DB Cooper and Zodiac Coincidences Part 2

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True Seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. I want
to welcome to the show this morning.

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Nolan del Campbell, good morning,
and Terry Batcher, Good morning, y'all.

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Good morning, actually good afternoon for
me. As you may know,

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I wanted to actually start by patronizing
my Sun today, so I'm wearing my

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shirt for him. It's some people
never meet their hero and I raised mind,

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which I absolutely love because he just
took a position in the Honor Guard,

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which I was very proud of him
doing. That's obviously a very complicated,

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I think emotionally complicated position to take
in the military when you are doing

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ceremonies for those that have passed away
or the retirement's probably not near as bad,

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but On one of his first assignments
he had, they were coming back

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from the Memorial Service and there was
a major car wreck on the freeway,

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and of course his troop popped out
to help everybody that was injured in the

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accident, and so he was then
given let's see if we can get that

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to show without the light on it. He was then given a challenge coin,

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which I thought, oh, yes, here, hold on, I'm

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going to go one more, which
I thought was pretty awesome, and it

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basically says that Black Nights ninety ninth, I'm sorry, nineteenth Mission Support Group,

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and the other side of it says, this is but a scratch presented

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by the commander for exemplary performance.
So I just wanted to give my son

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a shout out for being the amazing
man and soldier that he is, because

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we know how much or how little
I actually believe in what our military does

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sometimes, but there is obviously a
good use for them. Well, when

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my son said he was going to
be going into the military, right at

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a time when I'm thinking, well, that's fine. We haven't been in

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war for you know, sixty years
plus, and then we started having all

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the infighting with China and Russia,
and I was just like, Lord,

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not now exactly he is doing or
four different conflagrations right now. Oh yeah,

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I know well. And the other
side is that taking the honor guard

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position makes him unavailable for deployment at
least for six months. So he there's

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some good news though. Biden's dog
that he's got, his guard dog is

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biting all the Secret Service guys.
And they say animals know when you're a

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good guy and when you're not.
Well. I don't know. I think

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his animal might be confused. Is
a big problem, imagine to protect the

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commander in chief of He's so you're
saying, like that little sinility is going

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on with this dog too. I
think the dog picked up on it.

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It's confusing the dog. I don't
know. I thought, what funny I

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have a dog that's going as a
humor, I guess I felt. I

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don't know if you're a bit even
a puppy if it hurts, all right,

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But we're going to go back to
DBI Cooper and we're going to pick

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up where we left off. I'm
gonna go ahead and throw up this presentation.

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Oh go back hopping around here.
So, Terry, you had mentioned

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in one of your posts on the
message board that at on the Ramsey ransom

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note, but I don't recall the
words used in the Riverside phantom crimes.

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So I did address address a little
bit of that last week, which the

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AT was actually mentioned in the Kern
letter, which was a real estate agent

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that was killed down in the Los
Angeles area during the time of the Black

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Doll you stuff. So there is
a direct connection to the attache. I

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think the other attache the more I
thought about it was do you know how

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Zodiac is constantly breaking words to give
you a perception of something different than what

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it's actually skating? And I think
it was maybe where we saw it,

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and the d was separated enough to
again imply attache by itself. And I'm

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going to go back, I guess
at some point, and probably at the

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end of the presentation I actually wrap
up all the different statements and connections of

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statements that were made so that everybody
can see how many times it's been made

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through these communications. Go ahead,
Terry, I had one quot note.

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Notice if the word ach is included
in attache, the last four letters are

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ac H for the word a right
and in fact, on the Ramsey.

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Note he hence you ache to John
Ramsey with the structure of the way he

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set that up, He's most definitely
saying you ache with the way he's So

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if all intention was to get the
word you ache, also involved well,

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and the attention was to make the
intention was to make him ache as well,

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obviously, like he's getting pierced through
the heart is the way it structure

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the whole area of the well.
You went on to say, I did

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pick up on the hospital reference,
but I was thinking that it might have

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yet an additional meeting. Do you
know what that was? Run that by

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me? Again, I didn't question
I did pick up on the hospital reference,

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but I was thinking it might have
yet an additional meaning. I'd have

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to think of that. It's been
a long time since I wrote anything about

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d V. Cooper. Yes,
but let me think on that for a

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lot. I'm not kind of an
of the moment. So you also went

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on to say Jay Edgar Hoover wanted
to be the main central intelligence agency.

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He worked hard to undermine the CIA
in those days. Early Hoover operations were

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mostly for publicity and grand standing in
order to get more funding. He denied

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that there was mafia. Well,
Mary Hoover, you know, what are

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you gonna do a cross dresser?
You know the guy was a cross dresser.

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Well here, ok on Sundays number
one, there are a couple of

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dandies. You know he was there
both games. Okay, Okay, let's

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not I don't want to really hop
off onto Hoover was because he denied that

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there was mafia when Bobby Kennedy and
others brought it up. Hoover died in

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May of seventy two and probably very
bugged by the Cooper Caper. This link

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to the Cooper Caper is one of
the stronger pieces of evidence that shows a

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Zodiac Jack CIA military connection. For
a long time now, I've strongly suspected

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a military overtone in the Ramsey murder, and it's fairly clear that the Cooper

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Capers linked to seven twenty seven air
drops in the Vietnam War. Certainly,

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the anthrax case shows a government and
military inside connection, right any comments on

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that, you guys, Well,
it speaks for itself, you know,

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But thould just point out that Hoover's
budget was huge and CIA MSA budgets were

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very small, so it might they
grew bigger, and a lot of their

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budgets were secret too. Nobody really
knew how much they were getting. How

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much funny those agencies got very good
point yep, I agree. So then

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we continued on to speak a little
bit more about what we knew at that

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point in time. I had written, he also quoted Lake Tacoma at twenty

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thousand feet and the nearby air Force
base. And this is Cooper who is

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in the plane mentioning Lake Tacoma at
twenty thousand feet, and he mentions the

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number of feet in the air,
and he mentions Lake Tacoma, and he

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mentions a nearby air Force base.
This shows technical knowledge or personal knowledge as

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it were, that plane seen zigzagging
over the area previous to the crime.

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So I pulled out something I had
found in Jack's belongings, which before I

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even knew anything about the dB Cooper
case, I thought this was pretty astounding.

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That too. Jack had a picture
from the air and he then wrote

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on the back of it, Tom
Lake altitude thirty five thousand feet. Interesting,

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that's cool, that's a very good
find, right, Like So,

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yeah, so he's not only stating
what he sees the lake, but he's

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also stating the altitude that they're at
when it occurs. And that's what Cooper,

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what's that? It would have been
on a jet at thirty five thousand

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feet, a passive more likely a
passenger jet. But any you know I'd

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been to the usually cruising about thirty
five thousand, right. You went on

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to say, right on, I
did read the fact, that fact and

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have been meaning to add it to
the list. He also correctly stated the

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distance of the nearest air Force base
too, So that was one more piece

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I did not realize, is that
he stated the distance to that air Force

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base. I have to clean the
FBI and other reports too, because there

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were several other specific demands he made
that weren't publicized. Clearly Cooper knew exactly

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what he was doing. I'm leaning
toward what your point is about the tracking

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of the serial numbers on the bills. The airline might not have liked them

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track for fear of reprisal by Cooper. I'd need more info, but it

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does seem likely that the Federal Reserve
to have kept track of all the bills

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they get in. It may have
been tasked to each reserve bank that issued

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their notes. And you're you're meaning
the tracking of the dB Cooper money.

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Yeah, and whether they actually did
it or not. Some people say no

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and something, But how do you
really know unless you are on the inside

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track, you know, Okay,
did they keep track of these? Did

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the bills come back or not?
You know, it's like when you're right

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here, Yeah, some of the
bills were found by a young kid who's

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out I think camping with his dad, or yeah, we're gonna well we're

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going to get to that, but
we're gonna have again, or never came

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back again. So all that right, Well, but I think it was

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something like fifty eight hundred dollars that
was found. We're talking two hundred thousand

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that was extorted, So there's a
big number that is missing there, right.

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So Terry b went on to say, I'll add this point to the

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list of points that show how very
sophisticated the Cooper Caper truly was. And

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this is a very obvious point that
most people would probably take for granted,

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but here it goes by Cooper stating
his goal was to get to Mexico.

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That ploy allowed him to slip in
a much earlier jump in the southwest area

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of Washington State, area undetected.
So so what I mean if he was

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going to jump, he was likely
going to jump at whatever point he was

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going to jump in getting to Mexico. How did that play into him jumping

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any earlier? Well that was his
ex Well that the Mexico is a leap

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of logic. His first goal was
to go to Reno, Nevada and from

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there to Mexico. That's what the
story says. So that's so him him

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stating that may to distract attention.
Right, it's a distraction. That's a

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right, gotcha. Generally it was
used as apparently used as a distraction.

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Oh yes, go ahead, Well
we will look at today the predictor from

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the Zodiac about I believe this crime. I can tell you that the taunt

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just previous to the Cooper Caper was
the birds fly south five five, five

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and three of five. There are
two communications supporting this and probably why I

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picked up on the Cooper Caper.
To begin with five, five five can

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be set as three fives and three
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Zodiac may have literally been telling them
what and where. Now. Of course

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it was a year in advance.
I said I need to take these communications

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in order to maintain a level of
cross connection connection or I will miss something

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important like flight three oh five,
which I have in my notes. So

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here it is we see the letters
or the cutout letters, which we know

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that dB Cooper also sent in cut
out communications, and it says the bird

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is to fly south. Right there, it says flight five five five,

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which is really three fives right,
three of five three h five. The

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hint in the insinuation is there.
And then here on the next one that

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he sends in for November is a
flight three of a kind, So three

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of a five or three oh five
three. I mean, you just keep

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going back to that same rhetoric.
Now, I did notice that he'd put

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in the second communication see Harry Ought, which makes it appear like he's trying

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to write the word chariot. So
I started looking to see if I could

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find anything on a hairy ot.
The only thing I really could come up

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with was some individuals from New York
who made it big in the let's call

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it the pepsi business or the soda
business, and they actually began and expanded

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right on into Canada. So I
thought, wow, that one's kind of

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it's close to what we think is
going on. But does anybody know anybody

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named Harry Ought? Harriet? He
said, Harriet find me. Now.

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The part that I didn't understand when
I first read this message was it says,

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see, Harry Ought, can be
And I was like, can be?

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What? Well? That kind of
reminded me of the JFK stuff where

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it said check or perhaps it could
be Howard or Spencer. Right, So

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I feel like he's calling out an
individual's name here and he's saying it can

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be Harry Ought or Harry Cott.
I tried looking up Harry Coott as well.

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I tried different variances because we know
the anagramming that's going on. That's

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going on. What's the word next
to Oswald on the top of that ruby

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link ruby to Oswald Ruby. No, that's not on the bottom, but

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on the top line it says Oswald. And there's another word there, oh

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Oswald case. Okay, okay,
Yeah. So this is the This is

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the zodiac writing a letter to the
Dallas PD back in sixty three, right

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after the murder of JFK, and
he is giving what I believe is inside

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information. I mean, at this
point in time, he's saying check either

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Howard or Spencer. I think Howard, maybe E Howard Hunt. I'm not

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sure about the Spencer. Perhaps Howard
Spencer linked Ruby to Oswald. So and

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Harriet did do a solve that could
be E. Howard Hunt, or it

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could also be Howard Hughes. What
did he have to do with everything?

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Wow? His uh right hand man
Mayhew was a thug and ties to organized

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crime. And there's theories that that
Mayhew was involved in the Kennedy assassination and

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the planning. Oh hard, he
is a lot of power. But both

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these documents that obviously are very cryptic, very you know, and uh,

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there's a lot that you could you
could sider and speculate and say, well,

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gee linked at the word train.
He's got that, you know,

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So you go, you go around
on It's obviously and obviously cryptic. So

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I guess the information. I had
it right there on my presentation and didn't

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pay attention, but Harry caught so
I tip took the c since it looked

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so separated from the Harry Hot part, and I put it on the back.

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That's how I came up with the
big soda business in New York that

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expanded into Canada. And we do
know that there is definitely a link to

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Canada in these in these communications.
That's why I got another one that has

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fly ins. Come on, guys, somebody please fix my fly ins for

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me. I need to go in
and take all of this stuff off.

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Oh that's that's all right, that
works all right, all right. So

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basically I wanted to show everybody as
we've been going through this, we've been

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looking at certain aspects of the handwriting. But a few other things that caught

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my eye was the block letter writing
that was done in the Revolution letter by

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D. B. Cooper. We
can see that that particular block writing is

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a style that has been used throughout
the years in different communications, from the

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Lipstick Killer to Black Dahlia to the
Zodiac. Jack uses block writing himself in

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two pieces of communications that I have
shown here. But I also wanted to

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show you guys that the M is
another one of those standouts for me because

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they have the very very shallow middle
zone that has very long legs on that

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M. And when I went back
and pulled it up, we could find

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it in Black Dahlia, in Count
Marco, in the Zodiac, and even

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in the Christmas Card. Again that
very shallow mid section of the m that

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connects the two humps with long legs. Yeah, not to mention, I

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could see, And of course I
was working off a black and white copy

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at the time this historic preservation trolley
stamped from San Francisco. So I'm still

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trying to up down where it is
that they believed that Cooper was a Portland,

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organ resident when all the information I
have from the communication supports that he

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was here in California and they should
have been here looking for him. Few

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things to say about that upper left
hand corner document, Well, we're not

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on the document yet. We're not
on the document yet. I'm just talking

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about the fact that they they they
tried to state that they believed the Cooper

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suspect was a resident of Oregon,
and I never understood where they got that

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from. He didn't just write the
Oregonian. He also wrote the Reno Gazette,

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and he also used modesto be cutouts
in some of those communications. So

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what was it that pointed them to
Oregon as the possible place for the person

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that they were looking for as the
suspect? What he's saying, I'm right

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here in Portland, Portland, Oregon, for one thing. But he didn't

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mail this from pail, this from
California. Well, yeah, he jesusmitting

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from California, right, I mean, I'm right here in Portland, Oregon.

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So which is you know? But
there's a lot for me to say

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when we get to it. There's
a lot for me to point out about

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that document. Yes, absolutely,
all right. Well, and I also

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noted noted that when he made his
use, he made his use in this

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square fashion. That's exactly what Jack
did over here in the word vacuum.

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He used that square fashion in his
own personal handwriting. Uh so then we

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have this, Yeah, how do
we know that he used the modesto B

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in his cutouts? Is there is
there identified? There's information, Yes,

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there's information that talks about the the
cutouts that he used in order to mail

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one of the letters. When I
first started this, I only thought there

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was four letters in the dB Cooper
case. Terry has shown me I was

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dead wrong. We have lots of
letters in the dB Cooper case. It's

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kind of it's kind of as ridiculous. And he's that chatty Kathy in this

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particular case, just like he was
in the Zodiac, Like he just could

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not shut up. He was listening
to listen. Wow. One real quick

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point about the pictures the composite you
have the one that Bruce Smith came up

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that he said was more accurate.
Looks more like Jack than any of these.

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If you ever see it, I
haven't. Yeah, he's got it,

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I think in his book and he's
put it on his he's posted online.

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But looks more like looks more like
Jack tarns any of this does,

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But go ahead, okay. Well. November twenty third, nineteen seventy one,

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Dan Cooper extorted an airline out of
Washington that for a flight to Reno,

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Nevada, two hundred thousand dollars and
four parachutes. The composite with the

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dark glasses was the initial description given, and when the FBI produced the composite

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without glasses, Zodiac wrote in to
tell them that they got it wrong.

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Kind of speaks volumes to me,
since we know that throughout the process of

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Zodiac communications, if you've got it
wrong, he's going to tell you and

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he's going to correct you because he
wants the credit for what he's doing.

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Great. This is some more information
that I found I thought was interesting.

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It says after the money and the
parachutes were brought aboard. The thirty five

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other passengers, along with two of
the stewardesses, Shaffner and Handcook, were

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released. The man in eighteen e
instructed the plane to take off again.

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He directed the plane's route pass over
Portland and Medford in Oregon and Red Bluff,

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California, before landing in Reno,
Nevada. So, I mean,

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if they don't really know when he
jumped, or I mean, does anybody

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really know when he jumped? Oh, yes, that's that's that's not a

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foil file. That's the main point
that I've been making about. He jumped

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just west of Lestter, Washington,
and two sources confirmed that on the foil

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file. Oh, a Portland based
radar and the pilot, because the pilot

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could tell when he jumped off the
back of the stairs because it affected the

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flight. So he jumped, and
he was he was actually trying to crowd

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closer to the ocean than the sea
tack route, also hoping that the guy

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would you know, end up with
his parachute in the ocean if he jumped

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off early. But so it's well
documented. But the okay, the brass

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went back and said no, he
jumped there, dear Aeriel and okay,

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okay, I just want to I
just wanted a simple answer, Nolan,

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go ahead, yes, uh where
did the plane land for him to get

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the money in the parachute? Seattle, Washington or Spokane Okay? Okay,

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Spokane, Okay, Okay, Okay, yeah, Spokane Okay. So basically

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it says they want He wanted them
to pass over Portland and Medford in Oregon

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and Red buff California, before landing
in Reno, Nevada, to refuel,

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then onto Yuma, Arizona, to
refuel again, and then head to Mexico.

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So he had an entire flight plan
made up and had no intentions of

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actively following that flight plan. To
me, that is very reminiscent of Lipstick

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and John Vona Ramsey, in which
case the instruction said, if you follow

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this to the tee, you'll get
your daughter back. However, those children

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were already dead. There was no
intention to actually return those children. So

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just like this plan here where it's
a oh, I want you to take

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this route and we're going to go
this direction. He was jumping out well

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before they even got to Reno,
right. Yeah. He also instructed pilots

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that the aircraft was to remain below
ten thousand feet, maintain minimal speed,

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and keep flaps and landing gear lowered. Uh see Himmel's back also considered another

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detail. The request to have the
plane flown at the altitude of ten thousand

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feet was telling at ten thousand feet
the cabin would not be pressurized. If

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Cooper cracked the rear door of the
jet, he would not get sucked out.

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Engineers there informed them that the Bowie
seven seven was used by Air America,

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the CIA cutout in Vietnam. The
plane has been flown this way.

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There's been large boxes of two to
three thousand pounds dropped through the door in

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this configuration. So this is something
the CIA consistently used to make drops obviously

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to their to their people, right
the plane departed, people knew about that

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and that if it flew at that
level, that altitude, that it wouldn't

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that those planes could flat that altitude
and have the gear lowered and the doors

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open and not have to worry about
it correct, Which shows that inside information

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that Terry B keeps talking about and
the CIA affiliation that I state, that

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is where where Jack is getting his
knowledge to write in about the JFK thing.

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You're obviously part of the CIA or
the mob. You're one of those,

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you know something, So the other
people don't know the plane parted.

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Kill me, Terry B I'm sorry, hold on, I'm gonna reach through.

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I have to talk about so I
know. I know. The plane

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departed at three oh seven pm Pieters
Pacific standard time. As soon as the

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plane was airborne, Cooper handed a
note to Florence Schaffner, thinking he was

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just a salesman hitting her, hitting
on her. So if he handed her

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a note, I was under the
impression that the stewardess wrote the bomb note.

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Well that's Schaffner did not make the
flight, so what kind of he

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asked for that note back? He
demanded that note back, so they did

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not keep possession of that note.
He handed the chaff see and I'm getting

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to think he wanted his hand writing
out there. No, he wanted it

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back. He demanded it back.
Sad, you give me this note back,

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and he put this He put the
real fear on Schaffner. That's another

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story. So this is my thing. I talked with Bruce Smith distinctly about

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the handwritten note. He claimed that
the stewardess wrote it. Why would Cooper

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ask for the note back if the
stewardess wrote it. He made two notes.

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He made his note and said,
here, copy this and Orr hand

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this to him, and you hand
it back to me. He's looking for

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them to follow his instructions, that's
right. So he handed the note to

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Florence Schaffner, thinking he was just
a salesman hitting on her. She put

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the note in her uniform pocket and
continued about her business. The next time

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she passed, he motioned for her
to come closer and whispered to her,

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you better read it. I have
a bomb. He nodded toward the brief

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case in his lap. In his
lap, Schaffner went to the galley,

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read the note, and shared it
with bellow attendant Tina Mucklow. The exact

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wording of the note Cooper handed Schaffner
is lost because he asked for it back

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and took it with him. He
made her dictate the demands and take them

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to the cockpit. See so again, dictate or made write them. There's

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your visual and then there's one she
wrote. So therefore, all notes were

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in the stewardess's hand. In subsequent
FBI debriefs. It was agreed that these

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are Cooper's exact words as spoken to
Schaffner. Take this down. I want

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two hundred thousand by five pm and
cash put in in a knapsack. I

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want two back parachutes and two front
parachutes when we land. I want a

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fuel truck ready to refeel. No
funny stuff or I'll do the job.

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That I'll do the job is so
Zodiac ask I'm afraid to talk. I

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want to get slapped in. No, you're not. I paused. I

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paused what you got to say,
Terry, what you got to say?

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I forgot what I was gonna say. No, I'm just kidding right there.

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No funny stuff or I'll do the
job. Come on now, Like

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how many references? Is a Shaffner
had the health scare it out of her

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and Bruce thinks that she was sexually
molested and she ended up becoming a nun

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and would not talk to anybody about
the stuff for years. I may be

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wrong about the days I pretty flow. Shaffner huh so, yeah, Well,

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it seems like anybody who's had an
experience with Zodiac has definitely changed their

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their ways and ability to speak to
anyone afterwards. All right, So under

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the configurations, the hijacker wants flap
at fifteen degrees, landing gear down,

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the jet will be moving extremely slow, the fuel burn will be tremendous.

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The Northwest pilots will need to land
several times to make it to the Mexican

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border. So I was, I
was reading a little bit about this,

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and it said that the pilots didn't
even know that the plane could do this,

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right, nobody, And the people
that were making the flights over Southeast

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Asia Cambodia said knew that plane.
And I'll bet y'all Jeffrey Epstein knew that

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that plane to do that too when
he bought that's what he was using to

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go to a Litlita Island later on
that too, Well, somebody notated obviously

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D. B. Cooper was a
man who prepared for this hijacking. Even

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if he didn't jump, which I
believe was his plan all along, he

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had enough knowledge to know he would
have to land and refuel many times due

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to the speed and altitude. As
Captain Scott gets final clearances, D B.

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Cooper calls from the rear of the
plane, let's get the show on

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the road. Huh. Miss Tina
Mucklow, stewardess is forwarded or forced to

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help D. B. Cooper as
the rest of the folks left on board

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and are hurried into the cabin.
The plane was airborne at seven thirty four

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pm. Tina showed D. B. Cooper how to operate the aft stairs.

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Oh come on, now, Tina, Cooper had to show him.

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He knew how what level to fly
at, he knew what speed, he

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knew what degree of the and she
needed to show him. Okay. D

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B. Cooper's last instructions were to
close the curtains behind coach in first class

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and head to the cockpit. Her
last glimpse of Cooper was him tying the

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money bag around his waist. So
it does go on to say the flight

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had originated in Washington, d C. And stopped at Minneapolis, Minnesota,

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Great Balls, Montana, Missoula,
Montana, Spokane, Washington and Portland.

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Where did they come up with Portland? I didn't even see that in the

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in the you know some of this
stuff. It's been a while, but

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I'm going to tell you some of
this stuff. I think you want to

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take. Be very careful with the
information they're handing at this point, right,

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you know what I'm saying, and
just keep an open mind that maybe

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you're getting there something that they're getting
twisted around here. I'm you know,

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I'm not saying that was certain.
I'm just saying that's the way you got

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to handle some of this stuff.
Because some of this I wonder, for

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instance, IM going to introject a
simple point. This pilot would have known

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with the way was setting up that
plane to expect that Cooper was going to

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jump out soon. You know what
I'm saying. Right the second that he

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opened that he's hanging at the plane, the jetob appeared to be hanging in

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the air set up like you want
to test that. Go out of the

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airport and watch the big jets land
where they're burning off the last of their

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fuel. They got their flaps on, they got the power up, and

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they look like they're almost floating in
like they're and hot air blue and they're

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not coming in fast at all.
It happens regularly. I did see that

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they again with the information. This
is almost like where the bulow goes out

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for the black mail in the presidio
killing of Paul Stein. The transmission or

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the radio transmission, the TTISE transcript
of the radio transmission indicated three zero five

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passenger advice is hijacking en route to
use are These are shorthand for people who

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know what it means. Knapsack by
five pm. Bottom line, what it

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says is the t T transcription of
the radio message from Captain Scott to Seattle

408
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.839
flight operators. Somehow the request for
the front shoots was admitted from the transcript

409
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:12.839
but was included in the radio transmission, so he did get his two front

410
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.680
chutes, but somehow it's missing from
the TTY that went over and the information

411
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:22.279
that was delivered says after the money
and parachutes were brought aboard, the thirty

412
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.960
five other passengers, along with two
the stewardesses, Shaftner and Hancock, were

413
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.680
released, the oh, I already
read that one. I don't know how

414
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:31.079
I've had that on there twice.
The rain is light, the wind speed

415
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:36.160
is ten knots from the southeast,
Clouds are scattered at twenty five hundred feet,

416
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.240
visibility is seven miles, and the
night is black. At seven forty

417
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:46.640
two pm, when the plane was
about fourteen nautical miles south of c the

418
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:52.599
pilots got an indicator light indication the
aft door was open. At eight twelve

419
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.319
pm, the pilots noticed the plane
was oscillating, as if Cooper was on

420
00:32:55.359 --> 00:33:00.799
the aft stairs. The oscillations were
not felt after eight thirty teen PM.

421
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.720
At this time, the plane was
over Clark County, Washington, about twenty

422
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:08.519
five miles north of the Columbian River
near Vancouver, Washington and Portland, Oregon.

423
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:14.200
So is that consistent with where you
think he jumped. It's consisting that

424
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.920
might be off by about ten minutes. As I recall, it was more

425
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:21.519
like a t I thought it was
eight seventeen or eight twenty that that the

426
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.079
FOIA files claimed that, you know
that both the pilot he could be wrong

427
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:31.000
as well, and the radar about
right by the center. But he definitely

428
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:37.039
didn't. The point is is he
didn't jump anywhere near Merwin. Merwin is

429
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.640
Merwin Dam and Ariel, Washington,
where he get a pine tree up his

430
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:46.599
tail. You know. He jumped
by the area. Yeah, And if

431
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:51.519
he's going to do this, he
definitely had to be precise about where he

432
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.400
was going to jump where and when. I think he wanted to live,

433
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:59.480
like Jerry's saying, he didn't want
to die. He wanted to live right,

434
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.799
yeah, yeah, yeah, so
Terry, you were correct. I

435
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:06.200
think that he did not want his
balloon not tickled, right exactly, you

436
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.159
don't want to you wanted to get
that get a pine tree in suppository form?

437
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.760
Does the cabin temperature drop to seven
below zero as the onboard warning light

438
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.800
indicated that the rear carter door had
been opened and dB Cooper was gone.

439
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.119
A pair of Air Force F one
oh six A assigned to the three hundred

440
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:30.639
and eighteenth Fighter Interceptor Squadron at mctored
Mactured Air Force Base, Washington, were

441
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.239
flying about two miles behind the seven
twenty seven, keeping it within sight.

442
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:39.000
The pilots never saw anything drop from
the seven to twenty seven. Come on,

443
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:45.519
now, guys, nothing. I
saw the plane, but they didn't

444
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:52.400
see the jumper in a parachute.
Huh right, He probably countered off on

445
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.159
a you know, counted so much
and then pulled a pulled the rip card

446
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:59.000
right before it was you know,
pull the shoe closer to the ground,

447
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:01.320
you know that kind of Well,
it's it's a really dark, so they

448
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:06.599
could see the plane from the plane's
lights. Dan Cooper didn't have lights on

449
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.599
him, so maybe they didn't see
him. I think they should see him.

450
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:14.559
I think he slipped higher off the
back of the plane and they're not

451
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:25.559
following exactly. You know, I
go ahead with your thoughts. We got

452
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.960
it. At this point, no
one knew whether he was still on the

453
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.519
plane, said Joe Martin, a
retired Washoe County Sheriff's deputy. Now,

454
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:37.400
this is, of course they're in
Reno, Nevada now, and and interesting

455
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.960
that at this point in time that
Jack is or Cooper is wanting to take

456
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.039
this flight to Reno when we know
that Jack is actively, you know,

457
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:52.679
surfacing around these areas for for the
most part of his life and retired.

458
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:54.760
Okay, so we all took up
positions. I was at the north end

459
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.760
of the runway. The plane went
right over us and landed. That's when

460
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.360
we found out he was gone.
On after landing, the pilot again radio

461
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:07.440
tower. The hijacker took leave of
us somewhere between Reno and Seattle. What

462
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:19.119
is that area? But when you
said Seattle and Reno, I don't know.

463
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:27.559
It said that he took leave of
us somewhere between Reno and Seattle,

464
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:32.480
like it should have been Seattle and
Reno because they came from Seattle area to

465
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:37.719
Reno. But either way, but
if they talked to the pilot and the

466
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.760
pilot knew when the plane shifted,
and so the pilot had an idea when

467
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:46.280
he joked, right, and it
was before the Columbia River where cuts east

468
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:51.960
west. Yeah, so to say
Reno and in Seattle that like you said,

469
00:36:52.079 --> 00:37:00.639
large large area law enforcement police search, sorry, law enforcement using police

470
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:05.199
dog search the airport grounds. A
search was also launched in a nearby Reno

471
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:09.079
neighborhood. So again, why are
they searching areas if they have a distinct

472
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:15.000
idea When this individual drums all that
was found in the plane was right,

473
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:23.119
all the all that was found go
ahead, good because it's because it's typical

474
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:27.760
of how they operated their narratives.
They're switching to it. They switched to

475
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.920
a narrative. The FBI switched to
a narrative and stayed on a narrative.

476
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:37.719
They weren't telling atcha okay, drama, we're heroes here, look at at

477
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.039
you know. Gave them something to
do, you know, and put them

478
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:45.639
put them in the news. Almost
busy work. It gave him some busy

479
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:50.360
work. It says, all that
was found in the plane was a clip

480
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.280
on black tie and a mother of
pearl tie tac Cooper had been wearing two

481
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:59.480
of the four parachutes and several cigarette
butts. The flight crew was questioned by

482
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.840
the FBI and spent the night at
the Mapes Hotel before departing Reno the next

483
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.039
day. So then it goes in
and it starts to talk about the letters.

484
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.039
But we're gonna get to the letters
here shortly. We did actually see

485
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:15.800
an airplane ticket. Yes, isn't
it amazing that they like used to let

486
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:21.199
people smoke on flights. Well,
that's nineteen seventy one. I know,

487
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.760
I know people smoking restaurants, right, it's a different error. It was

488
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:31.400
a totally different era. I never
really understood the smoking in restaurants part because

489
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.760
you could be in the smoking section
on one side of the booth, and

490
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.119
on the opposite side of the booth
you could have your children in the non

491
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:45.480
smoking area. Never made any sense. I always hated that smell. That's

492
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:51.280
me. Well, it just that's
silly. If you're in a restaurant and

493
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.480
it's open air to everybody, then
you're in a smoking restaurant. If they're

494
00:38:54.480 --> 00:39:01.440
smoking inside, period. So you're
a sama good good to bars and come

495
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:07.239
home and you're closed with smoke like
tobacco smoke, cigarette smoke, exactly exactly.

496
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:13.639
I did pull up some of the
images of the flight on the ground

497
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:19.039
in Reno, or maybe this was
in Washington when it was loading. I'm

498
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.239
not sure what's going on there.
We have some of the stewardess and the

499
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.519
captain, the co pilot. We
have the ticket here that it looks like

500
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:30.719
that Dan Cooper purportedly wrote his name
on, though they've really cut out most

501
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.400
of the information, so we can't
even tell where this ticket was purchased.

502
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.119
And still information I would love to
figure out. Now, this is kind

503
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.039
of what you were talking about here, Terry B. Right, is this

504
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:46.159
flight path in which he was purportedly
supposed to have jumped out you were saying

505
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:51.800
Merwin Lake? Is that what you
were saying? Merwin Lake, Merwin Dam

506
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:55.719
areas where they pretended to look for
where he was at there jump anywhere near

507
00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:01.039
there, their own documents proved after
he jump after that. Yeah. Well,

508
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:06.599
but also the flight path doesn't even
look to even go over the Merwin

509
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:10.960
Lake area, right right, Well, let me say itself, They and

510
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:16.599
they and you just reported what the
pathway was the crosswind Well, they say

511
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:22.679
it was what southeast what you said
earlier. Yes, it's all fishing.

512
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:29.800
It's easy for a person to research
this stuff and detect that this one it

513
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:35.639
switched from the truth to a narrative. That's their favorite mo as a narrative.

514
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.119
Well, I do. I do
know that Dennis talked about early on,

515
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:44.039
long before I even discovered what was
going on with dB Cooper, before

516
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.000
I even knew this was a crime
or anything else, Dennis had been telling

517
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:52.599
me that Jack had been taking flight
lessons during the seventies with a friend or

518
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:58.440
the sixties, late sixties seventies that
he proclaimed he admitted to knowing Arthur Lee

519
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:02.000
Allen, who also was a So
this could have been them in small aircraft

520
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.519
making these jogs back and forth with
the approximate week in advance of the dB

521
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:15.920
Cooper kper Probably so the original suspected
landing zone. We do see the flight

522
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.639
path, We see where the fifty
eight hundred was found on Tina Bar,

523
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:25.079
We see the original suspected landing zone. So again they're still reporting somewhere around

524
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:29.280
Lake Merwin. And you're saying this
is heavily forested, right, Terry,

525
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.480
right exactly, Yeah, it wouldn't
make any sense. I certainly wouldn't want

526
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:37.880
that needle. I think this is
actually something that you had put together now

527
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:42.559
you had posted this on the message
board. Did you put together this three

528
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:46.719
D image from Google? Or was
this suck this was yours? Or I

529
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:51.079
copied that somebody'd already made it and
I just copied it and put it on

530
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:58.719
your board. But it's essentially showing
you the vo R path that the flight

531
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:02.719
path. So right there is I
think in the middle you see that BTG

532
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:07.920
v O R ab out in the
middle that stands for the battleground. V

533
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:12.719
O R v O rs is what
they fly from one point to another,

534
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:19.079
and that's a very high frequency signal
that aircraft can follow, so they follow

535
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.559
these. So that's an established flight
path that they would use a normal flightpath.

536
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:28.559
But uh, that kind of if
you look at an overall map,

537
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:35.800
you see that battleground is much further
south of Lake Merwin or an aerial as

538
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:42.119
well. Yes, so they're saying
that he jumps somewhere between the melee fix

539
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:49.920
and the big bt G v O
r R that all looks heavily wooded like,

540
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.920
even from the Melee fix all the
way to there. So where would

541
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:59.639
you suspect that he will have but
closer to that as I recall working on

542
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:06.079
I did as what eight ten years
ago, but closer to the battleground VLR

543
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:12.800
area. But I believe that the
right here, right right next to the

544
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:17.119
Highway five. Yeah, they did. For instance, the pilot did not

545
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.320
necessarily have to follow that exact flight
path. If he can pick up a

546
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.760
vor that's further down south, he
can skip that one, and he can

547
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:30.920
make a he can make a straight
line from the Melee Fix all the way

548
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:35.840
past and the west of where battleground
is. You see what I'm saying.

549
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.400
He doesn't have to be on that
exact flight and he states that he wasn't,

550
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:44.599
and that's going to push us over
more aware to the left Portland radar.

551
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.599
And the pilot said that he distinctly
jumped out of a plane. There's

552
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:53.119
something to point out about the last
page that they had just a something food

553
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:58.320
for thought. And notice the way
that the last page you had up and

554
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:04.639
that notice the pilot stands there was
hands crossed right keyy say, it reminds

555
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:08.880
me of a funeral director, right, that's kind of like saying it's the

556
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:12.679
message to me. As he said, well, I've been told to get

557
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:19.440
my mouth shut and not say anything
the audience hands closed or closed up.

558
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.360
I mean body language does speak volumes. Yeah, yes, exactly, and

559
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.880
they'll tell you all if you don't
make eye contact, Oh you're probably lying,

560
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.280
that's BS. But when you cut
your hands crossed, you're standing there

561
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:37.199
like you're a funeral director. Well
you know your shut. Well that brings

562
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:42.280
us to the actual note that was
purportedly written in the stewardess's hand. dB

563
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.280
Cooper Where Are You with Bruce Smith
had put this image up. I do

564
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:49.239
have lots of images actually from it. I'm going to go back and see

565
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:52.239
if I can insert some of them
into this as we begin to talk about

566
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.119
it. This information that I'm about
to give you is actually taken from the

567
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:01.039
dB Cooper Where Are You documentary with
thro Smith. Of course, Rackstraw is

568
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:06.559
his main suspect that he does.
He does actually name off several other suspects

569
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:10.119
and why they have been excluded as
possible suspects in this crime. Again,

570
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:15.679
he doesn't take knowledge to any of
the communications that are purportedly written by dB

571
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:20.760
Cooper, and I think that's possibly
because the handwriting will not match his his

572
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.239
suspect and in order to fit the
narrative, like Terry is saying, you

573
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:29.000
got to change that narrative. Of
course, those letters in his mind were

574
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.880
not written by dB Cooper, and
there's no proof. Well one question in

575
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:36.440
that though. I always thought,
and as a statement, when you look

576
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.719
at that one that's written by the
stewardess there, notice some of the devices

577
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:44.679
I call device as you have her
on, Notice how I'm thinking. Then

578
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:49.159
we get to the point. I'm
thinking that she tried to write her note

579
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.800
as similar as she could to the
handwriting that Jack laid down. So I'm

580
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:58.000
seeing some of his devices like that
lope pede, that pete that he's got

581
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.880
lower left hand corner, or the
bees with the very vertical stems to him

582
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:06.519
in just something and his little eye
there with it looks like a little boat.

583
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.039
It doesn't look like i'd be a
woman's handwriting normally speaking, that her

584
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:15.159
handwriting would have much more of an
even and smooth and beautiful flow to it.

585
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:17.960
You're not always, but you know
what I'm saying is not always where

586
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:23.559
is this? Or not always?
She was probably pretty nervous at that too,

587
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:28.320
that too write the point. Yeah, yeah, I think right here

588
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:31.159
says you set by me, and
then we've got this unintelligible word here that

589
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:35.400
we're not really quite sure what it
says. Probably alludes to what Nolan just

590
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:39.679
said, is that she is extremely
nervous trying to jot down this message.

591
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:47.920
Told me to write it in a
piece of paper upon his requests, so

592
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.119
it wasn't dictated to her verbally obviously, is what I'm saying. If if

593
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:57.480
we want to study the note right
now, because she it puts in my

594
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:05.920
briefcase, plus you know that would
be Zodiac and yeah, her writing the

595
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:10.000
word and so in other words,
she might have mimicked you're right, and

596
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:15.159
that an sign is a stereotypical use
for the word and in all of the

597
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:20.519
Zodiac communications exactly. That's my point. That's gotcha. So the day before

598
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:25.800
Thanksgiving November twenty, nineteen seventy right
November twenty third, nineteen seventy one,

599
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.239
northwest Orient seven to twenty seven.
Flight three oh five was skyjacks from Seattle,

600
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:35.400
Washington actually from mid flight and circled
for two and a half hours until

601
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.039
the extortion demands were ready on the
ground. The flight plans of flight three

602
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:42.440
oh five was Washington d C.
Oh, it does, it does.

603
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:45.800
It was supposed to have ended in
Portland, Oregon, but clearly they never

604
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:50.559
made that stop. But it talks
about those flight plans for it where it

605
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.119
originates in d C and ends in
Portland. Organ Tom Colbert from the news

606
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:58.760
media, I wondered half if this
guy wasn't kind of like Tom Boyd of

607
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.920
the Zodiac. He's the for the
dB Cooper Kaper. The passenger was Bill

608
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:08.760
Mitchell, a college sophomore from Portland. Stewardess Florence Schaffner who printed again.

609
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:14.159
So we now know Tina printed the
note. Based on the information we've read,

610
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Cooper made one of the stewardesses rite
this note so that his handwriting couldn't

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be left behind. So you guys
are saying he gave her his note,

612
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she then copied, mimicked that note, and then turned that note into what

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the captain to the pilots. Right, And even though Cooper the original eve

614
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that thing you said, if it
was intelligible or you couldn't read it,

615
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there was squiggle. That's another Zodiact
that things screamed Zodiact jact. But it

616
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does not look like it is handwriting. And you are the expert. Actually,

617
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the the boat I got my attention
is what it caused me to engage

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Bruce Smith in regards to the communications, just so that I could determine which

619
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ones had been actively written. If
you're saying that you're looking at some of

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that stuff as if she mimicked what
she was looking at in her writing,

621
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that boat eye was very, very
similar to what Jack does. But also

622
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that was the style in the learning
lesson of that era for the letter I.

623
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So there could be some truth to
that. Well, we're pretty much

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at our end, so we're not
going to climb into any more of this

625
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information. I think this was good
information to sort out and to figure out

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before we get into Bruce Smith's documentary
and start talking about suspects and letters,

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which we will do next week.
Does anybody have any last minute thoughts?

628
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Well, there's a lot of little
tantalizing footnotes this whole works, and I'll

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try to recall what they were,
so I'll make some notes for myself so

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next time we get together if I
have something to and I try not to

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interrupt you when you're talking, but
I'll get my big finger up. I

632
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just tried to through something, throw
something in there real quick for you anything,

633
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okay, question, how did you
know that they wouldn't sabotage the parachutes?

634
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I know, I know. He
actually actually no, no, no,

635
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Terry, Terry weel he asked it. Yep, we'll talk about it

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later. We are done you guys, everybody have a wonderful weekend and we'll

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see you all next Friday. Absolutely, thank you, Okay,