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Good morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
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I'd like to welcome to the show today, Harriet Souche.
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Good morning, and Pappy Forth.
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Happy fo yes exactly.
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Happy fourth of July to everybody and all the men
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and women out there that ensure our freedoms and our liberties.
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We appreciate and thank you so much. I had an
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interesting actual YouTube comment that popped up, so I thought
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that it was worth at least addressing at the beginning here.
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I'm going to go ahead and flip over to the
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presentation and kind of just give you a brief on
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my pictures here. So this first picture in the center
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with this great, big, huge flag that's being dawned by
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a crane over the top of the road was when
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I first started this particular podcast. So it was the
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first fourth of July and I had gone to Alturas
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for a family reunion and I just thought, what an
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amazing picture that this would make with the flag hanging
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over the top off of the road.
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And of course this one to the right here was
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one that I actually took because I took a different
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I went I.
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I went three ninety five out of Reno instead of
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I five, so I got to see this one on
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I five and then once I arrived in Alturas in
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an opposite manner, I was able to capture this picture
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of a flag again, obviously celebrating the fourth of July season.
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So I love your hat. I love your outfit. You're
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so festive.
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Yeah, before I take the head off the showing you
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of the lights, but you know, and then it's going
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to mess up my hair.
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A don't do that.
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I think it looks adorable, all right. So this YouTuber
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Pepper state nine five five and I actually answered a
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few of the questions on the YouTube channel, but told
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them that I was going to be addressing the majority
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of this here on the show today. So he says,
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why are we trying to tie Jack to the Lipstick
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killings and the text Arcana Phantom murders. This kind of
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makes me think that he's in the beginning stages. But
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if he's in the beginning stages watching these podcasts, then
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I think that we were fairly clear on these particular
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murder spreeze what it was that we volte connected Jack.
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So I'm not sure where he's at or why this
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question is coming up at this point in time, But
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he says, the survivors of Texarcana Phantom on two twenty two,
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nineteen forty six, the male victim described attacker as tanned,
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white male. The female victim described attacker as light skinned
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black male. Now, the female, who unfortunately had more contact
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with the killer due to be in sexually assaulted, would
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be assumed to be able to provide a better description.
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But my point is, why is everyone always attempting to
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put murders like the Texarcana Lipstick killings to the Zodiac.
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The Zodiac committed four known crimes in the San Francisco
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area and there were no sexual assaults. You know that
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former Detective Hodel says his father was the Zodiac and
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also the person responsible for the black.
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Dahlia and a bunch of other murders.
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Why is it so difficult for people to understand that
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there are always multiple serial killers loose in the US
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at the same time, not to mention a bunch of
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other people who commit murders in a one off type
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situation where opportunity and desire are just in charge. How
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tall was Jack? How do we confirm he was in
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Chicago at the time and place of the lipstick murders
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or Intexarcana at the time and place of the phantom murders.
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The only reason we know Samuel Little killed all over
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the place was because he said he did. I think
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these were some really great questions, So you want to
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take a stab at that area?
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Well? Number one. To our surprise, the anagram was for
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the lipstick killing, saying, my name is Jack darn is
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Lain JBR. I see more of them, You'll see more
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of me. And we all felt kind of, you know,
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like hitting our heads. I said, is this how simple
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it can be if you just anagramm it?
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Then technically he's kind of right about the George Hodell thing,
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because I've seen George Hodell's name brought up in the
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early ones and from my view, George Hodell was the
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older guy training the younger crew. But Jack is definitely
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associated with so many of these and it has everything
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to do with the Intel community and being a hired
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gun and slaying some people. And he's even admitting that
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he's killed people. So that's my that's my three cents
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right there.
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Well, my explanation to him was because the handwriting was
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a match. We know that I took this particular examination
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to the FBI and showed them how the handwriting on
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the wall in the Francis Brown.
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I believe it was.
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Yes if we or whatever yet, but it was consistent.
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Was consistent with Jack's handwriting. Their response, Hopkins or agent Hopkins,
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indicated that I couldn't place Jack in Chicago, Illinois simply
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because the handwriting matched. And of course I thought to myself,
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then what am I doing? If I can't make an
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identification of handwriting?
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Am I in the wrong business? Do I have?
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You know?
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Is there any science basically to handwriting? If we could
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make such a mistake. Now, three weeks later, Dennis and
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I on the phone with Jack's aunt. She indicates that
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Flova sold the farm, the family farm in Texas, in
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nineteen forty four and moved to Chicago, Illinois. That aside
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from the fact that we have pictures in his Jack
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and his Navy uniform in the Chicago, Illinois area, we
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also have him in front of the Northern Public Power
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Company of Illinois. We had so several key indicators that
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showed that he had proximity during this timeframe. And of
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course we know that he always went home to Mom,
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so he's going to be back and forth wherever she's at.
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He will hop on the road in one of his
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fits in and just drive for as long as he can.
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Probably I bet he pulled off twenty eight hours like
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it was nobody's business. And Dennis even indicated he did
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this a lot right.
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Well, yes, and I can just quickly say something when
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my father was out to see a lot and he
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was a Navy reserve, Yeah, he drive thirty hours, no problem.
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So it's done okay, exactly, And everybody has to has
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to also realize that we did map out Jack's happenstances.
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Good morning, Nolan, Good morning, Good morning Mirror, Happy fourth
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of July.
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Yes, we're just covering a YouTuber's comment at this point
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in regards to hying Jack to the Texarcana phantom murders
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and the lipstick killings. So I also wanted everybody to
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realize is that the murders of these gals and Susan
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Dagnan happened on the outs or on times when Jack
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was not in service with the military.
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So there it's.
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Very probable that he had the opportunity, and we know
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that he had the proximity. So as far as the
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Texarcana phantom murders, there were some other indicators there that
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kind of put things together. One of them was the
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wearing of the mask, which is something that we saw in.
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The Lake bary Essa murders. There was the.
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Fact that it was basically happening around another army base
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read I think it was Red Arsenal. Trying to remember,
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I know, I'm so far out of nineteen forty six,
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I would literally have to get it's something or depot.
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I don't know, I have to go back and look.
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But these murders of these individuals and these young couples
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occurred in and around within minutes of an army base.
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I think also that the gun that was used in
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the tax ar Can of Phantom murders was said to
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be a particular type. Jack had gotten himself in some
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trouble at one point and had his gun confiscated, and
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Dennis had indicated that Jack had went to the local
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judge and asked for the judge to get him that
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gun back because he's afraid that that gun could be
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tied to murders such as Texarcana phantom or even possibly
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the Florida murder which was on Darnia Beach. I believe,
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so there was something. We're just saying that that Jack
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is in this area.
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Jack is a.
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Bootlegger at the time the text ar Can of phantom
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murders occur. Here's lots of time on his hand if
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he's not running liquor back and forth.
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So they.
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Sorry, no, that's okay, that's okay.
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I'm just wanted to say really quick, if they're doing
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things like that as a spy, then they're getting the
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goods of other people. Let's say he's running some laquer
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to the governor's nephew, right right right. It's it's diabolical,
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but it's the way it happens well.
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And also, as you had mentioned in the Lipstick Killings,
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that particular message that was on the wall was rewritten
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several times in lipsticks. So if you have a clear
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image of this particular writing on the wall, you'll see
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that the killer starts to write, then a rasis starts
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to write, then a rasis, and probably an attempt to
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actually conceal his handwriting, or at least he thinks he's
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manipulating his handwriting so that it doesn't come back to him.
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But that anagram done by Lauren's swearing him actually turned
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out to yield the fact that it had Jack Terrence's
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name in it, which is why Lauren's swearing them even
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contacted me in the first place, because my suspect was
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the only name that came out of this message with
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an a complete message about having killed Francis Brown.
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And having committed these murders.
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And then we have to crossover between the Black Dahlia
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and the Lipstick Killings, which is that Susan Dagnan was dumped.
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Her body parts were dumped, so mind you, her body
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has been bisected and and she has been dumped down
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Hollywood Bullvlo Hollywood Boulevard. And then Black Dahlia is dumped
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near Dagnan Boulevard in Hollywood.
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She's also been bicect It's a.
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Version of laying out code.
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She's you know, and just now, didn't you think, Harriet
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that the Sauls had said something to the effect that
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Hodell's father had been part of that bisection of Black Doahia.
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I believe I have one that we may have covered,
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but you know, we'd have to go back and look,
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because I've got stacks of page I saved all my work.
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I'm like, but I believe there was a chin where
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and that's how come William harens Uh couldn't take it
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and started crying and took off and then they caught him.
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So, oh, gotcha. He was part of the group as well.
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Yeah, well yeah, but he he wasn't strong enough to
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handle and who really would be strong enough being a
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butcher child with their leg over here? You know, so
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we would be ghost because people might be eating right now.
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Jack was an avid hunter. He bisected animals all the time.
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The pictures of him actively doing this stuff. So now,
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as far as the.
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Series that Ray was involved.
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The artist, yes.
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Or somebody minded man Ray's.
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I've seen his name in there.
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Sorry, yeah, yeah, no, we we have.
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So as far as the description is concerned, it's you know,
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I think that somebody's being traumatized late at night. I'm
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not sure what it was that this person saw. The
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male sees one thing, the woman sees another thing. But
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what I do know with the Atlanta, Georgia child killers
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case is that one of the victims called and said
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she was with a nice white man.
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However, they wanted to charge a blackmail for this.
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the truth is behind, you know, who these suspects truly
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are and what the media has presented. And everybody has
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to remember that any information out there that we can
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glean is from the media, and we're saying that there's
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a heavy involvement in the media, so distorting me things
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and yeah, and creating the narrative for what it is
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that they want us to believe has been easily done.
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Over the years.
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We've seen stuff taken down, we've seen stuff added, we've
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seen new stuff come up that nobody's ever heard of before,
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and each and every time the story just gets blown
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up to another degree where people are just completely confused,