Episode 97: Solves and Questions

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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. Uh,
we have a lot today for you.

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We're going to cover some solves on
the last couple of letters that we just

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went over in the last couple of
weeks. Today we have Harriet Soouchet with

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us by phone. Good morning,
Harriet, Yes, good morning, Okay,

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I love to call you when you
called me. So anyways, I'm

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here, Okay, lot to do, like to catch up on for everybody.

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I know. I was getting a
little concerned because this entire episode is

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based on history I have no knowledge
of, so I was like, where's

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my history people? Okay, don't
worry. I'm glad to have you.

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Thank you for go ahead. So
you're gonna be using the the one that

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I actually sent to herming House.
I'm not sure whichever, which, whichever

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you gave me is in the presentation, that's the one that I that's the

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one I sent you, And it
does say to s LTP, you know,

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South Lake Tahoe Police Department, herming
House, because I tried sending this

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information to him and others linked to
where Jack is saying where the where we

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ended up going a month afterwards.
Anyways, you know, I don't think

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we're on that part yet. I
don't think we're on that part yet.

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Let's wait to see what we got
for solves today because I don't know that

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those letters. Let us we'll see, we'll see. Anyways, I wanted

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to kind of just pick up where
I left off from last week. I

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did actually watch the Netflix series on
get Gotti, which everybody knows Gotty.

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It was one of the major mob
crime players I want to say, circle

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the eighties, right, m hmm. Well, my biggest take from that

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whole entire thing while we watched,
you know, some very very evil people

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get away with all kinds of things
by paying off the right people, including

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winning cases against the District Attorney's office
on multiple occasions by paying off jurors and

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such. But one of the things
that I took from that that they'd indicated

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the mob actually leaves the body out
to show the disrespect. I thought that

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was an interesting statement because we've been
talking for quite some time in these cases

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how the bodies were laid out,
publicly displayed so that they could be found,

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that they could be seen, so
that they could be disrespected. Basically,

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so this is kind of a method, right, it's cold. They're

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leaving a coded message if the body
has dead fish on it, you know,

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saying in code and theory that that
means your other family members are going

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to end up dead too, you
know, get the message, you know,

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And that's kind of like the I
think that even though I didn't know

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a lot about the Kennedy's growing up, I mean I understood that they were

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assassinated, and I understood that one
brother after the next was consistently being picked

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off. Right. Yeah, they
were, you know, definitely sending a

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message. They were not happy with
what the Kennedys were doing, and they

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made sure to take everybody. Yeah. So so if I understand correctly,

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because you're speaking of gotty, we're
talking about the mob was Carlos Marcello,

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who was saying, well, in
order to get the head of the dog,

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we have to I mean they were
removing because the head of the dog

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they believed was Bobby Kennedy. So
they got they killed his brother to get

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at Bobby Kennedy. And they're definitely
sending messages their way, you know,

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keep going, We're going to do
more exactly. So with that being said,

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knowing that the mob leaves the body
out to show disrespect, I think

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what they were talking about there is
that, typically speaking, there was some

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unspoken rule in the mob that you
didn't kill a man in front of his

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house because his children and wife would
come out and see him. However,

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depending on the disrespect that they felt
that individual had done, there were players

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they did actually kill right in front
of the house to send that message of

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disrespect. So we see bodies that
have been laid out, you know,

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close to the police department. We've
seen bodies that have been laid out on

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public display, like Black Dahlia,
like all of these things, and we

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know that many of these individuals were
in fact related or associated to somebody in

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the mob, right, I mean, Elizabeth Short was running with a bad

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crowd. Yeah, she was,
she was hanging out with him, but

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giving intel, right, That's what
I'm understanding. She was going to tell

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who was going to kill Bugsy.
I think she thought she was going to

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get paid for that. That's my
long standing theory now. So she was

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got to tell and then they took
her out. Mm, but he did.

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He wasn't killed until when Buggsy but
he was killed not long after that.

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So because she she knew, and
she knew that he was going to

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be taken out, and I think
she knew, according to what I'm seeing

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through Jack's world, that it was
going to be done by mayer Lanski.

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Soa was on the line and then
you know, they took her ound and

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they cut her, you know,
they did the brutal things, cut her

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up a certain way. You know, it was to leave a message,

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you know, right, so right, and to disrespect her basically for sure,

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like you don't leave somebody cut in
half, sprawled out naked for the

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world to see with the damage that
you've done to her without that having sent

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a message exactly. So I just
wanted to touch on another reply. I've

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got this this moonlight gal and you
know, Harriet, how I feel about

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Moonlight. I keep having to deal
I keep having to deal with her,

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like I put her. I sent
her to spam so I don't see her

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messages. But she's had this knack
since the day one that that she introduced

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herself to me. She would go
onto one of my YouTube chan videos and

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she would post a comment, and
then when I go to find the comment,

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it wouldn't be there, and I'm
thinking, what is going on?

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What is YouTube doing with my comments? I can't find them? And it

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kept happening with her, and there
was a couple other people, and then

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I finally just kind of got caught
onto what it is that they're doing.

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So she replies to somebody's comment in
order to disparage me, then rips it

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down so that I can't respond or
I don't know. I don't even want

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to say defend myself because she doesn't
have anything that's defendable, honestly speaking.

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So she posted this message here recently
and then she ripped it down once again,

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which is her notorious thing to do. She doesn't want to be answered,

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she doesn't want answers had for the
statements that she's made, and quite

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frankly, I probably would have torn
something like this down off of my YouTube

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because anything that's disparaging the character of
another individual versus actually addressed the information doesn't

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belong there to begin with. People
are not coming here to listen to people

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have infighting and arguing like on Tom
Voyd's message board. Nobody wants any of

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that mass. So this is her
comment. She said, the content,

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the content and documentation is not not
in capital letters being put in order where

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it makes logical sense. Now,
how many times have I told you that

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I need to do this in a
chronological order? A million times? You'll

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have no idea what's going to happens
in the next couple of weeks with what

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I've got. I we belong.
We were doing chronological order, you know

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I do. And there are things
that are sometimes taken out of order in

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order to make a point or to
substantiate some other portion of the case.

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But it's very rare. And I
have been literally walking through this case from

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nineteen forty five and we are now
in nineteen seventy and my biggest complaint to

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her is that she was flooding me
with information a information I already had,

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b incoherent, not in order,
completely just a dumping of ramblings on me.

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Now, she emailed me in about
four other people, which included Sandy

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Betts not too long ago. And
it was funny because I responded back.

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You told me you didn't want to
talk to me anymore. Why are you

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still emailing me? Either way?
I'm done. I'm not dealing with this

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mess anymore. You're not going to
get my attention if you're going to bash

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carass or, like I said,
not introduce stuff as we're going through.

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She's obviously watching the videos because she
is going onto YouTube, and she's posting

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underneath those videos at that time.
Now you know what era I'm in.

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Send me that information if that's what
you want to send me. Either way,

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it is in chronological order so that
it does make sense. She then

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goes to say continuous gaslighting of those
that comment or comments removed, I've out

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fell over like seriously, you're the
one removing your own comments, not me.

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I have never taken a comment away
from you. I have never removed

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anything that. Like I said,
if you bash character, then yes,

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your comment doesn't belong there. You
got a question to ask, I asked,

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I answer it to the best of
my ability. She says, the

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author does not like challenges. Are
you kidding me? What am I doing

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with this show? If I don't
enjoy a challenge? I mean that I

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love challenges. And then she says, Okay, yeah, you're so,

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you're you're the host. You're not, I mean, you're like me.

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I mean, I I don't.
But she's calling me, that's what's Yeah,

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she's calling me an author does not
like challenges and will try to humiliate

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anyone poking holes as to trying to
connect the dots. That I literally I

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had tears in my eyes. I
was laughing so hard. She's on the

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same track I am. She believes
Jack's part of this entire things. She

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believes Jack is the zodiac, and
she thinks I'm trying to poke holes in

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in trying to connect the dots.
Hold up in this whole thing. Didn't

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I pay for this whole thing so
that I could put the dots together?

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And if she had good dots,
I'd use those dots. I promise you.

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I know somebody there the board,
you know trolls? Yeah, yeah,

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so so did you. I'm not
obviously she's the only she's obviously the

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only one trying to humiliate anyone by
posting these things and ripping them down,

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or at least secretly trying to disparage
me to other people. As she did,

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she posted a reply to cat Daddy
Steve's comment so that he clearly would

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see it, and then she can
turn around and I don't know. I

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don't have time for these individuals.
So let's go back to the presentation.

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Mm hmmm. All right, So
where we left off last week was in

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leads, and one of the things
that the leads said in the FBI Identification

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Division was latent fingerprint section is required
to advise how many latent prints believed to

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be of the Zodiac are available,
and if there is any possibility of classifying

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these latent prints to the extent of
permitting a search through the FBI fingerprint files

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in an effort to identify the Zodiac. I thought this was extremely important because

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we knew early on with Black Dahlia
the FBI was capable of identifying her because

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she had done some civilian work for
the military. Right, yeah, yep,

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they had her fingerprints on file.
Mm hmm, yeah, I believe

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she said a PBX free. Yes, well good, but we are we

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in this deep right, so the
FBI would have hit on somebody had they

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had they had fingerprints, like the
SFPD and the NAPA Sheriff's departments claimed.

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The Zodiac actually is now more believable
when he says he hasn't left any fingerprints

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or otherwise behind. Now one of
two things can be happening here. Either

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A the FBI. Either A the
Zodiac is not correct and there is a

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cover up. So his fingerprints would
never have been discovered to begin with,

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because we know that Jack's fingerprints are
on file with his military records. We

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know that there's a lot of military
connections here. The individual was obviously in

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the military, and the military would
obviously have their fingerprints. So why this

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case did not come to fruition or
a solve is one of those cases.

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Or just like the Zodiac said,
he didn't leave any good prints behind and

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all the prints they have would never
have connected anybody to this case. To

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begin with, if I remember correctly
and Gracemith's original Zodiac book, he had

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what was looking like a picture I
believe this the Taxi letter. But anyways,

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you saw clearly that there was a
pump print there, and then you

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saw part of like the tip.
But what if it's not his, What

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if it's not Well, you saw
part of the tip of the finger was

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off, and that's about the time
period that Jack reportedly depending on whose story,

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had his fingertips damaged. So so
I'm looking and saying, okay,

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there are prints there. They were
saying this, like you said the SPD

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and they didn't find any prints.
And you can see it in Gracemith's original

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zodiac you see print right there.
So anyways, but that lends me back

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to were they actually the zodiacs?
I mean, clearly if they and I

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don't know if they take palm prints
in the military. We know they take

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a thumb print on their and fingerprints. I don't know if they actually take

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palm prints or would have had something
like that in possession to actually make a

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cross connection to any files. I
really, you know, I'm not sure

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about that. But this leads me
to believe they didn't have any good prints.

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Otherwise it would have crossed connected to
somebody in the military that they had

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prints on. But what if this
is okay, this is a time period

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where Jack's fingerprints cut damage and you
know, tips are missing. He's playing

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semantics there, you're not going to
have full prints because my hands are messed

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up. That's that's been a workable
theory for a long time, So you

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got the stories that's possible. Well, here's the thing with fingerprints. You

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have to do such severe damage that
you actually damaged the dermal layer of the

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skin that actually creates the cells that
make the ridges on your fingers. So

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the damage would have to be so
severe as to have burnt down at least

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seven layers of skin into the area
where it regenerates itself and keeps creating those

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So you can have a slight cut
on your finger that doesn't go down to

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the epidermis, and that scar will
heal. So when you're doing finger prints

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on somebody, you may find damage
to fingers that aren't consistent with previous records.

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But if it heals and it doesn't
cut into the regenerative layer, then

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you actually have a uh, it
will grow back eventually once that area of

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skin heals and sloughs off. If
it damages the dermal layer, it will

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be permanent. So I don't know
to what degree. I know you were

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talking about Jack having dipped his hands
into acid or had opened he claimed to

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have opened a hot radiator cap and
burnt both of his hands. Right,

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yeah, that's one story. But
another story that was more more logical was

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when he was working and handling has
this wastewater which was radiation they got damaged?

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When was that? Because he when
he was working at Atomic Energy.

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I believe that was beliason. If
I remember when Dennis said that he had

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to leave, I mean he he
got injured there, so he has that's

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another story. Dennis wouldn't have known
about that because he wasn't around in sixty

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three. Well yeah, yeah,
so that's why you got two stories.

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And you know, but I think
that's more logical that he was handling something

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that was RAI radiation and got burned
that way. But you know, or

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maybe it's both. But but if
you think of the Singapore letter where Jack

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is sending his prints, you'll see
some of the tips or damage, but

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you still see and you see the
same print. I swear you have see

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the same I feel like I feel
like all he did was the the two

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areas below the actual tips, so
it looks like it's got off and it

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has no fingertips. But you got
the two positions both beneath and above the

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knuckle and making it look like there
are no fingerprints at all. But I'll

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go back and review that anyway.
So I want I want to just you

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can quickly compare with the original Grace
meant, have you got a book,

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and you'll see the same print,
one of the fingers, the same exact

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print in what was sent to Tom
Boyd in the Singapore. I do I

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do have his I do have his
book. I will take a look and

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see if there's enough ridge detail for
me to make any type of an identification

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based on that. So let's move
on. I wanted to point I wanted

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to point out at this point that
for some reason we started getting duplicate letters

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from the zodiac. So on June
twenty sixth, nineteen seventy, we're going

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to be discussing the annihilating or the
I shot a man in a parked car

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with a thirty eight letter, and
that's the soul that Harriet and I are

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going to work on today. But
I noticed that this one mentioned twelve victims.

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I noticed that this thank you,
because that's surprising coming week Harriet so

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on nineteen Oh my god. On
June twenty sixth, nineteen seventy, he

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wrote a letter stating twelve victims.
But then in March twenty second of nineteen

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seventy one, almost a year later, he sends the Sought Victim twelve card.

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So he's now mentioned twelve victims twice
and at a year apart, which

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doesn't really make a lot of sense. Then on July twenty sixth of nineteen

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seventy he sends the Buttons letter,
which claims thirteen victims, and then on

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October fifth of nineteen seventy he turns
around and sends another postcard claiming thirteen victims.

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Then by October of nineteen seventy we
have the Halloween card, which states

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fourteen victims. So I'm saying,
I'm wondering what these messages are about.

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If he's clearly already made the statement
that they're victims. I know, I

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know. This is what I'm trying
to This is what I'm true. I

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yeah, Okay, this is what
I'm trying to get. Harriet, You're

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gonna have to let me speak.
This is what I'm getting at. As

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far as you and the codes and
what you guys are finding that these messages

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are eluding are alluding to something else
because he already said twelve. He already

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said thirteen. Now he comes back
and follows up with another postcard that's stating

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the same references, which makes absolutely
no sense. It's almost like redoing something.

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And for what purpose. I believe, like you believe that it has

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to do with obviously a coded message. Definitely, So we were talking about

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Grace miss. We were talking about
Gracemith's version A compared to the two thousand

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and one Voinovich letter and the version
of Grace Smith's letter in his first book

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on this, on this annihilating or
I shot a man in a parked car,

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and how it compared to the actual
Winnowitch letter and the letter A that

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was found in it. I know
that due in part to this two thousand

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and one letter, it is likely
that they realize Zodiac is still around,

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Zodiac is still writing people, and
the anthrax letters which the public had felt

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so strongly the Zodiac killer had indeed
written. This becomes a curtain time frame

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in two thousand and one, when
Dennis believed that all once he identified Jack

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could show this bell top A was
consistent and that there were belltop A's in

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the communications. All of a sudden
the communications previous to two thousand and one

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started being ripped down from the Internet. So two thousand and one is a

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triggering Yes, it's a triggering point
for some reason, and it's caused a

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mass dump. We had Voight who
went and dumped his entire website that he

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had had for years with AOL and
started over brand new. And I think

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that's because he couldn't entirely race the
things that he needed to erase in order

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to start all over with the versions
he wanted the public to see. So

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that brings us to yourself of the
dragon greeting card. This one you said

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was a grill cipher, and we
can see up here where you said or

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where you have made the marks of
where that grill cipher was fell and the

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letters that you then used. Those
letters you then anagrammed correct exactly. And

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this is really old stuff. So
you had me going over some pretty old

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twenty These are from actually when I
made these copies, you know, to

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do these, They were from twenty
eighteen. So but yeah, but yeah,

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so this is early on. But
I showed the work, you know,

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so how people can see. Okay, I did this and then I

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anagrammed it, but I was also
I learned a long time ago, make

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sure you show you work even though
it's not. I mean, you'll see

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a g R. Robert K.
I was trying that and will and so

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heara and I was trying that.
That didn't work. But once I got

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everything together and anagrammed out, do
you want me to read the anagram because

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he's saying where he put Donna last? Yes, I do, and it's

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I see that the message starts with
a WH. What is the WH?

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I believe that's white House He's he's
he's sending this to Nixon. So he's

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saying, attention white House, hotel
or inn, which is not Richard Nixon

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at this point. It is the
nurse last be in a big dull rock

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at the y, which I believe
I'm trying to say. It says two

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am where he had put her around
two am because she was last seen I

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believe what around one thir and he
he drags her and puts her there and

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does something and puts her in.
According to him, he puts her in

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the big dull rock. The remains
And that's interesting because we do have solves

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that are going to come out and
identify that rock, and you are correct,

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we have been there. Good morning, Nolan, Good morning. That's

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okay, okay, go ahead,
was listening to the broadcast on my phone,

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but I couldn't get the mic in
the work. But I've heard what

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you've guys have done up until now. Good, good, good. We're

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just now starting to discuss some of
the solves in the one right now that

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is being looked at now. Of
course, this is the greeting card or

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I'm sorry, when is the have
a blast see if you can get dragon

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card. Yes, I just wanted
to see what our time frame. Okay,

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so April twenty eighth, nineteen seventy. He is already predicting then that

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are in Donna Lass is involved somehow
in the Robert Kennedy assassination, and that

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she is going to die for her
participation is basically your your thoughts, right,

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Harriet. Well that was what I
thought. So there's going to be

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some changes, but he's definitely saying
that's the rock where she's at for going

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to be at. And we've been
there. We went up there, and

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you know, again, if you're
showing what on the screen that I sent

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you, I sent these I tried
about sixty times to contact Selflake Taho PD.

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If I remember dozens of times I
sent more than these factses that I

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sent, And after so many times
in two months, I said, you

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know what, obviously they're not going
to respond. So anyway, that's what

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this says, though it says where
she's supposed to be at at that time

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period. Anyways, Well, then
that takes us to the uh. I

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parked a man and I shot a
man in a parked car with a thirty

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eight, which also has a Z. We call it the Z thirty two

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code because there are thirty two characteristics. We are also now seeing an introduction

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of new symbols which were not found
in the previous ciphers. So we can

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assume that he is evolving. Just
like I said, he evolved in his

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communications where he would write small communications
and maybe one of them to begin with,

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and he'd get boulder and boulder,
and before you know it, he's

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doing triplicate forms. He's making three
page letters. He has literally grown in

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his ability to communicate through these messages. And now we're starting to see the

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cipher codes evolving. So he's hoping
to trip people up. And I've reminded

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people many times that the FBI shows
the use of anagrams, substitution ciphers,

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transposition ciphers, first and last words
of a sentence, first second or third

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letter and last letter of words,
and Scorpion bragged about cryptograms which are going

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to be images we're going to see
here in the future. So this brings

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us the cipher solution by Lauren Swern. He you can see his will if

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his website is still even up anymore. On the Z thirty two. This

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is what he came up with.
Go seven miles forty five degrees the north

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Maalao Community Center Park, one hundred
and twenty degrees west of the X equals

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the crossing square for the Zodiac,
so he said. The Zodiac killer claims

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the bomb is set and were buried
on the west side of the highway intersection

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on twenty degrees west from the crossing
intersection square. Now I've been back to

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this particular location myself, and they
have now dumped a bunch of debris and

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asphalt and things into this area.
I don't know if their intentions are to

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build up on this particular piece of
land in order to put in an overpass

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or what it is their intention to
do with it, but I know that

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they are reconstructing that particular area and
they will literally never be another way to

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get to that ground level again to
do any verification. He said, The

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yellow location is the Green Valley right
off Green Valley Road, but it is

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yeah, yes, and you see
the changes that they're making. Right.

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It was shortly after he came out
with this solve all of a sudden,

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I drove by and they have dumped
asphalt and pavement and all kinds of debris

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there that was literally built up like
a mountain. So, like I said,

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I'm not sure if they're preparing to, you know, build and pack

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that up so that they can use
it for some type of off ramp or

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on ramp. But either way,
that particular area that he is talking about

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is now covered and you will not
be able to verify any of this information.

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But he said the yellow line to
pick seven miles at forty five degrees

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from the North Balao Community Center to
the major crossing highways. And that's what

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you just said, Nolan. The
major crossing of the six eighty and the

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eighty right there at the end of
it's right there actually between Fairfield and American

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Canyon Road or your off exit to
NAPA. So he said that the indicated

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area is approximately one hundred and twenty
degrees west of the main intersection of Highway

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eighty and six eighty. Ooh,
you are ahead of me, Nolan.

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Have you been watching my presentation without
me? No, We've talked about this

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years ago, and I wouldn't slip
it out. And my next step was

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going to be to check the bus
records back and at that time period to

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see if there was a bus route
along Green Valley Road. There would have

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been. There absolutely would have been. We can see right here that this

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is the old version before they dumped
everything that I said they dumped in there.

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So you basically would come off of
eighty here and then you could go

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back up and over the freeway until
Luther looks like Luther Boulevard or something to

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that degree. Either way, this
one over here is the Green Valley Road

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that runs along the freeway, and
this entire area has now been filled completely

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in. I also wanted to yes, well, is it possible that since

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you you know, we're talking about
a bus route right to go from there

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all the way down to where sitting
where Jack had his dark room in the

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San Jose because that's what I'm coming
up with a lot lately. Well,

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eighty runs. Eighty runs directly into
you know, other free ways that connect

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into the area. So from where
I'm at, I would take it because

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he might be saying that he was
also staying there, and then he's got

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the dark room in uh up of
two eighty and one oh one in San

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Jose. Valeo Community Center would also
be a place he likely could have parked

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the makeshift house or bus that he
was driving. It would be a place

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that he could have closed up and
stay for the ninth. It's very close

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to Lake Herman Road, which also
has a visitor section which you and I

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visited with a telephone booth in it. The things that we know the zodiac

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would be interested in, now,
Lauren. Lauren went on to find other

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messages as well, by turning the
symbols different directions, I believe, or

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anagramming them in a different way.
So his secondary message says, I have

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gotten off CIA assistance. I am
Jack W. Terrence. Now, of

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course, when you look at what
he's put together, the IV is I

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have the go gotten is g OTO
N and off of course CIA help M.

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Jack W. Torrance. Now,
the interesting part about this is that

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this is a whole news cipher,
but the name Torrance is pretty much being

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spelled exactly the same way it was
in the three forty. So I think

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there's a good cross connection there for
that to actually be something He was able

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to derive more than once, so
we're looking at this name twice. Now.

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The tertiary message he said was JW. T off CIA assistance I had

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gotten on mk Ultra, but he's
saying now he is off. Now.

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The coordinary message that he came up
with was expedite forward too John Faggio mk

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Ultra CIA at Dow Inc. Which
he believes Lauren believed Dow chemicals and they

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may very well be the person's or
entities that is making the LSD or the

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other drugs that the military is using
in the mk Ultra project. And I

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think that that was kind of Lauren's
belief. But his he had also another

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quordinary message that said X expedite to
CIA Field Agents, Group Intelligence Operations,

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Department of Defense from j W.
T. Jack W. Terrence, basically

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concerning and or against mk Ultra.
So can you tell us who John Faggio

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is yeah, it's I don't know
you have you have no idea how close

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you are really, because there's more, there's so much more. I'm to

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00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.920
send you in the next couple of
weeks. Okay, but do you know

407
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:52.839
who? Do you know who John
Faggio or Facio? Do you know who

408
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:58.359
this person is? Oh? My
god, I used to know, But

409
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:02.759
it was somebody very very important in
that field. He's trying, he's trying

410
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:07.759
to come up with the or that
he's finding the cure or trying to find

411
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:13.000
the cure for what's going on with
MK Ultra. We'll just stick to that,

412
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:17.400
because it was really bad. These
people had conspired to turn people like

413
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:25.240
Jack into program robots, you know, under this drug. Well, and

414
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:30.799
I know that Lauren puts in here
that the legal disclaimer there is no evidence

415
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:35.799
that Dow Chemical was ever a participant
in MK Ultra. However, I highly

416
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:39.599
doubt there would be any evidence the
thirty thousand documents that got misfiled that even

417
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:46.680
allowed the public to become aware of
this actual program was accidentally misfiled in the

418
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:52.160
wrong place. So literally speaking,
I don't think that you would actually find

419
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:58.359
someplace where Dow Chemical was ever admitted
to having been but we do know there

420
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:07.359
was what Monsanta something like that,
But well, dal Chemical repressed my memories.

421
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:14.199
Dal Chemical in the Michigan area,
do we know because there's a lot

422
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:19.440
going on, Okay, because that
would actually make more sense to because you

423
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.039
know, there's so much secrecy.
But there's the way Jack did his code

424
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:29.280
stuff. It's always been hiding in
plain sight. So Lauren Swaying is coming

425
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:34.320
up with what he's coming up with
using a digraph system of Jack's, and

426
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.760
then I'm coming up with a lot
of things. But you know, it's

427
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:42.000
it's just in a weird way,
coming together all these years later than God.

428
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.440
Well, what was interesting is that
I had actually done a map of

429
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:52.400
Chestnut Street and Telegraph Hill Boulevard in
San Francisco. Both these locations were known

430
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:58.760
to be safe houses for MK ultra
on into Lombard Street and Chestnut Green Lane

431
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.480
in Mill Valley, hamil An Air
Force Base in Bohemian Grove. And when

432
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:05.360
I made that route, you can
kind of see it here on my map.

433
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.320
I know you can't Harriet, and
I know you can Noland. It

434
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:16.280
literally is a straight shot up through
the valley. Yeah, yeah, like

435
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:20.760
a like a Radian line. But
going the rout, well, I guess

436
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:27.559
it going here, but I thought
that was extremely interesting. So you also,

437
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.960
Harriet, came up with expedite f
to John Faggio mk Ultra CIA at

438
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:36.360
Dow Inc. So you had your
own solve, in which case you came

439
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:40.239
up with pretty much the same thing
in twenty fourteen, right, yeah,

440
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:45.079
yeah, So I remember you telling
me about John rag but you know,

441
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:50.280
keep going, sorry, no,
no, no, I just I know

442
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:52.960
that yet that time, you knew
who John Fagio was and what he played.

443
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:59.119
He may be somebody at in the
CIA or at Dow Inc. I

444
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.679
mean it could literally be going in
either direction or major player in MK ultra

445
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:15.320
M. The main company that started
doing LSD for the CIA was a Swiss

446
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.519
company, and later there were American
companies. I'm not sure if it was

447
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:24.920
Dow from Incanto, but American companies
did learn how to manufacture it too,

448
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:30.039
and the CIA switched over to them
because it was a lot easier correct.

449
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:34.119
And I did a little bit of
reading on it, but of course,

450
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.239
you know, you never really know
what's being put out there to be truth

451
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:38.960
or not. And I don't want
to just repeat things I don't know,

452
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.199
and That's why I love you guys, for your history and the things that

453
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.920
you know. So now you have
to want to Francisco, so I should

454
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:52.679
know something about I have friends who
did the LSD. I never did it,

455
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.920
but you know, yeah, so
I have that perspective being from San

456
00:36:54.920 --> 00:37:00.000
Francisco, A lot of stuff that
was going on as a kid amongst hippie

457
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:06.760
But anyways, case, now you
have this secondary message, which was what

458
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.360
was that? Knowing well, I
can eat your confirmed or deny any of

459
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:23.760
my alleged hallucidergenet Ughes spoke attorney.
I'm sorry, spoken like a true defense.

460
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:35.079
Attorney Harry came up one that said
that the message revealed I Jack.

461
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:40.440
Okay, I am Zodiac Jack's of
Davis, California. Do you remember that

462
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:47.719
one Davis, California. Was just
shocked? Yeah, getting some treatment in

463
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:55.039
Davis. Oh Davis? Yeah?
Was you see Davis available back in nineteen

464
00:37:55.119 --> 00:38:01.199
seventy in the early nineteen seventies.
Was because I went to UC Davis to

465
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:07.559
get my heart fixed, So it
was there, gotcha? Okay, Yeah,

466
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.760
I just want to make sure the
law school I believe open to the

467
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:23.119
sixties. Oh okay. Oh So
then basically we've got Hi Jack Okay,

468
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:28.400
I am Zodiac Jackson, Davis,
California. So almost as if he's saying

469
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:32.800
he's a project himself. Uh yeah, yeah, Zodiac. From what I

470
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:39.480
understand was actually that's what we have. A guy named David Sylvie who I

471
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:45.159
swear was that Dennis's message board just
before he died, he was coming out

472
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:49.159
with his book. But there is
a book out it's called Project Art to

473
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:54.360
Choke. That Zodiac was another sub
project in the MK Ultra and it had

474
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:59.039
something to do with who was going
to kill the Kennedy's and they were trying

475
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:02.400
to do. It's a really complex
book, but it's amazing. And he

476
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:09.400
dies before it was officially published.
Who wrote that? So David Sylvie,

477
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:16.440
Yeah, Sylvie, Si Lbey I
believe. And there was somebody named Dave

478
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:22.360
who was trying to talk about something
about Project Zodiac and things of that nature

479
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.800
at Dennis's message board and then he
disappeared. But the book comes out a

480
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:31.639
year afterwards. That he dies before
the book gets officially published, and those

481
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:37.480
who were working on Hans Sirhan's appeals
and all these other things removed documents from

482
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:42.480
the book. It's in the book. I was like, okay, he

483
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:49.639
was touching upon something about Project Zodiac. Well, clearly, I mean if

484
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:54.639
Zodiac is a project of the government, CIA, MOB, whatever it be,

485
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:59.800
then we aren't have a seen any
group of individuals, which is kind

486
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.880
of the contention of many Americans is
that the Zodiac wasn't in this alone.

487
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.599
So I'm not the only person,
definitely, and it's just about getting the

488
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:14.360
information to support or substantiate it.
So did that book get published? Is

489
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:17.840
that book available? Yeah? Available? I think I got a copy,

490
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:21.920
and I may have tried to send
you a copy many a few years ago,

491
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:25.360
twenty fourteen, I believe. But
it is published, and it's choppy,

492
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:30.760
and you'll understand that. The reason
why he's choppy is the guy dies

493
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:36.840
before it's completely published, and people
that were working to try to do things

494
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:42.639
with Sirhan. Sirhan removed documents from
the book, so it's missing some fluid

495
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:47.400
fluid pieces in there. But I
but he's also mentioning that Darlene Farrin is

496
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:52.280
the girl in the polka dot dress. Scary, really scary. That's true.

497
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.800
Okay, Yeah, because I did
get the book, I have it

498
00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:00.119
similar, So he obviously is privy
to information and that most others aren't.

499
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.519
Who is Sylvie? What? What
was he? What did he do?

500
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:07.199
Oh? He was from my from
what I can recollect, he was in

501
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:12.519
Vietnam, but I believe he was
in special forces in Vietnam, some some

502
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:19.239
military and so he had some unique
information from his perspective, and so he

503
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.960
was trying to get his book published. But he he said that he in

504
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.679
information that Darlene Farren was the woman
in the booka dot dress that was a

505
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:34.519
suspect to some certain people years ago
in the death of Bobby Kennedy and not

506
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:39.679
Sir Hans Sir Han. But this
a lot of stuff amazing. I think.

507
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:44.440
I think everybody, with the evidence
available can kind of conclude that Sir

508
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:52.440
Hans Hahn didn't kill anybody. You
know, he's right, Yeah, he

509
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:57.360
fired, but he's not the killer. He's involved somehow. Maybe MK Ultra

510
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.920
under the spell of this particular their
drug. That's what I'm seeing so much

511
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:07.840
about lately. Sam. It's highly
likely that he was under hypnosis as well,

512
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:12.280
and also maybe second drugs. I
don't know if it was LSD,

513
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:19.480
but something similar gotcha. The spell
that the hypnotic spell, and oh my

514
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.000
god, there's you'll see in the
next couple of weeks, I'm gonna be

515
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.360
sending your stuff and you're going to
be like, fuck you, Harriet,

516
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:28.760
Oh my god, I gotta do
this. But I'm just I'm just a

517
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.840
cool breaker. I Am not sure
that I'm going to say that, but

518
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:38.000
okay, well that's what You're going
to be shocked because a lot of things

519
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:42.639
you thought was of a certain year
are actually a different year, and it

520
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:47.079
was all in code. And he's
screaming at Randolph Hurst trying to locate something

521
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:52.760
that has to do with MK Ultra
and Patty Hurst being under their spell.

522
00:42:52.599 --> 00:43:00.000
It's amazing, but we'll stick with
this chronological order. That's let's understand.

523
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:05.360
I want to talk about the notion
though that you just discussed real quick.

524
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:09.280
So basically, throughout the communications,
we have seen evidence that the mail moves,

525
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:14.320
that the Zodiac's mail moves in a
way that isn't typical of standard mail.

526
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:19.159
It gets to places where it shouldn't
get to, improperly address, improperly

527
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:23.599
postaged. Sometimes it's over postage.
Sometimes it's not postaged at all. Either

528
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:29.760
neither here nor there. We have
this nineteen ninety Christmas card that actually comes

529
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:35.719
out or it's postmark nineteen ninety,
but somehow it sits somewhere until two thousand

530
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:40.480
and seven or eight when it was
discovered. I believe it's the story is,

531
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:44.719
and it's coming from me. In
case people say that that can't be

532
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:47.360
true, don't say Gracemith said that. I believe the story is. Race

533
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:52.800
Smith was, you know, going
through some things or somebody who's going through

534
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:57.119
some of the files that you know
were connected to Graysmith and they found it.

535
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:05.320
So some gotcha gray Smith connection of
files stored somewhere. Well, and

536
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.280
we know that a lot of people
walk coming from me. Okay, I

537
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:15.840
won't I screamed that by moonlight.
I'll tell you that. Shut up.

538
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:22.599
Because of that notion, you believe
that you've started seeing some of these nineteen

539
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:30.559
seventy letters that you think were not
even they were projecting nineteen seventy four.

540
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:37.679
Do I have that correct? What
I'm seeing now is nineteen seventy is actually

541
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:43.400
nineteen seventy four. Quite a lot
of things, but not all of them.

542
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:47.960
So but in the nineteen ninety one, he's actually going backwards because I

543
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:53.239
did that one too. He's trying
to say something about how he did get

544
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:55.880
no, No, I know,
I don't want to give that. I

545
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.760
don't want to give that information up
yet about a post what ninety says.

546
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.960
I'm just trying to make the relation
because when you and I were speaking,

547
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:09.000
you said it appeared as though these
nineteen seventy letters were actually from nineteen seventy

548
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:16.360
four. Yeah, there's some of
he's tripping. I think he's and he's

549
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:20.840
Oh my god, it has something
to do with MK Ultra and Patty Hurst

550
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.400
is kidnapped in nineteen seventy four,
February nineteen seventy four. That's what I'm

551
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:30.920
starting to see now that he's trying
to talk to Randolph Hurst to be on

552
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:35.679
the case to help find his daughter
but also find something that might be curing

553
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.480
her of that spell. And that's
what I'm seeing. So it's all in

554
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:45.679
code, and I think some of
these weren't supposed to be published until a

555
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.079
much much later date, but I
think anyways, that's what people are going

556
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:54.280
to see the chronological order, thanks
to mainly Tom Boyd. He's the one

557
00:45:54.320 --> 00:46:00.360
who's led the charge or this was
mailed, this was published, love what

558
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.039
and a lot of that we are
finding years later. We were there,

559
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.519
we were finding this in twenty ten. You can't trust a lot of that.

560
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:13.639
So but that's you know, long
drawn out explanation. Yeah, there's

561
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:19.599
some it's all code unbelievable. Okay, So gosh, I just lost my

562
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.280
chain. I thought I had a
good sorry question there. No, I

563
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:29.039
know, I know right now.
Okay. So, so what I'm trying

564
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:35.639
to think of here is that we
know that there's a heavy relation to Randolph

565
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:40.039
Hurst. The fact that he is
mailing through mailing to all the known newspapers

566
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:45.320
owned by Randolph Hurst, the fact
that we see things like on the desktop

567
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:51.559
poem our age, the relation to
Patty Hurst having been abducted, then put

568
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:58.760
undermined control, then robbing a bank
and she was supposedly completely out of it,

569
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:02.039
had no clue what she was doing. I think that the only thing

570
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:07.360
that could cause somebody to do that
that quickly without having some amount of time

571
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:13.559
to actually control their brain would have
to be with drugs or hypnosis or something

572
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:17.400
to that effect, or possibly that
it is just another hit at randolph Hurst,

573
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:22.480
because she is kidnapped and used in
the same manner in which Jack feels

574
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:27.920
like he had been used for the
mk Ultra, Right. I think that

575
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.119
this is the one I'm seeing.
But she was put under for six weeks

576
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:35.400
because I'm from San Francisco, I
knew people, who knew people. I

577
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.480
was a teenager at the time.
But for six weeks she was locked in

578
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:44.760
a closet and for three days on
the weekend only, she was given a

579
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:49.840
particular tree tea lace was something.
That's why I'm understanding, or the tea

580
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:54.000
was a drug and she was definitely
Harriet. We're on down to our last

581
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:57.880
minute, and I know Nolan has
something to say, go ahead, No,

582
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:01.320
there's a lot of thought. That
says the whole SLA so being Lee's

583
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:07.400
Liberation Army, that's who allegedly kidnapped
Patty Hurst, that was an MK Ultra

584
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:13.840
project as well, and that that
would then make that would then that would

585
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:19.079
then make sense that the Zodiac wrote
a letter in regards to the February nineteen

586
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:22.320
seventy four abduction of Patty Hurst,
and he referred to SLA as being the

587
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:28.199
Norse word for kill a friend.
So that is running in tandem, he

588
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.440
writes, at the same time she's
abducted, So we are now seeing the

589
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:37.519
inclusiveness of the Zodiac. Randolph Hurst, this whole entire political agenda that is

590
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:43.639
occurring, the projects that are happening
in the CIA with Artichoke, mk Ultra,

591
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.480
paper Clip, Bluebird, you name
it. It's one big, massive

592
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:52.400
front for project after project for them
to get what it is that they're looking

593
00:48:52.440 --> 00:49:00.280
to do to society and to the
public at large. It's experiments and your

594
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:07.440
control, because isn't enough. The
ultimate goal is to control behavior exactly normally

595
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:10.920
do right? Right? All right, you guys, well, I thank

596
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:15.239
you all again for being here.
The songs were absolutely amazing. Hopefully we

597
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:19.760
can come back next week and I
can figure out who John Faggio is,

598
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.280
so if you can work on that
for me, Harriet, I appreciated.

599
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:29.360
All right, you guys, look, I want everybody it might be Fozzio.

600
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.719
You're right, so Fazzio Faggio and
I know that Laurence stated both ways

601
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:37.480
Fazzy or Foggio. But we'll figure
out who that is, folks for next

602
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:40.639
week. Everybody, have a wonderful
weekend, have a happy Halloween. Thank

603
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:44.719
you Harriet Nolan for being here.
Everybody, have a great day and we'll

604
00:49:44.719 --> 00:50:02.840
see you next Friday. Okay,
and think and family