Jack and Nora 1997-1999

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0:52 Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Road, Jack Finding the Zodiac. I have some research and YouTube questions will start out with today, but we are mostly going to be covering what's going on in Jack and Nora's life over nineteen ninety seven. I found more interesting information in regards to uses of different names once again, which we know that Jack has done throughout his lifetime. But some of them are a little astonishing because they are actually repeats or duplicates of names that were used that he was charged criminally with in some of his gosh like the poaching incident or the assault with the deadly weapon, and the way that he actually was able to get bonded out on a completely different name. So we're seeing a repeat of those names and it looks to me to be about a ten or fifteen year difference between the use of those names, but he is still using them in the nineteen nineties. So we'll start with our YouTube comments that I got in this last week, and it was quite a long One's going to take a couple slides, but I tried to answer most of the questions with a succinct answer in regards to everything, So I'm not going to read. I'm just going to kind of highlight what this person was thinking, and then we'll go to the answers, because I think they probably haven't watched all the episodes, maybe came in on this one, and there's still a lot of people out there that think that Arthur Lee Allen is the number one suspect, So a

2:23 lot of this kind of boiled back to Arthur Lee Allen. So basically, it's told the kirk k four Q indicated that they wondered if Jack Terrence and Arthur Lee Allen knew each other, And of course we've discussed this in the past, but Dennis had made a comment that Jack stated when seeing Arthur Lee Allen on the news as a suspect for the Zodiac killings that he referred to him as being that's the nice man who gave me a ride home from Lake Barry Essa. I thought that was extremely interesting that this was something that Dennis would have remember or brought up, though he didn't actually state the time frame in which case the statement was made or when Arthur Lee Allen was actually on the news being accused of being the Zodiac. But that was one comment or one question that was asked by this individual.

3:19 They talked. He talks about they both love hunting, and they both had cars and traveled the wooded picnic areas, so he's put in a lot of commonalities between Arthur Lee Allen and Jack Terrence now turned on. Okay, So the individual goes on to say things like, even if they weren't very close friends, did they at least know each other? Perhaps they were estranged and distant. Zodiac killer was clevered and Jack didn't attract much attention, which, of course is what I've said all along. Didn't attract much attention as an individual because you wouldn't want to lead them back to you as a suspect, but as the Zodiac persona obviously was wanting all kinds of attention. I know that they the individual made mention to let's see here allegedly Jack's Zodiac costume and knife don't match the actual Zodiac costume found at the crime scene. I don't know where they thought they found this at the crime scene, because the hood was not found at the crime scene and that there were no DNA traces that were found.

4:30 So my response was not knowing where they got their information from the hood and the knife didn't match, because by all it says, I don't know where you get your information that the hood and knife didn't match, because by all descriptions, they did, and if the hood wasn't to match, the FBI wouldn't have wasted time doing a DNA test. They did not find any DNA or blood on the hood, per the FBI, but I highly doubt that they would have told us if they had found any of it. I mean, honestly speaking, the FBI keeps things pretty close to the hip and they're not about to give away, you know, anything, especially in an open investigation. They did keep the hood as evidence and stated that the fabric predated the Zodiac crimes. It is called a juke fabric, which is a gunnysick gunnysack like material, and it had the holes for the clip on sunglasses. So that's pretty damning if you ask me. And the fact that it was found packed away inside of a PA system that was owned by Jack was also pretty damning.

5:30 As for the DNA, he said in two thousand and two, a DNA sample from the saliva on the stamps in the letter was compared to Allen's DNA, but no conclusive result was reached. Again, that is misinformation. As for Arthur Lee Allen in the DNA test, he was cleared on all aspects of forensics, including DNA in two thousand with Harry Phillips on twenty on twenty who arranged to have eight suspects DNA ran, and I'm pretty sure that included everybody from Warrence Kage. I mean, all these people that we've gone over and ruled out as possible suspects. I spoke to Harry Phillips personally and asked why Jack's was not ran in this episode and his response was because we knew the other eight suspects were not the zodiac.

6:14 So again, what does that tell you? What he doesn't say is you know they're looking at Jack obviously as a valid suspect, and knowing that he hadn't been ruled out as a suspect, they did not include in the DNA testing, which I thought was rather odd because I thought the goal here was to figure out who committed these crimes and to do whatever it took to have that happen. So why would a major media company do DNA testing on people they already knew were not the suspects. I just really don't understand that, again, unless it's just to keep this thing as a mystery. Let see, Arthur Lee Allen also died with a typewritten note in his hand that said he was not the Zodiac. The Zodiac would have written a novel laughing at how he was never caught. So I highly doubt in any aspect that Arthur Lee Allen could be considered the Zodiac killer. He went on to talk about the shoeprint matches the size of Arthur and Jack because of its military brute, and he talks about the Zodiac watch. So he's saying that evidence matching Arthur includes a Zodiac grand and watch a glove number. I don't know what a glove number means.

7:26 I would really be interested in finding out what that person was trying to say by that and a bloody knife. So a bloody knife. If they found a bloody knife, that DNA probably could have been tested to see if that blood matched any of the victims. So again, I have not heard about the bloody knife or this glove number thing, but I would think that that bloody knife would either roule him in or rule them out as a possible Zodiac suspect, and it did neither. So I'm not sure again where they got their information from, but that just tells me what's floating around up there on the internet. I did mention back that Arthur Lee allen Zodiac watch was a gift I believe from his mother, so it was just an unlucky coincidence that he owned it.

8:10 It wasn't something he went out and purchased himself because he was priding himself as being the Zodiac killer. And then he goes on to say something about a Rick Marshall. I'm well, let's see here. Rick Marshall was also a key suspect and the radio operator, so she I think he meant to say he might have known Jack. And also Rick's appearance matches the eyewitness zodiac profile and resembles zodiac sketches. I am not familiar with who Rick Marshall is, and Jack has been the best suspect since two thousands, so not just because of the circumstantial evidence and everything that I've put forth in this presentation, but the handwriting as well. And law enforcement has had DNA fingerprints and palm prints of Jack, and the San Francisco Police Department did everything they could to either not test these items or to watch the results in the DNA. So as far as I know, the FBI has one more envelope with Jack's DNA, and I'm not sure why they haven't granted either way. That's the YouTuber comment and responses there.

9:13 Hopefully they're watching, maybe they'll reach out and let you know where they got that other information from or what it is that they might be talking about. And then I skipped across one of the funniest cases I've probably had them a very long time. It was a trust case in which case they gave me known handwriting samples, and some of those samples actually came in on some political rhetoric, which of course I would not normally have settled down to have read because I'm here to analyze the handwriting, and quite frankly, the handwriting that is on these documents aren't a signature of this individual. So it's not like I would have been comparing this anyways. It was just extra pieces of evidence that they gave me in the handwriting. While I'm looking at this man's responses, I'm about dying and falling out on my chair because some of the things that he has to say. Now, keep in mind, this man is eighty years old, I believe seventy nine eighty based on the timeframe. So this is letters that were sent to him back in twenty sixteen, and it's called Citizens against Government Waste, which we know that.

10:15 I mean, it's a lot of these a lot of these organizations that are sending out these type of mailers are really targeting elderly people and asking them for money to help fight their cause. And so this guy is actually responding to the statements that are made on this piece of paper, and he is donating twenty dollars at this point. But I'm going to read some of it just because I think everybody could use a good laugh. On a Friday, he checked Mark Yes, I've signed my citizens demand because it is absolutely outrageous that the Department of Justice would move to limit the investigative powers of its Inspector General. The eighty year old man response on Congress passed the law detailing the IG's job. So he's alluding to the fact that there is law and precedent for the IG's job. So he's letting them know that this is already on the books. Why are why you know not why? We'll get into that here in a minute.

11:20 It says the IG's are government's most potent watchdogs, and if this effort by the DOJ succeeds, other agencies will very likely follow the DOJ's lead and restrict the ability of their IG's to uncover waste, rawed abuse, and a corruption. And we're seeing a lot of that right now in California. So is this the predecessor to what has now taken place in states like California where there's nobody watching over what it is our governor is allowing to happen. With the funds going from a surplus to a deficit. We are hearing that Trump wants to investigate Newsom in California's wasteful spending and fraud that has occurred under the the watchful eye of Governor Newsom. And this man's response was the employers of the government don't triumph. It says, forcing the Inspector General to ask for permission from the agencies they want to investigate before conducting an inquiry will shield government officials from public scrutiny and potential prosecution. This is nothing more than an effort by Obama administration to cover up government waste and corruption. And he writes underneath of it congressionally produced law. So he keeps repeating that this job for the IGS is it is a law, and the DOJ shouldn't be able to stop them. But here's this organization asking for money to try and stop the DOJ.

12:44 It says, I understand that CGW will face powerful opponents in the Obama administration and potentially the government employees' union bosses. So here we are still talking about the mob again. To win this vitally important battle, you urgently need both my science. Citizens demand in my largest possible contribution in the amount of and the amounts that they're asking for is one hundred and one hundred and twenty five one hundred and forty or other, which is where he placed the twenty dollars. The check contributions, it says, please make your check payable to Citizens Against Government Waste or CAGW. Contributions are taxed inductible to the extent permitted by law. I about fell out because this is where it started to get funny. The eighty year old responds, this is like marriage. It's not the initial cost, it's the upkeep.

13:35 In a subsequent notification that was sent to him, again by Citizens against Government Waste, they are now telling him. In recent years, a number of Inspectors General have been at the center of uncovering headline making scandals, such as those at the Internal Revenue Service and the use of a non governmental email server by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. What's more, CGW regularly works with the various IGS in publicizing wasteful spending and government abuse. We are often the main non governmental organization focusing attention on their findings. Further, our efforts frequently get the IG's recommendations acted on or incorporated into law. He writes in big letters. Start here Number one says, in fact, a twenty fourteen analysis, the taxpayers could save as much as forty three billion. If officials running the biggest federal departments would do what their IGS recommend, that's kind of scary. I mean, if there's any ounce of truth to the solicitation of these letters that are going out that we could be saving money.

14:41 If the IGS were able to do their jobs, make the recommendations, and our government agencies would follow these, that's a little bit scary, it says. However, having the various IGS uncovering, publicizing, and prosecuting wasteful and potentially illegal acts by government officials is unwelcomed by some of the top of the Obama administration and the eighty year old rights. Then they need to clean up their acts. Oh my goodness. If that's not what we talk about, They go on to say, Indeed, this administration has a long pattern of trying to obstruct the work of the IGS. For example, the dj is unlawfully denied or delayed IG access to the records concerning inquiries into Operation Fast and Furious. I'm not sure what that operation is. I did mean to look that up, but Operation Fast and Furious and alleged sex parties involving Drug Enforcement Administration agents, the eighty year old rights in capital letters. That's exactly what prompted the investigation.

15:43 So evidently there was a blocking of this investigation, is what I'm hearing this man say. And he's obviously been on this earth a lot longer than I have been, so he has probably watched a lot of these different things go down. They went on to say, Now, in an effort to further curtail public scrutiny, the DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel has issued a sixty eight page memorandum saying that the DOJ's Inspector General must get permission from the agencies it oversees to obtain access to wire taps, grand jury testimony, or credit information about individuals under investigation by the IG. He writes, how stupid is this way? Stupid? Resign legal counselors. Oh my goodness, I thought it was going to lose myself. They go on to say. What's more, this effort by DOJ lawyers to strip power from the IG at the Department of Justice as clearly a trial balloon.

16:34 To see if Congress said, the American people will let them get away with it. He says, if you can't, the eighty year old says, if you can't tolerate investigation, get a different job. The law is clear. I just love this guy, they gone to say. In response to the memorandum, the DOJ's Inspector General, Michael E. Horowitz, said, Congress meant what it said when it authorized Inspector General to independently access all documents necessary to conduct effective oversight. Without such access, our office's ability to conduct its work will be significantly impaired. The eighty year old rights. See, that's how stuff is fairly evaluated. Apparently, President Obama's new Attorney General and others in the DOJ are desperately trying to give a free pass to lawbreakers and those who are wasting taxpayer funds or abusing their powers within the federal government. The eighty year old rights. Duh. I did not see that one coming, honestly speaking, they go on to say. On top of Cgw's a strong objections to the outrageous new policy, a number of Republican and Democratic members of Congress of decrying the DOJ's efforts to protect lawbreakers, he writes the eighty year old rights they should blush.

17:54 Representative Conyers, the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, also asserted that the IG should not have to ask permission from the very agency he oversees. What's more, he called the opinion a departure from the plain text to the statute and the intent of Congress the eighty year old rights Again duh. They go on to say, clearly there is a bipartisan opposition to this effort by the DOJ to defy Congress and cover up waste and corruption within the government. If CGW can both generate media attention all across the country about what the DOJ has done and rally on unprecedented, unprecedented showing of citizen outrage, we can force the Obama administration to tell DOJ to back down and the eighty year old rights they should not have revealed their stupidity in this way, the key to both generating massive news coverage and recruiting millions of Americans to oppose the DJ's effort to cover up waste and corruption and government all starts with your signed citizens demand it should sign It should start with a signature, right, But why are we having to pay in order to get our Congress to act upon their very own laws to behave in accordance with those laws? So to me again, this is why I went back to This reminds me of the ADL. You know, pay us to protect you and seeke to both generates the key to generating both

19:25 massive news coverage and recruiting millions. Yes, he responds, if they are doing their job right, the IG will note that too. Then it says, please take a moment right now to sign and return your citizens demand. When we oh, no, I didn't want to read that line. Sorry, and plainly put. Such an effort fighting the administrator's lawyers and maybe even their union boss friends will be expensive. The eighty year old writes, this is not a pissing contest. Just show them the nineteen seventy eight law and bigger print every time they disagree. Could you imagine the size of this sign now, if we had to print it bigger each and every time they failed to do their jobs. Some ending ones was all told to wage this effort and continue our other investigations and battles against deficit producing government waste.

20:19 I calculate that CGW must raise approximately one hundred and fifty thousand in the next thirty days. Oh my goodness, to reach and even exceed this all important goal. I need your special contribution when you return your citizens demand. He says, see above. You don't have to spend more money except for printing, because he said, just keep printing it larger if it's humanly possible. I would like to ask you to please consider sending at least one hundred or even one twenty five or one hundred and forty. I don't think I can overstate that it will mean to our country's future if the Obama administration gets away with killing off the investigation policing powers of our government's ig and the eighty year old rights. I'm not going to spend my money. The law already says what it says.

21:05 Bless his heart, like he literally has responded to just rhetoric. I mean, these people are obviously just reaching out at this point. Good morning the land that's welcome for me. So I can't hear you. Okay, good I had a problem. I started your your email and I've tried to open it that way, but I couldn't. Sort of what I did, I went to back to one's from last week and just put down out and it worked. Yeah, that's the one you're going to use each and every time now Okay, yeah, so they we won't be reseteasing. Don't e racist start that bad boy, all right. I think you can also save it to your favorites, you know, if you want to be able to there coming in.

21:58 I don't know, obviously, this is the first week with the new link I did. I did. Maybe that's a good possibility. I don't know if I've seen a response from her. This morning, I was just covering the Citizens Against Government Waste, which is a conservative group that was reaching out to one of its constituents. I'm gonna call for better. I mean, he must be a member of the conservative group I would assume to be receiving these mailers. But they're asking for money to help fight government waste and spending and the deal and to prevent the do J from uh excluding the oversight or resisting the site from the IGAL.

22:46 Money and weapons Israel. They'll say a bunch of money. Don't say that, you'll be called an anti Semitic and you'll get sued. And this man was absolutely hilarious. So he's about eighty years old and on the letter. So it's a case I just recently had to take. And these were some known samples I was provided, otherwise I would have never read any of this stuff. But he alludes to the fact that what these people are calling on him for was much like a marriage. It's not about the initial costs, it's about the upkeep. And he keeps telling him, I don't need to give you my money. The law already exist. Every time they disagree with allowing the oversight to occur, he says, just print the law bigger and show it to him again. I don't know.

23:34 I was in hysterics when I was reading this because it even alludes to the Obama administration sex parties with the DA agents and all these things, which this is back in twenty sixteen, right, so this is before Epstein is well known, not before I guess Epstein took his first ball two thousand and six, two thousand and seven. But now they're talking about sex part This organization is calling out the obamadministration for sex parties. So the weaponizing of media obviously has been going on for eons, though I don't usually have any past experience examples of it until I saw this and I was just like, holy crap, this just kind of ensuals. What I'm saying is that it's just one year after the next they continue their their egregious acts against Yeah, the propaganda, well it's likely propaganda that these people are putting out for sure, But they're literally telling us that this stuff is going on within our own political walls and that Obama is having sex parties. So is this the onset of them? Right? Right?

24:45 That's what I'm saying, Like, where do you get this information from? Is it real? But again I likened it to the ad L because when I looked up Citizens against Government Waste, you won't find this to be a coincidence. They are a five zero one c four nonprofit organized think tank and physically conservative advocacy group in the USA, So every dollar they're taking in is not taxed and they're claiming to want to protect us. So to me, it just sounds like mob and insurance all over. And again, yeah, that's my tangent. He obviously doesn't either, and he's mad. He's like, it's a law of books. This is stupid, he says. And I'm gonna go back to this one where he says this. One of his responses is was they should blush, and the other one is how stupid is this way stupid resign legal counselors.

25:42 Yeah, they worried about spending to fun programs for the public and libraries and arts. And things like that. They cry about that, but they don't say anything about military spending and the military industrial complex and the waste that goes on. There exactly well, And I think that that's what he's alluding to here, is that basically the IGS have been blocked by the DOJ, and so Citizens against Government Waste is trying to fight this battle to allow the IGS to do their job to uncover this wasteful spending, fraud and you know, bad acts that are being committed by the government. So it obviously tells you that they that there are agencies out there that don't feel that our government has been doing us right either. So it kind of just falls in line with what I'm saying that's going on here with all of this stuff.

26:35 It just it was questioned. Yeah, on my phone, I got a little pop up that pup wants to deport Robert de Niro. You know why. I don't know. I said something anti Trump and now Trump, but he's a citizen. Where's he going to deport him to? Yeah? I wrote United States citizens. Come on, Well, but that's what I'm saying. I think sometimes this stuff is just again it's just yeah, propaganda, weaponizing stuff. I mean, I I don't discount that the Trump said it, because he does say some stupid things, but.

27:17 Like, yeah, him to I've known that that is not a Trumper, that's for sure. But there you can't threaten to work someone just because they criticize you. No, and especially it's a right. And when you're a political official or you're some high ranking person like literally you have to take just about what anybody says about you because it's supposedly their thought, their opinion. That's that goes along with freedom of speech. But I mean, honestly, you can't say things that are untrue that would harm the person either, right. Right, No, you don't get a little alar on people. Yeah, well they have. They're just full of lies, unless well he stole president. So I'm not putting anything fast.

28:12 Oh my goodness. So we're now going to climb into to Jack and Nora for nineteen ninety seven, and I found some interesting things. So to add on to the fact that I don't believe the date sequences in Nora's diary are correct. We're going to see some information that is going to kind of peel back that part where I say that I don't believe that the dates are all correct, as they have been corrected, So that leads me to believe that the original dates that were written in there were probably more correct, and what she changed them to does not coincide with other pieces of evidence that I'm finding. So last time there's several dates were corrected. It was weird, right fact.

28:57 Yeah, completely after the fashion. What you're in left. Does Jack die. Right August two thousand and six, No, he actually he is sick with congestin heart failure. They put in a pacemaker in nineteen ninety seven, but he does not die until two thousand and six. I mean, we're going to see some very strange things, including a will that. He lived another nine years. Said yeah, yes. So on March twenty fourth, nineteen ninety seven, Pernor's diary, the family left California to pick up Dennis and head to Washington to Mary's for the Easter holidays. So they know sooner than have gotten back, Jack has been hospitalized, got the pacemaker, and they are back on the road in March for Easter. So this tells you how much traveling and how easy it is for Jack to pick up and just go somewhere and drive great distances and this, Like you said, we thought he was gravely ill at this point, but it turns out obviously he's hopping back on the road once again for Easter.

30:04 I say, he always travels for the holidays to either Mom or from Mom to California to Washington. He's all over the place. On March twenty sixth, nineteen ninety seven, Jack receives a letter in regards to an auto accident on February twenty sixth, nineteen ninety seven, and is still living on Nelda Street. But this does not coincide with norris diary that he was in the hospital on February twenty six and that there's no mention of an accident in her diary. So there's nothing that's said about this accident. But we do have this all state notice that came out and it says our ensured Jack Terrence, date of loss February twenty sixth, nineteen ninety seven. But her diary says something different. So either he goes out, Yeah, something's going on there, so it it tends to make me believe that Jack did come back on Christmas Day, rather than her claiming that it was that it was previous to Christmas Day, that that date had been altered and backdated to another date after it had already been written in.

31:07 And how one would not confuse the likes of Christmas when your loved one came home versus any other day of the week, right, I mean, that's what's that. Maybe the accident was in the hospital parking lot. I could see Jack getting out the hospital. Woman, move over, I'm driving. Either accident or he was in hospital. Yeah, And I tend to believe that the insurance company does not have their date of loss wrong, and it has even the injured parties on there. A tear Guitarras and a Maria Lopez were the injured parties in it.

31:50 No, they're good crooks, they know they're good and sure. Yeah, And the notification says, the investigation of your recent accident has been completed. As you may know, the aboved injured party retained an attorney to file acclaim against your policy. Therefore, the file has now been reassigned to me to obtain and investigate any medical wage information which your policy may be legally obligated to pay. So it looks to me like yep, it's being called his fault. And then in Nora's diary on March twenty eighth, nineteen ninety seven, they so they headed out on March twenty fourth to California to pick up Dennis. On March twenty eighth, they left Sacramento for Washington. March thirtieth, they went left Washington to come back to California. So Jack is returning from California to Texas. However, we have seen, well we just talked about that back dating. I won't go back over that.

32:44 We do know that she is suffering from diabetes, so maybe she is not quite right in the mind. At the same time, we know that the diabetes did in fact take a leg and her eyesight and some other things which we'll talk about later. On April fifth of nineteen ninety seven, Nora's diary indicates that have just returned home from California and Washington for Easter. I also want to note that from the John Bennet Ramsey Ransom note, to this point in time, I have no unsolved murders. So while Jack's in the hospital and while you know they're traveling and all of these things. We don't have anything that is going on that I note as unsolved or in the proximity of Jack at that point. And then on April fourteenth, ninety seven, we see Jack's living will and he calls himself John W. Terrence. So this is the first time I see him call himself John, and he's making a will under that name, which is very odd because he's always called himself Jack. And you're going to be even more shocked than right, Yeah, Jack, No, No, Please don't confuse people. I don't want people to hear that and think that his legitimate legal name is J. W. Terrence.

34:00 That's how he was born. That's how his military records refer to him. Your military records are going to be the true form of your legal name, period. You don't get to just write down whatever Jade in quote correct. He was. He was born J. W. Terrence Junior, so he is the second. His father was also born J. W. Terrence but went by John. So this adaptation of John in nineteen ninety seven is new. We haven't seen him use John until this timeframe. He'd always used Jack, and I think that was to differentiate himself between him and his father.

34:42 So Dad was John, he was Jack, right, So you're gonna just die. I've never read the likes of this type of a will before says to my family, my physician, my lawyer, my clergyman, to any medical facility in whose care I happened to be, to any individual who may become responsible for my health, welfare, or affairs. Death is as much a reality as birth, growth, maturity, and old age. It is the only certainty of life. If the time comes when I John W. Terrence Junior can no longer take part in decisions of my own future, let the statement stand as an expression of my wishes while I am still of sound mind. If the situation should arise in which I am internal state and there is no reasonable expectation of my recovery, I direct that I be allowed to die a natural death, and that my life not be prolonged by extraordinary measures. I do, however, ask that medication be mercifully administered to me to alleviate suffering, even though this may shorten my remaining life. This statement is made after careful consideration, and is in accordance with my strong convictions and beliefs. I want the wishes and directions here expressed carried out to the extent permitted by law, in so far as they are not legally enforceable. I hope that those two who whom this will is addressed will regard themselves as morally bound by these provisions. If it is permissible under the laws of the jurisdiction on which I may be hospitalized, I direct that the physician supervising my care, upon a terminal diagnosis, to discontinue hydration water,

36:16 should the continuation of hydration be judged to result in unduly prolonging and natural death, if it is permissible under the laws of the jurisdiction in which I may be hospitalized, and direct that the physician supervising my care, upon a terminal diagnosis, to discontinue feeding, should the continuation of hydration be judged to result in unduly prolonging a natural death. I herewith release any and all hospitals, physicians, and others, both for myself and for my estate, from any and all liability for complying with this declaration to the fullest extent provided by law. I herewith authorize my spouse, if any, if any not Nora my wife, my spouse, if any or any relative who is related to me within the third degree, to effectuate my transfer from any hospital or other healthcare facility in which I may be receiving care, should that facility decline or refuse to effectuate the instructions given here in So basically, he's saying, it's okay to take me from that hospital if they're trying to prolong my life.

37:21 Right, if they don't even let me die in beast and move me. But this kind of, you know, this kind of fits in with Dennis making the claim that Jack pulled his own oxygen telling Charles to go to Walmart. Go and when you come back, I won't be here, and he hastened his own death. So this actually helps to confirm what Dennis stated that Charles told him that Jack and said, which was I'm you know, I won't be here when you get back, and then he subsequently hastened his own death by pulling his own oxygen tubes. These are also wearing odd odd ways of thinking. In my perception, I've never seen a will written like this. It doesn't bequest anything.

38:09 This is more like an advanced healthcare directive. I guess, right, but he's calling that uniform will right. And his writing. I know that there wasn't no AI in chat GPT out there, but this is some intelligent writing. No, he's a highly. Literate, highly literate, which makes that whole trying to dumb himself down for the zodiac stuff where he spelled and was able to spell really big words but then couldn't spell something like control or Christmas or that definitely instills the fact that he was empty. That was a pattern. It was disguising.

38:50 Yeah, it was a ploy. He was trying to dumb it down and make it look like he was illiterate when he is very, very literate. I mean, I was quite impressed by the writing. I just was a little shocked that it didn't bequest anything to anybody. It didn't tell if anybody what to do with the disposition of his property or anything else like that. It just basically says, don't prolong my death, kill me. Basically, let me just die. He was also a jack of all trades for being like an inventor and a signing to this and a computer genius. Then he able to take menial jobs too. That's what's crazy. He was very It didn't make any sense. Yeah, well, and at this point in nineteen ninety seven, I don't believe we show him having had a job since I think Arizona in ninety three ninety five. I wonder if this is can you see this be my text wouldn't go through bad service? Okay? So yeah, I'm just now hearing from lindsay it looks like she was having some problems with her phone and maybe she couldn't get on either way. So very very interesting that a himself John b that he is. Really he's asking, you know, if I'm bad, then just let me fade away, don't feed me, don't drink me, don't that's just a really I don't know can we even do that? Have we ever been able to do that? Deprive so many of those things?

40:17 Well, generally they do whatever they care. They keep them alive as long as they can. Bet most people don't have directives like this. This is very this is very. This is very good Orkian. Lfusian as well. What's that Malthusian He was an economist based Oh let the poor guy they have to. Oh dear all right, Well, and then we got we have this Jack is on Nelda. So this is April thirtieth and nineteen ninety seven. This is another it's a Welcome to IDT quick Star guide and it's for the let's see Internet Provider. So Jack is climbing onto the Internet in nineteen ninety seven obtaining the songs.

41:12 That's early. That's very early. Yeah, I mean I want to say that in well, that's ninety seven. Yeah, I graduated in ninety one. We did have computers. I feel like I wasn't actively using email systems until late nineties, early two thousands. It feels like, yeah, yeah, so yeah, he was on top of. It five years. Yeah, twenty five years or so. And what with the expense of benn at this point in time, since it wasn't, you know, being mass used by most of society, there's going to how how how I'm just saying he's at the top of his game of whatever technology.

41:54 And attachment was to emails back then there was like facxes. Yeah, and he had facts machine well before anybody else did as well. Like this man was at the top of the technology game and they're had to be away. Yeah. So here's a comp USA service request he is sending in. So this is just more proof that he has computer literacy, and he purchased this computer system ninety five ninety six, so even before the on, before climbing onto the internet. But we've known he's always had computer capabilities all the way back to Arizona in the early nineties. I think we were still working in the early nineties. I'm trying to think of when we started seeing like the computer bus.

42:40 I remember the computer bus coming around to the school, and that's how we got our first, uh experience and trial with the Oh I'm gonna forget the name of that system. It was just the printing was green. You were learning to actually make commands dosca bands? Was it? Yeah. I didn't even have a PC until after I graduated from law school at eighty nine, and I think it was my third year of law school is when they set up the computer center at the law school so people without computers could go there and you know, compose their documents and this and that. Like most people didn't have their own computers in the.

43:21 Late eighties, exactly one. I completely agree with that, all right. So July seventh, nineteen seventy seven, it looks like the family once again heads from Texas to California until August first of nineteen ninety seven. So that's that's a good, you know month that he's gone, so again showing that he's not working. During this diary entry, Nora mentions a kitt and they had found at their home that was identical to another cat they thought might be brothers. However, that kitten was tiny and sick, as she puts it in the diary, they nursed it back to health, and Nora describes the kitten as tiny so as to explain away Jack's reasoning as to why he didn't see the kitten before smashing its head in the doorjam of their suburban.

44:05 Oh yeah, uh And and I don't know if she often like rationalized or justified the things that Jack did. But Jack has been known to kill the family animals. He was said to have killed the neighbors animals like this man did not care have any empathy for animals whatsoever. So to say that he accidentally and I'm thinking a Chevy suburban is is pretty high off the ground out of this little se vehicle. Yeah, how did the sickly little kitten get itself up into that door jam? I don't know. Let's see some of the stories that I remember about animals was the neighbors. The story Jack told about the hog farm.

44:48 Where he shot the dog or something. But yeah, he shot the Yeah, he killed the neighbors dogs, and I think that was plural. And then he told a story about a hog farm that he was on that he lit up all all of them by putting a ground wire into their trough and lighting it up with electricity. So when he called them in for feed, because they kept knocking them over, they kept messing with them, the pigs did. So he was mad at these pigs. So he basically hoped that I know, he hot wired their trough and when they came to feed, he killed off the entire lot. And he chuckled and said he left. He left the farm before the owners had gotten home.

45:29 Ok. It looks He stated that Dennis or Jack told Dennis at one point in time that, Okay, I'm getting feedback from you. No one. It said if Dennis, if Jack told Dennis that if he would just kill something, they could be friends. Uh. There's also family has reported to me that Jack had killed the family pats in a previous marriage, and Dennis described finding Jack with Charles's cat in a pillowcase about to kill it. He's stubled upon Jack. So Jack's just well known for killing animals. And hear Nora say like it was an accident. I highly I disbelieve that it was an accident. So now we start to see after August first, when they return back to Texas, we start to see murders pick up again. And again these are just in proximity of where Jack is at and whether or not Jack is capable of doing this or Jack is even responsible for it. I just have them in here because they are unsolved murders. But on August twenty fifth of nineteen ninety seven, coincidentally, after this long break of nothing, we start to have murders in Texas again.

46:39 This one's in New Cane, Texas. It's a missing person, a white male, six foot three inches, two hundred and ten pounds, brown hair, blue eyes, and nickname of Kudakenta. I don't know what that means. September one of nineteen ninety seven entry and Nora's diary about Jack getting alone to move back to California. She has complaints about her eyes again, which we saw that begin in nineteen ninety seven. But this might be where the eyesight is starting to be lost, and Nora says they will pull the travel trailer. She must meet with the suburban. But then if Charles is driving the small U haul, I questioned, who's driving the Honda a Cord that is wrecked in December and the Honda Civic that was driven back in December of nineteen ninety seven. After Flova's funeral September sixth of nineteen ninety seven, they moved back, moving back to California. In Nora's diary, Flova is still in a senior home and their plans are to go back and visit, and they arrive in California on September tenth. I'm rather shocked that in Flova's frail age, Jack wanted to move away. I know Nora wanted to. I know Nora wanted to be out of there, but I'm shocked that Jack would leave her in that condition when he supposedly picked up and left a family holiday right in nineteen ninety seven, right before the John Benny ramsay stuff to go back because Mom was sick, And now he's just gonna up and ski battle out of the state while she's at her

48:09 greatest point. It just doesn't really kind of make sense to me. September. Well, No, obviously he's doing well. He's driving all over the place. Interesting, Well, he was in the hospital that year, right. Yeah, yeah, they gave him a pacemaker. Though, once they gave him the pacemaker and programmed the pacemaker, he evidently good to go. Yeah, I mean's she's traveling. I don't know too many people who are gravely ill that want to be in a car locked up in a car for you know, ten twelve hours at a time. September sixteenth or nineteen ninety seven, they found a trailer space on Wanton Auburn. This is the location that we discussed that has now been occupied by the FBI, or across the street became the FBI's headquarters in Sacramento. When they finally open up an FBI office in Sacramento September twentieth of nineteen ninety seven. Greater than a thirty year old unidentified human skeletal remains at the thirty four hundred block of Riley Fussel Road, Springs, Texas. It says citizen was making a trail for a deer stand in a wooded area in the thirty four hundred block of Riley Fussel Road, approximately one point five miles north of Raeford Road. The citizen observed a human school and notified the MCSO. Deputies investigated and recovered additional human remains. Examination by experts revealed that the school contained a bullet hole. A probable description obtained was a white male greater than thirty years of age.

49:41 So again, this evidently was just unidentified remains, and it did not actually give us an idea of when the person was killed. Now we see here on Oh, I don't think I have a date for this, but this is Jack actually selling a computer system. And I want to say that this is probably before they left Texas, because this ad in the newspaper is in a Texas newspaper. Again, like I said, it doesn't have a date. It has an expiration for a credit card, so it tells me it clearly happened before the credit card had expired on October thirty first of nineteen ninety seven, But I don't know when it was sold. I'm just assuming at this point that it was before they left.

50:25 We also last light the previous slide, I noticed it said they found a trader part what an Auburn. Yeah, I know that place. Well, it's right by mcarnit. I've been by there one hundred times. Okay, so maybe I'm trying to think now what Auburn Okay, yeah, no, no, I'm talking about So this is this is not the one where the FBI set up because that was on Orange Orange Grove and was it Man's in. No, that's that's an Auburn. Okay, So he's he's been at two different Auburn locations. One is now one is more closer to American River College, which is where the FBI set up. Yes, maybe that was a nice too, right, that was the nineteen I woult to say, maybe more than nineteen seventy nine trailer park he was in. So now he's at the Wotton Auburn, which is closer to eighty right.

51:22 Right, yes, by that ampm right there. Yeah, okay, yes, all right. Here we actually see the money order where Jack is paying back the loan that he took to move to California. But I want everybody to take note because as I said, he is using multiple versions. So he went from making his will on April of nineteen ninety seven, that said John W. Terrence. He is now taken out a loan with Beneficial Bank for well, I don't think it tells me what the overall amount was, but it was alone to move back to California. And the name under it is he's purchasing from his own account out at Wells Fargo under the name Jack Torrance t O R R A NCEE. And that was one of the names he was convicted under, right, But that was one of the names he was convicted under, and likely the reasons why my private investigators couldn't run a background check and show that he'd never committed any crimes because the names that they were looking for was not the names that he was ever convicted under. So when I looked at this money order and it shows that it is a personal money order from Wells Fargo Bank, it also shows purchaser's account number, so he has an account with them, So he's opened an account for the name Jack Torrances. Again, it's just showing all of these multiple different uses of names.

52:55 Well use the chameleon. Yeah, yuh, did we just overshoot? We are completely over We need to quiver overshot way overshot? All right, you guys, we will pick up where we left off today, next week on Friday. Thank you Nolan again for being here. Everybody have a wonderful I know how all right. I'll talk to you guys soon. A great week everyone,