Jan. 31, 2025

ATKID Finale Part 2

ATKID Finale Part 2

Is Wayne Williams guilty? A plight from parents and a Senator to the Attorney General about why 22 child murder cases were closed without ever being tried continued? The Keddy Cabin murders in Plumas County turns Keddie, CA into a ghost town where...

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Is Wayne Williams guilty? A plight from parents and a Senator to the Attorney General about why 22 child murder cases were closed without ever being tried continued? The Keddy Cabin murders in Plumas County turns Keddie, CA into a ghost town where PG&E blasts through it’s new gas line?!? Sounds a bit like John Ramsey corporate takeover… Barring time, we will cover the John Walsh, ATKID, Rupert Murdoch, and Zodiac Killer connections.

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Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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Let's welcome Nolan del Campo to the show.

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Good morning, everybody, Good.

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Morning, How are you doing this fine Friday.

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I'm going great. Didn't want it to rain though, but.

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I hear we're going to have five days of it,

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of course, with a flood warning. Good morning, Harriet. Let's

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welcome Harriet to the show as well.

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We have good morning to you and Nolan.

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I can't wait to see if we actually have floods.

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But there's definitely flood watches coming across California right now,

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or at least they're sending those notes out all right. Well,

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last week we left off on the parents' plights and

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their sighting of reasons for civil rights violations in the Atlanta,

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Georgia child killer case. So we are going to pick

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up where we left off. And of course when I

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started reading these, what I didn't realize is that I

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was reading the actual victim's name and then the actual

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pirate statement in regards to that victim's death. So we

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left off with Aaron Jackson last week, and mister and

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missus Aaron Jackson would like to know why Wayne Williams

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was not investigated earlier when their son talked about a

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William's acquaintance of his The victim's testimony was given to police,

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but nevertheless ignored Louby Geeter, which we did see in

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the ghost writer communication that we read the Curse of

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One Louby is his parents. Missus Assi Geeterer is disturbed

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by the informality and in different manner in which business

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is carried out in the Homicide Division of the Atlanta

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Police Department. She reports that her son's case was only

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pursued when a family member, also a police officer, saw

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the report of Louby's death on a shelf unattended and

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took it upon himself to bring it to the attention

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of the proper authorities. So it's almost if to say

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they're not investating these child murders if they're African American period,

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they're just basically shelfing them. But this one was obviously

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brought back in by a police officer from the department

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and brought to the attention of others. Timothy Hill, another victim.

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His parents Missy missus Annie Hill, is disturbed by the

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way that people have smeared the reputations of the children.

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She desperately wants the closed cases open and brought to trial.

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In the Christopher Richardson case, Missus Selina Kobb is upset

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because of the blatant racism she experienced with the DeKalb

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police investigating officer who refused to come inside her home,

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but rather sent for her and proceeded to investigate the

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case as she sat in her As she sat in

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her patrol car, Missus Cobb does not believe that the

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rich white residence of Dunwoodie would have been treated in

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the like manner in the Patrick Rogers case, his mother says,

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missus Annie Rodgers believes that her son's rights were violent

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because Cobb County closed the case on her son Patrick,

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despite the fact that prosecution attorneys during the Wayne Williams

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trial stated publicly that they were not charging Wayne Williams

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with the death of Patrick Robert Rogers. Cobb County, however,

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reported that they Cobb do not have another suspect and

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have decided to close the case. Nolan, did we just

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close cases when they don't have a suspect? Op, I've

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lost you, I've lost your stuff.

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There.

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You are.

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Normal practice for police departments that, especially.

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Homicides, right, I mean, those have an unlimited right statute

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of limitations right ongoing, and you should still be collecting

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information and any type of leads. And yeah, so very

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odd that they're just willingly closing all of these cases.

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Is it's almost again we have an inclusion with law

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enforcement and the media to close these cases out without

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actively even investigating them or investigating the wrong person, as

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we've seen in so many other cases.

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Well, maybe some of the high ranking law enforcement are

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affiliated with some of the killers exactly.

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Well, that would be kind of my notion. I mean,

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when we look at the John Manne Ramsey case, just

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what an over zealous law enforcement team that attempted to

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pin all of this on the Ramseys, even though they

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had evidence that esculpt them. So same same. In the

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Earl Tarrel case, Missus Beverly Bell is concerned about many things,

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including the way the parents were treated, the fact that

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the bones of more than one body was often thrown

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together and aired on television. She too, desperately wants to

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wants the closed cases open and brought the trial so

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that other perpetrators may be brought to justice. So we've

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got somebody who believes there's more than one person in

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thee and then I absolutely believe it. In the Curtis

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Walker case, now this gets even more interesting. Missus Catherine

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Leech is enraged that the best kept secret from the

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public in the in this crisis is the brutal manner

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in which most of the children were mutilated. It is

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common to find among the bodies castrations, hands, amputated feet,

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amputated lips, and ears cut off, as well as part

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of the face. Why the secret It reads like old

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fashioned racist killings.

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That's gross, yes, sick.

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If it's reading like a racist killing, then we're back

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to it's a white person, not a black person like.

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Wayne Will a group of white people.

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Right, and then when we take a look at the

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fact that Wayne Williams was you know, was tried and

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convicted for two murders. Was there any mutilation on these

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individuals or is there anything that cross connected or compared

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or showed the same moo? I mean it were indulved. Yeah,

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too much left open. I think it brings me back

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to the Golden State Killer in Joseph DeAngelo, where you know,

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he pleads out, but we never get to hear what

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evidence they have that connects him directly to these crimes.

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Just insane, all right, on to the next one. In

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the Darren Glass case, Missus Fanny May Smith wants to

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know why were the parents treated like suspects and why

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did the police have so little interest in investigating the cases.

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Missus Smith is the foster parent of Darren Glass, the

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only missing child. So I don't know if they've ever

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found this body or not, But this runs in tandem

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with the things we know about the Zodiac case. People

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go missing and they don't find the bones or the

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remains to say, like don alas you know, they found

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the skull in nineteen eighty six, but she went missing

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in nineteen seventy, so and then it took another what

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thirty years for them to actually even identify that it

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was donal Las's school, because we didn't get that answer

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until twenty twenty four. So it's wrapping itself right around that.

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Same m observations made by parents above are also commonly

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shared by many Atlantans, many of whom welcome the opportunity

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to repeat their observations and experiences that might hopefully bring

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an end to this nightmare. So it sounds to me

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like all of these people have thrown in their two cents,

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no be paid attention to their two cents, and there

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are so many questions that are still left unanswered, with

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twenty two children murdered and no one to answer for,

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and they just decided to close the cases. Absolutely astonishing. Yes,

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he cites.

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Publicly blamed Wayne Williams and never charge him with one

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of them exactly.

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That's again like what they were doing in the whole

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John Banne Ramsey case. Let's accuse accuse, accuse accused, but

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we never put forth any evidence. And while John Ramsey's

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being vilified in the media and attacked by law enforcement,

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his financial status decimated by this, his business has sold

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for pennies on the dollar, and for what in the

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end for us to find out that they had known

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as early as January of nineteen ninety seven that the

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DNA cleared him and his family just blows my mind.

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The Senator also or the representative also cites police indifference.

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Parents contend that the establishment of the Special Task Force

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was a much delayed reaction. They report that only after

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five of the children's death, in the face of constant

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cries for a special investigation, was a special Task Force

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set up to handle the cases. They could not understand

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the obvious limited value that was being placed on the

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investigating such a terrible string of murders of their children.

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They are now enraged at the sharp contrast that has

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appeared with the recent attempted murders of Atlanta lawyer Hirsch Friedman.

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Does anybody know who Hirsch Friedman is?

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I don't I heard of them, but I think even

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the Civil Rights will they are.

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Oh so somebody that was.

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Maybe, I think, but I'm not sure. I think he's

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connected to Martin Luther Kingside because I did a lot

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of crash course readings.

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Right, It's a lot to take in. So it goes

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on to say, within forty eight hours after the attempt

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on this white citizen's life. A task force was established

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to investigate it. Even the FBI announced within seventy two

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hours after the attempt that they would officially enter the

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investigating sighting or investigating Yeah, they mistyped this, the investigating

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sighting that their intervention was because of a possible violation

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of freedman's civil rights.

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Wow, so we might right, what's that they.

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Tried to kill him. That's kind of a violation of

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his rights.

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Yeah, the right to be there. The questions now on

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the parents' minds and certainly valid ones. Number one, were

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our dead black children from Atlanta's ghetto subject to the

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same equal rights of the law as an influential white

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male lawyer from Atlanta's affluent north side. And number two,

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had the children ben white, would the establishment of the

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task force taken place much quicker? I too, am bewildered

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and at a loss to understand the difference in the

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treatment in the two cases. As it is it because

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of color. Conclusion from the representative mister Reynolds. The case

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of Atlanta's missing and murdered children is one of the

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most heinous and bizarre crimes ever committed in the country,

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and indeed, the world because of it. Even the closure

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of the cases is one of the most talked about

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subjects in the city of Atlanta. The evidence presented above

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would provoke the question in the mind of any constitutional

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lawyer as to the violation of the civil rights of

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these young black children. Further, it is strongly suggested that

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a person or person's still running free were responsible for

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some of these children's death, So again alluding to a

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group as a possibility, and it definitely seems even though

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we had a couple parents who were convinced and rightfully so.

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I mean, when law enforcement and media attack person like

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Wayne Williams, it's easy to get convinced that he's your perpetrator.

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Just like a major portion of America really believed John

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Ramsey or Patsy Ramsey or Burke Ramsey had actively killed

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their own sibling and daughter. They can make you believe things,

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and so even these individuals who believe Wayne Williams was

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responsible for their death, it's like me looking at the

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Tim Miller case and his daughter. He wanted so strongly

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to believe somebody was the suspect, even though I've done

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the handwriting on that gentleman and told him that it

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was impossible for him to have been the Zodiac Killer,

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and that I find that the communications and his daughter's

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case are consistent with the Zodiac Killer's writings antiques claim

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for all of the atrocities that we've been talking about

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all the way up to this point. But it didn't

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stop him from continuing to believe that this individual was

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responsible for his daughter's death, to the extent of taking

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out a civil lawsuit against him and winning some godly

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amount that you know, this individual is never going to

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be able to pay back, So it happens.

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They just want to bury the They just want to

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bury these cases, you know, and move on. It's sad

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because that was a quick bury at the expense, at

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the expense of all these innocent people.

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I want to say. They said that the trial for

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Wayne Williams on the two murders that he reportedly was

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convicted of committing or dumping the bodies of, only took

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about eight or nine weeks, and then at that time

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these cases were already being closed. They'd already decided they

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weren't going to investigate them or attempt to close them

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on Wayne Williams. And that says a lot. They didn't

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have the evidence. So what if he knew, you know,

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I think they said twenty two or twenty three of

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the thirty victims, So what if he did. I mean,

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you're talking about a small area. People are bound to

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know each other. The population is nowhere near as large

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as it is now these days. You know, what are

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the chances that he's going to come into contact? And

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as Harriet said, he liked to interview people, he liked

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to have people on his show. He's probably more out

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there in the public than your average citizen.

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Well, yeah, a kid. He was a kid in the

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basement of his parents' home, interviewing civil rights attorneys and

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all kinds of amazing, amazing people, you know.

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So taking him out nobody wants to hear him. You know,

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taking him out would be like taking out Martin Luther King.

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If we don't want to hear what you have to say,

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and you can move the masses, then you probably should

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and be you know, inspiring them. I suppose, Well that

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brings us to the Kendy Cabin murders. So after the ending,

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and we know that, you know, the Atlanta, Georgia killings

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have long since stopped, never to start back up again,

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nor did they come across any more murders that they

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wanted to attribute or they could have just shelled them.

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I mean, honestly speaking, if we're hearing about cases that

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are shelled, even if it had continued afterwards, would we

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have been made aware of that since they wanted this

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whole entire escapade to just go away and seal the

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deal on Wayne Williams. So there could have been more

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murder aacked what's that swept under the rug exactly? If

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many cases were just stacked onto a shelf and not

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actually even put into the investigation, It's highly possible that

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more did happen. But we're going to end it with

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that thirty twenty two of which were just closed based

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on the fact that they claimed that Wayne Williams was

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the perpetrator, and the other seven they stated they referred

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back to local jurisdictions. But again we have that crossing

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of jurisdictions things that's happening, which is so reminiscent of

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Zodiac tensar can of phantom murders. I mean, you name it,

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every single one of these of a crossing of jurisdictions

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which should have screened. I'm poking at the FBI, right,

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crossing juristics, crossing stilines, all of these things. Have they

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put all of these together, then the FBI should have

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been involved from day one. And if he's poking at

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the FBI, I mean, I think Harriet, you and I

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both have the consensus that Jack would have been more

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on the CIA side than the FBI side, right.

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Pretty much, because he's working I'm seeing it a lot lately.

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He's working or even above the United States. He's working

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for the Holy Holy See, which is the Ataelic community.

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It's probably even beyond that, right well.

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To have that much coverage, to have somebody at every

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location that will cover your tracks so that you are

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never brought to justice for this stuff. And I like

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to repeat things, so I repeat that Jack made Dennis

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aware of the fact that there were people who were

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in prison for crimes he had committed and he was

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aware of that.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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So the second question, yes.

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Is Kenny California? What part of California?

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Ketty Plumus County, Plumus County, Okay.

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YEA.

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A very interesting how everything happens. Because I had just

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heard about this case and started in researching the information

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on this particular case. At the same time, I got

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called in by the quincy DA for a case. At

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the time, it was a correctional officer that was playing

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with one of the female inmates, and he had stated

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that he had not written letters back and forth to her,

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and of course, after my examination, I was able to

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prove to everyone that he had in fact been what

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did they call that, there's a specific word. I can't

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think of it. I know that that it'll come to

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me later anyways. So I just happened to be entertaining

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that particular case and working that case and had an

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opportunity to drive through Kenny, California, which looks pretty much

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like a ghost town. So at one point in time,

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there was I'm going to say a small population. It

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seemed like it was in the thousands. By the time

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this murder occurred, literally all but sixty people had moved

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out of the area based on these murders occurring. And

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the end result of that, which we will talk about

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was PG and E had the opportunity to blast through

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their pipeline right on through that particular town because it

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became a ghost town. So was this something that was

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perpetrated in order to facilitate the type of fear that

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caused everybody to want to move away and get away

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from the stigma, just so that PG and he could

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come in blast through their gas lines. So I'm going

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to give you some background in this case.

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Well go ahead, I'll just I have a story to

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tell about the Ketty Kevin murders. Dennis Kaufman and I

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if we're going to go up there. But anyways, you

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keep going ahead, tell us.

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I want to hear it.

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Okay.

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So Dennis had just moved in, you know, down the

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Lower Lake, and and then we were going through our

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computers and he wanted to go up to the Kendy

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Kavin's place. And then he said, he said, I just

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know I can feel it. Jack somehow talks to you.

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I want you to find a particular address and we're

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going to go in it. But if you find it

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in one minute, we're not fing going up there. And

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I found it in one minute. The found what Google?

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I found a particular address that he was looking for

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for one of those camp because he knew that Jack

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had something to do with those cabins. So I found

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I've found it somehow, And he said, Jack must be

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talking to you. I'm not going up there after this.

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So that was his story because I found the particular

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address that he was actually looking for, and we were

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literally getting ready to go into our cars and go

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up there, and Charles was there too, So Dennis stormed out,

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this is too creepy. Areat he found it? And I've

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been looking for a year.

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Oh he had been looking. Well, I don't know why

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he'd been looking for it. I'm the one that actually

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brought this case to his attention, so I know that.

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And for a long time, Dennis wanted to downplay any

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other crimes that I brought into the mix here based

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on handwriting, simply because he was told not to investigate

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anything outside of the zodiac. He was convinced that Zodiac

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was the only thing that Jack was of is if

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once again, somebody wakes up one day, attempts to kill

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seven people, writes three hundred communications, and then falls off

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the base of the earth again, I just don't see

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that happening for somebody to not have done it before

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or to continue afterwards. So I kept, you know, plugging

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in and looking at what there was out there that

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was unsolved. Mind you, guys, this is all up in

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the Eureka area, Eureka, Ukayah up above Chico. It's definitely

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up that direction, which we know there's been communications set

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in that direction. We know that there's been activity in

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that direction. So the victims of this particular was Glennis

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Sharp known as Sue, age thirty six, her son John

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age fifteen, and his friend Dana Wingate age seventeen, and

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Tina Sharp was the last victim, age twelve. There were

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surviving children, Sheila the oldest daughter, and Tick and Greg

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youngest sons. I think that might be supposed to say, Rick,

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I don't know. I couldn't base a lot of this

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stuff in here, and I don't know that I changed

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anything on there. But we'll figure this out as we go,

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all right, So here's the back end of the cabin

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on April eleventh, nineteen eighty one. The Kendy Cabin murders

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is an unsolved nineteen eighty one quadruple murder that took

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place in Kendy, a former resort town in the foothills

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of northern California Sierra Nevada Mountains. The murders took place

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in Cabin twenty eight during the late evening of April eleventh,

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nineteen eighty one and Or early morning of the twelfth.

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Sue's oldest daughter, Sheila, had stayed with next door neighbors

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in Cabin twenty nine that night, and Rick discovered Or

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and discovered the murders the morning of April twelve. Sue's

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two youngest sons, I knew it was Rick, not Tick.

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Rick and Greg and their friend Justin Smart, who were

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having a sleepover at Cabin twenty eight that night, were

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found uninjured in the boy's bedroom that morning. And this

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is where things get extremely interesting because the crime scene

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inside of this living room where these individuals died was

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absolutely just like one of those Manson murders the Lobbyanca

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Tate the Yeah, I mean there was blood on the

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walls there, they've used you know, there's multiple hammers, multiple knives,

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I mean, all the signs of more than one person

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coming in and completing this attack. Uh see, no recipent maker,

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What's that?

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Were the boys on a different floor? You know?

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It just says in the back bedroom found uninjured in

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the boy's bedroom that morning. It doesn't really indicate what

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bedroom was was the actual boys.

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But even though if they heard anything.

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Well we're going to get into that with the information

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that I researched, But even that's kind of wishy washy

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and back and forth. Let's see, the cabin in which

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the murders took place was demolished in two thousand and four,

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John Sharp and Dania Wingate seen hitchhiking from Quincy to

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Kenny Kenny Glinn to Kenny Glenna su Sharp, John and

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Dana in the living room were bound with medical tape. Okay,

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so I'm gonna stop back there where we saw the

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hitchhiking part, because that brings us back to kind of

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the center rosa hitchhiker murders. You know, We've got these

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hitchhikers that are being picked up, they're being murdered, and

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then they're being you know, tossed over the sides. So

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the one of the plausible theories is the person who

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gave them this ride. And I believed at one point

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in time that I read the information that stated that

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John and Dana had seen partially cut ropes in the

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trunk of the individual's car. So I'm not sure if

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I have found that again yet. Maybe in some of

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the paper files I have versus what I've gotten to

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the presentation, but I very much so remember hearing about

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that or reading that.

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So Glenny Sharp jump and said that I believed in

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said something about that, that he saw stuff in the

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trunk in the car when he was a kid around

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the down the last disappearance.

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Dennis did.

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Yeah, he said he remembered something about a body in

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the car and then the cut up some stuff the trunk.

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But he said nobody until I'm definitely believing him now

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all the stuff that I'm decoding. Yeah, So anyway, Yeah, well, I.

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Don't see that any rope was used in this. It

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looks like bound with medical tape and an electrical cliants

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wire and bludgeoned with a claw hammer. Tina Sharp was

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missing from the cabin when they showed up. She was

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later found, however, bludgeoned. So Sue and John was stabbed

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repeatedly and once each in the throat. Dana was manually

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strangled and bludgeoned with a different object. An expensive state

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knife had been used with such force that it bent

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the knife approximately twenty five degrees. I made a note

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that that was definitely some of the same type of

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hatred we saw in the Sherry Joe Bates case. And

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the Francis Brown murder in the Lipstick Killings. Also the

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Poway murder weapon described as a meat knife sold at

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a local butcher, was kind of in this realm of

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this expensive steak knife. Now they're living in pretty much

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a rundown cabin in the middle of nowhere. I mean,

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how expensive could her steak knives be? Makes me wonder

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what they're calling it an expensive knife. The ex husband

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of James Sharp. Sue's ex husband is named James Sharp.

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He was divorced from her in Connecticut and she moved

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to Keddy one year previous to this particular murder. So

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the final victim, Sue's daughter, Tina Sharp, at age twelve,

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was missing when the crime was discovered, and part of

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her school was recovered in nineteen eighty four. And Feather

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falls in Butte County. That's a great distance, you guys.

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I did a map quest. If you can see here

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on the PowerPoint presentation a very good distance. It does

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not show any back roads in order for them to

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have traveled this direction. I also contemplated, what would you know,

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what would the chances of animals actually, you know, dragging

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the skull down that far? I mean, anything I suppose

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is possible in the wild, but that does seem like

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a great distance, and of course it brings it all

465
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.759
the way back down into let's see, Oh, I guess

466
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:27.599
I don't have down that far, but more down towards

467
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:33.960
our area, moving away from the Plumus County area. So

468
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:37.279
it says the area where the the remains were found

469
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.480
is reportedly very difficult to find. It's a spot called

470
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.279
Camp eighteen, roughly five miles from Featherfalls. This has led

471
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.519
to some speculation that the bottle hunter was tipped off

472
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:51.240
somehow into discovering the teen as remains, although there's no

473
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:55.039
evidence for this. It's entirely possible that someone did tip

474
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.279
the discoverer off, but we just don't have enough evidence

475
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:01.440
to prove it currently. So in a difficult area, I mean,

476
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.960
I see animals driving, dragging things off and trying to hide,

477
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.039
you know, with their fresh kill because they want to

478
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:13.000
eat it without interruptions from other animals of prey. But

479
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:16.119
to take it to a very difficult location almost sounds

480
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.599
like it was actively dumped there, and the person would

481
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.160
have to have good idea of the area or how

482
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:24.599
to even get there, which we have seen and shown

483
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.359
time after time after time that Jack is a key

484
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:32.640
in for all of these you know, wilderness far out there.

485
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:36.480
You wouldn't know it unless you've been their type situations,

486
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.519
or you are a great orienteer such as Jack was,

487
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:44.000
who liked to actively investigate and research new wilderness areas.

488
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:46.880
I wonder if she was killed at the cabin or

489
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:47.960
killed later.

490
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:50.960
Right, And I don't know that I ever got that

491
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:54.880
particular answer, But why take her? Why not just kill her?

492
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:56.200
I don't know.

493
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:03.079
That way exactly. I mean, so many even I it was.

494
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:04.839
Just a corpse. That's a lot of risks. You can

495
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:06.359
get pulled over whatever, you know.

496
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.680
Yeah, yeah, I mean to me, it all just seems

497
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:11.960
so strange for somebody to do, who's looking to not

498
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:17.000
get caught, to take that extra risk, right. It says

499
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.240
it would be another three years after the Kenny murders

500
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:21.599
that Tina was found, so it took him literally three

501
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.400
years to locate these remains. A man discovered a human

502
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:27.200
skull in the adjoining Butte County, about thirty miles from

503
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.920
Ketty in Plumus County. Near the remains, detectives also found

504
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.680
a child's blanket, a blue nylon jacket, a pair of

505
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.200
jeans with a missing back pocket and an empty surgical

506
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.039
tape dispenser. So if we flip back over to the

507
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:44.720
actual crime scene, it stated that the you see, if

508
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:50.359
I can go backwards here, the victims, yeah, medical tape exactly.

509
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:54.519
So they removed the tape dispenser and take it with them.

510
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.119
I mean, of all the other things that were left,

511
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.319
to my knowledge, the hammers and the night and all

512
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:02.359
of those things were left behind, even though I think

513
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:06.680
they thought they'd found some additional We're going to read it.

514
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:09.240
We're going to read it inside you here. So more

515
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:12.920
compounding is that the three youngest boys were not only untouched,

516
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:16.000
but allegedly unaware of the event, even though a woman

517
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:18.319
and her boyfriend in the cabin next door woke up

518
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.279
awoke around one thirty am to what they described were

519
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:25.119
muffled screams. Unable to discern from where they were coming,

520
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.400
they went back to bed. However, though the three boys

521
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:31.200
initially claimed to have slept through the massacre, Ricky and

522
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:34.240
Gregg's friend Justin Smart, did later say that he saw

523
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.079
Sue with two men in the house that night. One

524
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:39.599
reportedly had a mustache and long hair, and the other

525
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.400
was clean shaven with short hair, but both in glasses.

526
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.039
One of the men had a hammer. Justin reported that

527
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:49.279
John and Dana entered the home and argued with the men,

528
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:53.640
which resulted in a violent fight. So I'm tending to

529
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:55.920
believe John's a little bit older. What did they say

530
00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:01.079
his age was fifteen? Yeah, do you see a fifteen

531
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:04.960
year old arguing with two full grown men in this way? Well,

532
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:08.440
Dana's seventeen, possibly, but they were the ones that supposedly

533
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:15.279
hitch high tone. Tina was then okay, So Justin reported

534
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.079
that John and Dana entered the home and argued with

535
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.599
the men, which resulted in a violent fight. Tina was

536
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.440
then allegedly taken out the cabin's back door by one

537
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:25.519
of the men. And this is Justin smart reporting this.

538
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:33.079
So he's viewed the individuals, He's watched Tina be kidnapped, basically,

539
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:36.759
but at one point in time claimed to have not heard,

540
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:41.000
not awoken, not seeing anything. So we've already got differences

541
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.759
in stories here. Allegedly, a lot of potential evidence was

542
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.759
collected that the scene, but because this was pre DNA testing,

543
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:52.200
very little helpful information was found at this time. This

544
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:55.200
happened to be the composite drawings that was given to

545
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.960
law enforcement in regards to the individuals that were involved

546
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:02.599
with this particul killer escapade. And this I'm guessing has

547
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:09.759
to be on Justin Smart's eyewitness accounts. I've placed his

548
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:14.480
father here next to it because his father's driver's license

549
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:18.559
carried a picture. And did I think I source Let's see,

550
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:20.559
it was forty nine. I was trying to see if

551
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.079
there was a date five to one of eighty, so

552
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.119
this was either this was issued probably May first of

553
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:30.480
nineteen eighty, And of course these murders are happening in

554
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:35.119
nineteen eighty. What I say one, so it's very close

555
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.400
in timeframe. Basically, what I'm saying is we're not going

556
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.400
to see much of a difference between the picture of

557
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:44.039
Justin's father and these two composits that are given by

558
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:45.839
purportedly Justin Smart.

559
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.079
He looks like a mixture of the composites.

560
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:56.680
Right. Well, it's definitely not wearing short enough hair, right,

561
00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:59.240
but definitely not wearing glasses.

562
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.440
Interesting, right, all right.

563
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:08.119
So the James Sharp and bo boo baby bo bebi

564
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:13.640
boo baby. My lips don't want to wrap around that word.

565
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.799
Bou b e b e is the last name. And

566
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.119
of course they have connections to Chicago and the Las

567
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:24.680
Vegas Las Vegas mob. I went ding ding ding ding,

568
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.680
right back to Chicago, right back to the mob, right

569
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.240
back to Las Vegas. And of course we just got

570
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.599
done talking about the whole Rebels connection in the Atlanta,

571
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:38.359
Georgia child killing case in the communication that he's taking

572
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:41.759
responsibility for having been the Zodiac killer, but also mentions

573
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.119
the word rebels. And in Las Vegas we have the

574
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:50.920
Las Vegas University. Yeah, yeah, And so I mean, all

575
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.440
of it just keeps wrapping itself around these locations. It

576
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.640
says immediately. The two lead suspects were Justin Smart's father

577
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.720
and the Sharp's neighbor, Martin Smart and HouseGuests es ex

578
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:07.880
convict John boop Oh Boodibi, who was known to have

579
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:11.000
connections to organized crime in the area. Both men had

580
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.719
been seen in suits and ties behaving oddly in the

581
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:17.639
bar the night before. Yeah, why make ourselves stand out?

582
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:21.079
You're definitely I can tell you all about this Keddy area.

583
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.360
You're not dressing up in suits and ties for pretty

584
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:30.199
much nothing unless you're going to court. That would be

585
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.679
odd behavior. I swear that would scream look at me,

586
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.760
Look at me, right, I mean you see you see

587
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.159
all these mob movies where they do a bust and

588
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:42.480
they you know, rob a bank or something, and then

589
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:46.039
everybody's being told don't buy nothing expensive, don't do anything

590
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:48.280
to stand out. And then you got these two people

591
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.199
who were you know, connected to the mob, that are

592
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.800
showing up in this little pod on town in suits

593
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:59.920
and ties. Yeah. Martin Smart later told the police that

594
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.280
he had a hammer that matched the one discovered, and

595
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:06.400
also that his hammer had gone missing shortly before the murders.

596
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.280
Later that year, a knife was discovered in a trash

597
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:12.719
can outside the Keddy General Store. Authorities also believed this

598
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:16.079
item to be linked to the crimes. And why, I mean,

599
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.199
they didn't have DNA back then. We just heard them

600
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.599
say that, right, So what was it that made them

601
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:24.320
think that this knife was connected to the crimes? Although

602
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:28.440
I want some interesting attributes, it almost looks like, you know,

603
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:32.000
Bayonet's style with that flange that's around it. It looks

604
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.159
like that the handle could be wrapped in some type

605
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.519
of a tape or something that doesn't look to be wood.

606
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.480
I don't see rivets or anything that would hold the

607
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:42.079
handle together, but it definitely looks like some of the

608
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.119
knives that have been described throughout all of these crimes.

609
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:47.559
Doesn't look like a stick knife.

610
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:52.320
Certainly does not, I mean, unless you're the hunter's stick knife.

611
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.159
I had somebody not too long ago say, oh, here,

612
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:56.920
let me use your knife to open up your package

613
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:58.840
of food. I was like, no, you're not using your

614
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:02.760
pocket knife. I don't know what it is with guys

615
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:05.159
and knives, but they'll use it for everything, including what

616
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.760
they're about to eat, no matter what they've previously used

617
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:09.559
it on. And you know they're not washing it if

618
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:12.000
they can't even wash their hands in the bathroom. Come

619
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:21.480
on it, you're not touching with that knife, but you

620
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:25.760
drive away, it says the Butuke County Sheriff's Department soon

621
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.800
received an anonymous call asking I was wondering if they

622
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.960
caught of the murder or I'm sorry, I thought of

623
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.079
the murder up in Kenny, up in Plumus County a

624
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.199
couple of years ago, where a twelve year old girl

625
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.360
was never found. So they get this anonymous call where

626
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:42.719
the person says, I wonder if they thought about this

627
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.559
and in what context? I mean, what would provoke somebody

628
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.360
to call in even though we know anonymous phone calls

629
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:55.679
are definitely a huge zodiac one on one, I don't

630
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:57.679
know why they would want to dredge it back up one.

631
00:36:59.360 --> 00:36:59.599
Right.

632
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:05.079
I would guess that this is before they found the

633
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:07.920
body for sure, and maybe that's why they felt that

634
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.000
that individual had been tipped off who did actually find

635
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:14.360
the body to go look for the body in that

636
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.320
one particular I mean, he's looking for bottles. But would

637
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:20.119
you go out into the middle of an absolutely very

638
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.199
hard place to find, you know, rough and rugged, where

639
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:28.039
there likely hasn't been a lot of people living in

640
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:30.800
or dealing with. What are your chances of finding bottles

641
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.199
in that type of environment if it wasn't a livable area.

642
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:38.000
I mean, bottles usually indicate that people have lived in

643
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:41.519
that particular area. So this bottle hunter is going on

644
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:43.559
the guys that he's searching for bottles, and that's how

645
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.840
he skips across this body who.

646
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.760
Goes searching for bottles and remote areas.

647
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:51.639
That's what I'm saying. It doesn't make any sense. I mean,

648
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.920
unless you could show that there was a civilization there

649
00:37:54.079 --> 00:38:01.159
once before, why would you go there for bottles? Would yeah,

650
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:03.880
high on top of peaks of mountains that are totally

651
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.760
hard to breathe, and the elevation and the air level

652
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.400
of air quality is horrible. But I'm gonna go there

653
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.559
and I'm gonna search for a bottle pictures.

654
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:13.960
That's the mom in the upper up.

655
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.800
Yes, and then this would be the next one would

656
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.360
be her son her This would be Tina Sharp, the

657
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.679
twelve year old. And then this would be Dana Wingate,

658
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.079
the friend of her son that passed. So they still

659
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:28.960
look fairly young. I don't know if it was just

660
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:30.719
an old picture that they had to be able to

661
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:31.639
portray her son.

662
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.719
But the mom is it unattractive?

663
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:39.239
No? No, not at all, so it says Meanwhile, Sheriff

664
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:42.880
Thomas had resigned from the investigation three months in and

665
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.039
taken a job instead at the Sacramento Department of Justice.

666
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:48.920
His handling of the case in retrospect would be considered

667
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:53.159
disastrous as best, and corrupt at worst. I was told

668
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.119
the suspects were told to get out of town. So

669
00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:58.920
to me, that means it was a cover up. Sheila

670
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:03.480
Sharp told CBA Sacramento in twenty sixteen. So Sheila is

671
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:06.639
the oldest daughter. If we're just now catching up with

672
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.280
that had discussed the fact that two of the suspects

673
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.239
were told to get out of town by law enforcement.

674
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.159
Who tells suspects to get out of.

675
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.320
Town, accomplices.

676
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:24.000
Her up something, and then he resigns three months after

677
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:28.440
making the statement supposedly. So, I looked at one of

678
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:32.239
the other suspects, which is the bo Bo Boo Beady,

679
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.920
and we can see his picture in comparison to the

680
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:40.199
two individuals that were purportedly cited by Justin Smart and again,

681
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:43.360
we do not have a composite match. When I was

682
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.199
watching the Son of Sam murders, they indicated the police

683
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:49.039
officer that was on there discussing the different composites and

684
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:51.679
how they had four or five different images and none

685
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:53.800
of them really looked the same, which alluded to the

686
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:57.280
fact that they had several people that were involved with

687
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:02.119
those murders as well. Indicated that nine out of ten

688
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:06.559
times the individual that is arrested for the crime resembles

689
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:10.880
the composite. Very well, well, here.

690
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:26.480
We have arrested and got convicted. And Vincent, he did anybody.

691
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.880
Else getting that sound what it was?

692
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:29.320
It was time to d operating. Okay, sorry, I'm back.

693
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:33.840
Oh we didn't know you lost I was like, what

694
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:35.760
is that sound? Is that like, all right, time to

695
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:37.400
take a shot? No, it's time to dance.

696
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:41.199
I guess my point was in the set of sam

697
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:44.000
once they arrested Broke, once they stopped looking for other

698
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:48.920
people altogether, there were several people involved.

699
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:51.639
And that's exactly why I bring that up, is because

700
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:55.239
they did exactly what the Atlanta, Georgia child killer did,

701
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.440
which was to avoid the fact that there was accomplices

702
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.519
and other people involved were just going to take the

703
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:03.039
easy way out. We've got somebody, let's blame it on them,

704
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.679
whether or not they're culpable for it. And that again

705
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.119
brings me back to the Golden State Killer and Joseph

706
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.679
DiAngelo with let's just pin it all on him and

707
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:16.559
not show anybody anything close all those cases. Yeah, yeah,

708
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:18.239
I haven't pleaded out, so we don't have to show

709
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:23.559
the public the evidence that we have on him. So

710
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:26.119
it says. On the other hand, Bubidi served in the

711
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:28.880
Air Force, but he made many claims that turned out

712
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.199
to be untrue as well. He served time for armed

713
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:36.039
robbery in Chicago Stateville Statesville Prison. Others who investigated the

714
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:39.599
Ketdy Cabin murders case claimed that Bubidi was involved in

715
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:42.920
organized crime in Las Vegas, Nevada. In the weeks prior

716
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.559
to the Ketty Cabin murders. Boobetia had been sleeping on

717
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.239
the Smart's couch. When questioned regarding the murders, he claimed

718
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.039
to have been a police informant for the Chicago Department

719
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:56.039
of Justice. Some speculate that this is why the Sacramento

720
00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:59.159
DOJ didn't look into him too closely. They didn't want

721
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:04.760
to lose a potential informant. Let's say, you, Nolan, that's

722
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:05.880
that's crazy.

723
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:10.039
Why would that he's They're just going on a word

724
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:13.079
that he's an informant for Chicago without checking with Chicago

725
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:13.800
or I don't.

726
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:17.960
Know, Well, wouldn't you be in the know? I mean,

727
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:22.000
obviously some type of heinous crime like this hits, it

728
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:26.960
makes the news. The rightful people in charge of making

729
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.440
this happen sees that it's happened, And wouldn't they automatically

730
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:32.159
reach out to their connections.

731
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:36.679
Yeah, do investigation, you know, a proper right.

732
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.719
Do not arrest this guy. He is an informant, you know.

733
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.159
I would have to believe that if they were told

734
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.360
to get out of town, that there was some part

735
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.199
of their story that was backed up by someone else somewhere, and.

736
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:51.880
It is an informant. It makes in part weasel to begin.

737
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:57.920
With, right, all weasel. Yeah, And every time I see

738
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:03.880
these weasels who are, like you know, informants for law enforcement, CIA, FBI,

739
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:06.480
any of this, it's almost if they weren't around with

740
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.280
the ability to do and commit any crime they want

741
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.039
and never get touched. So while they're providing this extra

742
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:16.039
information about others who are committing crimes, they're out there

743
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.119
doing their own thing. And that takes me back to

744
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:21.400
when Jack had gotten in trouble for poaching and then

745
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.840
enticed the sheriff to attack him so that he got

746
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.280
off of his charges. Because was that Bill White?

747
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:39.039
Harriet, Yeah, what was that against? Because I think I

748
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:40.159
lost you for a second.

749
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.039
Well, we were making the comment before how Jack had

750
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:48.360
inside friends in law enforcement, which was Bill White, right

751
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:53.559
in the plastical area, and how he was capable of

752
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.199
enticing him to beat him beat Jack up so that

753
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.320
Jack was able to get off of his charges. The

754
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.199
following Monday when he comes to and the judge season

755
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.800
in the condition he's in, Yeah, I'll beat up and

756
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:08.440
he gets off of his charges. So again, was Jack

757
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.840
an informant for somebody? I mean, we feel like he's informing,

758
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:14.159
but we feel like he's informing those that are responsible

759
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:18.760
for these crimes, not necessarily to assist and help arrest

760
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:23.039
people who are doing crimes. So the anonymous quality of

761
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:27.280
accounting police are definitely informants.

762
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.239
I said, him and his crew are definitely informants by

763
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:31.559
the seventies.

764
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:36.400
Right, But they're informing, they're informing handlers, They're not informing

765
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:40.239
law enforcement in order to bust people, right, I mean

766
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:42.440
that's kind of the gist of your solves.

767
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.119
Yeah, I'm seeing that he was trying to get information

768
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:50.760
about Robert abel Out and that was you know, and

769
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:54.320
even Robert Abels because he was NASA was never going

770
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:58.760
to be arrested or anything that anyways. Right now, you're

771
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.079
trying to inform on people that are just never going

772
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:03.239
to be arrested exactly.

773
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:06.039
NaSTA is probably a freemason as well. Most of the

774
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.440
NASA astronauts and Mucky Marks are freemasons.

775
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:17.840
Mucky mugs sounds like total fuckery to me, all right.

776
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:20.840
So the anonymous called Abu County Police evidence at Cabin

777
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:24.039
twenty eight was ignored and overlooked. Remarkably, the tape of

778
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:26.840
the anonymous tip regarding Tina was found sealed in the

779
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:31.880
case files, untouched by Plumus County Sheriff's Department until twenty thirteen,

780
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.679
when the case was reopened with new investigators Plumous Sheriff

781
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:41.039
Greg Hagwood and special investigator Mike Gamberg. In twenty sixteen,

782
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:43.480
Gamberg located a hammer believed to be one of the

783
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:47.239
murder weapons in a dried up pond in Kendy. So

784
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:51.000
now we've got a knife that's dumped at a local store,

785
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:52.239
which you know is just going to be one of

786
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.840
those little, tiny, you know, grocery stores in the middle

787
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.960
of nowhere, and we have another purported possible murder weapon

788
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.280
dumped in a pond. But it doesn't say how far

789
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:04.159
from each other. It is just that they split up

790
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:06.920
and dumped their weapons in different places, but then left

791
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.320
half their weapons at the cabin. I'm not sure if

792
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:11.199
I buy all that. I mean, why not take all

793
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:15.159
weapons if you're going to take any, Yeah, if you're

794
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:16.840
going to leave any, why take any?

795
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:18.880
Yeah.

796
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.320
Further, it came to light that Marilyn Smart, Marty's wife

797
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:25.360
and mother of Justin, had left her husband on the

798
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:29.440
day of the murder discovery. Afterwards, she provided Plumas County

799
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.960
Sheriff's department with a handwritten letters sent to her and

800
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:35.239
signed by her estranged husband. It read, I've paid the

801
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.880
price of your love, and now that I've bought it

802
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:41.400
with four people's lives, you tell me we are through? Great?

803
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.639
What else do you want? Almost as if to say

804
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:47.119
that this was some type of confession to having killed

805
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:51.840
the four people but for her love, and he then

806
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.360
killed them before she made it known she was going

807
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:59.159
to leave them. I mean, something doesn't all add up there? Yeah, extremely,

808
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.280
It says this letter was not treated as a confession,

809
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:04.159
nor was it followed up on it at the time.

810
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.480
Even though Marilyn admitted in a two thousand and eight

811
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:09.039
documentary that she thought her husband and his friend Bo

812
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.199
was responsible, Sheriff Doug Thomas contradicted this and stated that

813
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.480
Martin had successfully passed a polygraph test. It was later

814
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:19.880
confirmed that Martin was close with this sheriff. So now

815
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:25.039
to have somebody close with law enforcement again in twenty sixteen,

816
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:28.840
I have family and law enforcement and I'm not even

817
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:37.519
close with them. Law enforcement doesn't get close anybody In

818
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.280
twenty sixteen, Mike Gamber met with a counselor at Reno

819
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.880
Veterans Administration. The anonymous counselor told him that in May

820
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.599
of nineteen eighty one, Martin Smart had confessed to killing

821
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.280
Sue and Tina Sharp. I killed the women and her daughter,

822
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:51.519
but I didn't have anything to do with the boys,

823
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:56.000
he purportedly told the counselor. When the DOJ was alerted

824
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:58.159
to this confession in nineteen eighty one, they say they

825
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.079
dismissed it as hearsay. What I think, We're just going

826
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.840
to keep kicking the information and the evidence.

827
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:09.719
He said he didn't kill the girl.

828
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:12.239
Or he said he killed the mother and the daughter,

829
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.679
But then that means he's the one that took her

830
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.159
all the way, the child, all the way to wherever

831
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:20.599
the body was dumped. He said he killed the woman

832
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.480
and her daughter, but I didn't have anything to do

833
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:28.199
with the boys. Well, so he's admitting right more than

834
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:31.320
one person. I was watching the news and they were

835
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.679
talking about the girl found at Feather Falls. I was

836
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:35.719
just wondering if you thought of the murder up in

837
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.519
Kendy in Plumis County a couple of years ago. Where

838
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:40.639
a twelve year old girl was never found. So this

839
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.559
is the actual statement that the caller, the anonymous caller

840
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.559
had made when he said, I was watching the news

841
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.960
and they were talking about the girl found at Feather Falls.

842
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:50.840
I was just wondering if he thought of the murder

843
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.559
up in Kendy in Plumis County a couple of years ago,

844
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:56.840
where a twelve year old girl was never found. So

845
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.400
this could very well have been an anonymous person who

846
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:04.280
is collectively putting things together. We're doing it ourselves, so

847
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.719
why wouldn't it be too strange that somebody else who

848
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:11.280
is following the cases and the happenstances up in this

849
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.159
area to have put the two and two together. But

850
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:17.519
it doesn't state so obviously this anonymous call must have

851
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:20.400
come in after she was located, because it's stating they

852
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:24.239
found the girl at Feather Falls, right, So it wasn't it.

853
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:27.840
And the information is confusing when you're reading other people's

854
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:30.159
takes on this when it says soon after you know,

855
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:34.480
the police received this, you know, anonymous call that obviously

856
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:36.840
wasn't soon after the murder. It was soon after the

857
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:38.800
finding of the remains in Feather Falls.

858
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:41.840
I think it's more than coincidence though. Feather Falls is

859
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.280
like you said, showed up, you know on the screen.

860
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:46.840
That's quite a distance it is.

861
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:49.880
I didn't realize we are pretty much at our last

862
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:52.400
couple of seconds here and I have to cut everybody off,

863
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.199
but really quick, everyone say goodbye, have a great weekend.

864
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.480
Thank you guys for being here once again. I hope

865
00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:59.320
we moved through this quickly and we'll see you all

866
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.719
next Friday. Thank you, Harriet and all.

867
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:07.039
Bye bye, hie wh