March 27, 2026

Zodiac Jack Speaks 2001

Zodiac Jack Speaks 2001
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Dennis figures out that Jack is being covered up for some reason, and his evidence on Jack is getting round filed by the only agency allowed to investigate, the SFPD. Believing they will never look into Jack, Dennis decides to call Jack and ask him himself. This conversation wreaks of Zodiac Killer persona 101 as Jack cryptically takes credit for Zodiac Killer and more… This conversation leads to a meeting where Jack gives Dennis access to his shed in Arizona for more evidence.

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Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today, Lindsay mcbrair,

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good morning, Good morning, and Nolan del Campo, good morning.

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All right, Well, I had some interesting conversations with some

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individuals this last week kind of played into they didn't

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know it last week's YouTube comment, which I have pulled

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back up because we briefly talked about it a little bit,

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and it was an individual discussing the Iron Dome, if

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you remember that one, Nolan, and he indicated that he

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wasn't sure what Israel had on the US, and he

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alluded to World War two being one of those founding events,

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which I pretty much concurred with based on what I've

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learned so far through the research of our history. So

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I reached out to a friend and I was having

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a conversation with her. She was sending me back and

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forth some videos and she also has the same feelings

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that Nolan has in regards to this whole is real

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Iran thing, which is interesting. It's not nothing I didn't know.

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It was just that there were things I was not

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aware of. And she had mentioned the word Zionist. Are

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both of you familiar with this word?

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Yes?

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Yes, what is your interpretation?

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They think that they are.

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Obligated to something based on they that's how they get

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the the zion from the Bible, and they base it

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on that that they are the chosen people.

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Ah, yes, yes, and is that your understanding?

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No one, Yes, the chosen ones. But also the Rastafarians

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claim to be Zionists.

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Too, interesting, Yeah, and where do the Rastafarians come from? Jamaica, Jamaica, Africa, Africa.

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Selassie from Ethiopia is who they worship.

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Okay, so yes, there is some tie into that based

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on it. So I asked my girlfriend what a Zionist was,

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and I asked her in short, because she's well researched,

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she's well versed and Her response in a four minute

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audio text to me was this, approximately nineteen forties, Rothchild,

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wealthiest family in the world, gave Palestine to the Jews

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of Eastern Europe being kicked out of Europe. They were

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given what was called the belfour Declaration, and they arrived

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by ship and the Palestinians welcomed them, and they destroyed

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the Palestinians and claimed Palestine for their own. So basically

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committing incense a genocide, right, basically no different than World

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War two.

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Yep, that's right.

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It says they want to claim parts of Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Jordan,

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and Lebanon from the Nile to the Euphrates, and this

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is represented on the patch of their uniforms in flag.

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So basically they believe they are going odds chosen people,

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and everyone else is or is goyam is what they

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call it, which means water or nothing less than animals

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for them to use, abuse and destroy it. Well, it's

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a form of supremacy, not based on race, but on

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religious beliefs. They are anti Christian and anti Islamic, anti

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everything else but them. Not all Jews believe this way,

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but there are enough of them in Israel that do

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it is the nation of Israel's policies. They're Zionist policies,

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and it is why they have committed genocide with impunity

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and Palestine, and why they have, through propaganda and brainwashing,

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gotten the Christian nationals behind them. So they are called

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Zionists Christians who think that what is happening is bringing

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about the Second Coming. And these people believe this is

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going to speed up the second Coming of Christ, so

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they back the Zionists, and so we Christian Christian Zionists.

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Now further responses. God does not act on stupid humans,

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dad gum, Timeline, I love her curse words, dad gum.

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The Bible is very clear about You're never gonna know

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when he's coming back if he decides to even bother

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with those dad gum people. I mean, geez, Louise, I

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don't know why God does bother with them. It's disgusting

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this whole world. But anyway, that's what Zionism is, and

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they don't care. They do not care about anyone but themselves.

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There are lots and lots of videos of them laughing

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at what they are doing to the United States because

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they are just using the United States they are taking

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billions from this country, three hundred and fifty one billion

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for their use, and they're getting us dragged into these

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dad gum endless wars. All our last wars were from

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the stupidness. Stupidity research it. It's all there on Google

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and all over Instagram. Epstein is a Masada agent recording

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dirt on people from all over the world, heads of

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state and wealthy people from all over the world. Why

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so Israel could use it as black material to get

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them to do whatever Israel wants them to do. They

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have a ridiculous dirt on stupid Trump because his name

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is mentioned so many crazy times in there, and this

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is my input, makes sense how he appeared out of

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nowhere with ridiculous wealth. We probably paid for this treeson

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this act, but it's sickening that our elite would take part,

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or that democratic government would withhold benefits from Americans and

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cause a stutdown of our government unless we agreed to

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fund the foreign interest, which no doubt included Israel. She

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goes on to say, I think I sent the video

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where Trump is screaming no more Epstein bowser to be

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released because if it comes out, he's going to take

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us to war. He'll do whatever, and if he goes down,

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he's taking everyone down with him. And this was a

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video I watched on Instagram, but the way I perceived

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it was he was stating Marjorie Green Taylor or whatever

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her name was, that can take us to war. But

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if he goes down, he's taking everyone down, and I

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think he needs them, not necessarily us. So his threat

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is he is now counteracting that info bomb. And that's

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what I figured. Zodiac was an info bomb. He never

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had a bomb that he was going to set forth,

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but he had enough information. It protected him in a

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sense where he wasn't taken out because they didn't know

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where this information was. So to me, it seems like

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we're playing that same game here. Yeah. She says, all right, love,

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you take care, be careful with this mess because you know,

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just be careful, all right. Bye. She also believes that

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the nine to eleven was another way that they go

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to the US into warren Iraq. So she believes that

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Israel also part of this. But we definitely helped, and

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this is my words again, we definitely help trade it,

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let them get away with it and cover it up,

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just like the Epstein files. I have seen videos of

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Israel officials talking about getting info on every American our

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social media, medical records, buying habits you named it, in

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order to charge us with a crime, so that our

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rights are taken in a way, especially if we speak

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out about them. This is very disturbing, in such a

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way that I can't begin to comprehend a planned operation

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for Israel to force people into their war agenda. I'm

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starting to believe that the two thousand and eight crash

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of our real estate market at that bankrupted and made

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homeless many Americans was likely another agenda that Epstein was

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paid to do. Remember the ADL crisis of KKK and

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the mob They create these kinds of scenarios. See, I

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can hardly believe the things that I'm seeing on these videos,

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and some of them is talking about adrenal blood and

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the possibility of our foods tainted with human sells or flesh.

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But that's what's going around on Instagram, and Epstein seemed

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to be implicated in that, as well as many big

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corporations and industries. If they've achieved such things, it took

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a lot of powerful people to make it real. Now

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I see who John Ramsay might have upset in light

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of his father creating a runway for Fox Island, a

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pedophile island. Many of the same people named in this

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presentation can be tied back to Epstein in one way

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or another. They have more on Trump than we can

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possibly imagine. And this was the ploy and how he

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made it back into office, This was their agenda, this

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whole Iran thing. Everybody kept asking, how did he make

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it back into office? How did he make it back

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into office? Well, everything's upawn, everything's a play. I see

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Trump as someone they could force into war based and

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now what they did or now what they what did they?

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Oh?

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I'm asking now what did they have on Bush to

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force him into the Iraq war? Oh?

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That went down? That would all the way back to

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his father.

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I know, I know. But these people have information, clearly,

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And if these individuals, the elite, weren't such sickos, nobody

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would have this information on him. You guys got played.

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You guys got sent right into the heart of the

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lion's den with Epstein, and every single one of them

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gobbled it up. And now you want to cry, Oh,

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if I go down, I'll take everyone down. Americans shouldn't

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be paying for your guys dirt. We didn't do this,

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you did. Yeah, all right, that's the end of my

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little rant.

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But research I can tell good job.

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Well.

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She lit me up with a bunch of videos while

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I was in Reno this last weekend at a four

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day dart event my friends were playing in and I

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just thought i'd relax. I knew she would be sending

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me as far as links were concerned, so I didn't

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look at any of them until I got home, and

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then I was just engulfed in it and like, oh

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my gosh, this is just disgusting, and I'm sickened by

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what it is that I know. Once again, I thought

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the Zodiac case would have been enough for me to

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be sickened. But I tell you what, I'm really sad

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that I have children that are going to be their

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pawns and if their goal is to get dirt on

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us in order to like one of the things I

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heard them say is that if you're speaking out against

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if you're there, if they can call you an anti Semitist,

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then they can somehow figure out a way to get

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you convicted of that speech. When we're in a free

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speech nation, they should have no control over this.

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Yep. Well, they want the children, that's what they want exactly.

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They want their so they can go ahead and manipulate

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them in advance to you.

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Know, to already prepare them for what they want to do.

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Well, the Second Coming isn't coming.

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What's coming is maybe a World War three that you

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guys perpetrated. I mean, you guys are the vamping or

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the vampires of death and destruction period.

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M Yeah, Well, I think there is a real hell

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and we're living in it.

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Right when when I was I've actually invested lots of

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time speaking to different religions and having the US and

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the elders and the pastors and people in my house

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where I would question them with these hard questions they

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didn't have answers for, so they could never really settle

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my mind on anything. But the Latter day Saints believe

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that heaven's here on earth. What the heck kind of

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heaven is?

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There is a lot that is a big rabbit hole

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for that one. I've been actually, yeah, put on Twitter

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on that topic and how they tie into that, and

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he taed to Asriel. So if y'all, if if the

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viewers want to see that that's all there on my Twitter, so.

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I will be happy. I will be happy to cover that.

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And I did still want to speak with Megan right

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after We're almost done with the segments of the Zodiac.

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Is because I only go until Jack dies, because after

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Jack dies, we don't see any more of these communications

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or writings that could be attributed to Jack, or at

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least I have not seen or been provided with any

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So I would love We're in two thousand and one

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right now, make it to two thousand and six, and

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then it's a free for all. After that. I have

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many many episodes that I've already paid for, and we

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can pick up on all of those. The Black Doll Ya,

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Megan Walsh interesting and more insight to the study of

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adrino blood, which you, guys, if you've not heard of this,

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this was my first time where you literally scare the

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living crap out of a child so bad that it

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causes adrenaline system and then they bleed them out, and

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then what they do with the body at the end

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is this is what's running around on the internet. I

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don't know if it's true, but what they do with

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the body is grinded up into meat that becomes sausage hamburger,

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and there are fetal stem cells and flesh and things

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like that in our are processed packaged foods, which may

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very well explain why so many people are sick these

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days in America from the food that we're eating. So

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I'm going to be doing crue.

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I've found that same thing out in twenty sixteen.

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So all right, well, then we'll have some more things

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to talk about. We left off last week at where

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Dennis was about to give Jack a call because SFPD,

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the FBI, nobody seems to be moving on the evidence

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that Dennis is supplying, so he really is chomping at

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the bit. He can't wait to ask Jack himself. He

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decides to pick up the phone because nobody's moving on

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the information that's being given, and he begins recording conversations

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between him and Jack. Now we're going to I do

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kind of like a posthumous reading of this recording. Nolan

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is going to play Jack, I'm going to play Dennis.

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Keep in mind, this is not something we rehearse, so

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if we mess it up a little bit, give us

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a little leeway. I barely got the script over to

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him this morning, so we're gonna And actually what you're

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seeing on my screen right now is the actual conversation

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that Dennis recorded. I've listened to these recordings, and I

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know that what he's saying in this book is true.

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So what you're seeing here, you can see that Dennis

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has written about it, and I just merely transcribed that

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into a way that I could read it easier with

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Nolan and I. So two thousand and one, Jack is

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aware that the FBI is looking into him due to

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Dennis about the Zodiac case. I believe this was Jack's

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way of giving them some busy work. Jack told Denny

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that he would go to the FBI and clear his name,

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but instead he perpetrated yet another crime that would take

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the attention off him. So if you didn't understand that

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Jack and Denny, Denny being the biological son of Jack

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Jack had. Jack told Denny he would go to the

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FBI and clear his name, but he didn't. And I

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think that the perpetration of the nine to eleven events

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was one of the ways that he gave the cops

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more busy work. And we're going to be hopping into

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that once we're done here. So the two thousand and

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one records a recording of conversations between him and Jack.

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I'm going to play or Dennis, of course, And so

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Dennis picks up the phone. He calls Jack's. Jack answers,

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and Dennis says, Hello, Jack, what is going on?

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Just sitting here thinking about how the hell I get

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to the Bitter Root Mountains?

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I know the feeling of not having a vehicle. Well,

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I was calling you because I wanted to talk to

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you about something, but I wanted to let you know

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that it would stay just between you and I.

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Well here I am.

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Well, I think I discovered something very interesting, and I

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think you know what I'm talking about, don't you?

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Yeah? I think I do.

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Jack. I will say this much. You have become the

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most interesting person I've ever met. I won't hold any

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of it against you. I'm probably the only one that understands.

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What are you going to do? Write a book that is.

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Exactly what I was thinking about doing.

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No, I haven't got anybody's throat. Lately, I got tired

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of doing it.

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I can understand that. Like I told you, if there's

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anybody that understands it, it's me. Everybody does things for

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their own reasons, and no one can say they are

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bad or past judgment until they have walked in their shoes.

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That's true. You try and cover things up, and then

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some smart ass comes along and wants to write a

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fucking book about you. Then you're in trouble again.

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That's why I was calling you. I wasn't just going

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to put a book out about you without talking to

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you about it.

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You don't want my name in it anywhere?

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Well, I can change your name. It isn't no big deal.

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Let me just ask you this straight out. Are you

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the fucking Zodiac killer? Or am I just imagining things?

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Well, let me see what time is it.

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Well, you don't have anything to worry about because there

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have been twenty five hundred suspects and if someone tried

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to say they knew who the Zodiac was, they would

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lock them up in a nuthouse. So it don't matter

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what is said because no one would fucking believe it. Anyway,

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if I wrote a book and I said I think

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my father is the Zodiac, no one would believe it.

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How would you put that I think in there? This

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is such a high profile case. Was on the television

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the other night and it was number one unsolved crime

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in history.

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I think I will do that if you take a

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run out. Yeah, Jack invites him out, Dennis, I think

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I will do that. I would like to come out

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and talk to you. I know who the fuck you are,

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and I would like to have a chance to talk

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to you about it. If I had known this before,

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we could have had some good, goddamn conversations. I would

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have never held any of it against you. Someone that

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can do what you did and get away with it,

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I have to give them a handshake.

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I don't real he is holding grudges. They don't buy

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you nothing, they don't feed nobody, not even the pigeons.

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I have to ask myself, was I really mad or

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was I mad at someone else? And looking back, I

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think I was stupid. I was.

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Knowing what I know now. I understand everything you did,

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and if you wouldn't have found out, if I wouldn't

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have found out who you were, I would have held

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a lot more against you, because you just did what

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you had to do.

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You have one score to settle, and that's with Darren.

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I'm waiting for him to get out of prison.

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Darren is a fucking idiot.

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He won't be when I get through with him. He'll

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be a good boy, all with his ass and a

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razor strap. If Charles hadn't stopped me that night, I

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would have had his head out on that concrete and

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beaten it to death.

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It would have been well deserved. Anyway, I think I

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will come out and talk to you, and you don't

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have nothing to worry about because the DNA on the

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envelope has all been contaminated, so there is no way

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they could ever prove it.

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I ain't worried about that.

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I look back at those boring old stories that I

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used to think we're boring, and right now they would

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be the most interesting thing in the world to me.

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I never listen like I should have. I think you

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are a very interesting person, and I know that no

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one knows who you are, and that is fine, but

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I do, and I want to have the chance to

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talk to you about it. I'm the one who figured

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out who you were, and I find it all very fascinating.

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To this day, people still go to the police and

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say they know who the zodiac is after thirty years.

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If you told me your life story, I would not

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publish it until you were gone, and sure make it interesting.

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I've been tempted to see how much I could write

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down and remember, but it couldn't be published until after

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my death.

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You know that my word is good. I will put

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whatever you want me to put into the book. I

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will write it just like you tell it. If you

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would do that for me, I would appreciate it, and

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it would be between you and me until that time.

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You are the only dad I ever knew, and I'm

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glad that you were my dad. And as far as

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I am concerned, I got raised by one of the

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most important people in history.

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I'm so goddamn smart. Why ain't I rich?

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That's what I can't figure out. Why ain't you rich?

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Hell? I ought to be rich. I left over when

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I was fourteen, But the time I was sixteen, i'd

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been in twenty eight different states. I remember once I

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had to jump off the top of a moving box

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dart into some grass, burghers and gravel.

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That sounds like it would have hurt. I know you've

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had a very interesting life, and I know a lot

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of it, but I didn't listen as close as I

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should have. If I come and talk to you now,

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those stories I used to think were boring would be

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the most fascinating thing in the world to me right now,

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Everything you tell me, I will never forget. I never

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in one million years thought that my boring old stepdad

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would become so interesting to me. I'm glad I was

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able to talk to you about this. I feel like

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about eight thousand pounds have been lifted off of me.

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I will get some money together and head that way

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in a couple days. Three days later, Dennis called Jack again.

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I was calling to let you know that I am

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still trying to scrounge up the money to drive down there.

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If you wanted to type your life story onto a

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disc and let Charles know where it is, that would

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be fine with me.

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I'd rather tell it to you. There's a lot of incidents,

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and I will teach you each. Tell you each incident.

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I can tell them easier that I can write them.

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This is a way we'll have to go.

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You missed a There are a lot of them I

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have forgotten. You missed okay, bad?

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There are a lot of them I've forgotten, but I

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recall them as I speak. I can tell them easier

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that I can write them. This is a way we

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will have to go.

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However, you feel the most comfortable. I understand that this

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is a situation that you just can't bring up to anyone.

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Well, the thing of it is, I can trust you,

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feel like I can so I feel I can tell

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you anything.

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If you wanted to just drop the whole thing, that

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would be all right. I just wanted to know for myself,

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and I'm satisfied.

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I will tell it to you, and you can take notes,

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and you can keep the notes and do what you

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want with them. Well, it depends on what you're going

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to do with them and when we're going to have

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to have some agreements on that. Absolutely, I think it

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would be a better book of fiction. I think it

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would go over better that way, and the laws would

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be broken, and it could be published at any time.

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There will be places you will want to put a

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little better out. There will be places you want to

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take a little salt off.

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We could make it fiction, but I don't think that

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there would be anything to worry about if it was nonfiction,

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because there's been too many people over the years that

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have come forth and said that they know who the

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fuck Zodiac Killer is. The police don't even want to

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hear another's theory about Zodiac's identity. They're tired of it.

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There has never been a case in history that has

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had so many suspects as well as people saying they

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know who the Zodiac is. I don't think you could

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walk in and turn yourself in even if you wanted to.

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They might lock you up in a mental hospital, but

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they would not believe you were Zodiac.

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Most of the things I'm recalling, they're really not interested

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in prosecution. They just assume it don't ever come up.

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But they know it exists, that it's law and they

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have to have a prosecution. These things I'm talking about,

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they would rather just stayed out of their sight because

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most of it is years ago.

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I guess it made them look so bad that they

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would rather just forget about it. I would, however, like

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to have something that I could prove whom you were

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after you were gone.

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After it's written his fiction, after it has written his fiction,

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and then after I'm gone, you can make it nonfiction.

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Most of the things I could not denied because they

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have no proof. I'm not too worried about it, but

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it's what the people I know would think. If it

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was a known fact. There was me.

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You could tell me how the codes work, that would

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be interesting.

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00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:21.960
We will discuss that some of the bean stuff happened

470
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:23.960
before I went into the Navy in forty six.

471
00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:27.400
You don't have to worry about freaking me out. Hell

472
00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:31.240
that's it doesn't bother me. I just call a population

473
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:34.440
I just call it population control. It isn't no different

474
00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:35.640
than when people go to war.

475
00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:40.799
There are one or two of the situations that was

476
00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:44.160
not my fault, but I was responsible. That's a funny

477
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:44.799
way to put it.

478
00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:48.039
I thought that being sent to Japan might have been

479
00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:49.279
one of the reasons for killing.

480
00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:53.519
I was killing before I went to Japan. When I

481
00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:55.200
was growing up as a young child, I was a

482
00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:58.000
loner and I was a hunter. Spent a lot of

483
00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:00.519
time by myself. I lived in caves. It was a

484
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:01.160
hell of alive.

485
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:04.839
Well, the main thing is you managed to stay free

486
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:11.039
this whole time. That much is true, all right. So

487
00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:14.480
some of the things that I'm taking from that conversation,

488
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:19.680
obviously the responses from Jack, as far as let me

489
00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:23.440
see what time it is, that's a very odd response,

490
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:26.559
And I say odd if you're not the zodiac, right,

491
00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:31.400
or you must be well versed in the zodiac's happenings

492
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:35.359
to even know that time was a projected idea or

493
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:38.680
theory about those cases. So for me that was kind

494
00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:42.240
of a home run hit. I guess if you will.

495
00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:44.759
I think there was more in a larger sense of

496
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:48.079
what time, as far as what time and history, what

497
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:50.559
time is life, how close that is?

498
00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:55.440
Things like that, Well, what time is, time is is

499
00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:59.799
a foundation of the Zodiac killings, the watches, the broke watches,

500
00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:03.640
the time set on the broken watches. So I just

501
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:09.440
now just another cryptic and not even so much cryptic.

502
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:12.680
It is the perfect answer without saying yes, I'm the Zodiac,

503
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:16.519
if somebody was going to answer with an affirmative mm hmm.

504
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:19.640
And then we see Dennis do the pullback, right, I

505
00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:22.039
don't have to do this if you don't want, and

506
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:27.200
he's like, oh no, no, no, no, no, hold on. This

507
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:29.720
is the kind of mentality that I would anticipate from

508
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.960
the Zodiac, not the Arthur Lee Allen dying with a

509
00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:35.880
typewritten letter in his hand stating I'm not the Zodiac.

510
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.240
I would have thought that if Arthur Lee Allen was

511
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:41.279
the Zodiac, if he was, and we know he's not.

512
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:44.559
If he was, he would have blasted all his events

513
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.640
in that letter and said, ha ha, I gotcha.

514
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:53.160
Yeah literally, I mean that you.

515
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:55.319
Didn't catch me and I lived out my life. Ah

516
00:26:55.640 --> 00:27:03.200
on you yep, the irony of that whole entire thing. Anyways,

517
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:05.720
Dennis then makes this trip up to visit Jack, and

518
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:08.160
when he gets there, he finds Jack holding a bottle

519
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:12.480
of Jack Daniels. Here it is, I'm already starting it

520
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:15.519
as if I know what my next side is. So

521
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:19.519
this phone call conversation preempted a visit to Jack and Washington,

522
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.240
I believe. Whereupon Dennis's arrival, he has met with a

523
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.319
bottle of Jack Daniels and a knife. Jack, after hearing

524
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.319
from Dennis that no one believed him that Jack was

525
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:29.480
the Zodiac, said he was glad he didn't have to

526
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:31.640
kill Dennis, and he gave him the whereabouts of the

527
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:35.119
evidence stored in the Arizona shed to help Dennis get

528
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.799
the attention of law enforcement. So we start to see

529
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.160
the things that are coming about that Dennis is starting

530
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.440
to drop off. We talked about this one, but here's

531
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:47.839
an actual insert excerpt sorry, of the turning over of

532
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:50.640
the eaton bond paper. The eaton bond paper was used

533
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.480
in the Zodiac crimes. It was many the paper that

534
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:57.720
many of the communications were written on. And it says

535
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:01.240
here that one set of the evidence given two pieces

536
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:05.359
two sheets of eaton bond paper turned in by a

537
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:10.200
reporting party, recovered by reporting party in a shed in Flagstaff, Arizona,

538
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:13.079
in April of two thousand and one. And that's the

539
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:18.039
beginning of Dennis piece mealing evidence out to different agencies

540
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:22.799
to see who is going to take this case seriously.

541
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.200
The shed in arizonas where most of the paperwork. I

542
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:28.720
have paper trailed and chronologically ordered Jack's life. And again

543
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.960
I cannot repeat this enough. The items that Jack capped

544
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:37.400
were very odd in the fact that he didn't keep everything.

545
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.319
He didn't keep every single foam bill, he didn't keep

546
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.680
every single piece of mail that was meant to him,

547
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:47.680
just certain and particular ones that literally, when linked together,

548
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.480
establishes his proximity to many of these crimes that we

549
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:56.599
talk about. It had the metal green ammal box with

550
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:58.880
the dried up pilot razor felt tip pen that we

551
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.880
turned over to the to the FBI. That pen could

552
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.160
have been tested against the ink on the letters had

553
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:08.240
any of them still been available to my knowledge, and

554
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:10.880
based on what Dennis has said, those letters have all

555
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:16.200
gone missing. But it's kind of odd because we see

556
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:19.319
Tom Voight flip from black and white copies from his

557
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:23.480
first website that he shuts down on AOL and hops over,

558
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.920
and he's got full blown color copies, full blown color

559
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:30.519
scans of these letters. Now, of course, we also discussed

560
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.640
the fact that he had them manipulated, so they widened

561
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:38.200
the pixel with both across and up and down to

562
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:40.400
make a five x seven letter look like an eight

563
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.200
and a half by eleven. So when you print it

564
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.839
out from his website, you're getting a much larger version

565
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.400
of the communication than was actually sent. And there's no

566
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.200
doubt in my mind that Tom Voyd knows that this

567
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.240
was a five x seven letter, no doubt. If he

568
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:58.000
says anything other than that, he's a complete liar. So

569
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:00.519
ask him now, why is he presenting the letters as

570
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.519
eight and a half by elevens. This is going to

571
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:08.400
bring me now to some graphology and graphology again. Like

572
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:12.400
I said, I had studied, I completed my courses, I

573
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.359
finally got my website, I for the Obvious dot com

574
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:17.599
up and running, and I took my first case about

575
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:20.079
two weeks ago in regards to a ten year old

576
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:23.160
boy's writing. He's now eleven, but he was ten at

577
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.599
the time. His father was concerned that he was being

578
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.680
manipulated and coerced into writing a letter that indicated that

579
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:30.839
the boy no longer wanted to talk to his father.

580
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:34.559
Once we completed the analyzation. And I say we because

581
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:38.519
I did my preliminary exam and results, and then I

582
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.119
studied it with my mentor and she added some things

583
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:43.559
to it, and it boiled down to her making a

584
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:47.359
claim that the little boy had a slight learning disability

585
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.599
or problems with his eyesight. The irony of this is

586
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:53.680
that I have no background on this little boy. And

587
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:55.759
when I called the father to discuss this with him,

588
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.799
it turned out that the boy did suffer from dysgraphia,

589
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.759
even though she didn't find because he's forming his letters, well,

590
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:04.079
it's the way he forms them that she found. The

591
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:08.279
slight learning disability he had alluded to there were medical

592
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:11.000
issues with the boy, but he takes medications for them,

593
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.359
so I could probably only assume it would be something

594
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:17.160
like ADHD or ADD or something like this. And then

595
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.839
he also included the fact that, yes, he has problems

596
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.559
with his eyesight, and that's one of the ongoing arguments

597
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.000
in the divorce is that he keeps trying to convince

598
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:26.839
his wife that his son needs to have his eyes

599
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.680
checked again and she refuses to do it. Well, here

600
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.359
we are in a graphology state, looking at his handwriting,

601
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:36.079
telling the father something he already knew, which was great

602
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.079
because he could then turn around and confirm that the

603
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:42.440
findings that we had were real. So that steps us

604
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.079
into the graphology reading. And I know this is kind

605
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.519
of off topic because this has nothing to do with

606
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:50.119
these cases, but I want to show you the strength

607
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.599
of this type of work. So this is in regards.

608
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.680
This is from Michelle Dresbold. She has done profiling for

609
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:01.359
the FBI and she has also she's a consultant for

610
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:06.799
the I believe Philadelphia PD or Pennsylvania it's a P word.

611
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.480
I didn't write it down, unfortunately, but she actually consults

612
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.640
for the police department in criminal matters. This one is

613
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.839
on the pizza bomber and it's a graphological profile completed

614
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:20.519
years before discovering the actual suspects and matched the culprit

615
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.359
to a t. Brian Wells was the robber that was

616
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.559
killed with the bomb caller, and he had these instructions

617
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:29.079
in the backseat of his car. There were nine pages

618
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:34.400
of this type of instruction. So from her reading that

619
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:36.839
she gave to the police, it said that he was

620
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:41.119
a hoarder. He was intelligent, he was frugal yet had money,

621
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:47.640
mechanically inclined, explosive personality, mental health issues, likes puzzles and games,

622
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:51.200
and not a good liar and would confess. Now the

623
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.599
players in this was William Rosstein. He was ultimately found

624
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.000
to be the author of this letter. He was very

625
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.000
much a hoarder, as if you've seen you can look

626
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.759
up the Pizza Barmber documentary and you will find that

627
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:06.079
everything that I just said one through eight absolutely one

628
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:11.599
hundred percent identifies William Rostein. Marjorie Deal Armstrong was the

629
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:15.319
ringleader of this entire thing. There was a Floyd Stockin

630
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:18.480
involved and Keith Barnes. He was actually hired to kill

631
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.039
Armstrong's father, so this is how it all started out.

632
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.039
She was supposed to have her father killed so she

633
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.720
could collect money because she wanted money. That failed, so

634
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:32.720
they devised this whole Pizza Barmber thing. And James Roden

635
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:36.599
was also Armstrong's boyfriend who was murdered by Armstrong and

636
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.519
then had Rostein put it in his freezer in his basement. Now,

637
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:43.200
when the police show up and finally figure out that

638
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:47.119
there's a possibility that because he's in the area where

639
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:50.119
something occurred that linked and they wanted to speak to him,

640
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:54.119
he started spilling things like, well, this has nothing to

641
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:57.839
do with Brian Wells. Nobody asked him that. And then

642
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.279
he basically told on himself and says, I've got a

643
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.000
body in the freezer, but I didn't kill it. I

644
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.000
just helped to hide it so that whole not a

645
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.359
good liar and would confess thing was true to a t.

646
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:13.079
The FBI, you guys told her nothing could be determined

647
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:18.280
from this handwriting because it was so manipulated it wasn't natural. Nope, sorry, guys,

648
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.039
Even if you're manipulating your handwriting, there are going to

649
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:24.840
be telltale signs of personality and behavioral issues in that

650
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:28.039
handwriting that we can discover. So even if it looks

651
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.800
that she said, when she saw this, it looked like

652
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:33.920
the instructions to a game. You know, how you pull

653
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.920
up the monopoly instructions. That's what this crossed your ass.

654
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:42.159
So very interesting take on it. That brings us to

655
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:46.400
her reading of the Anthrax letters. One of the some

656
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:50.800
of the questions that she in graphology, I think, or profiling,

657
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.000
I think it is the same as forensics. We give

658
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:55.599
ourselves theories and we see if those theories work out,

659
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.639
and if they do, then we try to confirm them

660
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:05.599
or or find them false. And either way, we're asking

661
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.039
ourselves a question, and we're trying to come up with

662
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:10.320
that answer. So some of the questions that she had

663
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.079
for this, and the note she has on here, it says,

664
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.360
this is next take penicilin now, death to America, death

665
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:21.239
to Israel. Interesting that this happens to be coming at

666
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:25.320
the same time that I'm being told that Israel likely

667
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:27.760
had something to do with the nine to eleven events

668
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:31.519
we're seeing us into war with Iraq. I was floored

669
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.400
that it felt, yeah, that it fell in time like that.

670
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:42.320
So it says, is this writer isolated, social, outgoing, shy

671
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.480
or attention sinking? Is writer male or female? Educated or

672
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.679
not educated? Military or not a military background? Bonus? Is

673
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.800
there a secret code embedded in the text? This all

674
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.320
screams Zodiac. Every single one of these questions, I mean,

675
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:01.119
obviously other than male or female screams Zodiac. We've all

676
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:04.840
questioned whether or not he was isolated, social, outgoing, shy,

677
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:08.199
attention seeking. I think attention seeking. That's where I felt

678
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:12.039
definitely male, because at that time there weren't a whole

679
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:16.119
lot of female serial killers out there. Educated, for sure,

680
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:20.480
but trying to pretend like he's not educated. Military has

681
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:24.400
always been a given, So yes, we believed military and

682
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:30.400
secret code. Yeah, secret codes. So this is her reading

683
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:32.480
on the Anthrax letters. And I did ask her to

684
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:34.519
appear on this. I don't know if she got shied

685
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.960
away from it. I don't know if somebody instructed her

686
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.280
not to, But she went from telling me she would

687
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.079
do this episode and do a reading on Jack's handwriting

688
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.840
to not responding to me at all, which is kind

689
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.800
of what I've found throughout my investigations and research in

690
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:50.760
this case. People get excited about wanting to be a part,

691
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.400
but then something stops them and they fail to ever

692
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:58.840
follow through. Yeah you've experienced that as well. Yeah, Or

693
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:00.760
they pop up, they give you some thing anonymous and

694
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.440
then leave you in the dust like you're supposed to

695
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:04.599
figure out what it means exactly.

696
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.239
That's the ones that I can't stand. I can't Oh.

697
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.079
Yeah, if you're gonna lay it down, lay it down

698
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:11.480
right before you leave.

699
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:13.440
Exactly.

700
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.960
I need you, I need it all. Now, a lot

701
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.239
of my handwriting was my handwriting results were done off

702
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:25.400
of the actual envelopes, and I will explain why. Obviously

703
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.320
there's a lot more attempt to manipulate the sky's the

704
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:33.039
handwriting in these small notes, but that the author didn't

705
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:35.960
do so well at doing that in the actual envelopes.

706
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.519
So this is what she found from the actual letter

707
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.480
one depression. You got to think about it. Right now.

708
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:46.840
Jack is suffering pretty bad from congestive heart failure. He

709
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:49.840
has just been figured out that he was the Zodiac,

710
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.239
and he is desperately not wanting his identity known. And

711
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:56.000
I'm sure even if he tells Dennis that he can

712
00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:00.000
trust him that, I don't think Jack trusts anybody. Yeah

713
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:04.280
says he's American, and she says two reasons. The date sequence,

714
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.440
the way it's formed would indicate that you were American.

715
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:11.800
And he spelled Israel correctly. That is also an intelligent thing,

716
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:16.320
because while he faked misspellings, he spelt Israel correctly, which

717
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:19.800
most people don't do. They almost always spell it is

718
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:25.199
s R E A L instead of a E L. So, yeah,

719
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:29.599
it's it's just a common it's phonetically right, he Israel

720
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:35.280
instead of saying that Israel is real, they just phonically misspelled.

721
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:40.880
It says that the person understands proper capitalization, they're good

722
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.480
at math, numbers or science. They use the calculus symbol

723
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:47.480
in their in one of their letters. They have mental

724
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:51.239
health issues or drugs. They're trying to keep it together,

725
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.679
but they're falling apart. Does not connect with others, will

726
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.920
be bold and get in your face, has a military background,

727
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:02.440
goal oriented and capable of following through. I just got goosebumps,

728
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:07.159
you guys, because I can't exclude Jack from any of

729
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:11.360
those personality traits. Yeah.

730
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.280
Well, he just displayed him in the in the in

731
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:17.440
the script with Dennis, he displayed all of them, all

732
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:17.800
of them.

733
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:22.800
Yeah yeah. And so there attempts these days for the

734
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:28.239
new generation to separate the idea of military with the

735
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.639
zodiac is as nine. There's just far too much information

736
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.960
that suggests that the individual was in the military, and

737
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:36.800
we know this to be true, so.

738
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:40.320
You can't deny it either.

739
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.320
As far as other cases go of other serial killers,

740
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.400
I mean, it's always a military background.

741
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:49.559
There's no way around it, and it and even.

742
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:53.719
Yeah not at all, not all.

743
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:55.199
I have a whole book.

744
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.119
If it's not the person that's killing, then it's it's

745
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.039
their father or their grandfather.

746
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.320
Gotcha. Okay, I was gonna say those females. I don't

747
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:07.400
think they were in the military, but there are some

748
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.320
serial killers out there that are female, all right. So

749
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.760
that brings us to the actual coded or embedded message. So,

750
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:18.360
according to the FBI a summary report, when they lifted

751
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:24.440
out just the bolded letters, investigators got TTT att TAT,

752
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.840
an apparent hidden message. The three letter groups are condons

753
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:34.320
codons sorry, meaning that each sequence of three nuclear nucleic

754
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:45.199
acids will code for a specific amino acid. TTT is fenaliaalanine,

755
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.559
I wish say, is single letter designator F. How about

756
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:56.360
that AAT is asparagine single letter designator N and TAT

757
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:01.360
is tyrazine, single letter designator on. So what is f

758
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:10.039
N Y from New York or following New York like

759
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:14.639
because New York where the planes hit, right, Yeah, I

760
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:21.599
don't know. Now that's odd because there was and this

761
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.039
is this is how Harriet got involved. So Harriet's father,

762
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.440
she believed was delivered a package. He used to be

763
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.159
a merchant marine and he lived in San Francisco and

764
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:32.880
she lived there, and he was delivered a package that

765
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:36.400
she suggests had some type of anthrax, and this was

766
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.400
in the nineties, so her she believes that her father

767
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:44.480
and her co worker were victims of this random package

768
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.800
mailing with the stuff in it that her father bled

769
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.079
out in the kitchen of their room. So basically like

770
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:53.320
everything turned a mush and just bled out, and her

771
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.280
dog was affected by whatever this powder was. When she

772
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:58.320
took him to the vet. They had to give them

773
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.199
give him some type of It starts with the sea

774
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:03.719
and I can't remember it now, but it was some

775
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:08.320
type of drug to counteract the anthrax. This was also

776
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:12.519
given to the military when this bio warfare stuff started,

777
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.480
so it's I don't know if it's necessary and a syllin,

778
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.400
but it is some type of drug. Oh, I wish

779
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:19.199
I could remember it.

780
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.239
Antibiotic name called cipro flaxen.

781
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:28.719
Yes, cipro, yeah, yes, cipro antibotic, Okay. So they they

782
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:33.920
prescribed and Harriet had the pictures of these medications that

783
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.679
her dog was prescribed. So why would you prescribe a

784
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:40.480
dog cipro. And this is following the onset of her father.

785
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:45.320
She believes being killed with this particular package and then

786
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:48.360
you and then the cipro was then given to military

787
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:53.000
anybody who might be subjected to the anthrax. This is

788
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:58.679
what they used to treat it. M Now, one of

789
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.960
the people that she leaves in the Anthrax series that

790
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:05.360
she looked at as far as handwriting concern or was

791
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.760
a suspect in the Anthrax letters was doctor Stephen Hatfill.

792
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.400
We all know how that worked out. He was not guilty.

793
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:13.800
He turned around and sued the US for damaging his

794
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:17.079
life and won millions. So we can take him off

795
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:20.599
the list. Oh here it is. Oh I love this, okay.

796
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:21.000
So.

797
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:25.320
Hatfield's lawyer, Tom Coliny Connolly, was featured in a CBS

798
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:28.760
News sixty minutes interview about the anthrax incidents on March eleven,

799
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.719
two thousand and seven. In the interview, Connolly revealed that

800
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:35.239
Hatfield faked his PhD degree. It's true. He has indeed

801
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.360
puffed on his root resume, absolutely forged a diploma. Yes,

802
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:42.239
that's true. He went on to state, listen, if pulling,

803
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.480
if puffing on your resume made you the anthrax killer.

804
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.920
Then half his talent should be suspects. The New York

805
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.519
Times stated that Hatfill had obtained an anti anthrax medicine

806
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:57.360
cipral flaxen, which is an antibiotic medication, immediately before the

807
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:01.559
anthrax mailings. Connolly explained for the attacks, he had surgery,

808
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.239
So yes, he's on cipro, But the fuller truth is,

809
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.639
in fact, he was on cipro because a doctor gave

810
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:09.400
it to him after his sinus surgery. Hat Phil has

811
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:13.599
previously said the antibiotics was for a lingering sinus infection.

812
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:18.199
Next person was Bruce Ivans, as we all know, and

813
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:20.599
there's a possibility that there was a greeting card in

814
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:24.199
two thousand and six mailed just before Jack passed away,

815
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:28.679
mailed to Bruce Ivans talking about don't you like the postmark?

816
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.880
Which was New Jersey, which was one of the places

817
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:34.480
where the anthrax was mailed out of. And he of

818
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:37.079
course is said to have these mental issues. They wanted

819
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.320
to lay it all on him. He knew that he

820
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.159
was under investigation, and we see what this country will

821
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:44.920
do to people. If they want to put you down,

822
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.440
they will put you down. And he took his own life,

823
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:50.760
So I don't necessarily believe, and I've not seen his

824
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.480
handwriting to tell the difference, but I do not believe

825
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:55.599
that Bruce Ivins was anything more than a patsy.

826
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:57.440
Yeah.

827
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.679
Yeah, there's been investigations with PBS and the Saconmento b

828
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:04.079
It basically cleared Ivans.

829
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.320
Well. When I want to say that, it was roughly

830
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:11.079
before I decided to take a break from this entire presentation,

831
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.920
we'd received a message from Chris Hopkins stating that they

832
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.639
were going to close the Zodiac case on Jack Terrence.

833
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:21.239
We were patiently waiting. About a week later, there was

834
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.559
a press release in which case the FBI came out

835
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.079
and said that Bruce Ivans was in fact the Anthrax

836
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:29.639
mailer and that they were closing the case. I lost

837
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.039
my business.

838
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:33.239
Course, they blamed it on the dead guy. That's what

839
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:36.039
that's like, one of their tricks.

840
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:39.880
It's their go to. I knew I had already done

841
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:42.400
the Anthrax letters, and I already knew that they were

842
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:44.960
written by the Zodiac killer, which Bruce Ivans could not

843
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:48.039
possibly have been. So here I'm losing my stuff. But

844
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:50.880
a week later to the date, on February twenty six,

845
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:53.840
the Congress came out and did a press release that

846
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.960
lasted about twenty seconds long, and they said, we are

847
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:01.079
not closing this case on Bruce Ivans. Doesn't match, the

848
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:05.079
handwriting doesn't match, you have no evidence to support this,

849
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:10.519
and they shut FBI down from closing this case. Best

850
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.920
thing the Congress has ever done. I then proceeded to

851
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.559
email my results of the handwriting to more than forty

852
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:21.320
people on the Americathrax Committee. Some went through, some did not,

853
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:24.079
but I did my best. I did not receive one

854
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:30.360
single response, I believe it. And that brings us to

855
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:33.039
the nine to eleven Anthrax letters. So I think before

856
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.039
we climb into these, because we just have a couple

857
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.679
minutes left, this would be a great place to segue,

858
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:41.679
stop and talk about anything that is on your guys's

859
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:43.159
minds for the next couple minutes.

860
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.400
Well, you mentioned in the beginning the.

861
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:52.920
Zionist Christians, and that is what's taking over Charlie Kirk's

862
00:46:53.199 --> 00:47:00.440
and the whole organization with the TPSA faith and Erica

863
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:05.400
Kirk is implementing into high schools now different chapters of

864
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:10.840
this ideology. And it's just sickening and it needs to stop.

865
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:14.480
And you know, it's nothing that Charlie specifically said that

866
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:16.719
I can find a video of him stating that that's

867
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.639
what he wanted, and she's always saying, oh, well, this

868
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.920
is what he wanted, you know, blah blah blah.

869
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:27.559
And believe she wants us to believe that we should

870
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.719
all fear the coming of the end of the world.

871
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.719
I don't know what she's implementing in the in the

872
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:37.679
children's heads, but I mean, they're they're getting their information.

873
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:41.159
They're they're giving them forms to fill out that literally

874
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:43.960
have all the hip of information on it that they are.

875
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:48.719
You know, when they attend any event, they take all

876
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:51.119
of this. It's like a long form. Like you it

877
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:52.880
looks like a form that you would fill out your

878
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:53.800
doctor's office.

879
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.199
That's ridiculous and that's against the law. We have laws.

880
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.400
To them and they sign it then I mean technically,

881
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:03.880
I guess that's how they're getting away with it legally.

882
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:06.760
Oh yeah, that is scary.

883
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.400
If they're public, if they're infiltrating public schools, that's almost

884
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:11.880
the violation of church and state.

885
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.920
Yeah, well, the school is accepting it, and the state

886
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:20.320
is accepting them. So the first date that just just

887
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.280
accepted them and then turned around and decided not to

888
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:28.840
do it was Kentucky church audience were college students, right,

889
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:33.199
he wasn't talking about exactly, But now she's implementing it

890
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:34.400
in high schools.

891
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:35.679
Wow.

892
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:37.880
Well, if there is a coming to the end of

893
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.920
this world, it is not simply because God is coming

894
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:43.320
back to take the world back. It is because the

895
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:48.000
vampires of death and destruction intend on ruling, controlling, taking

896
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.599
and over and destroying anybody who they can't. That's it.

897
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:55.760
Well, and she's evil. I mean, I don't know.

898
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:58.719
Like I said, they're coming after the children, and we

899
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:01.199
have to stand up for them because no one else.

900
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:01.679
Is going to do it.

901
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:04.320
You know, if it takes two hundred and fifty thousand

902
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:06.960
signatures to put something on the ballot, then why can't

903
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:11.679
we start running some type of propaganda that allows us

904
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.679
to get the signatures that are required to stop this

905
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.719
foreign funding, to stop protecting anybody who has committed genocide.

906
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.280
One of the things that we spoke about this last

907
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:26.639
week was the United Nations Israel has never been sanctioned,

908
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:31.519
not once, for anything that they have done, committing genocide, cruelty,

909
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:35.719
blowing up children. Why are the people in the UN

910
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:39.079
also affected by Epstein? Files. So you've got to ask

911
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.280
that bigger question, why is it that these people are

912
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:46.079
getting this preferential treatment when they've shown nothing but dastardly

913
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:48.440
behavior towards American and the human race.

914
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:55.239
Yep, to the Islamic and Arab worlds.

915
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.079
Oh gosh, you guys. That puts us at the end.

916
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:00.679
We will pick this up next week, will come back.

917
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.639
I thank you for your thoughts. Everybody, have a wonderful weekend.

918
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:06.119
Stay safe out there, and as I was told to

919
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:06.719
be careful

920
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:12.480
Yep, we will peace you guys, all right, see ya