Oct. 4, 2024

Oakland County Child Killer Part 6

Oakland County Child Killer Part 6

As with most of Zodiac’s crimes, he predicted who was next and sometimes when. Terry Battcher believes that the Zodiac Killer was predicting his next move to Michigan with his statement, “This is the Zodiac speaking.” The next murder in the OCCK case...

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As with most of Zodiac’s crimes, he predicted who was next and sometimes when. Terry Battcher believes that the Zodiac Killer was predicting his next move to Michigan with his statement, “This is the Zodiac speaking.” The next murder in the OCCK case is Timothy King, the son of prominent attorney Barry King. Another secret witness is Allen with his tell all letter to Dr. Danto about turning himself in.

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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We're going to welcome to the show today. Nolan del Campo,

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Good morning everybody. Good morning, and Terry BATCHERI.

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And Harriet Touchet or not.

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Okay, I'm by your own again. Okay, last watched The Connection.

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Please.

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Last week we left off talking about Christine Miles, which

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we had kind of gone down and we were talking

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about whether or not there was actually spermatozoa found in

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the vagina and rectum of this little girl in regards

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to the Oakland County child killers. And we did get

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some information. Terry had sent me over some FOYA files

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that he had found in regards to Christine, and of

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course the indication there. Do you want to read that, Terry,

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or do you want me to read that?

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The short answer is there was non phone.

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Correct, and I thought it was interesting that they had

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stated but they had four slides, and so two were

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male and two were female. So is this all four children?

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This is actually March seventh of nineteen seventy seven, so

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technically speaking, Timothy King has not been killed yet. Correct.

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Let me go to next. Okay, so let's see four

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slides identified as two are labeled anal smears, two vaginal smears. Well,

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if it's two vaginals, so they're looking at the two

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girls at this.

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Point, right one girl?

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I think, oh it is just mahalic. Okay, okay, gotcha.

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We did have a YouTube comment from an individual named

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Kenneth Taylor thirty five hundred. He said Zodiac had to

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be a cop syop. I think I understand the syop part,

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but why the cop.

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Had affiliations.

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I think they're saying that because of the fact that

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the cops were so bungling in the attempts to catch them,

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so therefore thinking he's one of them. Maybe, but I

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think he had affiliations that I don't think it was

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actual cop.

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Somehow, I feel like if he was a cop, he'd

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probably be just as unknowing about the acts of a

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serial killer. I mean, we've got to remember they didn't

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even have the label serial killer back at the time

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that this stuff was happening. And one of the things

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they talked about was the link analysis between time frames

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and proximity, not putting these cases together because if it

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was too far apart, they just didn't even consider it,

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and if the time frame was not within the time frame.

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But yeah, I do believe that he had he had

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more information, more education, and definitely more Oh gosh, I'm

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gonna lose the word. It's like Turkey is always saying

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that these are heavily well, not the premonition part so much,

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but heavily researched, stalked, planned. Yep, I don't even think.

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I don't even think those are the words like where

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you know he has inside information basically, you know, he

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knows he knows the cops schedules, he knows you know

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when and where to escape, he knows when and where

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to abduct, and then he's dumping right out in the open.

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I mean, it's like catch me if you can type scenario.

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But I think that he ultimately knows he's not going

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to get caught.

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Oh you know, can I can I interject something? Don't

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you know? The greatest rage is that a Valayo cop

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is the Zodiac.

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No, I haven't heard anything about it.

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Yeah, that's just my friend called me last night and

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I said, we get this all the time, that Balleo

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cop is not the Zodiac.

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There do we have any information on them, like pictures, handwriting,

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anything like that.

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The story is is that the stuff that he wrote

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in his files, which doesn't doesn't because all the files burned.

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All the files burned in a fire. So they're just

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claiming that that the words that were misspelled a lot

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are the same words as Zodiac spelled and then nothing

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else is really linking it. But there it looks like

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there's a push. Be aware there's probably going to be

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a show about a cop named Hoffmann from BALAYOPB. Yeah.

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I don't think that they I don't think they seem

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to realize that a majority of the misspellings done by

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the Zodiac was intentional misspellings, not because he didn't know

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how to spell the word. So for everybody who says, oh,

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they misspelled the word like the Zodiac. You guys have

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to take a look at these letters. So when somebody

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is writing and the writing is flowing, the letters will

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have a spacing that is consistent throughout. And when we

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see a large space before the letter E in a

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word where a letter E doesn't belong, and another large

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space after the e where that letter E doesn't belong,

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it's as if the person needed to take the time

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and the space to think about how they were going

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to misspell it, plot that out, and then pick back

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up and carry on with the word. So when you look,

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I know we talk a lot about the broken words,

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the broken syllables of the Zodiac. A broken syllable is

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definitely different than the breaking of the spaces where the

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misspellings occur. So we're not looking for somebody who misspells

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exactly like the Zodiac does. That was him attempting to

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dumb himself down.

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Go ahead, Terry, Sorry, two things. Some of the Zodiac

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Killer documents he spelled misspelled the word twice differently, each

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time at once correctly, and so he was all over

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the map. I'm doing that. There was another point I

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want to make, and I know you don't want to

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talk about Norberg yet. But you're talking about stuff that's

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really interesting in the area of the Norberg, and you're

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talking about cops being intermingled. There's a file iner that

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one of the cops in Detroit gave Norberg a couple

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of pistols. Anyone's supposed to be doing that. But anyway,

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I'll save the Narberg stuff for lated. So you're talking

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about cops and Zodiac.

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And yeah, I just made myself a note. We'll check

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out this Hoffman character. I'm surprised that I haven't gotten

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calls yet. I usually have my I call him my

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band of thieves thieving the disinformation from the Internet or

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the news and calling me and texting me almost immediately.

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They've found the Zodiac.

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They're doing a lot, they're reopening the Zodiac cases because

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of this.

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Oh, of course they got they.

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Should have been They should have been calling the bardopers,

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the document examiner. It's not like the blayopd does not

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know that you did document exams, Jack TALLRT. We can

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go on and on, but it's it's the same old,

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same old. And I'm expecting to hear something on the

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History Channel by this fall.

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So you know, the interesting factor is that there is

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more information on Jack than they have on any other

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single given suspect, whether it be handwriting, location, proof of residency, proximity,

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the actual training and the things that we know that

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Jack went through in the military, the ability to cipher

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and code, the use of a teletype machine in the

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Sherry Joe Bates case, as far as the paper was concerned.

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I mean, when you rattle all of this stuff down,

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you couldn't find a better single handed suspect for everything

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that Jack was and who he could be. When you

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compare that to the Zodiac, I mean, if they're going

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to tell us that this guy misspelled words but the

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files are all burnt up so you can't see what

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he misspelled, or you can't even have his handwriting because

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the files are burned up, then they're just looking to

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dissuade you. They're looking to give you disinformation. They want

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you to they want you to be confused. They want

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it to be so fast and so deep, you won't

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have the time to go through and actively look to

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see if each and every single one of these suspects,

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or even possibility, I'll be interested in seeing the picture

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and his age, because we know that the Zodiac is

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connected to other crimes freeze before and after. And if

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this person doesn't fit the bill as far as proximity

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or age is concerned, that's usually the number one reason

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why I'm able to rule them out.

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Nineteen up, they gotta fit, okay, because they don't fit

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if he was born nineteen forty seven, that's not the

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guy anyway.

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Right right, yeah, exactly. And Terry, you have sent us

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some additional documents in regards to Milch, and you had

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shown here that she showed a fairly high amount of

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carbon monoxide poisoning.

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Right now, I'm wondering if that wasn't enough to put

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her to sleep too.

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Well, of course that's all. That's a lot, So is

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that what she died?

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Said? Well, her nose was pinched, her mouth was covered,

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But I wondered if she wasn't already passed out. And

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then he did the coup grav by.

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Doing that death by asphyxia, right right, Yeah, But that

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last one.

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I had another document that was fairly interesting, which one

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that was Yeah.

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It says David was always going hunting, rabbit hunting, But

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you can't recall if of David ever bring anything game home.

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So I guess it looks like they're talking about somebody

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in particular.

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Here we're talking about Norburg again.

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Yeah, and supposably using a number two shotgun shell shot

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as was used to murder Jill Robinson.

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Is what you were stating, that's the point. Yeah, And

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this is a nineteen eighty eight or eighty nine document.

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But see he was recrofitt into this stuff. You know,

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the crime was passed or done and done, you know,

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ten years or nine or ten years before, and all

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of a sudden Norberg was dredged up. But it ended

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up being in nothing. But as I read the whole

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files and I got blurry. I agree, there's a lot

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of them. I changed my mind when I got to

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this document where it's it is so parallel to what

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happened to Jill Robinson, where supposedly this guy is bragging

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about using number two and so it's pertinent Jill Robinson murder,

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which we just talked about recently, and that number two

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shot was used and he and the guy the other

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guys talking supposedly talking to him and saying, well, that's

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going to carry your game to pieces or shredded up,

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you know, a close range and and so but it's

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number two shot. I mean that's you don't use number two.

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I'm close for it's a goose gun. Number two. You

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shoot for something that's long ways away and hope that

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one baby hits your your prey. But you certainly, you

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know you're you certainly don't want to use the whole

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charge on one rabbit or something. So I think my

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opinion of that document is is they were trying to

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track from the the truth and they were painting this

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Norburg to be something that he wasn't. There probably wasn't,

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but there's more to that Norburg file. And I left

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a lot of it out because I didn't think you

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want to go down that road. But I thought, well,

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this is too close to what happened to to Jill Robinson.

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So I thought, well, I better bring this up now

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because it is time. And that's kind of why I

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study this stuff circuitously. I don't follow chronology on a

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lot of it because of things like that come up.

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Did you have something, Nolan, No?

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Okay.

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So my thought here is is if we look back

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to the Zodiac cases and how Arthur Lee Allen became

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a suspect in them, I think that they hung just

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about everything, primarily on his Zodiac Diver's watch, because the

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Zodiac theme, the Zodiac symbol, the Zodiac watch that came

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out during that timeframe. So it's almost as if that's

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just a red herring that they're throwing in the direction

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to shed suspicion towards somebody else, keeping the cops busy.

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If they were aware of this guy, and maybe this

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guy was part of the group, who knows, and they

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wanted him out of the group, they would shed that

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suspicion on that particular individual.

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Also, he spent time in Riverside in the cherry jobates

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everyone knows is the Zodiac crime pre Zodiac and so

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he had time down there when she was killed. And

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also he hundred small animals and skin them, so he

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had weapons and knives and things like that.

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That's all circumstantial, and we know he's not so yeah, right, right, right, yeah, exactly.

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Jeff knew him. That's the crazy part in my mind.

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How do you know this guy, Jack? How did you

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run run into this guy?

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He knows about him, that's for sure. I got the

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decoded missus. We've done a few were he's saying that.

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Arthur Lee Allen was involved with who took pictures of

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the death of Marilyn Monroe, and then he makes stamps

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out of those pictures. So Arthur Lee Allen was, in

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the end not really a saint. But he didn't kill

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Darlene Farren. And he's definitely not the Zodiac. He doesn't

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even look like him. His hand we know the Prince,

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don't managine nothing. He was not. He was not a

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good guy. But I think he took m all right.

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I was one other thing about.

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No, no, no, no, we're not to Norburg yet, please, you already

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said you were done.

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With You got another file of him. Man, that's gonna.

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Yes, we're going to get to We're going to get Yeah,

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we're going to get to the Norburg stuff, which is

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where I placed it in the summary of this entire event.

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But yeah, I mean Jack made the statement when Arthur

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Lee Allen became a suspect and was on a news

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or a press release in regards to him being a suspect,

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Jack pointed him out and stated that was the nice

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man who gave me a ride home from Lake Barriessa.

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So there's and and the connectivity there. I mean, for

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Dennis even remember that he knew and had received a

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ride from Arthur Lee Allen suggests that there was an

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explicit relationship there between the two. Now, I'm sure Jack

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probably would not have gone as far as to say, hey,

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he's in cohoots with me, or he's been doing this

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out or the other, but he'd drop a subtle hint,

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like he gave me a ride home from Lake Barry Essa,

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giving you an indication that he knew exactly who that

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person was.

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Well, one important thing thought and then that I have

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to interject, is that Noburg is all things mad.

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No, no, no, no, hold on Terry Harry. I'm never

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going to be able to move on. And we need

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to keep Norburg where Norburg is. When we get to

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the suspects, we'll discuss that, but I got to keep going.

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I'm only on the side three.

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At this.

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March, March sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven, we have our final

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victim of the Oakland County child murders. It was Timothy

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King who went missing. He was taken from a convenience store.

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I want to remind everybody that all the way back

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to Sherry, Joe Bates, and I think even back in

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Black Doll you we can find that these victims are

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being taken from convenience stores from pay phones, and this

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happens to be exactly one of the places that one

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of the Oakland County child Killers victims were abducted. So

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he was at a convenience store at Hunter and Maple,

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which I thought Maple was interesting because we have Maple

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heavily involved in one of the Zodiac communications as it

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pertains to San Francisco and his murdering of Paul Stein

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and this was in Lavonia County or I'm sorry, in Lavonia,

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Wayne County. The convenience store obduction is, like I said,

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with many of our other victims, and even the suspect

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himself talked about it in communications. Hunter and Maple is

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Jack is a Hunter and Maple Street was the original

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stop for was supposed to be the original stop for

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Paul Stein, but we know he ended up on Cherry

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and Washington.

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Something like that.

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Yeah, so we also see that Hunter White, Yeah, George

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hunter White is also a handler for mk Ultra and

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the Midnight Mystery Stuff and Maple Street used by Zodiac

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when sending messages to the group. We have lots of

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the streets that are tree named streets throughout these locations.

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He was found on March twenty second, nineteen seventy six,

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so that would be approximately six days being held. Body

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was found at a dead end street on Bruce Street

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off of Telegraph. So here we have telegraph telegraph matching

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back with MK Ultra, Telegraph being one of the safe

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houses in San Francisco with the MK Ultra. So sometimes

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I do think that he's specifically planning out these locations

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on purpose. So Bruce and telegraph polegraph in San Francisc well,

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and his cause of death was what what's that?

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I'm just saying, it's those telegraph ahead of time and

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it's all code, so he's a message out.

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Maybe Telegraph was Jack's actual place in Berkeley. Maybe I

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have that wrong. I do have the locations for the

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MK Ultra safehouses, and there were two, and I maybe

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I need to look back now and see if Telegraph

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was actually where Jack was in Berkeley. But I do

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remember what you're saying, and Berkeley was one of the

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locations that Jack lived in when he came back from Japan,

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where I believe he started the MK ulture program, and

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at that time he was literally within about eight to

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fourteen miles of any one of these safe houses.

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A note because George Hunter White was involved in the

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San Francisco Saint Houses and also the New York safe

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houses for MK Ultra and CIA purposes. But I just

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found out there's a biography of George Hunter White written

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by Altabelli, the same guy that wrote about Frank Olsen.

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So I'm going to buy that.

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Book next nice, Yes, Dari One point about Kim King.

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It is the most sophisticated of all of the crimes.

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I think we're going to get into that. You're usually

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one step ahead. I'm just trying to make it through

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the briefing and then we'll go in. I have all

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your documents and all your information that's in there as well.

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So cause of death is asphyxiation, just like Mahilich right,

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body showing signs of anal dilation or a sexual assault.

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He was wearing a light blue warm up suit. He

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had been fed fried chicken before his death, so he's

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being cared for. He's being fed, and I think somebody

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had said that that was one of his favorite foods.

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Mother proclaims return of her son so she can give

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him his favorite meal of KFC. So she did a

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press release saying this, and then of course he is

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fed chicken right before his death. There's both them, both

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the blue gremlin. What's that It shows he's watching the news, well,

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or it shows he's watching the news to feed him

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that particular food right before killing him so that it

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could come and come up in his autopsy. Shows that

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he's watching very closely as to what's going on.

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Chicken and corn, Okay.

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Whatever it is. Chicken, the information I got his chicken

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both a blue gremlin with a white hockey stripe and

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a nineteen seventy three point on the Aklaman's two door

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cooper seen by eyewitnesses. Although we are going to show

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you some documents from Terry B that says there were

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actually three male suspects, and I think that included three cars.

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We'll see. I read a little bit about it. The

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license plate was said to have a two two two

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in it, which two two two is my number. I

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was kind of shocked to see that.

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Right.

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Family member of Timothy returned to the store looking for

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him the night he went missing and claims that the

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blue Gremlin was still in the parking lot when they

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went back. So it's likely the Blue Gremon was never

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really attached to this abduction. If the family member after

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Timothy King had been abducted, if the family member went

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back to the convenience store and that Blue Gremlin was

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still there, it was likely not part of this caper.

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Yeah, I rolled it out easily.

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Yeah, it was a deployed by the cops to say

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Blue Gremlin. It was not. It was not for real.

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They were trying to cover for what who they really

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thought what car was involved? Those witnessed it was witnessed.

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Well, and I attempted to reach out to Barry King.

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I ended up speaking with Catherine Brod. We had some

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discussion for a few years now. No, no, no, I

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know I'm saying this is back in two thousand and nine,

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two thousand, ninety twenty thirteen, when I was putting all

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of this stuff together, I did have a conversation with

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Katherine Brod. We did talk in regards to the similarities

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between the Doctor Dante letter, which I hadn't seen the

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Secret Witness one yet. So I know that you've probably

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passed on my thoughts in regards to that handwriting to her,

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but we know that she's still kind of focusing on

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what you said, Chris Bush.

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Yeah, that and she just panophilias is in her mind

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more than understanding that this was this was four intentional

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murders and with this is something way more or other.

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Well, you got to think about the people who are

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capable of getting away with these human trafficking women women.

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I can okay, can I finish? You have to remember

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that these individuals that are part of these type of things,

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we're going to talk about a pedophilia ring that they

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heavily looked at in regards to this case. The individuals

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that are hopping to these islands, say with Epstein or

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the one over here in Michigan. These are the elite.

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These are very rich people. This is a very secretive operation.

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So I wouldn't put it past these individuals also being

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the ones that are in the charge of the money

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and in charge of anything else that may control another

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person's life, which is what this appears to be. I

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think that Harriet is found in her saulves that this

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was a hit at bary King.

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Correct, Oh, definitely, And there's so much more. This is

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going to be the revelations coming out of even I

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don't know if you are going to do the Occk

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nineteen seventy seven. Dont a letter, but the.

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Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that.

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Oh good. It's just this is going to upset a

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lot of people and make a lot of people really.

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Okay, okay, I need you guys to focus with me

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right now and stay where we're at. All I wanted

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to know is was Barry King the intention of the hit?

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And you had found that he was part of what during.

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Vietnam something that has to do with passage of freedom,

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getting communists and other people from North Vietnam to South Vietnam,

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and something's going on there. And Nixon is not happy

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with what he's probably knew about twenty years earlier, and

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it's now coming to fruition under Ford. So it's pretty bad.

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He's control things that I've been stating for a few

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years now that he was the target.

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Well we've known that for years. I picked him out

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early on because of his prominence and because of his

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he was he was a really good attorney evidently back there.

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So maybe he was bucking the system against these people

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and the way to control the mob controlled you. After

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the assassination of JFK, it was easier to control you

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through the death of your own family members than it

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was to kill you, because it brought too much heat,

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too much suspicion, to to literally assassinate somebody like Barry King.

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They would have been looked at, people would have looked at.

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But the father, yes, only.

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One that was the actual father. That's something you need

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to point out. And then that what's that you need

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to point out the fact that the the other three

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victims we were by namesake in other words, of the

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parents were not in other words, with each one of

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those victims, you'll find that it wasn't the target was

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not the father. It was somebody with the same last name.

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So that way that they couldn't be connected directly to

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whatever operation that we're pulling on Stebbens for example, or

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Mahalich or Robinson, you know what I'm saying. Right, Robinson,

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it's not as clear. But with the other two it

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Harriet Saul does.

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Okay, really okay. We have not gotten to Harry. It's

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solved yet.

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It all comes as you know.

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These are some additional pictures that are involved with the

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Timothy King. So it's giving you the location of where

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the eight mile Road is, gil Road this is the

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drug store evidently that he was last seen in. But

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I think they saw him in the back end of it, right,

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not in the front end, right. And then of course

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the location of the drop off. So this is the

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last murder in Oakland County Child Murder series, and this

464
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is the last that Carol Settlemeyer's family ever saw her again.

465
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.799
So evidently in nineteen seventy seven, she went missing for

466
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.279
almost a good thirty years until they locate her. Now

467
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:58.519
twenty years I think it was more like twenty years.

468
00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:01.039
Now we talked about Settlemeyer saw her.

469
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:04.119
Again, well, because we're going to talk about the receipts

470
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:08.519
that are found locating around the time of these children's

471
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:12.480
abductions and killings she happened to have inside of her

472
00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.480
phone book. So but this at the same time, this

473
00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:19.559
is the same time period that Carol Settlemar actually up

474
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:25.400
and leaves Michigan, goes to South Lake Tahoe in California.

475
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.400
So she's like swapping spots and I guess if you will,

476
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:32.599
but she just picks up, moves and doesn't say a

477
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:35.319
word to any of her family members, which is extremely

478
00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:41.640
odd for somebody to do. Let's see and it's also

479
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.240
circa Subsequently, she moves to South Lake Tahoe when Jack

480
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:49.160
is moving to Texas. Yet Nevada's where Jack has originally

481
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:51.880
come from. When he actually ends up over in Minnesota,

482
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:54.319
and there's no talk of her kids. Though I did

483
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.000
not hear any information as to where her children were

484
00:27:57.079 --> 00:28:01.079
if they left with her. I also wondered could this

485
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:03.400
have been Jane. I mean, I look back at the

486
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.680
Christmas card that was written, and there were some similarities

487
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.240
between the handwriting and this phone book and the Christmas

488
00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.720
card that was written in regards to Donna Lass. So

489
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:17.680
there are still some examinations that have to go on. Evidently,

490
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:20.079
there was indication that there were lots of women running

491
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:24.119
from this particular area into hiding in California. So one

492
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:27.039
of those references are the Keddy Cabin murders. She is

493
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:31.279
also a female who had ran with her kids from

494
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:35.319
the Michigan area and ends up in California in the

495
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:39.640
Quincy area where her and her almost her entire family

496
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:45.759
are killed basically at that point in time, all right,

497
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:49.480
So this is information that was sent by Catherine Broad

498
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.200
which is Timothy's sister. It's some of the things that

499
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:57.079
she has indicated that she has discovered throughout her research

500
00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:03.759
and the Foil files. It has interesting that that says

501
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.519
Ze but Affiant has reviewed police reports prepared by Bloomfield

502
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:12.799
Township Officer Richard mcnammy on November twentieth of nineteen seventy eight,

503
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:16.480
is there by informed of the following. On November twenty eighth,

504
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:19.920
nineteen seventy eight, officer mcnammy was dispatched to thirty three

505
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.440
ten Morning View Terrorists to check on the welfare of

506
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.640
Christopher Bush. So this goes into the Bush stuff. Maybe

507
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.759
i'll I'll pass this up and place this down a

508
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:31.880
little bit lower so we can get through some things,

509
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:35.200
because again we all believe she focuses in on Bush,

510
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:36.960
so a lot of this information is going to be

511
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:42.319
in regards to him. Now, so we have this one

512
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:47.359
particular newspaper article that lists all seven of the children,

513
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:51.000
and then we have what they refer to as being

514
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:54.039
the Oakland County child killings, which they refer to just

515
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:56.680
these four as if the other three are not involved.

516
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.640
We have since found out that two of these victims

517
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:04.799
were A suspect was apprehended and convicted of those actual murders,

518
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:05.720
and then they.

519
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:09.720
What's that now?

520
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:13.319
I'm only you were really watching my mouse go right now,

521
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:17.519
I'm just saying, yes, these Cynthia Cando and Sheilah Strock

522
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:20.680
are found to have been killed by different suspects who

523
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.640
were apprehended and convicted of those crimes. Jane Louise Allen,

524
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:27.000
I believe, is the only one that did not come

525
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.799
up as a as a solved murder. And I think

526
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.960
you interesting that Alan being her last name. And then

527
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:39.000
we have the the secret witness in the doctor Danner

528
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:44.160
Dante letter saying he is also named Allan. So I

529
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:45.839
don't know how all of that will play in of

530
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.440
rich just a super coincidence. So, but they at this

531
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:52.319
particular point in time they kept talking about seven children.

532
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.000
Seven children. So oh that does bring us to the

533
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:58.599
letters from doctor Danto. We are going to make that

534
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.839
letter today, guys.

535
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:07.680
Oh yeah, blow you guys, hang on to your butts.

536
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.720
So on the envelope and now I have a I

537
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:13.480
have pretty much a retyped version of it of it

538
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.119
and it says on the envelope was typed first this

539
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:22.319
message most very important, most urgent. Please, so we do

540
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.799
get this sense of importance and urgency, which is you

541
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.240
know something that the Zodiac did or like to label

542
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:33.160
the outside of his envelopes with. And this is actually

543
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.480
sent to doctor Danto. It says, I'm desperate and nearly

544
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.880
gone crazy and haven't got no place left to turn.

545
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.599
I'm going to commit suicide. If you can't help me,

546
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.480
please don't give up the killer to the police. You

547
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.079
must help me, as there's no one else I can

548
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:51.680
I can't turn to. This is for real. I know

549
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.599
who the killer is. I live with him, and I

550
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:57.640
am his slave. So now we've got the slave reference.

551
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:06.559
No no, no, no, no no. I need to read this.

552
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:08.079
I need it.

553
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:13.880
Terry, Terry, Terry is not accurate? What document is not accurate?

554
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:15.680
Not accurate?

555
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:18.160
How is that? Do you have a version that you

556
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:19.000
claim is accurate.

557
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.240
I sent you a version and it's got things like that.

558
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:27.480
This has eights in it. This has eights in it.

559
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:29.880
It's one of the things. It's it's one of the

560
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.839
things that I mentioned in here is the eighths used

561
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:36.880
for apostrophe, which is identical to the dear draft board letters. Okay,

562
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:37.279
let me.

563
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.519
Let me just read it because we have them.

564
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:44.920
I don't know where that original is. Then Terry should

565
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:45.279
have got it.

566
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:46.680
I have several different copies.

567
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:51.319
I have not received any of these versions from you, Terry,

568
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.799
and this isn't the time to have this discussion. I

569
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:58.359
have not I'm telling you I have not received them.

570
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.000
And this is minutes on the This is a waste

571
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:02.519
of minute on the podcasts.

572
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.519
I just do this one and get to the other

573
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:07.039
one exists.

574
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:12.039
Another time, move forward exactly. I think the context and

575
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.079
the words in this is still the same. I live

576
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:18.119
with him, and I just said somebody else retyped this,

577
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.200
So in case you missed that in the beginning, Terry,

578
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:20.880
that cost.

579
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:28.279
I think that some of the stuff, the nuances go ahead,

580
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:33.079
wasting time, I am I'm wasting time. I guess.

581
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:36.480
I live with him. I am his slave. He whips

582
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:38.400
me and beats me all the time, and he will

583
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.680
kill me if he finds out that I have written

584
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.200
this letter. I have been with him in his car

585
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.680
when we go out looking for boys, but I swear

586
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:48.319
I have never never been with him when he picks

587
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:53.440
up the ones he killed. But but I I am

588
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:56.400
in So I think that a lot of ways he's

589
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:58.920
dumb attempted to dumb down the handwriting. So it's going

590
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.799
to sound a little complicated. I'm going to try and

591
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:05.559
read it as best as possible, but I am in it,

592
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.760
in it so deep. I am just as guilty to

593
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.079
the law as he is. I stayed with them here

594
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:14.159
right here.

595
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.480
Guilty, guilty.

596
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:18.679
But anyways, keep.

597
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:24.079
Stop, okay, But I'm reading it for the context. The

598
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.039
misspellings are not really important. I just want to get

599
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.239
through reading the letter. I just want to get through

600
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:36.559
reading the letter. It's already a complicated read because they've

601
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:41.159
manipulated the language in it in our department, in our

602
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:45.400
apartment during the day while he is working. That makes

603
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:48.679
me just as guilty. And no one can hear them

604
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:51.760
as they gagged all the time. You know, he brings

605
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:55.400
them in stuffed in clothes hamper. No one here knows

606
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:59.360
the differences. You keep saying Oakland County. Not true. He

607
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:03.480
has the livery route in Oakland and Birmingham places. But

608
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:06.559
we live in Detroit. You want to know people in

609
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.320
this building primps and hookers and fags. You name it,

610
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:15.039
like on Grimlin. He had it sure Grimlin until last boy,

611
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.880
but no one stops him in Detroit. He junk it

612
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.000
out in Ohio to never be found ever. I tell

613
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:26.239
you what makes him do it a Vietnam We there together,

614
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:29.559
Frank and me. So he's calling this guy Frank. Oh,

615
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.679
Frank is not his real name. I call him that here.

616
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:34.360
Name.

617
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.679
Screw up your mind too, tell you something else. He

618
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.320
killed lots of little kids then with medals for it,

619
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.840
burn them to death, bomb them with napalm. It's real

620
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.320
beautiful there, Doc. He wants the rich people like people

621
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.079
in Birmingham to suffer like all of us suffered, to

622
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:53.800
get nothing back for what we did for our out country.

623
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.679
He's not a monster like you think. He really loves children,

624
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.519
especially that little girl for three weeks. Not doing it

625
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.320
because he hates children, but doing it because he hates

626
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:05.960
everybody else out there, and this be his way to

627
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.599
get even and get back at everybody. But I cannot

628
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:13.039
do it anymore, he says he won't. But I just

629
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.719
know he is going to kill some more. I swear

630
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:18.360
I had no idea, no idea he going to kill

631
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:21.320
that first little boy, the one with the blonde colored hair.

632
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.199
I shouldn't mind you. This is where the number eight

633
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:30.480
is that is used as an apostrophe instead of the

634
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:35.360
actual apostrophe. Ever, never helped, but trapped too late. Helped

635
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.599
him stay uncaught. I'm just as guilty as he is.

636
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.760
I can't go on like this. I feel like I die.

637
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.280
I feel like I to die. I will turn him

638
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.119
in if you will swear to help me. I don't

639
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.079
want any of reward. I am so afraid if I

640
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.760
turn him in, I be killed or do forever to

641
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:56.679
jail for what so something I didn't want to or

642
00:36:56.760 --> 00:37:00.000
didn't start. If you be a real doctor, you must

643
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.119
help me. If you promise, and what really promised? That

644
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:06.719
you not punish me like you call it immunity. I'm

645
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:11.559
meeting with you this Sunday night. I swear, I swear

646
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:14.400
I tell you all of it. Everything I have to

647
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.880
tell someone and have to tell someone. Please please please

648
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.880
not print this in paper. He frank kill me. I

649
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.320
am his slave, and he owns me like whatever he wants,

650
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.960
almost killed me once. I be only one alive, know

651
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:32.880
it him, nobody else know. I'm so scared. All the

652
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:36.480
time policemen come to door. Never happen. He say, we

653
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.559
never be caught. But I am scared to die. I

654
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:44.440
be guilty too. I not be call you arrayed police,

655
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.320
trace all your calls back to here. But if you

656
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:51.400
will only please please help me, help me and promise

657
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.000
me not to go to jail. In writing, I tell

658
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:57.719
you all of it, everything, everything, and it all be over.

659
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:00.920
I never never want it to be like this with

660
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.800
the little children dead. If you will help me, please please,

661
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:11.280
there be no two, no other, there be no other.

662
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.559
Hope you tell me it be all right with code

663
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:18.559
in Sunday papers. Code. So we've got code again, the

664
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:23.840
Sunday News free press. You do like others. Other letter

665
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.400
you write on front page of papers this Sunday. It

666
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:30.920
be to say whether bureau says trees bloom in three weeks.

667
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.800
I know you get my letter and understand it means

668
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:36.719
I can't I can trust you. I set up meeting

669
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:40.440
with you. No more little children's die. Please help me, please.

670
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:43.760
I feel so bad like garbage, not deserve to live anymore.

671
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:46.960
Maybe I kill sell first. Must get out of this

672
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:52.599
some way. Please help me. I signed Allen. Now let's

673
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.920
go back and talk about the nuances of this particular letter.

674
00:38:56.079 --> 00:39:01.440
That's good luck guys, Thank you Nolan.

675
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:04.199
Good luck to you Nolan too.

676
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.199
All right, so let's go back here.

677
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.559
So listening to any nuances?

678
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:12.960
Got what nuances?

679
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.320
Well? It said, Look if you go back to the

680
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.599
second page there would understand. And actually that one he

681
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.719
wrote they did write copy correctly if they weren't understand,

682
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.920
was actually spelled as unders. And then d n A,

683
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.960
which I think is a direct and obvious hint. Okay,

684
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:33.079
it's intentional. It joking was intentional.

685
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.000
Okay, so I'll get it.

686
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.800
Wasn't beautiful, it said, be cautiful. It's you need the

687
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:40.920
original copy.

688
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:45.440
I read it. I read it like normal words, not

689
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:48.360
like misspellings. I'm not here to discuss the miss I'm

690
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:54.719
not here to discuss.

691
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.199
Harry would not have been able to solve it with

692
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:55.920
this copy.

693
00:39:56.480 --> 00:40:03.840
This is what I sentr. This is what I sent her, this.

694
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:07.039
Is what you said her. She didn't know she didn't

695
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.400
send the one I sent to you, then, because I

696
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:12.239
know for certain I sent it, there's no question. Actually

697
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:14.800
I said it redundantly. I believe I said it more

698
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:15.239
than once.

699
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:16.519
I've not received one.

700
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.280
I'll look into that mystery. I don't waste ad your time,

701
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:20.280
so go ahead.

702
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.199
All right, So let's talk about some of the things

703
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:26.360
that it's talking about. He's going to commit suicide. We've

704
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:30.599
heard this several times in the Zodiac communications. Can't help me,

705
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:33.639
which is one of the Melvin Belli letters from the

706
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:37.519
zodiac please help you help. I did notice that there's

707
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:39.719
a lot of repeating of the words in here. So

708
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:42.199
when we look at Harriet Solves and we see that

709
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:46.320
Jack is repetitively saying the same word two and three times,

710
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:50.960
that that is occurring in this letter as well, correct Harriet,

711
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:56.840
like sometimes he's eating the word, like he's shouting it almost.

712
00:40:56.159 --> 00:41:00.559
Yeah, he's he's this is this was screaming stenograph code.

713
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:04.039
It was easy to do. And anyways, keep going.

714
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.840
Well, and then we have the slave reference, so we

715
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:11.840
know that that is Zodiac one oh one. And then

716
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:15.559
we see here I underlined it never never, never been

717
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:20.119
with him. So we're seeing the repetitive words. Let's see

718
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:24.239
picks the ones he kills here here right here, gagged

719
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:27.400
all the time, brings them up in a close hamper.

720
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.920
So everybody needs to remember when Jack left South Lake Tahoe,

721
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.639
he had been a mechanic truck mechanic for the South

722
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:39.920
Lake Tahoe Linen Company, in which case laundry bags would

723
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.039
come into play and it would be a great way

724
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.840
to you know, carry they'd have to knock these kids

725
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:47.559
out though I would think to carry them up in

726
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:49.960
a close hamper, because I would think that kid would

727
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.519
be yelling and screaming inside of that thing.

728
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.800
Probably not, Probably not how they were secreted.

729
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.480
Yeah, no, this may be a complete.

730
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.800
Again, I mean put the whole put on really right.

731
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.800
So we've got Detroit and my reference there was Gmac

732
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:13.320
and his keychain. The Gremlin we now know was still

733
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:16.679
in the parking lot after family members went searching for

734
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:21.800
Timothy King. So likely not something that was involved with

735
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:25.519
this particular kidnapping. But again we see in one sentence,

736
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.360
in one statement, he spells gremlin correctly, and the next

737
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.880
one he's spelling it incorrectly, just like with guilty and

738
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.960
the word juilty. One line he's spelling it incorrectly, the

739
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.159
next line he's showing that he knows exactly how to

740
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.519
spell it. So I look at a lot of these

741
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:45.599
I look at a lot of these misspellings as intentional misspellings.

742
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:52.559
Exactly Grimlin, he's grimming. This is a grim situation, Grimlin,

743
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.039
grim situation. See go ahead.

744
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:58.760
So nobody stops him in Detroit. So one time he

745
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:01.039
spells Detroit with a lower case letter, the next time

746
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:04.360
he spells it properly with a capital letter. There's also

747
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.039
I mean, he's attempting to make it sound as though

748
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.039
his first language is not English. But I find that

749
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.159
there's syntax and there's linguistics in here that is very

750
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.239
much so. Pointing to the fact that he knows English

751
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.519
very well and some of the words that he actually

752
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:22.400
knows and that he's using is definitely going to be

753
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.639
clause for concern because most people who don't have English

754
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:28.840
as the first language wouldn't know these words are how

755
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:29.880
to spell them correctly.

756
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:36.840
Just you hear who they're going after. They didn't speak

757
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.320
English quite well and became custodians Nazis.

758
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.239
Well, anyway, this particular line gives me, gives me a

759
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:48.000
reason to have pause, and that is tell you something else.

760
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:50.719
He killed lots of little kids then with metals for it,

761
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.880
burn them to death, bomb them with napalm. It's real

762
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.000
beautiful their doc. I wanted to bring that up because

763
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:03.880
we actually have a message from Danny Denny sorry Denny Terrence,

764
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:08.360
who while he was in Vietnam sent or sent a

765
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:11.880
letter back to Jack stating, it's real beautiful here. You'd

766
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:15.079
love it. It's hunting season all year round, so to

767
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:19.119
hear another person say it's real beautiful there, Doc just

768
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:22.760
absolutely blows my mind because that was far too close

769
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.360
for home, and far more of a coincidence than anyone

770
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:28.559
could imagine as it pertains to what we think Jack

771
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:30.960
and Denny may even have been a part of with him,

772
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.079
or the fact that anybody would call something like the

773
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:41.039
Vietnam beautiful, it's real becaudiful. I know it doesn't. I'm

774
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:47.519
not focusing on that right this yet. I'm just terry.

775
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:49.440
You don't have to be here if you can't handle

776
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:57.559
this today, Okay, thank you, Thank you, blond off off,

777
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:04.039
thank you, because get nothing back for what he did

778
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:08.320
for our country. This is the premise I believe for yourselves, Harriet,

779
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:12.760
which is that he is screaming he's not getting paid. Right,

780
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:16.679
He's screaming he's not getting paid. He's screaming that he

781
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:19.719
needs a remedy. He's screaming that the government has you know,

782
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:21.840
altered his brain and he needs help.

783
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:27.039
Yeah. So he's working and he's needing help at the

784
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.840
same time. So whenever you're ready, I will read that fault.

785
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:33.519
Good lord, Yeah, I'm getting to it. I'm just I'm

786
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:37.440
going back down. Just the things that are consistent with

787
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.159
what we know out of those messages. And I wasn't

788
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:43.280
really trying to focus on any type of misspellings. I

789
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.400
can see that they're misspelled. I'm just reading them for

790
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.039
what it's worth and what it's worth right now. It's

791
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.239
real beautiful there, Doc. That's not a statement anybody said

792
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:58.360
in regards to Vietnam that it wasn't beautiful. He hates children,

793
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:00.920
but doing it because he hates everybody. He's going to

794
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:03.840
kill some more. So there's that more statement that we

795
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:08.039
saw with more or next to the zodiac the shouldn't

796
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:10.440
we already talked about use the number eight instead of

797
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:14.480
an apostrophe in order to create the word which we

798
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:19.039
saw that occurring in the dear draft board letters. I

799
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.559
will turn I will turn him in if you will

800
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:23.960
swear to help me. And he also indicates that he's

801
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.360
going to turn him in on a Sunday night and

802
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.199
at a at a bar, no less and it says

803
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.400
please please please not print this in the paper, which

804
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:35.280
is just the opposite of what we had seen happening

805
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.400
with all of the zodiac stuff. He definitely wanted it,

806
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:46.800
definitely wanted it to be printed versus this one's saying,

807
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:49.719
please don't print, which is kind of just the opposite.

808
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.480
He said, we never be caught, and that's exactly what

809
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:56.760
the Zodiac claimed. He's gonna He wanted to be responded

810
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:59.719
by code, which again is a Zodiac thing, and the

811
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:03.679
new and Free Russ, which again is Zodiac. Maybe I

812
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.800
kill myself first, so again he refers back to committing suicide,

813
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:12.079
and then that actually brings us to yourself. I do

814
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:13.880
have some things on the screen, but I'm sure you're

815
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:15.920
not going to be able to read that. Actually, we're

816
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.320
down to one minute, and thanks to all of that

817
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:21.400
mess by Terry, it seems that we did not make

818
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.880
it through near as much because he wouldn't allow me

819
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.159
to run the program. I'm sorry, Harriet. We're going to

820
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:30.800
have to do this on a pre record on Tuesday.

821
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.440
I believe it is. I was gonna all right, So

822
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:39.119
Tuesday at twelve Tuesday, at twelve noon our time, we'll

823
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:40.880
be doing a pre record. We're going to pick up

824
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:42.239
from this and move on from that.

825
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:47.639
Oh that's great, yeah, I'm ready perfect.

826
00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:50.280
Well, I am sorry you guys, what a what a

827
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:54.000
shit show? Just to make that like when somebody else

828
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:56.960
wants to control the narrative of the podcast that you're running,

829
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:58.599
and wants to tell you how you should run it,

830
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:00.480
and wants to argue with you with about what you

831
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:02.519
want to talk about. He would have been given an

832
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.280
ample amount of time to discuss his opinion. Howd he

833
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:07.239
let me even begin to finish what it was that

834
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.599
I was doing. So I appreciate everybody. Thank you for

835
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:14.360
being here. We oh, actually I think, well, I don't know.

836
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.639
We're running over it, says forty eight point three. Is

837
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:19.159
there anything else you'd like to add before we leave, Harriet?

838
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.880
Oh, just thank you for this opportunity to work the

839
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:28.719
OCCK cases. This is opening up so many directions and

840
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:31.599
what Jack is doing and who he's working for at

841
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:35.480
that time. So it's going to be great and a wonderful,

842
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:38.800
but some people are going to be very angry also

843
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.400
at the same time. So thank you very much for that.

844
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.559
Thank you everybody for being here. Have a wonderful weekend,

845
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:47.039
and we will see you next Friday.

846
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:03.880
He must