Jan. 11, 2025

Solves and Mysteries ATKID

Solves and Mysteries ATKID

Several solves to the communications in the ATKID cases will be covered by Harriette Sucher. She also believes that she has found a letter that she believes decodes the missives that the Zodiac code was a Washington era code, and that Jack was a...

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Several solves to the communications in the ATKID cases will be covered by Harriette Sucher. She also believes that she has found a letter that she believes decodes the missives that the Zodiac code was a Washington era code, and that Jack was a chosen one well before his time. If all other plans like presidency are groomed and planned well in advance, it doesn’t seem so strange that operatives can be as well. Conclusion of ATKID conviction of Wayne Williams, questions LE should be answering.

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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Let's welcome to the show today, Harriet Soouchet.

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Yeah, good morning. I'm I'm hoping we're going to cover

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the Holy Grail Fall.

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I've got them all in there for this week, so

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we're going to cover as much as we can. And

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then I'd like to also welcome to the show.

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Nolan del Campoll, good morning, everybody.

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Good morning. All right, So last week we left off

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and of course, my my I phone, I'm sorry, my

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iPods had taken a crap on me just at the

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last minute when Harriet and I were talking about one

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of her songs. So I'm going to get us right

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back to that if I can. Hello, come on, now,

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there we go. Actually, I put in here first this

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soul that you have from the letter from nineteen twenty four, Harriet.

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It was a letter between two gold painters, right.

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Yeah, two prospectors. Think, Oh my god. When I saw that,

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I said, I think, sorry to hear your ass. It's

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a dragon and there's two prospectors. I said, this is

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no zodiac. It's so early.

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Okay, well, but and my bat question was, is.

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Noose they get this really quick? There are many people

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are saying they assume the guy that's the dead deathbed

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guy that's going to put something in the San Francisco Examiner,

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his name John.

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W.

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Jack's well before Jack. So this is May twenty eighth

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of nineteen twenty four, that this letter's written correct.

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Well, it's there's so many people are saying it's an

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alleged coded letter. They're not sure when it's written. I

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saw that, I said, I know this system. This is

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nineteen forty two, and I was like, oh my god,

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where's the Z for zodiac code? And I find it

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in the other prospector who's supposed to be a friend.

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Oh god, I was. I mean, I'm all tore up here,

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and I'm packed leaping out of the bed while I

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saw this coded letter well.

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And it says the copy was enclosed in one of

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the letters from Brown, which was dated May twenty eighth,

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nineteen twenty four, so it says it's the only dated

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and authenticated copy in existence. So they are stating, at

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least on face value, that this was dated May twenty

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fourth of nineteen twenty four, which I know is well

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before Jack and well before Zodiac and all of those things.

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But you found that it contained similar similar decoding. What

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did you call it?

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You said, a penographic code including the date ye a

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Granmt And it comes out as August ninth, nineteen forty two,

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and it's before Jack is fully in the military. I mean,

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there's so much information there, and I was so thrilled

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to get it done, even though I'm all laid up

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here right.

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It's a very interesting one. I did read it briefly

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to just kind of let everybody know what this letter

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was stating was basically a gold miner had found a

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pocket of gold, in which case it was deep in

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the mountains, and he was not well at the time

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when he found it, and it was able to get

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out of there with a small amount, but he had

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then hidden the rest and he was attempting to let

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his partner or buddy that does gold mining as well,

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know where this area was in case he didn't make

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it back, that his buddy could go and find this.

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And they were actually using the San Francisco Examiner to

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get their messages back and forth, which is kind of

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consistent with what we've been seeing with the mob and

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with the newspapers and with the Zodiac cases, in which

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case they're using the media as their way to get

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messages to each other. So I'm just going to go

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straight to the solve for this on you. Do you

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have that to read or do you want me to

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read it?

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Harriet?

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I know what the salt says because I know what

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the birds were, and I think whoever puts the steal

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background stuff and then a partial anyways, it says one

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DTTT nicknamed FDR, the message you entered was the deet

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for determined lost over Vancouver Camp. And then it goes

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dash dash A Dasha's one data has it's proving that

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the message was lost. But here's the coup de gras

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two Nixon slash trueman found old seceded year General George

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Washington zodiac code new underline now only in use. Each

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send out acknowledgement William Randolph Hurst their Francisco l A

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g O for George Hodell, I l ll at Illinois

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for Monreey, and then the two nomos because of their minors.

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If I understand it anyways, Robert, I'm sorry, valiant Ark

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and John Walker hearnce the second. Then it says also

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our r s O this Regional Security or Strategy Office

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Stminster Abbey JK, which is Joseph Kennedy. And then I

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believe it ends with thank you Regional Security Office Daddigan,

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Holy See, New York ab for just the archbishop. So

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when I saw that, I said, why would it just

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be signed archbishop? Then I'm finding out it's Archbishop Philman,

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who knew the Kennedys, who knew the UK people who

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knew FDR. I said, well say it. So we got

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the classic fourties for to tell the truth. And then

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we've got the Holy See. We just did the show

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about a week or so ago where the Holy See

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had finally found some extra stuff left over in New

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York for Jack.

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I mean, there's the remedy, is what you're saying.

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Yeah, So this is this is all Cold War. Well

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it's going to be the Cold War, but it's an

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empty ultra starting around the early nineteen forties, you know,

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the LAC stuff. I mean, there's so much in there,

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and so that early solved is confirming all future solves

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so many.

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So they're saying, this is a new system that was

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the use of it began in nineteen forty two, is

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what you're saying.

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Yeah, and we got solved that We've done shows where

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Jack is trying to confess until he's booing the face

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that it's the old Zodiac Seceedier code that Nixon and

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Truman down, which is ninety nine point ninety nine sent

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hard to hard to falls you know, by most people,

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because it's a couple hundred years old.

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So it's not new, it's new to their use, but

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it was made up you're saying during President Washington's time.

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Yeah, it's eighteenth century, and it goes back to actually

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the sixteenth century cardonald real cipher methods and all this stuff.

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How they used it then. So it's the most people

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are not thinking, you know, like it was, you know,

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the sixteen seventienth and eighteenth century. So that's how it

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was able to pass through all these systems, and you know,

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people in China couldn't figure it out. The Russian's going

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to figure it out, but you had the people in

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charge in America, and I think parts of the UK

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they could understand it, especially if you were dyslexic. I din'tlexic.

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Yeah, okay. And that takes us to where we left

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off last week, which is the Hello, it's me letter.

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And for those that are catching up or if this

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is the first time you're hearing about this letter, this

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is a letter that is sent in in regards to

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the Atlanta, Georgia child killer in the app kid case,

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and it says, Hello, it's me. Haven't you people figured

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out who is killing these little people yet? I'll give

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you a hint. I used to be in San Francisco.

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I used to stop women, but I like to kill

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children now, and all my victims' bodies I have left

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certain clues, but I guess it's too much for you

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rebels to handle, so I guess I'll have to tell you.

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I'll try to kill children. I like to. I don't

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know what he meant to say here, kill children because

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they are so easy to pick off. By the way,

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if you still have letters from the other murders, I

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am not writing in the same handwriting. So now we're

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going to discuss that solve, which I believe you started

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to get into, but I lost sound last week, and

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you believe that this has a lot to do with everything,

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including Wayne Williams, Atlanta child Killer, the Crane murder. So

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this really kind of stifered out to a whole lot

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of different things. You want to go ahead and read

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that one for us, Well.

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I don't have it to see right now, but I

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know it says something to the effect.

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Do you want me to read it in front of me?

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You can read it. This has got the fourties in there.

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Anyways, go and see what we got here. So let's see.

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So this is the Atlanta child Killer letter from three

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to eight of eighty one. It's the letter and the

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envelope message together and it says facsimile thirty eight eighty

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one six one. What does that all mean?

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Is that like a I think it's military time.

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Thirty eight eighty one military.

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Yeah, he's using military time because he's addressing the carter.

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It just left, but they I think Carter had dropped

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away from the military, then maybe, but I think he

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was secretly still with him.

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So I feel like this is more of an address.

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I feel like this is more of an address because

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thirty eight eighty one is not even a number in

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the number system for military. It's only goes to twenty four.

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So thirty eight eighty one six one one one, Mount

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two O nine one, Woodland dot Drive Plans Georgia. Is

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that any of that?

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You know?

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Oh? Definitely. Carter had his Secret Service there with him

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in Plains, Georgia, which us there in a secret Service office.

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So then it says, mister Carter, you actually did answer question.

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And I have the Holy See. Arch Bishop Terrence Cook

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of New York, who's.

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That He's the archbishop that followed Spillman and knew the Kennedys.

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Okay of New York Twin Towers attention. Even UC Davis

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have saved ou sick? What's the OEU?

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He had an I just he was going temporarily blind,

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so they fixed his eyes. Ah, secular obika t something

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like that. So he's he's well, he's like, he's he's

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just so happy. He's well, I'll be from.

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From grave used to be Zodiac fame I'm fine off

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mk ultra still Okay, to tell the what is that?

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T T T T is to tell the truth?

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Yes, fourteen okay A Liberty Bell, Liberty Bell Americana series, HBL,

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Saliva Image Stamp do Future e d e O Executive Order,

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Dan Order.

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And danto is doctor Dante out of the Oakland County

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Child Murders I Franklin Club Retirement Community eighty eight chef.

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What's that.

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Christopher Bush? They faked his deaf?

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Uh?

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Oh, we made deals switch classified Trenton State Hospital and

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Trenton State Hospital is that the one that's in Canada?

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Now that's the amp Rex lawyers where they start getting

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the Trenton stuff in the amp Rex anyways, so standing

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out time.

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Hospital. Let's see WPP. What is WPP? Dan Cooper?

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Oh, that's his Protection program.

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Dan Cooper. Okay, WFA body last named broad? What is that.

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The WFA? According to this Paul, there's another one saying

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the same thing that they stashed Daniel B. Cooper as

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a white female adult in that Trenton hospital on ice.

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So they oh he was dead at that point.

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Yeah, they had shot down the real Dan Cooper. November

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nineteen seventy one just you know, days before the dB

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Cooper events. So they did retrieve his body and then

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they stashed him under a female in New Jersey.

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So this is him, gotcha? So id I shot head

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unders sheet eleven, nineteen seventy eight, What does that mean?

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That means where the Christopher Bush location in. There's a

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body under the sheet and he said he shot a

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dead body. See, they had decided to save his wife.

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There were three poe that year. So the third pope

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is John Paul, the second saying we're not going to

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do this. We're going to save this guy's life. We're

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trying to get the Nazis, not him.

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So him, who's him?

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Oh? The original exit, the original execute order because of

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what the people were above with was still uh. They

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thought a version of getting even was to get these

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kids of these people who helped the Nazis get to America.

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But the third Pope is that you're saying, no, we're

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not doing that. We're going to save this guy's life.

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Saying Chris Bush's life.

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Yes, and you can look into your blue in the face.

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But there are no records of Christopher Brian Busch's suicide.

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And that's even according to other websites. You were scratching

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their heads. How come there's no record of the South

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Side for this guy, but there is listening the paper

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that says he's dead. That's it. They faked his death.

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I can you know, I'm just a codebreaker, and then.

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Attempted to blame and then attempted to blame the Oakland

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County child murders on him as a pazzi basically.

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As yes and no. I think it logically is that

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he's supposed to cooperate to help get these other Nazis

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that they're really after, and it's a global it's a

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global thing that's including Carter at the time, to get

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them and get them to justice. I can serve justice.

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What is I E.

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That A means it is or thereafter? So therefore they marry.

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Three oh one Chris Bush, nut House, Kathy King, Mary

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two still alive to tell the truth. One for F thirteen.

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Let's one for afterirteen Nazi shaloon.

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That's the code for how they were killing Jews mainly. Uh.

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The F is German for briefly for the German word

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for for death. I can't remember what it is, but

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it's their code. So they were going around in cars

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and picking up the Jews, mainly the Jews, and then

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bringing them the death camp. You know, telling the kids

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were going to take you to see your mom, but

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they took them to death.

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And then the Bible qucher hands at ELR print passports.

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Yeah, say that runs your botcher a bunch of passports

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for these guys that helped them get to the United States.

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And then you had two Nazi symbols. Albert Dutcher to

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die and oh sorry, next, I'm sure I'm reading different lines.

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Next on twelve nineteen Burlington Northern Station, Cicero, Cicero, Illinois.

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Yeah, it's where he worked, and he does die that day,

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and they still can't confirm whether he was suicided or

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whether he was murdered, but he dies on the train

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that he worked worked at.

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So Albert Duer was a former Nazi that has been

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brought here to the United States or what did he

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smuggle himself in here and nobody's aware that he was

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actually a Nazi? Or do you believe he was brought

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in by the government such as like the scientists and

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other individuals. We've seen them them house after you know, operation.

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Saying that.

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That people helped sneak them through the the Operation of

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Freedom from you know, in the Vietnam Vietnam to South Vietnam,

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and the Catholics were brought and they were tending to

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be nurses. I'm not nurses. I got a nurse. Hello,

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I'm Harriet Sushi. I'm gonna mute too, Okay, hold on,

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I got all.

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Right, Well, I'm gonna read this and then we can

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have her catch up when she's done. So to tell

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the truth, Nixon sent one nineteen seventies palm Beach mar

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A Lago for his nunc perform autopsy. Marjorie Alette photos

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sent to Gray Smith ers Earth, Rice Stamp, pauloween card,

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got a toy I issue, Got toy I issue? Reagan

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ultimatum five pm, h A kind gentle meek Pope, Carol will.

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I won't be able to pronounce that name. W J

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T l A. It looks like is oh there you are.

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I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to go because

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there's here to look at my.

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Okay, all right, I'll let you go and then I'll

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I guess I don't know.

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If you read the most important that's the coup de gras.

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Well, I haven't finished it yet. I had more solves

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in here. So if you go, then I'm going to

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I don't know what to do that that this is

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the show today.

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Okay, I gotta go. I get three dogs here a bye.

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All right, Well, we're gonna try and make sense of

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this ourself. Let's see where was I at Earth? Rice stamp,

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Halloween card, got toy, I issue Reagan ultimatum five. I

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don't know what the hh kind is, gentle meek Pope,

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Carol woj Lah. Yeah, I'm not gonna be able to

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say that as if you could request shitty President Reagan

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get gs I. I I suggest look over by South

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Lake Tahoe in t n F you pee off eighty

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and twenty. I think that it's probably indicating where donal

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Las's remain were found. Yeah, by five three hundred and

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eleven feet. So she's they're saying that that's the level

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on the mountain that they'd find her helped don alas

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r n family swearing them private investigator get victims bodies. FYI,

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my wife thirty even give me one male baby. So

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this letter, being written in nineteen eighty one, does actually

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come in after the fact that Charles is born, which

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is Jack's biological son from Nora, so it is chronologically

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correct in that timeframe. If this is one of the

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first times he's speaking about actually having had a son.

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So she says, this is the whole This was the Atlanta,

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Georgia child killer mailing in this Hello it's me letter

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saying haven't you people figured out who is killing these

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little people? I'll give you a hint. I used to

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be in San Francisco and I used to stalk women,

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So it's coming across as though it's a zodiac letter.

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He says he's writing, and he's not writing in the

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same hand, and he splits it hand and writing, and

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Dennis and I discussed the fact that Jack was amidextrous,

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he would actually write with both hands. So while and

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I think we can actually move on to let me see,

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we're gonna find well, No, I talked about it last week,

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I believe in regards to this letter, and the FBI

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or handwriting examiners had mentioned that they believed that there

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were that the line quality and there were some differences

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in it. However, they found that the characteristics were still

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consistent with the zodiac so as if to say that

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one of the things that would change the items that

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they stated were different in this handwriting would be somebody

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simply changing hands. You're not as well homed in. You've

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got irregular line quality because you're not as well habituated

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with those muscle movements in the non dominant hand, So

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that would cause things to be a little more shaky,

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a little less straight and fluid, but that the characteristics

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of the actual writing itself were consistent with the Zodiac

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Killers writing. So for me, if Jack had swapped hands,

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that would overcome the presumption that those differences are now

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no longer differences, but explained by the fact that he

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used the non dominant hand to write. And meanwhile, like

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I tell anybody, if you break your if you're right

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handed and you break your right arm and you have

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to write with your left hand while that that hand

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is casted up and healing, then you're you're going to

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have these the inability to have the muscle control. So

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you'll find that, you you know, not exactly specific when

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you draw a line, it may be a little shaky,

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it may be tremorous, and and you'll see the unevenness

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of the actual handwriting and the slants will go back

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and forth. There are specific things that are going to

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happen when you write with your non dominant hand. However,

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the form is what comes from your brain. So the construction,

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the shape, the amount of strokes that it takes to

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make those letters, all of those are something that are

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that are emanated from the brain. So those things remain

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the same. And I actually tested somebody who had had

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made the same statement that they broke their hand, had

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to use the opposite hand. His handwriting looked nothing alike.

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So I asked him, there then and there, go ahead

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and write this message for me. And he did it

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with his dominant hand, because it had been quite some

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time since he had broke his hand. And then I

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asked him to repeat the same message with his non

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dominant hand. And after he was done with them, yes,

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one looked like he was a little drunk. The other

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one looked just like his normal handwriting. But when I

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showed him all the consistencies in the form, the construction,

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the shape, the amount of strokes taken to do it,

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all of those things were still there. It just was

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like he had had too much to drink, or was

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maybe on some medication that caused his motor skills to

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be a little, you know, laxadaisical. So that's what I

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take from that particular FBI foy A message is that

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they're stating those differences in line quality and shakiness is irregular,

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but all of the characteristics that they were looking for

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are consistent with the Zodiac stuff. She has another solve

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on here, and this one is from the doctor Danto letter.

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This one at least is typed out, and it's not

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in her coded form, so I can actually read this,

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and it says Naperville State Hospital, doctor Emmanuel Toenay, you

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deprogrammed every secret thing. Patty Hurst to tell the truth.

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I did kill Richard Nixon's trader, Robert Stebbins boy in

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Oakland County and Fort Collins third Reich eighty eight. Hyle Hitler,

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land owner General Electric fer Me Nuclear Power Plant. JW.

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Heilik daughter then nineteen fifty four Vice President Nixon, un

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funded Vietnamese passage to Freedom. US Navy Barry kingsboy Uir

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is ube loose remedium? Where is the remedy? Doctor Tanay,

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please help me. Now everybody has to remember that this

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is back from nineteen seventy six. So even though he

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is in this recent solve we just talked about, he

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has received that remedy and he's grateful for it. I'm

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backtracking to a solve that Harriet didn't have prepared at

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the time that I read the doctor Dante letter from

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the Oakland County child Murders, which was nineteen seventy six.

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In nineteen seventy seven, and I believe that this letter

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came in at some point in nineteen seventy seven, so

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it is previous to him stating that he's got the cure.

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So it says, where is the remedy? Doctor Tanay, Please

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help me. I'm ill and I'm desperate. Please save me.

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I'm under shitty deviant Sidney Gottlieb Mind Control Program President

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Carter send half value layer radiation exposure saliva saliva liberty

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bell image letter to the police. You must help this

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killer named jwt oeu Oculus Turk. Both eyes are ill

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nearly gone crazy. Please as there is no one else.

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Do you have the red stamp ad use for the

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use for the Sunday LSD after Midnight remedy? If true,

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please send it In a letter to Noman Nesio Dennis

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Kaufman Senior, beautiful wife Nora who's now with me in Cotton, Minnesota,

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signed a Utica Community School vendor Noman NEESO. JW. Terrence.

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Now that kind of just gave me goosebumps right there.

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We can discuss this, Nolan, because I do have some

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background on this. So we know that in seventy six

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seventy seven, Jack and Nora are in in Minnesota, so

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that message is consistent with the timeframe. We do know

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that at some point in time the kids actually went

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to Michigan to live with Nora Kaufman's ex husband, So

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her children are all from a man that lived in Michigan,

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which is relatively close and where the child Oakland County

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child murders occurred. So he's asking them to send the

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remedy it looks like to Dennis Kaufman Senior, which would

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be Dennis Kaufman's dad, and Dennis Kaufman is the client

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who hired me, and he's also stating that they are

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in fact in Cotton, Minnesota, so there are some consistencies.

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The timeframe once again matches. It always kind of blows

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me away when the information is consistent with what we

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know is going on at that time, and the soul.

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Where was it originally said to who was the recipient

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this letter? Was?

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The was the it's supposedly the the individual that was

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assisting the Oakland County childburner. He's stating that he's an

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accomplice by virtue of he's there when the killer is

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bringing these kids in. Do you remember that type written

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letter that was sent to the therapist, doctor Danto in

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the Oakland County child murder case. It was quite a

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long letter. He's attempting to sound like he's you know,

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English isn't his first language. However, we found that the

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type print in here, or the use of the number

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eight instead of the apostrophe, is consistent with the typed

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out letters and the dear draft board letters. So he's

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he's sending this letter to doctor Danto, the therapist, saying

459
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:46.880
he'll turn himself in if he's given immunity. But he's

460
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.920
afraid that, uh, that the killer is going to kill

461
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.759
him for having reached out. And of course he never

462
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.319
appears or shows up at the location where he says

463
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:58.480
he'll turn himself in. So again it's one of these

464
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.720
scenarios where we get these letters where I believe it's

465
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.640
actually the suspect that's writing him. He claims that he'll

466
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.759
turn himself in, usually at a bar. That's the way

467
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:09.880
the progression of these letters have gone, all the way

468
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:12.799
back to George at Bauerdor. I'll turn myself into a bar.

469
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:16.799
And then you know they're obviously there waiting to pick

470
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.920
this person up, and that person never avails themselves to

471
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:24.799
anybody at the bar. So that letter then was supposed

472
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.559
to have been followed up by a message. He even

473
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.640
states it in the letter that put in the newspaper.

474
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.240
You know, three weeks till snow or whatever it is.

475
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.039
Let me see, oh the trees to bloom in three weeks.

476
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.440
So again we see this individual who's very familiar with

477
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.039
we're sending messages back and forth between the newspapers and media.

478
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.680
We're using the media basically as our communication. And he

479
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.720
says that if doctor Dante puts that in, then he'll

480
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:53.519
know that he has his immunity and he can turn

481
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:58.400
himself in. We didn't see that happen, unfortunately. Well that

482
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:00.559
brings us to the ghost killer letter, and this is

483
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.720
a new letter in the Oakland. I'm sorry. In the

484
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.079
Atlanta Georgia child killer case. And this one was extremely

485
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.400
interesting to me because this is where I started to think,

486
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.319
why would a serial killer, Why would a serial killer

487
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:17.799
state that politicians are running around scared because of him?

488
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.640
I have no idea, right, well, this is something out

489
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:24.920
of Jack's book or Jack out of Dennis's book. If

490
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.160
Jack was killing during this time, when did he have

491
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.200
time to do these murders? And I know that we've

492
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:33.079
read this before, but he says nineteen seventy nine, nineteen

493
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:34.920
eighty and nineteen eighty one. Now, you guys have to

494
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.240
remember that this book was produced before I discovered that

495
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:42.160
Jack was part of the Atlanta at the Atlanta, Georgia

496
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:46.640
child killing cases. And we know that specifically these particular

497
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.759
murders occurred seventy nine, eighty and eighty one. And then,

498
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:52.599
just like the Zodiac fell off the face of the

499
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.640
earth and many others, the Oakland County child murders. Once

500
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.920
these series of murders were done, it was as if

501
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:02.799
you never heard from this individual ever. So in Dennis's book,

502
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:06.559
produced before he even met me, he talks about Jack

503
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:09.319
having this time during seventy nine, eighty and eighty one

504
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:12.240
to kill and that's because he would sit date that

505
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.680
he's going camping with Dennis and his friend, but then

506
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.039
he would literally drop them off at camp and Jack

507
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:21.960
would disappear for days and weeks at a time. And

508
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:26.319
so I just I have this as a backup, because

509
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.400
we've discussed it before, to give or show that Jack

510
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.079
had the ability to be traveling and doing whatever he

511
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:34.359
wanted to do and nobody was aware of him even

512
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.920
being gone. Because Dennis wasn't about to say a word

513
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.119
to his mother or anybody else. He enjoyed the freedom

514
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.960
and being away from Jack. So this is what this

515
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.400
letter reads. It says, well, you're all afraid. You're all

516
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.920
upset because none of those cops have caught me yet.

517
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.799
I've struck again and didn't leave a clue. Now the

518
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.599
whole city doesn't know what to do. You finally found Louby,

519
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.839
He's been there all the while. Keep looking, you might

520
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:03.559
find another child. You think that the number stops at nineteen, Man,

521
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:06.480
there are some things you haven't seen. When night, some

522
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.160
kids got killed in a fire. I struck the match,

523
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.279
so the depthole is higher, but you can't seem to

524
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.680
catch me. I wonder why thousands of you see me

525
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.880
every day when I pass by. It's pathetic to know

526
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.759
that I can get away with first degree murder on

527
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:26.000
any chosen day. Politicians are worried as the plot thickens.

528
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:30.519
Leaders running around like headless chickens, all different cops can't

529
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.480
cooperate with the others. You'll never catch me, you bumbling mothers.

530
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.880
Go back from the ridiculous to the sublime, and you'll

531
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:41.200
find that I've been with you every time. You'd better

532
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.759
start looking before it's too late, or there will be

533
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:47.079
another fifty to forty eight. So now I leave you

534
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.039
with this piece of evidence. Don't do something stupid like

535
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:55.480
dust it for Prince the Ghost Killer. Wow goose gumpso

536
00:33:55.599 --> 00:34:01.960
bumps again now, But this means to me in connection

537
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.319
to the communications of the Zodiac Killer. First off, it's

538
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.320
a poem. We've seen poems out of the Zodiac that titwillow.

539
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:11.280
We see that he likes to use a lot of

540
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:16.000
poetic references, even poetic styles when he writes. So that

541
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.039
was number one on the list that we have a

542
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:22.039
serial killer out there that likes poems. So we can

543
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.000
think of the little list. That was another poem poetic

544
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:32.199
style communication that really clued me in how many sadistic

545
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.519
people do you have out there killing people that would

546
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:38.559
also then turn around and write a poem to law

547
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:41.239
enforcement or to the media in order to get their attention.

548
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.400
Didn't leave a clue. We just had the first letter

549
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.360
from this very same killer who said Hello, it's me.

550
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.079
The Hello It's Me letter we just covered that said

551
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.440
I've left clues out at the bodies. So now this

552
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:56.480
is contradicting saying this last time I killed, I didn't

553
00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:59.800
leave a clue. He names a victim, Louby, which is

554
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.679
actively one of the people we've discussed in this presentation

555
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:06.519
that was killed by the Atlanta, Georgia child killer. There's

556
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:11.280
the more reference, which we already understand is totally zodiac. Actually,

557
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:13.599
any of these crimes that we've talked about, this is

558
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:15.760
almost a statement that has to be said in nearly

559
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:18.360
every single communication, is that there's going to be more,

560
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:22.239
or that somebody is next. There's more you don't know about,

561
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:25.320
which is also consistent with Tim Miller's letter. We've we've

562
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.039
read this letter, but we haven't really discussed the dynamics

563
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.880
of the Tim Miller letter. It comes up in at

564
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.800
a much later time. He says by fire reference. I

565
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:36.920
need to go back and check to see. There was

566
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.880
a set of murders at a yogurt shop in Texas

567
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.840
where the four kids that were killed at this yogurt

568
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.880
shop were stacked on top of each other and were

569
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.199
caught on fire and burned. I'm not sure what the

570
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.679
date reference was to that, but we do know that

571
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:54.760
the Zodiac made reference to by knife, by wrote by fire,

572
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:57.360
by gun, so and we didn't see a lot of

573
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.000
by fire. I mean, as I go through these these murders,

574
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:03.360
we've seen a couple like the Domingus couple that was

575
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:07.000
caught on fire. Some very few and far between. But

576
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.239
at one point when the Zodiac discussed that he was

577
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.039
no longer going to tell anybody who he was killing

578
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.000
or what he had done, he said he was going

579
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.960
to make it look like bake accidents, fires.

580
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:17.400
You know.

581
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.000
He indicated that these are all things that were probabilities

582
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:24.119
for something that would look like an accident, but that

583
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:28.360
he had actually done. The letter also says you can't

584
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.960
catch me, which we know that that is a running

585
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:34.480
theme for the Zodiac. He said, wonder why he hasn't

586
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:38.199
been caught? Now, this is a theme that I touched

587
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.880
back with in the Tim Miller and Tom Voight letters.

588
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:44.280
Understanding who is at fault is key In the Tim

589
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.519
Miller and in the Tom Voight I believe he says,

590
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.400
wonder why I haven't been caught is because he turns

591
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.719
in his fingerprints. He turns in all the evidence that

592
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.639
he needs. He makes statements that he knows is going

593
00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:00.400
to make him complicit with the crime, but it's not

594
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:04.039
turned over, he's not figured out, and nobody comes for him.

595
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.440
He says he can get away with murder on any

596
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.519
given day. We have to consider why that individual believes

597
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:13.400
that's true. For me, I believe it's because he's very

598
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:19.280
well covered, and they are going to purposely disrupt the investigations,

599
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:23.079
if not even hide evidence, destroy evidence, get rid of

600
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:26.039
evidence that would help it, or assist them in coming

601
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:30.760
to this killer's apprehension. Politicians being worried by the plot

602
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:35.079
thickens running around like headless chickens. Again, this is where

603
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.239
cops aren't cooperating. It's a theme that we've been looking

604
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.199
at in the Zodiac Killer case. Many people actually believe

605
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.840
that the reason why the Zodiac Killer killed in different

606
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:48.840
jurisdictions is because he knew ultimately these police officers were

607
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.480
not going to team up and work on this together. Instead,

608
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.360
there'd be this pissing contest where each one thought that

609
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.760
they would eventually solve this case. And it was a

610
00:37:56.760 --> 00:38:00.079
good ruse, I mean, honestly speaking, to do something.

611
00:37:59.960 --> 00:38:04.239
That the whole thing of the letter is taunting, just.

612
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:08.920
Like Zodia one percent, and the politician's being worried. I

613
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:11.840
want to add everybody, at this particular time, we have

614
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:16.679
Watergate being investigated in Atlanta, Georgia. So if that's where

615
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:20.760
the Watergate Commission is or the Warren Commission is being held,

616
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.199
it's again look over here, not over here. So we've got,

617
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:26.320
you know, a whole bunch of children that are being killed,

618
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:29.320
and everybody's paying attention to all these these little kids

619
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:31.840
that are dying instead of to what's actively going on

620
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:37.400
in the politician with the politicians. And if Harriet's solves

621
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:41.000
are true, and she's stating that he's writing back and

622
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:44.000
forth through the media to politicians in order to get

623
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:46.800
his help or telling about who he's killed, in order

624
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:50.119
to fulfill whatever list or job that he's been ordered

625
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:54.559
to do, then maybe that's why politicians would be worried. Otherwise,

626
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:57.480
I really can't see why a politician would be worried

627
00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:58.920
about a serial killer.

628
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.719
During this time, it's the presidential race with Reagan and

629
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:10.000
Bush raging against Jimmy Carter, and Carter's from Georgia. He

630
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:13.320
was governor of Georgia before he became president, and he's

631
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:19.239
from Plans George. Well, then this is part of it.

632
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.800
Might have been make Carter look bad.

633
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:26.480
Who knows good good point, good point. I didn't know that,

634
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.440
so I again, I'm not you know that up on

635
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:33.360
my history to know these things. But yeah, he's working

636
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:35.880
directly with Carter, as we've seen many of her solves

637
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.119
roll out. Then that would be a reason for a

638
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:41.079
politician to be scared that he is actively working with

639
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:46.239
the person perpetrating these crimes. But I don't know how

640
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:47.920
that would benefit Carter in the.

641
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.679
End, unless I think it's anti Carter because he ended

642
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:55.440
up losing the election and having these things go down

643
00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:02.239
in his home see, doesn't make him look good.

644
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:06.519
Correct, And I do see the connection between the zodiac

645
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:11.559
and the Bush, and we've seen him mention Reagan in

646
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:15.719
the solves and for the majority of the Carter communications

647
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.960
that Harriet has solved. He's being really shitty and pissy

648
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.880
with Carter. It isn't up until the last communication couple

649
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:25.599
communications where we're seeing that he says he's gotten his remedy,

650
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:31.840
that he starts to talk nicely about Carter. Cops don't cooperate,

651
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:36.119
they'll never catch me. We know that's Zodiac bumbling mothers again.

652
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:40.119
That's that's that's one of those statements like fiddle fart

653
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:43.639
around or you know who uses this when attempting to

654
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.480
get a point across. It says I've been with you

655
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:50.039
every time. That's relation to the herb Cane letter. There's

656
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:53.280
more to colm fifty to forty eight, which we had

657
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:56.039
the Zodiac in the nineteen eighty six letters say negative

658
00:40:56.079 --> 00:41:00.000
one hundred plus like basically you guess. And that's exactly

659
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.199
what I take from him saying fifty to forty eight

660
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:07.039
piece is misspelled, which is the letter E spelling error.

661
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.960
Something is missing an e which is another letter E

662
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:13.199
spelling error that I track in the Zodiacs, and then

663
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:17.119
no prince will be found. The Zodiac bragged about not

664
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:20.400
having left any prince behind, despite what law enforcement said,

665
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:24.559
because he actually covered his fingerprints up with some airplane cement.

666
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:27.679
And then the ghost killer is the phantom sign offs

667
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:31.760
that we've been talking about, the Texas, tex Arcana phantom,

668
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:35.800
the red Phantom in the California area. Now the ghost killer,

669
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:40.440
the Freeway Phantom in the DC area murders. So the

670
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.800
phantom things something he's picked up on and is considered himself.

671
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:45.960
And that's why I say he does kind of seem

672
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:48.440
like a ghost. He moves into an air or he

673
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:51.559
goes to scouting area. Usually we have one murder. He

674
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.679
then comes back. So now while they're searching for the

675
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:59.239
murderer in this particular location, he's back in some other

676
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:02.559
state picking up his family and then moving into this

677
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.239
area afterwards looking like this good you know, family man

678
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.800
with a family that has just shown up to this

679
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:13.559
state couldn't possibly be considered for these particular kills. We

680
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.159
see three to four, you know, or more killings in

681
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:21.639
maybe eleven month period, twelve month period. And then he

682
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.400
moves the family out. So actually he goes to another

683
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:27.840
place to scout. We see a murder there, he comes back,

684
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.960
he picks the family up, moves the family, but ultimately

685
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.159
he always has to go back. I feel like, in

686
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:37.719
order to sum up some sort of business or belonging

687
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:44.519
to Hello. We are on the ghost letter right now

688
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:46.440
at this point in time, and I'm just breaking down

689
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:52.719
some of the elements. So again that makes him this phantom.

690
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:56.119
People are looking for somebody that's not even there at

691
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.239
the time when the murder, right shortly after the murder occurs,

692
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:00.960
and then when he shows up with the family, he

693
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.280
just again looks like somebody had just moved into the

694
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:07.119
area who couldn't be considered for the crime. I did

695
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:11.079
started a handwriting examination on this and pulling out some

696
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:16.280
of the words in comparison to Jack's cursive, and I

697
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.599
wasn't again, I wasn't all that shocked at what I saw.

698
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:25.679
I see that in the letter T, there's my cursor here, Okay,

699
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:27.480
I see that in the letter T we have an

700
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.960
entrance stroke in Jack's handwriting, which means that he actually

701
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:34.599
enters from the baseline to move upward and then back down.

702
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.519
I find that the slant of these writings are consistent

703
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:41.039
with each other, and even the shape and style of

704
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.960
the letters that are being written. We can see that

705
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.000
up here in the double l's that again we have

706
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:50.840
very similar shapes, They lean exactly the same, They definitely

707
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.000
have an extra stroke. There were just some consistencies in

708
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:57.000
here that I thought, wow, even incursive. So I do

709
00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.320
want to get back to this letter, which will probably be,

710
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:01.679
you know, if I take a second trip at this

711
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.880
presentation to actually attempt to firm up some of these

712
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:09.119
things that I've stated that I wanted to research or

713
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:10.960
I wanted to look at that I could go a

714
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:14.119
second round if I decided to continue a second round

715
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:18.000
on this podcast. Another thing that I looked at was the.

716
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.320
What's that do you see? How bored? Can I say

717
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.280
something really quick? Because there's a notation at the bottom

718
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:26.840
of the one you sent me that you thought it

719
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:31.719
was nineteen seventy eight. It's borry. It looks like is

720
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:34.119
written by a guy who's damn near going boring.

721
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.360
So oh, I have no idea. This is just a

722
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:42.719
bad copy for me either way. What I did note

723
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.760
was this hyphen that comes before the word the ghost killer. Again,

724
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:49.039
this is very consistent with what I had said about

725
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.519
the phantom letters. Here's the Freeway Phantom letters. He's using

726
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.039
a hyphen again in the sign off and in the

727
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.880
red Phantom at the very beginning, he starts with one

728
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:02.000
of these elongated hyphens again very consistent with the phantom

729
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:05.039
letters that we know to be to have been written

730
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.320
or likely to have been written by the Zodiac Killer.

731
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:11.519
And that brings us to your soul, Harriet. So basically

732
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:13.760
you have it. Seems to take me forever to get

733
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:15.519
this one done, but I've got it. This part says

734
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:18.280
that Jack has no one, all right, So do you

735
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:19.840
have that to read? Do you want me to read

736
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:21.039
it and then you can make sense of it.

737
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.199
You can read it because it goes it's part of

738
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:29.320
the four parts of the nineteen seventy eight stuff, the

739
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.639
two bill and the other letters, the in Control of

740
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:34.239
all Things, the car portion.

741
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:36.639
Okay, and then let me read it because we've only

742
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.199
got a couple minutes left. So it says another words, ohio,

743
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.199
Edward Edward, Edward Edwards. And we do have somebody that

744
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:47.360
came at me telling me they believed ed ed Edwards

745
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:53.159
was doing ciphers. And little queer, what's zuck x U

746
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:53.639
c K.

747
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:57.559
Well he's trying at the cust We says a key

748
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:01.639
word that you're not supposed to say anyways, go for it, Okay.

749
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:05.800
Little Queer is up u HF radio fan at kid

750
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.960
Wayne Williams. So are you saying that Wayne Williams was gay?

751
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:12.159
Or is he saying Wayne williams.

752
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:18.159
Grandmother saying he's gay? But anyways, okay, but.

753
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:23.559
Bug President, Jimmy Carter's home and phone line, his lip bell,

754
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:30.679
half value, layer, radiation, absorbed dose, tiny image, reach, milk money,

755
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:36.800
Hogan's Heroes, Disney movie Gus Live set play Scottsdale, Arizona

756
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:41.559
star Crane is why must end murdered in his apartment

757
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:46.800
in June? So t O U Y I C U

758
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:47.199
T I.

759
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:52.559
Oh, it's in the movie. It makes the gust the

760
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:58.679
animals kick the ball. You mean something about that U

761
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:06.000
T I under the influence of a of a medical

762
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:07.079
leave he's getting.

763
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:11.599
Harriet pro Nolan was asking you a question. Did you

764
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:12.239
hear him?

765
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:13.559
No?

766
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:14.480
I didn't. Sorry.

767
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.760
Gus the mule in the movie Bob, Yeah.

768
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:23.559
Gus, Yeah, Gus is the mule from Conny whatever it is.

769
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:27.760
Yeah, it was that crazy comedy.

770
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:31.039
So U T I under the influence of forty eight

771
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.679
fifty paid leave for medical reasons and then it's signed off.

772
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:38.119
No one, So can you explain to us this particular solve?

773
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.079
Jack is calling himself or they're calling him no one,

774
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:46.079
because he's not Zodiac anymore. He's not DP Cooper, he's

775
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:49.519
not blocked on the Avenger. He's just no one. So

776
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:55.360
and this particular solve Okay, milk money, that is the

777
00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:00.000
early days of Bob Crane getting famous on the East Coast.

778
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:03.679
Apparently when he was on the radio, he was making

779
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:06.920
just enough to cover the milk money for his family,

780
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.760
and he would keep the milk out on the ledge

781
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:11.920
during like six months out of the year because of

782
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:16.480
how cold it was. So and then yeah, and then

783
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:20.039
he became the chef guy. Also in nineteen seventy six

784
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:24.880
famous cooking chef, some kind of shows. There's a lot

785
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:27.599
that is actually confirmed in that.

786
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:29.320
And he was.

787
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.719
On some kind of celebrity chef cookouts and you know,

788
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:41.639
this was seventies. But the tiny image is what apparently,

789
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.880
if I understand correctly, the act kid was trying to

790
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:49.679
break into the radio show business and TVs and things

791
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:55.039
like that. So he apparently, according to these salts, had

792
00:48:55.119 --> 00:49:01.639
bugged Carter's phone lines and sent this to the Crane

793
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:05.440
and uh, then we got they're going after the Nazis

794
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.400
at the same time period and a lot of his

795
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:12.199
old co stars were actual Holocaust survivors, their families were

796
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:13.320
Holocaust survivors.

797
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:15.400
Okay, well, we're.

798
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:17.559
Going to pick up on your on your final major

799
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:20.440
solve at a later time. I've got about thirty seconds

800
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.360
left here before we need to sign off. I believe

801
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:27.239
it's the four part but altogether goes into the microfilm

802
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.480
coin and the Reagan Ultimatum. So we'll pick up from

803
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:33.519
there next week and start there. But I want to

804
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:37.119
wish everybody a wonderful weekend. Thank you Nolan and Harriet

805
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.719
for being here, and we will all see you next week.

806
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:43.840
Do you guys want to sign off?

807
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:44.960
Oh?

808
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:46.519
Bye bye everybody?

809
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:49.880
Yeah, bye bye everybody.

810
00:49:51.960 --> 00:50:07.159
So I think, man think.

811
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:12.280
H