March 20, 2026

Zodiac Jack W. Tarrance 2000-2001

Zodiac Jack W. Tarrance 2000-2001
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Several moves for no explainable reason begin to take place in Jack’s life, and the unsolved murders continue to surround him. During this time, Jack and Charles move to Texas, Oregon, and back to Texas as the evidence supports. Dennis watches an episode of the Zodiac Killer on AMW with John Walsh, and discovers some eerie coincidences with Jack including the composite, and for Dennis it all starts to make sense. Dennis believes that his family was a coverup for who Jack really was.

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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today, Knowing del Campo.

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Good morning, everybody, Good morning.

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I got really excited doing this episode this last week.

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When I was doing the research, I realized we have

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finally caught up to the timeframe in which Dennis Kaufman

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is starting to figure out that Jack is Zodiac, and

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a few very odd or should I say, coincidental things

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occurred at that same time as I was putting it together,

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which really kind of flooded my body with goosebumps and

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made me almost want to fall off the chair. So

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I want to start by bringing up the PowerPoint presentation

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and share some of my signs with everyone. Okay, okay,

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so basically, two to two two has been a number

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of mine for quite some time. It represents balance and harmony,

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it's an angel number. I don't throw a lot of

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belief into these things, but it was something that I

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was seeing quite frequently and eventually had tattooed.

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On my foot. We can see that down here.

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So one of the things that occurred that sent goose

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bumps up my spine was the fact that when I

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was making the album cover for this particular episode, it

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actually had it is episode number two two two, and

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that two to two font that is found in this

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particular album cover is exactly the font that was used

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for the twos in my tattoo. So at first that

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was like just an odd coincidence or obviously I like

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this form.

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I suppose because the font.

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For the presentation has been set since twenty thirteen, and

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the two two two I probably got somewhere around twenty

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twenty two or twenty twenty three, so vast difference between

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the timeframe in which these fonts were chosen.

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What album cover do you refer two?

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This one right here?

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So it says episode two two two, oh okay, and

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those twos are the style of twos I had done.

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This is the crappiest tattoo I own, And of course

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the guy who did it blundered it, you know in

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basically scarred my foot pretty bad doing it. Either way,

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I still love it. It still represents the two two

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two fashion and to know that episode two twenty two

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were going to be introducing the research and when Dennis

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begins to figure out that he believes Jack is the zodiac.

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Aside from that, as I'm doing, what's that.

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It looks like a cross between a cobra and an

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Egyptian cat.

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Well, it's supposed to be a heart around it, and

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again he ran one two up into one corner, so

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you can't really differentiate it from the others.

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I know what it is and that's what matters to me.

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But the so that not being planned was kind of

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a shocker.

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And also while I was typing in the date, so

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I'm trying to be vigilant about when these episodes air,

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and I typed in the date three twenty twenty six

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and as I was typing that date in, I looked

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down at the clock on the computer and it actually

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said three twenty six pm. I was like, ook, okay,

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there's my there's massign Anyways, I did have at least

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one person reach out in regards to the last show

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that aired where we were talking about the Iron Dome,

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and it's at Dubstep Kid eight oh one, and it

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says the Iron Dome is advanced missile defense system that

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is very good because the enemies of Israel will launch

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rockets into Israel and basically launches a counter rocket to intercept,

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and it's really really good and can defend against quite

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a bit of incoming missiles. It says we are giving

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them a lot of aid and the relationship between us

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is basically unbreakable, and I'm not one hundred percent sure why,

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and that level of unity is actually hidden for the

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most part. I presume it has something to do with

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World War Two. My response obviously is ding ding, ding Ding.

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I think you nailed it with your past statement. I

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feel that World War Two was its own agenda to

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give them access to the US and there it all begins.

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So I feel like, do they have pictures on naked presidents,

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do they have the inside information in regards to what

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really went down in World War Two that they are

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withholding from the rest of Americans. And the rest of

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the world. There's something going on there. If we're going

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to keep giving them money, making sure they're safe, and

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for gosh sakes, if they have the Iron Dome, I

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would assume we do as.

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Well too, right is Israel?

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Yes, Okay, So he's saying he doesn't understand why we

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keep doing what we do for these people, and of

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course I have those same questions, and I think most

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of America should as well.

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Anyway, just on the Israel issue.

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In the Sacramento be today, there's an article about the

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Assistant Secretary of I forget what defense related governmental energy,

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but they refined because of Trump's invasion of Iran and

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his support for Israel, saying that Israel goded Trump into

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doing this and that's why another of the Europeans are

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supporting this effort. They don't want to jump in. They

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say it's that's between you and Israel. You know, we're

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not saying but they're not going to help.

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And they keep saying that the Democrats are all for

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Israel and foreign funding and all of these things. But

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I also like to include that Trump is former Democrat.

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Just because he plays a Republican president doesn't mean that

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his agendas doesn't align with all of the politicians.

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And I was also talking about invading Cuba.

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Really like a repeat of history all over again. And

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yeay Venezuela, they won the baseball How did they liu

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werld series right right after we stole their president?

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I don't I just don't even understand whatever.

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Well, we left off late nineteen ninety nine with Jack

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last week, so we're kind of just following him around

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at this point. He's a loose cannon running around. Nora

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has passed away, he does not have that responsibility anymore.

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And so we see him go to Arizona, and then

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there was talk about him moving to at least Stephen

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Dohurst's books that he went to Texas, but Dennis said

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he went to Oregon, and I have some proof here

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that he was actually an organ for a short period.

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So on November eighteenth and nineteen ninety nine, perduhurst book,

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Jack received a speeding ticket in Snowflake, Arizona, which is

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one hundred miles east of flag Staff near Springerville, where

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Nora I can't talk now. Nora had family, So there

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is an indication that he is moving east from Arizona,

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which may be putting him back into Texas as Dohurst

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as thought. But in nineteen ninety nine we also show

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that Jack is an organ and at least mid two

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thousand then he returns to Auxton Austin, Texas, So he

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may have made a short trip between Arizona and Oregon

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to Texas but ultimately went back to Texas after Oregon.

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And I show that this this fax receipt here is

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a fax paper in which case Jack is sending a

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request for a pharmacist for some medications. And u ancestry

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dot com actually shows that Jack Terrence owned a PO

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box in Eugene, Oregon from January first of two thousand

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to September third of two thousand and four. Now I

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don't know if he just pays for him for blocks

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at a time, so maybe he pays four years in advance,

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or why he would continue to keep something like that

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since he literally left the area shortly after. But when

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I was looking at this this fax page here, and

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the consideration that the Tom Voight letters were recognized by

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Charles Jack's son as being Jack's handwriting, I notice a

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lot a lot of consistencies inside of this fact page

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that were comparative not only to the zodiac, but the

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deer dashboard letters to things as far back as black Dah.

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And then I started plotting out some of the different

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things I was seeing inside the Tom Voight letter. So

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we've I've placed them here around it. And one of

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them is this angular first hump or bottom uh yeah,

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the bottom ye shape of the W. The first one

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is angular, and then it leans the mid section and

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the right section actually leans to the right with a

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curvature that occurs at the top of the right hand

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side of the W.

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And we can I blew up this word when and

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that's from Jack stand ready.

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So I looks, uh, looks like cursive, a little bit cursive.

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And and it's almost when you first glance at it

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and you think it's cursive, there's actually printing correct it.

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But it's it's more like a print connect.

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So he's he's using a script type feature like with

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the the word with We can see that the T

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bar actually extends up into the H and comes back down. Oh,

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I have the width somewhere else. This is actually inside

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of the Tom Voyd letter. But I was more or

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less pointing out these w's. I took a look at

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the letter H over here from the word when with Jack,

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and those h's are formed and shaped pretty much near

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identical to what.

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Jack writes like. And this is out of Tom Voyd's letters.

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All of these.

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Keys very tall stems, and that's what I noted in

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the Tom boyd letters were these very tall stems, and

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we know that Jack had them tall stems and tall

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and long lower extenders as in the word computer. With

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this P right here and this very angular bowl, we

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can see that that was something that was clearly used

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throughout the progression of these letters, including this double stroke

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open bottom end of the P that has this pointed

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bottom portion. And so some of these characteristics being pointed

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out are things that he probably thought he was concealing,

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but clearly they're still within the wheelwell. And even if

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he thought he was disguising his handwriting, he's still using

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forms that he uses because that's how the brain works.

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So this actually was done on February tenth of two thousand.

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He's faxing the pharmacy from an organ number. So that's

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how I know he's an organ, because the facts number

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on it is an organ, all right. And now we

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are into the beginning of Dennis starting to figure things out.

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And Dennis watches the America's Most Wanted feature on the

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Zodiac Killer and with John Walsh, and he comments to Rick,

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who is Mary's husband and now Mary is Nora's daughter,

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but he comments to Dennis comments to Rick that the

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composite matches Jack. And of course this is from Dennis's

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book that he wrote and I believe two thousand and

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eight before I ever even met him. It says June

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of two thousand, I left Lacey, Washington to head back home,

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it to Eugene Organ. When I got back, I told

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Joy that I think Jack might be the Zodiac Killer.

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She asked me if I had smoked my breakfast. I

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told her that I was serious, and briefly, I know.

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I said that some of these things that he puts

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in the book is just great, he says I. She

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asked me, oh, I told her that I was serious

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and briefly explained what led me to believe this. After

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hearing the reason, she thought it was a good possibility

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that he could be Zodiac. I knew that I couldn't

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do much as far as investigate living in Eugene, Organ

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because everything that I needed was in California. About two

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weeks later, we oh, so if Dennis I didn't read

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this before the facts, If Dennis is the one that's

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an organ, that's why Jack is there with Charles, probably

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trying to hop around, I'm guessing and find a place

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to be. But if he's in Eugene, Organ, then that's

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why Jack probably went there because everything I needed was

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in California. About two weeks later, we were packed up

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and headed to Sacramento. The first person I wanted to

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talk to was Gary, Jack's nephew. Gary did not like

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his uncle Jack, so he would be willing to help me,

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and I believe Gary has reached out to me. Even

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though he's made some comments via the YouTube channel, he's

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not really reached out and spoke to me personally, but

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I wish he would if he hears this says. The

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next day, after arriving in Sacramento, we went to see Gary.

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I told him that I thought his uncle Jack was

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the Zodiac Killer. I asked Gary if he was around

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Jack in the late sixties, and he said that he was.

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Gary said him and Jack were driving in or around

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Oakland when Jack saw black man walking and decided to

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run him over. For no apparent reason. I told Gary

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to just think about it and I will stop by tomorrow.

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The next day, Gary looked like he had a rough night.

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He looked at me and he said, it's him. He

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was up all night reading about Zodiac on the internet.

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Joy and I started reading everything we could about the

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Zodiac Killer. The more information we had, the more accurate

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we would be in determining whether Jack was Zodiac or not.

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Gary mentioned that Jack had converted an old school bus

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into a motor home in the late sixties. This is

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the bus I believe that his brother in law and

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sister owned that they were busted in nineteen sixty three

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with an illegal gambling. They had taken a bunch of

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people up the hill in this bus and were gambling

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on it and then set up I think one of

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Jack's brothers to come in and act like he was

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going to rob the bus, and they got busted because

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the people on the bus overtook.

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Those that were running the gambling operation.

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Oh wow, And so I think that bus was then

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eventually it became Jack's.

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At some point I asked Gary what.

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Type of gun Jack had back then, and the one

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pistol that he remembered was a forty five caliber. He

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also remember hearing Jack and his son Barry talking about

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this girl they had picked up hitchhiking. They picked her

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up in a truck and camper and had pulled off

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the road somewhere and took her into the camper and

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raped her. This made me wonder if Barry knew who

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his dad was, or maybe even helped. Barry died in

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nineteen eighty one. Jack does have another biological son named Dennis,

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and he is still living. When I briefly mentioned the

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possibility of his dad being the Zodiac, his reaction led

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me to believe that he may know who his dad is,

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or at least that he has committed murder. I remember

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reading a letter that Dennis sent his dad, and you

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got to remember, there's two Denniss here. We have Denny

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and we have Dennis, and Dennis is the biological son

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of Jack. I'm sorry, Denny is the biological son of Jack.

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But he's calling him Dennis in this book because that

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is his name. But that's how they differentiated each other

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from one another. Dennis Kaufman was Dennis, and Dennis Terrence was.

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Denny was in the military.

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Yes, and we're going to get to that right here.

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I suspect him of being an accomplished Yeah.

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I remember reading the letter that Denny sent his dad

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while he was in Vietnam. I don't remember the whole

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letter word for word, but I remember the last part

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of it very well. Denny ended his letter to his

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dad Jack with Dad, I killed sixteen gooks today, and

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you would have loved it here because hunting season is

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open all year this state, right.

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I guess it's the most dangerous game exactly.

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This statement that Denny made in his letter to his

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dad establishes that Denny knows his dad likes to hunt.

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Denny clearly stated that he had killed sixteen people that day.

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This clearly establishes that humans are being hunted. This indicates

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to me that Denny knew his dad liked killing people.

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That's why he said his dad would love it there,

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because because you can kill people all year long.

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That's just discussful, but it is what it is.

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Oh, apple didn't fall too far from.

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The tree at all, and so it so. Dennis reports

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this to the FBI and the SFPD, And during this

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time Dennis turns over Jack's DNA for testing, but it's

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botched by SFPD in I want to say two thousand

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in a pooling error, as they called it. They claimed

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to have ended up with two different DNA samples, and

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Dennis believed it was because they pulled the sample from

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under the actual lip of the envelope and from under

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the stamp, when in reality, when Dennis thinks back about

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the spatoon Jack had and how he would have everybody

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spit in it, and then he would use that spit

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in that spatoon to seal any of his letters or

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to what his.

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It just makes me sick to think about this. But gross,

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it's totally gross.

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So it's possible the dual sample or the dual DNA

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sample was because of how Jack also sealed these particular

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envelopes and unbeknownst to SFPD they would not have known

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something like that, or it.

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Was more incompetence by the SFPD.

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Well, and there was this huge thing going on in

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the early two thousands which Gerald Brown, our former governor,

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had to out the SFPD because the lab department was

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busted for not only using drugs, but stealing drugs from evidence,

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falsifying tests, which means that they also could have been

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told to come out with a negative on this on

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this particular exam for Jack, because SFPD has been so

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negative towards Dennis from day one when he came with

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this information, SFPD was just round filing it. They weren't

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responsive to the FBI. They weren't trying to help Sonoma

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County Sheriff's Department do the palm print examination or fingerprint examination.

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They were doing whatever they could to stall and elongate

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the timeframes in which they should have really gon on

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it and handled it, especially after the way they treated

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Deborah Perez, who was totally a false suspect and they

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gave her hundreds of hours of investigative time.

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That's crazy. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's funny because I do a lot of reading

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on books involving various police departments in big cities. And

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the way it works is you see, the higher up,

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higher ranking the officers center, the more likely they are

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to be corrupt. Right.

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Yeah, you have to play the politics, and that.

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Means passes you're doing your job most of the time.

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Yeah.

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Well, and the only way you make it that way,

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they say, is playing the politics. Now, to play the

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politics means that you have to buddy buddy up handshake

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agreements let people off of things, falsify information for them,

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or at least not tell on somebody when they do.

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That's the politics of getting higher up. Well, it's kind

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of like that mayor that we talked about in New

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York who said, or the attorney in New York who

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said he wasn't going to run for mayor because he

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knows that they would have killed him, because he would

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have been honest, he would have not done the handshake

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deals behind the back, right.

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Yeah, I could relate to that.

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So per Dennis's book, in mid two thousand, Jack moves

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with Charles back to Austin, Texas. So I started I

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started seeing more unsolved murders. But in September of two thousand,

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September second of two thousand and thirty six years of age,

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Angela and Dominick Hudson out of Conrod, Texas, we see.

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A lot of unsolved murders.

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For Conrod, Texas is a missing person and the DNA

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identifies I guess remains that have been found. So released

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from Montgomery County jail on nine to two of two thousand.

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September ninth of two thousand, family reported her missing and

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then on January fourteenth, two thousand and one. ATV writer

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finds skeleton remains on a wooded lot at the corner

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of michaeleb Road in FM twenty eight fifty four in Montgomery, Texas.

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So we're starting to see the murders pick up. And

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this is no different than Jack moving to Arizona for

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that split second thing that he did in the triple

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homicide that occurred thirteen minutes away. This one is just

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kind of reliving because we're going to climb into the

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Viwinovitch case. And this is another senator whose daughter is

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killed while they are camping.

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Are campaigning, not camping, campaigning.

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Well, And this is the second senator that we've seen

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this happen to well while campaigning.

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Their child was killed.

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So it says Cleveland, the nine year old daughter of

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Lieutenant Governor George Vowinovinch was killed in a traffic accident

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shortly after noon yesterday. Euclid General Hospital spokeswoman Maryland Deblicher

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said the victim was positively identified as Molly Vwinovich at

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the hospital after being pronounced dead on arrival at twelve

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fifty five pm. Cleveland police said that the child was

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struck by a van at about twelve thirty at the

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intersection of East one seventy ninth and Shenley Streets in

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the northeast portion of Cleveland. She reported She reportedly was

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walking home from all of her hazard's school and was

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crossing a street protected by a crossing guard when the

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accident occurred. Details of the accident remained unclear. And that

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to me is just odd. You've got a crossing guard

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your crosswalk, and a van blows through and kills the

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potential senator's daughter, because mind you, he's the mayor at

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the or governor, governor at lieutenant governor.

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At this point, she.

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Details of the accident remained unclear. Police said the driver,

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a nineteen year old Cleveland area residence, stopped at the scene.

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He is being held while the investigation is being completed.

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Police said the accident occurred about six blocks.

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What's that?

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What about the guy doing traffic? You know, he supposed

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to be watching out for these kids.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, he's supposed to be the one making sure that

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nobody blasts through, and he's supposed to guard them.

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Stop.

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Are you supposed to step out of the biggest stops.

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Are exactly Yeah?

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Well, it goes on to say that, but when Avich

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is a repub Bublican candidate for mayor in Cleveland government.

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James Rhodes said from his Columbus office, the death of

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nine year old Molly Vawenovich was a number numbing shocked

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to all of us who have become so close to

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the Winnovitch family in the past two years. Public service

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is a family affair with the Vwenovitches, and Molly, along

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with her brothers and sisters, spent the summer of nineteen

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seventy eight campaigning all over Ohio with their father. Her

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bright spirit and love for her parents made her a

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great young campaigner.

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He added.

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The unexplainable and untimely loss of their child will be

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a crushing blow to George and Janet, and I pray

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their strong religious faith will sustain them in the dark

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hours they are now experiencing, Rhodes said, adding his sympathy

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and condolences to the entire family. Mayor Dennis Kusinich Kusinich

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who Kusinich, who is running against Mawenovich in the November

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sixth election, said he and his wife are shocked and

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deeply saddened by this tragedy. Our deepest sympathies go out

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to the entire Bwenevich family. Kusinich also said he is

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canceling all his scheduled campaign appearances for an indefinite time.

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And a little bit more I read in Wikipedia is

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on October eighth of nineteen seventy nine, a few days

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after the primary, but Winovich's nine year old daughter Molly

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was struck by a van and killd.

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The event brought the Vewenovich.

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Campaign to a virtual halt and made it difficult for

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Kusinich to attack his opponent. Still, he challenged Bowenovitch to

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a series of debates in various Cleveland neighborhoods. Vowenovitch declined

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the invitation, saying the debates would be unproductive, but they

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did debate on November third at the City Club. Vowenovich

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won the election with ninety four thousand, five hundred and

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forty one votes to Kusinich to Kucinich's seventy three thousand,

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seven hundred and fifty five votes. So to me, oh,

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the agenda just screams out loud. Well, yeah, I bet

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they thought that this would stop Vowenovich in his tracks

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and it didn't just like the other senatory lesson. Yeah,

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because there's now going to be all this empathy for

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Vewenovich from the masses based on him staying strong, continuing

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to move forward in his political campaign even though he

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had lost his daughter.

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And I don't know many people who could do that.

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I'm sorry.

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My political campaign would not override my ability to want

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to be with my family during these times there.

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You couldn't pay me enough.

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That's yeah, it's odd. It's almost like you your soul

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of the devil?

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Do you remember? Right? One child?

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And the reason why that I even bring this passed

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up from nineteen seventy nine is because it plays right

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on into this propaganda and these agendas that we see happening.

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Because Bwenovich eventually receives a letter which is very very

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much Zodiac like.

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So strange happenings. Let's see updates swindle.

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Okay, So basically this thinking of you sticker and have

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a nice day sticker evidently were Valentine's Day stickers that

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00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:10.599
were included in I believe the Halloween card from the Zodiac. Now,

470
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.359
when we look at this letter that we're going to

471
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:16.599
talk about, it's very reminiscent of these two particular stickers,

472
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:20.880
which there is a theory that these stickers were taken

473
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.400
from a box of chocolates Valentine chocolates that were left

474
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:26.839
on a wall at the scene of the Swindles murder

475
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:33.279
way back in the nineteen sixties or earlier maybe even yes, yes,

476
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:38.279
and it was the long shooter twenty two long rifle bullets,

477
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:41.480
like all the similarities, and possibly the watch that was

478
00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:45.880
missing from mister Swindle that may potentially have been the

479
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.680
clue left at the Sherry Joe Bates crime scene. So

480
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.640
it's these crossover connections between these pieces of evidence that

481
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:53.759
make them compelling.

482
00:26:54.640 --> 00:27:04.640
So I love this as they throw gibbs, that's that's NCIS.

483
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:11.400
That's right, that's that. Leroy Jethro Gives is the lead

484
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.720
investigator on NCIS, and I love his rules and his

485
00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:15.960
rule number thirty nine.

486
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:23.759
There are no such things as coincidences. So oh there.

487
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.240
I did bring up an article, and this is regards

488
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.240
to the San Diego A newlywed's couple stroll along a

489
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.200
picturesque stretch of beach ended in horror when a sniper's

490
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:36.880
bullet cut them down from behind. And the excerpt on

491
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.200
this is on a ledge of the retaining wall, police

492
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:42.559
found a box of Valentine candy. Police assumed the Swindles

493
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:45.279
bought the candy while on their stroll, but they said

494
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.599
it could have been left behind as a deranged killings

495
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:51.680
calling card. I think they nailed it, like this is

496
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:57.839
a very very old calling card. So this is the

497
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:01.480
actual greeting card of a Winovich into in December of

498
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.400
two thousand and we can see once again the thinking

499
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:05.000
of you.

500
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:06.920
Type thing.

501
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.960
So it says I'm sending this as four separate facts

502
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:13.440
is but the only way, oh, I think this is

503
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:18.599
actually notation from the person who's sending it. And date

504
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.720
of transcription is one two of two thousand and one.

505
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:27.759
Attached photographic coffee of the threatening communication received by Thewinovich's

506
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:31.559
and on December twenty, two thousand, in which the unknown

507
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:34.920
writer threatens the life of US Senator George Viva Winovich.

508
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.240
This is the inside right page. Due to the way my.

509
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.559
Scanning software in facts software work, the top line of

510
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:44.839
each page is cut off. The top line on the

511
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.440
inside of the left page says hey, you stinking white bitch.

512
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.400
The cogline on this page says we don't want no TV.

513
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:55.039
Bullshit which is funny because as far as the Zodiac

514
00:28:55.119 --> 00:29:00.839
is concerned, he loves TV bullshit. It threatens us senator

515
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:04.720
uses racial remarks, which is very consistent with the Atlanta,

516
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:08.599
Georgia child killer. This author is often writing about the

517
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.720
real story needs to be told, or he's saying want

518
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.960
no Tom Voyd TVBS. This is after the two thousand

519
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:19.359
airing of John Walsh's America's Most Wanted on the Zodiac

520
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:28.279
with Tom Voight and I laughed, aha. So the December

521
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.799
twenty a two thousand greeting card and I don't think

522
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:31.680
there's anything.

523
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:34.480
Yeah.

524
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:38.319
This was actually, I believe, found on zodiacciphers dot com

525
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.680
and it refers to this particular letter. It says a

526
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.720
business reply envelope postmark Cleveland, Ohio, March second, nineteen eighty one,

527
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.400
bearing the press printed address the Dan Barry meant Richards Avenue,

528
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.720
PO Box fifty two to sixty, Norwalk, Connecticut, contained the

529
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.559
message please stop force bussing or I will kill three

530
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.759
more black boys in Atlanta in March. So here's that

531
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:03.960
cross connection. Betwe yes Atlanta, Georgia and this particular communication.

532
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:06.559
Six days later, a letter claiming to be from the

533
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:12.920
Zodiac killer arrived at the television station WXIATV eleven alive

534
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:17.559
at sixteen eleven West Peach Street, Atlanta, three zero three

535
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:21.279
zero eight on March eighth of nineteen eighty one, stating Hello,

536
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:23.920
it's me. Haven't you people figured out who's killing these

537
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.440
little people yet? I therefore went in search of other

538
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:31.160
communications from these postmark locations that bore any similarity to

539
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.759
the Zodiac Killer. The following fine is extremely unlikely to

540
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:37.319
have any connection to the Bay Area murderer, but it

541
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:40.039
was a threatening greeting card that carried the same message

542
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:45.279
apparently included with the Zodiac Killers October twenty seventh, nineteen

543
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:49.599
seventy Halloween card. The arrival date carries some significance. The

544
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:52.359
card was postmarked just twenty two days before the two

545
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.519
thousand and one Happy New Year's Zodiac greeting card, which

546
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.720
was mailed to the San Francisco Chronicle in January tenth

547
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.640
of two thousand and one, and it was postmarked from Cleveland, Ohio,

548
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:05.640
just like the March second, nineteen eighty one letter above.

549
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:12.799
Very interesting coincidences. Let's see, I don't know if I've seen, oh,

550
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.680
the Happy New Year card. I wonder if they're referring

551
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.200
to the I'm not sure if I know which one

552
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.480
that was, unless they're referring to the Groucho Marx Christmas card.

553
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.880
Either way, it was a threatening communication cut into four

554
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.960
pieces and mailed to the Republican Headquarters, five twenty six

555
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.319
Superior Avenue, Northeast Cleveland, Ohio on December nineteenth, two thousand,

556
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.279
to US Senator George Bowinovich and received on December twentieth,

557
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.000
two thousand. Two stickers apparently came with the Zodiac Halloween

558
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.759
card in nineteen seventy with the messages thinking of you

559
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.079
and have a nice day. This greeting card, adorned with

560
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:49.799
an image of flowers, also came with the message thinking

561
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.400
of You. Three parts of the handwritten threat stated, Hey,

562
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.559
you stinking white bitch, we don't want no TV bullshit,

563
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:58.960
and we will cut off your head and impale it

564
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.799
on a sphere. The envelope bore a ZIP code of

565
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.119
four four one two six Dash nineteen oh six and

566
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:09.680
a thirty three cent upside down General Omar North Bradley's stamp.

567
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:12.319
So now we have the placement of the stamp that

568
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:16.440
is also similar with the Zodiac killer who would turn

569
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:21.160
his stamps upside down in his mailings. Who so we

570
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:25.039
have the postmark of Cleveland, Ohio. And then he's talking

571
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:29.039
about those bastard muni drive the majority black and Asians.

572
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:32.039
What happened to the white people drivers we once had?

573
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:38.200
So again a very racist remark. Vouenovich opposed lowering tax rates.

574
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.119
He frequently joined Democrats on tax issues, and in two

575
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.920
thousand was the only Republican in Congress to vote against

576
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.960
a bill providing for relief from the marriage penalty. Ooh,

577
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:52.279
he's making some people mad. I'm guessing previous suspected Zodiac

578
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.960
communications the author had targeted many notable Democrats, so the

579
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:59.920
fact Senator Vuenevich frequently joined the views. However, it might

580
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.640
be stressed that this greeting card was unlikely to have

581
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.079
been mailed by the Zodiac killer, despite some of the

582
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:09.240
overlapping features. I don't think when I compare the handwriting,

583
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:13.319
I don't feel like that this is unlikely at all.

584
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:17.160
So in the two thousand and five Tim Miller letter,

585
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:20.880
we also see racist remarks about who he killed, all

586
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.519
the ones who are white and look enough like her,

587
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.960
and then no Mexican, no yellow, And I'm assuming he's

588
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.640
meaning Chinese. So we're seeing that same hate rhetoric. So

589
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:36.359
I kind of cross I cross reference with Winovitch, Republican

590
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:37.640
who votes Democrat.

591
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:38.880
There's threats.

592
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:42.759
We've got Nixican Nixon who's a Republican and messages to

593
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:48.359
Nixon and rfk FBI and Hoover calls out, calls him

594
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:52.279
out as being incompetent, the CIA mob and political affiliation.

595
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:57.599
Hirst Democrat el Hefe of media uses his UPI system

596
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:01.400
to get messages out in the JFKA, the Democrat telling

597
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.319
on those involved. Hillary a Democrat that was Republican when

598
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:09.239
she was a young attorney on the Watergate case. Mob

599
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.679
controlled both parties. I mentioned earlier another congressman, and we

600
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:17.440
already talked about that that had also lost his Oh no,

601
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.360
this one was mentioned earlier. A congressman that wasn't voted

602
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.400
into office taking a Republican spot, was a Democrat and

603
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:26.599
voted as a Democrat, turning the House votes.

604
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:27.599
So we're seeing this.

605
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:36.519
Flip flopping back and forth of political parties. Interesting similar

606
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.760
complaints as the greeting card sent to Senator Vowinovich, who

607
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.920
lost his daughter during a primary run for office. We

608
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.000
can see this is the letter here that we're going

609
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:48.239
to be talking about. It is made out to mister

610
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:53.480
editor something the Zodiac would say, dear sir, whoever you are,

611
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:58.199
This just disgusting to read what seems to be a

612
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:02.280
news that nobody really can hairs but the relatives of

613
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:06.800
innocent citizens murder and our beloved San Francisco. So this

614
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.800
is being mailed talking about San Francisco.

615
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:12.360
That looks like Jack's running.

616
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.400
I'm telling you, like when I do the comparisons of

617
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.519
these things, and here we have all the belltop A's

618
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:21.599
that I believe once existed in the Zodiac communications that

619
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:25.320
we have seen, probably removed over the years as the

620
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:26.800
images made the Internet.

621
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:37.880
But so it says, it's always the oh Man. That's

622
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:39.800
a hard one to read. The petimist's fault.

623
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.599
Never the bastard muni drive, the majority black and Asian.

624
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.599
What happened with the white people drivers we once had?

625
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:54.079
Are they all retard on welfare or at Laguna Honda.

626
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.840
I don't know what any of that means.

627
00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:59.239
But from now on there will be a muni driver

628
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.679
executed for every citizen murdered in the streets of San Francisco.

629
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:11.480
You thought I was dead, No, way this is I'm saying, yeah, this.

630
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:12.679
Is I'm saying that.

631
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.880
So basically it goes on a little bit more about

632
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:22.039
the communication, and it says, let's see here, the two

633
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.480
thousand greeting card was postmark twenty two. Oh, I already

634
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:24.800
read that.

635
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:26.639
To find the.

636
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.960
Reason Senator George Voinovich was targeted, we have to look

637
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.239
at his timeline on Wikipedia, where it states in the Senate,

638
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:36.760
Vwinovich opposed lowering taxes. He frequently joined Democrats on tax issues.

639
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.159
I just read that in these other Yeah, okay, I'm

640
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:42.079
not going to go back through that again. Now here's

641
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.440
a direct comparison between a nineteen eighty six letter from

642
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:50.119
the Zodiac, which was validated as a Zodiac communication by

643
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:54.199
Terrence Pascal, a former document examiner who worked on the

644
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:57.039
actual Zodiac case back in the day. And here is

645
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:59.320
the envelope to the letter that we're talking about right

646
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:03.000
now that was set to not only I mean this

647
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:08.360
is actually then it's coming out of San Francisco on

648
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.519
the tenth of January and it's mailed to.

649
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:13.000
The San Francisco Chronicle.

650
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.599
So we're seeing a combination of these working that air

651
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:20.000
way back and forth. So this one follows the Bowinovitch

652
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.119
letter that was mailed late December of nineteen ninety nine,

653
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.360
and then in two thousand and one. Now you have

654
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.719
to keep in mind that I'm not exactly sure what

655
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:33.159
date Dennis confronts Jack with the information. We know that

656
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:35.679
Dennis knows in two thousand, but at some point in

657
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.599
time in two thousand and one, Dennis is letting Jack

658
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.159
know that nobody's taking him seriously and they don't believe

659
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.440
Jack is the Zodiac, and I think that's where we

660
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.719
start to see the communications ramp up again this one

661
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:50.079
here in two thousand and one. We're going to see

662
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.920
some more for two thousand and one, including the Anthrax letters,

663
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:55.480
But there were a lot of things in this particular

664
00:37:56.199 --> 00:38:00.800
spelling I'm spelling arrangement on this envelope that was very consistent,

665
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.480
including the use of the additional four numbers in the

666
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:05.000
ZIP code.

667
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:06.119
We're going to see this.

668
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.639
Happen in the nine to eleven Anthrax or not nine

669
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:11.280
to eleven, I think it was nine to eighteen, But

670
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:15.960
that whole nine to eleven two thousand and one experience

671
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.800
that occurred for that week and a half or so,

672
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:20.719
we're going to see him using those for the last

673
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:24.280
four digits of the zip code as well. And I

674
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:26.840
put all of these pieces together at the very end

675
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:29.840
of this presentation where I show all the consistencies between

676
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.880
all the communications and how they cross over. So we'll

677
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.079
look at that at another time. But the information and

678
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:39.639
the way everything is done is pretty much zodiac one

679
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:40.239
oh one.

680
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:43.199
I have a couple of observations. First of all, the

681
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:47.119
stamp on the one it's a little bit of skew.

682
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:49.239
So yeah, you know.

683
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.480
And then the writing on the right looks like Jack's r.

684
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:57.559
Righting on the left looks like maybe Jack trying to disguise.

685
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:01.199
His writing, yes, and he understods how to disguise his

686
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.480
handwriting on all you really need to do based on

687
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.719
the Forefathers, You've got to remember, at this point in time,

688
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:11.679
early two thousands, we haven't even had an established credibility

689
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:19.480
as this being a scientific science that we can testify

690
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:21.920
to in court until two thousand and eight. Up until

691
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:26.760
that point, our forefathers indicated one significant difference in handwriting

692
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:31.400
precludes us from identifying somebody as the author. So all

693
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.599
he needed to do was change and correctly keep the

694
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:38.320
change of one letter throughout that entire communication, and that

695
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:41.719
would have prevented most document examiners from coming to a conclusion.

696
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:43.960
But not I.

697
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.320
I mean, I clearly can look past that, especially when

698
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:52.000
we're dealing with anonymous communications, if the person is very

699
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:56.679
well educated in the art of handwriting identification, as I

700
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:59.599
believe the zodiac was. He mentioned it in his letters.

701
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.880
They were, it was mentioned in the Scorpions ciphers.

702
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:04.480
To John Walsh.

703
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.559
And then we see, you know, these subtle differences. But

704
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:09.599
the other things that are very big is look at

705
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:12.280
this M in mission and look at the M and

706
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:13.360
mission over here.

707
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:16.480
And in this one.

708
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.480
If this is actually one of Jack's true ends, true

709
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:24.480
n bell top A's. So he used some of his

710
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:28.239
very consistent and known letters, but he changed things like

711
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.360
the letter T. He turned into capital t's on this

712
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:34.639
right instead of lowercase t's like they should be. So

713
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:38.119
he changes one letter, and then that's supposed to preclude

714
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:43.840
an identification of authorship, which I don't technically buy.

715
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.559
But I don't think you can get away from them

716
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:48.320
Slanting some of those letters.

717
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:53.480
Well, the right word slant is a normal considering the

718
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:57.800
we're taught to write right word, and that creates especially

719
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:01.719
if you're using speed and of writing that that lean

720
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:03.639
will be a little more prevalent.

721
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.119
But in printing, you know, a lot of it is

722
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:09.360
straight up and down.

723
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:13.760
Well it should be, you'd think, but not everybody straight

724
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:15.840
up and down. That's the way we're taught. How we

725
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.440
deviate that makes us able to identify.

726
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:19.760
Who the author is.

727
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:22.199
Yeah, I guess we agree on that.

728
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.920
So yes, So in the Municipal Light, some of the

729
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:29.480
information that I found interesting off of Wikipedia, or maybe

730
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.599
I got yeah, this is Wikipedia. It says as they

731
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:34.280
persisted in making efforts to buy out Muni Light and

732
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.599
pressuring the Winovich into giving them the right to do so,

733
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:39.760
but Winovich resisted.

734
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:40.719
Early in his.

735
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:44.920
Tenure, he arranged for capital improvements to strengthen Muni Light's operation,

736
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:47.519
and by nineteen eighty two it was able to complete

737
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:51.280
compete with CEI. He asserted that the company was making

738
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.599
attempts to cripple Muni Light by lobbying Council against much

739
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:58.360
needed legislation. We still have a battle going on Thewenovitch set.

740
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:04.280
The It says the rebuilding process began through Vwenovitch's administration,

741
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.960
and improvements were made throughout the company, including equipment upgrades

742
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:11.519
and increased wages for all employees. To reflect all the change,

743
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:15.119
Municipal Lite officially changed its name to Cleveland Public Power.

744
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.880
So this is just throwing it back into the power realm.

745
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:20.639
And we know that General Electric is a big, huge

746
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:26.519
thing in Jack's life and in some of these instances

747
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:30.440
where such as John Boney Ramsay's company was purchased by

748
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:33.840
General Electric for pennies on the dollar after they demised

749
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:41.320
his reputation. So the power struggle is real. And I'm

750
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:44.039
not sure which mess message board I took this off of,

751
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.440
but it says by Rubislaw thirty two. This is a

752
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:51.280
nice find, Richard. And at this early stage of examination,

753
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.400
it is perhaps accepted that proof of a Zodiac link

754
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.880
might be difficult, but very persuasive reasons that there may be.

755
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.840
The Dan Barry mint link of nine teen eighty one.

756
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.360
Suggests that the Zodiac had visited that address prior, given

757
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.000
a perception that the Zodiac took a keen interest in

758
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:11.719
collecting miniatures, the stamp collecting, model making and even numismatic

759
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:16.199
numismatics as possible hobbies, as well as astronomy and a

760
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:19.119
following of the space race. All of that describes the

761
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:24.480
Zodiac and Jack for this matter. He goes on to

762
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:29.320
say that, let's see sugary coated sarcas, I'm thinking of

763
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:32.360
you divorce settlement break Oh. So I thought was interesting

764
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.719
is that the person mentions the reason that this author

765
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.360
might have been triggered was a divorce settlement, A breakdown

766
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.159
of a marriage, then viewed as a business arrangement to

767
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:43.440
be mixed is quite likely to bring out the worst

768
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:47.039
of someone who is likely to blame anyone else but themselves.

769
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.480
So we had Nora just die, right, So.

770
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.039
All of a sudden, Jack goes from being very busy

771
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:56.039
with her and her health to nothing on his hands

772
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.559
and mad again, if you will.

773
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:00.119
And then Dennis.

774
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.480
Stumbling onto the fact that he believes that he is

775
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.679
the Zodiac. So, knowing that Jack was purportedly moved back

776
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.639
to Texas, we see another set of murders come across

777
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.480
January twentieth of two thousand and one. Unidentified skeleton remains

778
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:19.000
approximately fifty years of age. Wider Hispanic mail at the

779
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:23.880
ten thousand block of Bilnowski Road. Willis Texas citizen operating

780
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:28.239
bulldozer in a partially wooded area and unearthed dentures Further

781
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:33.360
investigation uncovered skeleter remains. Denters bore the name Eton and

782
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:36.440
the number thirty three eight four one, which may have

783
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.480
been given through the Texas Department of Criminal Justice.

784
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:40.199
I don't know.

785
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:44.360
I didn't know we paid for dentures, but evidently it

786
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:48.039
looks like in corrections they were doing this. So interesting

787
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.760
that this was somebody who came out of prison, obviously

788
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.679
because he has dentures that can be identified. But I

789
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:56.559
also thought it was interesting that Eaton happened to be

790
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.199
the name of these dentures since Eaton bond of paper

791
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.719
was used in the Zoe DAC stuff.

792
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:02.000
So I just threw it in there.

793
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:05.880
February first of twenty and one, twenty seven year old

794
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:10.480
John David McGoldrick, eight thousand block of South Williams Road, Willis, Texas,

795
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:14.199
was attended a gambling event near Willis. He reportedly won

796
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.559
during the event and then traveled to the location with

797
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.119
a friend where they played pool with other associates. Approximately

798
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.320
ten pm, vehicles lights were observed approaching and a number

799
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:27.320
of male suspects began yelling outside and demanding entry, at

800
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.400
which time several shots were fired into the home through

801
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.920
a closed door and windows, striking John. The suspects then

802
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:36.719
entered the home, where they searched and removed cash. The

803
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:41.079
suspects fled in at least two vehicles, And it didn't

804
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:44.480
actually say who the people who did the people.

805
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:47.119
In the house identify? Like, did they know these people?

806
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:48.440
Did they see who it was?

807
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:51.880
There had to been some information that was there, they

808
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:53.239
just hadn't reported it.

809
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:57.239
They wanted money from the card game.

810
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.360
Right, you never know showing back up to take their

811
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:01.920
money back.

812
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:04.760
Yeah, they would know where their money went.

813
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:10.719
Here's my PEPSI shout out no royalties, guys, really quick.

814
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:14.880
Back to Kusinich. Yeah, I thought I recognized the name. Yeah.

815
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.960
Later he became a member of the House's representative member

816
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.960
of Congress and twice in two thousand and four. In

817
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.280
two thousand and eight, he ran for president Democrat ticket.

818
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:29.400
Really yeah, well recognized that.

819
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:32.559
That's why I do the pronunciation so well, because yeah, yeah,

820
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:33.440
he ran for president.

821
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:35.880
Well, and it shows you how long these people are

822
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:40.000
able to continue their dastardly stuff and you run our country.

823
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:43.239
You lost to the Vinovich or whatever his name is

824
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:44.280
or the other guy.

825
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:46.360
Well, and it doesn't shock me.

826
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:50.800
I have and still yeah, yeah, following in a while.

827
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.440
I started getting my own kinds of like rhetoric from

828
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:58.519
the Conservative Party. It was I was actually happy to

829
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.760
see that they mailed both minds, mothers and my information

830
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:04.719
in one envelope instead of sending two envelopes for this

831
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.119
signature that they wanted and then one envelope to mail

832
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.039
it both back. But here we are in twenty twenty

833
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:13.559
six and we read the twenty sixteen stuff from that

834
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:16.039
old guy a couple of weeks ago, But this one.

835
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:19.559
The Transparency Act requires the Independent State Auditor to conduct

836
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.960
performance and financial audits and new taxes to identify potential

837
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:26.480
savings from addressing waste and fraud. Requires the results to

838
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.000
be posted publicly, and then the Voter Information Guide so

839
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:31.400
voters know what we're getting and can be and can

840
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:36.480
hold politicians accountable. Ah yeah, right, requires new taxes to

841
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.199
comply with our state spending limits so that any excess

842
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:42.920
revenues get refunded to taxpayers, not handed to the special interests.

843
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.360
Why are we still dealing with this same stuff knowing

844
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.760
year after year and decade after decade that the same

845
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.000
people who continue to run our country are the ones

846
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.159
that are running us into debt and into ground.

847
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:56.239
I don't know.

848
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:01.000
March twenty third, twenty one, twenty year old bond callist

849
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:05.000
Luna Perez, five thousand block of Sordis McClellan Road, Porter, Texas.

850
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:08.920
March twentieth, two thousand and one. The Luna Perez illegally

851
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:11.480
entered the US with thirty other people who were being

852
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:14.599
kept at a residence until he began complaining of being ill.

853
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:18.360
Suspect claimed he was taking Lunapez to the hospital and

854
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:21.000
they got into a red Chevy Blazer S ten and

855
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.079
Luna Perez was never seen again until his body was discovered.

856
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:26.599
He had been beaten to death. So obviously this is

857
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:28.000
some human trafficking that we.

858
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:28.840
Have going on here.

859
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:29.760
Wow.

860
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:34.599
Oh well, we are down to our last minute and

861
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:36.679
twenty seconds. So I don't know that I'm going to

862
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.880
climb into Jack's book, But what we're going to be

863
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:42.519
talking about next week is direct conversations. So what you're

864
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.000
seeing right here right now is Dennis's book addressing making

865
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:49.119
that phone call to Jack, because it says one day

866
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:51.840
I felt like calling Jack and just asking him, are

867
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:54.000
you the Zodiac? I thought about it for a while,

868
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:56.800
I figured what the hell I wasn't getting anywhere with

869
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.599
from the San Francisco police. I wanted to see what

870
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.400
he would say and if he did admit it, how

871
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.280
much he would he tell me? So I called him

872
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.960
up and this was our conversation. So next week we're

873
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:11.480
going to be picking up on these conversations and discussing

874
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:15.000
what is in Dennis's book that I have transcribed for

875
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:18.320
us to go over next week. Is there anything else

876
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:19.760
you would like to add at this point?

877
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:24.039
Yes, we also need to go back to Black Dahlia

878
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:25.480
for a minute next week.

879
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.880
Well not next week, because what I have planned right now,

880
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:32.159
I'm down to probably the last few weeks of this presentation.

881
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:35.800
Then we can backtrack to those items. I want to

882
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:38.239
kind of stay in rhythm right now because we're going

883
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.840
to go through some very sketchy stuff on through the

884
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:45.320
nine to eleven attacks and on into Tom Boyd's letters,

885
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:47.920
on into the Tim Miller letter, and then I feel

886
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:49.440
like once we get that out of the way, we

887
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:51.960
can backtrack all we want to anything else because we

888
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.519
have plenty of time to do. So word okay, perfect,

889
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:58.000
All right, you guys, everybody have a wonderful weekend, and

890
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.519
we will see you next Friday. Thank you Nolan, see

891
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:24.000
you next Friday.