Oct. 11, 2024

Oakland County Child Murders Part 7

Oakland County Child Murders Part 7

A letter was sent to Dr. Danto, a psychologist, and the author is asking for him to respond in code in the newspapers. One message stated, “Pray it doesn’t snow,” and the response should be, “The trees bloom in three weeks,” in order to escape...

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A letter was sent to Dr. Danto, a psychologist, and the author is asking for him to respond in code in the newspapers. One message stated, “Pray it doesn’t snow,” and the response should be, “The trees bloom in three weeks,” in order to escape suspicion of the accomplice purporting to be willing to turn in the suspect that has made him a slave. Hear Harriette’s solve on this letter, and cover a 2023 synopsis of facts, suspects, and Cathy Broad’s trail of thought.

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Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding

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the Zodiac. The Nette Bartow here we're going to invite

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to the show, Harriet Souchet.

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Yes, good morning, Good morning. Okay, I can't wait to

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do this show for you start.

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I am going to be excited to do it and

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make it through it without having any issues in the

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reading department. I did do a breakdown of the original

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letter which Terry B had sent over and a comparison

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of that to what was supposed to have been a

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typed verbatim message. I do find that there are several

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missing pieces, even some things that were not spelled precisely

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the way they were in the original letter. What did

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you work your solve off.

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Of It's the one that you sent me that has

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your marketing's the red.

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Law okay, so I'd like to correct your I am

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not able to hear. I am not able to hear

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you right now, something is going on. Oh my goodness,

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now I can hear that. I can hear all my goodness.

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Okay, this is really weird. The version that you have

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that has your markings on it. It matches up with

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that bell letter thing. So whoever is telling you that

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this is not correct, I'm in my view that that's

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the correct version.

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Well no, no, no, I I literally okay, So on the

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screen right now, and I know you can't see this,

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but I.

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Have the original. I can see the screen.

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I can see beautiful. Okay, So that is the one

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Terry scent. This here is the one I'm reading off of.

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Yeah, that's the one I use.

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Okay, So what I'm saying is this one has more

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content than this one does. There are actually missing lines.

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I'm missing one, two, three, four, five, six different lines,

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and some of the items were not spelled verbatim as

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they were in this original typed letter. So I'm just

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wondering if it shouldn't be reworked from the actual original

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versus the retyped version I was given. And I believe

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I received this from Kathy Broad. I wanted to see

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what the contents of this letter was, and this is

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what she sent me. But it doesn't appear as though

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it's typed identically in the way that this other one is.

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But I think that I can probably maneuver doing that

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for you, so that you could work off of a

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clean copy of the way that this whole thing is

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typed out.

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Sorry for the laugh, but I know things now. But anyways,

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right say, because please send me that other copy and

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I could work with that. But how this version is

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typed up, it is flawlessly matching with something else.

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God, is that the other letter that you were saying

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was the Zodiac camp but not Jack's writing. Yes, okay, okay.

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I'm gonna be finished with that in a few days.

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But it says something about this doctor Danto letter.

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Well, let's talk about some of these things, because I

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did put up here the fact that the Deer draft

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board letters were the best comparative value for a communication

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from what I believe to be the Zodiac along with

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this particular typewritten message. And the reason why I found

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that they were a good match is because of the

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use of the number eight instead of the apostrophe in

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the words like don't care. So over here to the left,

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I have items that came off of the dear draft

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Board letter and every but he needs to remember that

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the Dear draft Board letter is also discussing Vietnam, so

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or the individuals pretending that Vietnam was the military he

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was in. And we see that he wrote signed at

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the bottom before his name, and we see that in

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the Doctor Dante letter I signed Allan, So we see

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signed actually typewritten and in handwriting. But then we see

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the don't with the number eight and the shouldn't with

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the number eight. This is the same as didn't with

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the number eight and shouldn't with the number eight from

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the Doctor Dante letter. Now I know that reading it

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is a very tough read, because the individual is attempting

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to dumb down their writing or make it look like,

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at a minimum, that English is not their first language.

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I find linguistically, there's far too many correct use of

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the English language that I do not believe somebody who

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had English as a second language would have been able

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to pick up on and use. Tenses are one of them.

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I see and hear when he says it would screw

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up your mind too. He is properly using too. He

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uses I would say, more of an English bonyx if

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you will, where he uses the word gotta go O

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T T A and fucking f U C K I N.

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I feel that this person has a very good grasp

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of the English language and they've just attempted to dumb

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themselves down with this particular letter. Some of the lines

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that we were missing in here, which I thought were

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interesting was uh, Doc, it gotta be fucking' noom. I

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did not read this off last week because it's not

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in that verbatim typed version. It says you ever be

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over there, it would screw up your mind too, And

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that's where we find the t oo that is being

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used correctly. I also found lines that had hyphens, so

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this particular typed message, and we know that hyphens and

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the breaking of words are something that we quote for

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the zodiac, and this one after trees bloom in three weeks,

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we've got six high. I don't know if that played

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into your particular solve or not, because it wasn't included

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in this verbatimly typed version. It says, also you understand

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and what I say to you it be code. So

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here we are discussing newspapers codes. Speaking in codes, you

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make it to say trees bloom in three weeks, I know.

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You get my letter in under and he wrote stand

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with st DNA. So these lines were actually missing. And

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then I find that there are words and letters that

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are missing throughout this particular verbatimly typed version, so it

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is not verbatim basically is the bottom line either way.

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I still think the contents of what it has we're

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going to cover quite well today. So I'm not going

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to try and go back through and read this until

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I retype it properly so that it is completely typed

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in the manner in which the letter was initially executed.

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So one of the things that we go back and do,

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which is what I was trying to do after last week,

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once I read the letter, I want to go back

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and then discuss the different linguistics and use of words,

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and the spelling errors and the other things that we're

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going to see that are consistent with what the zodiac did.

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So this had an unknown date on it. It was

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a letter to a psychiatrist, doctor Dante. We have to

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remember that in the Dear Draft Board letters that the

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author was talking about having seen a psychiatrist and he

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had been torn apart and put back together again. I

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think that that would adequately explain what like MK Ultra,

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are you okay right? No, I did it, so I

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had put on here that I needed to compare the

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Dear draft Board Jacks Japan letter and Patricia Howts and

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the Sherry Joe Bates matter because these are all Taie

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written communications. And as I was staring at this particular

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communication today the original version, it does appear that the

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typewriter is similar in the makeup of its letters and

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the punctuation and everything else. So I'm kind of interested

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in seeing if it is identical to what we're seeing,

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even though they're approximately nine years apart. So basically, greetings

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on the envelope was most, very important, most urgent, This

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is Zodiac or the Los Angeles murders, the Tom Voight letters,

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Tim Miller, it's a very most very important, or just

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urgent and pleased. These are all words that were used

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during all of these other communications that we've talked about.

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He said he's desperate and he wants help, and that

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is Zodiac and these dear draft Board letters he's acting

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as though he is sick and created to be sick

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by the government and is looking to be healed. I

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guess if you will, he says, nearly gone crazy, which

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is the Dear draft Board letter. Buer crazy the psychiatric

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or psychiatry mentioned in the Dear draft Board letter. He's

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actually mailing this to a psychiatrist. Can't help me and

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wants help is Belle letter. Zodiac lipstick killers stop me.

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All of this can't help me. If I can't help,

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you can't help, then you can't stop me. But that

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leading for it. He also mentions his slaves. So Zodiac

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Big Persona was to take slaves for the afterlife. He

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picked up the ones he killed. Supports the second suspects involvement.

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So we've been talking a lot about the possibility of

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more than one person being involved in these cases. He

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says that stuff that was stuff, right. He says they

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were stuffed in close hampers. Jack is still fighting for

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disability from Lake Tahoe City. Lenen and Cameron Parkshell. The

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laundry murders in San Francisco were committed by the Zodiac,

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as you believe, right, Harriet. The where there was neatly

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folded clothing that was found along a root right leaving

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the crime scene.

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Yes, this pertains to in this particular doctor Danteler. Well,

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it's called the Holiness code that's in our livery built

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from seventeen to fifty one. Testing that so much that

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I read a little more so all the links together,

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it's amazing this. Let me okay, everything being laid out. Yes, well,

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we're going to get you. We're going to get you

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your solve once I'm done with this. So cleaning of

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the body and clothing has been a normality in these

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murder spreez along with the waterway dump sites. We saw

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that the gremlin was spelled correctly in one line and

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misspelled in another. This is exactly Zodia one O one,

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the Ohio claimed for one of the early Michigan murders

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where he left the body floating in the Miami River

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is a cross connection to his Florida activity Miamisburg, Ohio.

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He's talking about killing people in Vietnam. It's real beautiful

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of their doc That's something that Denny Terrence actually wrote

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on a picture he sent to Jack. So a very

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strange statement for somebody to say that it is beautiful

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in Vietnam when they're killing people with napalm and they're

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just decimating all kinds of women, children. Sometimes, I mean

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that stuff was hitting our own people. So let's see,

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he called.

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Home or wrote home and indicated that Jack was missing

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out because it was a hunting season there all year round.

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After returning home, Denny became a long haul truck driver,

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so he's I'm going to guess all over the place.

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Not to mention that Jack has relatives or friends in

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nearly every central location of all these crimes. Get nothing

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back for what we did for our country, so he

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hates everybody and wants to get back at them. That

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kind of reminds me of your Solves, where Jack is

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upset with the mk Ultra program and now the work

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com system is screwing with him. But in all fair ands,

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Jack isn't really disabled as far as I'm concerned, it

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does not appear that he is.

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He says he's going to the cover. I think it's

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just I mean, he's got problems, but I think it's

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being used as a cover for what he's doing.

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Right, So screwing with him, but on fairness, okay, go

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he says he's going to kill some more so even

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though he doesn't, and it's the same taunt as all

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the other communications in these crimes that there will be

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more and that started as early on as the lipstick killings.

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I'm going to commit suicide. We've seen this in the

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Riverside Phantom letters and the Zodiac letters will turn him in.

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This has been a theme that's been going on since

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Georgette Bauerdorf Black Dahlia, the other long Los Angeles Riverside

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activity and tearing themselves into a bar or a tavern

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or other such place as all can assistant and the

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please please please not print this in the papers, a

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contradiction to the most most of the other serial killer's

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request to print, and it sounds like he really wants

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this to be talked about. He says that we never

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be caught reoccurring statement from all these cases get back

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to him with code and papers. That's Zodiac Scorpion Albany,

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New York, Sacramento received codes that the killer requested to

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print or house. I believe even in the in the

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Tom Voight letters, he was instructing him on how to

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make contact without mailing his PO box because and that

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was I believe through his show or through some other

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method or means, rather than a direct contact. The request

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to print in free press was the DC Freeway phantom.

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Another case, the letter was sent with free written in

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the postage area. And also when he wrote free way,

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I believe that free was a standout portion of that letter.

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Author attempts to make himself sound as though he's a

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foreign er, that he is English or English as a

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second language. But there are several instances where he speaks

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and articulates with perfect understanding of the English language, which

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contradicts the attempt to declare that he's foreign. But we

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also saw that in the anthrax letters that he was

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attempting or the perpetrator was attempting to appear as though

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English was not their first language, or that they were

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not of American descent. This is the same in the

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John vne Ramsay ransom note in nineteen ninety six. And

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like I said, the Anthrax, so find the reference to

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the gravel pit that one of the kids were found in.

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I must not have seen that either way. That actually

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brings us to yourself. So do you want to read

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your emails here before we go into the solve. Are

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you able to see that? Harriet? What's that? You're cutting out?

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Again?

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Cutting out? It's very much hitting home for me. Okay,

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I'm having a hard time understanding you. What's that?

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Okay? The thing that mic is muted? Okay, now, okay,

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can you hear mel Yes?

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Can you hear me?

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Yeah? You read? The email is very tiny? So okay,

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says he in aad.

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This is it. I'll send a nice and neat full

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decoded version later. Nsh is Naperville State Hospital, where doctor

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Danto and doctor tanay both are Jewish. Were connected to

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doctor tanay Is in a nineteen seventy news article for

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deprogramming a girl who's hypnotized like mk Ultra, So did

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do deprogramming? Doctor to Nay knew Melvin Belli and was

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on Jack Ruby Belli's defense side. Hits home for me

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is my family attorney Jewish William Bernstein worked in the

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Belli group and on the Ruby case. And mother's dear

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family friend Jewish as well. Nurse who delivered me and

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siblings at Mount Zion in San Francisco, New Bernstein.

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Wow.

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Another Terence surprises Mahilick is Nazi Fort Collins, Colorado, area

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and Hitler third reich landowner in Colorado. And then Jack

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says they're in Cotton, Minnesota and working as vendor services, food,

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janitors and more for Utica Community Schools right next to

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Oakland County. And so who are you saying that is working.

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There, He's saying, Jack is saying himself. But I remember

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hearing that Nora often worked like at schools and stuff,

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you know, different jobs.

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So the secret Witness letter alluded to somebody being at school.

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So that's wow. Oh I just got goosebumps. I like it. Yeah,

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all right, so let me I'm gonna finish your second one,

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which is the high Both what's that?

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Uh? Keep going?

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Okay, says hi, both of you. There's so much to

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cover in this letter. Doctor Tanay did DODO programming, Melbelli

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and worked with Jack Ruby defense my family. Oh I

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think this is almost this is almost exactly. Let's see

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almost Ruby Ka who knew my mom's dear friend who

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was a gb y n nurse, delivered me and other

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siblings in San Francisco. Jack brings up about Dennis's dad,

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Dennis Lee Kaufman Senior, that his beautiful wife is now

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with him at the moment in Conton, Minnesota. He says

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atomic energy guy JW. Mahelik is a Nazi third reich

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Man who had the Hitler Colorado property. Brings up about

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Vietnam nineteen fifty four Passage to Freedom brought French and

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Vietnam events speaking Catholics to South the safety away from communists.

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I think that was supposed to say in North v

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Another hit home for me. My USMM hazard duty Navy

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reserved dad took part, was Athlic and spoke French. Jack

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is pleading for help to get that red stamp MK

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ultra cure. All right, so we see what you've done here.

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And obviously these are not all the letters that are

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in this particular letter. So what portion of it did

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you use?

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Oh? I can read it as best as I can.

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It's well, it's at the top is doctor Dante most

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very important urgent please and then the misspelled desperate misspelled,

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haven't misspelled comit? Oh, can't uh and don't Yeah, just

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everything that's at the top there is when I used misspelled.

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Okay, so you went with everything that was misspelled basically,

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and then.

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The very weird pripology, the weird please please, I mean

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so It just really stood out because I've done so

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many of the zodiac ones, the scorpion cipher stuff, the letters,

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so there's a lot of stenographic code in there, and

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apparently that's a part of a code from seventeen fifty one.

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Really jeez.

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Yeah, So shall I read it to you as a

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best as I got?

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Absolutely?

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Will Yeah? Oh okay, I'm so thrilled with this. It's

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to Naperville State Hospital doctor Emmanuel Tenay udprogrammed every secret thing.

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Patty Hurst to tell the truth, I confess I did

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kill Richard Nixon, trader Robert Stephen's boy at Oakland County

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and Fort Collins third Reich eighty eight, which is HH

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for Heil Hitler German landowner General Electric and Rico Fermi

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Nuclear Power Plant guy JW. Mihelek daughter. Then nineteen fifty

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four Vice President Richard Nixon, you went funded Vietnam, Passage

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of Freedom, US Navy Barry kingboy, you ire UBI use remedium.

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That means where's the damn remedy? Doctor Tenney, Please help me.

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I'm ill and I'm desperate. Please save me. I'm under

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shitty old deviant Sydney Gottlieb mind control program do you

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have the red stamp ad usum which means for use

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or the sun day LSD after Midnight remedy? If true,

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please send it in a letter to Nomannesio Dennis Kaufman Senior,

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Beautiful wife Nora who's now with me in Cotton, Minnesota.

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And it's a Utica Community school vendor coj W. Terrence

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mown Away.

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Yeah, that it's actually talking about. We know he's in Cotton,

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Minnesota at this point, that's for sure. It's running along

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the same lines as what we know about the MK

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Ultra program. And now it is naming doctor Emmanuel Tonay,

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who you said works with doctor Dantell.

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He's a very prominent and famous psychiatrist, medical professional. And

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how it just loops back to he knew Liam Bernstein,

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people connected to my family. He's very very prominent. And

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if I remember correctly, being from San Francisco, the rumors

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were Patty Hurst was deprogrammed by this doctor.

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Huh, Well, we know that they can't claim that she

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had been brainwashed and that's why she got parted, right, Yes,

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I mean how long would it legitimately take somebody to

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be brainwashed by this program? I can't imagine it's something

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that's quick. We take time, right.

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Yes, I think it took months. And the reason why

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I said that that's the rumor is because the police

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officer she later did marry during that time period was

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working in the Ingleside Police Department, which covered my neighborhood.

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So we met that we Schnolan was.

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Here, he would be able to answer how long she

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was active for when she was supposedly brainwashed and made

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to Robert Bank. That just sounds it just sounds too

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too oh gosh, sensational to not be something that Hurst

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would have monopolized on obviously for money making reasons and selling.

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He just seized it as an opportunity, you know. It's

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just they're in the business to sell papers. They're like, okay, kid,

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you you are. You've been brainwashed, but you're gonna sell

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papers and don't tell her.

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So yeah, all mixed up with the SLA Well, I

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did actually get this article from Tony once again. He

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had given this to me, and this is kind of

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an update on what they say. They know everything we

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know about the Oakland County child killer case. Four children

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murdered between February nineteen seventy six and March nineteen seventy seven.

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This was oh stop already mute. So Oakland County, Michigan.

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It has been forty seven years since the first known

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victim of Oakland County child killer was abducted and murdered.

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Mark Stebbens, twelve, vanished on February fifteenth, nineteen seventy six.

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He was found dead four days later. Police believe a

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serial killer murdered Stebbens and three other children in Oakland

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County between nineteen seventy six and nineteen seven, so they're

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only attributing four murders altogether to this. The children were

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all last seen within a mile of Woodward Avenue. They

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had been fed and cared for until their murders. The

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killer or killers bathed them and made them bathe. The

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killer is known primarily as the Oakland County child Killer,

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but they are also known as the babysitter or the

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babysitter Killer. The investigation into the several serial killings was

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the largest of its kind in US history at the time.

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Michigan State Police confirmed the investigation is still open and

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all new tips are investigated as they come in. Anyone

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with information should contact one eight five five Miichtip, which

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is Michigan, but just micch and tip tip. So eight

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five five six four two four eight four seven. Some

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of the events described in this article are disturbing. So

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let's see. There are four children police considered confirmed victims

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in the Oakland County child killer case, Mark Stebbens twelve,

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Robinson twelve, Christine Mahelick ten, and Timothy King eleven. All

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four children were murdered between February nineteen seventy six in

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March nineteen seventy seven. So we literally have what appears

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to be a thirteen month killing spree, which is about

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the amount of months that the Zodiac was in play

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before he disappears, and we don't see any of these Again,

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two of the victims were girls and two were boys.

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Police believe only the boys had been sexually assaulted. The

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cause of death in three of the cases is listed

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as suffocation, but Joe Robinson was murdered with a shotgun.

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So what I found interesting is we've already seen in

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some of these documents that Terry had put forth that

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there was no sperm located or found on some of

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these victims. So it would be interesting to note and

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I have not seen their autopsy reports, whether or not

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there was anything that indicated or what type of sexual

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abuse that they suffered from the murder of Mark sevens.

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He had been missing for four days before his body

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was found near an office complex in Southfield. The twelve

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year old boy spoke to his mother on the phone

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at one thirty pm on February fifteenth, nineteen seventy six.

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He called her to let her know that he was

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leaving the American Legion Hall in Ferndale to head home. Now,

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we've seen some of these crimes that have been around

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the veterans' hospitals, the American Legion halls, the Veteran halls,

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We've seen more than once that the American Legion or

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just like the local convenience stores are places that these

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children are going missing. It says he never arrived home.

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His mother called Ferndale police at eleven PM that night

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to report of missing. His body was discovered on February nineteenth,

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to nineteen seventy six. A businessman named Mark, and I've

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tried this before, I'm not going to try and say

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his name, was walking toward a drug store located inside

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the New Orleans Mall when he thought he saw mannequin

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dressed in a blue jacket and jeans. As he approached

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the object, he realized he had discovered a child's body

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that was around eleven forty five am. Another person told

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police that they walk their dog around that parking lot

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at nine thirty am, the morning the body was found.

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The man said his dog was on a twenty foot

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leash and they would they walked around that part of

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the parking lot. He said that if the body had

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been there at that time, his dog would have found it.

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If the man is correct, that means Mark's body was

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not in the parking lot at nine thirty am, but

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it was at eleven forty five am. And we talked

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about how ballsy that is that somebody would be dropping

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him off in broad daylight next to a mall in

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a parking lot. We did see this picture. Mark was

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a seventh grade student at Lincoln Junior High School. He

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was four foot eight inches tall and weighed approximately one

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hundred pounds. The autopsy listed his cause of death as

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asphyxia by way of smothering, and noted rope burns on

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his neck, wrists, and ankles. He had been sexually assaulted

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a l Brooks Patterson, who was on who was the

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Oakland County prosecutor at the time, said Mark's body was

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washed by an autopsy team, washing away any fingerprints. Gosh,

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you know the forensics one oh one.

460
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:07.079
I'm just hoping that maybe something can come, say something, Yes,

461
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.079
can I say something really quick? This holiness code, which

462
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.559
goes back centuries, it talks about cleaning the bodies after

463
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:19.559
certain things happen. So they're blaming. In my view, they're

464
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.720
blaming this, but this was already done. It's left as

465
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:28.240
a message. It's disgusting. But wash them anyways, that's why. Yeah,

466
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:32.319
to clean them, wash them, to clean their clothes, you know,

467
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:40.799
iron them really amazing. So Jack is using this code well,

468
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:41.759
he says, I would.

469
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.720
Hope that if anybody out there has information in this

470
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:45.880
case that they would please put it forward because it

471
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:47.960
has been a very long forty five years for me

472
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:52.240
with no answers at all. And that's from Mark's brother,

473
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.920
Michael Stebbins. Joe Robinson had been missing for four days

474
00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:58.680
before her body was found on the side of ice

475
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:01.400
seventy five to twelve years girl left home on December

476
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:05.440
twenty second, nineteen seventy six. After an argument. Carol Robinson,

477
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.839
Jill's mother, said they were arguing because Jill had been

478
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.160
asked to make biscuits for dinner and she refused. Carol

479
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.599
told Jill to leave until she became part of the family. Ooh,

480
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:20.000
she like literally kicked her out. Jill went to her room,

481
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.079
got dressed, packed up clothes in a blanket into a

482
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:24.680
denim bag, and left. She rode her bike away from

483
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:26.920
her home. Jill was spotted by a family friend at

484
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.160
a hobby shop on Woodward Avenue, just four and a

485
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.319
half blocks away from her home. Jill's father, Thomas Robinson,

486
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:35.559
called the police at eleven thirty pm the day she

487
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.559
left to report her missing. Witnesses said they saw Jill

488
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.480
in the doughnut depot on Maple Road between six am

489
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.279
and seven am that morning. Her body was discovered on

490
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:46.519
the side of I seventy five, north of Big Beaver

491
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:50.079
Road on December twenty sixth, nineteen seventy six. Her killer

492
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.480
had transported her there and shot her at close range

493
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.599
in the head with a shotgun. She was laying on

494
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:56.920
her back and was fully clothed. Police said there were

495
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.759
no signs of sexual abuse. This kind of just gives

496
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:04.880
you just a map they are showing of where the

497
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:07.720
dump sites. This map was made with Google Create your

498
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.440
Own Oakland County Child Killer. I don't think they actually

499
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:13.720
gave us a key to determine what they're meaning by it.

500
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:19.079
Either these are sightings, vehicles dump sites. Maybe the vehicle

501
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.839
is where the pickup was and the X is where

502
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:23.599
the bodies were found. And it kind of looks like

503
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.960
it because we see one really close to Royal Oak there.

504
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:31.480
The murder of Christine Mehelick had been missing for nineteen

505
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:33.680
days before her body was found in a snowbank in

506
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:35.839
Franklin Village. The ten year old girl lived with her

507
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:38.160
mother in Berkeley and was a fifth grade student at

508
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.839
Pattentill Elementary School. She was last seen on January second,

509
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.519
nineteen seventy seven. She left the Bowling Alley where her

510
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.920
mother worked, to go to a seven eleven store, So

511
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.200
now we have that convenience store, just like we're going

512
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:54.000
to see with Timothy King. She left the Bowling. Her

513
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.359
body was discovered by a mail carrier in a snowbank

514
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.400
at the end of a dead end street in Franklin

515
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.920
Village on January twenty firstnineteen seventy seven. Her body was

516
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.079
so frozen officials had to wait until the next day

517
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.279
to perform an autopsy. Now, what was interesting is that

518
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.039
we talked about, or at least I had researched, that

519
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:14.359
there were tail lights left in the snow next to

520
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.359
where her body was found, indicating that the driver of

521
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.240
the vehicle had backed up into a snow bank and

522
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.480
left the impression of a rear tail light. Though I

523
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.599
don't know if they identified what type of a vehicle

524
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:31.079
that came from. Police said there were no signs of violence.

525
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:31.920
And she was a statable.

526
00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:42.640
What's that cutting out again, I can't understand you.

527
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.799
I'm saying it's most likely a GM vehicle because GM

528
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.200
is playing a role with the Nazis.

529
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:56.640
So I saw one of the things that were missing

530
00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:01.680
from this verbatim, one that actually had just the ge

531
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:06.480
ge Off all by itself in here. Did not look

532
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:10.039
like it added up to anything or any any other place.

533
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:12.160
But we know that Jack did work for GE when

534
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.799
he was in San Jose. Police said there were no

535
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.079
signs of violence, and she was in the same clothes

536
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.480
she was last seen in. Her body was on its back,

537
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:23.519
knees drawn up. She had not been sexually assaulted. Her

538
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:30.000
cause of death was listed as suffocation. What okay? Christine's

539
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.799
mother followed a lawsuit in twenty twelve against prosecutors and

540
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:35.960
investigators and alleging the case had been mishandled. The family

541
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.039
said that the case was handled so badly that they

542
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.480
feel any hope of learning who their daughter's killer is

543
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:45.319
has been lost. Their case was dismissed in twenty thirteen.

544
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:48.559
The murder of Timothy King. Timothy King had been missing

545
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:51.519
for seven days before his body was found in Livonia ditch.

546
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.440
The eleven year old boy is the fourth victim to

547
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.359
be connected to the Oakland County child killer. He was

548
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.400
last seen on March sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven. He left

549
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.759
his Birmingham home with thirty cents he borrowed from his

550
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:06.279
older sister. He left for the Hunter Maple pharmacy. The

551
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.079
trip was about three blocks and he made it often.

552
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:12.960
A clerk at the pharmacy said she told sold Tim

553
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.639
candy at eight thirty pm, and he left through the

554
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.960
back door into the dark parking lot. Before Tim left home,

555
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.159
he asked his sister to leave the door jar for him.

556
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.199
His sister also left home that night. Their parents returned

557
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:26.039
to the home at nine pm to find the door

558
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:29.039
jar and no sign of Tim. The family searched everywhere

559
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.280
for the boy by nine to fifteen am. The next morning,

560
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.960
police called on a task force to help investigate. Tim

561
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.360
was the seventh child to go missing in that area,

562
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.480
and tensions were an all time high that morning. Headquarters

563
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:43.119
were established just a few blocks from his home. Police

564
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.360
conducted door to door searches and interviewed his classmates. We

565
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:49.239
love him very much. He had a basketball game Saturday

566
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:52.840
and missed practice today, which was Thursday. He's active in

567
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.719
a school play. He's an achiever and a participator. We

568
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:59.119
just loved him and want him to come home. Tim's father,

569
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.840
Barry King, said, that's extremely sad, but I was kind

570
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.280
of wondering what a little boy is doing out at

571
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:08.719
eight thirty at night. Three blocks are not walking at

572
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.199
night time. Knowing that there are these children that are

573
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:13.440
going missing, it just blows my mind.

574
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.079
Yeah, there's something about these events are not exactly matching up,

575
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:25.559
but we'll find out later as we decode, says.

576
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:27.880
The boy's body was found on March twenty third, nineteen

577
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.440
seventy seven, in a ditch along Gill Road, about three

578
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.400
hundred feet south of eight mile Road in Livonia. He

579
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:36.679
was found by a motorists just a short distance away

580
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.159
from a very busy intersection. He was wearing the same

581
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:41.320
clothes he had on when he left for the pharmacy.

582
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:44.760
His skateboard was found about fifteen feet away from his body,

583
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:51.480
so somebody's keeping their collective items with them. Autopsy revealed

584
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.079
Tim had been fed his favorite meal, Kentucky fried chicken,

585
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:56.920
cleaned and groomed thoroughly before he was suffocated. There was

586
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.559
evidence Tim had been sexually assaulted. It was after Tim's

587
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:03.000
murdered that the police knew they were investigating a serial

588
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:06.559
child killer. They organized the largest manhunt US history at

589
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.679
the time, and a task force was established. Barry King

590
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:12.000
and his wife established the Tim King Fund in nineteen

591
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:15.719
seventy seven to provide assistance to abuse children and promote

592
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.320
youth activities in Birmingham. Barry King died in twenty twenty

593
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:22.239
without answers. He had spent decades pursuing the case on

594
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.840
his own, and I believe Caparin Broad and her father

595
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:30.159
also took a suit against Michigan in order to obtain

596
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.079
the FOYA files because they weren't wanting to release any

597
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:38.480
of that information the investigation. The murder investigation was the

598
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:40.599
largest of its kind in US history at the time.

599
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:44.360
In a special why they have to repeat themselves. The

600
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.960
task Force first became a concept at a meeting regarding

601
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:52.760
the disappearing of Christine Mahilik. Southfield Police Department Lieutenant Jerry

602
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.239
Simmons set up a meeting with a police with all

603
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:59.639
police departments involved in the Robinson murder. In Mohilik's disappearance.

604
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:03.400
The task Force was officially formed and funded after Tim Vanish.

605
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:07.119
The task Force received more than eleven thousand tips, including

606
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:09.360
one from a woman who told police she saw Tim

607
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.679
King speaking with a man near a blue AMC Gremlin

608
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.239
with a white stripe on its side. But we have

609
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.559
to remember that car was still there in the parking

610
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.239
lot when the family returned to search for him there.

611
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.320
That tip sparked a massive search and police schoped anyone

612
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:25.480
who drove a blue Gremlin, and now there is a

613
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:28.440
doubt that a Gremlin was even involved at all. Special

614
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.360
Task Force has since been disbanded. Now this is where

615
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:35.400
it gets interesting, and we get into this pedophilia idea.

616
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.760
So is not North Fox Island connected to the Oakland

617
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:41.559
County childbirders, and we can see where this plays out.

618
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.519
They have obviously the I seventy five mapped here and

619
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:48.960
we can see that the North Fox Island is right

620
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:54.199
here to the left of Michigan in the bay. Let's see.

621
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:58.280
In nineteen seventy seven, police investigated a child pornography ring

622
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:02.519
on North Fox Islands. Of investigation led police to two people,

623
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:05.760
Frank Sheldon of gross Pointe and Jerry Richards, a cheap

624
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:09.880
teacher in Port Huron. Sheldon owned much of North Fox

625
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.159
Island and Richard's recruited young boys to fly to the island.

626
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.639
According to the investigators, Sheldon built an airfield with a

627
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.880
landing strip out of the docking area and constructed cabins

628
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.199
on the island. He had a private jet and flew

629
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.400
children from Charlevoy. Now we have that picture of Jack

630
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:31.920
noting the nuclear power plant in Charlevoy, Michigan. I thought

631
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:34.039
that was more of a connection to the John Bene

632
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.119
Ramsey case and the fact that John Ramsey owned a

633
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:42.119
home in Charlevoy, Michigan. But it was definitely during inclement weather,

634
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.360
which was snow, and we know that Jack is in Cotton,

635
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:51.719
Minnesota during the time that it is snowing. It says

636
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:54.079
from Charlottevoy to the island, where he had a filming

637
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:58.199
operation for a child pornography ring. Sheldon fled the country

638
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:01.519
in nineteen seventy six and was never prosecuted. He died

639
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:06.559
in nineteen ninety six. Richards was prosecuted for child pornography

640
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.679
and has since died. Investigators do not believe either man

641
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.519
is the Oakland County child killer, but one theory suggests

642
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.320
the killer could be someone they victimized on the island.

643
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:22.559
That that's a far stretch, don't you think. Yeah, I mean,

644
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:28.039
if you were a child victimized on the island.

645
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.280
Wait, I just think it's deeper than that. I'm just

646
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:35.920
wondering if these people have any of the then neo

647
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:41.800
Nazi connections, because yeah, that then that ties in with

648
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:48.159
you know, programming little boys, girls as old as young

649
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:53.440
as ten and all the way up until they're twenty one. Yeah.

650
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:58.639
So I've been doing extensive reading lately, retouching that I

651
00:39:58.800 --> 00:39:59.440
already knew.

652
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:08.000
Well this touch this touches back on the human trafficking

653
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:11.199
aspect that you've been talking about finding in some of

654
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:14.480
these solves. It says we were the first of the

655
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:17.880
pornography and pornography rings and pedophilia as being a motive

656
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.480
in this Oakland County child killer case. Former Wayne County

657
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:24.760
detective Corey Williams told Shattered, we put quite a bit

658
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:27.880
of time and effort into that. Were these kids filmed

659
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.960
pictures taken where they passed around? We don't know at

660
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:32.679
this point, but we did put a lot of time

661
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:36.239
and effort into that. So the police interview a man

662
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.800
convicted on the porn charges. On March twenty ninth of

663
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:42.480
nineteen seventy seven, three Michigan State Police detectives flew to Joliet,

664
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.719
Illinois to speak with an unnamed man in the Stateville

665
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.400
Correctional Center who had been convicted of distributing child pornography.

666
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.760
Police wanted to find out if the Oakland County child

667
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.800
killer victims had been used to create pornographic films or

668
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:57.679
still photos and where that material would be marketed if

669
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:01.119
that was the case, The man provided detectives with information

670
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:03.519
on where the material would be marketed and who might

671
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:06.480
have knowledge of it. He said he doubted the murderer,

672
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.639
who he described as psychotic, would be interested in that

673
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:11.920
he felt that there was too much police attention on

674
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.719
child pornography to find any market at that time, especially

675
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:18.760
if these children were involved with those films. He is

676
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:21.199
quoted as telling detectives he's going to keep it up.

677
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.039
Just why in the hell does he do it all

678
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:26.199
in one locality except he is screaming for you to

679
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:30.159
catch him. Then we had the letter sent to a

680
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.960
Detroit psychiatrist. I know who the killer is, and I'm

681
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.480
not even sure how I passed over the top of

682
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.079
that when we talked about it before, because it seems

683
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.559
like I must have accidentally skipped right past it when

684
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:47.000
I went into the letter. But what I wanted to

685
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.519
say is that doctor Danto from page three, there was

686
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:53.199
these messages that were going back and forth, pray it

687
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.159
doesn't snow, and we didn't talk about this, but the

688
00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.039
snow is one of the reasons why Jack ended up

689
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.480
leaving that area, because he said it was too cold.

690
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.079
And we know that the Zodiac wrote in regards to

691
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.199
the twelfth victim upside down and around in the snow,

692
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:11.239
so we've got this same snow theme that's going on.

693
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.920
And then the trees to bloom in three weeks is

694
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:18.280
kind of like Groundhog Day. Right, the groundhog is gonna

695
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:20.280
come out in three weeks, but the trees are to

696
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:25.119
blow three weeks, which means the snow is left. Zodiac proclaimed,

697
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.599
along with several other Zodiac style letters in this serial

698
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.559
killer's life, to prove that someone has it wrong. And

699
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:32.960
that's what he's doing in this he says a certain

700
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:38.599
note of medicine and determination. Doctor Danto said. The individual

701
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:45.760
who called let me start back. Until two eighteen pm Sunday,

702
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.039
he had handled more than fifty calls in a coolly

703
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.880
professional manner. This one was different. It was a voice

704
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.920
filled with a certain note of medicine determination, doctor Danto said,

705
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.800
like a top sergeant giving it an order. According to

706
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.559
doctor Danner, the call was said the article was wrong.

707
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.440
You better hope and pray it doesn't snow anymore, Doctor

708
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:06.960
Dano said. He retorted with I don't think I understand

709
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.639
what you're saying, and the caller hung up. So now

710
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:12.039
we've got calls that are being made to him. Bell

711
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.440
I supposedly, right, was reached out to the Zodiac. He

712
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:17.519
had a letter from the Zodiac. So all of this

713
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:20.239
is and you're saying that Danto is working with Tonay

714
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:24.119
and today has worked with Ruby and Melvin BELLI like,

715
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:26.920
there's this nifty little circle that's going on.

716
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:32.320
Yes, prominent Jewish people, Doctor danto is very prominent and

717
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:36.840
very wonderful from what I read. I mean, these were

718
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:39.559
things we weren't allowed to discuss when we were growing up,

719
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:43.280
but you know I learned now. So all these prominent

720
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:45.719
Jewish loving people amazing.

721
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:51.480
Right here screaming it. Free press boom by Ira Rosenberg.

722
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.440
All Right, So, person claiming to be the roommate of

723
00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:57.800
the Oakland County child killer wrote a long letter to

724
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.960
a Detroit psychiatrist in nineteen seventy. Doctor Bruce Dantos shared

725
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.440
the letter with investigators. The author of the letter only

726
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.400
identified himself as Alan, and he referred to the killer

727
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.280
as Frank. Alan said he went with the killer he

728
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:12.599
took when he looked for the boys. He said he

729
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:15.880
was not with Frank when he kidnapped the four murder victims.

730
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:23.199
So is this initially saying when he looked for boys

731
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:27.800
for the island. Maybe, but he wasn't with them when

732
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:31.599
he kidnapped and killed these four murder victims. Something's not

733
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.400
adding up. And if they were looking for boys, then

734
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:36.239
why would girls have been abducted?

735
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:41.119
Well, if I remember right, the previous show that we

736
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:45.280
did about the secret. Within this letter, Jack is clarifying

737
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:48.119
that ed Bell is the one who killed Joe Robinson.

738
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:51.960
It looks like they left her in this mix to

739
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:59.000
help create this this image of some serial child rapist killer.

740
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.000
It is. It's turning out to be something else. I mean,

741
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:05.840
it's you know, it is what it is so.

742
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:07.679
Kind of more likely were we were thinking along with

743
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:10.639
the zodiac stuff, there was always a particular target, but

744
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:12.920
everybody else was just kind of to make it look

745
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.320
as though it was just random. Serially.

746
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.599
Yeah, and it is also sold a lot of papers,

747
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:24.159
the Freud Free Press and the Detroit News. So but

748
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:27.400
it did its work because did his job so right.

749
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:31.119
It says the letter had many spelling and punctuation errors.

750
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.920
I'm desperate and nearly gone crazy and haven't gotten no

751
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.239
place left to turn, and I want everybody to realize that.

752
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.800
Both in the Dear draft Board letters and in the

753
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:44.679
Doctor Dante letter, while they used the number eight incorrectly

754
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:48.159
as what should have been an apostrophe, they showed the

755
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:52.280
aptitude to use the apostrophes correctly in all other instances

756
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:55.599
sometimes they didn't use one, but they definitely showed the

757
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:58.719
use of it in words like didn't and don't and can't.

758
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.480
So that number eight thing just kind of screams at

759
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:05.800
me because it's nowhere near any of the other letters

760
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:10.440
for it to be an accidental where they reached out

761
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:12.639
and just hit the wrong key, because the numbers on

762
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:17.360
a typewriter are well above the keys. See what it

763
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:18.079
must help me?

764
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.079
Is it? Well? I just wanted to say, I just

765
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.039
wanted to say real quick when I was looking up

766
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.280
and I remembered something about eight eight. It was very quick.

767
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:30.360
Eight eight stands for hh, it's Nazi. Jeremy is Kyle Hitler,

768
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:34.800
so's he's probably looking for that stamp in the nineteen

769
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:36.440
sixties he wants to get the cure.

770
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.840
I mean, we can go on and on, but wow, Yeah,

771
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:42.320
that was nineteen sixty eight, and he was saying that he.

772
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.719
Was messed up, he was torn apart, put back together again,

773
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:49.599
the doctors can't help him, and he's basically blaming the

774
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.920
government for it. It says, this is for real. I

775
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:55.440
know who the killer is. I live with him. I

776
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:58.239
am his slave. Alan said he stayed with the children

777
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:00.639
in an apartment in Detroit while Frank went to work.

778
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:03.199
He said the children were gagged so nobody else in

779
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:06.559
the apartment complex could hear them. Alan said he met

780
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:10.519
Frank in Vietnam and that the war had twisted Frank's mind.

781
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.000
He killed a lot of little kids with medals for it,

782
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:16.079
burned them to death, bomb them with napalm. He wants

783
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.719
the rich people like people in Birmingham to suffer like

784
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:21.079
all of us suffered, to get nothing back for what

785
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.719
we did for our country. Alan wrote, He's not a

786
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.440
monster like you think. He really loves children, especially that

787
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:28.599
little girl for three weeks. Not doing it because he

788
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.559
hates children, but doing it because he hates everybody else

789
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.599
out there. And what is the purpose of just the

790
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.440
rich people in Birmingham. I mean, there's plenty of rich

791
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.719
people out there. And are the people in Birmingham the

792
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.800
ones responsible for sending anyone to Vietnam? I wouldn't think so.

793
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:47.840
They said they have a huge connection to Nazi Germany,

794
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:57.280
the Busch family, so oh yeah. Gm GM was making

795
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.239
auto parts and all kinds of things for our side

796
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:05.360
of that war, mainly World War Two, but was also

797
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:09.480
making the vehicles and the other things over in Germany

798
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:14.840
which were taking part in gassing the juice from the

799
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:21.079
carbon monoxide, and this we had the right.

800
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:25.880
But we had our own concentration camps over there, and

801
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.360
it is a fact that we were over there supplying

802
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:30.960
them with the things they needed to build their tanks,

803
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.800
the coal, the steel, the wood, and we were we

804
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:39.159
were monopolizing. Us was monopolizing on this money making scheme

805
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:42.119
of war while we knew what they were doing to

806
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:42.800
other people.

807
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:47.119
Yeah, it's it's very amazing and eye opening.

808
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.400
That's just crazy. So Alan asked Danto to contact him

809
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.239
through the newspapers, using the code words trees to bloom

810
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:59.599
in three weeks. According to Lettington Daily News report, Danta

811
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.880
received to call from Alan on April tenth, nineteen seventy seven,

812
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.000
and the two agreed to meet the next night at

813
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.760
a bar. So there's that bar reference. Alan said he

814
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:11.519
would bring polaroid pictures that would prove Frank killed the

815
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.840
four children if Danto brought a letter of immunity from

816
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:18.239
then Governor William Milliken. Alan never showed up at the

817
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:20.719
bar because he had never any intentions of doing so.

818
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.679
But I do know that Jack definitely had a polaroid

819
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:29.079
man sounded very frightened, not cool and composed. Dante told

820
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:31.800
the newspaper, I don't think it was a hoax, Callie says,

821
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.119
and that brings us into named persons of interest. We

822
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:43.119
have some varying degrees of composites, and it seems to

823
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:47.679
me that none of these individuals truthfully matched the people

824
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:51.079
that they've actually listed as suspects. At least this one

825
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.920
particular composite that I'm showing does not seem to match

826
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:58.679
anybody else, let alone Chris Bush, suspect is not currently

827
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:01.440
named in the Oakland County child killer case. Oh we

828
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:04.599
just ran over. I'm so sorry you guys. All right, well,

829
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:06.119
we're gonna have to call it here at the name

830
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:08.559
persons of interest when we'll come back with the suspects

831
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:11.079
and why they were ruled out next week. Everybody, have

832
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.119
a great weekend. I will be coming to you not

833
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:17.400
live this Friday, because I will be enjoying the Aftershock

834
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:22.920
Heavy Metal show. Thank you so much, Harriet for your

835
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.199
time and for being here. Everybody, have a great day

836
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.239
Great show, Thank you, thank you,