Oct. 18, 2024

Oakland County Child Murders Part 8

Oakland County Child Murders Part 8

This episode focuses on the suspects in these unsolved murders. Two that we covered have been solved, and we will look at the number one suspect of Cathy Broad and Barry King which is Chris Busch son of a GMAC executive that was a pedophile who was...

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This episode focuses on the suspects in these unsolved murders. Two that we covered have been solved, and we will look at the number one suspect of Cathy Broad and Barry King which is Chris Busch son of a GMAC executive that was a pedophile who was able to escape most charges because of who his father was.

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to introduce to the show today, Harriet Souchet.

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Yes, good morning. It's going to be a great one.

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Yes it is. We've got our first ring here in

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California in the last couple of days, which was making

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everything extremely chilly, so we went from one hundred degrees

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to freezing cold again. Well, didn't Nolan.

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Deal with the scary wines last night?

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Yeah, the winds were crazy. We have Nolan del Campo

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with us this morning as well. Let's introduce him.

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Good morning, Nolan, Good morning, Good morning, Yes, good morning, Nolan.

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I just lost myself.

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Yeah.

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Actually I wanted to scare them for a moment.

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That's okay. I wanted to see if one could answer

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a question if he wants to come on the line

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with us. But I had a YouTuber comment. Frank Burnett

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said that in Hitting the Road episodes, I see there

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is a one, but there is skip numbers. I want

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to follow the order of them or does it not

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matter how to follow as they were meant to be?

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Is there something that I don't know about them getting

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onto my channel and being able to see episodes one

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through as we've done.

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If they get onto the playlist, the playlist will list

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them by date.

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So I just need to well, so they should be

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able to go to my channel then and find my playlist,

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the Zodiac playlist, right, okay, and that would contain even

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the pre records and the live ones, all of them

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in order.

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For our channel, Yes, for your channel, you might have

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to put them into the playlist.

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I put them in the playlist each time.

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Then they should be Yeah, they can organize it by date.

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Okay. So that's how I will respond. And for anybody

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out there that's listening to that right now, thank you

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so much. One you rock anytime and moving.

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Can I say something really quick? Can I say quick

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about that?

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No?

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I just wanted to say that when we do the

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shows and then I contact my family and friends, they

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tell me they're having a hard time finding the shows

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and I have to find a way to find it.

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So something's going on there. Okay, it should be easy

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to find your shows. We google your name, and then

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there's all kinds of the wonderful Apple, all kinds of

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places you're associated with. So I just wanted to add

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that you brought up something that I think maybe this

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person is finding. You know, it's like you're being.

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Screwed with well, and I found that for quite some

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time because I've had people attempt to Google finding the

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Zodiac channel or what have you in it always seems

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to be some type of complication with them being able

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to pull it up. And you could google me, you know,

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one hundred ways from Sunday and find me all day long,

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but how about my episodes? It does seem rather strange.

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And this is not the first time I've had somebody

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complain about the algorithm of YouTube for these channels. So

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we'll just keep on rocking it like we can, and

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like like one said, we're gonna start telling everybody to

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find the playlist.

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All right, So you on YouTube, what's that on YouTube.

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Yeah, no, but it's getting them to come in, getting

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them to come in order so that they can run

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through one through one eight. So, and I've said this before,

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people have gone on and say they say they got

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episode number one, and then typically speaking when they're watching that.

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could watch that should have been by should be by me. Unfortunately,

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YouTube actually throws up everything butt me to the right.

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So I was used to when I googled or I

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youtubed a video that had several different episodes, I could

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see the other episodes that person produced off to the right.

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That's not what's happening either. So I think that everybody's

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having a little bit of a problem trying to get

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to the next video or the next podcast in this playlist.

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So we're just going to start referring everyone to the playlist,

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all right now, Harriet brought I put this letter in

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here just because now I know that you and Harry

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had been talking back and forth about the possible meaning

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of this particular letter. It looks like it was sent

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December twenty ninth of nineteen seventy six, but the postmark

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on it is actually January sixth of nineteen seventy seven,

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So whoever wrote it obviously held up mailing it for

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a minute for whatever that reason was. It looks like it.

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Well it's all code, the whole thing, and that people

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are not going to be happy with this, and other

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people are going to be very happy.

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Well. I thought it was interesting because some of the

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writing on the envelope actually looks like some of the

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writing that we'd seen on the Sherry Joe Bates riverside

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exactly exactly. But here's the thing. I did not find

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that the writing in this was consistent with what we'd

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seen from the Zodiac case. So I know that Terry

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had passed this on to you to look for code,

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but let's we'll just take it for what it's worth.

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At this point, I don't believe it's Jacks handwriting. You

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even said yourself, you don't believe it's Jacks handwriting, but

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you do believe there's a possibility this that can be

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coming out of the same camp.

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Matt.

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Can you share the presentation so people can see it?

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Oh?

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I forgot to do that. Nobody can any one. I

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had it shared earlier, but I couldn't hear anything, so

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I had to back out and come back in. Here

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we go. All right, there's that letter. So it actually

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has a well I'm not even sure if that's a name.

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It looks like it's an address, but it has a

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very interesting number, I mean extremely long number for being

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an address. Is that one five six y one erste Yeah,

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Michigan code. Okay, So it's mailed to a Lieutenant Earl

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Ringer at the Royal Oak Police Department, Royal Oaks, Michigan.

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It says to whom it may concern, Lieutenant Earl Ringer,

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Jill Robinson was killed by her mother. Of all people,

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she was killed at home and she was not missing

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these days. There is no connection between the other crimes.

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Check for check her boyfriend, I mean her mother's boyfriend.

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So that's an interesting statement. Is that part of that

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secret witness stuff? Because clearly that this person is not

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signing and saying who they are.

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Uh, and his signed nineteen seventy five, So that's like,

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good lord, this is all code. Sorry, Yeah, well, I.

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Don't know who would have written that nineteen seventy five.

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I'm trying to see if I felt that it was

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consistent with any of these other It's kind of consistent

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with these other writings.

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What's that I said, it is not. Once I finished

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with this, I was floored, as it was from but anyway.

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Yeah, well let's bring that up. Yeah, I see that

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we have a whole Yeah.

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No, the froenvelope and the address and name lieutenant earl

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or whatever. The writing there is different than the writing and.

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The letter exactly.

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There is no different in this way. It's darker, doesn't

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look the same. It's like maybe two different people wrote.

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Well, keep in mind, like I said, that one was

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written on twelve, twenty nine, seventy six, so the letter

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was written in December twenty nine to seventy six, but

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it isn't mailed until January sixth of nineteen seventy seven.

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So they could have written this particular communication and then

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uh filled out the envelope at a later time or

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a later date when they actively mailed it. So I

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didn't do I didn't.

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Fine on the one.

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That's what Harriet just commented on, And I think that's interesting.

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We don't know. I mean, I can't imagine that law

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enforcement would have written nineteen seventy five on it because

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that predates the actual letters. So I'm not sure who

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wrote that or how that ended up on that particular Again,

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I I just saw this communication for the first time

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I think last week. Yeah, yeah, all right, so you

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have I'm showing now the actual makeup of this is

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this one a stentigraphic code.

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It's just all code. It's the same thing zodiac esque

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style of you know, Jack's world of identifying everything possible

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about the stamp, filling in who the address, the career

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to address, and to identify what's the correct ZIP code

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and then and agram. It was actually pretty easy for

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me to get the puzzle pieces together, but three days

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in a row I messed up on my putting the

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puzzle pieces together. So I don't I don't want to

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get into that. So it looks.

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Like you ended up with one thousand and eighty seven symbols,

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and clearly the communication doesn't have one thousand eighty seven symbols,

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but that means that you have you have on a

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brief such as the Liberty Bell stamp, which we know

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is a stamp that we found was consistent between both

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Zodiac and UH the Atlanta, Georgia child Killer. There's a

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session of stamps that are similar being similarly being used

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back and forth between those communications.

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There's a right, there's the liberty of them. Yeah, so

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that's why I picked this, because I said, I've done

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the others, but this was a sharp persion.

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Well, and then that brings us to the actual I

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want to say, this is the Bell letter message starting

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on seven, nineteen of seventy seven at nine nineteen fifty

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seven pm. Public Data Public Data Network facsimile. So these

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are the actual words that you used in order to

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anagram and create the message. Correct.

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Well, well, yeah, it was coming out with a lot

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of acronyms and then actual words, you know, like PDN. Okay, glads.

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I found that, my god, that was brand new and

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only the government and very wealthy organization's major hospitals had

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this new system and where you could fat time facsimile. Yeah,

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where you can fac simile complete images, very crystal clear,

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all kinds of stuff. So this is it just started

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in night really nineteen seventy six, when Jimmy Carter was running.

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Okay, that's interesting. I have a hold on one second

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because I just wanted to add to that. You're speaking

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about the fact simile, and I recall in Jack's stuff

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a facts that he had either received or sent, and

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it was of oh gosh, I'm not going to remember

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her name, a famous actress, but it was a picture

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of her on the facts that was as fairly clear

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as I believe that faxes could have been at that time.

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So it's interesting that you're stating that they can now

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send images and not just languige or text over the

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fact simile. Very interesting. So yes, let's go ahead and

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read this.

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Yeah, you want me to do, because I have it

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before me, so please do. It's amazing, Okay, it is

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again the Public Data Network facsimile. Naperville State Hospital to

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doctor Denay, I issue execute order seven help war crimes,

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Nasi people who killed your family Circus nineteen forty four,

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fifty of your loved ones fourteen F thirteen that's Nazi code,

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and I described it as fourteen for concentration camp inspectors,

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f for German word for death out of todes foul,

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and thirteen for carbon monoxide gas as cause of death.

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Then nineteen forty five, the ninety ninth Infanstry liberated the

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Jews the doc Cow area, three labor camps and one

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concentration camp. Nineteen forty five, after World War two and

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occupied Germany. Religious freedoms were relaxed on October thirty, first Halloween.

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and they could get passports so limited English proficiency. Lieutenant

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Colonel Conrad Schawling, a Lutheran with Reinhold Kuhl and Albert Durr,

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dressed as none the eastern right Catholic habits, carrying a

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seventeen fifty one Bible, left with the help of Harold

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Bush of General Motors in Germany and best friends Hermann

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Goring and Major Hans jeor Batcher, with almost over the

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a who printed lives on their passports. Provided they made

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their way to Vietnam. Then nineteen fifty four passage tough freedom.

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Let me stop for a few seconds there. Jimmy Carter

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often said tiff instead of two. So anyways, tef freedom

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with help of us and Barry King eighty eight that

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means Tyl Hitler Nazi from New Zealand and in parentheses

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mother brother Colin King Ansel are saying thing eighty eight

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stole all together. On vessel they traveled to the States

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to third Reich j W Mihelek Fort Collins, Colorado area

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nineteen fifty seven nineteen sixty nineteen sixty one got established

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in USA. You can check out the history of these

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guys anyways, so keep going with the letter okay. Each

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went by train to east to two eighty four Erskine

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House in Detroit, Michigan, then to Chicago area. I sent

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no Monescios to hunt who helped Shellong call and Deutscher

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the Nazi traders to kill five members of their families

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in the same Adolf Hitler way. Be rounded up, get rest,

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tricked into believing they're safe, be taken care of, see movies,

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eat their favorite foods, then afterwards in bondage and die

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by carbon monoxide. Pause. Pretty Christine Mihelek, ten years old

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on January two, nineteen seventy seven, held me nineteen days,

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then gassed and deep frozen thereafter ie thereafter was Tim King,

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eleven years old on March sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven. In

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parentheses eight KFC drank OGDA and then he's trying to

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say Stebbens was Nixon trader. Execute order was twelve in

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nineteen seventy six. Then future Prime shoot Tim's eighty eight

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Hyle Hitler, Nazi fifty one fifty Crazy's sister Kathy at

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nineteen years old and her boyfriend Christopher Bush at twenty

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seven years old. Next on Nuremberg trial and sentencing date

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for Hermann Goring anniversary of November twentieth, nineteen seventy eight.

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Jill Robinson. Her death is at by ed Bell of Texas.

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P asked question do you have shitty rat gut leave

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of mk ultra The two cent read Carmine read George

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Washington Bureau of Printing and a graving eleven millimeter by

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ten and a half millimeter perforations Cincinnati, Ohio. They payote

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on the stamp the command remedy. Yes, send some very

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fast via by way of His Holiness the Pope and

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Vatican code now in the public data network. Facsimile sent

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with words that have first message on envelope Doctor Dantal.

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Message signed Naval Reservist now President James E. Carter Junior.

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And then I left at the bottom that there was

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an image of the Liberty Bill somewhere's on this paper,

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and I signed it off. Message achieved to the best

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of my ability. Hats off to Jimmy Carter. He was

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going after the Nazis got chah.

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So yeah, did Jill Robin and death by Ed Bell?

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So where is Ed Bell? Who is Ed Bell?

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He's a he's a killer. He was also trafficking cocaine,

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all kinds of things and out of Texas and he's

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associated with them all people John Edward Walls Junior, and

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he's associated with the forty five killing cases. And they

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actually used ed Bell as a way to do a

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test marketing for Texas Most Wanted so they can have

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the America's Most Wanted show in the future. So yeah,

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So this is the second time it's saying through these

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Oakland County cases that Ed Bell is the killer of

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Jill Robinson. It was also I think in the secret

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Witness thing we did two weeks ago.

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Oh oh so okay, so we didn't have I okay.

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I was under the impression that that was by the

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same person who took out Timothy King and everybody else.

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So is he part of this group or is he

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just a killer?

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It looks like he's an opportunist killing the Saate Macobley

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that they that he killed for another reason, got her

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probably as usual, something to do with drugs and and

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he's from Texas and he came up to get her

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something like that, and they just used this as an

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opportunity to throw her also in the mix, to make

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it look like it's obviously coming out something that is

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really not. This is not about some yeah, this is

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not about some some pedophile going after little girls and boys.

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This is apparently as much people are not going to

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like hearing this for other reasons.

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Are you still there?

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Oh yeah, can you hear me? Okay, yeah, I'm here?

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Can you You know? You said people are not going

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to like this, but we lost you right after that.

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They're just not going to like a lot of this

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because this has been presented for the last forty something

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fifty years as a serial killer going after little boys

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and girls, and these three kids the main three. I

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keep on seeing Nazi connections and people doing living lives

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that they shouldn't have left, and you know, the kids

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dying because of that.

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Wow, well that makes it a little interesting, especially since

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the actual communication itself states that Joe Robinson is not

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part of the group of this serial killer's works, and

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now your message is yielding that it is somebody else

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who actually killed her. Very interesting, All right, Well, that's

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going to bring that's going to bring us back to suspects.

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And so we started or left off, I'm sorry, with

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the suspects or named persons of interest. This is that

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same article what we know about these cases in twenty

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twenty three. We started on last week. Now, of course,

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this gives us kind of a look back at several

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different people, and we can see Chris Bush over here

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to the left of the presentation. We can also see

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some of the other named suspects that were looked at,

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and so we're going to talk about them, says A

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suspect is not currently named in the Oakland County child

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killer case. Instead, investigators have several persons of interest in

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the case, people who may know or at least know

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of the killer. Many of the persons of interest have

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ties to crimes involving pedophilia. The evidence tying these persons

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of interest in the case range from DNA to flat

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out accusations. So one of their first ones, and I

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remember Sloan so Archibald Edward Sloane was investigators believed that

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he could have ties to the Oakland County child killer.

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Investigators found a hare in Sloan's what's that oh investigators

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found a hair in Sloane's car in nineteen sixty six

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Pontiac Bonneville. That is a DNA match to evidence found

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at two of the Oakland County child killer crime scenes,

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Mark Stevens and Timothy Kings. So interesting this is well,

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it's listing the two boys. The hair is not Sloan's,

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but police believe it belonged to someone he knows. Is

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believed that Sloan worked at a garage or gas station

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near ten Mile in Middle belt Roads during the time

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of the Oakland County child killer murders. The eighty one

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year old man was sentenced to life in prison in

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nineteen eighty five on two council first degree criminal sexual conduct.

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The charges were for an assault that took place on

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October first, nineteen eighty three. Sloane is alive and is

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still serving that sentence. So I guess that was so

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we in prison in nineteen eighty five, gotcha? And that

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brings us to Christopher Bush, says. For decades, victim's family

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members believed Chris for Bush was the Oakland County child killer.

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He was a convicted pedophile who lived in Bloomfield Hills.

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Bush's name first came up in nineteen seventy seven, when

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Gregory Green was arrested on child sexual assault charges. Green

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told police Bush killed Stebbins. Bush was arrested, and while

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in custody, he confessed to sexually assaulting a child. Green

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was convicted and sentenced to life in prison on child

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sexual assault charges. Bush faced the same charges and agreed

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to a plea deal. Bush was sentenced to probation for

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sexually assaulting James Vincent Gunnales, who was a child at

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the time. Gunnals told police Bush assaulted him at the

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Bush family cottage on s Lake in northern Michigan. Police

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got a call that Bush was at s Lake with

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three young boys, just three days before Tim King was

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found dead. Bush killed himself in nineteen seventy eight. Police

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sources told Local four that Bush's suicide appeared suspicious and

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may have been a murder. And that's what we're going

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to talk about. Blood Stained roots were founded Bus.

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I just wanted to lady, whenever you're ready, I got

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a lot to say about Christopher Bush.

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Yes, when I get there, right. So, bloodstained ropes were

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found at Bush's home. The ropes were kept in an

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evidence locker for years before they went missing again. More

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missing evidence. Why does that shock me? Photos from the

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suicide scene also show a drawing that was pinned a

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Bush's wall. It appears to be a drawing of a

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tortured child. Some believe the child resembles Mark Stebbins. In

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twenty twelve, police said there is zero evidence suggesting Bush

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was the killer. His DNA does not match the physical

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evidence investigators have. So there's DNA in this case. If

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they still have that, there isn't a piece of evidence

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that we can point to and say mister Bush killed

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Timothy King, Joe Robinson, Christine Mahelik, or Mark Stebbins, said

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then Chief Assistant Oakland County Prosecutor Paul Walton in twenty twelve.

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So it's been quite some time, but we know that

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this is the number one suspect for Kathy Broad. This

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seems to be who Terry Batcher thinks she focuses in

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on as far as the suspect is concerned. And that

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actually really brings us to some of the information that

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Kathy Broad has put out on her website. I believe

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this was set to me by her back when we

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were actually communicating in regards to my belief that there

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was some type of a connection between the communications of

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the Zodiac killer and the Oakland County child killer. So

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it shows Avian has reviewed police reports prepared by Bloomfield

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Township Officer Richard J. Mcnammy on November twentieth, nineteen seventy eight,

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and is thereby informed of the following number one. On

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November twentieth, nineteen seventy eight, Officer mcnammy was dispatched to

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thirty three ten Morning View Terrorists to check on the

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welfare of Christopher Bush. Mcnammy was informed by Christine Bracken

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that she was the Bush's made and she hadn't been

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able to get in the house that morning. The newspapers

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from three days earlier were still out side the door,

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and she suspected that something was wrong. She went to

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a neighbor's house and the neighbor called Christopher Bush's brother,

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Charles brook Bush. Charles had then called Bloomfield Township pet.

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Charles told officer mcnammy that Christopher Bush was living in

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the home with their parents, who were at the time

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in England. The officers made entry into the home. Christopher

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Bush was found to cease lying on a bed in

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a bedroom. He had a bullet wound in the forehead

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and a rifle was laying on the bed next to

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his body. The report was titled suicide. So what did

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you want to share about that, Harriet?

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Well, Number one, I've read enough about the last two

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weeks of Christopher Bush. His family obviously, whether they're Nazi

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or not connected, very intelligent, very smart, very international, very wealthy,

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and he was running a very successful restaurant that his

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father bought for him. So there's a lot of exactly magic. Yeah,

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Christopher Bush on a restaurant and was running a successful

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restaurant in his twenties. So I said, this is not

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a guy who's a crazy pedal file. Yeah, he got

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labeled as a pedal file, but that was, you know,

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a lot of things going on, especially when you see

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from the Nazi point of view, what they did to people.

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They labeled them pedal files. They let fool them crazy,

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then they were going to take care of them and

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take them away. So that's my viewpoint on Christopher Bush.

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He was the picture that they show them makes him

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look like he's a homeless deadbeat. Apparently he was quite wealthy,

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and I knew as it's saying right now, which you

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just read, he was living, you know, something that has

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to do with his parents and they were very wealthy,

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so I wanted to point that out about him.

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Yes, well, and so this is kind of a breakdown

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in a list of I believe some of the events

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in the case, more information that was probably gleaned from

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the FOYA files that Kathy brought has put together. So

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it's literally going down talking about the actual murders. It's

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talking about people who were spoken to or about and

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I'm just kind of flashing that on the screen so

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everybody can go back at some point in time if

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they'd like to be able to read that.

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Question. Okay, so they labeled a suicide, but they investigate

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any do any investigation in regard to a homicide. Well, it.

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Does, and it says that itself in this is that

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Bush's suicide appeared suspicious and may have been a murder.

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So they weren't settled in on the fact that this

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was an actual suicide. And I want to state that

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Terry had mentioned at one point in time that Chris

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Bush was actually found in his bed with his cover

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pulled up and the rifle off to the side. So

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if he had shot himself with it, how would he

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cover himself up? How would he place that rifle in

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any location outside of lane in the middle of his lap,

462
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.640
that's what he had actually used to kill himself.

463
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:16.039
If he was found that way, then they shouldn't have

464
00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:17.200
labeled a suicide.

465
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:21.799
That's crazy, exactly exactly. And so here's the picture of

466
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:25.680
Chris Bush's bedroom as it was the day that he

467
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:29.519
was found in what they referred to as a suicide

468
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.119
or was he suicided? So there's always that interesting factor

469
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:39.359
because we've seen several murders or even purported suicides that

470
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:43.160
appear to have some type of question behind whether or

471
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.160
not that person actually committed suicide or if they were killed.

472
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:48.839
So it's not the first time. And I think that's

473
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:51.880
what did they say the Clintons had something like a

474
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:58.440
hundred or more suicides surrounding them over their lifespan in politics?

475
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:00.759
Anistas?

476
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:09.759
I remember those days, Okay, the what the Clintons that

477
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.799
they were called going after them whatever.

478
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.599
They were, Yeah they were Yeah, So they were calling

479
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:25.240
the mysterious deaths done by the Clinton Nistas you know,

480
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:26.039
too many people?

481
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:31.400
Yeah, too many? I'm sorry, but I don't. I probably

482
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:34.480
know on less than one hand anybody who has committed

483
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.839
suicide in my fifty one years, So yeah, to have

484
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:40.519
more than one hundred and a lot of these people

485
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:43.319
were people who were either blowing the whistles on them

486
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.519
or sharing information, and next thing you know, they're either

487
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:49.160
attacked by the I R. S. Or they're dead. Eh,

488
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:51.200
there's your choices if you mess with the Clintons.

489
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.279
Vince Foster, Bence Foster comes to mind. I mean, okay,

490
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:57.799
we got to get back on track.

491
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.119
Back on track. So of course I have this phone

492
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.880
book over here to the right, which we had discussed

493
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:08.039
earlier in regards to Carol Settlemeyer having gone missing her family.

494
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:12.319
You know, she picked up and left Michigan in nineteen

495
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.359
seventy seven, not to be heard from again until nineteen

496
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.000
ninety three when rangers found her. But I did find

497
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.440
this phone book in Jack's belongings. And of course we

498
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:25.920
have receipts that bear the markings three. I can barely

499
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:30.799
read that three eleven seventy seven, and then the bottom

500
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.839
one is twelve, twenty seventy six. So we'll find that

501
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.440
these dates are actually within days of the children's abductions

502
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.799
and murders, and of course there's that consideration that Timothy

503
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.920
King had been fed fried chicken before he was killed.

504
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.440
And so I have wondered if there was any possible

505
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:51.720
way of actually tracking back or tracing back these particular

506
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:55.279
receipts to an establishment. But I really just don't find

507
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.160
the markings necessary, and I'm sure that would be a

508
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.680
very tough job to do, unless some out there knows

509
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:05.839
how I could do that. Here is some additional photographs

510
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:11.079
from the Bush suicide scene, and we see here that

511
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:13.279
these are the ropes they were talking about, the bloody

512
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:16.359
ropes that were found in Chris Bush's room. I believe

513
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:19.559
in the John Benet Ramsey matter, there was somebody who

514
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.920
had entered the family's holiday home in Charlevoi, Michigan, and

515
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:27.200
they also found rope in one of the rooms that

516
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.640
was not associated with the family. So this is a

517
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:35.440
running in here that we're seeing. And I'm not quite

518
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:40.559
sure why Terry found this one to be all that interesting,

519
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.559
but he had mentioned or commented on the nineteen seventy

520
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.640
nine VW Rabbit. I think that was probably more of

521
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.000
a relation to the jack rabbit theme that we have

522
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.480
going on in the Zodiac case. I think he felt

523
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:57.400
that that was literally a connection. And of course he

524
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.759
talked about the lighter inside the shop gunshell, and I

525
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:05.799
think that's about it for those pictures. Let's see, oh,

526
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.160
here it is. So this is kind of an actual

527
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.200
breakdown of the crime scene photo says, I have several

528
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.759
good reasons to suspect to suspect that this image found

529
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:18.480
at the cris Bush dust Sine is a very cryptic

530
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.880
crime scene diorama that was placed by a Zodiac jack.

531
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:24.880
It simply contains far too many Zodiac jack one on

532
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.599
one nuances and hints that pertain to the occ case

533
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.880
and other cases. Here are just a few that I see,

534
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.519
and at least one of which was pointed out and

535
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:39.799
identified by Bob Schiltz. And I believe that's a person

536
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:41.960
that he talks to in regards to his solves or

537
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:46.880
his beliefs. So he says, there is a key saver, Bobber,

538
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.799
and that is pointing. Oh so, a key saver Bobber.

539
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.079
That's for a boat, a big lighter, white in color,

540
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:59.119
a shotgun shell, a candy scoop. Where's that candy scoop? Oh?

541
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:04.359
I see it? A book, blue in color and eraser,

542
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.719
two each pens, one each pencil, one each marker. Nineteen

543
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:13.599
seventy nine, A V and W rabbit die sell, but

544
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:17.599
he broke apart the word diesel lined paper writing pad

545
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:21.480
turned ninety degrees. I don't know why he puts CCW

546
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.119
a rather large gauge piece of chain. A black and

547
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:29.039
white portable TV set with a VHF and UHF loop

548
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:32.519
antenna missing from the images. The bag of rope found

549
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.639
in Bush's closet. So in summery we have three each

550
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.000
of the Zodiac Killer's death threat threat methods, by gun,

551
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:43.719
by rope, and by fire Mike. Part of this message

552
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.239
serve as a key code for use on perhaps the

553
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:49.719
cryptic allen to doctor Danto letter. Did he ever discuss

554
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:51.800
that with you, Harriet?

555
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.559
A cryptic key code for the doctors? Tento?

556
00:34:57.559 --> 00:34:57.639
No?

557
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:02.559
I just I honestly, I'm not going to engage with

558
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:06.960
him on the emails, because so I think he tried to,

559
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:12.360
but I don't remember seeing it. So I'll gotchet. I

560
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.800
did what I did, and he was screaming at you

561
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.400
that that message that you had the bread lines on,

562
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:21.840
and I knew that that was the right message going

563
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:25.239
with this other one that he sent me. So anyways,

564
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:25.920
so no.

565
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.599
Yeah, well, and I do see the differences between them,

566
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:33.719
because I did a comparison of both, the one that

567
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:36.079
was supposed to have been typed verbatim versus the one

568
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:39.880
that was actually type written by a typewriter, and I

569
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.039
do see the differences. I do see that there are

570
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:46.719
missing points and missing sentences and other items that are

571
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:51.199
not spelled correctly based on the original type version. So

572
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:53.559
I still am going to sit down and type that

573
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:55.159
up so that I can get a good look at

574
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:56.920
it in the condition in which it was, and then

575
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:58.960
I'll send that over to you.

576
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:03.079
Yeah, so this is what that what the one that

577
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.079
you had with all the red lines. This is what

578
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:09.039
this is saying. And that Bell seventy seven thing, that

579
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:12.159
that was the message sent the way it was that

580
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:14.039
was faxed.

581
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:21.159
So so the tya, that's how it was faxed.

582
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.239
That's a fact, similey the whole thing, and it's there's

583
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.320
no envelope nothing, It just says there's a message on

584
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:31.480
the envelope, blah blah blah. That that nineteen seventy seven

585
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.039
Bell letter is also a fact, simily saying that that's

586
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:36.320
how that message was sent.

587
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.480
I was already okay, but the one that you the

588
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.199
one that viewed, was a retyped version from Kathy Broad

589
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.639
so we know that that was not what was sent.

590
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:48.039
The one that you viewed was the one that I

591
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:48.679
was given.

592
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.559
Michael, I'm hopping downstairs because this is saying that that's

593
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:54.599
what that said on it.

594
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:59.679
That the whole the pone anyways, we could see the

595
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:02.960
phone on it. It was it was. It was drafted

596
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.840
by a computer. It certainly wasn't tight version.

597
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.840
That's what this data system was done, is done by computer.

598
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.880
Well I get it by computer, but that's that font

599
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.360
I don't believe was available. But I could look, I

600
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.679
could check go ahead and Nolan.

601
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.719
So we'll just keep going photo.

602
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.719
It definitely does look like it's a pre arranged uh

603
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.760
set up there, like the way the lighter is placed

604
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:36.639
on the bulletshell in different things. It looks like, yeah,

605
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:40.360
someone intentionally put things in particular order.

606
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.400
That's a definitely interesting stacking of of miscellaneous items. For sure,

607
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:48.559
you think you got the lighter, shotgunshell, and a candy

608
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:52.519
scoop over the top of a book. I don't know

609
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.639
if I'd put all of that stuff together. So this

610
00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:57.480
is what Terry had to say. We and our core

611
00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:59.679
group agree that Chris Bush would not have placed such

612
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:03.079
an incriminating image on his or her own wall. It's

613
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.000
also amazing just how well the out of place flowery

614
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:08.719
blanket matches the print pattern and color of the address

615
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:11.199
book cover. I just think that's a coincidence, and they're

616
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:13.519
not exactly the same. I mean, let's look at that again.

617
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.760
We can see that the pattern on the book, this

618
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:20.639
is nineteen seventy seven, folks, So this is the motif

619
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:24.039
if you will, for lots of items during this timeframe.

620
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.440
But we can see that they're clearly not the same

621
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:29.760
flower patterns by any means. It's two totally different colors,

622
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:33.960
two totally different patterns. So I'm not sure what the

623
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:38.079
intention was to point out there. The brass candy scoop

624
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.519
theme with the shotgun shell thoroughly shadows that Joe Robinson's

625
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.079
shotgun murder. To those of us that are familiar with

626
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:47.039
how Zodiac Jack operated, we know with great certainty that

627
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:50.199
he murdered Chris Bush and thoroughly decorated the crime scene.

628
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.960
You have both the birope and by gun Zodiac Killer

629
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:59.880
Paradise spelled incorrectly, slaves, death threats. It's all actually evidentiary overkill,

630
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:05.119
a VW rabbit hole, a rather loud die sell, cryptic hint,

631
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:09.840
so diesel. Once again, he's broken into two words that

632
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:13.360
brings us to James Vincent Gunnals. James Vincent Gunnals told

633
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.760
Local four in twenty twelve they had nothing to do

634
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.320
with the murders. Gunnals DNA is a mitochondrial DNA match

635
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:23.639
to a hair found on Christine Mahelik's body. A mitochondrial

636
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:26.639
match means that the hair belongs to Gunnals or a

637
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:30.760
male relative on his mother's side. I'm not guilty that

638
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:34.400
there it is there, but at the same time, I

639
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.280
know how the state police twists words to their advantage.

640
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.239
Gunnals said in twenty twelve. My heart goes out to

641
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.000
those families, It really, really, really does. I don't feel

642
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.280
that they were serve justice through any of this. Gunnals

643
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:49.800
was only sixteen years old at the time of the killings.

644
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.000
According to the police documents, Investigators believed Gunnals may have

645
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:55.719
been part of a group involved in the child killings,

646
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:58.119
or used as a lure to draw kids closer to

647
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.760
the killer. So here they are all so believing that

648
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:04.320
there's a group involved with the Oakland County child murders.

649
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:06.159
Right, and he's just saying he didn't do it. He

650
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.400
didn't say he wasn't part of a bigger group.

651
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.599
Right, right. And I found it interesting that he said

652
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.440
really really really, because we were seeing a lot of

653
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:19.760
that please please, please, really really really in the letter

654
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:23.800
to doctor Dante as well well. And that brings us

655
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:27.599
to Theodore Lamborghin and Richard Lawson. There was a sex

656
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.800
ring that targeted young boys in Detroit's Cast Corridor in

657
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.639
the nineteen seventies. There were five men believed to be

658
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:37.199
involved in the ring. Theodore Ted Lamborghin and Richard Lawson

659
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.079
were the only two still alive when they face charges.

660
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.320
In two thousand and six, Lamborghin was charged with nineteen

661
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:46.199
counts of sexually assaulting children in laws and faced twenty

662
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:50.280
eight similar charges. So, if they're killers, why killed just

663
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:55.679
three or two boys but have nineteen to twenty eight

664
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.719
rape charges. If they were killers, you'd think they'd be

665
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:02.599
killing everybody, so there would be anybody to testify. I mean, right,

666
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:04.679
if you're gonna kill one, why not kill them all?

667
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:07.239
Yeah?

668
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:09.639
Just kind of a thought. I mean, being a pedophile

669
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:13.280
doesn't make you a killer. That's definitely. I would assume

670
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:17.519
that they're definitely pedophiles out there that would never actually

671
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.440
actively kill somebody, you know, that would be way beyond

672
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:24.159
their scope of sexual activity. It's the sex part that

673
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:29.800
they're interested in, and that's why they're pedophiles, says. Investigators

674
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:31.760
do not believe either man is the killer, but they

675
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:35.320
do believe they have valuable information regarding the case. Lawson

676
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.480
was serving a life sentence for murder when he told

677
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:39.360
Local four in two thousand and six that he knows

678
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:43.800
who the Oakland County child killer is. Lawson named Bobby Moore,

679
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.119
one of the deceased members of the sex ring, is

680
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:49.400
the killer. Lamborghin is still alive in serving his life sentence.

681
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:52.800
So have you heard of anybody named Bobby Moore? Harriet?

682
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.400
Nope, that name does not show up in any I mean,

683
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:02.519
how many of these I've done. Nope, Okay, yeah nothing.

684
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:08.920
That was Marshad's Originally, what's that for changing? Margarshad was

685
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:12.440
originally Bobby Moore. He plays a football player. Now it's

686
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:20.159
a celebrity married to police shod because yeah, ah, anyway,

687
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.000
that was his name is a coincidence?

688
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:28.159
Yeah, okay, and then our next suspect is David Norberg.

689
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.440
David Norberg was considered a suspect until nineteen ninety nine.

690
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:34.159
In August nineteen ninety nine, a team of experts flew

691
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.400
to Wyoming to exume Norberg's body. DNA samples were taken

692
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.559
and tested, but there was no match, so he's been excluded.

693
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.239
So they've excluded just about everybody, and they think just

694
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:47.000
a couple of people may actually have some information. Terry

695
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:49.639
went on to say, because the subject of David Norberg

696
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.039
is rather involved, I recommend that I offer you very

697
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:54.920
brief summary statement about the whole set of three hundred

698
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.760
and fifty five pages, which I believe is all on

699
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.119
this David Norberg. First four pages are general outline about

700
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:05.519
the OCCK cases and a summary statement about Norberg. Pages

701
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:09.239
five through twenty three cover the subject of Christine Mahelik,

702
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:13.000
her autopsy, medical reports, and personal items found on her.

703
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:16.639
For instance, in the personal items listed a red, white

704
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:20.320
and blue beaded necklace which caught my interest. The next

705
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:22.559
group of pages, from page twenty four to page one

706
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.280
h nine are labeled as being Department of Public Safety

707
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.920
City of Berkeley Narrative Report. The same group of pages

708
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.559
are centered around the subject of David Norberg, but they

709
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:36.280
address several different persons and co related sub subjects. I've

710
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:38.320
read these same reports in the past, but I set

711
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:40.920
them aside for the time being. There are some rather

712
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.840
astounding things to say about the whole works, but I

713
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.480
think we should and for the time being, address that

714
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.559
whole narrative at a later date. Meanwhile, I'll compose a

715
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.000
quick summary statement list about the Norberg factor, which can

716
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:55.480
be quickly read at your podcast. I'll get that back

717
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.400
to you just as soon as possible. Later this afternoon,

718
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.119
I'll gather up and ford the Chris Bush bedroom images

719
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:03.400
that I have. So we've seen that that's happened, but

720
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:06.320
it did not actually ever end up with the Norburg

721
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:13.079
factor summary as he had indicated. Let's see Terry on Norberg.

722
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:16.519
Oh No, here's the quick summary I lied Ah a

723
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:20.239
quick summary of the late OCCK suspect David Norberg. In

724
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:24.920
approximately nineteen seventy six to seventy seven, David Norberg made

725
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:29.199
the local cops BMF for bad Motherfucker's file file attached

726
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.519
page ninety two of three point fifty five for the

727
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:35.239
OCCK cases, but he was cleared. He and his wife

728
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:37.760
relocated to Wyoming, and he died in nineteen eighty one

729
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.760
in a car accident. However, his family thought he'd been

730
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.079
shot in the head because there was blood dripping out

731
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.599
the back of his head at the funeral. However, police

732
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:48.519
report says he was ejected through the windshield and his

733
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:52.599
head was crushed. His wife remarried within six months. That's quick.

734
00:44:53.159 --> 00:45:00.920
Fastward in nineteen eighty eight, and apparently his wife, what's that.

735
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.039
A few mo going out of his head?

736
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:01.920
Right?

737
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:02.400
Crazy?

738
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:05.400
That would be yeah, that'd be freaky. You shouldn't still

739
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.800
be bleeding at that point, right, you.

740
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.280
Should be take that care of by the mortician anyways.

741
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.760
Yay mm hmmm.

742
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:18.199
I'd see. So fast forward to nineteen eighty eight, and

743
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:21.039
apparently his wife and several other people were saying several

744
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.280
very negative and incriminating things about the deceased David Norberg.

745
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:27.000
Apparently the word got to the cops and media and

746
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.719
the race was on to Ioming and mainly because his

747
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:33.440
widow gave away a small cross with Christine as in

748
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:38.239
OCCK victim Christine Mahelik inscribed on it. That was supposedly

749
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:41.920
found in David Norberg's personal items. Well, the extensive Berkeley

750
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:44.960
Public Safety narrative files point Norburg as a very very

751
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:46.960
low form of a human being as well as his

752
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:50.760
family members. Lots of gumshoe work was involved, but basically

753
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.920
the whole works led to naught. I also attached page

754
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:57.000
eighty five of three point fifty five page file posted

755
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.960
by Kathy Broad. I moved that we postponed going into

756
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.440
to the Norberg files, but it is an interesting read,

757
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:05.360
and I can't discount the possibility that Norberg was possibly

758
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.719
an OCCK secondary operative. However, I'm very very certain that

759
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.559
he was not the primary operative, and so are my

760
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:17.719
main colleagues. Norberg was certainly not diabolically clever. The various

761
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:21.519
and key written documents from the OCCK case, like secret

762
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.800
witness doctor danto In a string of Zodiac speaking documents,

763
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.320
make several things very clear to us. We can always

764
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.280
come back to the Normburg case later on. Please check

765
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.119
out just these two annotated files for now. So he

766
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:36.519
believes that it's an interesting read and maybe he is

767
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.360
part of the group, but not necessarily the killer, as

768
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.000
we have just seen based on that article. He was

769
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:45.199
cleared by DNA for the ringleader.

770
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.760
Definitely maybe a participant, but definitely not one of the

771
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:50.840
lead people. Right.

772
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:56.280
And ninety two of the bad Motherfucker file reference is

773
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.800
what he calls this. It's actually where they've typed up

774
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.760
the information on Norburg and they literally did actively put

775
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:09.239
the State Police Task Force BMF file, and in pretencies

776
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.519
it says the BMF file is bad motherfucker's and the

777
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.559
file was for prime suspects, so that's what they called

778
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:21.000
the prime suspect file for the OCCK case. The number

779
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.239
two shot as used on Robinson. David stated that he

780
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:29.320
used number two shot when rabbit hunting. Interesting and this

781
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:34.199
has done the Norbird thing again. Murders not linked to

782
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.239
Oakland County child Killer. There are four other names that

783
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.880
come up when you search online for information about victims

784
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:43.000
of the Oakland County Childburner. Police have either disproven any

785
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.480
connection to the Oakland County Child Killer case or there

786
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:48.480
is no conclusive evidence linking them to the serial killings.

787
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:53.079
Those names are Jane Louise Allen, Kimberly, Alice King, Cynthia

788
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:56.280
ray Cadu, and Sheila Srock. What do you say about

789
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:59.639
those particular victims, Harriet.

790
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.440
I want to look into them to see if there's

791
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:09.519
any loose connections, you know, as in they were is

792
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:15.119
this before the King and Mahilek and step Ins murders

793
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:15.760
or after?

794
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:20.159
Yes, yes, I believe that these four were. No, these

795
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:22.760
four already occurred, they had already happened. I want to

796
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:23.920
say they were just a bit.

797
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:28.880
They may be witnesses. I mean, in my view it's

798
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:32.119
possible one or two maybe witnesses of certain things that

799
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:35.519
were happening, and they could have been taken out of

800
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:39.320
the equation, but maybe not just by Jack but other people.

801
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:41.719
So I wanted to look into them. I did see

802
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:43.199
those names, Okay.

803
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:44.920
I will shoot you up for a picture of this

804
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:46.840
so that you can look at it. I do note

805
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.119
that there's a king, Kimberly Alice King. We had a

806
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.400
Timothy King, we had the Jane Louise Allen, and we

807
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:56.639
had Allen as the letter the accomplice. We're just about

808
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:59.039
out of time. We're working down on our last minute here.

809
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.719
I want to thank you for your efforts and your

810
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:05.599
souls again, Harriet, they never cease to amaze me. And

811
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.119
Nolan for being here. Everybody has been absolutely amazing. I

812
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:11.320
think this kind of rocked it. We'll take a look

813
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:13.639
at these individuals later and see if there's anything you

814
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.559
can come up with on those. Is there anything like

815
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:17.639
you guys would like to add?

816
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:20.519
Oh well.

817
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:24.800
Yeah, right, all right everybody.

818
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:27.960
Yeah, you have a great weekend, and I'm probably moving

819
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:28.559
next week.

820
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:33.280
Awesome. I'm excited for you. Yeah, all right, you guys, well,

821
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:35.519
everybody take care. I have an amazing weekend and we'll

822
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:50.519
see you next Friday.