4 Murders and 5 Letters Zodiacesque

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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back for another episode of Hit the

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Road Jack Finding the Zodiac. I'm
going to cover some laundry today. Of

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course, I'm always boggled by the
amount of individuals who believe they know who

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the Zodiac killer is and the claims
that they want to make. And of

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course if you start asking them questions, you find yourself in some weird conundrum

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with them not wanting to answer your
questions, they don't have answers. The

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ultimately they get mad, so whack
jobs that become toxic in this particular in

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these cases, should I say it's
not just necessarily the Zodiac case. However,

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when you include all these different serial
killing sprees, you do find multiple

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people who then want to cross over
and identify all of these as one particular

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serial killer, and honestly speaking,
really what I'm doing here is about the

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handwriting. I'm an expert in handwriting, nothing else. I'm not an expert

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the Zodiac cases. I'm not an
expert in the Santa Rosa hitch hiker murders.

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There are so many places that I'm
just not equipped. I haven't been

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around long enough. I haven't been
able to read all of the rhetoric that's

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out there in regards to these cases. And of course I clearly do note

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that information that used to be on
the internet is no longer available on the

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Internet, and I try to at
least bring that to the forefront, because

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some of my research extends back to
two thousand and nine, before some of

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these things went missing. So I'm
really just trying to clear up the misnomers

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of information that's being given and try
to show and support how Jack is still

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the best fit, while maintaining conversations
with others in regards to their evidence or

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their suspects, and hopefully helping them
to move on if I can through a

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handwriting examination or other factors like the
individual not being in the right area and

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not at the right age, doesn't
match the composite. So this really comes

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in light with this last Moonlight person
that I've been talking about, who literally

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sent us the information last week in
regards to the man that was burned alive

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in the cabin. So it had
been kind of going back and forth.

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Moonlight would not like answer my questions, would not would almost get evasive or

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even rude if they couldn't answer the
questions or if I disregarded one of their

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suspects. And she's been back and
forth. We've heard things about Darling Farren's

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second daughter that she supposedly had,
and everybody is just absolutely laughing out loud

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about this that you if you follow
any storyline which includes another child by Darling

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Farren, you will likely being lied
to. And it's just another one of

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those false cases to cause more confusion
and disinformation. So you can't really pick

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apart what's going on. As far
as I know, and I've been told

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by others that do and have researched
this case since the eighties, Darling Farren

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was not known to have another daughter, so that one got erased. And

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then Moonlight came back and wanted to
give me the idea that there was a

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group of four people that were involved, such as Fred Mannally, Richard Anderson,

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and Ed Edwards, and we're going
to talk about that here in a

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few minutes. But if anyone in
these cases becomes verbally degrading when they can

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answer a question because it's adverse to
their theory or suspect, you're dealing with

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what I call the Zodiac killer kooks
tiptoe away slowly. It seems that people

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with an agenda cannot discuss their position
in an adult like fashion if you don't

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believe what it is they're saying.
So if you ask me a question,

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I will answer it. If you
put something up on YouTube, you put

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something up on my message board,
I will answer it. But don't put

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it up there and then take it
down. I'd get the notification that it

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was there. Then I go to
look for it. And as in this

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case with Moonlight, on several occasions, the questions were really good ones and

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they deserved answers, But when I
go back to actually respond, they're gone.

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If I ask you a question,
you should be obliged to respond accordingly.

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You should be able to back your
position with facts that support your conclusions,

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and don't lie about your position as
it pertains to these cases. Don't

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come in and tell me that you're
just here from missing victims or unidentified remains

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and then turn around and tell me
you're trying to prove that your four friends

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were abducted by the Zodiac. Moonlight
will tell you the only people she is

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interested in is these unidentified remains and
missing people. But then she's got an

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entire agenda that includes multiple different suspects, multiple different people making claims, And

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I don't know if she's just here
to give me some busy work because she

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knows I'm going to do the research, take the time to actually look at

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these individuals and see if they fit
the bill. I'm happy to discuss your

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evidence and even review handwriting in regards
to any suspect in order to find out

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the truth for you. And don't
get mad at me because your reasoning lacks

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supporter or evidence and I ask about
it. I should not have my time

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wasted by people who want to regurgitate
the facts of the five known cases and

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the hundreds of others should be This
requires me to research the story, show

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the facts that can be attained,
including ruling people out by the handwriting.

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It's very tiring but I'm willing to
do it in order to maintain the position

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that Jack is still that best suspect. So on top of last week,

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with the introduction of what she believed
was a squadron of four and people committing

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suicide as they were being questioned things
of this nature, she indicated that in

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December of nineteen sixty nine was the
unconvermed kill of ZK Leona Roberts. Now,

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I don't understand why she's labeled at
ZK Leona Roberts is in my presentation,

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and we're going to discuss that,
but I wouldn't call it as Zodiac

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murder until it could be confirmed that
it was. She says where Leona was

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abducted from the neighbor received a Zodiac
call. So now she is labeling the

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suspect as a Zodiac killer because they
made a phone call. And I've been

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told by the FBI that this is
something that actually consistently happens with serial killers.

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They do make phone calls, they
do want to tell somebody that they've

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done this. Witnesses said there appeared
to be two men, but it was

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unknown if they were related to the
abduction. Now, when I've researched this

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information on Leona. It goes back
and forth. I'm told there's one guy,

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I'm told there's two guys. So
I'm not really sure how to work

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that out other than the fact that
these people are willing to be seen in

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broad daylight in an apartment complex abducting
this girl that does not scream Zodiac to

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me, Leona was found the same
manner as a percentage of the hitchhiker killer

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kills, So a percentage again,
that's very vague. Clearest, kind tell

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me exactly how many people were abducted
we're held, were anything in regards to

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the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murders as it
pertains to Leona, if you'd like to

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clump them together. I want everybody
to know that, in fact, we

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do have Philip Hughes who confessed to
a murder, whereby he did call the

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claim responsibility to the family, so
he isn't the Zodiac, but he's still

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made a phone call, so that
doesn't necessarily rule in or out the Zodiac

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in my mind at this point,
more or less, what is said on

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that phone call, the linguistics,
how they act their behavior. If we

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can get information on those kind of
things that might help to tie that in

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the home abductions don't really align with
the Zodiac's emo, and Leona Roberts and

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Elane Davis are looking like a crime
that might have been committed by someone else,

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and the Zodiac appeared to be an
opportunist, if not the hired gun

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that I think he is in some
cases. Moonlight evidently ended up being completely

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upset and can't get over it,
and then tried to bash me with lies

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that are being told on the Internet. One of the things that she emailed

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me after telling me to go away, continue to email me multiple times,

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almost to a harassing point. I
had to just send her to spam so

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I could get her out of my
life. She sent me a clip of

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what looks like a video that's playing
on the Internet that indicates that I have

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stated at some point in time that
Terrence Pascal assisted Robert gray Smith in making

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changes to the letters for his book. I've never made that statement. I've

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never made an ill statement in regards
to Terrence Pascal at all. The only

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communications that I've had and I visited
Terrence Pascal's house, was in regards to

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the nineteen eighty six letter as to
whether or not he believed that it was

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penned by the Zodiac, which he
confirmed, yes it had been. No,

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it was not released to the public
at that time, and Dennis might

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have been the very verse first person
to have even introduced that letter to the

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public. I'm not sure because at
the time I couldn't find it on the

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Internet and Dennis was showing me something
completely brand new. The other thing that

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I discussed with Terrence Pascal was the
size of the papers, because my mentor

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had told me that I was wrong
because the writing was too large on the

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sample that he gave me of the
Zodiac's handwriting. But it turned out that

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that particular document that he gave me
had been enlarged from a five by seven

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approximately a five by seven to an
eight and a half by eleven, which

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would have enlarged actually all of the
writing on the page, because it's been

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blown up to almost twice its size. And I did discover, like I

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had said before, through an IT
client that I had I was doing some

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work for in handwriting who looked at
that file for me and the pixel whip

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on it had been enlarged a thousand
by a thousand when it was presented on

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Tom Boyd's website, so it had
been altered from the get before it was

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even put up. Now they also
claimed that somehow I managed to change the

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words that were coming out of Larson's
mouth. Last week in the episode where

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we talked about Jack and his son
having burned a man alive in a cabin,

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the information that she gave me on
the victim clearly stated that the CO

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two saturation or the CEO sorry saturation
was sixty percent, which is the medical

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term for carbon monoxide, and that
would mean that he was alive at the

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time that he was burnt to death. It fits exactly what Rick Larson said.

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But now this person is upset that
she believes I changed the words from

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killed to I'm sorry, from killed
to burn. And you can clearly see

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Rick Larson speaking into the direction of
the camera. You can see the words

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on his you could read his lips
and see that the words he's saying or

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exactly what he said, not me. So when they become this toxic,

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you just have to get them out
of your life. Also, there are

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lots of things on the internet that
claims to discredit my work. I don't

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necessarily go to look for them.
I'm not going to try to defend myself

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in regards to them. There's no
reason for me to justify anything that they're

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saying. I will if it's brought
to my attention, especially if there's a

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question in regards to it. But
you're going to find many websites in which

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they say I'm a snake oil salesman, or I'm this that or the other,

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that I'm lying, that I'm making
things up. I'm really not.

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I'm just trying to catch up in
this whole realm of the Zodiac fiasco and

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show the identification of handwriting and how
Jack actually fits the bill. He has

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all of the qualities, all of
the training, all of the capabilities to

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be the Zodiac Killer. So if
you're stumble across a link or a website

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or even a video in which case
they are trying to demean me, I

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actually take that as a small pad
on the back, because they do say

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that bad publicity is still good publicity
because somebody's pointing at you. Also,

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I look at it as a good
thing because there are people out there seriously

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concerned with what I have to say, so much so that they're willing to

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take their time, money, effort, whatever it takes to produce whatever it

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is that they're producing in order to
say I'm wrong. So that must mean

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I'm on the right track. We're
going to go ahead and put up the

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power point presentation at this point in
time. Last week, I skipped over

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these, and I thought, for
the purpose of showing that there are other

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people out there doing some of the
same things that are considered to be consistent

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with what the Zodiac was doing,
I went ahead, and I went back

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and I brought these murders back up
because I have since learned that they were

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confessed to and there are other people
that were convicted of them. So there

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was a murder on November fourteenth and
nineteen sixty nine Marine Patricia Field from Pleasant

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Hill Road kmart that was then found
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Now we know the Zodiac talked about
Mount Diablo, so of course this

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is how it became part of my
presentation to begin with. But since then

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I'd learned that Philip Hughes had confessed
and was convicted of the murder with the

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assistance of his girlfriend. I believe
it was who came forward and had stated

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that yes, in fact, he
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to them. On December eighth of
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later, Philip Hughes called the family
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She is dead. I killed her. It is a very simple statement.

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Again does not really run along the
lines of what I would expect to

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hear from the Zodiac. But again, there are individuals that are out here

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doing these things, and that brings
us literally, oh, I guess I

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need to turn mys you know.
There we go to the next one,

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which is Patricia King. On November
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literally two days after the field murder. The picture King is found near or

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on football stadium at the Diablo Valley
College in Pleasant Hill, California. Now

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we don't necessarily have the map out
yet claiming Mount Diablo, so the fact

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that these are occurring, or these
murders are occurring at Mount Diablo, or

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being the bodies are being found there
really is an afterthought or you know,

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may necessarily not be any relation whatsoever. But I did mark down that Patricia

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King was probably not a murder committed
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it really kind of fits Philip Hughes. So it states that she was found

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strangled with her own black tights.
So this is one of the themes that

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we are finding in these murders that
are happening in northern California. It says

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her body was found by a construction
worker from Oakland who is one of the

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men working on the unfinished stadium at
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Now, if they were able in
nineteen sixty nine to put together the

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college murder of Sherry Joe Bates and
then start using that in order to facilitate

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an EMO that law enforcement might follow, then I would say they have some

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inside knowledge to what was going on, because Sherry Joe Bates had not been

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attributed to the Zodiac killer at that
at that time, and also she was

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living in Pleasant Hill, and Pleasant
Hill is not something that's seen on the

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murder map that Sandy Betts is put
forward. So I question if anything that

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comes from Pleasant Hill, and Philip
Hughes seemed to be operating in the Pleasant

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Hill area. So last week we
ruled out Fred manally based on handwriting.

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I get old because again, I
ran across some more comparisons of fred Manalley.

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People were really looking to nail it
on him. But look at him.

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He looks nothing like the Zodiac killer. And you got to ask,

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what are they looking at and what
do they see when they see this face

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and say, oh, that's the
Zodiac. I mean, I know beauty

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is in the eye beholder, but
that usually means if something's attractive to you,

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it doesn't mean it necessarily appears to
look like something that it doesn't.

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And that brings us to Edward Wayne
Edwards by Moonlight, who was incarcerated sixty

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two sixty seven in Kansas, which
automatically for me rules him out as the

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possible Zodiac killer because he was not
available to do the Sherry Joe Bates murder,

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and we know that the Zodiac took
credit credit for the Riverside activity.

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He's also thirty five years of age
in nineteen sixty eight, so he's is

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a relatively young looking individual, but
does not look like the composite either,

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and he's not in the right places
at the right times. So one of

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the things that I noted on here
is that he was paroled in nineteen sixty

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seven of course, at that point
in time, I guess he had kind

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of gone a wall into something like
nineteen different states that his daughter is trying

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to state. In nineteen fifty five, it says Edwards escaped from jail and

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acron and drifted around the country robbing
gas stations. He wrote that he never

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disguised himself during these crimes because he
wanted to be famous. That is not

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a Zodiac killer move by any means. I mean, if anything we've learned

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from these letters is that he states
how well he's disguised himself and how well

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he will evade everybody, because he
hasn't left any evidence behind or anything concrete

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that they can use to arrest him. Edwards did make the FBI's ten most

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wanted list in nineteen sixty one,
following a nineteen sixty escape from a Portland

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org in jail where he'd been held
on suspicion of impersonating a federal officer.

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Again, something we haven't seen the
Zodiac do. There is some talk in

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the I forty five that there was
a possibility that the individuals were being adducted,

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trusted the individual and that people had
seen what looked like maybe an officer's

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uniform. We did talk a little
bit about that Jack in his security uniform

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would very well look like an officer, or at least come across like that.

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Edwards also became a motivational speaker afterwards. Again just not something I would

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expect to see from the Zodiac Killer. Another thing that we learned is that

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by nineteen eighty two he had returned
to crime and was imprisoned in Pennsylvania for

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two years for arson. Now Zodiac
did talk about fires, but it seems

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that edwards true motive for the people
he was arrested for killing I think there

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was five of them, is a
completely different motive. He is complete,

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totally, just down for whatever he
can get his hands on. So whether

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it be stealing like he said,
robbing these gas stations, or we're going

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to hear about one of the murders
that he committed, all seems to be

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motivated by money, which again is
not a motive that we see with the

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Zodiac Killer. He does into Kate. In a nineteen ninety three letter to

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the FBI that was found in his
papers, Edwards requested as criminal and history

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records for cities in nineteen States claimed
that Jake Edgar Hoover more or less gave

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me permission to proceed with his nineteen
seventy two autobiography after he assured who that

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there was nothing in it bad about
the FBI. I don't know why any

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criminal would have to assure Hoover anything
in regards to writing a book. But

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he was writing this book about criminals
he met while he was incarcerated, such

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as Tony Provenzano, Charles Manson,
and Jimmy Hoffa. So if this is

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the mob affiliation that Moonlight was talking
about, he met him in prison.

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He wasn't part of their gang.
He wasn't part of anything else on the

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outside. He was merely writing a
book about his interactions with them in prison.

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It also says that he met with
or So a former police detective in

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cold case and back investigator, Ja
Cameron published a true crime book on Edwards

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and alluded to him being the Zodiac
and in what they said was was Cameron's

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claims were met with the most universal
disdain, especially from law enforcement. So

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in that research I did find that
from nineteen sixty two to nineteen sixty seven,

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he was incarcerated in Kansas. Nineteen
seventy four to nineteen seventy eight he

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was in Pennsylvania, nineteen eighty he
was in Wisconsin committing a crime. In

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nineteen eighty two to nineteen eighty four
he was imprisoned in Pennsylvania, and nineteen

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ninety six he was in Troy Township, which I researched that I came up

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with Ohio or Pennsylvania, but Pennsylvania
seems to be his literal place of being

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for a majority of his life,
so it's likely that that is Pennsylvania.

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And then in two thousand he moved
with his wife to Kentucky, just before

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the DNA had come about on one
of the crimes that he committed, which

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then ultimately imprisoned him. He does. It does say that Edward Edwards lives

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in Doylestown from nineteen seventy four to
nineteen seventy eight, that Tim Hack and

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Kelly Drew, both nineteen in Wisconsin, were somebody that he killed, and

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Edwards was living in Kentucky where he
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They said that when he was confronted
by the police, Edwards started talking and

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didn't stop until he confessed to the
five murders. That again is not Zodiac

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style by any means. In one
of his murders, and this will give

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you an idea about his emo,
he persuaded I guess a foster child,

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a boy to go a wall from
the army in May of ninety six and

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to return home to Troy Township under
the rules of arranging a way to elude

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the army. Edwards took Danny Boy
to the woods near the house, where

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he fired two gunshots to the boy's
face. His motive was to collect Danny

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boys two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
insurance policy. Now, in some of

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the other murders that I researched that
he completed, he also shot them in

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the face with a shotgun. Again, this is not Zodiac mo. I

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couldn't find any information on Richard Anderson
that purportedly committed suicide within days of Fred

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manally because both of them were in
some type of cahoots with each other.

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Either way, I've now completely ruled
these individuals out, either for lack of

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proximity, for age, for not
matching the zodiac, and for handwriting.

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Moving on moonlight does give some good
information. In fact, that man burned

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alive in the cabin by Jack and
his son may have been Lewis Martinez.

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Date the body was found was November
eighth of nineteen sixty six. Location found

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was Clarksburg, California. And again
we talked about that CEO saturation at sixty

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four percent. Jack has returned to
California by September nineteen sixty six, so

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it does put him in the availability. We know that once he arrived in

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California in nineteen sixty six fall time
September area or September time, sorry,

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we know that he then traveled back
north again trying to find Doris, which

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she would have been in the San
Jose area, and it would put him

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on his path directly this direction.
Moonlight also believes that the remains below are

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done alass. So we see that
she has sent me this email with this

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school that is buried in the ground
here, and it says I won't be

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able to send her home due to
this being such a hot case. But

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Donna Las, it's not the zodiacs
such a hot case. I mean,

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Donna Las is a hot case in
itself. There was lots of man hours

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put into this or into the efforts
of finding her. She says. The

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skull image sent to you, which
is this one over here to the right.

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The remains were found in a laundry
bag, and it fits the person

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that Harriett suche left the flowers for
the blue away no longer available by email

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to receive. I'm not really quite
sure what that part means, but I

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was very interested in the laundry bag
notion because we know that Jack had gone

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to work for South Lake Tahoe Linen
Company at this time, or at least

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in this era we know, we
are not exactly sure when he started working

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for the linen company. However,
we know that's where he met Nora at

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and they are definitely together by nineteen
seventy one. She says at the bottom,

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I'm leaving the hot mess with law
enforcement. This is why I'm done

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matching and researching these unidentified has been
hanging around forty to fifty years through a

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serial killer or throw a serial killer
into the match, and it will be

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another fifty years for it to be
matched where no one knows anything about it

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anymore. And she might be right. If they keep taking things down from

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the Internet, eventually this information will
not be available anymore. So I also

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wanted to kind of take a back
pedal here really quick. On we talked

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a little bit about James Sharp and
Doreen Gall manson family members and scientologists.

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At least they had connections with both
side. Family members were aware that they

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were researching scientology. And there is
evidence that suggests that during Gall had actually

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dated Bruce Davis. And when I
had said I'd quoted Howt's name again erroneously

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last week, in which case Nolan
hid into Katidie wasn't sure who I was

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talking about, and it was because
I still had his name wrong in my

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presentation and I was talking about Christopher
Philip Zero Howt. So basically Davis or

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I'm sorry, Darling call knew Davis
from zero. We did note that she

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was stabbed over fifty times. It
appears actually to be a small blade.

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Let's get back to that really quick. Also, the Albany Times Union was

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the newspaper that assisted in identifying Doreen
Gall very very coincidental that Doreen had received

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a Zodiac letter, and then eventually
we see that the Albany Times Union is

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actually who the Zodiac writes in nineteen
seventy three. We can see some of

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the marks from the stab wounds.
They do appear to be rather small,

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so again we are likely dealing with
a very small knife, something like we

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saw in the Sherry Joe Bates murder. We saw that there was damage to

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the bottom of the feet. I'm
not sure if that is stab wounds or

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maybe she cut herself in the alley
or wherever it was that she was killed,

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but definitely a lot of stab wounds. That brings us back to the

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actual letter that was left in her
ball or her apartment I believe, or

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her room says so you think you
can fool the old killer. Ha ha.

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There's the letter L right before the
next line that says, no,

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all hyphen your movements and the time
they are made. So we have hyphens

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that are being used again to split
ideas or thoughts, which we've seen in

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Jack's handwriting and the Zodiac's handwriting.
It in many of actually the handwriting.

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So far, we know all your
movements and the time they are made.

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Time is short. Enjoy life while
you can. You are too beautiful to

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live, and I must kill you
the Zodiac killer with an extracurricular Z thrown

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down there. So we have two
extra l's and one extra Z. In

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this communication. And the oddity or
the reason why I brought these into play

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with what we have going on is
because this letter L. Again, how

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would these individuals know that this extra
letter L was something that was placed in

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the Elizabeth's short communications. We saw
them purposely cut out of a magazine and

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placed onto a paper and had no
relation to the rest of the message.

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So that tells me there's some type
of connection here with this letter L.

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And there's some type of indicator that
this L is providing to this communication,

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which might then convey that Harriet Suchet
is right about their being secondary messages.

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Who knows either way. I also
found that the blood dripping marks or the

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circles with the dots in the center
are definitely something we see in the Bleeding

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Knife. And if these things are
to be crossed over, or if the

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public is not finding out about these
until will into the future, then how

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is it that another person could know
to copycat in that same manner unless they

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had some type of inside information either
way, Let's see, yes, who

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would know to cross to cross reference
in a single communication? Black jaias Sherry

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Joe Bates because we have the typewritten
manner the time is short, I must

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kill you statements those income Miss Lake
Berriessa, Sherry Joe Bates. I mean,

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all of these these communications really kind
of cross over each other. You

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are too beautiful to live. We've
seen the word beautiful in the confession letter.

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In the convention letter, he said, I said it was about time.

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She asked me about time for what
I said, it was about time

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for her to die. So again
we have the time notion, the fool,

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the old Killer. Haha. I
did find that Lauren Swerningham's original salve

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of the three forty says, you
catch what's so damn funny, So of

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course haha falls right in line with
that. He hates getting caught. Don't

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assume an old nut dog is what
you've got. So that little rhyme over

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there is definitely up the poetic alley
of the Zodiac Killer. And we do

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see that in the Dorian gall The
Old Killer, which old nut dog,

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and we know that he is his
persona at this point in time, is

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definitely a killer, let's see.
So the typewritten all in caps is definitely

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like the Sherry Obates confession letter fulled. The Old Killer matches the Lauren swearing

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him solve knows all their movements kind
of reminds me of the John Benny Ramsey

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note which says if we monitor you
getting the money earlier. You can see

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that insert down here from the John
Benney Ramsey letter, I must kill you

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is kind of right up the same
lines with justified retribution Revolution and the statements

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made to the victims such at Lake
such as at Lake Berryessa where he says,

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I have to kill you guys,
so time is short. That just

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keeps bringing us back to the watches
and to the time references, which is

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definitely Black Dahlias Sherry jobates, the
Lake Berryessa murders fun reference, and then

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of course the dripping of these actual
characters that come down from underneath the Zodiac

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Killer is much like the bleeding Knife
letter to Fairfield and the annihilating letter to

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Robert Graysmith, which I do I
am convinced that the marks that were removed

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from that letter were purposely removed,
and those marks are consistent with other doodles

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and things we're going to see on
many communications. This kind of just mapped

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out where Darling Gaull's family lived on
Myrtle Avenue, right along the side of

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Albany Medical Center and the Veterans Affairs
Medical Center, which Moonlight and myself have

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both taken a heavy notice to the
fact that a lot of these seem to

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be happening around some type of military
installation, and that occurs all the way

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back in the Texarcana phantom murders,
which was at the Army depot, in

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which many within ten, fifteen,
twenty minutes of the Army depot, these

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murders were occurring almost as if they
had a safe haven. Once they committed

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00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:41.960
the crime, they could climb back
on base and the cops would be out

406
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.640
there looking for somebody who was in
the public and not necessarily somebody that was

407
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:53.319
in the army installation. So we
do see this as the Times Union envelope

408
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:59.640
in nineteen seventy three that's going to
be mailed there is a series of killings

409
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:04.559
of African American victims and the DC
Freeway phantom murders. I did note then

410
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:08.160
in an episode of Criminal Minds,
like I said, even though it's entertainment,

411
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:12.680
sometimes they're literally trying to get a
minimal amount of truth put into their

412
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:17.559
storyline so that it is believable.
And they mentioned the change in EMO and

413
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:22.519
the victimology of the Zodiac Killer,
which included males and females, black and

414
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.839
white victims. Now, if you
don't include the Albany, New York stuff,

415
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.440
we don't have any African American victims
in California that I know of,

416
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:37.519
other than when Jack's nephew Gary had
indicated that Jack attempted to run over a

417
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.119
black man and that he stabbed a
black man. But I have no proof

418
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:45.720
of those. I don't even have
victims for those. Aside from that,

419
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.799
everything else does not seem to fit
that MO. So how they were able

420
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.559
to put that together for that particular
episode on the Zodiac tells me there's a

421
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.319
possibility we should be looking for some
African American victims. And I think that

422
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:02.160
these communications probably solidify the fact that, yes, that's exactly where he changed

423
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:07.200
his m O. Otherwise, why
would this purely made for an entertainment show

424
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:12.319
know to attribute black victims to the
Zodiac unless it were true? That brings

425
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:16.519
us to another Sherry Joe Bates like
murder and Dominez like murder. We talked

426
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:21.960
back in nineteen forty seven about a
murder of a fifteen year old who was

427
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:27.359
walking home with her friends and just
collapsed, and nobody knew what was going

428
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.359
on. A man had walked by, evidently they must not have seen him

429
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:36.000
come into contact with her. But
after getting through the autopsy, they found

430
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.680
she had been stabbed a single time
that penetrated the heart and killed her.

431
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:45.640
So I skipped across this particular murder. November twenty eight, nineteen sixty nine.

432
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:50.240
Betsy artzma at Penn State University in
the Patty Library. She was a

433
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.680
twenty two year old woman from Holland, Michigan, United States, and a

434
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:58.279
graduate student at Penn State University who
was stabbed to death in broad daylight in

435
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:02.240
the stacks of the Patty Library,
Penn State's campus. This information, I'm

436
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:06.319
going to read you guys right now
is my old research, and then we're

437
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.319
going to compare that to today's research
and what can be found. But it

438
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:12.680
says she was stabbed a single time
through the heart with a single edge small

439
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:16.519
knife. Approximately one minute later,
two men came from I don't know how

440
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:21.519
they know this is one minute later
again, these is somebody else's words came

441
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:24.240
from Betsy's location and told a desk
clerk, somebody better help that girl.

442
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:29.839
And then exited the library. The
men were never identified. Twenty five to

443
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.759
thirty five minutes later, Betsy arrived
at the hospital where she was pronounced dead.

444
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:36.839
She had worn a red dress,
and since there was only a small

445
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:39.440
amount of blood visible and no one
immediately realized that she had been stabbed,

446
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:45.079
stabbed once with a small sized knife, which is consistent with Sherry Joe Bates

447
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:50.200
and the Dominga's murder. Betsy was
wearing the red dress that fits in or

448
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.880
ties in should I say, with
the Desktop Home. I don't know if

449
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.359
that was just fortuitous, because obviously
that poem was written approximately two to three

450
00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:07.000
years previous to this actual murder.
It says the appearance of being stabbed was

451
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.599
hid so well that it was not
detected that she had been stabbed until a

452
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:16.000
post mortem examination. Again cross connection
to Sherry Joe Bates case. In the

453
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:21.360
Desktop poem found in April nineteen sixty
seven that talks about that red dress,

454
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.920
two men were said to have been
seen exiting the library instructing others to help

455
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:30.079
that poor girl. I have found
several instances where Jack has had company in

456
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.360
some of these things, including the
statements by Rick Larson that indicates that Jack's

457
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.559
son was involved in the burning of
that man alive in the cabin. I

458
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.360
don't. I mean, I do
want to believe sometimes that there is more

459
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.800
than one person that's involved with this, but I find that the letters have

460
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:51.679
been written strictly by one individual.
The no indication of the wee verbiage like

461
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.440
we see an anthrax or in some
of the or the John Benny Ramsey letters

462
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.719
some of these other ones. So
it leads me to believe that he is

463
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:02.159
a loner in many of these kills, or he's certainly not talking about anybody

464
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:07.199
else who might be involved, but
it doesn't mean that they aren't. There

465
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.000
is some info on the Penn State
connection to the CIA, the mk ultra

466
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:15.000
stuff, especially with the Sandusky or
deal, and then all of a sudden

467
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:19.079
at this point in time, we
see at the end of nineteen sixty nine,

468
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.159
Jack buys a home at twenty four
fifteen Doburn Way, San Jose,

469
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:27.880
California. It says in the end
of nineteen sixty nine early nineteen seventy so,

470
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.760
and he owns this house until approximately
nineteen seventy two. Based on Dennis's

471
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:36.159
belief, I do need to do
some research on this because I need to

472
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.440
find out whether or not this property
was ever owned. But this requires going

473
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:43.039
back to the microfish at the county
Clerk's office, which is a long,

474
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.440
tedious process since you can't type in
a name and actually come up with options

475
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:50.800
to choose from. You really have
to just go through the entire database.

476
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.320
This house is also where he makes
the dark room so he can process films

477
00:35:54.320 --> 00:36:00.639
and photos. One of the articles
I was able to find, I don't

478
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.440
know how they have this nice clear
one here that I did find on the

479
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.880
internet, but the majority of the
ones I seem to find is this particular

480
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:13.519
version here with chunks and pieces missing. But I note that the newspaper wrote

481
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.480
at this particular point in time that
her body was found on the second floor

482
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:21.639
of the campus library Friday evening by
an unidentified student. State police said the

483
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:25.039
girl's body was covered with blood.
Now this contradicts the information that we just

484
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:30.000
heard before that nobody was aware of
the fact that she had been stabbed until

485
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:35.559
a post mortem examination because there was
so little blood that had actually come out

486
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.559
of the wound, being such a
tiny little stab to the heart. And

487
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:43.599
now we're seeing newspapers that says covered
in blood. But this literally could be

488
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.639
just the sensationalism of the newspapers.
Either way, it makes more money,

489
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:51.440
I suppose, if you make it
more gory and more interesting. This is,

490
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:55.320
I believe, the composite of what
they think one of the individuals look

491
00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:00.320
like. So while the other information
suggested there were two men that exited the

492
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:06.039
library, I actually came up with
the fact that they that in this particular

493
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.920
article here I don't know, not
in this article, but in the research

494
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:14.800
that I was doing that the library
clerk was told to get that girl help.

495
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:17.960
That sounds like a zodiac one on
one thing to do. But she

496
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.320
indicated that there was just a single
suspect. So I believe right here in

497
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:28.880
November twenty eighth, nineteen sixty nine, possible suspect and the Betsy Artsman murder

498
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:34.559
composit was made by the desk clerk
who saw him leaving the library. So

499
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.400
now that indicates that she only saw
one person leaving the library, not to

500
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:43.320
so where people get this information,
I really don't know either way. This

501
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:47.519
composit again with that big huge jaw. They tried to liken it to Bundy,

502
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.599
which I thought was interesting because he
does not seem to be and out

503
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:54.880
in the open, let everybody see
and know what he's doing type person.

504
00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.599
And in this article I actually found
where someone in law enforcement said to go

505
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:07.559
up to a girl and just stab
her. That is so non bundy Ish,

506
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:15.559
said Art Norman, a Portland organ
psychologist who served on Bundy's defense team.

507
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.719
None of his needs would be fulfilled. Although a killing in nineteen sixty

508
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:24.480
nine would have been early in Bundy's
murder spree, Norman said Bundy preferred violent

509
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:30.480
bludgeonings. So again, we can
kind of follow these amos to see whether

510
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:35.119
or not they are a fit for
these crimes. But this actual crime with

511
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:39.519
Betsy Artsma in November twenty eighth of
nineteen sixty nine was very similar to the

512
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:45.679
Sherry Joe Bates with the small knife, very similar to Lilian Domingus in Santa

513
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:49.519
Monica, California, on October two
of nineteen forty seven. And we almost

514
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.360
start to see a pattern here with
this small knife kills. This is October

515
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:58.559
second for Lilian Dominguez, We've got
October thirtieth for Sherry Joe Bates, and

516
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:07.039
we've got November twenty eight with Betsy
Artsma. I couldn't find any solemn information

517
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:08.760
on the two men. Again,
just like I just discussed that reported the

518
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.840
girl needing help, but the internet
information about her state does vary from what

519
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.400
the newspapers have printed. I did
pull another article here where it says student

520
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:23.320
collapses in the library. Again,
if only one individual seeing this happen and

521
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:28.480
walked by and just said to the
clerk, somebody needs to get that girl

522
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:34.599
help, then where is it that
they come to the understanding that anybody witnessed

523
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:39.000
or seeing this individual collapse. The
composite indicates the library clerk seeing this one

524
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:45.000
man leaving the library and had heavy
rimmed black glasses. That is definitely in

525
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.880
the realm of the Zodiac Killer.
And while we look at things like menally

526
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:52.960
and Edwards, they don't wear glasses
at all. So again I wouldn't attribute

527
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:57.039
this type of a merger to them, but I would attribute to the Zodiac

528
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:01.559
Killer himself. It brings us to
the December first, nineteen sixty nine,

529
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:06.840
a Lane Davis murder, And the
reason why I kind of ruled this one

530
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:08.480
out was not only based on m
O and what was going on, but

531
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:13.480
also the fact that evidently, if
the Zodiac is back on November twenty eight

532
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.800
in Pennsylvania. How would he then
two days later, three days later be

533
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:21.760
back in California. This is not
beyond the zodiac to be able to do.

534
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:25.440
I find that he travels quite frequently
and fluidly, and within matters of

535
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:29.559
hours, is able to make it
from one location to the next, and

536
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:34.960
usually driving straight through, likely because
he's on some type of drugs or methamphetamines

537
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:38.679
that would help him to stay awake
and continue the drive without having to stop

538
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:43.719
and rest. On December one of
nineteen sixty nine, A Lane Davis at

539
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:47.559
one fifty eight Pioneer Avenue, Walnut
Creek, California or Martinez. Again,

540
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:51.679
it's back and forth. I see
one that says Martinez. I see one

541
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.880
that says Walnut Creek. It's an
unsolved murder seventeen years old. She was

542
00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:00.599
abducted from her house with her little
sister who was home from a last lighting

543
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.679
door. Again, the subduction from
a home type thing has not been something

544
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.679
we've seen so far. It says
some clothes were found in the backyard.

545
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:12.880
Clothes were found off of six eighty
and Alamo, and then clothes were also

546
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.599
found along the highway in Highway seventeen
in Scott's Valley. I wish the information

547
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:20.280
was a little bit more clear.
I mean, was it you know,

548
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:22.199
the socks here, the underwear here, or the pants here, the shirt

549
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.760
there, or it almost sounds like
she tried to run away with this huge

550
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:30.679
bag of clothes and just kept dropping
him or talking out the window on the

551
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:37.840
way out. Not again, necessarily
the zodiacmo he is more opportunistic versus this

552
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:42.519
stocking type. The individuals where he
kills them, they haven't been there long.

553
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.159
It wasn't as if he had an
opportunity to know that this was their

554
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:51.239
behavior or where they would go on
particular evenings, or that it was known

555
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.519
that they would attend or go on
particular evenings that could even set a pattern

556
00:41:54.679 --> 00:42:00.400
for him. So he was definitely
more opportunistic. BET's murder applets a victim

557
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:05.639
in Walnut Creek and shows i think
four victims for the Santa Cruz directions,

558
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:09.559
so they basically found her body in
the Santa Cruz area and she was abducted

559
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:14.679
from Walnut Creek. So I'm not
sure how this would be listed in the

560
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.519
murder map for Sandy Betts since she
was taken from Walnut Creek and found floating

561
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:22.239
in Santa Cruz. Again, this
also wraps me around Philip Hughes because he

562
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:28.000
has admitted to abducting and strangling and
doing these type of things with these girls,

563
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:31.039
so this may likely be another Hugh's
possibility. At the time, the

564
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:36.079
investigators mistakenly estimated the age of the
victim to be twenty to twenty five years

565
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:39.360
old rather than the seventeen years old
that she was, so they didn't put

566
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:44.039
the two together. But in two
thousand, a Walnut Creek police detective reviewed

567
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:50.719
the Davis case. The detectives scoured
databases looking for recovered unidentified persons and learned

568
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:53.360
of the body recovered in Santa Cruz. With the assistant of the Santa Cruz

569
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:59.039
County Corners Office and a forensic anthropologist, investigators were able to exhume the body.

570
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:02.639
Investigators were able to identify the body
as a Lane Davis. Probably not

571
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:09.960
the Zodiac or at least I'm lending
that direction. The final Manson family member

572
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:14.679
murder that I became aware of,
or at least that I know of,

573
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:20.079
is this December second, nineteen sixty
nine murder of Joel Dean Pew. Now

574
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.960
he was killed at the Tallgarth Hotel
in West Kensington, London, England.

575
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:29.719
He was a Manson family member.
They definitely were trying to figure out whether

576
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:31.920
or not Bruce Davis was in the
country at the time when the murder occurred.

577
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:37.039
There were just some strange oddities that
actually happened around it. Of course,

578
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:42.639
following the fact that and what the
information I used to be able to

579
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:47.079
find on the Internet was that that
he was escaping Scientology and wanted to get

580
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:51.079
away from it. I don't know
if any of that is true by any

581
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:58.320
means, but he wasn't known Scientology
member, and there was some writings that

582
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.119
were found in reverse and drawing on
the mirror of the hotel room where he

583
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:06.280
was found dead. Now he purportedly
committed suicide, in which case they stated

584
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:10.079
he had cut his wrists and cut
his own neck or yeah, sliced his

585
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:14.719
own neck twice. I'm not sure. I mean, I get it that

586
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:20.000
you could probably slice your wrist a
few times without having any major side effects

587
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:23.119
from that, but to have cut
your own throat twice seems a little odd

588
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:27.199
to me. So they did say
that he was found locked in his room,

589
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.960
that his body blocked the door.
He had never locked his door because

590
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.119
his seven year old son would come
to visit him on a regular basis,

591
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.239
which also really kind of boggles me. Even if he's having some mental issues

592
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.159
as they have indicated, or at
least as they'd like to portray now these

593
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.960
days, he knew that his seven
year old son came to visit him and

594
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:49.280
kept his door unlocked on a constant
basis, so that that seven year old

595
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.920
could get in whenever he wanted to. And why would he commit suicide,

596
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.880
especially in such a way that it
was a possibility his seven year old son

597
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.519
could walk in and be devastated by
this. So some things don't add up.

598
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:05.119
But these writings that were on the
mirror that were found, and of

599
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.400
course nobody took any pictures of it. Police department did not take any fingerprints

600
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.679
out of the room. They really
didn't do anything because they just figured he

601
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:19.079
committed suicide. The manager had remembered
seeing on the mirror in the room written

602
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:23.000
in lipstick, which that always gets
my attention, the words Jack and Jill

603
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:28.519
written backwards, and of course there's
that Jack reference, so that made things

604
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:30.920
stand up. But I don't have
any information that suggests that Jack was in

605
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:36.119
London, England. Again, if
he's part of the people in the group

606
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:38.679
I suggest he is, then there
is a possibility he had access to a

607
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:45.440
plane and could easily have flown from
the Pennsylvania area. Sees how, he's

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already on that side of the United
States, so there is a possibility that

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this one could be in the realm. But I just don't have anything that

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suggests otherwise other than a few scrawlings
on a mirror. There's more information here,

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like the Scientology Organization headed by the
Sea Organization, which is much like

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or fashioned after the United States Navy, some of the comprised of some of

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the information that is comprised of who
he was involved with and what he might

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have been a part of. I'm
not going to take a lot of time

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to read that, because again I
have no proof that he was. I

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just was following these murders in the
Scientology and Manson family realm. Now,

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in that research, I also came
up with some additional clippings from the newspapers,

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and one of them, again doesn't
shock me, says the Zodiac Calls

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radio station in Oklahoma City. Now, they stated that they felt like there

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might have been a similarity between the
voice of the man from Napa State Hospital

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who had called into the radio station
asking to speak with Melvin Belli or Ethlee

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Bailey. However, here at this
radio station, it doesn't really state what

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it is that he talked about,
just says that he called in. And

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I'm just a little taken aback by
the fact that it's Oklahoma City because we

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have proof that Jack has a PO
box in Oklahoma City. We know he

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has family ties there because he is
inheriting money as of nineteen eighty from one

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of his family members. He carries
a PO box there, which Dennis claims

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he had carried for pretty much all
the time that he'd known Jack. Jack

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would travel back and forth to Oklahoma
to pick up marijuana from this po box.

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So we know that there's an established
proximity to this area, and it

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extended into at least nineteen eighty via
the po box. And then the will

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that was gifting to the family members
and shows Jack Terrence being listed in Oklahoma

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with an address, So we are
showing that proximity and I thought that was

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very interesting. Now, in another
article it says, oh, gosh,

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guys, well, we got about
one minute left here, I think I

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will go ahead, and you've off
at this point. I had hoped to

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make it to a few more letters. At this point in time, we're

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just gonna drop off. We'll come
back. There are at least three more

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letters and probably about one to two
more murders in this series before we are

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going to discuss any more solves.
I do have some interesting solves that we

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may be discussing next week, but
for now, I'm going to let everybody

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go enjoy this beautiful weekend, and
we will see you next Friday. Thank

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you so much.