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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
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Are going to wrap up the John Walsh connections and
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the death of his son Adam Walsh.
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Today we have with us Lindsay mcbrair, hey, good morning,
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and Harriet Souchet Yes, good morning, Good morning. I'm hoping
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to actually blast through many slides.
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Today, finalizing these connections that we've been talking about and
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quickly or briefly covering what we've been discussing over the
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last three or so weeks. So I'm going to climb
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right back into it because there was some information in
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Lindsay's PowerPoint presentation that I found extremely interesting, and I'm
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going to start with that and then we'll climb right
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back into John Walsh. This takes us all the way
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back to the Oakland County child killings, which I know,
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Lindsay you have indicated that you thought there was a
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match or a connection between this particular set of unsolved
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murders and what we've been looking at with John Walsh.
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Correct, just with the island the island concept, Yeah.
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The Fox Island, which was the gotcha?
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Okay, so I know that putting that into play, I
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found some interesting stuff which was an article that you
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had in there and it says that this above quotations
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are Oh. First off, I want to say that I
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now have Chris Bush's father's partial name, h Lee Bush.
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Is that the Bush that you found, Harriet when you
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were doing your solves?
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Yep, Harold Lee Bush.
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That's Harold definitely, Okay, Yep.
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Now I can put a first name to that.
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So evidently he was an executive financial director in Europe
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and the US. They did in the interview or the
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FBI interviewed Chris Bush's older brother back in two thousand
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and eight. He says, here's a little more background on
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our Gregarius chef and friend to all, and then quotes
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all those over eighteen and able to physically defend themselves.
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Chris Bush.
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So Chris Bush was born on seven thirty one, fifty one,
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the youngest of four boys, to Elsie and h Lee Bush.
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The family moved frequently when the kids were young because
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the father was an executive.
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With General Motors for forty years.
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In fact, he was an executive financial director in Europe
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and the United States for GM. Three of the four
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sons predeceased the parents, who lived until their early nineties.
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One son, described as a homosexual and kind of an activist,
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died of leukemia in England, where he had lived for
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several years. Another son died approximately ten years ago in
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Michigan of congestive heart failure and diabetes, and had struggled
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with alcoholism. It Chris committed suicide, and they having quotes
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on November twenty second of nineteen seventy eight, was the
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first of the sons to die. He was cremated two
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days later at a funeral home in Birmingham, two short
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blocks from my parents' home. And I'm not sure who's
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actually writing this, but they said there was a small
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death notice for Bush, but they could find no obituary
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for him.
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So that I found was interesting, A.
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Nice say, very early There is no record of his
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suicide at the police department.
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We have to come up with is that he kind
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of was if that it was faked for various reasons,
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they wanted to get the Nazi people that were I mean,
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it's a big myth, but there's no record.
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So you think he was Basically that was just a
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setup to make it look like he went away and
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then was what moved and lived out his life.
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No, yeah, he stayed there.
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That they used him. They you know, so they killed
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him off. That's sound like it's a movie. They killed
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him all but secretly he's not really dead because they
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still need him to commit these other crimes and pen
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these crimes on other people.
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That's an interesting theory.
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That would be the perfect way to depend it on
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other people and for them never to blame it on Chris,
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because oh he did. He couldn't have done it well.
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And evidently he was hemmed up for a few things,
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but never actually suffered any charges. I guess his father
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was able to buy his way out of pretty much
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every bit of trouble that he had ever been in.
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Yep, Well, this was on this day.
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The Nazis.
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They were going after all, the Nazis that it came
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through here, and so I think that he was used
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for that. And yes, there were murders under that Jack
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committed well, and he feels bad. Yeah, so let's let's
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move on. Yeah.
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So there's a little bit more information on him that,
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again I thought was interesting.
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So it says.
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Bush then attended Wayde State University in Detroit for one year.
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He later went to a culinary institute in Midland, Michigan.
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His father provided the financial backing to open a bar
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restaurant called The Scotsman in Alma, Michigan. While Chris Bush
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was running The Scotsman, he was living in a rental
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home at seven three six North State Street, Alma, Michigan.
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At some point after Bush was arrested for csc with
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a minor at The Scotsman in January of nineteen seventy seven,
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he moved home to his parents' house in Bloomfield, Michigan.
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Now, I feel like Bloomfield came up somewhere night.
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And I was just thinking the same thing and he left.
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I feel like that came up in a message, but
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I'm not sure which.
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Yes, yes it did. It has to do with Tafa.
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It is people. Oh, I mean it's a big mess.
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And then you've got general motors. I mean we could
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go on and on.
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Well yeah, and that's what I'm gonna get you with
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the general motors, because it says the Bush has lived
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in Bloomfield Village Home for from nineteen seventy to July
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of nineteen seventy nine, Bush was employed as an administrative
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chef at an assisted living retirement complex called the Franklin
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Club Apartments. Now does this go back? What were you
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saying about Franklin?
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It just made me think about the Franklin case and
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that type of thing. How they just use these these
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names like so frequently.
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Like for different types of I guess for.
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You know how it's kind of like the same kind
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of I feel like it's the same kind of aspect
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as how they you have like three sets of sons
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that have the same exact name, and in order to
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create confusion, in order to create like it being harder
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to find people and things.
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Gotcha.
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Well, so it says twenty eight three oh one Franklin
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Road is where the Franklin Club Apartments were on, And
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I kind of triggered in on Southfield, Michigan, so basically,
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the Franklin Club Apartments were in Southfield, Michigan for about
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one month until November of nine fourth of nineteen seventy eight.
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The manager of the complex at the time was Bob Preussack.
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Crusach said Bush quit in order to pursue a new
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job at Franklin Terrence Terrace Apartments, another assisted living facility
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located at two six nine six two Franklin Road, Southfield, Michigan.
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According to Bush's father, Chris was to start his new
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job on eleven, twenty, two seventy eight, the day he
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was found dead in his parents' home. So extremely interesting
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that most people don't go and commit suicide after having
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just gotten a new job. I mean, if you're out
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there actively looking for something, that means that you're looking
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to your future. And for him to have gone out
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and wanted to begin this new job in the very
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day that's the day that he takes his life, it
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just seems awfully weird.
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But what I did put together with.
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This because we've been looking for a place to place
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these particular key rings that we'd found in Jack's belongings,
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and one of them, on one side, says Gmac, the
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other side is a GMAC, so if it's lost, it's
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supposed to be returned to GMAC po box two thousand
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and I think that says eight let me see here,
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six Southfield, Michigan. So I thought, what would be the
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chances that this key ring was actually taken from Chris
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Bush's belongings instead of it being something that Jack actively
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had for his own use. Again, it was found in
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the green tackle box that it contained undeveloped film one
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ten film regular film. It had pieces of rope that
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were cut to about two to three feet.
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It had the pilot pen that I.
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Believed that was used to execute many of the Zodiac letters,
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albeit it was bent sideways and looked like somebody had
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over used it until it completely broke.
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And that also takes us.
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Back to the nuclear power plant picture that was in
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Jack's belongings that says five miles north of Charlevoi on
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US thirty one. And I know that Linzmack had brought
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to the attention that the style of rope that was
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used in the Chris Bush well not used, but was
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in the pictures of the suicide scene of Chris Bush.
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That particular type of rope was also found in an
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extra room, I believe in the in the Ramsey's home
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in Charlottvoi, Michigan.
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Correct, lindsay, oh.
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Yeah, sorry, it was needed, yes, correct.
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So that that being another tie back because we were
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just talking about the Fox Island and the fact that
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John Benny Ramsey's grandfather had engineered and built the runway
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for planes to land on the island. So it just
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seems to keep nestling itself back into this neat, little
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nifty ball, all right, So that means we're going, yes,
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So I'm definitely going to just start bouncing through these
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and at any point in time you want to add
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anything to it, I'm going to, of course ask you
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what each one means, but I'm going to try and
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move through it fairly quickly. So you've given us some
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history on John Edward Walsh Junior. It says that National
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Florida Airlines operating three daily NonStop Miami Daytona Beach flights.
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According to Richard, a Elford station manager. Richards says National
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Florida offering free transportation to all certified travel agents. I'm
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not sure why that's in the middle of or John
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Walsh is in the middle of it, but it does
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allude to he's been named senior vice president of sales
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and Marketing and partner of Hotel Management Associates Ltd, which
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managed the three hundred and sixty room, twenty six million
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dollar Paradise Grand Hotel scheduled to open early nineteen eighty
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two on Paradise Island. And so we did make that connection.
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We showed the picture of that hotel. I think that
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I thought it was named Atlantis when I went. But
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this was obviously many years after John Walsh had any
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anything to do with it, because this is from nineteen
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eighty one, this particular article.
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You also noted he got out of it really quick.
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Well, and purportedly the reason for that was his son
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coming up abducted, right, yep, that was.
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His excuse, But I think it was that he was
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involved in stuff and he didn't want nobody to find so.
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Originally, John Walsh, being from New York, he would ultimately
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walk away from his lucrative career and he and his
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wife would forever be changed by this murder of his son.
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Adam Walsh.
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You did link him to Mayor Lanski and Alan Riven Bark.
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Now you indicated that both of these so Lanski is
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what mafia and riven Bark is cartel.
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Yeah, so RYM Bark. I'm pretty sure a lot of
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the beers know who he is. He was a big
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mob boss all over the country for all different and
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he was affiliated with many politicians.
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Gotcha, So I did ned they would catch.
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Him in things and he would never get prosecuted either
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because of his power that he had over them.
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So it looks like from what I can tell here,
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So the Unsolved Murder of Adam Walsh book to Finding
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the Victim by Arthur J. Harris, he had written in
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regards to it, and he had talked about November of
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eighty one, three months after John Monahan identified Adam's head,
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he arrived at another morgue in the Rocky Mountains. Grellin
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reported a private turbo jet had crash carrying seven bound
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from opa Waca Airport in Dade. All had been killed
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and body parts were scattered even in trees. One victim
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was Monahan's twenty three years younger fiance. Another was Alan Rivenbark, who,
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at the time of his death, six federal and state