Jan. 18, 2025

Solves and Mysteries ATKID, Cont… Part 2

Solves and Mysteries ATKID, Cont… Part 2

Final solves in the ATKID cases. Unseen communications that contain ciphers or solves that are running along the lines of Harriette Sucher. Interesting questions being asked of the director of the FBI that makes you question what was really going on...

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Final solves in the ATKID cases. Unseen communications that contain ciphers or solves that are running along the lines of Harriette Sucher. Interesting questions being asked of the director of the FBI that makes you question what was really going on in the ATKID cases. Did Wayne Williams kill these kids?!? Along with, the plight from parents to the Attorney General about why 22 child murder cases were closed without ever being tried?

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show this morning, Harriet soouchet.

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Hey, it's going to be a great show's.

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Always and it looks like we have Nolan del Campo

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with us here today too.

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Good morning everyone, Good morning than that and Harriet, good morning,

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Good morning Nolan.

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I was gonna say, you look dapper. You must be

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going to court.

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Department.

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What's that?

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Two cases in the same department?

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Oh, easy, beasy, you got it all right? Well you're

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what's that?

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The judge is my friend.

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We never want to hear those words, Nolan, because isn't

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that what everybody attests to? Yeah, that attorney must be

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friends with the judge. That's why they cited for them, so.

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He's not all good.

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Well, we left off last week with some of Harriet's solves,

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and I found the overall solve, which is the letter

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and envelope from the March eighth, nineteen eighty one letter.

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Do you want me to read that, Harriet? Or do

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you do you have that to read? It's the one

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that you wrote the proud voice for the dead underneath it.

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You're going to have to read it because I got

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something else from though.

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Yeah, so it says facsimile three eight eighty one at

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six eleven eleven Military Time, two o nine and one,

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Woodland Drive, Plains, Georgia. Mister Carter, you actually did answer question.

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And I have the Holy See arch Bishop Terrence Cook

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of New York Twin Towers attention. Even you see Davis

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have saved Oculus uteric sick. Fill me from grave me

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who used to be of the zodiac fame. I'm fine off,

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MK Ultra still okay to tell the truth. Liberty Bell

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Americana Series half value layer radiation exposure saliva your saliva

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on image that stamp. Do future execute order well? Question

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Mark danto I Franklin Club Retirement Community BB or I'm

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sorry eighty eight Hyle Hitler, chef Chris Bush. We three

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made a deal switch classified Trenton State Hospital Witness Protection

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Program dead Vietnam War, US Navy pilot nineteen seventy one.

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Daniel Cooper there under white female adult last name broad

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the Id. I shot the Dan Cooper body in the

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head under sheet at Bush Place on eleven, nineteen seventy eight.

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I e. Chris Busch nuthouse broad Id and Kappi King.

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Mary.

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The two are still alive, not dead. As your original

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execute order was intended to tell the truth. It looks

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like fourteen f thirteen Is that? Do I have that right?

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Yeah? That's that's the Nazi code for. They were driving

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around and picking up the kids of the parents of

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the Jews and saying, you know, we're going to take

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you to your parents. There were really very horrible things

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and they were taking them to their death. And so

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the F is a German word for death and thirteen

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and fourteen and really bad stuff.

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So Nazi shalong the Bible Qle Ducher, Hans Hansure, Hans

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juur Bacher printed or passports these Nazis. I was sent

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to hunt down shoot Staffles Albert Dutcher to die next

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on twelve, nineteen eighty one, the Burlington Northern Railroad station

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where the Nazi works sister wrote Illinois to tell the truth.

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Nixon sent I nineteen seventies to Palm Beach mar A.

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Lago for his NASA perform autopsy. Marjoria Lett photos sent

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to Gray Smith earth rise stamp. Paul oween Card got

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my Dan B. Cooper toy the Eisenhower Eagle compartment for

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the microfilm coin I use or I issue Reagan ultimatum

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five million for the coin. His holiness, kind gentle meek Pope.

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Carol Wolschla asked if you had requested shitty President Reagan

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get gs so.

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Iously GSII geospatial image interpretation.

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Anyways you go into this, I suggest look over by

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South Lake Tahoe in the Tahoe Nationals up off eighty

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by twenty three and eleven feet to help Donald lass

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are In family and Lauren Swaringham family private investigator, get

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the Catholic victims' bodies for proper burial under a juniper

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tree for your information. My wife at thirty even give

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me one male baby nineteen seventy eight, No one, all right, yeah,

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elaborate on that.

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Well, that's where they found most of the remains, was

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at that round five thousand some feet, So that confirms

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the future that they found the skull, they found the mandible. Anyways, Wow,

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well that's where I can elaborate on that. And I

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just think it's funny how he presents himself because he's

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working for the howay tha he's seeing the kind gentle

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meet Pope is asking shitty President Reagan. He seems like

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he's not working for Racus.

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Right, who is he working? Well, Carter, right, he's working.

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He's working, Carter, But they're working for the Holy see.

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The deep state.

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Yeah, there's there's powers beyond the government of course, as Station,

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and it's all about that and how the JFKSSAS Station

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and other things nine to one one I run contract

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are all beyond the government. I mean, the government's involved,

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but beyond that, right.

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Yes, And I know that uh linz Mac which is

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a YouTuber we're going to be discussing here shortly when

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we get to the John Walsh stuff. That has made

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connections between Zodiac and John Walsh. Albeit I've already made

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that connection through the communications, but mentioned that Franklin Club

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was also she had thought, even though it's listed here

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as a retirement community, that there was a possibility of

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some child pedophilia going on with that in some relation

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to Fox Island. So you did put down here at

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the bottom of this the four whole punches on the

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paper look similar to the whole punch paper used for

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doctor Danocode letter, a clue to the Oakland County child

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killing issues. So if she's correct and there is some

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affiliation between the Franklin Club and the Fox Club, then

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you guys both are kind of pointing in the same direction.

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I want to say, Real discussed in a prior program,

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a prior episode, that The b last year published a

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story that confirmed that her school was found.

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In the exact spot. This letter says it would be found.

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Right absolutely January twenty four, right, right, and well, and

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I think that that and Harriet has alluded to in

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herselves that the rest of her remains would be found

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in Lower Lake.

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Yeah originally, but I have a feeling that they did

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find them and then they were reburied in that melt

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Wakamaria that is full of these particular junor for trees.

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So you know, now, problem is where is where Jack

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property and they found bones, they found human remains on

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his probably there.

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Wow, is that your Tahoe or the Seers.

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It's up past Placerville, I believe. Yeah, yeah, up in

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the Plasterville area. So yeah, still very close to the

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whole South Lake Tahoe type thing.

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In my invariable opinion, he's trying to do what he's

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supposed to redeem himself for the past speeds and they

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apparently were not supposed to kill those two Catholics. And

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there's a lot of information you from Donna Lass about

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you know, Sam g and Conna. So he's trying to

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pay his debt back to society this way. And you know,

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Dennis really quickly, Dennis said that Jack told him that

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for life. For him is like it's like he's in

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prison for life. So look what he's doing. He's trying

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to for the rest of his life, pays that back

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to society.

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Huh, by killing people.

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By killing by killing people for let's just sayales horble

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as his sales for all the right reasons. But yeah,

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it's but then also pays that back for that too,

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because you know, the main rules for Catholics is thou

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shall not kill. So but I'm seeing that they did

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killer Jucher had to go.

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Yeah, well yeah, I would. I would say say that again, Nolan.

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Once you're programmed to kill, it's hard to stop.

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I think. So, I think I think Jack had the cure.

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But he's going through all these motions, you know, well

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into the early two thousands, and he's feeling bad. So

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I see the guilt there. But you know, yeah, any.

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Correspondence.

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Okay, So we're back and we have another solve, Harriet.

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This is the I am crack Proof the Car movie one.

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It's a strength stenographic code you listed from nineteen seventy eight.

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So do you want me to read that?

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Oh you're going to have to read it because I'm

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trying to look at the four or five folls put together.

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But not a problem. Yeah, all right, So inspections.

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Right to the Slapyer's Detective Tashi the Irishman is to

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bludgeon the shitty screen actors Chef Gus Starr Bug District

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of Columbia Commander in Chief Carter to paint Scottsdale, Arizona

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wall sideways with Bob Crane's head Bob crane head blood.

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And you stated, I believe this goes with the in

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control et cetera and the ghost killer sections. So this

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is stating that the Irishman is responsible for killing.

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Crane Jack is under the influence of a medical lead

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because of this temporary blindness or near blindness. So they

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get the Irishman. And if I understand correctly, if you

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read the crime scene reports, the blood was fiveways on

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the wall, okay, like it was painted.

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Yeah, well, and they called the irishman called himself a painter, right, yeah.

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He said he painted them red, you know, as disgusting

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as it is.

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And how is Bob Cream killed? I don't know that

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I had a lot of information on him, but.

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In in some condo or house in Arizona, well Arizona, yeah, Scottsdale.

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Yeah, yeah, that's what are solving. Yeah, okay.

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And he was into some twisted stuff too. There's all

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weird sexual stuff and all kinds of wild twisted ship.

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Got too much time on their hands, too much money,

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You get bored, all right.

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The actor too, Hogan Zero's was awesome.

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Right, yeah, perspective, I just wanted to be brief. You

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put it into perspective, what's going on at this time?

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Hogan's heroes doing what allegedly done with the app kid,

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it's going to blow in operation that's actually global to

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get the Nazis that it ended up here in the

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United States, but also get them justice in Europe. And

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Bob Crane's old co stars are either directly Holocaust survivors

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like Robert Cleary would wake up next to the dead

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in some showers tall and then the others were family

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members of Holocaust survivors. So very it's a very perspective,

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a very big deal and sadly a cosspond praying his life.

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So you go from being a Holocaust victims family member

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to making it big in them movies. There's just something

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weird about that.

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It is especially you know, War's right, that's the whole

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story one. Yeah, Lennert Klemper was actually German Colonel Clink

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in charge of the prison care mm yep.

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And I believe it was Werner Klemper who said, I

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will do this show as long as you make it

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so the Nazis never win because he was Yeah, he

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was connected to Holocaust survivors too.

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Wow.

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Yeah, yeah, I know nothing. I know nothing.

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Now you have another soft kire Harriet which is the

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FBI FOY file dated March eighteenth, nineteen eighty one, in

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regards to at kid and it says page two d

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E W F zero zero three three unclass murders of

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the children in caption case. The anonymous writer further directed

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that the editor place a one ad in the Washington

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Post stating Daniel please come home, after which the writer

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would initiate further contact with the editor of the Washington Post.

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At approximately two thirty pm on same date, March eighteenth,

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nineteen eighty one, the Washington Field Office contacted somebody it's redacted,

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advised that he and his newspaper would cooperate fully and

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place the ad Daniel please call Home in the three

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nineteen eighty one edition of the Washington Post newspaper. It

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was mutually agreed between that whomever and the FBI that

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the phone number, and of course that is where it

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cuts off. I do note again we have a suspect

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asking for information to be placed in the newspaper in

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order to get messages back and forth to each other,

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which is very similar to the Oakland County child murder

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cases where doctor Danto was to place the trees will

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bloom in three weeks as a sign that the accomplice

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of that letter was being heard and that they were

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doing what it took to get him immunity so that

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he could turn himself in and turn over this purported suspect.

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So that runs in tandem obviously with what we've already

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seen and this solve. You want me to read this one? Yeah.

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If I was working on it and it's at they

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don't like us dot Com, I wondered why did they

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put it up there like this? I ended up seeing

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it as just a giant stamp, and I had to

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identify the editor's name, which was a woman, not a guy. Anyways,

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go for it, because it's actually just a repeat. It's

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we're seeing again Jack sending things in tandem. If one

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doesn't go through this one will And we noticed that

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the repeat.

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We noticed that with the zodiac sending two and three

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communications at a time in order to make sure that

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somebody gets it into the paper or gets that message.

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So this says three eighteen eighty one, seven thirty mount

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time facsimile SS Woodland Drive, Plains, Georgia. Hi, mister James

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Earlcarter Junior, f yi IOE you Pope John Paul the

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second welcomes me and teaches me when I hit Seafield

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Office in Twin Towers, New York in ten nine seventy

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eight via the A B. What's ab.

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Oh, that's the archbishop. That's teraring hook.

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The arch Bishop. I got my wish the Washington O

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stamp that goes with with the U c D. So

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you see Davis alcoholics anonymous c I A L s

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D ten or one hundred.

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Yeah, finally something that you know anyways, keep going sorry.

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No, no, no, I want to make sense of it.

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So ls D one hundred wine finally.

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Ha ha ha.

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Getting aa better to tell the truth. Talk to T. T.

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Danto tell Assisted Living Manager Christopher twenty seven fifty one p.

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Fifty Kathy nineteen when two are to die on eleven

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twenty to tell the truth between the sea and what

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is is? T. T. Tattletale Tell the truth.

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And then oh yeah, well Tattletale, that was Dante Donte

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was telling what was going to happen. But there was

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a change of plans. You have three popes that year,

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so by October ninth it looks like the third pope said,

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now we're not going to kill these people. We are

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trying to get the original Holocaust and the Nazi people.

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Okay, So it's then to tell the truth tale. Okay,

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So to tell the truth between the Sea Tattletale, Danto

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Noman Nescio, me knew Nixon, FBI classified down USN Dan

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Cooper placed in WPP. What is WPP.

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Witness Protection Program? They stashed the body.

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Okay, last name Broad in Trenton State Hospital. So so

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they placed the body of Dan Cooper into that hospital.

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You're saying under the name Kathy Broad, just.

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Last name Broad. I don't think it's they were just

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probably Danielle Broad.

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Datcha in Trenton State Hospital. The three oh one bush Dry,

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doctor Tattletale, we mutually agreed, found body on ice post

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mortem teeth verify is him not Naperville? Is that Illinois? Naperville, Illinois?

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Any just keep going.

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WFA which is white female adult? Correct?

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Yeah, WSA, white female adult. They were saying, they confirmed

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to postportum and it's a guy especially anyways, right right.

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We would think but eighty eight chef trade id we

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three place in home his bed, I shot in the

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head under the sheet. Harold Lee Bush and Detroit Free

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Press publisher place a Bell Chapel death notice in newspaper.

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I E. King Mary BF. What is BF?

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The best friend or boyfriend BF? Oh?

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Gotcha? And then to tell the truth. The World War

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two Nazi fure murderer arch Enemy train operator Albert Dutcher

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to die Saturday twelve, nineteen eighty one on bn R

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R T T.

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What's that Burlington Northern Railroad train trecks where he worked

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in Cicero, Illinois.

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Gotcha? H h Who's that? Kyle Hitler asked if he

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would call Ronald Reagan want g S two use find

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the Dead Catholics Donna Las Tattletale's swearing them approximately uh,

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donner pass. Contact Hayle Hitler at the c classified phone number,

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and then it says no one is the sign off.

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Oh, I'm sorry. His holiness point.

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Okay, let's His holiness asks me call Ronald Reagan want

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GS two? You used find the Dead Catholics Donna Last Tattletale,

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swearing I'm approximately donner pass. Contact his holiness at the

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sea classified phone number.

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He uses the phrase to tell the truth quite often.

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I wonder if that's kind of a some sort.

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Of plan he's that's that's how come when I did

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the other one, that's like that. It turns out from

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the early forties, I saw the classic fourties. I said,

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that confirms everything in the future night and yeah there's

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also Rising Towers, which is yeah, exactly the Twin Towers.

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Yeah, but I didn't see that. So when I hit

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Seafield Office in Twin Towers, New York in ten nine

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of seventy eight. So he's planning on doing what at

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the Twin Towers in seventy eight.

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Oh, he's getting his his tour. The other half, you know,

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the A, the half of the step at UC Davis,

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that's the other f God generally go be up at

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thirty six hundred feet on melt Diebo looking at the

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sun while you're tripping on their LSB. Then at night

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as it's coming on, that's that other stuff. The pod

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and everything is used. And uh, it's to close it out,

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is to close out the particular part of the brain,

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to close it out and repeat the the oh God,

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that that phrase, the alcoholics phrase. I can't you know.

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It's the prayer over and over and over again. Yeah,

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that's it. The one he kept great time, the serenity.

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Prayer and Jack Jack kept the Serenity pair in his

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in his wallet.

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Exactly.

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Wow, okay, I can go have a good right, have

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a good hey, good luck at court.

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Don't get a yeah, all right, have a good morning. Okay,

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So that brings me on too. I found a FOYO

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file which I really don't fully completely understand it, but

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it looked like it was written during the time of

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the uh Atlanta Georgia stuff. And I can't find page one.

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I'm gonna have to search and find it because it

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has things in it like it says Q five. So

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this is obviously from the FBI examinations of the actual

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documents and the ciphers, but things aren't really adding up

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for me. So like it says page three beginning eat Peppermint,

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and now we know that there is the little list

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and he talks about peppermint and pomp it right the

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zodio exactly. However, when I look at this page three

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beginning eat Peppermint and pomp it, page three does not

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begin that way of our little list letter. So it

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must mean that there is a second version of the

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pepper Mint and pump it out there that is related

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to the Atlanta Georgia stuff. But I cannot find I've

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not seen this particular communication. And then page five beginning

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so Q six says begin beginning you the other, and

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I look, there's only one six page document from the

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Zodiac and that's the bus bomb letter. And when I

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looked at page five, it does not begin you the other.

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So there has to be some more communications out there

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that are involved with the at kid cases that we've

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not seen yet. But this is some of the information

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that they talk about on here. So result of the examination,

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the original Zodiac case involves numerous letters and cryptograms related

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to murders in the Sacramento, San Francisco area in the

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late sixties and early seventies and early seventies. So I

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mean they're even talking about murders and letters that have

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continued the Zodiac. Zodiac case has not been solved to date.

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The Q one through Q six material resembles the type

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of letters and cryptograms involved in the Zodiac case. No

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indented writing was observed on Q one through Q six.

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No watermarks were observed on Q one. Now again I'm

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missing this first intel or the first page of this intel,

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which is listing the Q one through Q four documents.

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So I don't even know what documents are talking about

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at this point. It says the brand Conqueror appears on

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Q three. This appears to be a brand of the

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Sloan Paper Company from Doraville, Georgia. Q two and Q

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four through Q six bear water marks of Schaefer Eton Pittsfield, Massachusetts.

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So I want to remind everybody that the Zodiac wrote

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on Eton bond paper, which now we have a crossover

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between Atlanta, Georgia, the use of the same type of paper.

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What'd you want to say, Harriet, Well on paper.

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But I'm seeing a lot of these, even though they

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look official, look real, just like the one we just read.

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You just treat it like a giant stamp and identify

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everything in it. And it's a message for Carter. He's

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working right, They're variously going after these Nazis. It's all boys, okay.

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But but I'm on a I'm on a different tangent

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right now. Right now, I'm just on these particular communications

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we are obviously not seen so and and that the

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brand of paper is a match to what the Zodiac

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was using. So we know that Dennis turned over to

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the Sacramento Sheriff's department eaten bond paper. And I'm sure

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that if these these papers were studied and examined in

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chondrasted or were comparison to the Zodiac letters that were

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also written on eaton bond paper, they could determine whether

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or not they were from the same batch of paper.

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Now it goes on to say specimens Q two and

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Q six contained substitution system with variants. In such a

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crypto cryptosystem, each letter of the alphabet that is replaced

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by one or more symbols to make the message unreadable.

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The letters, which occur more frequently in the English language,

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have more than one cipher text equivalent. So now they're

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saying that there's actually ciphers and codes involved in these

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letters as well.

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Harriet, have you seen on that You'll see the cipher

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see the perfect message. Wow, Well, and have you seen

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any ciphers?

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I know me too. I'm thinking, like, wait a minute,

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what's going on here. There's definitely so they're definitely referring

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to this. So the Q one through Q six documents

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are definitely not zodiac letters. They're being asked to compare

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them to Zodiac letters. They're recognizing that this was back

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in the seventies and sixties and seventies, so it fits

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that these are coming out in nineteen eighty one or

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whatever it is that these particular communications were sent out

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in regards to the Atlanta, Georgia child killer. But it

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tells us that it's running in tandem with the communications

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which we saw on the Hello it's me letter from

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the at kid suspect that states I used to be

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in San Francisco. I used to stalk women. So all

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of these things are running, you know, hand in hand

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and linking one to the next. All right, so the next.

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Stage of zodiac at the time he's just signing off.

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There's no one, So all right, I mean that's what

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we got. There's a whole bunch of them signing off.

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There's no one. Good luck.

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You're gonna like where this goes, because when I saw this,

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I was like, oh, dear, this is something you've been

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onto and you're talking about in your solves. So I'm

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shocked to see this in a foil file. So it

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goes on to say, after they lay out the plain

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text for the substitution of the symbols, it says the

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cryptographic equivalents used in specimens Q two and Q six

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are the same as those used in the original Zodiac cipher.

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Both the original ciphertext and its decryption have been published. However,

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the following differences should be noted between the cryptograms and

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the submitted specimens and the cryptograms authored by Zodiac. The

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longer Zodiac ciphers were inscribed into a rectangle. The end

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of the first solved cryptogram, when deciphered, was unintelligible. The

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author apparently used the cipher symbols to complete the rectangle.

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Since the second cipher remains unsolved, it is not known

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whether any knolls are used to complete the rectangle. The

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cryptogram in Specimen Q two does not follow the same

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pattern of inscribing the message into a complete rectangle, i e.

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The last line of the cryptogram contains only three symbols.

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The Zodiac cryptograms contain seventeen symbols per row. The cryptogram

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in specimens Q two and Q six contain thirteen symbols

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per row. The decryptions of specimens Q two and Q

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six follow garbled portions of the plaintext have been corrected.

461
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:59.039
These corrections are underlined, so in Specimen Q two it

462
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:04.680
states must die for her fifty megahert screech and her flirtatiousness.

463
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:10.799
She is so impossibly shallow and stuck up. Howbout you

464
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:12.160
send those words?

465
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:13.799
What's that?

466
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.079
Done? That one? I've done that one?

467
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:16.720
Done which one?

468
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:24.200
Yeah, I've done that one. But yeah, the fifty megaherts. Anyways,

469
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:26.200
I heard you say this for sure.

470
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.680
I heard you talk about the megahert screech and this

471
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:33.200
is Janice Joplin.

472
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:39.279
You were saying, I think that has something to do

473
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:43.920
with the radio waves. But I think that's reminding me

474
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:47.039
of actually things that go all the way to Stamford,

475
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:51.720
Connecticut area. But I've done that one that was also

476
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.480
found at some of the unfriendly places that they said, wow,

477
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.160
what's that anyway?

478
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:01.200
Well, and we haven't seen these communications these ciphers, so

479
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.400
I don't know that you've actuated. I know that you've

480
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:06.400
come up with this in one of your souls, but

481
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:11.039
we've not seen any ciphers involved in the at kid case.

482
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:18.000
That's something to do with what happened in Stamford. But anyways,

483
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:21.480
Bush family, Okay, I remember.

484
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.640
I just remember you saying fifty megahertz in one of

485
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.039
your souls, and I was like, holy crap, they've got

486
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:28.720
that coming out in one of the souls and the

487
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:29.519
foya stuff.

488
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.440
All right, radio waves coming off to you know when

489
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:39.640
he's stripping on that particularly is the uh, there's a

490
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:41.599
radio wave that's coming across.

491
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:44.519
Well, no, they've got they've got a name that they've

492
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.559
got a name that's redacted. And the name that's redacted

493
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.240
is followed by must die for her fifty megaherd screech

494
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:57.640
and her cretaciousness. She is so impossibly shallow and stuck up.

495
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.799
So he's talking about somebody who's gonna kill that has

496
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:02.079
to die a female.

497
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.920
Yeah, I'll just right, I keep going.

498
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:17.800
There's many so specimen right, Well, Specimen Q six has

499
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.599
again a redaction of someone's name. If you wish to

500
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.760
know my identity, you will have to put some effort

501
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:28.280
into it, not fiddle and fart around. Here's a clue,

502
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:35.480
as missus somebody, because it's redacted. Again, if she remembers

503
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:39.320
who draws the symbol, then you will have me good luck.

504
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.679
That's not a solve that we've heard, but that is

505
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:45.760
clearly a solve that has come out of one of

506
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.679
these communications, which again, I mean just takes us right

507
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.480
back to there's something to be solved in each one

508
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.360
of these, but fiddle and fart around is definitely a

509
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.519
statement that the Zodiac used. So some of the things

510
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:02.719
that I pick out of this Q six cipher text

511
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.239
is as it was ciphered along with the ciphered message.

512
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:09.079
So Q two is must die, and that's a Sherry

513
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:12.639
Joe Bates reference, like had to die the fifty maker

514
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:16.719
heard screech. I noted that I needed to research this

515
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:19.800
identity because it's redacted, but I'm not sure I'm going

516
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.840
to ever figure out who that is. Shallow and stuck up.

517
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.920
It's kind of like the Channel nine newsletter making personal

518
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.480
shots at people and says, if you wish to know

519
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:34.079
my identity, that's definitely Zodiac Jack all day long effort.

520
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:38.679
You must put in some effort, which is again bashing

521
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.000
law enforcement for not being able to figure out who

522
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.280
he is. Fiddle and fart around was a Zodiac of verbatim.

523
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.639
Here is a clue that's again Zodiac Jack one oh one.

524
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:51.960
He remembers who draws the symbol, So somebody, he's stating,

525
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.159
some female out there has seen him draw the symbol

526
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.719
and if she could remember who it was, then they

527
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.599
would have him. So then you will have me as

528
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:05.719
again Zodiac and good luck, wishing you well. I needed

529
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:07.880
to see I still have it in here, need to

530
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:12.000
research communications and dates, but says March seventeenth, nineteen eighty one,

531
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.039
FBI receives the letters and states that the Zodiac Killer

532
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:18.000
could not be eliminated as the author of these letters.

533
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.840
So I thought that was pretty impressive considering just the hello,

534
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.400
it's me he hadwritten letter, and we started to see

535
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:28.000
some commonalities in the handwriting of the ghost writer are

536
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:36.440
consistent with that. So I also skipped across a February tenth,

537
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.800
nineteen eighty two letter it looks like from the United

538
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:44.719
States Senate to William H. Webster, Director of the Federal

539
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:49.239
Bureau of Investigation, ninth and Pennsylvania. Dear Bill. So this

540
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.079
letter's being written to him in regards to the at

541
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.480
kid case, and I found some of the questions that

542
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:58.480
he was going to have to answer extremely interesting. So

543
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:00.599
it says, thank you for your testimony at the recent

544
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.320
meeting of the Security and Terrorism Subcommittee. I haven't closed

545
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.079
a series of questions relating to the Atlanta youth murder

546
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.119
case which we discussed during the hearing. I hope that

547
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:12.639
you'll be able to respond to those questions which do

548
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:16.079
not violate the judge's gag order in the Wayne Williams

549
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:18.719
case as soon as possible. So let's note there's a

550
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:22.639
gag order in regards to Wayne Williams case. Why I

551
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.159
mean this man is purportedly at least that's what they're

552
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:29.360
trying to hem them up on something like twenty six murders.

553
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:33.920
Let's see in the Wayne Williams case, as soon as possible,

554
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.039
if any of these questions do violate the judges gag order,

555
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.400
I would appreciate a response as soon as that gag

556
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:42.320
order is lifted. I have also included a couple of

557
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.440
specific questions concerning the report you sent me relating to

558
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:49.719
the allegations of FBI misconduct on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

559
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:53.559
I would appreciate your prompt reply to these questions. Again,

560
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.880
thank you for your testimony, and I'm looking forward to

561
00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.440
reviewing your responses to these questions. So the question in

562
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:05.519
the Atlanta youth murder number one, I believe you told

563
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.639
Congress that the Bureau had a tenuous jurisdiction under the

564
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:12.960
Federal Kidnapping Statutes, and the Justice Department concluded there was

565
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:17.159
no basis for a civil rights investigation. On what basis

566
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:20.039
did the federal government have the authority to investigate the

567
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:26.440
Atlanta slaves? Well, there's children involved, right, I mean, isn't

568
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:30.199
it kind of obligatory at this point that the Federal

569
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:33.159
Bureau of Investigation gets involved when you have this many

570
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.960
children that are popping up dead. These would have been

571
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:41.199
great questions for Nolan. But I thought that children, kidnapping,

572
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:44.679
any of that kind of stuff automatically fell underneath Federal

573
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.559
Bureau of Investigations? Is that not correct?

574
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:52.400
Do you know? I think so? But this is the

575
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:58.039
time frame where the animals base just hit big time

576
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.880
and we're going to make the National Center for Missing

577
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:09.320
and Exploited Children said mess, because that's exactly what it became,

578
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.920
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. A lot of

579
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.559
money off of that. But yeah, where there's kids involved

580
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:23.000
like that and it's you know, kidnapping anyways, that's where

581
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:24.119
the fans get involved.

582
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:27.719
Well, let's go on with these questions. And number two,

583
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.280
why was the FBI unable to enter the investigation? Initially

584
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.679
due to lack of jurisdiction, but and then there seems

585
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.360
to be a redaction able to enter later with no

586
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:44.679
apparent change in the facts regarding jurisdiction. So there specifically

587
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.880
the Senate's asking why the FBI was not able to

588
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:51.079
enter the investigation initially, but then was able to even

589
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:54.480
though the facts hadn't changed the case. Number three, did

590
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:57.920
the FBI enter the case, as some have suggested, simply

591
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:01.239
because the Atlanta slane had become an issue national in

592
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:06.519
scope and effect a national crime disaster area, irrespective of

593
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:10.119
a sound jurisdictional basis. So it's almost like they keep

594
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.800
their back and forth asking why they didn't and how

595
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:18.280
they were capable. Number Four, When US Attorney General Benjamin

596
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:22.519
Siboletti ordered the FBI as well as the Justice Department

597
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.480
to offer their full cooperation to the Atlanta police, did

598
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:29.599
he in effect order the FBI to exceed its traditional jurisdiction.

599
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:35.119
Number five, Why was the federal response in Atlanta, particularly

600
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:38.519
that of the FBI so slow in coming? So it's

601
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:42.800
like I'm torn between whether or not they have jurisdiction

602
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.360
When it sounds like he's saying, why did you guys

603
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:48.239
not get in in the beginning? Why was it so

604
00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:53.039
slow in coming? And at the same time, how were

605
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:56.480
you capable of coming in when you guys didn't have jurisdiction.

606
00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:01.480
It's like they're back and forth. Number six. The technical

607
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.000
assistance of the two investigators, specifically the services of special

608
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.639
agent who is an expert in the development of behavioral

609
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.679
profiles and an FBI agent who is a specialist in

610
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:15.320
the development of visual investigation AID systems, was offered to

611
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:18.039
the city on November sixth of nineteen eighty. At some

612
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:21.320
point in very late nineteen eighty or early nineteen eighty one,

613
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.559
a decision was made to send in more assistance. By

614
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.880
February eleventh of nineteen eighty one, some twenty six FBI

615
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.599
agents had been assigned to work with Atlanta's thirty five

616
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:35.119
member Special Task Force. Who made that decision? At what

617
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.840
time and when did additional help actually arrive in Atlanta?

618
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.360
Question number seven. At some point the FBI assistance and

619
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.559
Atlanta developed into an independent investigation, running on parallel and

620
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:51.840
sometimes counter tracks to the local efforts. At what point

621
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.920
did the assistance rgeon into a full investigation? Can you

622
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:59.079
provide some idea the number of agents and dates on

623
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.719
which they became active in the investigation, and of how

624
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:08.199
the investigation force grew Number eight. Once the FBI became

625
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:12.639
committed to the situation in Atlanta, their investigation proceeded on

626
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.840
a separate track from that of the Special Task Force,

627
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:18.880
which was made up of local law enforcement officials who

628
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.360
made the initial decision that the FBI not be a

629
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.400
part of the Special Task Force. So it's like they're

630
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:26.039
they're infighting.

631
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:33.400
Right, Well, it's I can since somehow we have you know,

632
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:39.400
people above the US government asking these questions and counting,

633
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:44.000
you know, and asking valid questions and saying, here's where

634
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.920
you have some weakness. You need to perfect this. And

635
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:50.719
of course you know there we don't know who this

636
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.320
person is and asking these questions.

637
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.079
Well, this is somebody from the Senate. This is from

638
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:01.280
the United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary. So I'm

639
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:03.800
trying to see if I can tell who it came from.

640
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:09.199
Patrick laheyt Now, isn't lay Heat one of the recipients

641
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:13.079
of anthrax letters? Holy crap?

642
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:15.599
Right?

643
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:21.159
So Patrick Lady eventually, yeah, he receives an anthrax letter

644
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:25.039
in the future. Oh guys, I'm.

645
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:33.199
Telling you, you know, maybe maybe interesting?

646
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:34.159
All right?

647
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:36.599
Number nine. Is it possible that the very structure of

648
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:42.159
the investigation simultaneous inquiries by two independent investigating groups fostered

649
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.559
much of the difficulty encountered in the investigation, would in

650
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:50.320
such an arrangement hinder communications, increase the risk of duplicated effort,

651
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.960
reduce the chance of apparently unrelated information coming together in

652
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.800
the process of an integrated investigation, and in other ways

653
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.679
better the often slow and piece meal development of a

654
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:07.400
successful investigation absolutely Number ten. Who was the two track

655
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:11.440
investigation in fact preferable in the beginning or did other

656
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:15.079
factors determine the structure of the investigation? Was the FBI

657
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:18.239
unwilling to be integrated into the Special Task Force? Or

658
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:22.039
was there an inability or unwillingness to integrate the FBI

659
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:26.519
into the Special Task Force? Number eleven. You were criticized

660
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:29.039
for your announcement that four of the child murders were

661
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:32.480
substantially solved at a time when Atlanta Police said that

662
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.480
they were not aware that any case was near resolution.

663
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.920
Could this have been avoided by having had the FBI

664
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:43.280
integrated into the task force? Similar criticism occurred following a

665
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.159
statement by an FBI agent not assigned to the case

666
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:49.920
at a Making Georgia Civic Club meeting that four of

667
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.559
the children had been killed by their parents because they

668
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:57.960
were considered nuisances Number twelve. Regardless of their effect on

669
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:01.880
the actual investigation, don't such a tempts statements undermine the

670
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.559
public confidence that law enforcement officials are dealing adequately with

671
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:09.960
these highly publicized cases? Number thirteen. Do you believe there

672
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.079
is any validity to the criticisms raised against the FBI

673
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:16.519
concerning the contact of the investigation from May twenty second

674
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:21.679
to June twenty first of nineteen eighty one? Number fourteen.

675
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:26.159
Is there any internal investigation underway of possible FBI misconduct?

676
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:30.880
If so, or I'm sorry if such an inter internal

677
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:35.559
review is complete. Were any problems discovered? Number fifteen. Was

678
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:39.840
the investigation of mister Williams, especially the occurrences immediately following

679
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:42.639
the incident at the bridge, less than a first rate

680
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:47.119
job in your estimation? Number sixteen? Do you think it

681
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:49.719
was appropriate for the FBI to press for an arrest

682
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.920
in the case before local prosecutors felt that they were ready.

683
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.280
Number seventeen. Finally, a high level official on the Special

684
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.639
Task Force was quoted in The New York Times last

685
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:03.199
July saying the FBI wanted to solve the case themselves.

686
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:05.840
They wanted all the credit, but instead they have made

687
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.800
it more difficult to resolve the guilt or innocence of

688
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:11.760
the suspect. What can we do and what can you

689
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:16.199
do to minimize the rivalries which can disrupt investigations if

690
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:18.880
the federal government is going to get involved more heavily

691
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.719
in crimes which in the past have been left to

692
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:27.159
the state and local authorities. Number eighteen. You recently responded

693
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.760
to an inquiry I made last summer concerning certain allegations

694
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:35.920
surrounding FBI agency misconduct on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

695
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:39.920
While your response was very forthcoming concerning the details of

696
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:43.360
the allegations, the overall response seems to draw no conclusion

697
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:46.199
from the pattern of activities which were occurring with respect

698
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.000
to Indian matters during the mid nineteen seventies. While it

699
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:53.400
is plausible to believe that Special Agent in Charge Trimbach

700
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:57.920
did not did forget about the wiretap application and didn't

701
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:01.320
know that mister Hurd was agreed to a polygraph of

702
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:06.320
mister Move's camp, and perhaps mister Hurd did forget to

703
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.920
turn over the two defense lawyers Jenks material provided to

704
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.400
him by the FBI, I was still left with the

705
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.840
feeling that these things were out of control during those days.

706
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:22.000
Was the FBI exerting sufficient management control over its agents

707
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.320
on the Pine Ridge Reservation during those events? Now, I

708
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:28.599
have no idea why anything on an Indian reservation is

709
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.559
coming up in regards to these cases. I don't that.

710
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:37.119
Yeah, why are they doing that?

711
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:41.599
Yeah? Why is this up in the middle of whatever's

712
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:45.000
going on here? And then finally number nineteen says, in

713
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:49.079
response to another issue, you stated any report to me

714
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.079
with respect to the investigations of the deaths of special

715
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:56.559
Agents Cooler and Williams. The Department had received various allegations,

716
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.199
but had not received any specific information or allegations which

717
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:04.119
had indicated that the FBI conducted any unlawful searches or

718
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:08.639
conducted the investigation as a reprisal or vendetta. Here August

719
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:12.159
nineteen seventy nine letters to Civil Rights Commissioned Chairman Fleming

720
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:16.920
also we're getting a lot of noise. Chairman Fleming also

721
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.239
refers to various general charges of agency misconduct at the

722
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:24.719
Pine Ridge Reservation, but to no specific allegations, and light

723
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:27.000
of those statements, I wish again to ask you a

724
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.159
question posed in my letter, but not directly answered by

725
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.840
your response, have you, since becoming director of the FBI

726
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.960
taken any steps to ensure that the constitutional rights and

727
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:41.320
liberties of persons living on Indian reservations are protected? So

728
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:45.880
there's another very interesting question which begs, we also have

729
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:50.239
two agents that died. Were these agents onto something? Did

730
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.719
they figure something out and they end up being a

731
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:56.400
casualty to not having this stuff solved? I mean, where

732
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:58.920
did this come up that these two agents end up dying?

733
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.880
And again, how does the Indian reservation play into what's

734
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:02.320
going on?

735
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.480
I can take a wild guest that because it is

736
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:13.639
true I have some relatives that people of color that

737
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:18.280
they're also Cherokee and so on, and.

738
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:21.119
We're going to have to pick this up. We're just

739
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.679
a fifty minute mark at this point, so I'm gonna

740
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:27.400
have to sign off. Tell everybody to have a great weekend.

741
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:29.960
Thank you, Harriet for your solves and for being here

742
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.360
once again. I know that this is all a bit

743
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:34.320
much for you, is what you have going on, But

744
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.519
I again wish everybody a wonderful week and we'll see

745
00:49:37.599 --> 00:50:01.199
the following Friday