July 19, 2024

The Zodiac Killer Speaks Out After 3 Years

The Zodiac Killer Speaks Out After 3 Years

The Exorcist Letter breaks the silence of the Zodiac Killer persona after a 3 year hiatus. Zodiac Killer count jumps to 37 victims. Following Jack as he finally receives his disability award in the very same month that the Zodiac Killer sends another...

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The Exorcist Letter breaks the silence of the Zodiac Killer persona after a 3 year hiatus. Zodiac Killer count jumps to 37 victims. Following Jack as he finally receives his disability award in the very same month that the Zodiac Killer sends another letter referred to as the “SLA” an old Norse word for “kill” a friend. SLA has Patty Hearst, so what’s the connection other than William Randolph Hearst?

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Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today, Harriet Souchet.

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Good morning, Good morning. Can you hear me? Okay, I

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can hear you?

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Okay. How are you doing?

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Oh, I'm doing okay. I'm going to put you back

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on loud speakers. That's probably gonna work better today.

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Okay.

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I hope, good, good good. We were finally at the

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Exorcist letter, which I was extremely excited. I thought we

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were going to get there last week, but unfortunately we

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ran a little bit over. So I know that when

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we left off, we were reading Dennis Kaufman's book, in

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which case he was discussing the fact that his mother

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was set up on a date with Jack Terrence with

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her sister Martha and her new brother in law Ronald.

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I don't know if this was the blind date, the

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date that they were introduced. Again. I hadn't really had

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any information that supported her showed that Jack was in

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Nora's life at least not as early as nineteen seventy one,

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even though we know he made that transfer to the

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South Lake Tahoe area. Dennis's recollection was nineteen seventy one.

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But now in seventy three, seventy four, we're starting to

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actually see pictures with Jack and Dawn in the mix

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of what's going on with Nora and Dennis Kaufman. And

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of course one of the biggest memories that Dennis had

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was of him of Jack and Nora seeing the Exorcist movie,

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and then this subsequent letter coming out in January thirtieth

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of nineteen seventy four. I don't know how much information

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you have or what you were aware of as far

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as Dennis was concerned with meeting Nora, but you were

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under the impression that was nineteen seventy one as well, correct.

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Yeah, yeah, that was I think before Exorcist letter. But

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because Dennis says he will never forget at that that

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night that Jack comes home with a busted up shoulder,

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and uh, you know that Jack is saying, well, I

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have to be here, blah blah blah. So Dennis said

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he never forgot that part. So we got two things

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going on here. And and as far as the extrace

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I don't know.

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I don't think. I don't think. I don't think I've

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hit the accident yet with the busted shoulder, So I

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know that we talked.

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Well that's what That's what I'm saying. That The Exorcist

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came out after that alleged accident, which we know he

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had something happened to him. So that's because I I

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just what I'm getting at is the movie. I went

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to see The Exorcist, and I was a teenager. Any

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kid that even heard or saw it, even the previews,

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it left an effect on your on your mind and

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your memory. So so anyways, uh, you know, that's what

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I'm getting at, because that was pretty pretty horrific.

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Let's cover this. We do know that they do admit

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in the FBI Foya Archives that this is one of

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the known letters from the Zodiac Killer. It had a

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postmarked date of one twenty nine nineteen seventy four. It

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was received January thirtieth of nineteen seventy four. The FBI

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or the SFPD lab was able to pull and process

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for DNA. They did find cells, does not indicate how

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many or where the cells were lifted from. But we

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also see a new addition to self gummed stamps at

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this point with this letter, so licking of the stamps,

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which we know that Jack had his little spittoon that

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he had everybody spit in, so that when he would

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seal an envelope or or wet a stamp, he would

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just stick his fingers. This makes me almost want a gag.

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Stick his fingers in this pot a spit and seal

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his envelopes or his stamps.

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Rather great, did that.

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I don't know about being drunk by any means, but

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to have people smooth, I can't even Okay, I get,

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let's just go past it. I can't do that. So

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the letter says I saw and think The Exorcist in

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quotes was the best satirical comedy that I have ever seen. Now,

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of course, based on what you just said, Harriet, I

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mean this was a scary movie for back in the day.

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I mean I remember it having an impression on me,

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but a satirical comedy. I thought we've seen them make

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saterial satirical comedies from it since then. But I don't

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think that anybody else in their right mind would have

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seen that as a comedy. Yeah, he says, or so

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the letter goes. The letter goes on to say, signed

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yours truly, he plunged himself into the billowy wave and

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an echo arose from a suicide's grave. Tit willow tit

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willow tit willow ps. If I do not see this

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note in your paper, I will do something nasty, which

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you know I'm capable of doing. And then we have

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these funky little doodles or drawings that we have at

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the bottom of this, and he says me thirty seven

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and SFPD zero. So he's now giving the tally saying

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SFPD has nobody and he has thirty seven victims. I'm

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taking it from this particular communication. Let's see here. So

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it's a So some of the things that make it

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consistent with other letters that we've seen so far is

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the media and movie reference, which is something we saw

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on the Patrisa House letter in regards to Sherry Joe Bates.

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We see that it's a suicide note, much like the

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Lipstick Killer Black Dahlia with the Sorry Mary letter and more.

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And of course the Sorry Mary letter was attempting to

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make it look like he had walked off into his

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own billowy grave, if you will, by walking off into

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the ocean to come at suicide, so plunged himself into

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a billowy wave. From this particular communication is a cross

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reference to the pretend suicide note Dear Mary and the

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Dear draft Board letter that talks about the waves of rabbits.

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So we're seeing waves is another one of those commonalities

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through the actual communications. Now Plunged was also used in

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the Sherry Joe Bates murder letter to describe how he

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used his knife when he plunged it into her chest.

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And the characters that we're seen, or this doodle drawing

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that we're seen at the bottom is very similar to

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characters that were found on a soy barrel bottle that

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was taken from victim Kim Allen. And we know that

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Kim Allen was most recently one of the victims that

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we've spoken about in the last couple of weeks, So

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it is kind of keeping in connection with the crimes

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that we're talking about and the letters. Now it did

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go ahead when I'm.

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What I'm getting is the way this has all been done.

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You're even finding it. It's a version of code recapping

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to try to get the message out. This is from Jack,

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and he's got something to say.

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He's always got something to say.

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Yeah, so.

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He's got the printer or else statement, which is again

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one of those things that instilled in my mind as

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a document examiner, that these messages were in order to

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get messages elsewhere. So he's consistently saying, you're going to

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print this, You're going to put it on the first page.

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I was watching something the other day it was kind

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of interesting, and they were talking about some some mob

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guy that had been killed and how he and how

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the media picked these up so quickly. And they had

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mentioned that the newspapers never missed a mob killing. That

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was great for their paper. You know, if if if

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somebody had been killed in the mob then that was

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making front page some where. It was a very interesting concept.

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But something we see that's actually happening here with the

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Zodiac case. The nine four zero ZIP code that is

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found on this is, and I've been finding this out lately,

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and I know that you helped me with the l

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which was something to do with nothing flammable obviously because

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it was air mail. And the zip code nine four

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zero is basically kind of like a master location where

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whenever any mail is dropped into a mailbox outside of

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a person's home or at a business or something like that,

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these are all gathered and taken to a central location.

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And the nine four zero was one of those zip

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codes that I found for the San Francisco area where

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an anonymous letter had been mailed, and of course, because

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it had been dropped in a mail box, it was

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then shoveled off to this particular central location and the

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mailed from there. So the nine four zero was actually

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addressed in a newspaper clipping and that says to the

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editor from the postmark and the zip code numbers nine

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four zero. It was determined that the letter was mailed

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Tuesday from somewhere in either San Mateo County or Santa

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Clara County, which is consistent with we know Jack is

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now going to Santa Clara County to pick up Danny Reynolds,

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which was his last wife. So now he's dating Nora

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and with Nora, and he's picking up Danny Reynolds from

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Cya at around about this time.

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Correct, Yeah, I believe.

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So I think this is when they're already reunited.

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So you're saying that you found that the SLA letter

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envelope they believe was nine four zero nine one zero.

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I'm on the exercise. I'm not on SLA of the Exorcist.

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My bad. I will shut up now, that's okay. I've

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got a whole year's book step in this from nineteen

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seventy four, just in six months. But anyways, keep going, all.

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Right, So we can see on this particular envelope that

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there is a couple of extracurricular steps that are on

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here that are not actual postage stamps, but likely some

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of the little messages that they like to put on

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these new pregummed stamp booklets. And we can see over

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here there's wording, and then there's the eight sense Eisenhower stamp,

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and of course that kind of brings me into the

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whole You've already been talking about these things being plied

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with something on the other side, right, So these stamps

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had something on it, some remedy on it or some

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peyote on it or some something.

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Right, Yeah, he's screaming, especially under Eisenhower's what happened under Eisenhower.

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So I do have the extras this envelope decoded part

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one end part two, because that was huge. If you

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don't you have that or don't? Yeah, do you want

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me to read that? Because that was.

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Well I'm not there yet. I will usually introduce when

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I'm ready for you to do that, So let me

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just continue on. So I did actually pull this up

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so you could see what was going on here. These

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are these are those extra little sticky parts that are

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found on the book of Stamps, and it says stamps

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in this book have been gummed with a matt finish adhesive,

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which permits the elimination of the separation tissues. I didn't

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understand what that meant. It permits the elimination of this.

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It was just to make it so when if I

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understand correctly, when you were going to tear off the stamps,

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it was going to tear off perfectly, and you weren't

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going to be separating certain things. So you can because

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this was all new, these self adhesive things. So or

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I'm trying to understand that party. But it all fit

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into a code believable and well.

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And it says this book contains twenty five eight cent stamps,

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four on this pain and seven each on three additional pains,

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selling price two dollars two dollars, but twenty five stamps.

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What a thing, all right, so it said so January

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twenty ninth, nineteen seventy four, Exorcist Letters, handwritten. Some of

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the things that are consistent with the rest of the

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Zodiac communications is we have the use of a poem,

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which we've seen this many times. We have hyphenation, which

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has been a huge thing for both Jack and the Zodiac. Killer,

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comedy is split, suicides is spelled incorrectly, well, comedy is

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spelled incorrectly. The demand to print or he's going to

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do something nasty, claims thirty seven victims. I had not

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tallied the victims at this point because we have so

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many unsolved murders. I don't know that our numbers are

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going to collectively match since we appear right, And so

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I was I was gonna say if I.

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Go ahead, I was just saying I'm agreeing. But I

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found it all the code just unbelievable. This one. The

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letter itself was easy for me to do.

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And can all right, so the envelope.

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Can I quickly point out something about what we think

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are the ink blobs? I got this years ago. Somebody

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was saying, and I think it's associated with they don't

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like us dot com that when you rearranged it, it

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came out as j f k Q. So I ignored

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that for years. But once I thought I applied this,

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it came out as jfk Q, and it really fit

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and helped. It was like a code keep. It helped

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complete the solve.

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Well. Aside from the actual little images that he drew

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on there, we also see this this ink dot with

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a trail coming down it and another ink dot. These

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were the These were those little tiny pieces of doodlings

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that were occurring, especially on the letter where Dennis was

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under the impression that Robert Graysmith had altered it and

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gotten rid of the ink blots in order to make

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some changes and alterations to that bell top a that

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we were talking about last week. So it is not

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unheard of to see these ink dots or these heavy

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you know, grinding dots as we'd call them in graphology,

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where the doodler is just sitting there kind of you know, doodling,

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not even thinking about what it is that he's doing.

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So to state that those ink blobs on the Annihilation

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letter were anything more than a bad print is ridiculous

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because we see them occurring all over these particular messages.

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All right, So let's see here the envelope post mark

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January twenty ninth, nineteen seventy four, went to the San

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Francisco Chronicle read please rush to editor, so again movie

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media reference and comment on it. Just like Patricia Hout's

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letters in regards to Sherry Joe Bates, we had that,

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we had this particular letter followed up by a murder

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on February first of nineteen seventy four with Brenda Merchant.

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She was found in a rural ditch in Marysville, California.

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So again still staying within this nearby Sacramento area. She

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had been stabbed to death, semi nude and same same

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area as Lane and Darryberry. So found in a rural ditch.

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Did you have any information on Brenda Merchant.

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I don't know how it started on it. I started

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to try to find it, and all I was finding

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was the Doodler, you know, so they seemed to move

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out of Robert Graysmith's list, and so I didn't get

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to those. I just said, well, I'm going to have

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to just move on to quickly what the Doodler's list

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now is, which is the black Zodiac? Dig deep on

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that one, but it's all connected. But no, I'm sorry,

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I'm like, I need to get to these lists people,

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you know, the brain.

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What do you mean, the doodler, the black zodiac.

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What they called they called, Okay, we have you have

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the long list of names that were known as Robert

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Grasmith's zodiac list, which includes you know, Pimwindy, Allen, just

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who you named Merchant and the whole list of other people.

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But over the years the gray Smith list went bye bye,

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and then they started saying that this is the Doodler's list.

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But I saw quite a few years ago that they

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were considering still zodiac cases. So he was known as

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the black Zodiac. But good luck and finding that too.

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That was when then I don't understand the black Zodiac.

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What is what is the black zodiacs to mean?

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Because the doodler is a person of color and still,

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but it was Robert Gracemiss Zodiac list people, and so

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they kind of changed things. But it's still coming up

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with the connection to the zodiac I found because it's

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Bill Hilliard. That's what a long story is that keeps

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naming Bill Hilliard as the person who was doing the

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Bracemith list of people. Anyway, Yeah, it's supposed to be confusing,

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but I hadn't heard them years ago, and I ignored it.

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The black Zodiac. No Jack was white. But anyways, right,

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all right.

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Well, total victims thirty seven and after three years of silence,

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will have Danny Reynold goes to Cya from nineteen seventy

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one or seventy two through seventy four. We have a

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newspaper article in regards to this particular letter, and it

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says that let's see woman in the wounding of her

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male companion. Okay, so police believe the Zodiac has an

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eye problem because he wore glasses even under his hood.

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There are also indications that he had some connection to

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the military, will a military type crew cut or short hair.

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His pants had pleats at a time when that cut

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was not fashionable. He committed several of his murders in

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the Valeo area near May Island and one near the presidio,

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and his messages showed some knowledge of cryptography. Tashi said

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he leans towards the the in addition to the fact.

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What oh, I lost you there for about twenty seconds,

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But you didn't.

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You didn't, You didn't. You didn't lose me, You just interrupted. Sorry, okay.

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So with the oh, Tashi said that he leans toward

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the theory that Zodiac may have been connected with the

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Navy at one time, in addition to the fact that

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he wore a navy type windbreaker jacket for the steinkilling.

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The detective notes three codes were used in his messages,

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and some had nautical signs. One sign is used by

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weather and navy people. In consultation with psychologist, Tashi has

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also come to the conclusion that Zodiac is a high

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school graduate with a giant ego locked in an inconspicuous identity.

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I feel he probably has a menial job and is

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very lonely, not around many loved ones. Although a handwriting

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expert once concluded Zodiac was impotent and afraid of women,

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the investigator says the facts only show that he apparently

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enjoyed killing defenseless people. There was no sexual activity, said,

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no molestation, no mutilation. The key to solving the case, Toashi, said,

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lies in Zodiac's ego, in his somewhat distinctive lettering style,

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not in his coded messages, one of which remains unbroken.

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Zodiac seemed obsessed with publicizing his exploits. At first, he

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communicated with smaller newspapers such as Valeo Times Herald. Then

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he sent letters to the two large daily newspapers in

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San Francisco, and later sent one letter to the Los

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Angeles Times, the largest West Coast daily, complaining that the

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San Francisco papers relegated his messages to the back pages

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as a result. However, his lettering has been seen by

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people all over California. I hope he'll communicate with a

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friend or family member and slip, Tashi said. I hope

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something rings a bell in someone's head and they'll pass

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on a letter to police. I'm counting on a slip

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of mine where he feels after nine or ten years

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that he's safe and he'll write a boastful letter to

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a friend. Medical people and psychologists say it will come out.

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Tashi believes that Zodiac has not killed since nineteen sixty nine. Haha,

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although the Mystery Man increased his total to thirty seven

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on January thirtieth, nineteen seventy four, after nearly a three

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year silence. At that time, Zodiac's ego was a parent

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as he panned penned The Exorcist as bad comedy, although

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it caused many people to vomit. Later in nineteen seventy four,

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he sent two messages to the Chronicle without disclosing his identity.

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One urged the newspaper to show some concern for public

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sensibilities by dropping an ad for a movie called Badlands.

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The letter, signed a citizen, went on to say this

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kind of murdered glorification can only be deplorable at best.

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In a postcard signed the Red Phantom, read with rage,

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Zodiac criticized columnist Count Marco for his superior attitude and

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demanded cancelation of the column. He got his pleasure by

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telling us about the burders. Tashi said, My guess is

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he hasn't been killing. Ego is what forced him to

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kill and write letters, knowing the media would broadcast and

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print it. If that's so, then why hasn't Zodiac killed

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in recent years? And why has he been silent so long.

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One theory is that he has been in and out

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of prison, jails or mental institutions. I think he is

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in a period of remission and that some symptoms abated.

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Tossi said. Perhaps during this period he had no desire

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to kill. There was a previous is the shorter period

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of inactivity discovered during investigation of five Zodiac slanes from

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December twentieth, nineteen sixty eight to October eleventh, nineteen sixty nine.

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Police determined that the Zodiac was behind the October thirtieth,

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nineteen sixty sixth lane of Riverside Riverside City College cheerleader

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Cherry Joe Bates, whose throat was slashed by a man

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who first sabotaged her car in the college parking lot.

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Ah.

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A janitor inadvertently found a poem scratched in a library

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study on a desk. So again there's that poetic reference

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all the way back to Scherry Joe Bates, and that

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brings us to your solve, Harriet, which this one says

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the exorcist letter decoded and it begins facsimile to examiner Hurst.

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Do you have that one available?

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Yeah, I read it. It's March seventh. I sent the

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Gilbert Sullivan Japanese opera or duet or whatever you call

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it as why it's White White Gottlieb.

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Push, Okay, that's not the one. That's not the one

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I'm looking at. I'm looking at one. It says, Messages

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three seven seventy four facsimile to examiner Hurst. I'm ill

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located at UC Davis. Do you have that one? I

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don't understand.

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Is that is that the SLA letter?

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No, we're not letter.

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Well, this one is the Exorcist letter that I'm trying

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to trying to read. But it's the envelope and the letter.

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Oh my god, come on, now I have it. I

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have it. I have it. Come on, I just had it. Well,

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you go ahead and read it. I just had it,

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and I think I just dropped the page.

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All right, are you there? I'm yes, says I'm ill

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located at UC Davis. I need the little list Modus operandi,

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lsd Ico, Peyoti, Alcoholics, anonymous, vow by clock sequence, frank print,

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New York and San Francisco files. I saw Sidney Gottlieb

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and George White plunge Olson out the window. Where's the

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remedy did Senator Prescott Bush Weary wifey save RX on

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Ohio Washington two cent stamp aid, I can't read your

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writing here, Ott please Chip bullin, Oh shitty thing. Oh

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I don't know what aid? What is aid?

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Oughtly?

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Yeah, that's an yep, gotcha, Chip Bullan, Oh a shitty thing?

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PO have a oh P Midnight dark Room? Latitude longitude

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is San Jose Terrence?

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Yeah, now I have it? But uh but you but

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you got that. He's just screaming, He's like, where's the

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where is the cure? Just like poc is reportedly saying

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that he's thinking that he's in some kind of institution

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or he's, you know, away somewhere. So he says, that's

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what this sl A letter is, is that that he's

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trying to get the message across that he's supposed to

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have the cure and he's wondering where is it.

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Well, and I did pick out kind of what you said,

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there have an O P Midnight dark Room. So operation

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Midnight dark Room?

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Is that?

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Okay?

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So?

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And and the thing that the thing that stood out

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there for the dark Room is that long before any

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of these solves came about, Dennis had told me that

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Jack had a house in San Jose and in the

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basement there was a dark room where he would process

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images and photographs and film and negatives and things of

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that nature. So it is kind of interesting that at

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this point in time, nineteen seventy four, we're still seeing

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that changeover. We know he's back and forth between the

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Santa Clair area, the San Jose area, and back and

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forth to the South Lake Tahoe area, but that you

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are actually coming out with messages that indicate that he

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has a dark room and the latitude longitude for that

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is San Jose. So that does coincide with something that

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I was told specifically by Dennis.

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Yeah, this is what is amazing. Now I'm I'm on

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the page. But yeah, he's calling this so the previous

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ones two months earlier, they were calling him telephone, so

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that uh yeah, fact similar to Examiner Hurst. And he's

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you know, trying to get tell me, saying what a

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shitty thing to do. And then he's saying that you know,

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he has just like you said, at the latitude and

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longitude in San Jose. He's got this stuff that you

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know has to do with Frank Olsen and he's seen

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that Sydney got leebing George White plunge Olsen out the window.

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You know they's quite some time mm hmm. Okay, so

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let's see. Oh I said that that's been coming up

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in the messages for quite some time, him talking about

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them pushing Olson out the window.

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Yeah, he keeps repeating this. So this is just another

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clue on the other hand, that this is coming from

458
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:55.440
Jack and he's trying to get messages across. But this

459
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:59.720
time I'm seeing a series of them going to to

460
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:05.519
the first people. They're they're buying Nixon. Nixon is about

461
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:09.920
to he's about to resign. Well the day, Jill, what's

462
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:10.759
happening this year?

463
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.079
But anyway, all right, so now I have the part

464
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:19.240
two decoded message of March seventh, sent the Gilbert Sullivan

465
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:20.880
Japanese opera duet.

466
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:25.000
You have that, Yep, that's the one I was about

467
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:32.400
to read. Come on now, Oh.

468
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:35.880
God, this is why I call you, so that you

469
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.960
can have this stuff like already tabbed out and ready

470
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.519
to go, so that we're not searching at the time.

471
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:48.799
That's what I have, but uh, it's someone Oh god,

472
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:58.519
I just had it, but it's in my book. So

473
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:02.799
the part two The Exorcist, right, okay, yes, yes, here

474
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.960
it is. It's March seventh, sent the Gilbert Sullivan Japanese

475
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.839
opera duet as Y Got Leave, Why White Got Leave?

476
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:16.599
Pushed Frank Olsen out the window. Frank, sorry for printing.

477
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:27.079
The A forty two oss uh contact Surgeon EH Secrets

478
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:33.319
East Asia, San Francisco, New York Office of Strategic Services

479
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:38.599
Biology Documents files. That's the IO files, seventeen eighty two

480
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:42.960
seceed Zodiac code. He's saying, that's the code he's using,

481
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:49.799
you know, from Nixon VP. Trump, Nixon Price Administration, Chicago Truman.

482
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:55.039
He said Trump, you got Trump on the brain, VP Truman.

483
00:30:55.680 --> 00:31:03.000
Oh my god, I said Trump say trumpies. Okay. Anyways,

484
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.519
dignant herons Uti under the influence l E st Dash

485
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:13.400
one hundred oss made sodium P. I think it's fourteen

486
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:18.799
milligrams truth serum coerth hearens the h for hearns to

487
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:26.039
combess say this member and then it's Hilliard murder Suzanne IO.

488
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.960
That's a document of order DEE. That's Dwight Eisenhower, Saudi

489
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:35.160
execute order shitty Cia Bidlin m G. Yeah, they go

490
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:40.200
way back. Crash planes nine to eleven oh one twin towers,

491
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:46.319
WTC World Trade Center, Airline United American Flights eleven one

492
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:51.119
seventy five. Ho A shitty thing to do, please, asshole

493
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:58.400
answer if New York Well NY Post editor San Prescott Bush,

494
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:05.519
if Asian and Hio did save nineteen oh two Demothenese date,

495
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:11.160
Washington Face Picture Bureau A Printing and Engraving two zero

496
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:15.039
twos five zero. That's the zip go to Washington anyways,

497
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:21.359
Carmine Carmine red, Cincinnati, Ohio by the SIMAC vending machine.

498
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:29.599
The matt Adhesa contains set peyote remedy stamps. I my fatigue,

499
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:37.079
Philip atomic clock mount Diablo three six nine zero feet et.

500
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:41.559
I believe that's for Eastern Time twelve a M nine

501
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:45.119
nine nine. That's the reverse at time and at signed

502
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:48.960
Terrence and he also I put in the bottom he's

503
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.079
got the November twenty eight, nineteen fifty three date. That's

504
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:57.720
when Frank Olsen was pushed out the window. Huh yeah,

505
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.960
I got all of that out of the envelope.

506
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:04.200
Now I noticed up at the top, you said, Gilbert Sullivan.

507
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:09.079
You guys said Gilbert Sullivan. Japanese opera duet. Is that

508
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:10.400
the reference to the Mikado.

509
00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:16.000
Yeah, yeah, he's saying he's trying to clarify that he

510
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:18.480
sent that. So this is supposed to be a way

511
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.160
if they decode this to know that this is the

512
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:25.759
real deal, this is the real guy. And then he's

513
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:30.519
trying to repeat what happened years earlier. And then they're

514
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:33.559
looking he is looking for not just for the cure

515
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.960
for himself, they're trying to cure what's to happen in

516
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.440
the future, because you know, he's not going to be

517
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:44.839
flying the United Airlines, he's not going to be flying

518
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.880
the he's trying to stop what's going to happen in

519
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.960
the future. So it's not just for him, but he's

520
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:54.279
trying to cure himself at that point. But this is

521
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:58.200
supposed to be the quick cure. So can you imagine

522
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:02.839
all those people walking around that were mk ultrud you know,

523
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:04.359
and probably didn't even.

524
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:10.639
Know right right, well, because some people weren't some people

525
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:14.400
didn't opt in for this particular project. This was actually

526
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:19.239
perpetrated on some people like patients in mental hospitals and

527
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:19.840
so forth.

528
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:25.400
So, yeah, they were dropped the LSD stuff and then

529
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.079
they were programmed and it probably only took a couple

530
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.199
of minutes. Thirty years later. They don't know why they're

531
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:34.199
acting funny. Anyways, keep going well.

532
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:36.760
On February sixth of nineteen seventy four, we have another

533
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:40.840
airtel from the FBI Foya files to the Director of

534
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.519
the FBI from the Sacramento office, the subject being the

535
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:48.519
Zodiac extortion of Sacramento. It says for information of the

536
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:52.360
Los Angeles office. Commencing in August nineteen sixty nine. An

537
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:56.159
individual who has written several letters to newspapers in northern California,

538
00:34:56.559 --> 00:35:01.239
some of which contained cryptographic cryptographic message, and who signs

539
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.559
himself Zodiac, has been subject in at least six unsolved

540
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:08.239
murders in California. Because of some of the details contained

541
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:12.119
in his letters pertaining to the murders, agencies which investigated

542
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.800
the cases have come to the confirm conclusion that the

543
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:18.679
Zodiac is responsible. The murders for which the Zodiac has

544
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:23.840
taken credit are as follows. Ten thirty sixty six, Riverside, California,

545
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:28.599
one murder, December twentieth, nineteen sixty eight, Valeo, California, two murders.

546
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:34.960
July fourth, nineteen sixty nine, Valeo, California, one murder September

547
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:38.760
twenty seventh, nineteen sixty nine, Lake Berryessa, Napa County, California,

548
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:43.880
one murder, and uh October eleventh, nineteen sixty nine, San Francisco, California,

549
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.000
one murder. So we're seeing that there's the admission that

550
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:48.960
the Sherry Joe Bates is indeed a victim of the

551
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.960
Zodiac Killer, and that the Riverside PD will be submitting

552
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:56.559
writings in Layton prints to the FBI for examination. This

553
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.559
goes on to talk about let's see, I'm just going

554
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:03.360
to sure or briefit. Let's see here. As a result,

555
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:06.760
the FBI laboratory has on file several samples of handprinting

556
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.880
and writing prepared by the Zodiac, which samples were furnished

557
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:14.119
by the above police agencies. I thought it was interesting,

558
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.639
and I notated here that the FBI FOYA file shows

559
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:19.000
that they have both letters and fingerprints on file for

560
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.360
the suspect. And then, of course I also question, so

561
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.719
how come they claim they cannot do the comparison on

562
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.440
Jack Terrence themselves, if they're acting, or if they're stating

563
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:32.679
that they're in possession of all of this information. Another

564
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:36.960
item in this FOYA file was the FBI Identification Division,

565
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.960
Layton Fingerprint Section has on file some latent prints developed

566
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.840
from question documents and other sources. I wonder what the

567
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.760
other sources are and made available by the above police agencies.

568
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:50.519
Some or all of these latent prints may belong to

569
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:53.840
the Zodiac. So again, how come they claim not having

570
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.480
the original documents of the Zodiac killer was a reason

571
00:36:56.519 --> 00:37:00.960
to come to an inconclusive opinion on Jacks Terrence's handwriting

572
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.599
when they are obviously using letters on so many instances

573
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:08.559
throughout their FOY file to complete examinations on other suspects.

574
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:10.559
So it didn't really make a lot of sense that

575
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:12.840
they told me that they needed the original documents in

576
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:17.960
order to complete it or make a solid identification or

577
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.800
exclusion on Jack Terrence, when clearly they've not been operating

578
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.480
this entire time off of the original documents as they're

579
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:25.519
doing their exams.

580
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:27.119
See.

581
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.039
For a period of approximately three years, no correspondents have

582
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.599
been received from the Zodiac. However, on one, twenty nine,

583
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:35.559
seventy four, a letter was received by a San Francisco

584
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.760
newspaper believed to have been prepared by the Zodiac. San

585
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:42.079
Francisco office is in the process of obtaining a copy

586
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.880
of this letter and any latent fingerprints developed on it

587
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:48.760
for submission to the FBI Laboratory and Identification Division. So

588
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:52.159
there it says it boom right there, prepared by the Zodiac.

589
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.840
The San Francisco office is in the process of obtaining

590
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:59.440
a copy of this letter and any latent fingerprints developed

591
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:03.519
on it for submission to the FBI. So will why

592
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.360
will the FBI take copies of letters for something but

593
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:10.719
not but then terminut to tell me when I submit

594
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:15.320
good handwriting, good original documents for Jack, Terrence tell me

595
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:18.360
that they can't do that without having the original Zodiac letters.

596
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.719
I think that was just a sham. They were basically

597
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:22.079
lined straight to my face.

598
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:28.079
Yeah, they I got solved that other thing that Jack Jack,

599
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.039
that they knew that Jack was a Zodiac years ago,

600
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.400
years and years and years ago. So you know, and

601
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:39.239
I'm seeing some of it during pre Nixon resignation that

602
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:42.920
some people are in the FBI, like g Gordon Lyddy.

603
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:46.519
I believe he was connected to the FBI. We're in

604
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:50.159
on a lot of these communications. And so there was

605
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:53.000
a purpose in the long story short list to bring

606
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:56.239
down Hofwain and g and Kanna. So then of course,

607
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.199
here you are years later. I'd like to get my

608
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:01.599
hands on this, you know, so I can do a

609
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:05.519
physical comparison. Oh no, we don't have access. We don't

610
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.599
have you know. Dennis was frustrated with that too. He

611
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:11.880
would just like you read. He said, they have this

612
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:16.320
the they have the communication, but they're not willing to

613
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:16.800
share it.

614
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:21.760
So just short of even having the communications, My bigger

615
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.800
question is the fact that they literally are operating off

616
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:28.480
of copies. And here's the thing I operate. I'd say

617
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.400
ninety five percent of my cases are operated off of

618
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:35.039
copies because it's the opposing side that has the original,

619
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.519
or the original doesn't exist because they've committed fraud. And

620
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.840
you never ever put forth the original document. When you've

621
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.320
cut and pasted something, or when you've manipulated, or when

622
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:49.400
you've simulated somebody else's handwriting. All of these things are

623
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:53.079
super detectable on an original document. So it's quite frequent

624
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.039
that I'm working off of a copy to begin with.

625
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:57.960
It does not preclude me the ability to do my

626
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.000
job simply because it's a copy. So when they lied

627
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:02.639
to me and said, oh, well, we have to have

628
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.800
the original zodiac letters in order to do that comparison,

629
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.920
they were light through their teeth most of the time.

630
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.679
They are not being given this original document. It's being

631
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.920
kept under wraps because it's evidence. You don't want to

632
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.639
work the same For me. When I am given an

633
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:19.960
original document, the first thing I do is I scan

634
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:22.079
it in and I work off the scan. I'm not

635
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.719
going to jeopardize the integrity of an original document by

636
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:28.519
putting my hands all over it, or we're doing anything

637
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:32.199
that might jeopardize that particular evidence. So I think this

638
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:35.599
warrants repeating. March twenty second of nineteen seventy one, Zodiac

639
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:39.159
goes silent after mailing a postcard about sought victim number

640
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:43.119
twelve Donna Lass. At the same time, Jack is appearing

641
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.280
in court in Santa Clara County and placed on one

642
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:48.599
year probation with no guns. Danny Reynolds goes to CYA

643
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.320
for three years. Now we have the pop out three

644
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.719
years of silence. January twenty ninth, nineteen seventy four, Jack

645
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:58.119
and Nora are living in Mount Aukham Plaisterville, California. When

646
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.480
Danny Reynolds is released from CYA, Jack picks Danny up

647
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:04.400
in San Jose California, and the exorcist letter was mailed

648
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.000
from the San Mateo County or the Santa Clara County

649
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.559
area on that very same day. So I think that

650
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.000
Jack is busy with these other crimes during this three

651
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.239
year period. We have the dB Cooper going on. We

652
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:20.320
have the DC Freeway Phantom. Good morning, Nolan, I just

653
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:26.639
saw you. Good morning. That's okay, that's okay, you're catching up.

654
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:30.480
We're just visiting the exorcist letter today, so we've been

655
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:33.760
primarily kind of hung up on that. But more great

656
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.679
solves from Harriet as well. So to continue with this

657
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.679
particular FOYA file. A review of the Sacramento file in

658
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:42.880
this matter discloses that no question writing or Layton prints

659
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.800
which may have been developed in the Riverside, California murder

660
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.480
have been submitted to the FBI Laboratory or Identification Division.

661
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:54.159
The leads the FBI Identification Division Late Layton Fingerprint Section

662
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:56.880
is requested to advise how many latent prints believed to

663
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.239
be of the Zodiac are available and if there is

664
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.440
any possibility of classifying these latent prints to the extent

665
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.679
of permitting his search through the FBI fingerprint files. In

666
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:10.880
an effort to identify the Zodiac Los Angeles at Riverside, California,

667
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:14.320
will from will from the local authorities who investigated the

668
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.440
murder believed committed by the Zodiac, obtained copies of any

669
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:21.559
handwriting or handprinting attributable to him, and photographs of any

670
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.199
latent prints which may have been developed in that case,

671
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.400
and submit these to the FBI Laboratory and identification a

672
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:32.039
vision for appropriate examination in comparison with previously submitted samples.

673
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:36.159
Armed and dangerous. So the Riverside PD never submitted files

674
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:38.960
or latent prints to the FBI for examination up to

675
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:42.039
this point, and the Riverside PD indicates they will be

676
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.039
sending this information to the FBI Crime Department.

677
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.360
Yeah, just so. And what amazes me is we've had

678
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:56.400
all these years even later that the Zodiac can't be

679
00:42:56.519 --> 00:43:01.400
an FBI suspect, and we're hearing nothing about you know,

680
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:06.199
I mean, it's just nothing. The FBI has all the files,

681
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:12.159
we know, so they Zodiac is an FBI case.

682
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.800
Oh absolutely, all the way up until nineteen ninety one,

683
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.679
which then they just for whatever miraculous reason shut it

684
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:22.199
down and stop stop producing any more files on it,

685
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:26.320
stop producing any more memorandums on it from what I

686
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:28.639
can tell, and I don't know if they claim to

687
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.599
have submitted everything back. Here's the thing. If they were

688
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:37.760
given copies and photographic copies of fingerprints and then copies

689
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:41.079
of the communications, what was there to return? You know,

690
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:43.079
I heard a couple of times, I think from the

691
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:46.199
FBI office that they had returned the evidence. There was

692
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.719
no evidence. They were never in position possession of anything

693
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:53.039
that was original to be returned to local law enforcement.

694
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.199
Everything they had were copies. So where are where's this information?

695
00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:01.400
Where are these fingerprints? Where are these copies of these lefts?

696
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:05.360
We now are climbing onto. It looks like February thirteenth

697
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.760
of nineteen seventy four, and Jack's appeal is finally awarded

698
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:13.000
the findings an award for Workmen's Compensation Appeals Board at

699
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.039
the State of California. As shows, here's the proof that

700
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:18.840
the timeline with Dennis and Dewhurst is probably about a

701
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.599
year and a half off. But if Jack just received

702
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:25.880
the award in February nineteen seventy four, he did not

703
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:29.079
have any income for quite some time, so it was

704
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:30.800
a question as to whether or not he could have

705
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.199
bought and moved into the suggestion property in Mount Auckham

706
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.519
as was suggested, unless he was making money in some

707
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:42.840
other avenue, which would have been him screaming out loud

708
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:46.800
for payment for these murders that he's committing and these

709
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:49.599
jobs that he's doing. Again, like I said, he seems

710
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.599
to be able to move around and buy properties even

711
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:53.480
though he doesn't appear to have anything more than a

712
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.880
menial job, just as Toshi had stated in that last article.

713
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:00.239
Let's see this would make it Christmas and then eighteen

714
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:03.079
seventy four, which must have some meaning since our author

715
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:06.239
chose to write it on the next letter and as

716
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:09.400
if to say, Hahaha, I've got you. This injury was

717
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.679
likely from his deeds and not and on the job

718
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:14.519
injury at all. So this is him finally being awarded

719
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:17.199
which for what we believed was the nineteen seventy one

720
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:21.079
nineteen seventy two injury at South Lake Tahoe Linen Company.

721
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.760
So and it was filed February thirteenth, nineteen seventy four,

722
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.360
followed by the receipt of this next letter in February

723
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.880
fourteenth of nineteen seventy four. Let's see temporary disability in

724
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:34.599
demnity at one hundred and one dollars per week beginning

725
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:38.000
February seventh of nineteen seventy three, two and including July

726
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:40.440
eighth of nineteen seventy three. So this is a whole

727
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:44.440
nother injury. I mean, if he's been awarded workman's comp

728
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:50.920
for nineteen seventy three, we're looking at a completely different injury.

729
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:57.199
Once again, let see, under the circumstances temporary disability will

730
00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:01.199
be will be found to July eight, nineteen seventy three,

731
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:04.519
the day of the motorcycle accident. So here's that motorcycle

732
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:06.079
accident that we were talking about.

733
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:12.079
Yeah, I think that's Jack. I mean, Dennis says that

734
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:16.440
that was the night of when Jack comes home, the

735
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:20.519
night of BB Cooper. So you know they could I

736
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:25.280
think we're going there that that they're lying the document

737
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:28.039
people are lying, and they're just you know, they're I

738
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:31.599
think they're just going to award Jack for a nineteen

739
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:33.840
seventy three thing when it was actually a year or

740
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:35.719
two earlier. That's what I'm getting.

741
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.480
Well, it's a defendant, and I don't know how they

742
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:41.079
backed this up to this point, but it says defendant

743
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:45.159
is entitled to credit for temporary disability indemnity paid for

744
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.840
two days worked by applicant in December of nineteen seventy two.

745
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:51.880
So yeah, they just keep backing this up and it's

746
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:53.800
not really making a lot of sense to me, But

747
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.920
I was under the impression that is sorry, his work

748
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.960
pomp injury was based from nineteen seventy two work with

749
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:06.719
South Lake Tahoe Linen Company. Well, that brings me.

750
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:11.400
Nineteen seventy he was working there seventy seventy one when

751
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:15.639
he you know, kidnapped Donna laugh. And then it's the

752
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:20.320
year later with DV Cooper, So you know, it's a

753
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.440
the dates we know we can be kind of uh

754
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:31.119
pudged a little bit ar Zodiac.

755
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:35.880
Yeah, go ahead, Nolan. And the one before that. I

756
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.719
need to look at the caption because see who's the

757
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:44.519
defendant Jack, It's Lake Tahoe City Linen. And that's what

758
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.280
I'm saying. He was only working with Lake Tahoe City

759
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:50.400
Linen at least I believed up through nineteen seventy two.

760
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:57.480
So yes, this is against Lake Tahoe City Linen, in

761
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.400
which case I don't believe he was so and how

762
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:05.960
was he awarded for February of seventy three to July

763
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:10.000
of seventy three. Yeah, that's odd, very odd. He didn't

764
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:11.280
work there in seventy three.

765
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:18.440
Well, I got a fall from Uh, it's the oh,

766
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:22.199
the the Donna last thing where he's saying that when

767
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:26.760
he is going to kill hop up by g and

768
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:31.639
Kanna that he's the linen driver day. That's in nineteen

769
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:36.119
seventy five. So that's probably one of his covers, you know,

770
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.760
still working as a linen driver occasionally.

771
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:43.599
Huh, So you'd think he was still working for South

772
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:45.280
Lake Tahoe in seventy five.

773
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:51.599
Just briefly to kill G and Conna's part of the cover.

774
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:54.440
He's still in the he's still in the intel community.

775
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:55.440
I see it, guys.

776
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:58.920
Well, in linen companies were definitely a mom thing being

777
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.679
in South Lake Tahoe where the casinos are, and being

778
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:05.039
a linen company would even be more connected to the MOB,

779
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.880
I would say, than any other random linen company throughout

780
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.519
the United States that wasn't so closely related to casinos.

781
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:14.920
All right, Well, that puts us on our last minute

782
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:17.079
and we did not make it to the SLA letter.

783
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:19.760
So that will be what we start out with next week.

784
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:24.079
That one gets extremely interesting because we have letters to Hurst,

785
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:27.519
we have Patty Hurst that's being kidnapped, we have Martin

786
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.280
Luther King that's being talked about. Like this is going

787
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:32.480
to be a very very busy letter for us. But

788
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:35.360
is there anything anybody would like to say? Last minute

789
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:36.320
before we climb off.

790
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:43.079
I'm gonna say, West America and everybody vote whatever you

791
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:44.960
need to do this year.

792
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.320
Okay, we're not at voting time right now. I just

793
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:55.599
ask for a sign off, like, goodbye you guys. Next week,

794
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.199
all right, we'll see you guys. Then everybody take care

795
00:49:58.239 --> 00:49:59.320
and have a wonderful weekend.

796
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:22.440
Exact think, exact shout