type of

781
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:22.480
complicated list, And it says, dear mister and missus Walsh Colan,

782
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.039
I know after all this time that you both are

783
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:28.400
as shocked as I am about your son Adam. If

784
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.000
I could, I would have and would now give my

785
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.880
life to have him return to you. I hope you

786
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:35.880
will not thank me a cruel man for what I

787
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.039
am about to disclose. Perhaps it will even help you

788
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:42.039
both at first, because it will be explained that your

789
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:45.920
son was not just picked up indiscriminately from the mall

790
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.880
and later murdered. It was for a definite purpose that

791
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:53.559
I'm sorry to say is myself. Many times I have

792
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:58.280
started to write this letter and failed to complete it.

793
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:04.000
Know if this time will let me complete same, because

794
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:08.559
it is most difficult. Adams and he a lot of

795
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:12.599
times he didn't even spell Adam Adam's name correctly. He

796
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:16.880
certainly never aposh apostrophe s for ownership.

797
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:19.360
He really just wrote it.

798
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.800
Out and a lot of times he didn't, even, like

799
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:25.159
I said, capitalize the first letter of Adam's name, but

800
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:29.159
he proceeds to hyphen again, quite like something we seen

801
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:33.719
with the zodiac, where he's segmenting ideas based on a hyphen.

802
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:34.360
Rather than a comma.

803
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:38.920
But adams murder was a political assassination. That may seem

804
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:40.880
strange for you to read this, and I know that

805
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:44.559
you will be bewildered by such a facts. What in

806
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.840
God's name would make someone make such an absurd statement

807
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:51.840
a six year old boy political murder question mark? But

808
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:54.360
the letter does not stop here like it did all

809
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:58.960
those times before. That's what makes it so difficult to write.

810
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:03.280
In the of the Vero Beach, Indian River County law enforcement,

811
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:05.159
it is a well known fact that it was a

812
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:09.000
political killing. It is also a known fact to the Hollywood,

813
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:13.440
Florida detectives, mister Hoffman and Hickman. This reason is probably

814
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.599
why you were never told the truth about your son's murder,

815
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:20.199
because we both know the reason the party is responsible

816
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.599
and know it would be impossible to prove in a

817
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:26.599
court of law. Adam was abducted July twenty seventh, murdered

818
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.960
sometime shortly thereafter, and his head was held for deposit

819
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.400
on the bank of a canal to be placed there

820
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.360
and found on the date of August tenth. It was

821
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.199
a death warning to me that my children and unseen

822
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:41.400
grandchildren would also be dispatched if I continued to resist

823
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:45.199
those that I have been in deadly combat. They're deadly

824
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:49.559
combat with for the past fourteen years. August tenth, nineteen

825
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:53.000
seventy four was the reason for August tenth, nineteen eighty one.

826
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:54.719
I'm going to have to do some research into this,

827
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:58.000
and I was hoping that Lindsay would give us some insight.

828
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.840
Maybe she's already done that research. But it goes on

829
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:03.960
to say this was the day that, through my effort,

830
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:08.639
a president resigned his office. Adam's murder was sandwiched in

831
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:12.920
between two other equally brutal murders in Vero Beach in

832
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.599
that time period, and I need to research that to

833
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:18.679
find out what murders he's talking about. Do not be

834
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.840
angry at the Hollywood PD, because they tried to solve

835
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.719
this case and were heartbroken as much as I am.

836
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:26.599
And then a word I couldn't read.

837
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.239
They know that to tell you that it would do

838
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:32.639
no good, It would only deepen your sorrow. When I

839
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:35.760
first contacted the Hollywood PD, they thought perhaps that I

840
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.480
was some kind of nut. The follow up letter to

841
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:40.960
crime stoppers, and I think that's what he meant to write,

842
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:43.119
but I don't think he knew the entire name of it,

843
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.000
so I think he stopped at crime stop question mark.

844
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:54.559
Channel seven TV provided let me stop this phone?

845
00:46:55.199 --> 00:47:01.840
What's that now? Wrong number? Okay, good, it says.

846
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:06.960
Channel seven TV provided another and another contact with the

847
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:10.760
HPD prior to mister Hoffman and Hickman coming to Vero

848
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.639
Beach to meet with me in person. On one such

849
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:18.079
phone call to mister Fred Barbett that after they he

850
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:22.159
had read my information, his comment was, we always thought

851
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.800
it was a mob hit. We just didn't know why. Two.

852
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.559
While I'm quoting, I shall quote Detective Hickman at the

853
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:33.079
Vero Beach meeting, and he I could see was heartbroken

854
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:35.360
and under a great emotional stress.

855
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:36.840
Think what this.

856
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.719
Would do to the country, almost like he was talking

857
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:43.039
to himself instead of me. That statement often ran in

858
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.599
my rang in my ears. Then I thought, what the

859
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:51.400
hell wasn't it Adams country? To how they do how

860
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.119
could they do such a vicious thing?

861
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:59.760
And think that oh it.

862
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:05.360
And think that by their being, position and power, get

863
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:08.239
away with it. It will take some time, but Adam's

864
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:11.400
death will with the aid of many people, the truth

865
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:13.760
will come out and those who kill women and children

866
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:18.559
especially will be branded forever. Very interesting statement, women and children,

867
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:22.360
because the zodiac has made that statement. He's like he's

868
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.480
it's like he's fingering down the individuals that are involved

869
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:29.239
with all of this stuff, not only to the what's

870
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:34.800
that interesting? Not only to the public, but to their

871
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.840
own personal families as well. When I can, I shall

872
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:41.199
deliver this to your office in Hollywood after finding your

873
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:44.360
address in the city directory. I was once a millionaire

874
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:48.199
by but that's been expended long ago. Towards the end,

875
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:50.760
I will have to await funds to make it down there.

876
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.400
This has been one of their most and I couldn't

877
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.280
read the words to keep me from working. Thus broke,

878
00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:59.360
but I survived to defeat these powerful people by the

879
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:03.159
grace of heal something in a way, mister Barbett's I'd

880
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:06.159
like to figure out who this is. Statement was correct,

881
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.960
and in a question they they are wrong.

882
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:10.639
Again.

883
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:14.440
An undecipherable word killed Adam, not the mob, but they

884
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.960
are interconnected. I no longer could maintain in my Vero

885
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:22.119
Beach apartment. So basically he's saying there's an interconnection between

886
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.880
the mob and the individuals that he's attempting to out

887
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.320
in this letter, which I believe is the political side

888
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.639
of it. But they are interconnected, and you're dumb to

889
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.639
believe anything otherwise. In my Vero Beach apartment and have

890
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:37.719
moved into a friend's condo in Fort Pierce. For that reason,

891
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.159
I shall not leave you my address in Fort Pierce.

892
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.559
Just rest assured that we are working on it at

893
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:46.079
a very high plane. Meanwhile, Adam's death may well be

894
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:50.039
the one that breaks their vicious conspiracy and deepest sympathy forever.

895
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:54.360
Harold H. Bloom, Fort Pierce, Florida two. There is a

896
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.599
almost a pss an innocent ad lib to me by

897
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:01.519
Hans Freeman of CNN at least terrified these people into

898
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:04.840
Adam's death. They had to do something drastic at once

899
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.880
or be exposed. What about the statement of Barbara Walters

900
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:10.400
in San Francisco is what I believe that says there

901
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:13.000
at the end. So there are some interesting connections that

902
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:15.320
I'd like to discuss. We've pretty much run out of

903
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.920
time at this point, Nolan, thank you for being here.

904
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:20.400
I hope everybody has a wonderful weekend and we will

905
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.079
see you all next Friday to discuss this letter.

906
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:24.880
Thank you having good weekend.

907
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:25.840
Thank you,