5 Murders and an Abduction, Zodiac???

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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. Backing up
to last week, a little bit on

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the Cipher solves from Harriet Sousche.
Of course, I got one blowback on

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YouTube, which was interesting. I
know that people listen to some of the

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things that she has to say,
they don't really quite grasp or understand where

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she's coming from with it. I
just want to remind everybody that that's her

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solve. It's something she believes that
she has uncovered. It makes her an

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interesting story, and it does kind
of follow along with some of the things

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that we think are going on with
the Zodiac himself. I don't necessarily negate

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the evidence that she's putting forth.
I do entertain it because again I'm just

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trying to put some levity or maybe
some type of information in between these crimes

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and the murders and all of this
chaos, so something fun to look at.

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At a minimum, I know that
Jack is a match to the handwriting.

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That's what I'm here for. I'm
walking through his evidence along with the

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Zodiac case, making those connections between
who he was, what he did,

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what he was capable of doing,
and the handwriting really is the only compelling

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reason why we should be looking at
Jack. All the rest of it is

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very circumstantial evidence at this point,
and all other suspects have no match to

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it. The purported solves that named
Jack are are just that purported solves.

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It does help to bolster my contentions, which is why I put them on

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here, but that's just fortuitous.
It's not something that makes or breaks the

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handwriting examination and the evidence that Jack
is the best fit for the Zodiac killer.

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I want to welcome Nolan del Campo
to the show this morning. Good

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morning, everybody. How'd your week
go? It went really well. I

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took my mom down to Bakersfield a
visit her sister, and we got to

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see several aunts and uncles and cousins, and everything was great family time.

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We love that. I've been working
on chaotic cases, family law, cheating

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spouses. Some of the most craziest
stuff this last week has occurred. People

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are at the height of their forging
and their dirty deeds, so I seem

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to be extremely busy, just trying
to make sure I fit everything in.

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I want to go ahead and put
up the PowerPoint presentation at this point.

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Let's make sure I'm over here on
it. Go back there we go.

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I actually had somebody contact me on
my LinkedIn account and they wrote the so

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called ciphers are all branches of Arabic, a form not seen often the bell

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I tapes. He is using real
voice in two places. The languages used

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were not cipher's at all. They
are language translations. Z three forty equals

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to MIL seven four oh eight is
Africans, seven eighteen is Africans, Z

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thirteen is Hindi, Z thirty two
is Teluga. Noticed daughter born in Middle

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East, That's how I knew,
and DNA match in another state he killed

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in. There is a ton of
more clues, most in the Z three

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lines five through twenty, which has
never been seen by the public. I'm

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so confused over this message. I
did talk to Harriet and she said,

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some of the symbols do have some
tiebacks to Arabic connections, but literally everything

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has a tie back to either a
Latin origin, or an English origin,

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or an Arabic origin. But I
haven't really seen any symbols that I identify

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as being Arabic. Have you?
Are you there with me, Nolan,

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No, But I'm not well.
When you think of Arabic, you think

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of like the Quran, you think
of the East Indian writings, you think

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of those types of symbols and things. I have not seen any of the

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codes that incorporated those type of symbols
and their alphabet should I say, I'm

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not sure that the English letters are
are ever posed by the Arabic alphabet.

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I mean, well, we use
as a society, we use Arabic numerals,

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but not the alphabet, right,
But we're not even seeing those in

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these particular solves. So I got
a little confused, and I did talk

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to Harriet a little bit about it, and she says, yes, some

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does have Arabic origin, okay,
but not that they're specifically Arabic symbols that

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are being used in these And then
she says that the bell I tapes he

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is using his real voice in two
places. I wasn't aware there were bell

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I tapes. I think in the
movie, I don't know if they recorded

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it, but they show him or
there's a audio of someone calling Belli and

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purporting to be the Zodia and that
wasn't the one that was on the radio

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station, so that was separate and
outside of I think you got to call

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it home. But also yeah,
the radio call in is yeah, maybe

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that was the recording that she's referring
to. I don't know. I have

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no idea, because they ruled that
individual out as being somebody who was in

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the Napa State Hospital that was just
poking around. And the more I read

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about it, appears he didn't call
the show and ask for Belly and Bailey.

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He had actually called, I believe, the police department and said that

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he wanted to speak to them on
that particular show, which begs the reason

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why that particular show, you know, what was the purpose of that one?

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And then of course I saw the
daughter born in Middle East. That

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definitely would rule Jack out if this
guy was definitely the Zodiac killer. But

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she really kind of leaves things open
where you don't really you can't ask questions.

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There's a ton of more clues,
she says, in the z three

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f forty lines five through twenty,
which was never seen by the public.

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What does she mean the fut lines
five through twenty were never seen by the

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public. Again, that's almost as
if to say, we've been given some

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other image other than what the Zodiac
wrote for her to have five lines five

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through twenty which the public has never
seen. I get extremely solid. Yeah,

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And that's really kind of the thing
that boggles me about it is where

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are these Belli tapes that she's talking
about? Who is this individual? This

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individual purportedly has a tie into a
murder in Florida, which they've been connected

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to by DNA. So I would
think if they have a good DNA profile

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on this person and then they have
him connected to at least one murder,

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how does that play into where the
Zodiac was and what he was doing.

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She also mentioned before he had left. I think it's the next comment because

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I did ask a couple of questions. Who I'm missing? My All right,

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let's get there, So, she
says in a follow up, because

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I asked her some questions, she
said it was found in Florida. He

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killed there too. I worked on
the cold case. I don't know which

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coat she must be talking about the
Florida cold case. I'm not sure how

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she possibly worked there. Her name
is Sharon Lindamore, and she shows that

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she's a system analyst at Great Western
Petroleum. Well, there's an oil connection

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if we ever had one. But
found in Florida. He killed there too.

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I worked on the cold case.
No, I'm not saying Zodiac is

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Middle Eastern. I asked that question. I feel he was practicing the language

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before he left in seventy five.
Again unanswered question, left where in seventy

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five? Left America, left East
India? Like what is this statement of

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left in seventy five? Because if
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to Saudi Arabia or East India of
some sort, then we have a slew

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of messages and letters that are coming
through that are definitely written by the Zodiac.

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So if he's there, how is
he here perpetrating these letters and crimes?

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He says, you don't believe me. You don't believe he had a

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daughter in the Middle East. He
did, she was born there, I'm

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unable to tell name because I would
have to give you his last name.

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I believe he worked on a solar
farm in his occupation, and this is

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the truth. You have been lied
to, even Z lied to you,

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huh. I am not sure where
to go with all of those statements.

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I do believe that Z lied,
but I think in areas that were more

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like word games versus lies. So
he'd tell you something, you'd have to

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figure out what that meant, so
the straightforward message would obviously not lead you

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to the end result. I know
we've been lied to by the media,

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we've been lied to by void,
We've been lied to by all kinds of

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people that are involved with this particular
case, so I don't discount that by

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any means. I also noticed as
that when I was reading these messages and

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responding with her, she had literally
hit up every single person's zodiac post on

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YouTube as far as I could scroll. She literally just copy and pasted the

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same message over and over again all
the way down the realm. I eventually

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just had to give up, and
I did see some interesting stuff as I

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was going through it, though it
seems to me to be some type of

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propaganda. These type of people will
come out and say that there's proof,

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and then they're gone in a year
or so, like you never hear from

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them again. Kind of like the
Debora Perez thing, or the Earl Van

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Best or Door or you know,
all of these people that have been ruled

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out as fake suspects, or at
least the media has propagated that information without

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bacchecking to make sure that the person
they're allowed to allowing to accuse of the

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suspect is really even telling the truth. There's no basis for it. The

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media just runs with it, and
it seems to always be something that helps

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to at least disinform at a minimum. I get constant phone calls or text

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messages when these new stories come out, people letting me know what's come up

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so that I can quickly go in
do some research, and usually it's fairly

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easy to kind of rule them out. But yeah, it's it seems to

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me that she's saying that she knows
who the zodiac is. I'm unable to

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tell name because I would have to
give you his last thing. So if

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she knows me is, why doesn't
she go public with it? In cases?

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Saw, that's my point. Everybody
who tells me they can't. I

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get one of two statements. I
can't tell you because he's being looked at,

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or I can't tell you because I
would die I have to kill you.

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So I'm not art place where I'm
supposed to go with that. But

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I've never found anyone who puts on
this type of a campaign to be telling

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the truth, simply because normal people
do not have the time to do what

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she is doing by posting on every
single person zodiac post let alone making claims

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they can either confirm nor backup because
they can't tell you. I've heard this

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one hundred times or more, probably
in the fifteen years. I can't tell

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you how I know. I can't
tell you what their name is. They

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can't answer any evidence. Give me
some evidence. What do they look like?

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Where were they during particular years we
know that are absolutely attributed to the

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Zodiac. Give us something. So
I did look up Western Petroleum just to

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kind of get an idea, says
great. Western Patroleum was founded in nineteen

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fifty eight by Frank and George Tavish. They started their business with a small

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service station in Missoula, Montana.
By nineteen sixty six, they purchased their

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supplier and became a wholesale gas fuel
and distributor. The main focus of the

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business was to supply full service gas
stations, mines, paper mills, and

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logging operations. I think we just
kind of wrapped up everything from newspapers big

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business like gas and mines and logging
operations, which really kind of screamhurst to

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me, but it says by the
nineteen eighties industry and demand had changed.

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Convenience stores became a major source of
growth. Today, a great Western Patrolling's

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focus is to be a supplier of
branded and unbranded fuels and lubricants to retail

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and wholesale businesses, agricultural, agricultural
aviation, small business, commercial and government

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consumers. So then, yes,
all neatly wrapped up. I know she's

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doing these posts, right, And
what did she do previous to this that

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allowed her to work on the cold
case? Or does she state I worked

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on the cold case as I would
state I'm working on the cold case,

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but I'm not really working. I'm
not legitimately licensed, employed by an agency,

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or working, you know, hand
in hand with investigators. I mean,

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at one time, yes, I
was working with the FBI, but

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not nearly as much help have I
been to any of the other like local

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agencies like NAPA. They didn't want
to go through it with me. LA

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decided they did not want to climb
back into it. So while you know,

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have presented evidence to them, wanted
to be able to share what I

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had about Jack, none of them
were interested in even taking a look at

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it. So for their statements that
it's an open investigation and we can't talk

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about it, that is absolute crap, because if they would, they would

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then sit down, take that information
on an intake, just like they would

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any other lead, and then at
least work some aspect of it to assist

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in either excluding or identifying this individual
as the Zodiac Killer. So summary of

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the Zodiac Killer. I have gone
through this once before, but I thought

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it was interesting. At the end
of what we know so far, all

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one eight sevens committed on weekends.
All messages sent from SF except one from

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Pleasanton. Now Pleasanton is one of
those places on the murder map that does

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not list any victims, but we
do have a letter coming out of there.

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So the Pleasanton letter to the LA
Times, I believe they might be

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referring to him taking his credit for
the riverside activity. The envelopes are always

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overposted. Sometimes they're not posted at
all, but overposted stamps or sideways or

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inverted, misspelled short simple words,
apparently on purpose. That's a contention I

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made and had came forth in a
linguisticed damn for the FBI may have knowledge

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of the following cryptography, meteorology,
explosive devices, charts, and terminology of

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compass latent fingerprint identification methods. They
wrote in here said concealed fingertips with fingernail

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polish. Pretty sure what he said
was airplane cement, right, I think

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so? Yeah, So even some
of these things that are being typed up

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aren't even really telling us all the
truth that he's familiar with typewriter and identification

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methods, light opera, he likes
the publicity, he enjoys ridiculing the police,

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claims to be crack proof. He's
an egotist, they say, cultist

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slaves for the afterlife. I think
that's just a ploy to keep you guys

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running in a different direction. And
he does not panic in a stressful situation.

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So as I compared that, or
cross compared that, should I say

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that these murders happening only on weekends. Jack being punished and beaten by his

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father on weekends was one of the
triggers Dennis claimed for his killing. On

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the weekends. Jack does spell words
incorrectly on He does spell words incorrectly.

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I'm not going to say on purpose, but he spells them incorrectly, and

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then followed on a next line he
spells them correctly. And this happens in

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his own natural writing. He has
knowledge of cryptography, meteorology, explosive devices

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we'll be talking about in nineteen seventy
six charts and terminology of compass. We've

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already discussed about his camping, his
knowledge of the ranger stations and different types

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of campgrounds or national forests, the
charts and terminology of compass. We've seen

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that in Jack's own hand. We've
seen latent fingerprint methods, nail polished.

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I question, like I said,
airplane cement is what the zodiac said.

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Jack has is efficient with typewriter identification
methods and like opera, likely because he

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also did the teletype machine which we
showed he had in nineteen sixty two he

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was repairing in a picture that Dennis
had. He likes publicity and enjoys ridiculing

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the police, claims to be crack
poop proof, the cultest, and does

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not panic in stressful situations. These
all kind of wrap up the persona of

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Jack Terrence. So at some point
during the early or late sixties early seventies,

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Jack is separated from Nora, but
he is still hanging out with Danny

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her Son and Jack and Danny would
leave to Tahoe claiming to have been gold

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panning in the desert down south,
and they were selling that gold in Nevada.

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So they would leave I guess down
south do what they called was gold

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panning, and then come back to
the Nevada area and sell that gold.

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This could also be some of the
jewelry or the missing items from victims that

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they simply had melted down and turn
and turned over or sold as gold.

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I found it interesting because we're going
to come up here in April of nineteen

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seventy and we're going to see what's
called I call it a dragon card.

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Many might call it something else,
but it is a gold mining person on

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the back of a dragon saying my
ass is dragon and he's really just making

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poking fun again at the cops.
So the gold panting greeting card kind of

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fits in with the fact that that's
exactly what we see Jack as doing at

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this particular time in his life.
Now, I did take a look at

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one of the first murders back after
he had written the Fairfield letters to see

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if there were consistencies with the areas
he stated he would kill in one of

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the first ones I had come across, which I believe has been solved.

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But it was another taxi cab driver
in San Francisco. Robert Brommel actually admitted

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to this crime. Oakland Tribune ran
a story on it, saying, Monday,

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January twenty sixth, nineteen seventy SF
cabby shot in zodiac style. Now,

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Brommel states that he was wrestling with
this particular taxi cab driver because he

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wanted to rob him, and in
that wrestling match, he somehow was capable

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of shooting Charles Jarman behind the right
ear. So I'm trying to imagine how

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that could go down, that you
would be wrestling with someone from a back

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seat. I mean, it does
set you up for shooting somebody in the

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back of the head by accident,
but what how could that wrestling match go

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down if the driver's back to you. If the driver actually flips around in

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the seat and is facing you,
then you could wrestle with him, right,

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I mean, how else could you
wrestle with him if his backs turned

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to you and you're in the back
seat. That doesn't make sense now now

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it doesn't. But it was very
interesting that it was listed as one of

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the places he was going to kill
in the Fairfield letter. Was I think

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three times in San Francisco, so
I had at first thought this was one,

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but then I had later found this
article that says Man admits to killing,

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claims it was an accident. At
this point in time, Yellow Cab

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is setting a reward for Zodiac also
for the murder of this pot homicide.

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It says after the murder of Stein, Zodiac sent a macabre a letter to

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the chronicle claiming credit for the slain. For proof, he enclosed a bloodstained

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piece of shirt he had torn from
Stein's body. Since Jarman's death, however,

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Zodiac has not been heard from,
so that's one of the reasons that

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they indicated they didn't believe it was
connected because he didn't brag about it.

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But we've already seen the go ahead, Yes, Zodiac claimed to have killed

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three people in San Francisco because around
that time there was a police officer killed,

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and then there was someone killed by
like a little bomb, a handmade

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bomb that was sent to a business
not far from from the chronicle. Are

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you no, I'm not familiar with
that one. I do know. I

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do know of the one that you
were just talking about before that I believe,

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which you said was the police officer. We are going to be coming

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up on the annihilating letter where he
states that he shot a man in a

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parked car with a third I just
haven't been able to tie together the bullet

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or the caliber of the gun that
that police officer was shot with, but

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that kind of runs in tandem.
But I also want to remind everybody,

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if he said I'm not going to
tell you about who I killed anymore,

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then he wouldn't have admitted to something
like this. So even if we had

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somebody come forward who did commit the
crime, they took credit for it,

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they were convicted, and they are
doing their time for this particular crime,

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I would have to say that this
one was likely ruled out just based on

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the fact that we had somebody who
admitted to it. Why would you come

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forward and admit to it. He
evidently was a bus boy. He had

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some type of criminal background. He
had dumped his wife and young six month

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old I think daughter to come to
California and couldn't really find a job,

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so we ended up being a bus
boy. He needed more money, and

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of course that's why he literally robbed. So he did actually take twenty seven

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dollars, it says, from this
particular cab driver. So I tend to

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believe that I could probably rule this
one out. But I put this in

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this presentation way back in two thousand
and nine, So now I'm just now

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doing the research to see whether or
not it's even something that was capable,

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and finding these type of articles helped
to rule this kind of stuff out.

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It doesn't sound exot yet to me. No, no, no, no,

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they did. Initially, I think
when they were talking about the similarities

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between it and the Stein, they
were still stating that Stein was a robbery,

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which I think in the end they
yeah, they finally came to the

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determination that it wasn't, and that's
pretty much what set those two apart.

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March and most of these crimes.
Watches were left, wallets were left rings

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were left. We're going to talk
about one here in a few minutes where

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a ring was left and at the
time, back in the seventies, it

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was worth fifty bucks. Today that's
a few hundred dollars. So you know

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you could violably have you would have
taken that ring if you were looking to

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rob somebody, plain and simple.
On March third of nineteen seventy, we

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had six ten year old cosette Ellison
from Raga found in a rovine along Morgan

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Territory Road, Mount Diablo Foothills east
of Clayton. A lot of people want

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to kind of clump all of these. There's about four bodies that are found

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at the foothills of Diablo. They
want to clump these with the zodiac.

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However, I want to remind everybody
that this is all pre mentioning Mount Diablo

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and radians and anything else. And
he wants you to look along the radians.

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If he wanted you to look at
the foothills of the mountain, he

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would have said, searched the mountain, right, Y'll find four more victims.

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He laid most of his victims out
for people to see. He did

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not attempt to hide their bodies,
so some of these murders, I have

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been slowly but surely kind of working
my way into the fact that they likely

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were not committed by the Zodiac either
way. Cosette Ellison was five foot two,

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one hundred pounds with brown shoulder length
hair. Pieces of her clothing were

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found along the roadsides in the area, which this is a direct match back

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to a Lane day where they found
her shoes, her coat, certain items

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along the path as he's obviously leaving
the area with that person. Philip Hughes

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did not take credit for a Laye
Davis, but this particular murder is very

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similar to Elaine Davis. Philip Hughes
doesn't actually take credit for any murder until

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a proximately nineteen seventy twos or or
after. Don't quote me on that number.

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We'll get to that when we get
there and he's actually turned in by

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his girlfriend. So to me,
if he is killing before the girlfriend and

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she's unaware of those particular murders,
why would he confess and you know,

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stand up and say, hey,
pick me. But the bodies are being

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dumped in the same area. The
similarities of the abductions, the time that

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the that they have gone missing or
maybe even held the clothing that's left on

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the roadside, and then eventually the
dump site, which happens to be Mount

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Diablo and seems to be a place
where Philip Hughes also dumps bodies. So

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I don't don't have any evidence that
has panned out that this actually is included

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in Hughes, but Detective Holes,
a retired contra constant, a detective from

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Clayton from that area, states that
he believes there's a possibility that Hughes could

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be included on it. Clayton is
actually listed on the Death of the Murder

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map. I do have one individual
that's left on that map. Now,

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again, I'm still kind of struggling
with where the disappearance occurs versus where the

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body's dumped, as to whether or
not that is supposed to be the X

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marks the spot kind of thing.
So if they were abducted from Clayton and

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then dumped in Santa Cruz, does
that mean that he's marking X for Clayton

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because that's where he abducted him,
Or would he be marking Santa Cruz,

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which we have four on the map
for Santa Cruz because he actually dumped them

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in Santa Cruz. Either way,
Captain Harry Darreham said that there were distinct

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similarities in the murders of Maureen Field
nineteen, which he had taken credit for,

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and the Cosette Ellison fifteen, both
of Marauga. So we have them

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both being stolen out of the same
place approximately two to three years previous to

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the murders. We know that Hughes
took credit for. Miss Ellison disappeared after

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getting off a school bus in front
of her Canyon Road home. Her body

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was found thirteen months later in Mount
Diabolo Foothills south of Clayton. I believe

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what they had said on this,
and let me see if I have that

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the bus driver escorted her across the
road, watched her collect the mail and

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unlock the gate, according to the
Juvenile Bureau. So obviously again she made

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it as safely as she could into
the gate based on what the bus driver

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is saying, So either somebody was
waiting on the other side of that gate

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or they were able to lure her
away after the bus had departed. Either

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way, I would have assumed,
go ahead. She looks a lot older.

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These newspaper pictures and the other pictures
she doesn't look at we're here fifteen

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or sixteen thirteen, I know,
and I think they said this was a

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freshman or sophomore year picture and she
was younger here. I guess. You

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know, these are your formative years, and you do tend to kind of,

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you know, fill out and become
that woman during high school. So

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you're right. I mean, I
look at this first picture, the one

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search is pushed for missing girl,
and that one is extremely similar to this

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younger version. And then of course
we see this older version that is being

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placed in here, and she's a
Campa Linda Lindo, Campa Lindo student.

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I was like camp O'Dell Campo.
No, that's six degrees difference, right.

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That brings us to Eva Blou.
Now I do believe that this could

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be a possibility for the zodiac.
So March third, nineteen seventy, seventeen

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year old Eva blow from Pataluma Hill
Road in Santa Rosa, California. This

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is part of the Santa Rosa Syria
Killer. This is where these particular murders

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begin. She's found March thirteenth of
nineteen seventy in a driveway of a fruit

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drying yard in Padaluma Hill Road,
just south of Santa Rosa City limits.

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She's a freshman at Sonoma State in
nearby Ronert Park. I could not even

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find a picture on her. I
was a little disappointed about that the body

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was found covered by her blue coat, her sweater pulled up, skirt and

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panties pulled down. Body had bruising
marks and punctures, but was declared poisoned.

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Mescaline is found in a southwestern cactus, and some of these murders that

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were coming up to we're going to
start talking about this mescaline or this peyote

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buttons, as I think Harriet was
talking about last week in her salves.

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So again, her sauls keep wrapping
up around what we know to be occurring

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during this time, which keeps me
interested in what she has to say.

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I did go back and question her
in regards to her about the peyote button

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gel by Anstey. She believes Anstey, which is one of our upcoming victims,

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was actually involved in creating this gel
that could then be used in other

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ways and other forms, rather than
just consuming in order to get that high.

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Harriet actually said that she lived in
San Francisco long enough to know that

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they do weird things with drugs.
Oh yeah, and I can imagine.

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I mean, I think, wasn't
there like some something for quite some time,

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kids were taking shots of alcohol anally
and dying from it. Yeah.

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So yes, evidently people will cram
some stuff in some weird freaking places in

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order to get high. They'll drop
it into their eyes, they'll put it

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up their nose, they'll ingust it
sblingually evidently anally like, there's all kinds

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of places you can take drugs.
I guess I'm sorry. I don't mean

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to laugh at these people, but
that made me hot a little bit.

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Zodiac talks about frequently, talks about
purchasing his weapons before the ban at some

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point, and we have to note
that that mescaline and these types of things

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were banned. We're going to come
up to that. I believe I'm just

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a little ahead of myself in that
statement. But it does state that you

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would need a massive dose for it
to be deadly. So it wasn't like,

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oh, we just tried the gel
and died from it. You would

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then had to have probably ingested a
large amount or the possibility that because of

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the absorption factor of it happening in
another orifice where the skin was very thin

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and it could reach the blood stream
faster. Could be an exposure to it

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at a higher dose at a quicker
rate that could cause a death, not

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require nearly that large of a dose. I'm not a scientist, but it's

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just so, it looks like they
traced Eva's last night and sheriff inspector said,

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the seventeen year old Sonoma State College
coed apparently went somewhere and had a

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large meal after she left some friends
at the resident hall. I also believe

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she was getting ready to take a
math test. Yeah, so she had

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mathematics exam the very next day,
which also kind of alludes to the mystery

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of why would she have taken off
had this large meal with someone else,

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knowing that she's supposed to be studying
for this mathematics exam the next day.

406
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:40.920
Why would she take this type of
drug where there really is no known come

407
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.160
down time. You know, it's
not like, oh, I'm going to

408
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.200
do this and I'm going to,
you know, be high for an hour

409
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:52.559
or two or or you really don't
you can't predict LSD. Evidently, some

410
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:57.200
people say it lasts for hours some
people say it last. It could last

411
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:01.839
for days and you could still be
having effects from it for afterwards. Either

412
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:06.279
way, somebody going to college and
somebody preparing for an exam the next day.

413
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.319
It just doesn't seem likely that she
would have been out there doing something

414
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:15.880
like LSD. Correct. I think
there's also some information in here where they

415
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:20.920
stated she was familiar with this particular
drug and had tried or done it,

416
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.440
so she knew the effects. She
would also have known how much to take

417
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:30.640
or how much not to take,
obviously. In the interim, I just

418
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:35.079
kind of put out here a map
here to show the difference between where she

419
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:39.799
was where they believe so last seen
at jack London Hall in Katati Avenue and

420
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:45.440
then found on Petaluma Hill Road,
which is literally only a seven minute drive

421
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:50.079
basically from where she was last seen
at the school or at jack London Hall,

422
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.079
and then somewhere between that timeframe had
stopped and had a large meal.

423
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:59.880
So it sounds to me an abduction, just like Jeanette kama Healey, which

424
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:04.960
we will see here shortly. Elaine
Davis has been abducted. Leonel Roberts has

425
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:12.400
been abducted. Although I find that
the abductions of those individuals were more home

426
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:16.440
invasion type or I mean literally the
owner Roberts was in her boyfriend's apartment.

427
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:22.559
Elaine Davis was in her own home. So these are different types of abductions

428
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.639
versus he caught her on the road
or disabled her car or done something in

429
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.639
that manner. She was on her
way home and was within a half mile

430
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:32.960
of her home, and before she
got there she went missing. So to

431
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.239
me, that kind of sounds like
somebody may have tampered with her car and

432
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:45.360
prevented her from making it that half
a mile home. Perhaps that's a zombac

433
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:52.039
and there's lots of unsolved killings up
in that area in the right that may

434
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:59.960
or may not be zodiac I think
that he lists something. This murder map

435
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:07.159
actually lists eight victims in the Santa
Rosa area. So again we will look

436
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.760
at when these murders stop. How
many there are doesn't coincide with the map.

437
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.840
Was the map made before the murders
were completed? And do we have

438
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:19.079
more murders after the map? Sandy
Bett said she got it somewhere in the

439
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.480
eighties. I want to say mid
to late eighties. Uh, And I

440
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.800
believe that the serial killing scree was
pretty much done by that point, so

441
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:30.719
she he could have literally have tabbed
that map with those eight victims, knowing

442
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:36.159
he had killed eight people. These
are just some more articles that I had

443
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:42.280
pulled up in regards to Eva Blau. This is of course they're still trying

444
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:51.119
to determine what the cause of death
was. Let's see, yeah, let's

445
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.639
go back. Yeah, so substance, but I don't think the substance killed

446
00:35:54.639 --> 00:36:00.719
her, right well, this one
says quick death sub since killed SSC co

447
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:06.559
ed Eva Blaw. A substance that
produces quick death killed Eva Blow, a

448
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:12.639
pathologist told the Sheriff's office today.
Sheriff's Inspector John Kaufman said the pathologist reported

449
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:17.239
he had isolated and an unidentified substance
in the seventeen year old girl's stomach,

450
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:22.599
which the which he strongly suspect caused
the girl's death. Now, the fact

451
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.519
that she had purportedly eaten this large
meal, that large meal could have been

452
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:31.199
laced, yes, and I don't
think it would have been mescally in her

453
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:37.519
LSD would have been something else otherwise
they were well, I think they do

454
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:42.559
eventually identify it. Reportedly of isolated
a foreign substance. With the cause of

455
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:49.039
the pretty seventeen year old co ed's
death still under undetermined, the investigation by

456
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:53.400
Sheriff's office is beginning to bog down. The coroner's office yesterday reported that the

457
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:59.920
state crime Lab in Sacramento has found
an unidentifiable substance in the girl's bile,

458
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:06.320
a liquid secreted by the liver,
with no idea what it might be.

459
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.320
The pathologists or conducting tests attempting to
compare the substance with the wide spectrum of

460
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:15.400
drugs. The procedure, the Coroner's
office said, is time consuming, time

461
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:24.320
consuming, and painstaking. So let's
yeah, all right, so that's pretty

462
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:31.199
much that brings us into against we
will we will as we move in.

463
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:36.840
So these were articles up up to
that point. But I do believe that

464
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:44.719
they eventually identify it as mesculine.
Next murder here is anstey possibly what's that

465
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:50.480
mestling wouldn't kill her and unless it
was highly concentrated, and that's what they

466
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.519
were saying, yeah, they it
would have to be a heavy dose in

467
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:58.920
order for that to have killed her. And I have to believe too that

468
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:04.840
if there were strange ways that people
were using it, you know, consumption

469
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.519
through the stomach would have some type
of a breakdown and effect on that drug

470
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:12.000
As it goes through the system.
It needs to make it to the intestines

471
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.719
to be absorbed into the bloodstream,
So there is a chance that it could

472
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:22.960
lessen the degree of the potency going
internally into your stomach versus other ways that

473
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:28.639
it could be ingested or taken as
well. I mean, I don't know

474
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.559
anybody who's taken the stuff, let
alone known anybody who's taken it anally versus

475
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:37.440
orally to know the difference. Yeah, so it doesn't make sense that she

476
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:42.119
would take it voluntarily, and it
doesn't make sense that she would if she

477
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:49.079
did take so much enough to kill
her exactly. Well, yeah, I

478
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.079
think what it comes back to,
and maybe it was anstey that actually has

479
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.440
the experience with it, as we'll
find out, one of them had an

480
00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:00.239
experience with it. They talked about
it in the articles and stated that the

481
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:05.320
individual would have known the difference between
what was too much and what wasn't in

482
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.280
order to kill themselves. But so
possibly last seen on March fourteenth and nineteen

483
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:14.639
seventy in a restaurant with a man. So here we have somebody eating again

484
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.440
with a man just before being found
dead, which is very consistent with Eva

485
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:23.000
blau Be found with a full stomach
of food. She's found on March twenty

486
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:28.519
first in nineteen seventy. This is
Marie Antoinette Anstay. This is the individual

487
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:34.519
that Souchet was talking about in regards
to the peyote buttons gel. She was

488
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.480
found on Morgan Valley Road near Lake
Bury, Essa. So literally just an

489
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:42.119
extension off. This could be one
of the NAPA murders that are listed on

490
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:49.679
the Fairfield Fairfield letter by the Zodiac. This was determined to be absolutely a

491
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:54.599
mescaline murder LSD or acid a psychotropic
drug. Estimated time of death was five

492
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:59.440
to six days previous to her being
found, so her death is listed at

493
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:05.800
approximate March sixteenth, nineteen seventy research. Like I said, Zodiac purchased weapons

494
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:07.920
before the ban went into effect,
and I found that there was a nineteen

495
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:13.320
seventy one ban on mescaline and other
psychotropic drugs, so that's where that one

496
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:17.440
came in. I do believe that
this one is listed on the murder map

497
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:24.119
either way you cut it. Between
NAPA and the Sonoma type area is definitely

498
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:29.480
where the Sonoma Hitchhiker or the Santa
Rosa Hitchhiker murders were occurring as well.

499
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:35.119
Sonoma Police Department was or Sheriff's department
was definitely involved in the investigations. She's

500
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.519
found in Lake County, near the
border of Napa County, in a rural

501
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:43.320
area that is a continuation of the
bary Sa Knoxville Road. Like I said,

502
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:47.000
Fairfield letter indicates that Napa is going
to have eight victims. This could

503
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:53.719
be his perception of it being Napa
and that it's really Santa Rosa, because

504
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:58.599
we do have eight listed on the
map for Santa Rosa. So I thought

505
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.400
that was kind of like a again, he has word games. He's not

506
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:05.840
necessarily lying to you, but he's
telling you it in a way you have

507
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:09.440
to figure it out on your own. She was a resident of Valao.

508
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:14.880
The Fairfield letter did indicate that there
would be six victims to come. Is

509
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.119
she one of six or is she
a Napa victim? Because it's where the

510
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:22.480
body fell, question becomes what he
considers to be the place of murder.

511
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:28.679
The left earring was missing, and
this starts to be something that is seen

512
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:35.199
throughout the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murders.
They found gravel and sand in her lungs,

513
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.840
which indicated she had drowned in a
stream, which there was a stream

514
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:44.320
in the area, but not where
the body was found, So she basically

515
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.679
was submerged at some point in time
enough so to have gotten the sand and

516
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:52.800
gravel into her lungs while she was
alive, because you can't you can't read

517
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:57.840
this stuff in once you're dead.
And then in Stephen Deuhurst's book, I

518
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:05.239
actually found this picture of Jack's green
metal box and this little sandwich. This

519
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:10.679
is that old tuppaware sandwich container on
top there, and inside that happened to

520
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.719
be earrings. And I think somewhere
along the line I have some clearer pictures

521
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:17.800
of these ear rings because we actually
laid them out and I took pictures of

522
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:22.800
them. But this was inside of
a baggie found inside of the box.

523
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:30.360
This was found in the Flagstaff,
Arizona storage shed that Dennis had obtained from

524
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.400
Jack, which most people don't know. It shows that it was found in

525
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:38.280
two thousand and one, but Dennis
didn't receive access to this particular shed,

526
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:42.679
I believe until two thousand and five. That's what he conveyed to me.

527
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.280
And that was because after this four
or five years of attempting to turn Jack

528
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:51.159
in, he's being blown up by
Tom Voyd, He's being neglected by the

529
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:55.000
SFPD in regards to evidence. FBI's
taking him seriously. But if you can't

530
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:59.639
get into these other jurisdictions and they
won't investigate, it seems nobody's going to

531
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:06.280
get any thing done because nobody is
literally working together. So Dennis or Dennis,

532
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.440
Stephen Dewhurst writes in his book Turning
Jack In. Dennis took the material

533
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:14.079
he got from the Shed and Copley
Drive back to Sacramento and started going through

534
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.960
it. He realized that he had
gotten almost all of Jack's personal papers going

535
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:22.119
back to the nineteen forties and into
the nineteen eighties. There was also a

536
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.840
grayish green metal filebox with very worn
paint and a coating of dust. A

537
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:31.199
psychic called in on the Zodiac case
in nineteen seventy one and had predicted the

538
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:37.000
existence of such a box. Dennis
had never seen this box before. Inside

539
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.280
Dennis found what looked like a collection
of souvenirs from a serial killer. Over

540
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:45.719
the next eight years, Dennis continued
to excavate materials from that hall, and

541
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:49.599
it would be two thousand and eight
before the full relevance of that material began

542
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:57.159
to be understood, and that's when
Dennis found the hood in the PA system.

543
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:05.679
Another commentator, Chris In had written
the psychologist retained by the SFPD had

544
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:09.039
advised the police that this particular individual
reulied on the attention that media was giving

545
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:13.599
him and if this attention was to
stop, then he would have no fuel

546
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:16.440
for continuing his actions. We do
see at one point that he is starting

547
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:21.599
to be printed later on in the
newspaper. This upsets him and he wants

548
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.559
He tells them in a future communication
that he wants them to make sure it's

549
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:30.880
printed on the front page. I
thought that it was interesting that Kristen a

550
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.920
poster on this message this message board. I'm not sure this might have been

551
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:39.480
Voice had the opportunity to view the
coroner's reports from the girl's unsolved homicides and

552
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:45.599
claims there is a suspect victim relationship
with Arthur Lee Allen. Again, we

553
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:49.320
also know that there was a relationship
between Jack Terrence and Arthur Lee Allen.

554
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:54.199
Arthur Lee Allen evidently gave Jack a
ride home from Lake barry Essa at one

555
00:44:54.239 --> 00:45:00.280
point in time before actually being put
under the limelight as a suspect and being

556
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.039
reported on the news, in which
Jack seeing him on the news said,

557
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.159
oh, that's the nice man who
gave me a ride home. Abducted after

558
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:13.039
driving her car home from visiting her
parents. So again we have this whole

559
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:16.239
entire thing with the vehicle. Her
vehicle was founded in animal shelter blocking the

560
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:21.880
driveway. I thought this was something
that was similar to Kathleen John's because it

561
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:28.119
was found that her vehicle was disabled
as well. Right later it was burn

562
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:34.079
right Kathleen John. No, not
Kathleen John's, hers Anstey's. Her vehicle

563
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.360
was found in an animal shelter blocking
the driveway and it was found to be

564
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:42.480
disabled. So again we're back into
that realm of disabling vehicles. And I

565
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:45.079
wrote, could this be similar to
Kathleen John's abduction in three twenty two of

566
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.480
nineteen seventy And I think we can
all see that it is. Her body

567
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:53.360
was found face down and nude.
Kristin compares this evidence with other girls found

568
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:58.960
in the Sonoma County and San Francisco
at several schools, So obviously there are

569
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:02.880
some murders and Sam Francisco that are
occurring that I will need to find and

570
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:07.679
make that connection to these other homicides
for these missing left earrings, so evidently

571
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:15.039
he was only taking the left earring. Sheriff. Sheriff believes that she died

572
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:19.800
elsewhere, which is exactly what I
thought, and was taken to the spot,

573
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.079
and that there was no attempt to
hide her body. Already talked about

574
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:28.079
the freshwater stream. She was found
to have been immersed in freshwater hours before

575
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.559
or after her death. I liked
that the newspaper said after her death,

576
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:35.199
because you can't suck in and breathe
in gravel and sand if you're dead,

577
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:39.440
so it obviously happened previous to her
dying. Why move her to an open

578
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:44.440
public spot unless you're wanting to make
sure that she's found like many of the

579
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:49.559
other victims, and that is definitely
Zodiac. Mo cluded the identity was a

580
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.400
size six ring found near the body, gold with purple oval stone valued at

581
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:58.400
approximately fifty dollars. This clearly wasn't
a robbery if they left that behind or

582
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.440
it belonged to another victim and was
left with her body, which follows the

583
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:07.360
methodology of the zodiac, ragging about
leaving clues and fake clues. Iva Blau

584
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.159
has now been determined to have died
from a large dose of LSD. So

585
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:16.800
there's your answer. This article covers
that. Okay, so that's I know.

586
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.599
To see what it was. LSDU
one of the first things they tested,

587
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:28.719
I know, right, well,
but maybe mescaline. But if mescaline

588
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.239
is kind of unknown, you know, LSD was likely known because of the

589
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:36.840
hippie groove going on back then.
But if mescaline was something relatively new and

590
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.920
derived from a completely different plant,
I'm not sure. I again, I

591
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:44.880
don't know how these things work.
Not a scientist, don't know about these

592
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:50.079
drugs, but it is possible.
I would assume that maybe the unfamiliarity and

593
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.719
the newness of the mescaline hitting the
market was a reason why they had to

594
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.920
go and do this ban. Yeah. But my point is if it were

595
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:01.440
LSD, that would have found out
early on. They said how painstaking it

596
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:07.119
was and how difficult it was to
do the comparisons, that would have been

597
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:12.880
something you would try and eliminate early
on. I would think exactly exactly.

598
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:17.079
Additional evidence says she was last seen
at two am on March fourteenth at a

599
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:22.280
night spot at fifteen oh six years
point Road and left there to meet up

600
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.760
with a friend and left the car
at the animal shelter. So she left

601
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:28.880
to meet up with a friend and
then because the car was disabled, had

602
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.320
to drop and leave it and left
with that friend. So it was disabled

603
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:35.559
and the keys were not in it, but they were not found with her

604
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:40.719
body either. Wow. Okay,
well we didn't even make it to the

605
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:44.639
fourth murder at this point, so
we're not going to make it to Kathleen

606
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.960
John's. We are about out of
time. Is there any comments that you'd

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like to make? No? I
well, one that one woman. Can

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you go back to the bottom of
the glasses antsty Antsie. She looks like,

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yeah, maybe I'll find it.
Maybe she's the one that actually has

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experience with this drug and should have
known how much to take. So I

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will look more into that and see
if I can find that information. But

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we are all done for this week, you guys. We will come back

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finish up that fourth murder and the
abduction of Kathleen John's next week. Everybody,

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take care, Thank you for joining
me, Nolan, and we'll see

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you guys next Friday. A bye,