July 4, 2025

Zodiac Killer Begins to Communicate

Zodiac Killer Begins to Communicate
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Starting this week with a letter from the Zodiac Killer after a great deal of silence. Jack has been convicted of a crime, placed on probation, and gone through a divorce that I am sure has stifled his abilities to commit crimes. Texas has seen an uprise in unsolved murders in an area near the League City Field of Deaths. It boggles me that Nora would introduce this Jack into her children’s lives. More communications looked at by the FBI, and Harriette Sucher will give us her solves on them.

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Good morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today, Harriet Souche.

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Good morning, and Pappy Forth.

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Happy fo yes exactly.

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Happy fourth of July to everybody and all the men

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and women out there that ensure our freedoms and our liberties.

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We appreciate and thank you so much. I had an

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interesting actual YouTube comment that popped up, so I thought

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that it was worth at least addressing at the beginning here.

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I'm going to go ahead and flip over to the

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presentation and kind of just give you a brief on

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my pictures here. So this first picture in the center

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with this great, big, huge flag that's being dawned by

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a crane over the top of the road was when

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I first started this particular podcast. So it was the

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first fourth of July and I had gone to Alturas

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for a family reunion and I just thought, what an

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amazing picture that this would make with the flag hanging

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over the top off of the road.

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And of course this one to the right here was

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one that I actually took because I took a different

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I went I.

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I went three ninety five out of Reno instead of

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I five, so I got to see this one on

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I five and then once I arrived in Alturas in

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an opposite manner, I was able to capture this picture

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of a flag again, obviously celebrating the fourth of July season.

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So I love your hat. I love your outfit. You're

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so festive.

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Yeah, before I take the head off the showing you

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of the lights, but you know, and then it's going

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to mess up my hair.

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A don't do that.

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I think it looks adorable, all right. So this YouTuber

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Pepper state nine five five and I actually answered a

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few of the questions on the YouTube channel, but told

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them that I was going to be addressing the majority

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of this here on the show today. So he says,

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why are we trying to tie Jack to the Lipstick

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killings and the text Arcana Phantom murders. This kind of

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makes me think that he's in the beginning stages. But

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if he's in the beginning stages watching these podcasts, then

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I think that we were fairly clear on these particular

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murder spreeze what it was that we volte connected Jack.

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So I'm not sure where he's at or why this

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question is coming up at this point in time, But

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he says, the survivors of Texarcana Phantom on two twenty two,

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nineteen forty six, the male victim described attacker as tanned,

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white male. The female victim described attacker as light skinned

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black male. Now, the female, who unfortunately had more contact

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with the killer due to be in sexually assaulted, would

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be assumed to be able to provide a better description.

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But my point is, why is everyone always attempting to

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put murders like the Texarcana Lipstick killings to the Zodiac.

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The Zodiac committed four known crimes in the San Francisco

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area and there were no sexual assaults. You know that

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former Detective Hodel says his father was the Zodiac and

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also the person responsible for the black.

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Dahlia and a bunch of other murders.

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Why is it so difficult for people to understand that

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there are always multiple serial killers loose in the US

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at the same time, not to mention a bunch of

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other people who commit murders in a one off type

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situation where opportunity and desire are just in charge. How

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tall was Jack? How do we confirm he was in

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Chicago at the time and place of the lipstick murders

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or Intexarcana at the time and place of the phantom murders.

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The only reason we know Samuel Little killed all over

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the place was because he said he did. I think

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these were some really great questions, So you want to

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take a stab at that area?

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Well? Number one. To our surprise, the anagram was for

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the lipstick killing, saying, my name is Jack darn is

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Lain JBR. I see more of them, You'll see more

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of me. And we all felt kind of, you know,

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like hitting our heads. I said, is this how simple

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it can be if you just anagramm it?

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Okay?

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Then technically he's kind of right about the George Hodell thing,

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because I've seen George Hodell's name brought up in the

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early ones and from my view, George Hodell was the

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older guy training the younger crew. But Jack is definitely

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associated with so many of these and it has everything

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to do with the Intel community and being a hired

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gun and slaying some people. And he's even admitting that

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he's killed people. So that's my that's my three cents

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right there.

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Well, my explanation to him was because the handwriting was

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a match. We know that I took this particular examination

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to the FBI and showed them how the handwriting on

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the wall in the Francis Brown.

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I believe it was.

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Yes if we or whatever yet, but it was consistent.

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Was consistent with Jack's handwriting. Their response, Hopkins or agent Hopkins,

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indicated that I couldn't place Jack in Chicago, Illinois simply

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because the handwriting matched. And of course I thought to myself,

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then what am I doing? If I can't make an

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identification of handwriting?

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Am I in the wrong business? Do I have?

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You know?

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Is there any science basically to handwriting? If we could

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make such a mistake. Now, three weeks later, Dennis and

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I on the phone with Jack's aunt. She indicates that

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Flova sold the farm, the family farm in Texas, in

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nineteen forty four and moved to Chicago, Illinois. That aside

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from the fact that we have pictures in his Jack

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and his Navy uniform in the Chicago, Illinois area, we

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also have him in front of the Northern Public Power

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Company of Illinois. We had so several key indicators that

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showed that he had proximity during this timeframe. And of

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course we know that he always went home to Mom,

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so he's going to be back and forth wherever she's at.

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And Chicago is no different than Texas for Jack.

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He will hop on the road in one of his

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fits in and just drive for as long as he can.

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Probably I bet he pulled off twenty eight hours like

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it was nobody's business. And Dennis even indicated he did

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this a lot right.

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Well, yes, and I can just quickly say something when

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my father was out to see a lot and he

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was a Navy reserve, Yeah, he drive thirty hours, no problem.

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So it's done okay, exactly, And everybody has to has

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to also realize that we did map out Jack's happenstances.

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Good morning, Nolan, Good morning, Good morning Mirror, Happy fourth

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of July.

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Yes, we're just covering a YouTuber's comment at this point

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in regards to hying Jack to the Texarcana phantom murders

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and the lipstick killings. So I also wanted everybody to

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realize is that the murders of these gals and Susan

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Dagnan happened on the outs or on times when Jack

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was not in service with the military.

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So there it's.

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Very probable that he had the opportunity, and we know

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that he had the proximity. So as far as the

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Texarcana phantom murders, there were some other indicators there that

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kind of put things together. One of them was the

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wearing of the mask, which is something that we saw in.

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The Lake bary Essa murders. There was the.

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Fact that it was basically happening around another army base

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read I think it was Red Arsenal. Trying to remember,

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I know, I'm so far out of nineteen forty six,

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I would literally have to get it's something or depot.

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I don't know, I have to go back and look.

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But these murders of these individuals and these young couples

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occurred in and around within minutes of an army base.

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So there was a few things that we put together

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I think also that the gun that was used in

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the tax ar Can of Phantom murders was said to

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be a particular type. Jack had gotten himself in some

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trouble at one point and had his gun confiscated, and

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Dennis had indicated that Jack had went to the local

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judge and asked for the judge to get him that

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gun back because he's afraid that that gun could be

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tied to murders such as Texarcana phantom or even possibly

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the Florida murder which was on Darnia Beach. I believe,

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so there was something. We're just saying that that Jack

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is in this area.

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Jack is a.

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Bootlegger at the time the text ar Can of phantom

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murders occur. Here's lots of time on his hand if

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he's not running liquor back and forth.

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So they.

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Sorry, no, that's okay, that's okay.

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I'm just wanted to say really quick, if they're doing

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things like that as a spy, then they're getting the

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goods of other people. Let's say he's running some laquer

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to the governor's nephew, right right right. It's it's diabolical,

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but it's the way it happens well.

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And also, as you had mentioned in the Lipstick Killings,

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that particular message that was on the wall was rewritten

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several times in lipsticks. So if you have a clear

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image of this particular writing on the wall, you'll see

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that the killer starts to write, then a rasis starts

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to write, then a rasis, and probably an attempt to

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actually conceal his handwriting, or at least he thinks he's

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manipulating his handwriting so that it doesn't come back to him.

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But that anagram done by Lauren's swearing him actually turned

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out to yield the fact that it had Jack Terrence's

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name in it, which is why Lauren's swearing them even

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contacted me in the first place, because my suspect was

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the only name that came out of this message with

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an a complete message about having killed Francis Brown.

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And having committed these murders.

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And then we have to crossover between the Black Dahlia

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and the Lipstick Killings, which is that Susan Dagnan was dumped.

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Her body parts were dumped, so mind you, her body

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has been bisected and and she has been dumped down

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Hollywood Bullvlo Hollywood Boulevard. And then Black Dahlia is dumped

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near Dagnan Boulevard in Hollywood.

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She's also been bicect It's a.

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Version of laying out code.

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She's you know, and just now, didn't you think, Harriet

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that the Sauls had said something to the effect that

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Hodell's father had been part of that bisection of Black Doahia.

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I believe I have one that we may have covered,

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but you know, we'd have to go back and look,

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because I've got stacks of page I saved all my work.

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I'm like, but I believe there was a chin where

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and that's how come William harens Uh couldn't take it

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and started crying and took off and then they caught him.

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So, oh, gotcha. He was part of the group as well.

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Yeah, well yeah, but he he wasn't strong enough to

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handle and who really would be strong enough being a

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butcher child with their leg over here? You know, so

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we would be ghost because people might be eating right now.

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Yeah, yes, did Jack Jack.

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Jack was an avid hunter. He bisected animals all the time.

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The pictures of him actively doing this stuff. So now,

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as far as the.

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Series that Ray was involved.

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The artist, yes.

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Or somebody minded man Ray's.

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I've seen his name in there.

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Sorry, yeah, yeah, no, we we have.

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So as far as the description is concerned, it's you know,

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I think that somebody's being traumatized late at night. I'm

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not sure what it was that this person saw. The

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male sees one thing, the woman sees another thing. But

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what I do know with the Atlanta, Georgia child killers

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case is that one of the victims called and said

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she was with a nice white man.

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However, they wanted to charge a blackmail for this.

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So it's kind of back and forth as to what

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the truth is behind, you know, who these suspects truly

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are and what the media has presented. And everybody has

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to remember that any information out there that we can

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glean is from the media, and we're saying that there's

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a heavy involvement in the media, so distorting me things

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and yeah, and creating the narrative for what it is

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that they want us to believe has been easily done.

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Over the years.

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We've seen stuff taken down, we've seen stuff added, we've

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seen new stuff come up that nobody's ever heard of before,

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and each and every time the story just gets blown

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up to another degree where people are just completely confused,

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which is why I do the podcast, not only to

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out the fake suspects or the false people who are

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trying to, you know, push their narrative, but also to

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say that Jack should be looked at it for these things.

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Let's see, Yes, we know about that, So why is

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it okay? So he says, why is it so difficult

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for people to understand that there are always multiple serial

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killers loose in the US at the same time. This

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isn't the same time, Buddy text Art, Canna Lipsticks, Zodiac,

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Black DOLLI.

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All of these.

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Happened in different eras, and all of them contain handwriting.

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And what I wanted to say is that the Zodiac

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didn't wake up one day try to kill you know,

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seven people, eleven months, write hundreds of communications, only to

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fall off the face of the earth, having not done

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it before this and never having done it again.

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I just simply don't buy that.

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But I do find that this particular YouTuber is their

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comment is perfect for this episode because we're going to

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to get into to see he says that I don't

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know who I don't know who Samuel Little is, but

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it says he killed all over the place because he

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was because he said he did. Well, we're about to

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see today in some of the communications that the zodiac

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indicates that he's killed more than one hundred people over

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California and Nevada. So I say, let's move on into

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it now. I know that I'm not sure how far

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we got into these particular murders, but I'm going to

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read them off anyways, just in case. On January fourteenth

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and nineteen eighty six, we have seventeen year old Regina Sakamoto.

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Of course, this is another Honolulu murder, and again I

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did not feel heavily that this was Jack, but anything

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that was unsolved I was literally thrown into this presentation

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in case it could be so. Over the next three months,

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Denise Hughes, Louis Maderos, and Linda Pesky are also killed.

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I believe in Honolulu.

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January nineteen eighty six, sixty eight year old and Anna

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Carom is a Frankfurt neighborhood of Philip, Philadelphia.

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She stabbed to death in her apartment.

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Like the first victim, she is nude from the waist

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down with her shirt pushed up to exposure chest. Over

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the next four years, the Frankfort slasher would claim seven

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more lives. I need to do research on this because

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I'm not sure who those seven are. Some of the

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victims were seen with a middle aged white male before

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their deaths. So middle aged, that's you know pretty much, Jack, you.

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Know it is?

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Yeah.

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So Carol Dowd was a nineteen ninety victim found behind

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a fish market in nineteen ninety and Leonard Christopher was convicted.

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Of her death.

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However, it is believed that he is innocent since he

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was a black male and did not match the description

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of the suspect and other crimes, and another crime was

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committed while he was incarcerated, instilling the notion that he

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was not the Frankfort slasher. So here we have another twist.

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We have a black mail that's being convicted for a

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crime when the witnesses saw white mail. So you tell me, yeah,

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there's always an issue here. So we had some communications

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come in March seventh, nineteen eighty six. It was postmarked

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in Los Angeles. The name was redacted, but it went

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to Ambler Tours at ten ten Second Avenue, Sweet nineteen hundred,

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San Diego, California, nine.

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Two one zero one.

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The FBI foil files only indicated high then they redacted

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the name we are, so this premise of a WE

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faction once again. And a second one was mailed on

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March twelfth, nineteen eighty six, postmarked from Los Angeles as well.

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Name was redacted again to Ambler Tours. So with these

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two communications, I haven't had the opportunity to actually see

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I just know that the FBI took a look at

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these communications believing that there was a potential for them

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being a communication from the Zodiac Killer, which kind of

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makes some of the other communications we're going to talk

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about make sense because it's like he's back in action again.

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So he's back to Can I say one thing that

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stands out to me is the one that's redacted and

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then says Ambler Jools, we've done assault on this, but

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I mean, we've done a show. But he's saying the

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reason why he had to go after the kids, Uh,

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Fara Day and Jensen was because Fara Day's father bought uh.

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But the rambler that belonged to the pain and Uh

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that I mean there's a link there and somebody. Yeah,

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so that was the rambler was the rambler was the

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was the reason for the killings. But anyway, So you

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got something there. Maybe maybe he's still trying to catch

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up on the past, but anyways, that was something that

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stood up to me, especially when we got san Diego

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there too.

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What were you saying, Nolan.

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Yeah, Ruth day Uhna lived with her and yeah, she

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put her up and she was a part of uh well,

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she was heavily connected. Her family was with c I,

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a FBI, that type of thing.

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Oh, even again they weren't linking her as officially.

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Is that she's the one that recommended that Lee Harvey

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applied for the job of the school but depository. So

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a lot of theories, theories say that he was she

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injected herself into their lives for the purpose of helping.

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Manipulate gotcha, and so she owned the rambler that you

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then believed Faaraday's father purchase.

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Wow.

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Yeah, And I don't know which that was a solve

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in in which communication believe.

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I think it's the fair Field letters very early as

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like nineteen seventy one, seventy two, So it's early stuff

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that I did. And I was like shocked to find

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out that that's but he felt very guilty for killing

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those kids. He's saying his conscience was coming up as

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the gun went down.

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On them, and that's the Lake German Road once. Yes, yeah, okay, all.

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Right, Well, in March nineteenth to nineteen eighty six, Nor

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receives a nurse assistant certificate and it's mailed to the

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Kirby Street address, so we know that she is currently

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in Roseville, California, which is literally about ten minutes.

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That way from me. On March.

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March thirtieth, nineteen eighty six. Easter is generally spent in Texas,

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with Texas with Flova, Jack's mother, but I don't have

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anything for Jack during this time. However, the location and

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nature of the next crime should be considered due to

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who Jack was and the propensity to visit his mother

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every single Easter pretty much that I can tell. So

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this just sits means I maybe didn't have an actual

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picture of him there for Easter, but it doesn't mean that.

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It doesn't that he didn't visit her. On April of

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nineteen eighty six, we have a headless woman recovered from

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a garage a garbage bag in State Park in Galveston.

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Body remains unidentified at this point. Now I know that

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we've had skulls so this always flashes me back. You know,

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is this the body of Donna Lass? You know, we

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found her skull, but we didn't find her remains. And

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now there are remains that are headless found back in

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Texas and are still unidentified. So I'm assuming that I

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need to I guess there was also a Scholl found

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in Massachusetts in a lake or near a lake, should

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I say, And I thought maybe that was a good.

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Cross connection too for trying to put figure.

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Out whether or not those remains go to that Scholl

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so headless, which is consistent with the bisection of Dagen

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and Elizabeth Short and the two girls in the Arizona

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area that occurs in nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety three,

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while Jack is in Arizona. The I forty five killings

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in California killings where partial remains one victim was found

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in the grave with another or partial remains found in

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one location where the rest of the remains were found

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twenty miles or more away. So separating the body parts

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is definitely a type of mo that has happened to

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end some of these crimes breed some of the.

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Hy Bob size or Harriet at least that the Donaldas's

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body parts were somewhere in uh near, They're like.

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No, yeah, but you know what, I got quite a

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few songs where he is pleading, you know, with through

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somebody else to get to Reagan. But he's pleading for

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the boat because he wasn't supposed to kill those Catholics,

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blah blah blah. But it stops after a while. So

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it's almost as if and now you're seeing that if

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they claim they found somebody and parts and everything, you know,

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I'd like to know where do they get Are they

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still there? Did they get buried? Because I think I

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think they actually found them, and the Pope wanted the

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Catholics that were killed to be buried under the juniper

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tree on a hill like Mount Hocm where there's tons

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of juniper trees there.

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So well, and I think is where they did find

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actual body parts exactly. They just didn't have the they well,

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the FBI believed it was too intrusive to test every

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single family member of the victims.

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You determine who those remains went back to.

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But if they could test that school found in nineteen

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eighty seventy of Donna lasses in twenty twenty four, then

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they could certainly test these bones that they found on

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the jax Ol property.

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See if they match. But I'm just going that out

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there because I.

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Like or the California series.

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Alcome is up near Somerset, up near plac Oh yeah,

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California outside.

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Okay, Yeah, it's just below.

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It's basically, I think within an hour of South Lake Tahoe.

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It's not that far away. Yeah.

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Wow, on Sunday, I'm my way up there.

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Oh there you go, have some fun.

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Some of the eyewitness accounts for the I forty five

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killings was a person dressed in authentic police or security

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guard type uniform. And Jack so happens to be a

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security guard at this point. And I know that we

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mentioned that before, but it came back up, so I

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figured it was.

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Good to throw it out there. Now we have this new.

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Letter that came about, and I now believe that it

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likely I used to I wasn't sure if it was

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May or March that this was mailed, but it's now

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starting to look like if it's consistent with the two

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murders that we're going to talk about here, that it

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is consistent with May of nineteen eighty six. And to

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give you some background on this letter. Dennis had brought

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it to me and indicated that this was a Zodiac letter.

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Now I want everybody to take notice that it says

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minus one hundred plus and it says the body count

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is growing now one hundred plus all over the state

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of California and Nevada. So I'm now not going to

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take this as a minus one hundred plus. As much

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as every time the Zodiac made the symbol, he always

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made the hyphen and then he indicated a number for him,

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and he indicated a zero four SFPD as if they'd

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not caught anybody for these crimes, this one says one

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hundred plus, which.

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Does a hyphen and not a minus sign.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, And because he says it in the letter, he says,

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this is the Zodiac speaking.

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I am still out here in Crackproof.

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And now Crackproof runs in tandem with the herb Cane letters,

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the one that Tashi was accused of forging, and then

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another one we're going to talk about here shortly, but

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it says I want you to know about my latest

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slaves that I have collected about two weeks ago up

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by Sacramento, California. I will give you a clue to

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help you with the mystery. They were killed by a freeway.

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The blue minis almost caught me. The body count is

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growing now, one hundred plus all over the state of California, Nevada,

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SFPD zero Zodiac one hundred plus.

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Now.

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When I questioned Dennis in regards to this letter, because

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obviously the handwriting on this is a little more manipulated

470
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than some of the other handwritings that we've seen by

471
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.720
the Zodiac, but he actually told me that he was

472
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:33.720
told that this was the Zodiac from Terrence Pascal, which

473
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:37.039
was one of the original document examiners in the Zodiac.

474
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.160
Case back in the day.

475
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:40.720
So I told him I wanted to hear this from

476
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.319
Terrence Pascal's mouth myself, and I went and I visited

477
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:45.240
Terrence Pascal.

478
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:47.119
We had a very nice meeting, and.

479
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:50.359
He indicated that yes, the document examiners on the case

480
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:53.119
at the time believed that this nineteen eighty six letter

481
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.920
was from the Zodiac, and it had never been produced

482
00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:57.119
to the public before.

483
00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:00.079
So back to the YouTuber's.

484
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:03.519
Comment about how the guy little had claimed, you know,

485
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:06.359
he killed all over the place, we have the Zodiac

486
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:10.200
basically doing the same exact thing. He's taking credit for

487
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:13.519
far more than the four crimes that is attributed to

488
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.759
him in this particular letter. And again it's mailed to

489
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:20.799
the editor San Francisco Chronicle, the Mission Street for France

490
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:25.880
and Francisco, California, so he doesn't even put in the sand.

491
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:27.359
So it's a little bit different.

492
00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:32.599
But that's all is a double entendre too, because in

493
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:37.359
eighty six, that's when Crack was blowing up. And I

494
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:43.839
think he's a little inside joke by him, he thought,

495
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:47.200
and maybe they tried to use Crack on I mean

496
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:49.079
he rejected it or something.

497
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:49.519
I don't know.

498
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:53.160
I wondered what triggered this communication, and of course I

499
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.480
know that he obviously needed to kill somebody for it

500
00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.680
to be taken seriously. And on April twenty second, approximately

501
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:04.160
two weeks probably before this letter, cooy I and Say

502
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:08.039
Chow and Choi Fou Say Lee were shot to death

503
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:10.079
in their car on the side of the freeway at

504
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:13.480
Highway ninety nine and I five, which was Sacramento basically

505
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:16.400
back in this day now it's more like Natomas, but

506
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:20.079
it was not an Atomis back in the nineteen eighties.

507
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.200
I'm really interested in when they found the skull of

508
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.559
don Alas, because we know that they found her in

509
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:29.720
nineteen eighty six, but I don't know if I have

510
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:32.559
any information that leads me to an actual date for

511
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:36.039
that finding. So that may have been a trigger for

512
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.559
him to have sent this out because she had long

513
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:41.839
since been believed to be a Zodiac victim, and maybe

514
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.799
his way of popping his little, you know, rearing his

515
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:49.519
little ugly head when they find the skull and in

516
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.519
a way to take credit for it. But we're going

517
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:55.759
to hear about Harriet Toouchet's salve here in a few minutes,

518
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.319
so let's take this board. This is kind of some

519
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:00.680
of the information that I gleaned from as far as

520
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:04.720
the linguistics were concerned. We had the letter e spelling

521
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:08.359
errors in mystery. Mystery is also a word that's used

522
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.759
in the Corvette concepts fiasco mystery, and it's used in

523
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.960
the finale letter as the one of the addresses that's

524
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:18.440
on the actual envelope to the Tim Miller letter.

525
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:20.559
We had still out here.

526
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:24.319
In Crackproof, which is the Crackproof reference from Herbkane letters,

527
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:28.119
we have a referencing to having collected the slave latest

528
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:31.640
Slaves two weeks Ago, which is a Zodiac reference. Nevada

529
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.920
is spelled incorrectly as far as the acronym is concerned,

530
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:38.440
and it is should have been abbreviated NV, but we've

531
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:43.000
often seen that the Zodiac did not abbreviate the state references.

532
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:45.839
He typically write out a portion of.

533
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.640
It any v C A l IF, because I think

534
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:53.559
he had an issue actually with the actual acronyms. So

535
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:56.279
it helps to explain why Zodiac Jack prefers to spell

536
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:57.440
out the state partially.

537
00:29:57.839 --> 00:29:59.200
We had blue Mini's in there.

538
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.359
We know that that is definitely adjective to describe the

539
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.680
police by the Zodiac. And he claims to have killed

540
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:08.799
one hundred plus bodies all over California and Nevada.

541
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:10.519
Again. The envelopes to.

542
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:14.000
The editor San Francisco Chronicles is on the top again

543
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:18.519
fifth and Mission Street, which is again another spelling error.

544
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.240
He writes ann a N instead of fifth an.

545
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:26.920
But that I got I think I got it as

546
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:30.960
E N. But he's he's his his whole code, so

547
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:35.119
but he knows how to spell. That's the point.

548
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.359
Oh my god, it's still all here in crack proof.

549
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.000
Police are speculating that the night Stalker and the East

550
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.599
Bay rapist are either dead or in prison, and we

551
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:45.839
see this being addressed by the Zodiac and his own

552
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.240
messages as well as those of the Atlanta child killer cases.

553
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.200
He's letting them know about his latest slaves.

554
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.440
And two weeks ago up by Sacramento, the only murders

555
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.000
that I could find or see that anybody had reached

556
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:01.839
searched was those two particulars.

557
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:03.960
And I think there was some reference.

558
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.119
To the possibility that that was very closely knit to

559
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:08.039
the soy bottle.

560
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:12.000
Was that you that said that areat no.

561
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:21.200
I know the Tomboite receiving the fingerprints and kisou Choi packets.

562
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:22.279
It's all.

563
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:28.480
It's almost the same spellings at you because I never

564
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:32.119
did look at the keisou Choi packets. I mean I

565
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.279
looked at everything else. But I think he was probably

566
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:37.799
dropping a hint about those people.

567
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.839
Right, Well, that'll be interesting once we get to those

568
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.279
because I did not take that into consideration or make

569
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:45.200
that cross connection.

570
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:48.000
So the clue to help with the mystery.

571
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.359
We see mystery several times throughout these escapades and killed

572
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.160
by a freeway, which is similar to the DC Freeway

573
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.920
phantom and the I forty five, and many others that

574
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.759
were found in or around Reway.

575
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:02.759
Locations.

576
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:05.519
So that brings us to the actual solve that you

577
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.480
have in regards to the letter itself.

578
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:10.559
So I believe the letters.

579
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:13.960
Yeah, the first one is just on the letter and

580
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.920
basically this was what just a simple anagram.

581
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:20.519
It's pretty much I was. I think I did that

582
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.759
in an hour. It was easy to put into the

583
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:24.400
first book.

584
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:30.240
But I'm asking, okay, so you basically took all the

585
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.079
information that is on the letter and then you anagrammed

586
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:35.400
it out to the message that you're about to read

587
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:36.880
to us, So go ahead.

588
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:46.440
It says it says it's saying, amw on Walsh missing

589
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.160
the j but we know it's John Walsh, do my

590
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:55.079
one story told plus ZK Code, Sam g and Konna

591
00:32:56.440 --> 00:33:02.000
teeth ate my six Bullets Circle Circle X ten am

592
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:06.119
in the morning, so ten it's anyways by one Torrance

593
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:10.839
and then it's just pretty much he's he's daring John

594
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.880
Walsh to do this. Now, his show wasn't on in

595
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:20.559
eighty six, but the test market of Texas most wanted,

596
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.559
I believe, had started airing in so that's why I

597
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.200
said I have to put this in there. Either way,

598
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.599
they were doing a test market for America's Most Wanted,

599
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.039
and everything meant they were preparing for shows a couple

600
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.680
of years in advance. So that's what How did you know?

601
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.119
So was John Walsh in.

602
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:44.319
The beginning the ages he was in?

603
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:47.079
Yeah, yeah, they said, what was it eighty three eighty

604
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:53.599
four that Rupert Mordock through Fox wanted to do a

605
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:58.839
most Wanted show format with them, So there's Texas most Wanted.

606
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:03.160
I believe it was definitely by eighty six and the

607
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.759
format was planned hers in advance. So Jack Neil, so

608
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.119
you say one story told.

609
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:12.159
I know when I was in law school in the

610
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.920
late eighties, it was already a thing America's most wanted.

611
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:20.840
So it started dajan wide as America's most wanted right

612
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:21.760
around eighty six.

613
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.079
Maybe yeah.

614
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.239
So anyway, things he's daring John Walsh to do his story.

615
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:32.039
Well, and it's only short five years from this letter

616
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:35.880
that he's actively writing. John Walsh in regards to the

617
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.679
real story, you're not going to catch me, and I

618
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:42.239
know countermeasures he's sending sniphers and codes, so we're going

619
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:44.440
to see those in nineteen ninety one, which isn't too

620
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:48.519
far off. Now you have another Let's see another solve

621
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:52.719
over here to the right, and it says something facsimile

622
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.719
to United States President George Washer Book George Walker Bush

623
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.480
carbon copy to Robert gray Smith and Tom Voight, Zodiac

624
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:04.119
Killer dot Com Incident Commander center.

625
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.639
Do you do you recall this solve that you just sent?

626
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:12.159
We lost your sound, Harriet, all.

627
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:16.079
Right, that's right off. That's doing the envelope. And I

628
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:21.400
always thought it was strange because the stamp is is

629
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.599
a different age anyways. I mean, so it is pretty

630
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:30.239
much definitely saying let's try to read this. It's he's

631
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.840
he's actually blackmailing tom Boite, which I think is funny. Sorry,

632
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:35.599
we know he's been so.

633
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.320
Was Tomboy running the Zodiac dot com at this time

634
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:40.440
in nineteen eighty six.

635
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:43.480
No, this is actually when you're anagram by now that's

636
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.159
coming out as March twenty, two thousand and five, and

637
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:50.000
he's just been hired by Bush to go and get

638
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:55.400
Robert Abel. So he's he's that's why it's coming out

639
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:59.960
as March twentieth, two thousand and five. Bacsimile to Unite

640
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.800
the State's President George Walker Bush carbon copy to Robert Graysmith,

641
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:08.280
who was used to being blackmailed by him. Sorry, hello,

642
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:13.239
mister Raysmith anyways, and Tom boyd Zodiac Killer dot com.

643
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:17.559
And then this incident command center the location at zip

644
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:21.039
code nine four one zero three, and Dennis had the

645
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:24.760
phone number. Okay, he had the phone number in two

646
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.440
thousand and five to Raysmith, that's what I know. Anyways,

647
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:34.639
it's saying I was in very historic Hurst Frisco prefect

648
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:39.320
gig of nineteen forty two. What's that? That's the slew.

649
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:44.840
That's the Slumac mystery sul that's saying is nineteen forty two.

650
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.199
And the prefect at the time was the cardinal that

651
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.800
they all knew, all the president. This is a big deal.

652
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.719
He's saying he got started in nineteen forty two under

653
00:36:56.760 --> 00:37:01.159
that cardinal in the Holy See of New York. Okay, anyways,

654
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.079
Then it goes on to say was with General Electric

655
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.000
Prescott Bush MP Alder. There's a lot of pauses because

656
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:13.440
Jack is dying now, so he's having a hard time breathing.

657
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.760
He's trying to recap. I sent me bell I envelope.

658
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:23.599
Thomas Jefferson stamp punched in the face aka Bullseye Consolation.

659
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.840
We did a show on that those six stamps. Oh

660
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:31.360
my god. Anyways, booklet pain printed by Bureau Printing and

661
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:37.559
Engraving printing method, engraved by Edward Silver issue date. Then

662
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:41.800
it just pauses in nineteen sixty eight perforations eleven pause eleven.

663
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:49.239
Richard Nixon resigned, switched my President, Jimmy Carter ordered November

664
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:54.119
twenty at nineteen seventy eight GMC this General Motors Company Company,

665
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:58.920
sorry son, the neo Nazi Christopher hit with eleven forty

666
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:02.119
four Dan Cooper body because there was a real Dan

667
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:05.679
Cooper anyways, shot and then he's saying the sheet, the

668
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.679
show him under the sheet at the place in Michigan anyways,

669
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.880
as my Pope John Paul two said to do so.

670
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.199
The new Pope had come in and he said, you

671
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:21.280
can't kill those people anyways. Then he's mentioning that he

672
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:26.159
killed or and Donna last and Tattletale. That's Lauren swearing

673
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:29.639
and there is a real one. He's dead anyways, kept

674
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:33.360
asking please for Pope John Paul two, who's now in

675
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:38.039
the ICU, dying, and then he was begging President Reagan.

676
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:45.039
Ronald used GSII that's the geospatial image interpretation and helped

677
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:48.639
find the remains. He's screaming, what was going on for years?

678
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:53.880
Tahoe National Forest Mountains. Then he's very guilty. He's filling

679
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:57.280
it in nineteen ninety nine, I killed trader Nora. There's

680
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.800
Salts that has Trader Nora, and he's trying to confirm

681
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:05.119
that it's him and he's done this anyways in Ice

682
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.480
You and then he's saying, to tell the truth, I

683
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.920
will die too in Ice You August two thousand and six.

684
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:15.599
If I may ask, if I'm on a mission, can

685
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:20.960
I will I really get the m efferror Robert Abel

686
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.960
and then he's saying ia Intrey alias as means in

687
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:29.400
disguise and Texas has a Nomanescio protected name again soon

688
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.519
two thousand and five. And then he's signing off as

689
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:36.840
j W. Torrens gr for John Walker Terrence. That is

690
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:40.239
all in the envelope. That's the missage.

691
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:43.800
So and one of the things that I I what

692
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:46.719
did I just see there that I thought, wow, okay,

693
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:50.280
So the geospatial image interpretation, what is that?

694
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:52.519
What is that?

695
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:57.039
That's the eyes in the sky that Robert Abel helped

696
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:01.280
get the process of getting into the satellites.

697
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:03.280
And so because Stephen.

698
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.039
Yes, yes, what's his name? He knew about.

699
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:08.480
Steven Stephen Dohurst.

700
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:10.679
I was just going to say he was a professor

701
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:13.840
at Arizona State University, which is one of the places

702
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:15.960
that Jack was a security guard at.

703
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:16.840
In the nineties.

704
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:21.079
It had indicated that that was his job basically, was

705
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:27.960
to make identification of photographs and for such situations.

706
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.320
Because they're constantly especially at the time, and I'm going

707
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.440
like this, I'm trying to see my hand, this is

708
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:34.400
this is above the earth. You can't see if you

709
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:36.960
can't hear it. Sometimes there's the jets at the time

710
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:41.079
that were flying above and if they were tracking some people,

711
00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:45.920
which there was on drugs, a lot of complicated things. Anyways,

712
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:50.360
this would eventually get to people like Stephen Doohurst, who'll

713
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.280
be asked, you know, can you identify this and see

714
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:58.599
what you got? And so with the proper identification after

715
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:02.320
steering at something for animal, yeah, this is later to

716
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.119
longitude bla blah blah.

717
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.800
Well, I see what I did. Then I actually put

718
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.559
the work after this solve. So I just placed it.

719
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:11.360
On the wrong side.

720
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.599
Here's you picking apart all that different information from that envelope,

721
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:18.559
signing it a number and then once you win a GRANMT,

722
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:23.119
you then turn around and mark which number that letter was.

723
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:25.360
That was taken from the original information.

724
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:29.400
Now I saved my I say what I called the

725
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.800
puzzle pieces too. If you saw that, you'd be like

726
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:35.320
calling me name, saying how do you work like that?

727
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.159
But I don't know processes, I.

728
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.039
Beg I don't even begin to understand.

729
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:47.880
All right, Well that brings us onto our next.

730
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:54.400
On the on the cover, on the envelope writes out

731
00:41:54.519 --> 00:42:01.119
San Francisco Chronicle, but on the addressing rights Francisco, California.

732
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:05.239
But cal That's that was That told me right then

733
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.239
and there, And you know what, And Innette, I looked

734
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:09.239
at these, I looked at the ones you'd asked me

735
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:12.159
to do recently, and it's like I would start to do.

736
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.280
Them and there would be a fire or something would happen.

737
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:19.800
I'd have to run. So anyways, I'm finally getting I

738
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:21.760
was glad to get to that one. I know, I

739
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:22.559
saw that what.

740
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.400
Was the lights out? What what was that.

741
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.079
Lights out? Yeah?

742
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.199
I thought I thought you said lights out and no one,

743
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:38.360
Oh no, oh okay, lights out.

744
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:42.280
Well here's another murder that happened in Irvine.

745
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:45.800
I removed it because there was that discovery and match

746
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.320
in DNA that yielded Sacramento County a suspect named Joseph

747
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.800
James DeAngelo, and that was Janelle Li Sacruz and Irvine.

748
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:57.960
So we've I literally had already excluded this as a

749
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:01.159
p it's a case as a possible for Jack. But

750
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:04.159
again at the time, I believed it to be unsolved,

751
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.280
and I had placed every unsolved murder that I thought

752
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:08.960
of into this presentation.

753
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:11.119
So I thought of or should I say.

754
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:14.719
Found May seventh of nineteen eighty six, there's an article

755
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:18.559
written again something I don't have a copy of, but

756
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.599
it was something I found in the FOYA files, and

757
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:25.400
it says maybe these strings of newspaper articles stirred the Zodiac.

758
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:30.519
So the headline reads old murders of peninsulins still a puzzle.

759
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.599
And then on May eighth, nineteen eighty six, article probably

760
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:38.239
the same day as the next letter or around the

761
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:41.239
time of the letter for the Zodiac, and the headline

762
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.559
read murders still haunt.

763
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:45.920
Him because he had no proof? By Dave Murphy.

764
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:49.880
So I'm wondering if these particular articles coming out in

765
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.719
the newspaper were something that the zodiac saw, so he thought, oh,

766
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.719
let me, you know, tiptoe back into the water of

767
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.920
communications and murders. On May twenty fourth, and nineteen eighty

768
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.440
we had Shelley Kathleen Sykes. She disappeared on I forty

769
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:06.119
five on her way home to Texas City. Her car

770
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:10.559
was found blood splattered and the windshields smashed in. John

771
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:14.599
Robert King, and Gerald Peters Worst were charged with aggravated

772
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.320
kidnapping in this case because there was no body to

773
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.480
charge for the murder. So evidently we have some remains

774
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:22.760
that are missing, but they believe they found the people

775
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.639
who had killed her. And this is probably one of

776
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:30.719
the few times that a murder charge or a conviction

777
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:33.159
can come down when they don't even have a body.

778
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:34.800
I mean, how often does that happen.

779
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:38.599
I think I have something on Sykes, but it has

780
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:45.800
something to deal with unfortunately. Robert Abele again, Yeah, so,

781
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.639
and Jack is at the time, I think getting a

782
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:52.679
lot of him and his crew are just getting information. Sorry,

783
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:56.960
it's makes you shake your head.

784
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:03.440
Everything about this makes me shake my head. So in

785
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:08.039
nineteen eighty six, right nineteen eighty six, we have summer

786
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:11.079
It's as summer of eighty six front yard on Kirby

787
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:13.719
our house Jack and Down. So we see that Jack

788
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.039
and Down are back together once again, and I believe

789
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:18.679
at this particular point in time that they are.

790
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:21.079
Both living in the Roseville area, and.

791
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:26.119
Dawn had originally been in the Riverside area, which is

792
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:29.079
where Jack returned to in nineteen sixty six when he

793
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.559
came back from his stay in Texas where he was

794
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:34.599
supposed to rent two mobile homes.

795
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.360
August third of nineteen.

796
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:38.960
Eighty six, we have a twenty to thirty year old

797
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:43.039
unidentified dead mail on Crater Lake off Crater Road, FM

798
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:47.079
thirty eighty three, Conrod, Texas. So again more murders in

799
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:50.239
that Conroe area. The body had been weighted down by

800
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:54.480
two cinderblocks and on an electrical cord, multiple gunshot wounds,

801
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:58.559
possibly had a street name of New York. Billy shirt

802
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:02.920
had mss US eight DASH zero one seven eight dash

803
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:07.199
two five Wilson written on the label inside. So I'm

804
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:13.000
not sure if that is a military number. I don't

805
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.840
recognize it to be, but I'm not up on my

806
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:23.320
military numbers or a prison inmate number, because in either case,

807
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:27.400
I would think that you would probably have identified or

808
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.480
written things on the tags of your clothing.

809
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:35.000
Yeah, mental hospital.

810
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:39.199
The individual was five foot six inches, one hundred and

811
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:43.679
thirty three pounds, small build, collar length, red, red slash,

812
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:47.159
brown hair, decayning teeth, left ear was pierced.

813
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:50.199
Left upper arm had a tattoo Liz.

814
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.320
Left forearm has a small devil with a tail figure

815
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:55.760
on it, and right upper arm had a tattoo that

816
00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:00.400
said baby Dawn and had a petal flame flower design.

817
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:03.159
So I did not find a picture on it, though

818
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:05.719
I would have liked to, just to be able to

819
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.960
show those tattoos and see if somebody you know now

820
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:12.519
recognizes or recalls or maybe even has any pictures in

821
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:16.639
their belongings of family members or people from back in

822
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:20.679
the day that might have matching tattoos. So we're going

823
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:27.480
to see a pickup in crimes in Texas and and

824
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.960
Sacramento as a matter of fact. So September twenty sixth

825
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:33.719
of nineteen eighty six, Laura Lee Tremley was going to

826
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.360
a bus stop. I don't have any idea where this

827
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:40.199
was actually at. She was fifteen years old. Many of

828
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:43.039
these victims were children taken from or on their way

829
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:47.079
to bus stops. She was strangled. She was strangled. Anthony

830
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:49.239
Allen Shore is said to be the suspect in that

831
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.960
particular case. But on September twenty seventh, nineteen eighty six,

832
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:56.480
we have sixteen year old Dianna Lynn Ogg seventeen thousand

833
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.519
block of Old Houston Road in Conrod, Texas seen at

834
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:04.480
a convenience store located on FM thirteen fourteen at Sordiers Road.

835
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:07.639
Porter A seven PM. Body is found in a heavily

836
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.480
wooded area off a logging road. But this is very

837
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:15.360
similar to the Laura Miller case Tim Miller's daughter, where

838
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:18.079
she was at a convenience store, taken and then dumped

839
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:23.400
in an area well off the beaten path.

840
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:25.760
October twelfth, nineteen eighty six.

841
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.280
Kathleen Thomas and Rebecca Andandowski on Colonial Parkway in Virginia

842
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.519
was strangled with their throats cut, found in a car

843
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:37.480
pushed down an embankment. November twenty fourth, nineteen eighty six.

844
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.320
Teresa don Clark, Sacramento. The contact for this person is

845
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.239
joe Enlow for anybody who has information. She was last

846
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:49.599
seen buying groceries at Albertson's on eighth East eighth Street.

847
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:54.559
Environmental toxicology study from UC Davis and Sacramento.

848
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.840
Was on a job interview for this place.

849
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.719
Pool its leveast eighth street.

850
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:02.599
What's that?

851
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:09.039
I have never heard of street? Odd?

852
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:12.800
I well, this is information we've got to remember. I'm

853
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.039
getting from stuff on the internet, and who knows how

854
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:17.960
correct that absolutely is.

855
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:22.239
But it says she plays pool at a club.

856
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.519
And then goes grocery shopping. Some of her clothes were

857
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:29.119
found in Sacramento. Her backpack was dumped near Mace Boulevard

858
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:33.960
overpass on I eighty. Body was found in Yolo Bypass,

859
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:38.639
badly beaten. Badly beaten was not on the murder map

860
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:42.360
for bets. And then the Zodiac basically goes silent after

861
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:47.280
this particular uh murder. But it's interesting to note that

862
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:51.320
they're finding her property in locations along the freeway again,

863
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:56.079
because that's another Zodiac thing or another moo in some

864
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:59.519
of these yep leaving the trail and you know, a

865
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.760
backpack here, a purse there, these kind of things all

866
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.440
over the place. December eighth, nineteen eighty six, twenty nine

867
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:10.320
year old Rita May Hughes Houston, Texas bus station went missing.

868
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:11.480
White.

869
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:15.519
Oh, we were overtime, guys. We're at fifty twenty five.

870
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:17.760
Right now, I gotta same today, we'll come back and

871
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:21.719
finish off this last murder. I want everybody to enjoy

872
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:24.559
their Fourth of July weekend. I hope the holiday is

873
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:27.559
great for you, and we will see you the following Friday.

874
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:29.719
Thank you guys for being here.

875
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:49.480
Bye bye