Graphology and Adam Walsh Communications

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0:52 Good Morning, true seekers and truth kind junkies. Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. I think I'm losing my words this morning. That was true crime Jonkies. Anyways, I'd like to welcome Nolan to the show. Good and hopefully we will have Lindsay McBrayer here with us because we will be discussing some of the letters that she has found in the John Walsh case that she thinks or the Adam Walsh case, should I say that she thinks are extremely interesting. I did get a chance this last week to decipher them. They're very hard to read. They're very muddied old copies. They look like they've been scanned in at a very low resolution.

1:36 So of course the words tend to kind of or the letters of a word tend to blend together, but I was able to make out I would say about ninety eight percent of one of them and one hundred percent of the other, so that we can clearly read those today in the presentation. We talked last week in regards to a five star review that was placed on the talkfor tv dot com site where this plays live every Friday at ten am, and I wasn't sure who this individual was. I didn't have a lot of information on it, but Dean did get back to me and he let me know that the individual's name was James Kerr. I did try to look up James Kerr. It looks like there's a couple different options for him, but both of them look like they're either writers speakers. One of them was a writer for either a online newspaper type scenario or something like that. But I couldn't really zero in obviously without having more information than just his name.

2:34 But the review that he did put up was I have been startled and impressed by Jack as a Zodiac Killer suspect since two thousand and eight, when I first read about him after watching the two thousand and five and two thousand and seven movies about Zodiac please help solve if he's the guy, if he's Zodiac, don't give up on getting FBI or police to do DNA tests or figure out how to at least investigate Jack more so he can be positively identified or ruled out. I interviewed Robert Farr, and it's either far or forres and I couldn't find anything on him either. Make it. Oh, I did not do that here. Let me do that real quick.

3:15 Ah. I saved something to it earlier this morning, which means I kicked it out of full screen view. Let's go back my high present review. There we go. Thank you. On. So, he interviewed somebody, either Robert Farr or Robert Faris, and wrote an article online destined for Zodiac websites. I didn't think Alan was the Zodiac. I'm not exactly sure what his article was or what he wrote for these online Zodiac forums. I don't even know if his article made the Zodiac forums. So it would be really interesting to have him reach out to me to let me know what it is that he himself has written in regards to it. I think we all completely understand at this point. At a minimum, Arthur Lee Allen is not a good Zodiac suspect right and no.

3:59 One correct, although he did know Jack. You know, there is that information which was very interesting. Dennis had indicated that Jack told him that when he saw Arthur Lee Allen on TV on the news as one of the suspects, that that was the nice man who gave him a ride home from Lake Barry Essa. So, yes, there does seem to be some inclination that Jack was familiar with or knew who Arthur Lee Allen was. And I wonder sometimes that affiliation, if that wasn't exactly what pressed people in that direction, because I'm not really sure who tipped the police off to the possibility of Arthur Lee Allen either and how he became on their radar.

4:40 I think it was his brother or his sister in law. Really, yes, yes, so the ones that they recently did the docuseries with. No that was a different family. I think that was his friends that lived in southern California, in central California. But quick question referred in two thousand and five and two thousand and seven movies, I didn't know that was a second film. The two thousand and seven I recognize being the Jake Gillenhall version of her Allen. The two thousand and five I think is the one that he was reaching out to Tom Voight in regards to he wanted his story told the right way. He felt it would be a better movie for people to see if they understood the real reasoning behind it. And of course that was all pretty much brushed underneath the carpet by Tom Voight.

5:31 Either way of the two thousand and five movie. I don't know, you know, I didn't really get involved with the Zodiac stuff until two thousand and nine. I watched the two thousand and seven simply because there was nothing left on Blockbuster's shelf. Remember when we had the good old Blockbuster. Yeah, you could go down to and rent the DVDs and stuff. I had literally been, i guess, just binging movies at that point and had gotten down to the fact that there wasn't really anything on the shelves that I was interested in. But I still needed some movies to watch, so I picked this particular two thousand and seven version up. At the end of it, I felt very let down. I'm not a very good person with movies that don't have an ending.

6:13 I think it's a well made movie, and as far as the actions of the Zodiac, I think it's pretty accurate in the different killings. But yeah, the conclusion basically that Arthur Lee Allen or they lead you to believe it's Arthur Lee Allen, is inaccurate. Well, And I always find it interesting how they were able to even portray what people believe to be accuracy in the killings since nobody was there nobody, you know what I'm saying. Yes, we had a couple witnesses that survived, but they were in panic mode from the time it ensued, right from the second that it started. They were literally probably in shock of what was going on. So to recall anything or to you know, set up a precedence for how the murder went down, or to try and portray it in the correct way may exactly be why the Zodiac is trying to reach out to people to say you've got it all wrong. Perhaps I want you, I want you to tell my story.

7:08 The movie goes a lot off of a graceless book too. As far as health stuff went down, I think a lot of its accurate. Uh, like the pen flashlight taped to the gun and things like that. Yes, and then they had the eyewitness at very us that survived Partnell and so he you know, he basically said that he saw a guy out there, you know, in the distance, kind of looking kind of weird and odd, and and then you know, he described the hood and described the rope and things like that, the. N of the gun. I mean, some of it, it's pretty accurate some of it, but other words is got to be part speculation.

7:58 Yes, I think I really hold true too. Thought is the statement that Hartnell made about the belly of the Zodiac Killer overhanging his pants so that he was a more robust person. That's something that I kind of feel like you are going to have correct. That's not like remembering whether or not he had blue or brown eyes, was wearing a navy blue or black shirt, right, That's something that's distinguishable about somebody. So whenever I see these new young suspects that come into play, who are fit and who are slim, and you know, they're trying to act like like this last guy that brought this new suspect forward is trying to claim that his dad was the Zodiac when you can look or his stepdad, when you can look at the stepdad and see he doesn't have an ounce of weight on him. So it goes back to many of these suspects during that time frame that.

8:48 Were really fit. That does not fit that description that Heartnell gave. And we also he talked about a lumber with the way he walked, there were things that these other individuals are just I think people are willing to gate these pieces of evidence to in order to fit their person into the mold. Yeah, when I asked him to send differ, he said, I guesst a couple of pictures. Has he sent anything else? He no. Just short of those emails, it was as if he wanted me to give him a phone call. But after you had had the phone call with him and to kind of describe the way he was all over the place, I'm really not in the mood for that. I want you to focus in on what it is that that evidence that you have that supports I don't want to hear about this crime scene, this crime scene, this crime s. Want to hear about what makes your person the person of interest? And I couldn't clearly get that out of him, And eventually he sent me a final email saying it was going to be his final email that he's given me more than enough, and I'm and I'm thinking, you haven't given me enough.

9:48 You've really again? Yeah, no, yeah, you've given me a b too. Gy killer. He knew a lot more about that. Than Zovie, right, So I think again he's trying to form fit and maybe his father was a killer. I don't know. Maybe his father did work for the CIA. Again, I don't know. But I asked him for handwriting, and that's usually where I draw my line at. If you're willing to send me handwriting, then we can discuss it. But he wanted to. He's one of those individuals that wanted to slough off the fact that handwriting would solve this case, which I think is bs. It's a fingerprint, it's DNA. That's why give. An example and give a shot at it. It can't hurt, no, And that was disregarded, and I told him at one point that it couldn't. If he couldn't be honest and be straightforward with me in regards to what he's talking about, then I was going to tell him not to retain you, because there's no reason for us to be hush hushed. The whole purpose of us doing this is to out everything out all of the information in the truth and to be oh, hush hush, they're investigating it. If it's real, then you're gonna want everybody to know, not this five second blurb on the news that oh, the Zodiac's been solved again, and then three weeks later, the you know, FBI come back and go, that's not the guy. But nobody ever hears about that one.

11:05 It takes me to find that. Fifty dollars to invoke confidentially. Yeah no, yeah, no, crazy dude. Well that's about the way I was going with it, and I didn't want to say that out loud, so I'm glad you did. Anyways, So last week we know that I sat in on a PowerPoint where in a presentation or a conference with a graphology group, in which case one of the presenters was doing a profile on the pizza bomber and on the anthrax letters. And of course I didn't realize until after I had already booked the conference that this was something that was going to happen.

11:48 So of course, once I realized that she would be discussing the profile of the anthrax killer, I was absolutely enamored. I knew that I needed to be on this presentation and everything happens for a reason. I don't often attend these conferences because my science is forensics, not necessarily the graphology, even though I'm doing my bit to learn and follow that as much as possible. The one that she started with was the Pizza Bomber, and I'm going to share that one with you today because I've subsequently spoken with her and she is going to come on the show and give her profile for the Anthrax and for the Zodiac, and then I'm supposed to send her some handwriting from Jack so that she can also profile Jack and have that prepared for us as well. Awesome, right, I just wanted to give you kind of a little bit of a taste of the power that graphology has. And keep in mind that the letters that she did the profile off of on the Pizza Bomber, And for those that are not familiar with the Pizza Bomber, I have put up the player's names over here. William Rosstein, Marjorie Dial Armstrong, Floyd Stockton, Kenneth Barnes, and of course Brian Wells, who was the actual He was a pizza delivery man who attempted to rob a bank with a bomb, call around his neck that subsequently blew up and of course killing him. Meanwhile, he was under the impression that it was just a fake bomb, but at some point he began panicking and rationalizing that he hears these timers that are about to go off, and they used kitchen timers for gosh sakes, they're only sixty minutes long. Yeah, he knew exactly how

13:21 long he probably had to accomplish this. Now, after he was dead and they found his vehicle, they found a nine page letter in the rear of his vehicle that described a scavenger hunt that he was supposed to go on after having robbed the bank, and eventually, once he makes it to the final phase of the scavenger hunt, he will find the keys in order to release himself from this bomb around his neck. But as we saw on the media, yeah, as we saw on the media, he didn't have but minutes. So by the time he had left out of the bank and made it to the street, the cops were there. He was detained basically, but at a distance. The police officers did not want to get too close, knowing that he had claimed that he had a bomb around his neck, and subsequently that bomb went off within minutes of them apprehending him and detaining him. So this letter here is one of nine pages, and it again was found in the back of his vehicle.

14:20 It was found not to be his handwriting. So of course we know that there are more than one suspect involved with this entire bombing escapade. The mbire what's that? Where did it happen? Oh you know what? Erie, Pennsylvania. Oh okay, I don't let oh you know what. I've got to go back to sharing. Oh man, So I put up my full stop sharing. I put up my full presentation, but failed to actually share that with everybody. So let me share the full presentation so you guys can actually see the letter. Share there it is all right.

15:02 So this letter very much looks like somebody controlled their handwriting to the degree that they attempted to print like a typewriter. So it was very much disguised, as one would say, because nobody clearly writes exactly like a typewriter types. But this was fairly close. In all aspects, and for that reason, the FBI said nothing could be determined from this particular handwriting because they attempted to write like a typewriter and albeit I would say that there are Yeah, it's gonna be a little tougher, but there should be some taelltale signs in here in regards to handwriting that would match or give us an authorship identity in the profiling range. The FBI was under the impression nothing could be profiled from this because the way the author wrote. So the gal that I sat in on the presentation with last week, she minds you, is one of the few graphologists and forensic examiners that has completed the Secret Service education in in profiling and in graphology and forensic document examination. She is a consultant for the FBI and in a police department back East, and she took a look at these notes and her first impression when she saw them was it looks like a it looks like a instruction manual from a board game, which I kind of agree with her. We have a whole lot of underlining, we've got sectioned off boxes, we've got you know, a's, b's ones, twos threes, we've got some very interesting attributes to this letter, which definitely screams

16:38 instructions for something. So she went ahead and she gave her profile on this and she said that he is a hoarder, he's intelligent, he's frugal yet had money. He's mechanically inclined, he has an explosive personality, mental health issues, he likes puzzles and games, and he's not a good liar and would confess if confronted. This This profile was actually given on The Pizza Bomber, I think she said approximately three years before they stumbled across William Rostein. So we all know if you've watch if you've seen the Pizza Bomber docuseries on Netflix, you will find that William Rostein is literally all eight of these attributes. What I really thought was interesting is when she said he's not a good liar and he would confess. And the reason for that is because he literally was confessing to a dead body in his freezer. That's how it kicked off the whole entire investigation into him and the Brian Wells pizza bombing case. So basically, when the detectives got to his house to find this body in the freezer, one of the first things that mister Rostein said was, you know, despite the fact I have this dead body in my freezer, you have to know this has nothing to do with Brian Wells out of the blue for no apparent reason.

18:01 It's what I like to refer to as the overdisclosure. You're making statements in regards to something that has no impact. Nobody asked you, nobody brought this up. You just willingly gave this information up front without being asked for it, right, So exactly, yeah, yeah, one percent. I look at this all the time in many of the cases that I'm dealing with where you know the individual especially when they're my clients who are lying to me and they want to make an overdisclosure or help me out in my area of expertise. You start telling me why you think something is what it is. It's because you want me to believe that I don't need you to tell me how to do my job. Let me do my job.

18:43 I will come and tell you what I find. But there's still kind of a series of individuals, including this last. I have a case right now where the Gallas disputed my fees after hiring me after I completed my work, gave her my work, and I always submit my work to my already ahead of time and ask them to set up a time to discuss my findings. So they have my PowerPoint presentation, they have my findings. Basically to a certain degree, she was able to look and see that I did not come to the conclusion that she wanted. So instead of setting up a time to discuss this with me, because she already knew she wrote this stuff, she went and filed a dispute against me. And I'm still in the midst of fighting this and it started back in July, the end of July, before I left to Alaska.

19:29 But her, yeah, her overdisclosure. Is is you know, I want you to sign a non disclosure and when somebody asked me to do that. This is quite like this gentleman that reached out to us and wants you to have client privilege for him if he pays you fifty bucks so that you don't tell anybody anything. And I'm thinking to myself that in itself is an overdisclosure, because if you're trying to prove that somebody committed fraud, you want everybody to know. You don't hold that in, you don't high it. Wells guy could not have been too bright just looking at that one sheet of nine that he had to know the bomb's gonna go off way before he's gonna get it off.

20:12 His neck and well, let someone put do that through them. Well, and that's what I think is interesting. And you know they also had he also. Has the calculus E in here that she talked about in the anthrax letters. That's very interesting. I just saw it. Anyways, I got sidetracked by handwriting. Yes. I think that they clearly indicated that he was a very low level smart person, that he was kind of global. I mean, he's a pizza delivery driver in his late forties or fifties, so yeah, he's very very low level smart. Just to make it nice, And they're back and forth as to whether or not he really was involved with this entire plan or whether whether or not he was kidnapped attacked, and you know, they ordered pizza which got him to the property. Now, was he a part of it?

21:04 Did he know about it? And there's been some evidence that's come forward that indicates that yes, he was aware of what was going on, but that he also thought it was a fake bomb, not a real bomb anyways, So if you yeah. They told him it was a fake bomb, so he figured, okay, no big deal, and then his head blow, right. And most of his family wants to state that no, he wasn't a part of it, And I got that. Nobody wants to believe that their loved ones would do something as silly as this. And the whole purpose for this robbery was to steal this money to pay a hired gun to kill Margery Deil Armstrong's father so she could collect as an ieritance. And this woman, she's as loony as the day is long. She's already killed boyfriends and now she's killed another boyfriend that she gets. She talks an old boyfriend, Rostein, into hiding in his freezer at his house.

21:56 I don't even know what's going on with these people. I can't even pretend to under stand another way. Right, So, this, this individual clearly had the capability to do all of the designing of the bomb. So evidently the bomb was designed at Rostein's house. He put the entire thing together. Marjorie deal Armstrong admits to giving the timers the two kitchen timers to place inside of the bomb, and of course we now have them arguing, well, Rostein died before he could even be arrested and convicted. Marjorie deal Armstrong basically went up river for it. I believe Floyd stocked and had been found culpable of some of it and has also been convicted and is doing some time. And Kenneth Barnes, I don't know to what degree he ended up in the middle of it, but he was the hired gun hired that was going to be hired to kill Armstrong's father and all of that.

22:50 Failed either way. I just thought that in the end, when she completed this profile of this individual, and she didn't really know a lot of the facts behind the case. So as I sat and listened, I knew more about the facts of the case than she did, and all she knew was is eventually, three or so years later, when they actually stumbled across Rostein, he was a complete match to all of these items in that profile. Now she has indicated though that there could be several people who match these profiles. So while she gave this profile this is what we're looking for based on the handwriting, wouldn't necessarily allow us to convict an individual of a crime simply because they carried these attributes with these characteristics, because we don't know that they'd act upon it. Whereas after they've acted, after they've done the bad deed based on the handwriting and what she profiles will match the person that they're looking for, and that is in fact what happened in this particular case.

23:48 So when she. Gives a profile, as she's indicated, she did a profile on another individual that was brought to her by a female and I'm not really cool. I think I know who she's talking about. I'm not exactly or she said that the individual has the similar profile to the Zodiac and therefore they submitted this man's DNA to the FBI, but she indicates that they have not heard anything back. Once again, resonating is the fact that she said more than one person can match these profiles. So while this individual may have been a killer, doesn't necessarily mean that he was the Zodiac. And when we started discussing age and timeframe, she rationalized that the individual that she had just turned over to the FBI would have only been in his twenties during the Zodiac stuff. And I said that's too young. Yeah, too young, because when we back that up another three or so years to share a Joe Bates, it makes him even younger.

24:40 You know, we're eighteen nineteen somewhere around there. So I think that maybe even then, and she said, I'm an open book and I will keep that door open because just because we said, yes, these characteristics are consistent with the Zodiac profile doesn't necessarily make him the Zodiac. So we're going to be doing all of this in hopes to show that jack A is a good profile match. As we've all indicated, he has every capability that we're looking for to be the Zodiac. He has every opportunity, he has every proximity, and he has every bit of training that is necessary. And now we'll see how it fares out and what she thinks. By the time we're done with that, I'm just overly excited. H Now, I still haven't seen let me see, maybe I got a text from her.

25:27 I have not. I asked her if she's on today, and quite frankly, she was texting me yesterday telling me she was working out getting Megan Walsh to come on our episodes next week possibly. But and now I guess I'm left to go over and not understanding the information she sent me because she is not here. During and give her a little more time. Well, no, this entire week was predicated on the information that she gave me from the Walsh files because we're following up that. Man, Hi, there's nothing more. May he were a little recapt synopsis on the wall situation?

26:11 He was it was his son Adam that was killed, right and correct. It was in Florida that had happened from a shopping center or some kidnap duck there or something. Yes, absolutely, And there's a couple of stories. And one of the more recent docuseries I just watched, they had indicated that, oh gosh, I'm going to lose her name, Missus Walsh, John Walsh's wife, Revet I think her name is, had indicated that he he had gone missing in sears with her, whereas every bit of information up to that point had indicated she dropped him at a arcad arcade, yeah video arcade, and then proceeded to go to her shopping and then he had purportedly been kicked out with a bunch of other kids from the arcade, forced to go outside.

26:57 Of the mall and basically was a from there. So he was not yet. No, No, I think he was right. He was too young to be thrown in an arcade full of you know. Old kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, at least in my mind, I mean, I know that's the mom. I know nineteen eighty one is a different era, right, we're not talking about today as we rationalize what that's why. Ah, and we and we came home when the light street lights came on, right, I mean we were off running a mock doing whatever, and our parents had no clue where we were and what we were doing. Uh. And when we got home, we got home, but we better be home for dinner and we better be flown before it's dark. That was really kind of our limitations.

27:47 To the malls and arcades on our own without even our parents. Right exactly. Well, and back in the day when somebody could actually maneuver the. Bus system, we had the whole town. Yeah, the town. We went all right, right, my hotel, well, I'm for and the whole town is all of five miles wide, so that bussing system was super easy to get down. Uh. Napa Oh now. Okay, wow, so you're real close to. Yes, yes, I was very close.

28:27 And that's what makes this also surreal, Like especially knowing that the Zodiac made that phone call from First Street in Napa, because that's where I'm originally from, That's where I grew up. That's where I was raised. Uh. Lake very Essa was a place that I frequented consistently with my uncle. And it turns out that but I wasn't actually born until nineteen seventy three, so four years after the fact, I wasn't really aware of the Zodiac, and I was a little too young for all of the hubbub about you know, killing children off of a bus and all of these other things that were going on. And that's that's what made the two thousand. And seven movies so unique to me, is because while I'm watching it, I didn't relate it to a real true story, and I thought to myself, at the end of it, these people were stupid. I would have solved this.

29:11 I would have figured out, Oh, that's just my naivete, right. My first were Zodiac when at the. Timesh felt and my using stayed with some cousins in San Jose and they had a younger sister and they were all afraid of the Zodiac. That's how I first found out about it. They were especially afraid for their sister because you know, most of the time the women were young women were getting killed. And what year was that, That was probably sixty nine. Oh, Okay, so in the heart of it, yeah, yeah, no, no, it was still going on at that time.

29:52 Yeah, and we were not far from the Bay area, and. I was just going to say, by seventy seventy one, he'd actually entered our area. So while they're still scared the Bay Area, he's actually, you know, here in our area and the Sacramento, the South Lake Tao area, the you know, more in our proximity at that point in time. So these people are fearing over here, but we're really the ones that should have been scared, and we had no knowledge. What's between the San Jose and uh zeb or very. Essa exactly exactly right. Fairfield. It was almost that you could see his trail that he was leaving behind as he's exiting the Bay area and coming back towards the Sacramento area. We start to see letters to Fairfield to you know, other other entities outside of Sacramento became one of the places that started receiving letters from this psycho.

30:53 So after you crossed the bridge coming up from San Jose, after you passed Non Diablo, and I think, yeah, I think before you could take sixty eighty or Fairfield or seven eighty to Blejoe. Right, yeah, six eight Martinez Benetia right right, right, right, right. Well, one of the things that Lindsay had sent me is this, And I'm not sure what to make of it, because again, like I said, I had hoped that she was going to be here. She knew I was putting this stuff together, So something must have happened. It's some type of indicator of a regional organized crime information center.

31:36 To see is where it's pointing to right. And I I don't feel I feel like there may have been a communication written to Tennessee, but I really do. I can't. I think it might be a communication we haven't actively seen, and it might have just been an address that I saw on the FOYA files. But interesting to note, regional organized crime information center. Well in Texas and Florida and all the southern states. So it's pretty bad. Yeah, well it's if it's collectively all of these areas go to this one particular office. I'd say this one particular office was fully overloaded.

32:20 And we have murders and obductions and all kinds of weird crimes in all those areas Texas, Georgia, Florida. Yeah, then you know, then we got the Kennedy assassination in Texas, and a lot of connections New Orleans and whatnot. And mob. Well, and I think based on the letters that she's sending me that that there is some theory that this is revolving around a scare tactic having to do with Watergate, which I had already recognized. The Atlanta, Georgia child killer cases, the twenty six or so murdered children in Atlanta, Georgia were occurring at the same time the Watergate investigations were going down. So I kind of included that as the this this is our distraction, We're going to you know, hyper media media, uh, cover this particular serial killer that's happening, keeping people off the streets, you know, give them, give him something to fear, worry and and and think about versus what's really happening in politics.

33:25 And then I'm sorry and blame it on a single individual when I think it's definitely more than one person involved. And I don't even know if Wayne Williams killed anyone, but he was peripherally involved. Well, and I think that there had been some connection made between him and Bob Crane, that he had either interviewed him, I guess he was some type of yeah, yeah, yeah, some type of a home podcaster before podcasting was a thing, right right, investigating things. So of course, you know, if they want to, like I said, if they want to break you, they will break you. And of course he ended up being the main Yeah, the scapegoat or the attention.

34:11 Although I think that they had indicated he had in fact literally killed somebody, but it was an adult, not children, and who knows if he actually killed the adult. I don't get enough information on these to understand what evidence they had against the individual, especially when they plea him out, like James DeAngelo, the Golden State killer. Would you plead them out? How are we going to be satisfied as the public that this is the person you're looking for if you don't get, if we don't get to understand what the evidence was against the individual. Yeah, happens all the time. Yeah. Well, here is one of the letters that Lindsay had sent in on the anumwash files. This was something that she located in the many FOYA files. She said, there're thousands and thousands of page, thousands and thousands of pages, which I would assume, yes, they're likely is because again this is still an unsolved crime. But some of these letters were extremely interesting and a little confusing at the same time. But here goes everything. This letter starts out, congratulations on your poor police diplomacy, and poor is underlined, so they're really trying to hit home that they mean this Adam Walsh suffered, not you, And of course I can't.

35:26 You can't really read except for the word are you at the underline or at the next line underneath this, so I just placed question marks. It says Adam was dead only two to three days forensics. No, a head decomposes in water, especially when it's a bloody mess being fed on by water creatures. You try very hard to please the public, try telling the truth instead of using a police cover up. You are full of shit and that is underlined. And I'm not going sure what they mean again. I'd hope that Lindsay would be here. She's the one that understands what this means to the case in regards to a police I mean, they found his head, right, so where's the police cover up? At this point?

36:13 Didn't we touch on this letter before? Like last week? I started to try and read it, but it was so complicated to read. I didn't want to sit here and try to fight through what the words were, so I went back and I deciphered all the language. Next paragraph says, I hope this crocodile language wakes you up. You are nothing special. Adam is quite a man. He makes his father look three months old. It's a miserable way to and it's either even or learn payment to assholes. I again don't understand what the theory is that this individual is indicating, other than maybe they're indicating that this was payment for something John Walsh has done and that the police are covering it up and in dedicating that it was just a random kidnapping and murder of this little boy.

37:05 I don't know. Next page says. Find out, Oh to even learn payment to assholes? Two assholes? Find out what happened. Police should be more sensible than sacrificing a six year old child. Now that the status custody of Adam, you can do some investigating. I don't approve of the way Adam had to meet death. This sounds like the murder company Adam kept with was on barbituates with no rational thinking. Adam was a little friend to me and his boyhood should not have ended with camp Water police can be I don't know what the word is, try a police hook or a police hook or book and then the word think, and of course it says over. And then I couldn't really read most of this third page simply because it's not complete. It's partially cut off. There are a few words that I can determine, but a lot of it did not allude to a full sentence that I could make any sense out of. So it looks like this comes from a John Kesser and or Sam Martin. I hope this helps you or I hope this helps your investigations. It looks like and then it is signed off, but I can't again tell who signed off on it. So this is, I guess, a just a letter of discontent with the way the police handled this particular case. I would think

38:37 that you'd be more discontent with the way John Wallah handled the case, refusing the help of the FBI, not wanting to even proceed with the lawsuit against Sears for the untimely death of his son because he's afraid evidently that his skeletons or whatever he's got hiding in his closet or going to be revealed, and likely would have been, because I believe the judge in that case was looking to force him to discuss these issues that Sears was bringing up about drugs and infidelity and all these other things that were known to have been going on in John's life during this time. Was the arcade in Sears or in the mall?

39:18 I think, I think you know your traditional mall is typically the arcade is going to be separate. It's going to be one of the first things that you pass when you go in, because the whole goal is for them to cause your children to beg you uncontrollably through the entire mall process. Mom, Can I play a video game? Mom? Can I play video game? Moment? I feel like it's going to. Be one of those first places that you pass when you go into the mall, and a great place to drop your child off, so you can. Go, yeah, that happens all the time you get a little older, exactly exactly. Because that he got kicked out of the arcade, not out of Sears.

39:59 They're trying king to state that that exact well exactly, so I'm not sure if Sears was the owner of the mall at that particular time. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I mean Sears used to be one of our biggest department stores, and yeah, exactly, they've shut down here at the at the Sunrise Mall quite some years ago, and they're kind of being phased out, just like you know Wards or Mervin's or any of these other used to be big department stores. So I'm not quite sure what this person is alluding to, other than the fact that they don't believe whatever it is that they're being sold at this point in time, maybe through the media in regards to the case itself and what's going on.

40:42 And they they made a comment that I thought was interesting, makes his father look like three months old, like he's a baby, like his father's a baby. I was like, you're in it's go ahead, no, go ahead, I'm sorry. He makes Adam seem like an. Adult, right, and and that is that mature? And I think there was a I thought, oh, Adam was a little friend to me. So you've got an adult writing about this six year old child. Yeah, that's just bad.

41:24 Yeah, you slapped around and you know, violence against anyone, especially women, But that's just wrong. Exactly. Well still now still know Lindsay All right, I'll strangle her later as a serial killer would say, well, that brings us to. Right. That brings us to the next letter, which is from Harold H. Bloom address withheld for your own safety, which which I find extremely interesting. But we did hear a little bit about Harold Bloom back when we were doing the Adam Walsh case. Harold Bloom was listed as one of the possible theories of what happened to Adam Walsh.

42:12 In a newspaper. He had indicated that he believed that Adam Walsh was retribution for mister Bloom having outed Nixon. I believe in the Watergate scandal. So that's why I feel that he is trying to associate the happenstances of the child murder with either a distraction or a harsh warning to stop doing what he was doing against the then President Richard Nixon. In regards to Watergate, he has, I guess, attempted to contact FBI law enforcement. Now this letter is actually written directly to the Walshes, so here goes everything once again. This is written on April twenty eighth, nineteen eighty two, and it says mister and missus j On Walsh Hollywood, Florida. Dear mister and missus Walsh, I wondered why, honestly he had to write that twice and then Colan, which is something that I often saw the zodiac use, as if he was starting some type of complicated list, And it says, dear mister and missus Walsh Colan, I know after all this time that you both are as shocked as I am about your son Adam. If I could, I would have and would now give my life to have him return to you. I hope you will not thank me a cruel man for what I am about to disclose. Perhaps it will even help you both at first, because it will be explained that your

43:42 son was not just picked up indiscriminately from the mall and later murdered. It was for a definite purpose that I'm sorry to say is myself. Many times I have started to write this letter and failed to complete it. Know if this time will let me complete same, because it is most difficult. Adams and he a lot of times he didn't even spell Adam Adam's name correctly. He certainly never aposh apostrophe s for ownership. He really just wrote it. Out and a lot of times he didn't, even, like I said, capitalize the first letter of Adam's name, but he proceeds to hyphen again, quite like something we seen with the zodiac, where he's segmenting ideas based on a hyphen.

44:33 Rather than a comma. But adams murder was a political assassination. That may seem strange for you to read this, and I know that you will be bewildered by such a facts. What in God's name would make someone make such an absurd statement a six year old boy political murder question mark? But the letter does not stop here like it did all those times before. That's what makes it so difficult to write. In the of the Vero Beach, Indian River County law enforcement, it is a well known fact that it was a political killing. It is also a known fact to the Hollywood, Florida detectives, mister Hoffman and Hickman. This reason is probably why you were never told the truth about your son's murder, because we both know the reason the party is responsible and know it would be impossible to prove in a court of law. Adam was abducted July twenty seventh, murdered sometime shortly thereafter, and his head was held for deposit on the bank of a canal to be placed there and found on the date of August tenth. It was a death warning to me that my children and unseen grandchildren would also be dispatched if I continued to resist those that I have been in deadly combat. They're deadly combat with for the past fourteen years. August tenth, nineteen seventy four was the reason for August tenth, nineteen eighty one.

45:53 I'm going to have to do some research into this, and I was hoping that Lindsay would give us some insight. Maybe she's already done that research. But it goes on to say this was the day that, through my effort, a president resigned his office. Adam's murder was sandwiched in between two other equally brutal murders in Vero Beach in that time period, and I need to research that to find out what murders he's talking about. Do not be angry at the Hollywood PD, because they tried to solve this case and were heartbroken as much as I am. And then a word I couldn't read. They know that to tell you that it would do no good, It would only deepen your sorrow. When I first contacted the Hollywood PD, they thought perhaps that I was some kind of nut. The follow up letter to crime stoppers, and I think that's what he meant to write, but I don't think he knew the entire name of it, so I think he stopped at crime stop question mark.

46:46 Channel seven TV provided let me stop this phone? What's that now? Wrong number? Okay, good, it says. Channel seven TV provided another and another contact with the HPD prior to mister Hoffman and Hickman coming to Vero Beach to meet with me in person. On one such phone call to mister Fred Barbett that after they he had read my information, his comment was, we always thought it was a mob hit. We just didn't know why. Two. While I'm quoting, I shall quote Detective Hickman at the Vero Beach meeting, and he I could see was heartbroken and under a great emotional stress.

47:36 Think what this. Would do to the country, almost like he was talking to himself instead of me. That statement often ran in my rang in my ears. Then I thought, what the hell wasn't it Adams country? To how they do how could they do such a vicious thing? And think that oh it. And think that by their being, position and power, get away with it. It will take some time, but Adam's death will with the aid of many people, the truth will come out and those who kill women and children especially will be branded forever. Very interesting statement, women and children, because the zodiac has made that statement. He's like he's it's like he's fingering down the individuals that are involved with all of this stuff, not only to the what's that interesting? Not only to the public, but to their own personal families as well. When I can, I shall deliver this to your office in Hollywood after finding your address in the city directory. I was once a millionaire by but that's been expended long ago. Towards the end, I will have to await funds to make it down there.

48:51 This has been one of their most and I couldn't read the words to keep me from working. Thus broke, but I survived to defeat these powerful people by the grace of heal something in a way, mister Barbett's I'd like to figure out who this is. Statement was correct, and in a question they they are wrong. Again. An undecipherable word killed Adam, not the mob, but they are interconnected. I no longer could maintain in my Vero Beach apartment. So basically he's saying there's an interconnection between the mob and the individuals that he's attempting to out in this letter, which I believe is the political side of it. But they are interconnected, and you're dumb to believe anything otherwise. In my Vero Beach apartment and have moved into a friend's condo in Fort Pierce. For that reason, I shall not leave you my address in Fort Pierce.

49:40 Just rest assured that we are working on it at a very high plane. Meanwhile, Adam's death may well be the one that breaks their vicious conspiracy and deepest sympathy forever. Harold H. Bloom, Fort Pierce, Florida two. There is a almost a pss an innocent ad lib to me by Hans Freeman of CNN at least terrified these people into Adam's death. They had to do something drastic at once or be exposed. What about the statement of Barbara Walters in San Francisco is what I believe that says there at the end. So there are some interesting connections that I'd like to discuss. We've pretty much run out of time at this point, Nolan, thank you for being here. I hope everybody has a wonderful weekend and we will see you all next Friday to discuss this letter.

50:23 Thank you having good weekend. Thank you,