Nov. 9, 2024

The Real Story by Dennis Kaufman

The Real Story by Dennis Kaufman

We will return to the original evidence collected and presented by Dennis Kaufman, friends, and family. A chilling tale that has been copied by many false accusers. Netflix just dropped a new docuseries still naming Arthur Leigh Allen as the Zodiac...

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We will return to the original evidence collected and presented by Dennis Kaufman, friends, and family. A chilling tale that has been copied by many false accusers. Netflix just dropped a new docuseries still naming Arthur Leigh Allen as the Zodiac which is a huge injustice to the victims and families. ALA was cleared on all forensic accounts 30 years ago. Shame on you Netflix…

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Riders on the storm, uh, riders on the storm, into

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this auster board into this world withdrawn like a dog

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without a bone.

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And hack her out alone. Riders on the storm. There's

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a killer on the road. His brain is Squaremen like

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a toe. He galody day, let your children play.

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If you kill this man a ride, I will die.

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Killer on the road.

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The two victims were parted out of the car and

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shot out of the car.

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Around San Francisco. The name Zodiac Evoake's darkness scary and

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the murders are real. Four decades have done nothing to

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lessen the brutality of his crimes. Five point blank executions

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by bullet and blade.

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There were multiple victims the multiple areas.

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For two years.

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The Zodiac killed police, and I'm convinced that it was

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the killer of a San Francisco camp driver who set

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in a swatch of bloody cloth with a letter to

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the San Francisco Chronicle taunted police.

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In a string of letters to local newspapers.

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The Zodiac would write letters to the editor, bragging and

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his exploits.

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Dear editor, this is the Zodiac.

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Then disappeared. Ex Identity has become the holy grail for

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a dedicated band of amateur sluice. Over the years, thousands

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have taken up the hunt. We went hunting with a

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few of them. Hello, none more memorable than Dennis Kaufman.

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For him, unmasking the Zodiac is not a profession but

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an obsession.

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I realized that a lot of people come forward and

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claim to know who the Zodiac is, and that makes

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it very difficult for me, because the bottom line is,

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I really do know who the Zodiac is.

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Seventy one to nineteen seventy four, Dennis Kaufman spent eight

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years building a circumstantial case against his stepfather. He claims

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even accounts for the Zodiac's disappearance.

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Because we moved to Minnesota and then the Texas and

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then back here. It started a month later.

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DNA tests are being done on letters and envelopes sent

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from Jack Tarrans.

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They're not telling me everything, Eater. All as I know

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is that they want more items, So that's what we're doing.

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The FBI not closing the books on attempts to identify

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the Zodiac, the serial killer from the nineteen sixties.

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Tonight claims there's a new connection between the FBI suspect

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and the Zodiac. Chris Pickle is live in the CBS

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thirteen US with the new developments.

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You've been following this one closely, Yes, I have, and

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a local document examiner now says she has been able

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to link the two and that is all there in

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black and white. I told him it was purely an

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entertainment value, that I would even take a look at it,

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a case she wasn't interested in, and you turned intriguing.

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Forensic document examiner Nanette barto let a pile of handwriting

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samples sit on her desk for two months. Once she

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started going through them, instead of discounting a connection, she

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reached a conclusion she never expected.

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My opinion, Jack is indeed the author of the Zodiac letters.

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Jack Zodiac, a name that terrorized northern California for almost

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a decade. He would murder and then write to bear

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Ariia newspapers taking credit for his crimes. There have been

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many people of the years that have came forward claiming

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to know the identity of the Zodiac Killer. It seems

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to be an obsession for people all over the world,

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and it only seems to grow with time. His reign

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of terror began in nineteen sixty six, and after nineteen

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seventy four, Zodiac vanished just as mysteriously as he appeared.

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My name is Dennis Kaufman joined me in my journey

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for the truth.

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My name is Stephen Deverst. I'm an associate professor at Northern

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Arizona University. After investigating Dennis Kaufman, his evidence and his

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case for his stepfather being the Zodiac Killer, at this

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point point, I am completely convinced that Jack Terrence was

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in fact the Zodiac Killer, and probably a whole lot more.

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Just over a year after Mom's death, in June of

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two thousand, I was in Olympia, Washington visiting my sister.

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While I was there, a show came on television called

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Case Reopened by Lawrence Block. It was a documentary about

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the Zodiac Killer, who had eluded police for over thirty years.

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As I was watching the show, the hair on my

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arms stood up. It's like every question I ever had

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was answered. At that point I knew exactly who they

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were talking about. Here is a photo of Jack in

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nineteen sixty seven, and this composite of the Zodiac was

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done in nineteen sixty nine. The photo of Jack was

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taken in nineteen seventy three. The Sonoma composite was done

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in nineteen seventy five. Noticed the lazy left eye.

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In July of nineteen sixty nine, Zodiac's communications to the

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local barrier newspapers began. One went to the San Francisco Chronicle,

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another went to the San Francisco Examiner, and the third

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letter went to the Vallejo Times Herald.

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I took words from the Zodiac letters that he mailed

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to police, and I also took words from the letters

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that Jack sent me over the years.

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The top row of words.

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Is Zodiac's writing, and the road just beneath it is

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Jack's writing. You can see the similarities. The only difference

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I noticed in the writing.

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Was the letter A.

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If you look at the word page, you can see

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that the a's are different. Jack sometimes forgets and writes

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the letter A like he did on the Zodiac letters,

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the word act, and then we have the word age.

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Both of those a's are written like they are on

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the Zodiac letters. Then you have the word dad, which

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is Jack's normal style of his a. Zodiac's writing, we

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find the odds splitting of words. This is a letter

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that Zodiac sent to the San Francisco Chronicle in January

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of nineteen seventy four. If you look at the word

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comedy on the second line, you see the com then

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it's split in half and the idy continues.

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In the third line. There's plenty of room for that

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word to be written there. In Jack's writing we find

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this same odd splitting of words. The word automatically is

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cut off and the l y continues on the next line.

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Once again, there's plenty of room for that word to

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be written there. Another odd characteristic about Zodiac's writing is

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the odd spacing in his words. We find the same

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odd characteristics in Jack's writing, the odd spacing in his

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words in subordination, argumentive disregards, et cetera.

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After studying both authors, both Zodiac Letters and Jack's writing,

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you've come to the conclusion that Jack is the author

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of the Zodiac Letters. Correct, absolutely, Yeah, how and you

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are completely confident in your decision in.

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That absolutely With fifty five matching identifying traits, I believe

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that's more traits than I would find in any one

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individual examination that I've ever completed.

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It is very compelling to indicate that that.

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Many matches would ensure an author match between the Zodiac

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Letters and the writings of Jack Terrence.

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I remember the first time that I met Jack. I

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walked in the living room and he had his arm

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around my mother, and I walked over to him. I said,

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get your arm off of my mother. Well, he looked

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at me, and he says, we need to have a talk.

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So he took me in to bedroom and he gave

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me a whooping and he said, listen. He says, I

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don't want to be here any more than you want

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me here, but I have no choice. Well.

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I never knew what he meant.

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By that until now. This is Jack's hypnosis symbol. In

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his own writing.

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Zodiac uses the same symbol.

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On March nineteenth, nineteen seventy one, Zodiac mailed this card

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to the San Francisco Chronicle. It was mailed from Playlington, California.

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The card is a rendition of an area in Lake Tahoe.

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This is where we were living at the time. Jack

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had a court date in San Jose, California, the very

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same day that this postcard was mailed. He would have

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had to go right through Pleasington on his way to

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court that day. We were living in Southlake Tahoe. He

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would have took Highway fifty down through Sacramento, then on

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the six eighty south right through Pleasington. This is where

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the letter was mailed that day, and this is where

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his court date.

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Was in San Jose.

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On March seventeenth, nineteen seventy four, Jack was arrested for poaching.

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On July the eighth, nineteen seventy four, Zodiac mailed this

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letter from San Rafael, California. Just two days after this

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letter was mailed on July tenth. In nineteen seventy four,

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Jack was sentenced to thirty days in the county jail

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for his poaching incident. This is the first time that

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Jack had done an e jail time. Zodiac was never

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heard from again.

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Kay, Is it capable of.

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Doing something like murder?

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Yes?

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Oh, based on what I remember growing up.

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He has told enough stories that makes me think that

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he has him a murder.

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Hearing what I've heard, going out and committed cold blood

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and murders hard for me to believe. Is it possible?

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Yeah?

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Probably?

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And all I remember is him pulling out of pocket

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knife and needsed tob.

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Somebody, and I just remember horrified because I had no

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MoMA wants to see that.

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Now, what kind of statement is that?

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That was after he told me that him and him

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and Denny had killed that man in that cabin. So

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this was this is a story he told me him

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and Denny had done together together in northern California, had

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burned a man alive in the cabin.

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People come up to me and say, Dennis, why don't

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you move on with your life and get away from

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the zodiac case. Well, the answer to that is simple.

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Dug in love, Thans, deserts me.

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Thas Din.

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And up.

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Looking again.

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You can hear the pond.

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Lock before the storm like you can heal a lion

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when he stocks his phrase. He's moving like a shadow,

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creeping the body like a siren's ball. He's gonna have

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its way.

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The bad a lot.

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But get your bride, don't make a stand. Just got

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outside and you don't have life takes, don't try away,

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you'll lose your steaks.

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Bringbout this sadly.

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She's a nature.

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It's a nateral release.

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You will hear a footstep coming up on you, moping

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like a snake. And he's a complete control. This killer

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knows his business. He is a threat of tall.

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You want.

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It's only talking, you know, it's only call.

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What will you say?

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What will you do?

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Your wildness? Thy mask, My true girl is not man.

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You can't say, no way to change. You won't the lake.

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This gy will have his face. He's a nature of

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the pace. He's a nature of the pass.

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Most of the items I found in Jack storge shed

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when I searched it in two thousand and one were

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found in this green metal box. In December of nineteen

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sixty eight, a white Chevy and Paula was seen leaving

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the crime scene at the Lake Herman murders Well. During

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that time, Jack owned a white Chevy and Paula. In

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September of nineteen sixty nine, Zodiac attacked a young couple

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on the shores of Lake Berriessa. Witnesses reported seeing an

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ice blue two door Chevy and Paula that day Here's

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a photo of Jack in nineteen seventy one standing in

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front of his ice blue two door Chevy and Paula.

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This is Jack's hypnosis symbol. In his own writing, Zodiac

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uses the same symbol.

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Doctor Zodiac not audinatic criminal.

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He is man of great ego with disease.

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Known to science as pseudo logia FANTASTICA.

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Criminal egotist find pleasure in laughing at police. Jack was

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stationed at Treasure Island during the time this movie was

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playing there. In September of nineteen sixty nine, Zodiac attacked

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a couple on the shores of Lake Barriessa. At the

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crime scene, he left behind shoe impressions. Police were able

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to determine that they came from a rare military shoe

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called a wingwalker. They were designed for walking on the

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wings of airplanes. Jack would have had access to these

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military shoes when he was a technical supply sergeant for

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the United States Air Force. On June third, two thousand

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and three, I was at myself on the store and

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Jack was there too, and he found one of my

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guns that I had hidden her back. Well, I saw

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him with a gun, so I grabbed my pistol from

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underneath the counter, and luckily my little brother was in

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between us, because one of us probably would have shot

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each other. Well, just after this incident, a customer walked

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in named Tracy. She had been in my store prior

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to that, and I knew she was married to a sheriff.

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And she walked in my store and she could tell

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something was wrong, and I was trying to play it off,

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so you know, it wasn't obvious that something had just happened.

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And about that time, Jack came from the back and

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handed me something like a pencil. I don't remember what

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it was, but he handed me something and Tracy was

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like in shock like and she said, who is that man?

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I said, Tracy, you really want to know? And she said, yes,

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I do, so I told her and she left and

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there was three second went of sheriffs at my store

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within twenty minutes that she had sent down there, and

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they interviewed Jack. This is her story.

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Display I noticed there was a man standing at the

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door that the back door, and he was just staring

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at me, and I looked up and I said, Hi,

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how are you?

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And he just looked at me. He had no expression

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on his face whatsoever.

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It was very eerie, to say the least. So Dennis

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was saying, Tracy, could you please go get Ralph.

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Ralph is your expert.

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Fiance, he's a deputy sheriff. And I said, yes, I will,

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but what's going on here? And it was very weird.

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It was it was very scary, and I went to

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the parking lot. I got in my car and I

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called a news channel. I can't remember if it was

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thirteen three or ten, but it is on file. Yes,

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and I are you close to a sheriff's station?

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I said, well, yeah.

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I drove to the service center.

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I walked in and the lieutenant was in there, and

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I asked him, please go to the back with me.

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They all met me and followed me to the back.

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They knew me as with Ralph and everything exactly.

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And they sat down with me, and I was.

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Petrified they knew and I told him the story.

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They got on their.

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Phones and they were, you know, questioning me about this

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and that they were one of them or Brick was

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upset and saying, you know, this isn't cool, you know,

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to that effect that if this guy is making this up,

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this is not okay to tell the public that this

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person is the Zodiac Killer and make you this upset,

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of course, And I remember telling him, you know what,

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I don't know so much about the Zodiac Killer, but

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I can tell you one thing. This man that was

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standing there looking at me made my skin crawl. It

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was unbelievable.

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In February of nineteen ninety nine, my mother just had

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her leg amputated from just below the knee down due

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to diabetes. Well after she had her leg amputator, I

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noticed a red spot. It looked like it might be

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getting infected, so I didn't want to take any chances,

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so I talked to her into going to the hospital

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and having it checked out. When we arrived at EC

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Davis Medical Center in Sacramento, the doctor agreed that she

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needed to stay for a few days to watch it,

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make sure there was no infection, make sure the infection

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went away well while she was in the hospital. She

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was there for about three days and the doctor said

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she's okay to go home. So we said we'd be

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there tomorrow the next morning to pick her up to

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take her home, and the next morning she was found

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on a floor in a coma. Nobody knows what happened

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while my mother was on life support. I went to

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the hospital to visit her, and to my surprise, I

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was wanted for terrorist threats that I did not make.

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I was barely able to make out of the hospital

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without getting caught, so I sent my girlfriend Joy back

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down there to see what was going on. Come to

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find out, Jack stepdad had called the hospital and said

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it was me, and he threatened to kill the security guards.

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I was wanted for terrorist threads and my mother passed

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away before I was able to clear that up.

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Okay, when I was in Washington and we were visiting

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Charles and Jack called me into his room and and said, Mary,

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he says, I want to ask you something, and I

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want to annoy if if you really think that I'd

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kill Nora. And I said, well, Jack, all you have

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to do is search your conscience, and if you have

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a clear conscience, then you don't have to worry about anything.

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The plan for Zodiac's bomb came from the schematic of

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a UP fifteen teleprinter. These machines are used by Ham

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radio operators. Jack was a Ham radio operator. The bomb

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diagram when I left is Zodiac diagram, and the bomb

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diagram on the right is one that I found in

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jack storage when I searched it in two thousand and

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one j C.

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So that case, we have three different composites from three

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different counties. We have the San Francisco composite, it was

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done in nineteen sixty nine. Then we have the Sonoma

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County that was done in nineteen seventy five. Napa County

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had their.

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Own composite and it looked nothing like the others. Who

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was this mysterious man in this composite? This is Jack's

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oldest biological son, Denny. I remember reading the letter that

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he had sent his dad from Vietnam. The letter ended

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with Dad, you would love it over here. It's hunting

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season all year long. By March of two thousand and one,

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I was fed up with the answers I was getting

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from different law enforcement agencies regarding Jack's involved in the

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Zodiac case. So I decided I should call him just

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to see what he had to say. But before I

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called him, I had to find a way to make

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him feel comfortable about talking to me about his past.

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So what I did was I told him I discovered

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who he was, and I wanted to write a book,

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but it wouldn't be published till he was dead, and uh,

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he agreed to give him the information.

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But you know what I mean, but I wouldn't.

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Want to well, uh, after after he'd written as.

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Fiction now and after I'm gone.

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Uh for some days, I don't think it'll be long.

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Some days I feel like it'll be a long.

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Time lys from now, right, Yeah, yeah, right right, I

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I I just said, I'm, I'm.

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I don't want to play anything out there that's gonna

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bring your prosecution before you're gone. You know, it's not

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my intention, you know, Yeah, I just you know, I

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just picked myself and the answer that'll not you know,

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just listen to you closer, because I never lears thought that,

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you know, the most of the things I just.

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Didn't I and uh, they have.

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No proof, right, I could just get that circumstances, Yeah, right.

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Right, i'bout you worried about it, and.

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The people I know would.

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Bank right right, I think said, yeah, it was a.

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Known fact that it was me.

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On March thirteenth, nineteen seventy one, the Zodiac mailed this

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letter to the Los Angeles Times. It was mailed from Pleasanton, California.

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It says, this is the Zodiac speaking like I have

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always said, I am crackproof. If the Blue Minis are

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ever going to catch me, they had better get off

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their fat asses and do something, because the longer they

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fiddle and fart around, the more slaves I will collect

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for my afterlife. I do have to give them credit

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for stumbling across my riverside activity, but they are only

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finding the easy ones. There are a hell of a

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lot more down there. The reason that I am writing

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to the Times is this. They don't put me on

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their back pages like they did some of the others.

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San Francisco, PD zero Zodiac seventeen plus, One month after

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the murder of Sherry Joe Bates, her killer sent this

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confession letter to the Daily Enterprise. The letter begins with

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she was young, beautiful, but now she is battered and dead.

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She is not the first and she will not be

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the last. The killer claimed that he plunged the knife

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into her and it broke. Police also described the knife

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as being about three and a half inches long by

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half inch wide with a broken and bent tip. Well,

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this is a knife that I found in jack storichd

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when I searched it in two thousand and one, just

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six months after the murder of Sharry Joe Bates, her killer,

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sent three different letters. One of the letters went to

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the Riverside Police Department. It said Bates had to die,

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there will be more. Another letter went to Sherry Joe

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Bates' father, Joseph Bates. It said she had to die

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there will be more also. And the third letter that

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was mailed in April of nineteen sixty seven went to

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the Press Enterprise in Riverside as communications to local Barea

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newspapers began. Just like in Riverside, he sent three different letters.

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It seems as though Zodiac is fascinated with time. Zodiac

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sent a map of northern California to Bay Area newspapers,

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and over Mount Diablo he put his infamous symbol. But

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if you notice in his symbol, you see a three,

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six and nine, just as if it was a watch base.

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This is the watch that was found at the Sherry

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Joe Bates crime scene in nineteen sixty six in Riverside, California.

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The murder took place at about ten thirty pm, but

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this watch was stopped at twelve twenty three. If we

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use Mount Diablo as a centerpoint for the clockhands the

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murder of Sherry Joe Bates would be at twelve twenty

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three when I asked Jack specifically if he was a

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Zodiac Killer, listen to what he had to say.

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Killer might have to bagine things, say what can that mean?

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I remember when we were younger.

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He would take his campaign and when we got to

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our camping spot, he would take his AM radio, his map,

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and his compass. What he would do He'd take his

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AM radio and he'd find an AM station. He'd point

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the radio in that direction, and wherever the radio cut

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off at he knew there was a station in that direction.

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He would take two stations and do that with and

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he would take and draw a line and somehow pinpoint

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our location on the map. I never understood why he

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did this until now ended one of his letters with ps.

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The Mount Diablo code concerns radiance and inches along the radiance.

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This killer was after something completely different. Zodiac also sent

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a map of the Bay Area, and over the top

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of Mount Diablo he put his infamous symbol. Zodiac mentioned

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the word radiance in his letter, But what exactly is

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a radian? A radian is an angle of fifty seven

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point three degrees. But what did this have to do

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with Zodiac and Mount Diablo. In nineteen eighty a man

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by the name of Garth Penn made a pretty significant discovery.

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Garth Pen connected the murdercite of Paulsteine in San Francisco

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to the top of Mount Diablo, to to two known

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murder sites just outside Valleto, and connected into Mount Diablo.

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He discovered that it made an angle of fifty seven

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point three degrees, a perfect radiant.

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Well.

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I took Penn's theory and went a step further. I

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connected the crime scene at Lake barri Essa to the

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top of Mount Diablo, and I realized that it made

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an odd angle of sixteen point two degrees. I did

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not realize the significance he had at this point. I

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would later discover that six radians plus sixteen point two

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degrees make a complete circle. Mount Diablo is the center

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point for longitude and latitude. This year is the top

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of Mount Diablo centamori for longitude and latitude.

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Here's a center point.

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He said, you ways.

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To be my sister feels not to read something. I

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just answer.

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00:33:54.200 --> 00:34:01.000
Something dark and dress boy, call me word blow?

472
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.800
How it s you ways shut.

473
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:21.599
Don'tn't know which where it goes, but if you want

474
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.280
to un the milder.

475
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:28.079
Sail the stone.

476
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.679
If you want to walk do as the lower of

477
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.960
the shadow. A day verage arived?

478
00:34:43.320 --> 00:35:02.960
Where go and no Jo? I don't know which way?

479
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:13.920
You know? You got a shoe house?

480
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:23.400
Who has jumped the show?

481
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:26.360
Where more on the mountains?

482
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:39.079
Stand on the store more? Well? You shallow it.

483
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:54.159
When we.

484
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:29.760
Probably the most famous of San Francisco homicide cases in

485
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:33.880
terms of unsolved cases, is a Zodiac case. And literally

486
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:39.320
every day we receive some type of notification message in

487
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:41.679
the mail or a phone call. Now we even get

488
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:47.400
email messages regarding this case. And so it was decided

489
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:50.760
that the case would be reactivated and assigned to an

490
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:55.400
active homicide team. There's a sub set of the population

491
00:36:55.519 --> 00:37:00.719
that is obsessed with the case. To some it's like

492
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:01.320
a religion.

493
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:12.800
Yeah, I appreciate it. After Joy and I went to

494
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:17.239
the FBI and they listened to our story and I

495
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.159
turned Jack in. We both went back to our storage

496
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.119
shed and we just kind of it was very sad

497
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.880
because at that point I thought I was going to

498
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:30.239
be putting Jack in prison, and my younger brother, Jack

499
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.599
was his real dad and he had just lost his mother.

500
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:34.960
Now I's going to be taking his dad away from two.

501
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.320
Then the reality hit of what was really going on.

502
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.119
I think at that point, after about a year of

503
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.639
dealing with the Zodiac thing, my girlfriend Joy couldn't take

504
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.360
it anymore, so she moved up to Washington State with

505
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.599
her aunt and kind of got her own life going.

506
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.079
I stayed behind because I had to work on the case.

507
00:37:55.760 --> 00:38:02.840
I felt obligated. After about six months, I decided I

508
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:05.519
had had enough of the cases myself as well, and

509
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.280
I went to Washington to pick up Joy to bring

510
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:11.480
her back. Before I could bring her back, I had

511
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:13.639
to have something to bring her back too, So I

512
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.559
talked to my uncle and he was going to help

513
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.280
us start up a new cell phone store and help

514
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:21.639
us get on our feet again. And he did, and

515
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:23.800
in February of two thousand and two, we had got

516
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:26.239
our business going, our cell phone store, had our own

517
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:30.800
place for once, and everything was like it was before.

518
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:33.519
I was actually happy again. I had left the Zodiact

519
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:35.559
thing alone and we were we were making we were

520
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.960
making money. Everything was good, but that was about to

521
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:47.360
suddenly change. Our business had been successful our first month.

522
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:49.840
We were doing really good. We had our own place

523
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.840
and everything was good and out of the blue. Jack

524
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:57.199
shows up at our front door from Texas, and I

525
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.960
told him, Jack, you can't stay here, and he talked,

526
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.440
we need to letting him stay one night and the

527
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:04.400
following day he was to go to his brother's house.

528
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:06.920
His brother's house, it was just down the road, his brother, Dawn.

529
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.639
And MY biggest mistake was letting him stay that one night.

530
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.199
After we all went to bed, we heard banging on

531
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.360
the walls and Jack was banging on the walls and

532
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.320
the neighbors were banging back, and we were afraid we

533
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.760
were gonna lose our place that we'd just gotten. So

534
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:25.719
I I couldn't take him where. I called the cops

535
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.800
on Jack and told him that I wanted to s

536
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:33.119
man out of my house. Well, the cops took Jack

537
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:34.920
outside and talked to him. It wasn't but two or

538
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.559
three minutes before he had him convinced that he had dementia.

539
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:40.440
So one of the cops came over to me and says,

540
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.199
your dad suffers from dementia, and uh, there's nothing we

541
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:46.960
can do. We can't remove him from your house. And

542
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.760
I said, well, he's not welcome here. Then the police

543
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.800
officer proceeded to tell me that not only can we

544
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.079
not move him from your house, if you kick him out,

545
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:58.159
we're gonna charge you with a felony for abandonment of

546
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:04.599
an elderly person. At this point, I had enough. I

547
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:08.840
went up to my room and I grabbed my pistol.

548
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:11.679
I couldn't take any more. He was not going to

549
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:16.239
ruin my life again at this point, and Joy wound

550
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:17.800
up running out of the front door. And that was

551
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.639
the last time I seen her. And now I'm stuck

552
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.119
living with a man that murdered my mother, and all

553
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:26.639
of a sudden, my life has did a one hundred

554
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:28.360
degree return everything.

555
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:32.440
Parson Lee Yellen did not donate the biological material that

556
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:37.079
was recovered from the stamp or the soodiac correspondence that

557
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:38.920
yielded this result.

558
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.039
When you write, you rest the heel of your palm,

559
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.800
a very characteristic part of it on the paper. And

560
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:52.239
people in those days weren't really aware that you could

561
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:54.920
leave a palm print that it could be identified. They

562
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:58.239
knew about fingerprints, but the public really wasn't that aware

563
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:00.800
of palm prints. Were able to obtain palm prints from

564
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.119
Arthur Lee Allen. It was compared to the one that

565
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.639
had been developed earlier and they don't match. That is

566
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.599
not Arthur Allen's palm print.

567
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.559
I worked with several law enforcement agencies on this case

568
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:20.400
trying to bring Jack Tarns to justice. Had fairly good

569
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:24.000
cooperation with just about everyone that I worked with, except

570
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.679
for the San Francisco Police Department.

571
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:31.159
I have never quite dealt with people like them.

572
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:38.000
But it's not a good thing when you're dealing with

573
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:41.400
a murderer to be more worried about getting the credit

574
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:41.840
for something.

575
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:45.000
You need to get this man off the streets. That

576
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.360
should be number one priority, not who gets the credit

577
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:47.920
for doing it.

578
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.880
The options are this identify or eliminating a suspect as

579
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:58.320
the Zodiac killers, and I at CBS thirteen has uncovered

580
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:00.960
a major roadblock in the instigation.

581
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:03.679
It's a lack of cooperation, not from a person like

582
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:06.679
you might imagine, but from a police department. Chris Pickel

583
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:08.599
is in the newsroom with these new developments.

584
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:12.760
Well, the FBI began collecting DNA evidence last year, and

585
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.519
now we know why there are no results. The police

586
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:20.360
agency that has most of the original evidence isn't sharing.

587
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.760
Does it looked like someone intentionally altered the letters? Absolutely,

588
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:28.320
Dennis claims The changes began to appear after he showed

589
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:32.039
his stepfather's handwriting to the San Francisco Police Department in

590
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:35.519
two thousand and one and posted samples on the Interne

591
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:39.599
has uncovered what has been slowing down the FBI's investigation

592
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.039
the San Francisco Police Department. The FBI has been asking

593
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.519
since two thousand for nine years to see the department's evidence.

594
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.480
So far, they've been shut out. Come to San Francisco

595
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:57.559
tomorrow and interviewee regarding to Zodiac, Sorry I don't hear it.

596
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:01.119
The San Francisco Police Department denied our multiple phone and

597
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:05.400
email requests for an interview, specifically asking if they will

598
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:09.239
allow the FBI to examine their evidence. And although the

599
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.440
department has shown the evidence to reporters in the past,

600
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:16.320
our request to see what evidence the department still has.

601
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:24.480
We're shot down, you know, the kind.

602
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:26.239
Of annoyed me, you know, as I called them.

603
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.960
Initially, our laboratory was committed to.

604
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.920
A thirty day turnaround the right, so we would you know, we.

605
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:35.559
Would have been somewhat further ahead than where we are now.

606
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:38.880
Absolutely, but you know, everyone and then because of such

607
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:42.599
a high profile meal right, everyone wanted to in the one,

608
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:43.079
you know.

609
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.760
I was the one, you know, right, and that was

610
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:47.719
my case, and.

611
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.960
None of them right wrong to say that everybody work

612
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.760
together with everybody, you.

613
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:54.400
Know, that's right.

614
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:59.159
You know you went into this every down then with.

615
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:00.000
The petty cot.

616
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.679
I'm sure that the.

617
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:06.360
Real person here right well, wasn't anything that Kelly Keller.

618
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:10.440
Did that identified this guy at the Zonia because you.

619
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:12.719
Had done you a homework and you got it.

620
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:13.679
In here right.

621
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.760
This is the property that Jack owned in nineteen seventy four.

622
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.119
My partner Robert Manner, and I decided to revisit this

623
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.559
place and just have a look around and just see

624
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:36.320
if we noticed anything. And when we got there, the

625
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:38.880
owner was very cooperative. We explained to her what was

626
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:43.360
going on, and at that point we decided to run

627
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.800
cadabra dogs across the property to see if they picked

628
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:49.000
up any scent. In January of two thousand and eight,

629
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:51.920
we ran the cadaver dogs across the property and they

630
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:56.039
did pick up scent. We marked the locations where they

631
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:58.199
picked up the scent, and a couple of weeks later,

632
00:44:58.239 --> 00:44:59.960
a week came out and we dug in those area

633
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:03.599
is and we found what appeared to be human remains.

634
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:06.559
These human remains have been turned over to the FBI

635
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:14.880
for evaluation. Sometime around nineteen ninety, Jack asked me about

636
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.159
this old piece of equipment that I had. He made

637
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:18.639
the comment to me that if I ever get rid

638
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:21.280
of it, then he wanted it well. At the time,

639
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:22.360
I didn't give it much thought.

640
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:27.039
Several years later, in two thousand and five, he asked

641
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.840
me about the same piece of equipment, and once again

642
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.159
I didn't give it much thought at the time. A

643
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:33.960
few years later, in two thousand and eight, I was

644
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:37.039
going through my things and I ran across this.

645
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:40.320
Thing that he'd been asking about, this pa head. I

646
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:42.159
was surprised that I still had it, because we'd been

647
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.159
through a couple RECs, and it was just amazing that

648
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:52.039
I had it still. I decided to open it, but

649
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.000
I had no idea what I was about to.

650
00:45:54.920 --> 00:46:30.199
See anything, and.

651
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:05.599
A town.

652
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:54.360
Nevy in a found.

653
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:28.679
I'm cutting not okay, I didn't know what I'm doing.

654
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:47.039
Many zoo think many vo