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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Road Jack Finding the Zodiac. Last
week we left off in the summary of

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Jack Terrence and the Zodiac Killer.
I'm going to go ahead and pick up

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for a couple slides, try to
finish that information off, and then we'll

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be welcoming our guests to the show. So I'm gonna go ahead and put

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up the presentation right now and we
will finish like I said on Jack Terrence.

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Obviously, we have this color rendition
of the Zodiac composite that has been

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done at some later date, many
years after the composits originally done on the

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Zodiac. But we can see that
even when they actually colorized it, they

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had a reddish brown blonde type hair
going on there. Based on the descriptions,

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and it is still definitely fitting in
with Jack Terrence. Again, we

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talked about him actually holding the gun
to the back of this gal's head.

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Now, Moonlight had brought up that
she wasn't sure who this girl was.

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Dennis indicated that it was some girl, but not somebody he knew. I

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was under the impression it might have
been one of Nora's daughters. So I'm

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going to have to do some research
on that and find out who this individual

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is because Moonlight actually found a missing
person who she is trying to match with

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remains, and she believes that person
looks a bit like this individual. Moving

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on with that evidence, we do
see that Jack did in fact have a

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Chevy and Paula, but I believe
this picture is just a little too early

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to be around the nineteen sixty nine
time frame in which the white and Paula

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was seen in the Lake Herman Road
events. He also owned a Ford Falcon.

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I'm not sure if this is the
Ford Falcon, but we are still

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looking for the brown car that the
Zodiac claims that he climbed into. Jack

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also had a Cadillac in the sixties, and he also had a white Corvet

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per Dennis's information with his ex wife
Doris Reynolds. I am doing some research

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on those cars. Of course,
I've not figured out what we were looking

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at yet, so I'm going to
zoom past that. And I want to

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actually bring on now Nolan del Campo, attorney at law, and Terry Batcher,

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Good afternoon, Terry, good morning, Good afternoon. I guess it's

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kind of both right now, isn't
it. We left off last week no

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covering some of the information in regards
to the summary of Jack Terrence and Alista

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Crowley, and I believe that you
had some information that you were wanting to

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relay when we dropped off, so
I wanted to go ahead and give them

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an opportunity to go into that.
Yeah, really quick. On the last

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program, you referenced Alista Crowley and
l Ron Hubbard. Well, both those

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men didn't have direct ties to a
guy named Jack Parsons was the founder of

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JPL Jet Bulsion Laboratories. People say
that JPL actually stood for Jack Parsons Laboratories

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because it's not jet propulsion, it's
rocket propulsion. But anyway, Crowley,

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l Ron Hubbard, and furs all
had connections well and defending I see that

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first is talking about out with scientology. I actually am going to least touch

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on that subject as it pertains to
the Manson family because he made the comment

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the family gets what the family wants, right, Terry, Right, That

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was on Vildo Show. Okay,
So, and I have recently latched onto

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a Netflix series that covers something called
The Family. And if you if you

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watch this series, it is definitely
the elite of the elite that the person

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who heads that organization stands next to
the president of it, every single president

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since Eisenhower. So very interesting that
we have a lot of Eisenhower's stamps coming

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out in the Zodiac stuff. And
you, you yourself also believe that the

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Zodiac is in some way related to
the Manson family's family that he speaks about,

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right, Terry, Well, it's
yet not direct evidence, but they

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run pretty parallel, don't they.
The way that the timing and the way

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they operated and absolutely all that stuff. Absolutely so. I fast ward.

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There is this letter which we've spoken
about in the past in regards to or

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was sent to mister Adams in from
Oakland, California to let's see reading California,

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and it has the two stamps the
Franklin D. Roosevelt, which has

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been a commonality in the mailings of
the Zodiac Killer. And it looks like

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the envelope opens up from the side, But the contents of the letter was

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one which an individual claimed he had
gotten involved with the mafia at the age

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of seventeen. This letter states he
broke away two years ago, which would

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make in about nineteen sixty seven,
which is when I say that Jack losses

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Handlers when MK Midnight Climax or ak
AK MK Ultra was shut down. This

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same author also speaks of the CIA
mafia Florida, Mexico, Cuba. It's

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sent airmail, which is interesting,
not necessary if you're sending from Oakdale to

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Reading, but I think airmail is
also kind of a military thing, isn't

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it do either of you know?
Airmail? That's old school, That's what

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I'm saying, like old school.
Like um. At any rate, they

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did do im examination at the FBI
and they ruled this individual out. So

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um. This is where I found
that they were asking for the belltop A's

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to be executed by the suspects,
which brings to point that these belltop A's

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or something they found in the communications
as well. From the Zodiac Killer.

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Um, we have an interesting letter
found in the Foy file, which obviously

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that is that letter. UM,
since they've ruled him out. I'm not

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really going to go into this next
section, and you can pause and read

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this for yourself, but it just
gives some background on the information, talks

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a little bit about the things that
I think Jack was actually involved with it

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as well. It's almost like this
letter as a description of what Jack's life

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was. The The letter writer himself
takes credit in other communications to his wife

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about blowing up with a car bomb
one of the casino owners in South Laketahoe,

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which I did have Shartrand in here. Everybody remember Shartrand. Yes,

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casino owner being killed before, like
a couple months ago. Yes, So

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I'm not gonna go through all of
that again, but that leads us right

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on into the October twenty first,
nineteen sixty nine article that was a message

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out to the Zodiac Killer from the
San Francisco Examiner. Again Hurst. If

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I'm gonna imagine anybody being part of
the family, especially with if you watch

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the Netfix series, the family,
Hurst would definitely have been one of the

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people who was involved with the family. This message to the Zodiac is not

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telling him to turn himself in and
to stop killing the public. It says

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to change his identity, to move
away, change his job, get a

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new life, basically, get a
family, do what you gotta do,

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Go be someone else. They don't
blame you for killing um like the press

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and the law enforcement is done because
government has putting guns in people's hands during

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Vietnam and they're just as guilty as
the Zodiac would be. And this person

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doesn't want to crucify the Zodiac.
They just want him to move on and

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leave us alone. Very I think
that's what's actual. Is there an actual

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author of that um by Blaze Blaise? Okay, so who are Blaze or

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blame? It's very glory And I
do have this scrub deciphered in our previous

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conversation about it where I actually typed
up the entire article and read that on

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one of the podcasts. But anyways, very interesting to note that October twenty

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first, nineteen sixty nine, they're
telling him to leave this area, stop

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killing. At this point in time, we know that Jack is getting ready

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to make a move to South nick
Tahoe, which is why the Shartran bombing

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was interesting because I usually find that
there is some type of murder previous two

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Jack moving to that area, so
that when he leaves to come back and

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pack up in the opposite state,
they're searching for a killer that's not there.

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And then he looks like he's arriving
three weeks a month later to the

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new location as a person who just
moved to the area, so he never

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falls under suspicion. That brings us
to the November fifth, nineteen sixty nine.

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I'm going to call it a suiciding
of John Philip Zero Hot out of

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Venice Beach, California. He was
shot in the head. Once. There

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were no fingerprints that were found on
the weapon, which is interesting because at

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least his fingerprints, right, Nolan
should have been on this gun. Yeah,

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it was wipe down, Yes,
so it was said to have been.

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He was said to have been playing
Russian Roulette with himself, but the

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police found the weapon fully loaded,
so again, he wasn't even shot with

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his own gun. Yeah, Joan
believes the roo. Yeah, when you

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play rest and Roulette, there's just
one bullet, that's what's right. I

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guess, uh, you know,
there's the information I got. But like

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I said, they they they've messed
up all kinds of people's names in these

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cases when they report. So I
was, what's that? Go ahead and

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keep going, all right? So
no one, no one it is.

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I'm pretty sure you're checking. Huh
um, I'll correct that if that is?

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That is it? So it says
no one blows the rulette? What's

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that? What are you trying to
correct the name of how zero? That?

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Sure? Yeah? What were you
saying? Anyway? I don't have

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an index in this particularly the nickname
was was zero? Yeah, I have

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all of the name to me A
sometimes I read that stuff. Nolan was

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saying that he believes his name is
Christopher. So that's all we were trying

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to work out if you knew the
name we know he was called zero.

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So his middle name Philip the last
name out. No one believes the roulette

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yet. No one has been charged
with his murder. The Manson family home

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is his last residence and he was
arrested with the Manson family in the Barker

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Ranch raid. After getting out of
jail, he moved to Venice Beach House

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with the Manson family with the other
members that were was owned by Mark Ross.

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Do you know anything about Mark Ross? Yeah, he was affiliate.

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They hung out at his house.
He put them up for a while.

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Yeah. I think he lived in
Venice, But I thought Zero died in

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Kanoga Park. But I could be
wrong. Again, I could be very

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wrong. That's why I try to
research these and get as much information as

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I can on him. This is
what I had come up with, and

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I obviously still have down here search
Manson family in scientology, because I did

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not feel like this was all that
there was probably to say about this particular

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murder, But it was just what
I found at the time. The key

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that the caveat here is that we
just came off the Tate and lobby ONCA

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murders, these very horrendous murders that
the Manson family has committed, and to

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me, it seems that we're going
to see a retaliation of at least four

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Manson family members following and this is
the beginning. This is the first one

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so being ruled a suicide, but
the fingerprints were like clean from the gun

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and it was fully loaded. Does
not fit any of the theories or statements

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that have been made by anybody in
this particular case. So we do know

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that the Manson family has some type
of connection to scientology in some way ultra

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subject. Also, when it was
in federal prison, he studied scientology,

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gotcha. So I thought that there
was some type of connection, and we

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are seeing that to be true.
And I would even look at science Bology

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again one of those greater organizations that
would likely have some head of the table

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at the family, you know,
annual prayer breakfast or something like that,

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Like it's right up there with the
people of whose people. Yeah, a

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lot of Manson's teachings parallel the teachings
of scientology. He took a lot from

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scientology and then kind of twisted it
and made it his own thing. Well,

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he is twisted, we can say
that for sure. Kind Of like

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the Process Church, a group of
Satanists. They were former scientologists as well,

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huh and so and then they went
deep in satan Huh. They're involved

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in the Son of Sam Murders Process
Church. Um. Scientology doesn't necessarily believe

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in the devil? Do they?
I don't know, but a lot of

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people that got into scientology kind of
went that direction. I feel like they

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sway from religion and sciences their back
team. But I don't know enough about

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him. No, that's whatever.
Christ's opening statement was, beware of the

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man who preaches to appeal in the
eyes of man, for the gates of

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veal or wide, and many false
prophets shall pass. So that's what the

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family believes. As he's giving his
servant, he's you know, saying,

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you have to be aware of people
like me that are telling you what you

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know on running your minds. Also
right, and the families. The families

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personna basically is that the imperfect vessel
is what delivers the Lord's words. So

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when people like Trump or senators cheat, lies, steal re elections, do

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any of these things kill probably even
they're given a pass because they're considered that

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imperfect vessel that God chose to deliver
the message. So as long as they

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deliver the message of the Lord,
they can do no wrong. And they

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are chosen and that's why they sit
in the position of power that they do.

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And that just blows my mind real
quick. Going back to zero,

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his name was Christopher. I've got
a picture of him. We're here,

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Okay, you can text that to
me. I'd appreciate it. I'll throw

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it it. Oh, I don't
know Oh, there you go. That's

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after yeah, yeah, definitely yeah. Zero. Well that brings us to

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the next communication in the Zodiac case, which is the dripping pen or the

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poison pen card, whatever you'd like
to actually call it. Um the log

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four Law Enforcement says. On eleven
eight, nineteen sixty nine, the San

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Francisco Chronicle received a card saying,
sorry, I haven't written, and the

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pen is dripping. It says,
and it looked it looks like red ink

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coming off of it. I don't
know if this is one of the cards

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he had an opportunity to alter to
his liking as far as colors were concerned,

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or what he put in there.
Just a very interesting greeting card that

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says, sorry, I haven't written, but I just washed my pen dot

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dot dot, which I find interesting
because we did just receive the Stein letter,

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so it's not as if he hasn't
written in a while, but he's

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alluding to the fact that he's sorry
he hasn't, which means he has a

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lot to say. Obviously. What's
that stuff on the right little scribblings on

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the right, um, right here
in the black, right here in the

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middle. Yeah that yeah, okay, so that's part of the greeting card,

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I believe, which is interesting.
So it says, sorry, I

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haven't written, but I just washed
my pen and I can't do a thing

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with it, So I am not
sure. Yeah, commercial right, right?

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Right? Yeah, So that's a
commercial image that the card maker put

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on there, right, that's a
Jackson meant. I can never understand that

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the whole a lot of the things
I've studied Zodiac. I was like,

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what didn't he or mean by the
washed his pan? In can't do a

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thing and just find this card and
decide to use it, or what's your

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overview of that? Um? I
think, well, I think the last

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letter came in on October eighteenth,
so it's been almost a month since he's

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written, so he cleverly found something
that. Um that's what I'm question,

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what I'm asking you, is is
that like that image that's of that pan

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on the right hand side of my
screeners I'm looking at it, is that

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that's what came on this particular that
was part of this particular greeting card.

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This is the backside, Yeah,
this is the front and the backside that's

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the jesters on it. This right
here for blood draft. I don't know

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what appears to be part of it, but I would have to see something

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better than this image to make a
determination. It looks like it's part of

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the card um And this right here
is the inside of that card, so

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you can see the scene going up
right about here. It's approximately probably a

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four inch greeting card across, maybe
maybe it's inch. But then you can

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see that same seam up here,
so you can see that that's actually the

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width and size of the card when
it's folded up, so the inside of

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it it says, this is the
zodiac speaking. I thought you would need

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a good laugh before you hear the
bad news. You won't get the news

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for a while yet. PS could
you print this new cipher in your front

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page. I get awfully lonely when
I am ignored, so lonely I could

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do my thing. And of course, underneath the zodiac sign, he alludes

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to December, July, August,
September, and October. Now here's the

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big question, what happened in August. I'm going to have to go back

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and see check in with Moonlight.
She seems to be on the hot topic

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of missing people and other individuals killed. He's claiming seven individuals we know that

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in December we had two, July
we had one, September we had one.

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October we had one, for a
total of five. So we're looking

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for two other murders. I think
in August, what do you guys think?

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Well, I want to point out
that August was the debut of the

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speaking documents or this is a zodiac
speaking that lingo didn't start until August of

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sixteen. I know. But but
but with the other four months alluding to

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and happen happening to be attacks,
we've got something in August. I mean,

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he wouldn't go attack, attack,
letter attack, attack, did something

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in August exactly. That's that's what
God has killing me, and he's killing

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seven and he knows that two has
survived, so he doesn't have seven deaths.

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He has five deaths at the time. Write Well, he was a

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you know, I hate to say
it, but I think the guy was

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also a liar, and that because
you and I had discussed the other day

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that there's no way he hit in
the presidio after doing Stein. The dogs

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are going to find you right away, So he didn't hide in the persidio

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park. He definitely had some place
to go. They had a point of

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view, Yes, I believe that
he he he, he's not going to

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tell you the house he was in, and he's not going to tell you

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he sat in the house and watched
them searched the park. That's too close

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to home. So saying I was
in the park and watched it, yes,

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might be a small white line,
but he still watched it. Nonetheless,

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he was there. I'm sitting out
saying he didn't watch it. I'm

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just saying that he didn't do it
from the park because they would have easily

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napped him. Was he'll never get
away from a dog, and even an

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untrained dog's gonna go after a person
with human blood out. They're gonna pick

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that up, the old blood,
but they're gonna go. They're gonna good

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on him through. And the other
issue is we're the cops still after a

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black person at that point. No, okay, well they may have been.

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They may have been. I don't
know at what point. But Fulkins

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saw him for sure, and uh
he said so. And folks had to

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come back with the stale between his
life to admit that he let the zodiac

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go. And by the way,
Zolms died shortly after that, as you

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may know he was die violent.
He was shot within ten days of that,

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so that maybe that's the August.
Well, no, that would be

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that would be September, October,
Yeah, I know that would be in

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October. So not with the August. And Zelms is actually in the beginning

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of the Dirty Harry movie that that
memorial that goes up that you see has

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Zelm's name on it. Eric Zelm's
name was on the memorial by the time

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Dirt the movie Dirty Harry was produced, and so well, how ironic is

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that? But my point is is
that if he didn't go into presidio presidio,

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how did he get away? Did
he? He was last seen climbing

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a set of stairs according to folk, and folk wrote that, and and

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you pointed out that how he got
to that address where he was starting to

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climbing the stairs. So not only
did he give him the he went that

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away treatment to the cops, he
also climbed the stairs like he was going

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right to a place where I hadn't
seen. I hadn't seen the information where

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it says he climbed in these stairs, or that folks saw him climb in

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these stairs. So that's not that's
new information to me. And if folks

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saw him stairs to something, why
didn't they search that whole building? Well,

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I don't think they caught on too. He didn't. It was days

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later before he admitted before U Tosky
was it or not to Folk before he

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admitted that he had to go back
and say, we think we saw the

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guy because they thought they were looking
looking for a black guy, and they

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weren't looking for a you know,
a black perpetrator. They weren't looking for

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a white perpetrator. So they really
weren't even looking at the advantage to him

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because they got the false lead,
you know, right off the bat.

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And then with the information you provided
about that that was very interesting too.

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I did not know that. So
yeah, so Folk did not report this,

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and this report did not get written
until November twelfth of nineteen sixty nine,

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So you are correct. It happened
some time later. I knew it

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happened later. This was a long
time ago. I read this stuff because

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I was trying to years ago.
I was trying to catch up to you

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and cat signed everybody what they knew
about Zodiac at the time. But I

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don't want to crash course of all
things zatcha ye, my head. You

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know, usually I don't let falster
Nolan. You had something that you got

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cut off. You were trying to
say sorry. Oh now, just about

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the officers and the whole situation that, yeah, they were embarrassed that they

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had an opportunity to maybe nab the
killer, and because they were really impression

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at that point that it was a
black man that had done the shooting,

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they just let him walk on buy
and they listened to him. Oh he

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went that way, you know,
and they went off the other way instead

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of detaining that suspect and say,
wait a minute, dude, what are

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you doing here? The boy well, and I can't imagine them being embarrassed.

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They were given a blow on a
blackmail, So that doesn't make any

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sense. What kind of might even
make a little more sense as the narrative

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that they then later after allowing him
to walk away and get away on purpose,

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is that they later made the claim
that it went out as a blackmail

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erroneously in order to cover up the
fact that they actually let the perpetrator walk

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away. But they're this in mind
that he's casually taken his sweet time to

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get this piece of bloody shirt he's
sauntering away from the thing. He's also

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so the whole client was very sophisticated. It was that bakay clever how he

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pulled it off. And you know, I was actually able to taught the

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cops, you know, when they
figured out what happened later on. I

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mean it's you know, he really
had they really had his ducks in a

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row when he did this scrvate cart
right right, he recognized maybe not you

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know, um Yeah, So there
was definitely a lot of planning that went

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into it. There's evidence that he
really knew Paul Stein because he was sitting

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in the front seat of the cab. There's a lot of things that,

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yes, that brings us back to
um some pre planning and some knowledge of

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the circumstances that's almost never happens.
If as he was sitting in the front

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seat, I think the policy and
I know, I know what, I

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know where you're going with this.
Then we had already covered Stein that it

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is not their policy to allow people
to sit in the front seat. But

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it says that um uh Stein was
known to allow people he knew sit in

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the front seat. So along with
this greeting card came the notorious three forty

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cipher. UM, and I questioned
all the time, hasn't been solved.

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There are a lot of people who
think they've come up with solves on it.

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Um. It is three hundred and
forty symbols, which is seventeen across

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and twenty down, it says.
Photocopies of the new cryptogram were sent to

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Washington. The National Security Agency and
the Central Intelligent Agency assigned their top men

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and their most sophisticated code crack computers
to the latest cipher, but to date

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it still remains untranslated. UH supposition
is that there was never any message at

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all, That Zodiac merely composed a
hodgepodge of letters, knowing an immense effort

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would be undertaken to unscramble them.
Right, But you can make that anything

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you wanted to be with a keycord. But I want to point something out

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about that. While you're on that
subject, to the three forty cipher,

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I think I'm still on that subject. I hadn't finished yet with my stuff,

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right, but I needed to say
hold on, hold on um.

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So basically, Jack had mentioned to
Dennis that when he created the three forty

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cipher, there was no solve,
and that was meant just to give the

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pops some busy work. Which is
interesting because we do see the zodiac repetitively

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make the statement that he was keeping
people busy um in this this particular three

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forty cipher. We have recently had
Orange Chack come out and state that he

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has come to was solved on this
particular code, and they made the comment

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that the last two symbols they believed
to be the sign off or the signature

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of the person who executed this particular
sign What we find in that section is

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that monogram of Jack W. Terrence
that I've been talking about so far,

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which added with a plus sign could
literally indicate that he is the second.

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So Jack W. Terrence plus one, if you will, so go ahead,

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Darry. Two quick points there.
Flov is in every quadrant. If

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you divide this thing up in four
quadrants, flov flov Hey Floga is in

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all four quadrants of this document.
The only other thing that I could ever

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get from it is if you look
at the second line and the one two,

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three, four fifth character over on
the second line, that's an image

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for a couples. That's something that
that Harry had had pointed out to a

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long time ago in an In fact, if you work this little puzzle by

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that simple you end up on on
uh know, is it mountains Mountain Diablo?

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No, not Diablo is another one
north in northern California. The coordinates

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for for a zig zag trail on
the Mountain Ima have one of my senior

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moments or I can't remember the name
of that trail. That's the only thing

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significant that I ever found out the
thing, and I like both of it

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because tons of people smarter than me
worked on it. But I just those

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are the standout things, the flow
with it on the standout zodiac. Okay,

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thank you, Yeah, I don't. I don't bring that up.

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I don't mention that because obviously it
doesn't quite really say f l O V

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A in a in a in a
letter thing. If you look at it,

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they're all adjacent letters right next to
you exactly. I know, I

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know that, but that that's that's
okay. So that's my point. Is

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anything that ate up by somebody's perception. Um, I don't really kind of

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tend to know what I did.
But what I did know this is that

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I Harriet such suche will have her
on next week in regards to her solves.

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But one of the things that she
noticed right off the bat with the

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three forty cipher is that every place
that there was a period dot used as

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one of the symbols and a hyphen, that a radiant line actually goes right

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down and through. So you can
see period dot, period dot, hyphen,

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period dot, period dot. I'm
not sure where it is underneath this

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one period dot right there, hyphen
right there. So we clearly see that

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radiant that he is going to talk
about later in the bus bomb about Mount

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Diablo. Um So, I think
that this is a great impression of that

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radiant system that they eventually came up
with Pelican bet. That's what I meant

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to say, Pelican beer. They
think it was or had something to do

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with the Pelicans. It's been a
long time, but that's what flov is

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just an adjacent letter thing and no
other symbols do that on a whole document.

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You know what I'm saying. I
know well that people have found things

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like Kane, people have found things
like herb like people have found things they

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say, but I don't want yeah, now know only you had something you

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wanted to add to that. I
was just gonna ask for why does the

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same amount diablo up there to the
right as I put that, I think

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it may have been instead of the
ciphered assault, and I think it had

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more to do with radiance. That's
what I said. Yes, it definitely

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has something. There's definitely some type
of UM evidence that supports and even on

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one of the lines we have two
two period dots which we had two attacks

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on one of the lines as well. So this this era right here is

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meant to represent magnetic north at that
time was about seventeen degrees um, and

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this would be representative of the kills
that he's made thus far. So maybe

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we have to look a little further
into this one to see if we can't

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find what August was, and maybe
August is representative of these particular hyphens that

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go straight out. Oh okay,
you have August in your mind. You

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want to fit something out of August. Okay, I don't want to fit

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something, he said, I want
to find Yeah, all right. So

406
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:17.240
in the cipher and Dripping pencard,
from the handwriting point of view, in

407
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:22.039
the linguistics UM, we had Harriet
talk about the poison pen that was attempted

408
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.920
to use in the killing or the
assassination of Castro that went south. Um.

409
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:33.440
We saw that there was many misspelled
words, both with single letter or

410
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.359
double letter misspellings. Um. He
said, I thought you would need a

411
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.000
good laugh before you hear the bad
news. So he's always trying to present

412
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.160
some type of a fun factor.
You won't get the news for a while.

413
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:48.119
Yet I'm not exactly sure again what
he may be talking about regards to

414
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.240
this um is this the august Um
killings we haven't heard about yet. So

415
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:59.240
again, thinking or just trying to
wrap my mind around that statement, it

416
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:02.400
says you won't ps. Could you
print this cipher on your front page?

417
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:06.240
Once again, he's trying to get
a message out there, and I get

418
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.519
awfully lonely when I'm noored, so
so lonely I could do my thing.

419
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:15.839
So being sent to the San Francisco
Chronic Chronicle and please rush to editor.

420
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.920
In the back of the envelope said
please rush to editor as well, and

421
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.880
we get our second cipher from this
individual. Well, one point on that

422
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:29.960
as far as the pen goes and
the the image of the ink being blood

423
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.599
driven from the tip of it,
didn't he use a pen flashlight attached to

424
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:38.799
a gun, yes, Lake Herman
Road and maybe even blue Ock Springs,

425
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:45.119
but definitely Lake Herman Road. Right, at least we have a witness that

426
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.920
can tell us that for sure he
also said Hello D. And that tells

427
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.200
it he knows who D was,
so she was tired in you know.

428
00:32:53.319 --> 00:33:00.160
He Majoe is on tape saying that
he that the killer said Hello D then

429
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:06.319
shot her. So definitely when there
is some affiliation and was a random no.

430
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.119
And Harriet believes that all these individuals
are aware of and knew who Jack

431
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:13.960
was because they were all in the
same circle. Interesting things to say about

432
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:17.519
that, absolutely, yea yeah,
Now out involve the Zodiac. I think

433
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:23.200
the Donna ferre One has the most
chance of having connections to all kinds of

434
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:34.400
things. Darlian Farren, Yes,
yes, Earle Fay. We do have

435
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.200
an article that came out about Zodiac
changes code in the new cryptogram. I

436
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:42.079
thought it was an extremely interesting statements
that they had to make, it,

437
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:46.160
says new Puzzle. The analysis was
made by Examiner staff members using the zodiac

438
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:51.880
alphabet derived from the solution of the
original cryptograms sent by the killer to three

439
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:57.359
different newspapers early in August. It
suggests that contrary to police expectations that the

440
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.960
new cipher could be interpreted in a
matter of hours or days, the slayer

441
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:08.159
has presented crypt analysts with an entirely
new puzzle to solve application of the old

442
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:14.840
code to the latest message produced gibberish. One line transcribed on that basis reads

443
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:20.400
and it comes up with some random
letters. Others are equally unintelligible. Nor

444
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.360
does the translation make sense when read
backwards vertically, either up or down,

445
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:27.960
or by skipping every second, third, or fourth letter. Now this is

446
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:32.480
interesting because orange Chat claims to have
solved the three forty cipher using something called

447
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:37.400
the period nineteen. And what I
can tell by it is it's it's set

448
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:44.400
diagonally using the first first symbol of
the cipher on the upright, which is

449
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:49.440
this ooh, which is this letter
h over here right there, and then

450
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:53.199
working every oh go over to down
one would be your next symbol, over

451
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:59.320
to down one your next symbol.
So if this is legitimately one of the

452
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.719
systems that was used this period nineteen
by the US Army, then why in

453
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:09.639
the heck would the FBI or CIA
or any other cryptanalysis not not know about

454
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:15.840
that particular type of style to have
applied it an attempt to break it well

455
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:21.159
for fifty years, my dear,
fifty years. This is befuddled, everybody.

456
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:28.159
Is that a loaded questioner? It
is? It says the new cryptogram

457
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:32.920
consists of twenty evenly spaced lines of
seventeen characters each, or three forty characters

458
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:37.800
in all new symbols. It employees
about twenty new symbols, and these are

459
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.719
used to represent about eighty characters in
the message. In other words, almost

460
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:45.960
one quarter of the latest crypt is
represented by symbols not used before. These

461
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:52.800
figures must be given as approximates because
it is not always clear whether the apparently

462
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.840
new symbols are deliberate or the result
of sloppy penmanship for the exact For example,

463
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.559
in the original zodiac cryptogram, the
letter T was represented as and then

464
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:06.960
it cuts off, So, um, this is the salve that orangea claiming

465
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.559
there are a lot of parallels with
this salve. And then there was another

466
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:22.440
solve about the way he uses the
word paradise and how that his victims are

467
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:24.639
going to be his slaves in the
afterlife and things like that. Oh yeah,

468
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:29.920
this this message that they let's let's
read their message because we're going on

469
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.159
and people haven't heard it yet.
So the message of Orangehack believes that he

470
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.159
came up with is I hope you
are having lots of fun in trying to

471
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.679
catch me that wasn't me on the
TV show, which brings up a point

472
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:43.320
about me. I'm not afraid of
the gas chamber because it will send me

473
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.280
to Paradise all the sooner, because
I now have enough slaves to work for

474
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:51.159
me, where everyone else has nothing
when they reach Paradise, so they are

475
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.800
afraid of death. I'm not afraid
because I know that my new life is

476
00:36:53.880 --> 00:37:00.239
life will be an easy one in
Paradise death. I thought the Paradise is

477
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:06.800
a reference to the gambling industry.
That absolutely absolutely. He's driving around a

478
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:12.039
converted BLUs that his brother in law
used to use to have gambling escapades on

479
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:16.280
and attempted to rob his own friends
or co workers who were there gambling on

480
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:23.559
the bus. I remember hearing that. Yeah, yeah. Paradise also relates

481
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:30.559
to um to South Lake Tahoe and
the Paradise Hotel, which is in South

482
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:37.480
Lake Tahoe, where Jack actually ends
up in South Lake Tahoe with his daughter

483
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:43.320
in By nineteen seventy So one quick
question for Nolan because he's gonna so is

484
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:49.480
there any truth to the report that
La Bianca was into the mob for money,

485
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.920
a gambling debts and all that in
Paradise or they're operating a pair of

486
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:58.880
dase and he lost money. He
had a lot of business affiliations, shall

487
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.719
we say, not all of them
were legal, So and he was he

488
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:09.519
was a horse, he played the
ponies, yes, but also he owned

489
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:20.280
a chain of supermarkets. You get
operate without having ties the teamsters and other

490
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:29.320
other entities like that. So I
can't confirm or deny that he was MOLL

491
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.280
related, but I'm definitely not going
to deny it, although it definitely was

492
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:36.880
targeted. I mean, you know, they went right to his hall just

493
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.119
so happened to do this big shot
that's got all this money or hand or

494
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:47.119
whatever. We were on the three
forty cipher. Not like it's all something

495
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:52.119
it's easy to go off. I
know it is. That's why I'm asking

496
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:58.400
you put on the horse blinders.
It's just that just the nature of the

497
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:02.480
beast, I know, I know. I did also find some information in

498
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:07.400
the FOIA files in regards to it
that talks about the different types of codes

499
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.400
being transposition and double inscription, but
it also states that they would not yield

500
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:15.719
plain text words. So it's interesting
that orange Jack came up with what appears

501
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.840
to be plain text words. But
I'm going to show you how all those

502
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.760
words were not necessarily found in that
manner and what he had to do to

503
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:28.800
achieve that. I'm going to go
into swearing him sault. So swearing him

504
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.880
was using orange Check's web toy,
and in doing so, he actually came

505
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:37.119
up with an interesting message which we
can see right here the decoded ciphertext after

506
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:44.119
he plopped in where he believed those
letters related to to symbols, and you

507
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:50.159
have things like got nothing. It's
very much. It looks like a lot

508
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:54.760
of gibberish. But let's look to
see how he actually flowed this one out.

509
00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.440
So basically he was not able to
find anything in that particular or solve

510
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:02.559
on this bottom portion. So quite
like orange Check, there was a section

511
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:07.880
that did not conform to the proposed
solved as the top portion did. So

512
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:13.920
that is running similar between both orange
Check and swearing Him. Now the differences

513
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:17.599
is that swearing Him went on to
go ahead and decipher what this says,

514
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.320
and you can follow along. Underneath
each of the symbols are the letters that

515
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.480
he placed, and he believes that
it says you, in fact, got

516
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:29.920
nothing, And I got annoyed and
said you I had died or was caught

517
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.760
again. You say I win the
games once again, so fucked excuse my

518
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.519
language. I hate you, don't
I you should die. I go kill

519
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:43.360
you. You see no end of
me. I'm Jack Terrence, you are

520
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:46.199
sweaty, nasty, good and type. My name is Zodiac. The end

521
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:52.599
done. So that's what he believes
that these particular letters came up to or

522
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.320
amounted to. And then the rest
of it was an unrearranged anagram. So

523
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.920
he did find a solve for that
bottom portion, but it was not using

524
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.920
in the same system um as the
top portion was used. So here's the

525
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.760
larger version. You guys could go
back and look at this. Um like

526
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:09.840
I said again, put it on
pause. See how it compares to what

527
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:15.679
um uh. Here's the second half
of this. You catch what's so damn

528
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:17.280
funny. You can see how we
worked it out. You can see that

529
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.880
he's not far off from these these
letters actually making words right phonetically speaking.

530
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:30.440
Anyways, are you are you guys
able to see that I did, and

531
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:35.239
the other the other guy for a
while there, and I realized this little

532
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.960
web toy thing was it was hard
for me, hard for me to follow

533
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:44.719
quite candidly, and I'm like,
okay, so you basically plot, You

534
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.239
basically choose a symbol and you PLoP
a letter on it, and you see

535
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:53.239
what maps itself out. So it
was literally something you would for hours.

536
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:59.719
I followed. Harriet solves a little
more interesting, but anyway, we're gonna

537
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:05.079
get to hers absolutely. Here is
the actual color coding of the symbols versus

538
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:07.559
the letters and how many times they
were used in the actual three forty So

539
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:13.360
this is his breakdown of symbol versus
letter versus the times it was used.

540
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:21.159
This one goes on to again break
down a color version of symbol versus letter.

541
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:28.199
Let's see. I do find that
some of these statements, like you

542
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.840
catch what's so damn funny? Because
he's constantly saying catch me if you can.

543
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.639
You can't catch me. Now he's
saying, do you catch what's so

544
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.760
funny? And fun we've already talked
about as one of those relations he talks

545
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:43.679
about, don't assume an old old
nut dog is what you got. I

546
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.119
thought that was like right in line
with the gall and sharp letter where he

547
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:51.559
says old nut. Again, you're
not going to basically catch this old nut.

548
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:55.119
So there were some things that between
this made as much that just like

549
00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:04.440
Orgeac did about paradise and slaves and
all of those things, certainly right.

550
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:06.719
Well, and we're gonna take a
look at it, and I'm gonna try

551
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.760
to go through it really quickly.
But the three forty cipher Cracked article that

552
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:14.599
came out on December eleventh, twenty
twenty is by Cavin Kevin Fagan of San

553
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.679
Francisco Chronicles, So of course orange
Jack is fully backed by San Francisco.

554
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:22.559
We can tell um he says,
I have the text of the cipher again.

555
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:23.920
Now we're going to show you how
he gets to this, because to

556
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:28.719
me, I'm I'm completely confused.
UM. At any rate, he does

557
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.559
say that all of these people in
this little presentation right here was unable to

558
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:35.320
correct this code. And all of
these people would have known all of the

559
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:43.920
all of the different um uh yes
methodologies for doing cryptograms, because they are

560
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:46.320
part of the very militaries that created
them. But these people couldn't. And

561
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:52.960
he has he got right. So
he comes in and he has this this

562
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:58.760
post that he put up where he
says that it says he hoped you are

563
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:05.320
he seeing first Torah and trying to
catch meth. So again you can see

564
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.639
how it's come up as gibberish.
But the words that he does come up

565
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:14.639
with his hope are trying to catch
me shot, which brings up now catch

566
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.960
me Obviously we just got done talking
about you catch what's so damn funny?

567
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:23.639
So we are finding basically the same
words swearing on them is onto something.

568
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.360
The one thing I can't figure out
is if he's reading left right to get

569
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:30.920
this, or if he applied the
period nineteen and these are the only legible

570
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:36.559
words he got, because then it
becomes gibberish once again, until it gets

571
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:40.760
down to he has nothing. Then
they now, if I got over here,

572
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:49.159
don't assume an old nutdog is what
you've got. Did he have the

573
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:53.800
word nothing in here? I should
have probably made this relation before. I'll

574
00:44:53.880 --> 00:45:00.280
go back and compare the two of
these. Lying you've got nothing rights line

575
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:06.199
says that okay, wait a minute, oh yeah, and you in fact

576
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:09.280
got nothing, all right, So
swearing it shack are actually coming up with

577
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:16.880
similar words what's up. So I
would say there's some merit in that respect

578
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:24.440
to what his workmanship is, right, all sophisticated deal. Laurence Wearingham I

579
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:30.480
believed used the Latin Latin versions of
these symbols or something. We'd have to

580
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.559
go back to see what his methodology
is. But he definitely went from left

581
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.880
and right, not this diagonal crap. And he's coming up with the same

582
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:42.599
exact words that rang Chack did.
Huh. Now, this is what he

583
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.679
calls the period nineteen transposition. It
starts up here at zero and it runs

584
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.280
its way all the way down,
making its move every two down. One

585
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.519
is the next symbol that should fall
in line to create the message that he's

586
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:58.840
come up with. He again has
backing from USA today. I mean,

587
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.519
this guy's got some back. I
came for some solve that many people have

588
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:06.280
taken an attempt at, and lots
of people have come up with things,

589
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:09.239
but I think Laurens actually hits closer
to what Orange Jack has going on.

590
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:15.079
He also has backing by the FBI, he claims, he says a statement

591
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:20.039
at the Register. In a statement
distributed by Twitter on Friday, the FBI

592
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:23.400
confirmed the cipher had indeed been undone. I don't read that what I said.

593
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:27.599
What I read is the FBI is
aware that a cipher attributed to the

594
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.480
Zodiac Killer was recently solved by private
citizens. It doesn't say that they confirm

595
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:36.760
that that's the solve. It doesn't
say that they confirm that the three forty

596
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.920
has been undone or has been solved. It just says they're aware that someone

597
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:43.679
in the private sector has solved it. Well, lots of people believe they

598
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.840
sulted it in the private sector.
Doesn't go on to say anything other than

599
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:52.119
it's still an open preason. We
can't discuss it with you. Now.

600
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:53.840
Here's where it falls. Apart from
me. He does give me a key,

601
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:58.800
although I don't believe that that key
is complete. It doesn't have all

602
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.159
the letters in it. I also
noticed that he broke it into two portions,

603
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:05.480
just like swearing him it done.
And then what caught me off guard

604
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:10.000
is that while he maintained an over
two down one pattern throughout the second half

605
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:14.480
of it, all of a sudden, right here at the number one fifty

606
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:20.079
eight, it skips too, so
it goes three and down. Now everything

607
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:23.480
is disjointed, out of line and
no longer consistent. So what has he

608
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:28.320
done in order to complete or make
this message that he's come up with?

609
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:31.039
Is that kind of similar to way
if chess has played with a with a

610
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:36.239
night, it's does he makes the
chess piece? Can you know, go

611
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.559
over two and down water? Or
off one? Or is it three?

612
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:42.239
I haven't played chess and years I
was a kid. I played chess for

613
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.880
a while but got bored with It's
that same sort of idea, you know

614
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:50.760
what I'm saying. So really it
doesn't sage anything. It doesn't really give

615
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:53.480
us anything. Though, even if
okay, say they're right, well,

616
00:47:53.480 --> 00:48:00.360
what does it give us? I
was worrying, does it us? It's

617
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:02.360
you guys are competing for you guys
are impeating. Go ahead, no,

618
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:07.320
I'm sorry, say that report is
okay? If you read okay, so

619
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:09.679
you say, okay, you agree, then you read it? What's there?

620
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:15.239
There's no meat there. There's not
really anything that brings us closer to

621
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:22.880
whose prediac is. I thought your
point about the words that match a usage

622
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:27.239
that he's used elsewhere was a good
point. I'm trying to grasping for the

623
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:30.559
description. But you know what I'm
saying, O words he's I've got less

624
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:35.480
than a minute. So I do
want to get through a couple earlier about

625
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:38.840
how you how that ran parallel to
some remarks that he made as a zodiac

626
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:43.719
And so they are they are,
and that's that's why sometimes they feel that

627
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.400
these salves have been force fed,
because if a person thinks they're onto something

628
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:52.039
once they see some type of um
wording that is consistent with previous messages.

629
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.800
Um, however, we haven't seen
paradise yet, so this is this is,

630
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:02.199
this is well before the Paradise time. So I did see that the

631
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:07.760
letters are corresponding if you went by
the where they're sitting in place, but

632
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:12.960
that's running straight across. So I
thought that was interesting that the U is

633
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:17.719
definitely a square and the K is
definitely next to it, and it does

634
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.039
actually start to spell out some of
these words. But again without breaking this

635
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:28.000
entire thing down and then making an
account for the skewed version, I'm not

636
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.039
sure what to say. But when
he does the second half of it,

637
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:34.280
this is the message he starts to
come up with. And because he latches

638
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.679
onto the word because have slave and
where all the rest of this is gibberish.

639
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:44.519
So how then does he come to
this overall message that now says he

640
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:47.079
believes this is the last two.
So his is broken into three sections,

641
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:53.239
two top portions, and then the
last thirty four symbols at the bottom of

642
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:59.800
it are supposed to say life will
be an easy one in paradise death.

643
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:07.360
And he believes again these last two
simple right that swearing you talk about right,

644
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:14.400
this is orange chack all right,
So basically then old less than that,

645
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:19.559
I have to finish this um so
basically we can actually see here again

646
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.000
that this is all gibberish. It
means nothing. But then all of a

647
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:27.400
sudden he starts actually creating and making
words out of things, and then eventually

648
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.719
in the end he comes up with
this is supposed to say so her because

649
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:35.559
he now have enough slaves to work. Again, not a complete message.

650
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:37.719
He then rounds it up and makes
it say this. So I am not

651
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:42.960
sure how he come to these conclusions, but it definitely isn't an easy solve

652
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:45.679
one that somebody could recreate. I
want to thank you guys for being here

653
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:50.519
today. I've definitely been out of
time trying to push this envelope, but

654
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:54.000
we will see everybody next week.
Have a great weekend, Take care and

655
00:50:54.519 --> 00:51:00.960
talk to you next time. Thank
you, guys, than you and I

656
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:15.760
down in a sound, and a
down in flounder, and a fool in

657
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:15.760
the soul. Lond