March 28, 2025

Where’s Jack During New Murders?

Where’s Jack During New Murders?

Jack and Nora split up and Jack has gone back to Texas. Murders in Texas ramp up and California is void of murders until Jack returns. Then Jack is implicated in an assault against his own family and is arrested for assault and attempted murder with a...

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Jack and Nora split up and Jack has gone back to Texas. Murders in Texas ramp up and California is void of murders until Jack returns. Then Jack is implicated in an assault against his own family and is arrested for assault and attempted murder with a deadly weapon. Somehow Jack still manages to pull off a contract security position with Hewlett Packard while on probation.

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today, Nolan del

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Campo morning everybody, Good morning, and Harriet Souchet.

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And I'll say good morning everybody too.

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It's so good to hear from you. Every day is

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a blessing. I tell you what, Harriet, after what you've

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been through. Oh my goodness.

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Oh yeah, I'm one handed again, so my right hand

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is done and I be staying in it. Anyways, Literally

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continue with the show because it's still a great week.

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Yeah, okay, well, I guess we could just climb right

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on into it. I actually had some interesting news I

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wanted to share first. I just found out that a

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girlfriend of mine who was facing a liver transplant had

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a MELD score of forty, which if you don't know

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what a meld score is, it relates to your liver toxicity,

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its ability to filter toxins and poisons out of your body.

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And basically she had nearly died. Basically in my mind

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seeing her, I thought without a liver transplant, she was

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going to pass away. But I have followed the path

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in the line of healthy food and eating food that

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eats what it's supposed to eat, not what we farm

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feed it pasture, raised grassbed all organic, natural, you know,

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the best sources of food that you could possibly have.

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And my girlfriend finally took the concept within the last

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couple months and decided to strictly eat the Doctor Gundry

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plant Paradox diet, in which case her MELD score had

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come from forty down to twenty two. Now healthy livers

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are seven and below, so she's still about fifteen points

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away from being back in a healthy state. But here's

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to livers being able to heal and kidneys being able

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to heal as long as you're providing your body with

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the right food source. So I like to promote Doctor

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Gundry as much as I possibly can in efforts to show,

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you know, America as a whole, that majority of the

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food that's on our store shelves are really causing us

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the issues, the medical headaches, and all of the diseases

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and disorders that we're facing. So that's the first miracle

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I've seen come from doctor Gundry's book. So I really

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just wanted to kind of share that with people. She's

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actually afraid now they're going to take her off the

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transplant list because her numbers are so low, But to me,

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that seems like a good thing, not to have to

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suffer a surgery on top of you know, getting well,

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because that could also set her back as well. I mean,

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going under the knife, that's a stress on the body,

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the medications that's going to take for her body to

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adapt to a strange liver, all of the things that

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could cause complications in the long run as well. When

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if she can simply heal her body through the natural

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act of eating food that is good for your body

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is probably the best way to do anything. Anyways. Yay,

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doctor Gundry.

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It's a great story.

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It is. I also excited. What's that If it.

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Works, If it works, as the saying goes, if it

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ain't broke, don't fix it so well.

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The problem is is she and I've been telling her

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for quite some time, so she's had liver issues for

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over a year and a half. They diagnosed it as

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Gilbert's syndrome. My daughter has the same thing. Her children

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have been diagnosed with it because she has it and

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her husband has it. The kids are now carriers of it,

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which means that their their livers do not process. So

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I started to wonder whether or not that that diagnosis

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was just something that they've used to label an issue

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which is really food related, versus figuring out what it is.

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Let's just throw some drugs at it. We know Western

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medicine is great for that. So I was I'm interested

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in seeing this actively work on somebody, because everybody wants

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to fight me on it. I don't have the money

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for that kind of food. Well, you don't really have

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the money for anything else. If you're not alive and

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well enough to do anything with it, right, you don't

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have the stay alive.

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First, I was gonna, oh, April first, No, I'm sorry. Yeah.

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If you I think the argument is, if you think

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you can't try to scramble to afford if that's the

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case for her or anybody in that position if you

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can't scramble to afford the foods. Just think what let's

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happened with a liver transplant, and you know your assurance

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doesn't pay for all of it. You're trying to scramble

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to pay for all that.

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So exactly, Yeah, medical costs seem to be we pay

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more in medical costs than we pay for our food

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in the United States, whereas in China they pay more

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for their food than they do for their medical costs.

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So that's kind of living proof right there that based

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on what you're collectively eating and putting into your body

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really determines how much time you're going to spend in

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the hospital or being affected by diseases and disorders that

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are going to cost you that kind of money. So

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we're just att Yes, they do, Yes, they do. I

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was really kind of like they're trying to stop the

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advertisements of Big Pharma on TV. Have you guys heard

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about that?

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Yeah, yeah, we get pre cable where I'm at, and

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every other commercials, well, we're not going to name the products.

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Right you know, that's what's even scarier, Like, try to

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sell that to me because diarrhea is like the number

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one reason I'm not going to take something, And then

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if you tell me that that's a potential symptom, it's like,

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I am not going to take it. Yeah. Well, all

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of that is your immune system that is very agitated

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and upset. So that's why I say, if I see

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that it's going to cause me diarrhea, I'm wrecking my

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immune system by putting that into my system. So no,

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thank you, I'll leave it alone. All right, back to

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our little our presentation here, we're hopping back into it

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looks like August twenty first of nineteen eighty one, Alton

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Francis Hannis on a Highway fifty nine, one tenth one

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tenth of a mile north of Roman Forest, New Caney,

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Texas is our first murder back Orange. It says that

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involved was an Orange nineteen seventy nine truck parked on

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the northbound shoulder of Highway fifty nine with a Chevrolet

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possible brand, dark colored truck with a small camper shell

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parked in front of it. The body of a mail

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was observed lying on the roadway next to the Orange

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truck as the truck with the camper shell drove away.

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Now we know that Jack drove a blue truck with

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a camper shell in circa seventy five seventy six. I

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don't know how long he had that particular truck, but

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interesting that they are commenting on a dark colored truck

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with a small camper shell. It shows that the individual

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was shot multiple times during what appeared to be a robbery.

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I don't know why I equated this to a longtime

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Jack method, other than the fact that Dennis believed that

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Jack was robbing victims and taking their jewelry or so

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forth to Nevada selling it or melting it down and

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selling it. Is that your recollection, Harriet?

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Yeah, I believe that was a few of his stories.

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When he would talk about the Zodiac, you know, when

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he lived in Lower Lake, so that was at his

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at his timing, he would saying, I'm only going to

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do the deal with the cases when I decided to

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talk about it, which was often.

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Gotcha, were incidental to the killing, right.

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And a lot of times he would do things to

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make it make it look like a robbery.

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Well, a lot of yeah, go ahead, no, no, go ahead.

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Yeah, just like he would take things from one crime

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scene and leave him at the next crime scene as

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links to show the trail, you know, just to mess

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with the cops and whatnot.

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Right, And it depends on what series of crimes we're

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looking at, because when we go all the way far,

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you know, far back as Black Dahlia, we saw that

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that robbery wasn't the motive. You know, there was money

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laying around that wasn't taken. There was valuables in the

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premises that weren't taken. That they attempted to make it

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look more like it was a sexual attack versus a robbery.

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But we have seen other crime spreens like the Santa

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Rosa hitchhiker murders where jewelry was taken and items were taken,

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like Nolan mentioned that was planted at the next crime

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scene and so on kind of rotated through and the

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Zodiac talked about leaving his clues. So we go on

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to show here that it is possible that Jack and

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Norris split at the end of nineteen eighty one. I

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know that Dennis actually states that it's nineteen eighty two

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that Jack went back to Texas while Dennis and Charles,

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who was fourteen years of age at the time, moved

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into an apartment in Fair Oaks, and Dennis's younger sisters

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went to live with their father in Michigan. So now

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we've got, you know, the girls going back to Michigan,

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and Nora is back in California and Jack is in

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Texas in nineteen eighty two. So I'm kind of playing

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around with this thought or idea that we're starting to

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see murders in Texas. And while I know that Dennis's

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recollection is pretty close in lots of areas, just not

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necessarily hitting on the precise time in which Jack and

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Nora split up, because again, he's still young, he's not

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paying attention, and he's probably going off of, you know,

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key things like when he had explained to me that

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Jack was with him during Christmas of nineteen ninety six

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when John Benny Ramsy was killed, and we found out

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that Jack had literally left the family in California when

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they were vacationing. He took off and left them there

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and was gone for more than thirty days. That was

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not something that Dennis remembered, but what he queued in

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on and what he remembered was that it was during

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the holidays, and that meant that Jack couldn't have been

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part of what was going on because he knew that

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Jack was with them, and then we subsequently found out

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through Nora's diary that Jack had left for over a month.

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So there I do give some leeway for that time.

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And the other side of that too is that it's

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it's common for Jack to actually go back to Texas

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to this at his mother during summertimes and holidays and

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things of that notion. So August twenty first of nineteen

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eighty one, I would still state that there is a

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possibility that Jack could be responsible for this particular murder,

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but we now know that he's going to end up

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shortly back in Texas. We did have another Florence, Italy

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couple's murder on October twenty third of nineteen eighty one,

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Baldi and Camby. It says so Stefano Baldi and Susanna

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Camby on twenty third of October nineteen eighty one, workman

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Stefano Baldi, twenty six years of age and telephone as

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Susanna Camby twenty four, who were engaged, were shot and

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stabbed in a park in the vicinity of Calanzano. Camby's

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public area was cut out. Oh that got interesting. All

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of a sudden, so the female's cubic area was cut

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out like Denuccio's. An anonymous caller phoned Camby's mother the

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morning of the murder to talk to her about her daughter.

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A few days before the murder, Susannah had told her

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mother that somebody was tormenting her and even chasing her

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by car. All right, well, yeah, well that just led

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me right back to Black Dahlia, Which is interesting that

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I decided, I you know, would even delve back into

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that particular statement as we climbed into this today. But

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kinding of the pubic area is basically what we saw

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with Black Dahlia.

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And Black Dahlia didn't occur in a vacuum. There were

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several other young women killed that around the same time.

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And back to the relation back theory, a lot of

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the locations were the murders took place and the names

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of the victims related back to certain things that happened

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with the Chicago murders. Are the lipstick Is that what

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they were called the Lipstick murders?

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Correct? Correct, Yes, there's a.

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Lot of leaks between the murders around the Black Dahlia

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era and the ones that occurred just prior to that in.

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Chicago, and I didn't actually read obviously this this and

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this is the first time we've seen several of these

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Florence Italy murders, couple's murders. Now they're saying like Denuccio's.

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So I'm gonna have to go back and look at

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Denuccio because I don't recall seeing that the pubic area

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was cut. So this is new information for me, but

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it does throw it right back into the realm of

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these types of individuals that are are doing this to people.

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I mean, I don't understand the need for cutting the

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pubic area, but also to say that they were shot

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and stabbed seems like overkill. Honestly, yes, or people not

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just been one person, right.

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I was gonna say, And Robert Graysmith has a book

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on this a lot like Jack Jack the Ripper. Jack

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Ripper seems to be the first sensational murderer all kinds.

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And I was like, oh, yeah, that's right that Graysmith

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came out with a book, but he would that's something

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that the Ripper would do. And then you got the

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Venuccio and you've got you know, so I'm interested to

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find out what could be the real reasons why these

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people meant the demise. It always has a political thing,

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right right.

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Well, and they look like they're definitely well to do.

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I'm looking at this picture of her here in her

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fur coat and he's wearing a suit jacket. I mean,

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these obviously aren't your lower levels of society if they're

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dressed like this and having photographs taken, because that was

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something that you had money to be able to do

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or have.

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Yeah, they look out for their youth, you know, people

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that there usually built. That's the right.

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Yeah, that's my thought, all right. So on November twenty

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eighth of nineteen eighty one, Joan Webster in Boston, Massachusetts,

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I wrote that I wanted to research this because we

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had let's see slide seven fifty five fifty megahertz screech Cambridge, Massachusetts,

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letters Cipher, Massachusetts. Do you know about Joan Webster in Boston, Massachusetts.

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I think I just did that one. No, that's anyways,

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Oh my god, the one who ended up disappearing after

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flying home for the holidays for November. Is it November

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nineteen eighty one ish?

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Yes, November twenty eighth of nineteen eighty one, And I

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don't have any information on her. So I got blendy.

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I just did that one about a month or so ago,

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I think before I got in here, Yeah, or at

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the same time. Anyways, that ended up being that Jack

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and his crew apparently knew that one, and it's Robert

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Abel and the description of the man with the beard

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exactly Rubbert Abel one. It was very troubled, and yeah,

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very very troubled. She was a Joni Mitchell fan who

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was the arch enemy according to what I've read of

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Oh my God, Janice Joplin. So it's like a really

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weird reason that he went after her. But Jack, I

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think Jack was the taxi driver that was trying to

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get this woman not to get into the car with

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the man who fits the description of Robert Abel.

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Oh, so it sounds like you have in on this

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particular murder. Oh where was she?

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Like, she was coming home and she's from the New

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Jersey area. It's in the Santa Clo Santa Claus card information.

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I declarded all of that, And so she was to

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go home and then go then go back up to

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Harvard and she meets some guy that they possibly knew,

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which was because her family was in the aerospace, telephone business,

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really addressing, and one of the family members is linked

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to giving money to the re election campaign for Nixon.

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So there's a lot of information on them.

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But you want to come back and revisit that, I'll

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have to figure out what it is.

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Yeah, definitely, I put it.

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I couldn't figure out why, and I didn't really know

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what I was looking for. And to me, like I

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was looking for you.

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He's connected. He's definitely connected. Jack has plenty of information

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on that and put that through in that Santa Claus card.

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And you mean the Santa Claus card, which one is that.

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It's something that is circa nineteen eighty one eighty Jewish

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and it's called the Santa Claus card that went into

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an envelope with the zillion stamps on it. And I said,

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I know this system and you can find it on

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one of our competitor's website, Zodiac.

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All right, well, I will heat you up about it again.

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If you have it and you want to send it

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to me afterwards, then we can revisit her. This is

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taking us back. On December twenty first of nineteen eighty one,

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thirty five year old Kenneth Wayne Coogler, East Ham and Drive, Porter, Texas,

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shot multiple times with a twenty two caliber weapon. Questioned

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us to the number of suspects. Nineteen eighty three. Cooglar's

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wallet was found near the Peach Creek Bridge on Highway

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fifty nine in New Caney, Texas. I wrote tie together

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New Caney and Peach Tree was the most recent address

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used in a communication from the last crime spree in Atlanta, Georgia.

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So it feels like New Caney.

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We just.

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Oh, New Caney Allton Francis Henis Highway fifty nine one

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tenth mile north of Roman Forest, New Caney, Texas. So

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we've got we've got something that's crossed referencing each other

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here that where one victim was killed. The wallet is

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now found on Peach Creek Bridge on a Highway fifty

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nine in New Caney, Texas. So very very interesting. So

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we're going from Porter, Texas to New Caney, Texas. But

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it seems to be a crossover. And this is why

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I say, I think Jack was already separated from Nora

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at this point and likely back in Texas. And this

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is why we see these murders beginning in Texas. Let's

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see communication Lass crime Spring December twenty sixth and nineteen

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eighty one, forty year old Harold Brantley Vic inside Summer

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Hill Subs subdivision, two miles west of Sordis Road in Porter, Texas.

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So now we've got two miles west of Porter, Texas.

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Basically December twenty fourth, witnesses seen Vic in the Porter

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lounge most of the day subdivision was under construction. I

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wanted to research who the subdivision was under construction by,

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because you know, they used to watch all these mob movies,

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and these people who were building buildings and subdivisions and

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stuff like that were notorious for burying their murders in

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the locations that they were going to build something and

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then just pouring cement over the top of them. Is

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that your recollectionable?

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Right?

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So it made me think to myself, like, all right,

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who's you know running the subdivision that's under construction? It

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says Lie beside his blue nineteen seventy one Ford truck

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on the ground. Truck had a tire stuck in the sand.

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He had been beaten, bludgeoned to death with a large

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tree limb recovered nearby, Right, and so this all seems

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to be I mean these are probably people we should

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be looking at as far as who they are, who

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they may have been connected to what they were doing,

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because it seems awfully strange that all of a sudden,

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we've got all of these murders popping up within miles

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of each other in the same location. On January eighth

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of nineteen eighty two, fifty four year old Robert and

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thirty eight year old Janet gied home twenty five huntsman

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horned the Woodlands, Texas. Robert was shot upon entry and

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wife chased to the second story deck and shot. Business

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dealings with several people had failed, again, something I think

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that needed to be researched, because if you had business

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dealings with several people that have failed, you likely were

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in with the mob and they wanted your debt if

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you can't pay them back, right.

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Yeah, they always wanted their two percent or more?

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Was that all they asked for? I felt like it

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was like fifty percent.

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Well that's what I'm saying, two percent or more so

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two percent and then maybe your daughter or the house

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or you know. I mean it was I think it

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still happens today. They just don't talk about it. It's

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pretty unscrupulous.

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Right. Well, in March sixteenth of nineteen eighty two, we

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have a Laine Goss that's murdered in a Myreland home,

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second wife in Texas. So Goss is the second wife

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to have been shot. First wife Goss loses in the

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same home, in the Myreland home. So did you have

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anything on a Lane Goss?

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No? No, but I got plenty on the Texas like

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forty five color victims. And we can just keep going.

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But you're bringing up some victims that need to be

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looked into for me.

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So yeah, yeah, evidently all in the Texas area when

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we know Jack or at least Dennis has already indicated

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that Jack has left or Nora has left Jack, and

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Jack has gone back to Texas. Now, of course we

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can see pictures of Jack here in Texas with his

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sister and with his mother. The actual date on the

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back of this then when it was printed, was April

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of eighty two, so that we know that at least

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by this point in time, by April of eighty two,

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or previous to April of eighty two, because who knows

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when he actively, you know, had the film produced. He

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is seeing here and it looks like I want to say, Uh,

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I can't even really tell by the trees whether or

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not it looks like we're in springtime versus another time.

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But again, I mean, some people could sit on film

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for forever before having it actually produced. So either way,

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we do see him here in Texas. It says April

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eleventh and nineteen eighty two Jack is in Texas with Flova.

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Is seen with d also so de is the sister,

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and confirms Stephen Deuhurst's reporting of Jack leading Nora and

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returning to Texas to live with his mom. Now, I

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find it hard to believe that Jack left Nora, although

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I mean, don't get me wrong, this man would pick

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up and walk off and be gone for weeks at

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a time without saying a word, but typically speaking, it

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seems to me that Nora is the one that's leaving

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Jack for whatever reason, and probably because he picks up

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and walks off for weeks at a time without saying

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a word. Who knows what's.

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Really Jack in the middle of June.

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Yeah, yeah, that's him in a suit. Well no, he

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cleans up nasally right, hey, trying to see if I

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could see him. No, it doesn't seem we're in a

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gun or anything like that. But yeah, he definitely, he

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definitely is in Texas, based on all of the information

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given by family members and of course now by pictures itself.

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So April twelfth of nineteen eighty two, James Alvin Gory

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nine thousand, block of I forty five at to Mina Road, Conrod, Texas.

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It's a drive by shooting while the victim was at

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the place of employment. I don't have much more information

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on him than that. June nineteenth of nineteen eighty two,

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Antonella Migliori Migliorini and Paolo Minarti, Florence, Italy another set

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of couple's murders. On nineteenth of June nineteen eighty two,

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mechanic pa Minardi twenty two and dressmaker Atonella Migliorini twenty

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were shot to death just after having sex and Maynard's

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car on a provincial road in Montespertoli. Well I'm getting

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a tone work out today. This time, the killer did

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not have the time to mutilate the female victim as

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the road was relatively busy. Several passing motorists had seen

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the car parked at the side of the road after

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its interior light had turned on. Minarti was still alive

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when found, but died some hours later in the hospital

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due to serious injuries. Minarti is believed to have heard

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or seen the killer approaching and attempted to drive away,

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only to lose control of his car and drive into

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a ditch on the other side of the road. Another

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reconstruction of the events suggests that after shooting the couple,

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the killer drove Minardi's car for a few meters to

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hide the vehicle and the bodies in a woodland area nearby,

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only to lose control of the car and abandoned it

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in the ditch where it was discovered by motorists only

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a few minutes later. That would be interesting if the

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killer not only shot them, but then tried to hop

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in their car, drive it away, and then has to

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what make it back to his vehicle or wherever it

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is that he is. Yeah, maybe the first story was

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true that Minardi tried to escape being shot while he

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was being attacked and drove off in Yeah. Yeah. July

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first of nineteen eighty two, twenty two year old Tamra

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Ellen McCurry disappeared in Galveston, last seen getting into a

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yellow orange Van So again, I want everybody to remember

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that we're now literally almost through an entire year. So

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we're in July of nineteen eighty two. We saw the

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murders pick up in October November of eighty one. We

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have reports that Jack is not in California anymore, that

462
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:02.839
he is in Texas. We're not seeing any murders in California.

463
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.880
We're just seeing murders in Texas at this point where

464
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:11.400
Jack is purportedly known to be August seventeenth and nineteen

465
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.160
eighty two Heirst Friedman car bombing. So the Atlanta attorney

466
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:20.119
I wanted to research this is an Atlanta attorney. He's

467
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.960
a casino owner in South Lake Tahoe. It says several

468
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:28.200
agencies joining to probe Friedman blast. So I have quite

469
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:29.759
the article here on.

470
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:31.960
This.

471
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.680
It says a task for some investigators from the Georgia

472
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:38.200
Bureau of Investigation, the Fulton County Police Department, and possibly

473
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.640
from several other agencies will be formed to probe the

474
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:46.279
car bombing that seriously injured Atlanta lawyer Heirst Friedman, according

475
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:50.079
to GBI and Fulton Police Office officials. Okay, so I

476
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.279
guess what I was coming about here, is this car

477
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:57.000
bombing thing that has occurred, just like the casino owner

478
00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:03.400
in South Lake Tahoe. Again, probably another mob related type bombing,

479
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:08.240
says GBI Director Phil Peters said. The task force, expected

480
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:12.160
to include about ten investigators, is still being organized, but

481
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:17.440
may involve personal personnel from the Atlanta Police Bureau, the

482
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:21.039
Fulton County District Attorney's Office, and the Federal Bureau of Alcohol,

483
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.920
Tobacco and Firearms. So the reason why I brought this

484
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.519
one up is because not that I thought Jack might

485
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:30.200
have been involved with it, but this was a relation

486
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.759
to what was going on in Atlanta, Georgia with all

487
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.480
of the parents of the victims of the Atlanta, Georgia

488
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:38.640
child killer cases. So I wanted to throw in with

489
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.240
that one of the notices that came from one of

490
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.720
the family members of these children that were killed, and

491
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.920
it says it continues to stagger the imagination of how

492
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.960
poor blacks can be denied their civil rights almost twenty

493
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:54.559
years after the passage of a law that guarantees it

494
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.960
for them. Hirst Friedman is truly blessed because the same

495
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.759
Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four that was designed

496
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:05.160
to protect the civil rights of all Americans, regardless of race, color, religion,

497
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:09.599
or national origin. Is the very same vehicle by which

498
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:14.599
you exercised authority to officially enter his investigation. Mister Reynolds,

499
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.160
we seek the same equal protection under the law and

500
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.319
trust that you will move with the same speed. And

501
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:21.680
responding to Mike call to give relief to the parents

502
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:26.240
of Atlanta's missing and murdered children, so bait there basically

503
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:33.079
saying one white attorney receives more dedication from law enforcement

504
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:36.079
and trying to determine who killed them than twenty six

505
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:42.599
black children from the same area. It sounds, Yeah, that's

506
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.759
pretty much one of the most disgusting things I think

507
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:50.200
I've ever had to read aloud. So September of nineteen

508
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:53.920
eighty two, we have out of Dennis Kaufman's book, My

509
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.960
two younger sisters, Geneva and Mary come back from Michigan.

510
00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:59.759
The apartment that we were living in was so small,

511
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.079
too small for all of us, so we rented a

512
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:05.720
three bedroom house in North Highlands. November of nineteen eighty two,

513
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.440
it says Jack comes back from Texas and moves back

514
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:11.559
in January of nineteen eighty three. Jack gets a job

515
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:13.839
as a security guard. He would be placed at a

516
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:20.160
big computer plant, Hewlett Packard in Roseville, California. That is

517
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.920
extremely interesting because we see, let's see if I can

518
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:27.799
tell how many more? Ah, yes, we have one last.

519
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:32.759
So he says that in November. Let mean quote this correctly.

520
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.400
November of nineteen eighty two is when Jack comes back

521
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:39.880
from Texas. The last murder in this series in nineteen

522
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:43.000
eighty two in Texas is October second of nineteen eighty two.

523
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:48.799
Gloria and Stefan Alford Road, Magnolia, Texas, and was found

524
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.599
in a gravel pit, strangled with a ligature and stabbed

525
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.079
to death. Last seen at a convenience store in the

526
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.279
thirteen thousand block of North Shore in Houston, Texas. Her

527
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.160
nineteen seventy five light blue place the station wagon was

528
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:04.039
found on October third, nineteen eighty two, along Highway to

529
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:09.000
ninety in Curville, Texas. Now, let me remind everybody what

530
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:15.880
type of cross connections this particularly has if we go

531
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:17.640
all the way back as far as Black Dahll. Yeah,

532
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.240
we had what they called the Magnolia murders. This is

533
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:23.160
happening in Magnolia, Texas. Whether or not that was meant

534
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:25.160
to be some type of a cross connection or not.

535
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.640
The gravel pit is definitely something that we have seen

536
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:32.240
in many of the murders that are I mean, when

537
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:36.279
I think about gravel pits, I think about again mob

538
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.480
a place to bury a body, many of the murders,

539
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:44.680
and drop points for lots of victims. It says that

540
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.519
it was she was last seen at a convenience store.

541
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:51.480
We know that Laura Miller, Tim Miller's daughter, was also

542
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.839
taken from a convenience store. Again, this is out of

543
00:33:54.880 --> 00:34:00.000
the Houston area in Texas, and this vehicle being moved

544
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.359
moved to two ninety Highway to ninety in Kerrville, Texas

545
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.119
is something very similar to lots of the murders that

546
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:10.360
we saw in the Black Dahlia Realm and many more

547
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.519
where the SUSA we went all the way back to

548
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.039
Texarkana Phantom murders, we'd see the same thing. The killer

549
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.239
had actually taken the vehicle and moved it to another

550
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.599
location a few miles away, which means he had to

551
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.880
ultimately find his way back to wherever his first starting

552
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:29.239
point was as well. But to take note that October

553
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.519
second is where we see that stop and then we

554
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.440
hear from Dennis that October of nineteen eighty two, Nora

555
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:38.039
in family moves into three bedroom house in North Highlands.

556
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:40.079
November of nineteen eighty two, Jack is said to have

557
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.320
returned from Texas and moved in with Nora on Auburn Boulevard.

558
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:47.480
So I'm just putting this information together. While Jackson Texas,

559
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.320
these murders are occurring. Now we're going to see those

560
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.440
murders actually kind of take a side step to the

561
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:58.440
fact that Jack is back in California, and he states

562
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.920
that Jack is back in California, and November we see

563
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.119
our first murder back in California on November fifteenth of

564
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:08.159
nineteen eighty two, with Deanna Johnson, Dennis and I actually

565
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:14.559
had some personal hands on experience with this particular victim's friend.

566
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.119
We had spoke with her, We had gone out to

567
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:21.320
a location where they believed that it was possible that

568
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.239
she had been killed. We had poked around, we had

569
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.960
looked at a lot of things. Needless to say, I

570
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.280
did feel that it was prudent to actually put this

571
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:33.800
into the PowerPoint presentation. And this wasn't because at the

572
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:36.840
time I knew that Jack had moved back at this

573
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:42.800
particular time. This was literally because it was a murder

574
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.679
that seemed to fit the bill. So basically, Deanna Johnson

575
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:50.400
kidnapped in Vacaville, California, after leaving a party to walk home.

576
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.920
She had blunt force trauma to the head. She was

577
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.400
founded near railroad tracks on Elmira Road, close to Travis

578
00:35:57.400 --> 00:35:59.960
Air Force Base. She was wrapped in a sleeping bag.

579
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.079
And this particular murder was one that I could clock

580
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:08.199
on the murder map from Sandy Betts. So a couple things.

581
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:12.159
Railroad tracks have played huge into these crimes if you've

582
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.639
not heard all of the different drop offs in locations.

583
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.480
Blunt for's trauma is definitely something we know. Wrapped in

584
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:24.159
a sleeping bag obviously to conceal the body for as

585
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.239
long as possible. But again, Jack is back in California

586
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.880
and we see our first murder in over a year.

587
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:35.280
In California. Nineteen eighty three to nineteen ninety, Jack and

588
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.920
Nora are living in Roseville, California on Kirby Way. Jack

589
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:41.559
gets a job with Hewlett Packard as a security guard.

590
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.199
Per Dennis's book, Nora calls Jack's work and his boss

591
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:48.159
said he went home early. Jack finally arrived home and

592
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:50.719
when questioned, Jack tells Nora he had to work late.

593
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.280
Nora knew he was lying, but thought he might be

594
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.440
cheating when he could have been killing, and that caused

595
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:01.079
a fight. So I think that again, we just got

596
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:05.639
done talking about how Jack could up and disappear and

597
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:10.119
be gone. He obviously has no problem with lying. Usually

598
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:12.440
he just says, you know, piece, I'm going to go

599
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.159
get some cigarettes and just doesn't even come back. So

600
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.480
to find out that he is literally not telling the

601
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:20.639
truth to Nora when he is supposed to be working

602
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:24.840
is insane. But even more so, he's gotten this job

603
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.880
after Actually, I think we're actually going to come up

604
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:31.320
to it next, so before I say it. Yeah, nineteen

605
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:33.960
eighty two to nineteen eighty five. This is Dennis Kaufman's

606
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.559
book Once Again. August in nineteen eighty three, Mom calls

607
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:39.719
Jack at work. His boss told her that Jack had

608
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.719
left work early. When Jack finally got home, Mom asked

609
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:44.840
him where he'd been, and Jack said that he had

610
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.679
to work late. He didn't know Mom had talked to

611
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:50.400
his boss. Mom knew he was not being truthful. She

612
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.480
thought he was seeing another woman. Looking back at the situation,

613
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.360
Jack may still have been killing or planning to. He

614
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.440
could have used this security uniform to gain trust and

615
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.800
potential victims. Just a little while after Jack came home,

616
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:05.559
him and Mom were fighting. My sister's boyfriend and I

617
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.880
were in the bedroom while this was going on. We

618
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.599
didn't want to be in the same room. Mom started

619
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:13.400
screaming for help, so Chuck and I rushed in the

620
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.239
living room. Jack had his hands around her neck, and

621
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.480
when he saw us, he ran in the kitchen. We

622
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.920
were making sure Mom was not hurt while Jack was

623
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.199
in the kitchen, and we looked up and Jack has

624
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:28.079
a pan of boiling water. Jack flung the hot water

625
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:30.719
towards us and I managed to dodge the water, but

626
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.360
Chuck was not. Chuck screamed and ran out the front door.

627
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.960
Mom was right behind him. I went into the bedroom

628
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.039
where my younger sister was. She was eight months pregnant.

629
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:42.480
While I was in the bedroom with Mary, I heard

630
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.400
Jack say, let's see who is brave. Now. I knew

631
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.320
at that point that he had gotten his gun. I

632
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:50.400
ripped the screen out of the window and helped my

633
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.679
sister outside. I had just made it out when the

634
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.039
bedroom door opened. It was Jack and he was pointing

635
00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.000
his gun. If anybody would have been inside, I belie

636
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.159
believe he would have shot them. We all went to

637
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:05.000
Chuck's parents' house, and Mom called the police and told

638
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.679
them what had happened. A few hours later, Jack was

639
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.280
arrested and charged with assault with the deadly weapon, and

640
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:12.880
eventually Jack was able to have the charges reduced to

641
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.480
a misdemeanor. He was sentenced to thirty to sixty days

642
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:19.480
in jail and three years probation. He was able to

643
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.760
keep his job as a security guard. Mom eventually moved

644
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.320
back in with Jack. I never went back. I was

645
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:27.800
mad at Mom for going back, but I realized now

646
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.960
that she didn't have much choice. While Jack was serving

647
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.119
his sixty day sentence, I went by the house to

648
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:36.239
see my younger brother. Mom told me that I shouldn't

649
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:38.239
be there because if Jack were to find out, he

650
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.400
would be pissed. She said that anybody that had contributed

651
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:43.840
to him going to jail was not welcome in his house.

652
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:46.440
I didn't see her or my brother for two years.

653
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.920
After that. I went to work installing hot tubs and

654
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.320
rented a room. One day after work, I saw my

655
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.599
mother and my younger brother come walking up. It had

656
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.239
been two years since I had seen them. She came

657
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.079
to apologize for what had happened, and she said that

658
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:04.159
Jack wasn't mad anymore. And that led into nineteen eighty five. Mom,

659
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:08.559
Jack and Charles were living in Roseville, California. What I

660
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:10.599
want to bring up about that, and they mentioned here,

661
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:12.719
is that he was able to keep a security job.

662
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.079
You can't even get a restraining order these days and

663
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.679
keep a job like that, let alone have actively attempted

664
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:27.880
to shoot somebody strangle somebody, right, And.

665
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:29.079
So he wasn't charged with domestic violence.

666
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.400
Well, he was charged with assault with a deadly weapon, right,

667
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:39.519
But then it ends, right, and that's reduced to a misdemeanor,

668
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:42.599
Like you pull a gun on somebody and that's reduced

669
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:48.920
to a misdemeanor. I this is the like, what's that.

670
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.679
In fleeing hot blowing water a couple of kids?

671
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:58.840
Right, I don't even understand how he is so lucky

672
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.480
with law that that that is even a thing.

673
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:08.039
Well, no was still alive, was real lucky with the

674
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:15.199
law too, Right, I'm saying Nixon was still alive. And

675
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.039
I'm seeing a lot of these decoded miss of going

676
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:23.199
well into the eighties. He's no longer working for the

677
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:27.159
USA government, so to speak. He's working for the Holy See.

678
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.840
So you know a lot of things going on there.

679
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.760
But you brought about Hewlett Packard. I believe they're very

680
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:38.039
well connected to NASA. They did a lot with the computers,

681
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:44.119
so that could be the the solid reason why they said,

682
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.480
you know, we got to keep this guys as security guard.

683
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:50.559
It's just strange politics.

684
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.559
So yeah, so I read that a little bit ahead

685
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:57.480
of time, but we'll come back to it because I

686
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:06.119
do have some information in here, all right, So it

687
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:11.239
looks like I have some FBI foiophile information that I

688
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:13.519
had entered in here. It looks like this is a

689
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.440
follow up to my letter to you of October twenty seventh.

690
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:19.960
This is a letter that has gone to Quantago, Virginia.

691
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:24.159
I am not sure who because they've redacted who, but

692
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:30.199
it does mention the UPI story obtained by computer from

693
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:33.559
the source reported the adding of two victims' names, making

694
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.000
a total of some twenty one. So he's discussing the

695
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:40.159
Green River case and the possibility of how it cross

696
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:44.920
connects with the Zodiac killing cases, noting that there is

697
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:48.960
a similarity between the Rosicrucian Cross and Rose symbol worn

698
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:53.360
by Crowley and Zodiac's crossed circle astrological symbol. Now, I

699
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.679
know that the Rosicrucion was something that Stephen Douherst tried

700
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:01.880
to pick up on in his book, right, Harriet Kah. Yeah.

701
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.440
And somewhere in that is the Roman Catholic Church and

702
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:11.280
you know the long history. So when you bring up

703
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:15.159
about Rosicrucians, I think the ancient history of what led

704
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.239
to so many things and the crosses so much.

705
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:22.119
Okay, but do you really think that has anything to

706
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:26.599
do with the zodiac's cross hair symbol. I mean, honestly,

707
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:29.360
I don't see that.

708
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:31.440
I think is.

709
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.639
But there's a lot of stuff about the Rosicrucians in

710
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:39.920
the books on the RFK assassination and hands her Hand

711
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:52.760
had some affiliation with the guy from JPL Laboratories, Uh,

712
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:57.400
Jeffery Polson Laboratories, the guy that started started it. He

713
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:01.079
was he was actually second in command, had Dallas for Crowley,

714
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:04.559
but they had affiliations with Rose Creations as well.

715
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:10.079
He's working on jets while working with a couldest.

716
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:18.440
Yes. Yeah, well, he experimented heavily in black magic. Jack

717
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:21.920
Parsons is his name, really? I would google it. He's

718
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:26.280
a very fascinating figure. He was a rocket scientist he started,

719
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.480
and everyone thinks JPL doesn't stand for jet propulsion because

720
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.760
they were working on rocket propulsion, not jet propulsion. They

721
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.079
think it signs for Jack Parsons Laboratory.

722
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:38.199
So huh.

723
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:40.760
Fascinating an individual.

724
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:51.440
And so Jack Parsons at his house really yeah, Pasadena, California.

725
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:57.039
Yeah wow, Well, so maybe there is some type of

726
00:44:57.159 --> 00:44:59.400
tie in here. I think that the reason why Stephen

727
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:03.960
do Hers had mentioned Rosicrucion is that he thought the

728
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:08.800
symbol on a ball cap that was found in a

729
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:14.159
picture or an unprocessed film that Jack had, he believed

730
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.599
was a roach, a Crucian symbol. But when I read it,

731
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:20.239
it looked to me to be University of Las Vegas rebels.

732
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:24.480
So I was kind of yeah, I was a little

733
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:27.199
off on that one. As far as what his belief was,

734
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:29.159
I would have to go back to his book to

735
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.320
see what it was that he thought Rosicrucians were involved with.

736
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:37.159
But he is somehow linked Rosicrucion, just like this individual has.

737
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:43.159
Back in nineteen eighty three, see another one December twenty

738
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:45.679
third of nineteen eighty three, he says Dear Sir, The

739
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.079
timing of the disappearance of a possible Green River Killer victim,

740
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:54.920
Kimmy Kai Pitzer aka Reichs sixteen of Bellevue, Washington, possibly

741
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:58.239
could fit the Zodiac pattern. She reportedly was last seen

742
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:02.800
in Seattle. So I think we've cleared this now obviously

743
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:05.280
knowing that the Green River Killer has been caught. It

744
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:07.360
does not mean that they are not part of a

745
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:13.079
group and that there weren't multiple people involved. Just there's

746
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:17.000
obviously some heavy connections or cross connections that can be

747
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:22.519
made between these crimes and murder sprees. Let's see, Dear Sir,

748
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.559
so December thirtieth and nineteen eighty three. The decapitation and

749
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:28.719
mutilation of a young woman, including attempted removal of her heart,

750
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.800
in a ritual homicide near San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge

751
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:35.840
this week certainly smacks the Zodiac. So do we know

752
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:36.639
who this one is?

753
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:45.039
Harriet? No, but oh that's it. It's probably out there

754
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:48.360
for me. But I know Robert Abel had a tie

755
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:53.280
to the Bay area briefly. Yeah, yeah, through some of

756
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:59.119
his people that were connected at Stansford. So it's just

757
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:03.079
a slight possibility he was at with club. He would

758
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:07.800
be butchering people, taking off hands everything, so we don't

759
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:11.559
in case people are eating. So listen, my.

760
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:16.960
Numbers are out of okay, and my number my FOIA

761
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.880
files are out of order here, So I'm showing a

762
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.960
communication for December thirtieth of nineteen eighty three. It means

763
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:25.599
we're likely about to come up on this actual murder

764
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.039
because it seems that this is chronologically out of order.

765
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.920
Let's see dehers believes. January of nineteen eighty three, Jack

766
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.480
is said to begin a lengthy career with Hewlett, Packard

767
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.239
and Roosevelt, California, as a sergeant on the security team

768
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:44.079
contracted through Pinkerton's Security. This is the first real job

769
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:48.280
Jack has had for quite some time. January fifteenth, and

770
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:52.880
nineteen eighty three, seventy year old Lee Leslie and fifty

771
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.679
seven year old Raymond Mitchell on the twenty seven thousand

772
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:59.480
block of Dry Creek, Magnolia, Texas. Both men had been

773
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.760
known to meet other men in the Houston area and

774
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.079
welcome them to visit in Magnolia, Lee in the closet

775
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.480
of the north east bedroom and Mitchell in the closet

776
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:12.039
of the southeast bedroom. Both had been beaten and stabbed

777
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.639
to death. Lee's Maroon nineteen seventy eight. Pontiac was missing

778
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:18.840
car found February eighth, nineteen eighty three, and the nineteen

779
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:24.360
hundred block of Indiana Street in Houston and January twenty

780
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:26.800
at the nineteen eighty three FBI receives word from a

781
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.360
psychic that the Atlanta, Georgia murders are related to the

782
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:33.039
Resa Tampa, Florida murders, which the FBI found did occur.

783
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:36.719
I noted I was going to need to research that.

784
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.000
So we're going to end that here because we're down

785
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:43.639
to our last few seconds. Is there anything that either

786
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:47.320
of you would like to comment on us?

787
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:53.159
Yes, Elizabeth Short buried in Oakland.

788
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:57.159
I believe her father was from Oakland.

789
00:48:56.760 --> 00:49:00.000
Right, Harriet, Yeah, she was buried in Oakland.

790
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:04.000
Yep, yeah, because I mean she died in La. She

791
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.840
lived in LA originally she was from Illinois. It just

792
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:09.719
seems odd, but I guess if her father lived there,

793
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:10.599
that would be the reason.

794
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:14.039
Her father worked for some type of a naval installation, right,

795
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:17.199
making torpedoes or I think.

796
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.760
Mare Island, Mare Island, I think.

797
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:29.519
Area, huh yeah? So no, yeah, May Island area. Yeah.

798
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:35.480
So we're in the right area. You're absolutely correct, exactly

799
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.000
all right. Well, hopefully we'll get some of this research

800
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:41.159
done and have better answers in regards to some of

801
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:43.159
these crimes. I want to thank you both for being

802
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.639
here today, and I want everybody to have a wonderful

803
00:49:45.639 --> 00:50:08.960
weekend and we'll see you next Friday weekend. I think

804
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:15.360
sho