Sept. 27, 2024

Oakland County Child Killer Part 5

Oakland County Child Killer Part 5

Follow the crimes of the Oakland County Child Killer as we review the murder of Jill Robinson and the anonymous letter sent to Law Enforcement which is very much Zodiacesque along with the solve from Harriette Sucher. We will continue to review the...

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Follow the crimes of the Oakland County Child Killer as we review the murder of Jill Robinson and the anonymous letter sent to Law Enforcement which is very much Zodiacesque along with the solve from Harriette Sucher. We will continue to review the murders of Kristine Mihelich and Timothy King. We will review work from Cathy Broad, sister of Tim King, and a current article on the state of these unsolved crimes. .

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Good Morning, truth seekers and true crime junkies, Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the zodiaclcome to.

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The show today. Terry Batcher, Hey your kids, Hi yahya,

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good morning. Are you I'm very well, I'm quite well.

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Nice and do we have Harriet to Schey with us?

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Yes, I mean yay, thank you morning and hi hiya

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hia to you too. Kids.

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Right back, Terry from an old TV show, A line

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from a really old black one that was actually before

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my time.

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But I heard it when I was a kid.

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I think that was no, I think I knew. I

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think it was Howdy Dooty.

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Yeah, it was something to do with Andy Devine and

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Howdy Dooty and uh and a frog that he had

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up buying him as a prop.

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And and it was crazy stuff.

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Yeah, well, I had an extremely interesting I was in

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Stockton for trial on Wednesday. I had finished testifying and

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the judge wanted to reserve me, which is odd because

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either when the sides are done with me, they tell

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me I can go, that I've been released, but the judge,

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for whatever reason, wanted me to hang out and stay behind.

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I'm assuming because when the other side testifies, if he

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had any further questions of me, and it was on

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a will contest, I'm testifying that the initials on the

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will were not done by the testing or the handwriting

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all over. It is actually the beneficiary's handwriting, and that

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in fact, she's the one that did the initials, and

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the signature on.

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The will is a forgery.

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So as I'm standing out in the hallway doing some emailing,

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I get these two girls come up to me and

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she says, there's been a bomb threat.

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We want you to shelter in place. What the hell

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did you? What the hell did you?

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I'm on the eleventh floor, mind you, and I know

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that this is many in comparison to the Twin Towers,

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but I'm thinking to myself, I went out of here.

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I need to get I need to go right now.

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They're like, no, this happens all the time, and I

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get it.

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It's stocked in right.

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Yeah.

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So they put me in a coffee room because they

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wanted me to be away from all the glass windows.

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And I'm in this conference room for about twenty minutes.

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They come back and they say, okay, we're now evacuating

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the building. I'm like, all right, death one three. How

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often does this happen? She said twice in the last

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thirty days. I'm like, oh, so it's kind of serious.

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Then now I.

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Really want out.

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But they tell us that they're taking us down floor

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by floor at a time, and we had to stay

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on our floor until they come to get us.

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I'm like, are you freaking hitting me right now? I

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to an elevator. It opened up.

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I'm like I'm getting in and everybody's like no, the

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judge said you had to stay on this floor.

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I'm like, okay.

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One of the one of the bailiffs came out and

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he took the elevator.

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I'm like, piggyback rides, piggyback rides. I just want to

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get down and out of this place.

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And before i know it, the court clerk comes out

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and he says, nobody's returning to court today. All trials

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have been suspended. We've got a reschedule. I was like, wow,

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duck one five, I.

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Really got out of here now completely.

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Then we had to walk even though the elevators are running,

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and they took somebody and they took somebody in a

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wheelchair down in the elevator. Well, if you're willing to

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take them, why didn't you take all of us. There's

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only nine of us on this floor, so we all

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would have been in that elevator ride with the person

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in the wheelchair and gotten out of their asap. But

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now in three inch knee high leather boots and polyester jumpsuit,

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I had to walk down eleven flights of stairs.

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Oh lord man.

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When we got out, there was ambulances, fire trucks. Obviously

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the entire court has been emptied out. The judges are

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being ushered out by two sheriffs a piece with high

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powder rifles.

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And about the.

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Same time, Santa Maria actually had a bomb go off

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in the courthouse, and I was just like, oh my gosh,

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like the stress and I have to I visit this

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courthouse a lot.

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It's not going to be fun for me to.

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Ever go back.

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And let's just say, whoever out there has an agenda

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against the courts, you're hurting innocent people. It's not about you,

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and it's not about the people you think that have

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done you wrong or the fact that you want to

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get out from underneath your trial that day. This is

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not a thing you guys. People need to stop taking

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other people's lives into their own hands.

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Absolutely exactly.

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About today, Oh my god, it was.

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It was absolutely.

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Insane that pod therapy won't fix.

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It, exactly.

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And you know the best part about my appearance is

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that right after I testified, the other side testified. She

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admitted to signing all the initials on the UH on

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the will. And I think because of that, when the

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clerk came out to say that they were rescheduling the date,

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he went back in to ask the judge if he

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needed me to return on that date, and the judge

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that no, I'm.

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Done with her.

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It was the girl. The girl got up there and

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admitted it on the stand. And I'm pretty sure that

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will's going to be Nolan void. Anyways, All right, back

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to back to hit the ridic Jack.

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Last week we left off on Jill Robinson.

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She went missing for four days from December twenty second

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to December twenty sixth, and she was found on the

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side of I seventy five year Big Beaver Road in Troy, Michigan.

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And of course Terry's going to have a lot to

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say about Beaver. We'll be talking about that as we

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go along. Good morning, Nolan, Good morning, Good morning man.

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She had the top of her head blown off with

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a twelve gig show. She's one of the four Oakland

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County child murder victims. And I know, Terry b you'd

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made some mention about seven victims in that seven come

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eleven thing, but there is evidence to indicate that only

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they only four of these murders were by the Oakland

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County child killer, and that the other there was at

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least two of the other and I want to say

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eight or whatever it was, two of them had already

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been they've convicted somebody.

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Of that crime.

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So we're talking about that. We'll be talking about.

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That seven, right number seven. That's all just.

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No I know, I yeah, I know, And it could

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be somebody that's part of the group, and it could

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be somebody that's part of the group, making it seven.

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I don't know either way. I'm just and they did.

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They did convict other people of some of the crimes,

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so there wasn't a total of seven now, uh.

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Yeah, one, I think only one person.

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Here.

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You have an email here that you can you see

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that to read it or do you need?

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Go ahead?

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You read it? Well, but I can if you want me.

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To go for it at your words, I bought hi, y'all.

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Well.

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Other than the emergence of the very important sing or

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witness document that Jill Robinson murder case files seem to seem.

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Files seem to be minimal and a bit sketchy. It's

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unusual that we have a victim that apparently had a

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fear of being shot in the face and ended up

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getting the top of her head destroyed with it by

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close range shotgun blast, with no apparent explanation for why

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she would just lay on the ground and get shot

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in such a manner. There are a few police files

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that tend to make sense, but damn few. I'm anxious

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to see how Harriet Souche weighs in on Robinson murder

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in light of her recent antagram solve of the secret

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witness document. By the way, I repeatedly use the line

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in the upper and lower case letters to title secret

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Witness a document because that's the way it was actually written. Furthermore,

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it also serves to accentuate the fact that Jack was

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trying to make it clear that the document is laced with.

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Multiple cryptic hints.

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It has an obviously very cryptic plain text layer, and

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Harriet has now decoded a an inner layer that apparently

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posts several interesting on canny remarks. I'm going to bet

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that Harriet has some surprising was surprised to see the

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name Otilli. I'm not sure to pronounce that it's Otilly

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Lundren stated in a decoded message. We should point we

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should point out the fact that ninety two Otilly Lundren

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was a two thousand and one anthrax murder victim, and

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apparently no one seems to have any idea how she

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ingested anthrax.

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Really, Okay, back, yeah.

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I'm canny, and that's that's what Harriet found.

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And back she ought to tell me answer to set

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the straight on that when I get done reading this thing,

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and back to the Jill with some case strange bits

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and pieces of merge. I think we should certainly are

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questions about the Ed Bell suspect.

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I double check to see.

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Let's see, it seems that Ed Bell was a fugitive

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during that same time frame that the Jill Robinson case occurred.

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I'm going to try to lean army learn more about

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Ed Bill. It seems that Ed was allowed to be

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to become a fugitive.

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Definitely.

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Well, I think I think he's in some information I

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have too that will be covering. Okay, so I'm going

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to hold off on that last paragraph because that gets

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a little a little ahead of things. Well, we do,

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do you have another one?

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I know what's that.

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It's the last paragraph. It is very hard.

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Hitting and okay, do you want me to read it

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to read it or have you read it?

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Okay, I'll read it real quick because I want and

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we need to screen through this. Harriet's all a secret

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witness page results in a document that supports the real

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that the WTC twin towers were rigged to be destroyed

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and that the anthrax attacks were unilateral.

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Move.

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To my way of thinking, I think that there are

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basically two camps regarding the two thousand and one nine

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to eleven tax those people that don't want to hear

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anything about it and those people that have the courage

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to face the simple facts involved. Over the years, the

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second group have been unfairly labeled conspiracy theorists. I myself

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knew from the first moment that I saw the towers

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drop that my mind screamed bullshit, and it didn't take

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long for me to realize the functional reality of the

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mentally paralyzed group. I took up the cause of exploring

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the Zodiac killer and Ramsey murder case and such because

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I believe that we might be able to deprogram several

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people from the group one. All yeah, and also because

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there's plenty of information currently available in order to figure

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out who was actually behind all of this outrageous and

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apparently organized murderous mayhem, which apparently goes back several decades.

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Now, all right, so what did you want to comment

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on that?

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Well, it's a self explanatory. If nine to one one

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doesn't drive in so many different ways.

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Is oh okay, Well that's what I just said, which

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is we're your words. It doesn't make sense, and the

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programming people need to happen. And the reality is is

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that when I saw the anthrax letters and recognize those

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to be from the Zodiac's handwriting is when I put

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the two together, I think that most people was a

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little They were a little astonished that I even came

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up with it. And it was really because of something

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I had heard back in two thousand and one during

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the attacks that I even got interested in what was

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going on with Anthrax, and with the finale letter from

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Tim miller Ware it just screamed fourth grader, which we

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know is the return address from the Anthrax letters.

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Yeah, one of the clues. I had no choice but

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to circle back around.

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Now.

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Another good point that you brought out, Terry, is these

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these drawings, or I'm going to say drawings. I thought

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it was interesting too. When I went back to look,

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I thought his picture looked a little fun. But you

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had mentioned here it's been nagging me that there's a

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great disparity in the two attached images of Occk Victim

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Mark Stebbins. Add to this the fact that the faded

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film picture that the Nett presented from Jack's belongings greatly

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resembles the photo image, but does not at all resemble

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the composite image. My question is, does a composite image

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actually actually bear more of a resemblance to Robert Stevens

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or one of his closest relatives, because it's it really

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doesn't match up with the actual image of Mark Stebbins.

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I thought that was a great, great statement that you make.

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Number one, they had an actual picture of Stebbens. Why

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do this composite drawing in the middle of the seven victims?

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So that that didn't make sense. So I pulled them

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all out and I put them up here next to

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each other. And the composite drawing does not really resemble

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Mark Stevens.

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Right, No, I.

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Notice how much your picture does the one you have

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from Jack Spine The picture does.

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Yeah, right with that long side.

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Yeah, so you said this Steben's image disparity reminds me

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of the dB Cooper Caper images that apparently and greatly

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conflict with the publicized image of the suspect. Harriet, Nnette

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and I are all convinced that John Walker, Terrence Junior,

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aka Zodiac Jack was dB Cooper. The post caper documents

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convinced me of that quite some time ago. And yes,

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he probably got very injured in that jump, and most

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likely because he failed to pull up on the ring

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handles soon enough.

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It served him right in my honest opinion.

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BTW, I was glad to speed up the business of

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Mark Stebbins in order to get to the business of

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the Secret Witness document on the last podcast. I have

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a lot to say about the Secret Witness document. Okay,

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we can get to that posted image of Mark Stevens

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on the seven Victims chart is very suspicious and simply

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doesn't jibe. But I'm going to show you something because

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I thought it got extremely interesting when I put the

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two pictures together and I went, wow, that really doesn't

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even look like the same style of hair.

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It doesn't their differences right, But then look at that.

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Look at that next to the picture found in Bushes.

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It's got that same straw like feature of hair. Yeah,

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it's got the same eyebrows even.

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I mean when I was looking at the eyebrows, I

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was like, wow, they are kind of right right in

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realm with each other. But I thought it was interesting

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that now we've got these two different composites which greatly

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resemble each other, and we can see up here they

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used an actual picture for everybody except for Mark Stebbens.

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Why why they have the picture? This makes sense?

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It doesn't make sense.

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Notice the eyebrows.

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And I'll go back one page to where you were

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at Let's see what the eyebrows of the actual photos

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look like if they could see them at all. There

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wispy on the composite. Yeah, there are full eyebrows on

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his on his picture, and they look like a full

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eyebrow on his uh smeary picture on the right. But

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notice that in the composite picture, even that positive pictures,

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and it spot on to to the uh to the

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screaming boy diagram because he's showing a full And so

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go back forward to where you were a document and

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notice eyebrows. Look at their full dark eyebrow and a

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screaming boy, but they're a wispy little or almost like

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my eyebrows. They are the kind of short looking at

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the top on that composite. So yeah, the composite is

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from hell. But then notice that the hair like you say, so, yeah,

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it's it's a stink. And also look at how high

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the ears are placed on the head of the screaming boy,

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like way up his head.

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But you know he has kind of typical lower placed

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ears on his head.

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So where did the screaming boy come from?

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It was tattoo the wall of Chris Bush's death scene.

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Chris bus was a suspect.

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Suspect that was stated on We'll get to the talk

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about that later that I don't think he he may

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have had something to do with this stuff, but.

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Or he may have been forced included. But I I

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don't believe that anything to do with any of the

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murderers myself.

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But that's he was. He was a pedophile.

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He was the son of a higher, higher up exec

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of was it g M A C or.

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Yeah, Jerry, I don't know that he was. He was.

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I was busted for for some pedophilia stuff, but I don't.

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Think he was A dad kept saving him. He wasn't

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really getting busted.

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I think that's true.

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His dad kept saving him.

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But he You know, if you read further, you'd find

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out that the couple of people he was involved with

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are actually more steeped than and were batter actors than him.

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I want to say that.

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I want to say that the dad was he was

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a high up exec for the international and domestic finance

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division of g M ac Okay and.

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Then his brothers stated that at the death of Bush, well.

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Let's get let's get to Bush later. Let's get the later,

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all right.

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So that brings us back to your last team, which

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was about the Secret Witness document. Technically, the secret Witness

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Document is filed as a Jill Robinson, so that was

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found in her files.

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I think it was more of the general.

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Files because some of those elves got all got jammed together.

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But it's it's the point that I want to make

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about that is that was the always secret Witness document.

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Okay, I keep going, Yeah, I just needed the question answer.

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It arrived during the Jill Robinson on the heels of

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the Jill Robinson.

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Murdered so well, and it says however, and because of

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its pivotal importance, and because the occ case was of

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course presented to the public as a whole item, it

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greatly warrants repeated review. Zodiac Jack documents carry a lot

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of messages and at the same document is something that

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I have made several different annotated copies of because of

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the simple fact that it's too damn busy to be

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covered by only one page. There is no question whatsoever

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that Jack rotated most of the end slightly clockwise in

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order to double and serve as the Zodiac Killer hints

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and yes, He also slipped JT initials hints as well

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as his bisected letter B hints the clearly double as

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the number thirteen. The crop mark style of the letter

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K is also serve as a number eleven, because, of course,

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the letter K is the eleventh letter of the alphabet

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in the plaintext word Lincoln. Notice how he treated the

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second letter L to take an take on a V shape. Again,

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the letter V is the twenty second letter of the alphabet.

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King eleven, thirteen, and twenty two are among the most

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redundant of John Walker, Terrence Junior, Zodiac Jack hints sadly,

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the nasty murch Oh, I'm not going on to that one,

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all right. So that brings us to the Secret Witness Letter.

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You guys, I'm so excited today.

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I am not so ready something to bring us about

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Millikk the other girl. He killed her too.

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Okay, let let's not preface it.

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What you want to bring up that's taking time, and

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we can bring it up when we're ready.

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To go there.

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So the Secret Witness Letter.

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The Secret Witness Letter is basically following on the cusp

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of a secret witness program that was being talked about

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in the Detroit News.

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Correct Harry.

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Yes, so this coming out secret Witness is another one

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of those I say humorous, but Zodiac want to one

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things to do.

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He claims to be secret. Guess who I am.

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He's constantly, you know, eluding being identified. So the secret

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Witness letter says, secret Witness, I am very concerned about

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the murders that has been going on. I think I

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know someone that would bear looking into. Their name is

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Belle that live in Clawson on Lincoln. This boy about

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nineteen or twenty years old, named Roger, has a very

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bad record about molesting girls. There is quiet. Now these

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are all misspellings. There is quiet. A family of these

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pedophiles or people. One older boy also. The father is

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custodian and class in schools. Mother works in factory. These

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kids have no supervision. They go and come as they please.

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I do not.

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Believe they could stand does that stand. I don't believe

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they could stand checking something.

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Yeah, yeah, it's cut off at the bottom.

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I do believe, it says, But it's looking. I get

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little games they played there all over the place. I mean,

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there's a ton to talk.

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About here, a lot right.

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Well, and I did kind of cover that that I

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was able to find that one cursive written oh with

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the loop in the center even leans the same direction

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and is the same shape as what we see Zodiac

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and Jack doing. And for me that was a home

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run hit because all the rest of the o's are

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done in this.

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Tear tear drip fashion.

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But you can clearly see that that's also a ruse

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that the Zodiac used as well.

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Right, it's his que too.

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Right.

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So here's one of your annotated pieces if you want

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to discuss some of the things that you were talking

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about in in your review of it.

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Well, let's see, it's been a while. I did this

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a long time ago.

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So this reminds me of the Secret pal Zodiac doc

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and the Secret Santa Report.

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And the Ramsey murder.

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Right, Okay, there's a historical feature on detail on the

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Zodiac killing Zodiac speak kingsp with the capital ka put

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it and in which T I T A M is

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expressed by the gap between the I can barely read

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this pretty small, but I probably should go to my

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own page. Left, he's saying Tim Tim, and the right

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he's saying King on that, and again it says Tim

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King thing that he did part of me on all

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of the the many many Zodiac Killer speaking document. Actually

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all of them, every single one of them was was

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a Tim King document in my opinion, because it mentions

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is the word camp.

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Okay, I n g. Let's see him more to this

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next thing. I don't know. I mean you to spend

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a lot of time in this one.

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Says that throw a little Z, I mean over the queue.

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Yeah.

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The cue is is a typical one of his cues

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that you pointed out a long time ago.

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And uh, it is a mass figure eye. It's a match, and.

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It's a match to the Zodiac and to Jack and

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the way they form their letter cues.

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Yes, and a secret witness there.

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I notice how the the the end is slightly rotated.

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It's almost a forty five degree wrote angle rotation there.

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So it's actually he's with Z, you know, with with

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a Z. It's another Z sort of thing. And he

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goes through and look at all these things that I

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circled at the time. I'm just pointing out things that

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you can find in his other historical documents. But just

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today I wanted to say that if you could see

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it on your copy, if you went down to the

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word schools, you're going to see there's a little noose

477
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:10.039
there or one of those o's.

478
00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:12.839
And look at the jan the H next to it.

479
00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:17.640
It's the regular one of his single figure JT things.

480
00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:19.799
But there's a news see.

481
00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:26.519
What you're talking about. I don't see what terry, Terry,

482
00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.960
I do not see what you're talking about. The word schools.

483
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:35.720
Okay, it's down lower right hand corner. You see where

484
00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:37.480
I put the letter F. I circled it or.

485
00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.680
A square square box. Okay, schools is just above that.

486
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.720
Okay, so it's not it's not marked on here, right.

487
00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:48.640
So I'm marked on here a little noose right there

488
00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.000
after the age and you're going to find a ton

489
00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:52.279
of those on the Ramsey Murder.

490
00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:53.039
Not when we get to that.

491
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:54.720
After the H, I just see a letter.

492
00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:57.519
Oh yeah, but it's got a little tag on the

493
00:24:57.519 --> 00:24:59.400
top of it. It's hard to see on your copy.

494
00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:02.559
But then okay, yeah, well that brings.

495
00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:07.319
That brings us to the actual that brings Yeah, let's

496
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.039
bring let's bring that on because with that was Mark

497
00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:12.960
and I I couldn't find what you were talking about.

498
00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.680
So I have a better one. I have better than

499
00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:17.119
That's one of the worst ones I did. It was

500
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:17.680
the early one.

501
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:19.480
So Harriet.

502
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:24.319
In this particular solve, you use the Detroit News Secret

503
00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:29.720
Witness Program the Detroit News Complex six. So basically you

504
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:33.720
turn the Detroit News Secret Witness Program into the Detroit

505
00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:37.720
News Complex six fifteen West Lafayette Boulevard, Detroit, Michigan and

506
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:42.640
Detroit News Complex eight oh one at West Lafayette Boulevard, Detroit,

507
00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:46.079
Michigan for eight two two six. So those letters were

508
00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:50.160
added in the actual letters of the message or the

509
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:55.960
communication in order to anagram out look like how many

510
00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:57.319
how many numbers?

511
00:25:57.799 --> 00:25:58.680
Well, I do how many?

512
00:25:59.079 --> 00:25:59.240
Say?

513
00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:02.519
Real quick? It's like you had to identify everything possible

514
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:05.799
in that little section that Jack is saying. He said

515
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:09.720
that section connected to the letter, so you know you

516
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:11.799
identify that and then anagram.

517
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.880
But it well, where where did the Detroit Where did

518
00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:18.880
the Detroit News come from? Did just because it was

519
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:20.240
the secret Witness program.

520
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:27.119
There's there's a section that Terry B. Hallo, can you

521
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:27.440
hear me?

522
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:30.400
I couldn't for a second.

523
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:33.039
Go ahead, Oh well, I'll.

524
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:35.680
Be really I'll be slow and quick to the point,

525
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:39.319
there's a there's a section that says Detroit News Secret

526
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:44.119
Witness Program. So it was just it's like almost like

527
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.559
a stamp. You have to identify what that is and

528
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:51.920
you know where is it. And it was a huge complex.

529
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:56.720
It's no longer in uh, it's no longer functioning. The

530
00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.200
Detroit News is still there, but just not there but anyway,

531
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.079
so and then then the rest became pretty easy to

532
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:04.359
anagram the whole.

533
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.359
Thing, all right.

534
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:09.079
So I basically am showing how you've allocated all the

535
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:11.519
numbers to each and every letter that you intended on

536
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:16.559
using as anagram. And that came out with a message.

537
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:18.880
And can you read that message for us?

538
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:19.640
Oh?

539
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:23.039
I sure will. And thanks to Terry B. For sending

540
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:26.680
those stuff. Anyway, then too, you guys, okay, it comes

541
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.720
out as and I'm going to read the after Oh,

542
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:32.400
I'm just going to read the whole thing. That's all

543
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:35.920
nice and neat. It is editor Giles, who's from Texas.

544
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.079
By the way, he just got there. Detroit News Complex

545
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:45.119
six fifteen and eight oh one West La Fey At Boulevard, Detroit, Michigan,

546
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.680
zip code for eight two two six local exchange carrier

547
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:54.119
at and T Bell facsimile. He's saying, this is a

548
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:59.200
fac simily. I killed Nixon, execute order and operations orders.

549
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:05.039
Trader Robert steppenth and Little Lenny Saltz, Viat Long Mee

550
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:11.400
Kong Delta Vietnam Attorney King Boys. Jill Robertson is another

551
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:16.519
ed Bell Texas obituary to tell the truths. I'm very

552
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:23.000
concerned about the DD. That's Dwight David Eisenhower, DASH, Saudi WMD,

553
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:28.279
Weapons of Mass Destruction, years of documents in order execute

554
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:32.119
order for nine eleven O one, the Twin Towers Will

555
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:39.640
Trade Center, then the WMD aimestream Anthrax Act knowledge question

556
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:46.200
you ir UBI user medium, Please do you have secret

557
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:54.440
MK ultra program? Oh? Oh, oh, shitty Old Sydney Gottlieb Sheesh.

558
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:59.680
The remedy on stamp a red color two cent George

559
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:04.039
Washington she Mac Perforation, Cincinnati, Ohio. There's supposed to be

560
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.960
a question mark. He's asking questions.

561
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:11.880
Okay, but hold on, hold on before you before you continue.

562
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.440
That's in parent parentheses, so you are just yeah, you're

563
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:18.559
just letting us know what the remedy on the stamp is.

564
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.119
So that's not actually part of the SAUL. That's you

565
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:22.759
telling us what stamp it is.

566
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.480
Right, Oh, it's in the sault is in the two

567
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:31.920
see when he when he sectioned off the Detroit the

568
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:36.160
secret witness section. That would be when you're sectioning it off,

569
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.960
it's going to come out as in parentheses. So I

570
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:43.559
moved those in parentheses there. Everything fit very well. So anyways,

571
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:47.480
he's saying, and Scripts family, son in law George Booth,

572
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:54.640
Connecticut Senator Prescott Bush, widow his Connecticut aid Ddly Lundren

573
00:29:55.400 --> 00:30:01.160
New England, Vermont Governor Hoff assistant Patrick Lee, the Holy

574
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:04.960
See should have some via curia. Oh I wish I

575
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:08.119
saved some. I knew he was trying to say that already,

576
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.720
so I put that in there. That is not completely

577
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:16.400
in the solve. Anyways, signed Terrence, smiling, and he's frustrated.

578
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:19.200
All right, So I want to take us back to

579
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:24.799
you mentioned Scripts family. So if everybody remembers me discussing

580
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:28.759
the actual phone book of Carol Settelmeyer, who happens to

581
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:32.480
be in the heart of this entire area where these

582
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:36.279
children are going missing, there's talk about dogs that are

583
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:40.759
being used to actually steer these kids away and to

584
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.319
abduct them. She had many dog pounds listed in her

585
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.640
phone book, many law enforcement agencies, many bars. The other

586
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.279
crazy thing was is that she had literally written in

587
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:55.720
the backside of this book was a doctor that is

588
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.799
on Scripts back here in Sacramento. So I was, like,

589
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.960
Script's family, where's that?

590
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:03.799
And who is the Scripts family?

591
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:09.480
They they have everything to do with a lot of newspapers,

592
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.839
especially the Detroit the Detroit News. They they owned it

593
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.160
and then the son in law, George I believe, was

594
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.359
running it. So but they owned a lot of things.

595
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.319
But this is a connection in Detroit.

596
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.359
So the Scripts family son in law Booth, how does

597
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:30.279
he play into this?

598
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.799
He was, I believe running the Detroit News for a

599
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:39.839
while and then and during the time period of MK Ultra.

600
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.640
Nice to know anyways, So he's and.

601
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:46.720
Then you said, Connecticut Senator Bush widow, What does that mean?

602
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:53.839
That is Prescott Bush widow. That's that's George Bush's grandmother

603
00:31:55.160 --> 00:32:01.519
and George and then in between that's the mother of

604
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:02.039
the future.

605
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:04.279
But why would they be bringing up why would they

606
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.480
be bringing up the widow of Senator Bush?

607
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.960
Because he's he's having something to do with MK Ultra

608
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:17.200
and he's possibly have the cure of the stamp. Because

609
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:21.680
the stamp itself has the three to two democ and

610
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.119
these dates for skull and bones on it. So there's

611
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:28.680
a lot of hints there, and Prescott Bush with skull

612
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.000
and bones, George.

613
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.440
Why are they bringing up the widow? Why are they.

614
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:38.079
Bringing up the widow because she's connected. He's saying that

615
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:42.079
there's a connection to and that's Dorothy. I believe that

616
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:46.039
she might have saved some of these stamps, gotcha?

617
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:46.880
Okay?

618
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:49.640
And then why is it bringing up the aid o

619
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:53.039
Tilly Lungren utterly autterly Lungren.

620
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:53.839
Okay.

621
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:58.720
The quick run down there is when she was about

622
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:03.279
to get married and then got married to the guy Lungren,

623
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:09.640
he was working with Prescott Bush in some kind of

624
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:13.839
law firm, and then they were very connected when they

625
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:18.680
became when he senator Prescott Busch became senator. So he's

626
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:22.359
saying that she might have some too, and there's he's

627
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:26.400
just trying to track down who has any of these

628
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:31.680
leftover pod stamps? Oh my god. And then the interesting

629
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:35.559
part is he's bringing up about Patrick Leahy here he

630
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:43.799
had just become senator nineteen seventy six, nineteen seventy seven.

631
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:46.799
And any link Governor Hoff, what's haff that's not for haffa, right.

632
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:52.079
No, it's haff It's the Governor Hoff was Vermont governor

633
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.400
during the nineteen sixties, but he was also in the

634
00:33:56.519 --> 00:34:00.440
law business, and Patrick Leahy was one of the junior

635
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.119
warriors with him. I had to verify that very quickly.

636
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:09.000
I said, that's right he was. So he's asking, does

637
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:14.159
Patrick lee he have some got he gets contract letter?

638
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.159
Can I say, oh, that's right?

639
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:18.480
Okay?

640
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:23.000
So Lay he is one of the recipients of Okay.

641
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.519
I thought the name sounded familiar to me, but we're

642
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:26.599
not two thousand and one.

643
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:29.199
Yes, Can I say something real quick about this what

644
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.239
you just said, here's a pointing out the Abby is

645
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.440
saying this, But here is the decode of a nineteen

646
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:40.880
seventy six document that's mentioning the twin towers and and

647
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:46.159
racks and the victim Killy, I believe Hotel everyone euns

648
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.039
that there's a victim right there. So the connectivity goes

649
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.440
full circle right on that damn document from nineteen seventy six.

650
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.519
Well he received Lay he received the letter.

651
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:02.599
Too, well too if he did so, Yes, this bomb,

652
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:04.559
this is a bomb, and.

653
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:09.320
All this stuff came through.

654
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:11.280
And then.

655
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.320
Hold on, Harriet, hold on, go ahead, Nolan.

656
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:18.760
Guess who was the head of the CIA in nineteen

657
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.199
seventy six, George Bush.

658
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.920
George shut up.

659
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:29.719
He was CIA under Gerald Ford.

660
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.760
Yes, well, yeah, And you know, the whole Anthrax thing

661
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:38.159
that my theory or my philosophy and some others as well,

662
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:44.400
is that George Bush wanted to go to war for oil,

663
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:50.119
and the whole Anthrax thing was to perpetuate a by

664
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:54.079
a warfare attack. So if an act of international terrorism

665
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:58.920
hits our country, the president at the time can override

666
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.559
a veto from Congress to go to war based on

667
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.639
that single premise. And there's a second premise, which is

668
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.920
an act of biowarfairrism. So the fact that we saw

669
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.480
both things occur within a week of each other at

670
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:15.199
the time, my understanding is that Congress had said we're

671
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.199
not going to war and told Bush we were not

672
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:18.719
going to.

673
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:19.719
Enter this country.

674
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.920
Then we see the perpetration of the nine to eleven

675
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:28.000
Twin Towers, which is the act of terrorism or purportedly,

676
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.679
we didn't do it to ourselves, right, it was them

677
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:34.159
that did it to us. So Bush asked to go

678
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.800
to war at this point, and he was vetoed again

679
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:42.800
by Congress. Then we have the Anthrax letters approximately you know,

680
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.880
seven days later that are mailed. That's an act of biowarfairrism.

681
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:49.760
So if you look it up in your politics books,

682
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.199
you guys, you'll see that there are two reasons that

683
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.360
the president can override a veto to go to war,

684
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:59.239
And in this particular instance, not only was Bush able

685
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.679
to overrune that veto to go to war, but in

686
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:04.239
fact did and that was all over oil.

687
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.079
Well, he was a part of.

688
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.119
The war that Oh my god, So I guess he

689
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.960
was me doing it or something. Lee he Lee he was.

690
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:17.760
I don't think he was on the side of going

691
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:18.239
to war.

692
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:21.320
With the Democrat. Yeah, he was against it.

693
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.159
Yeah, and that's why he got an anthrax letter.

694
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:26.679
Yeah, but.

695
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.400
They made they made an example out of the ninety

696
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:36.400
four year old. I tell you, though, Jack. Yeah, that's

697
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.719
a total mystery. No one knows how how she got it.

698
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.199
She lived all by herself and stuff, and all of

699
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:43.440
a sudden she turns out to that.

700
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:44.559
See.

701
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.039
I think they do know, they're just I mean, that's

702
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.239
my opinion. I've seen this more than once. Audie Lylendbren

703
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.159
that they knew ahead of time that this may have happened,

704
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:56.400
and I think they did. They do know, but they

705
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.599
are not willing to address that fact. It'll be a

706
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:01.559
couple of generations before we know.

707
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:04.800
You know, and know.

708
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:10.960
You guys that in fact, the soft target was to

709
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.760
get Iran. I'm inquire me a raq. So that's why

710
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:16.639
they took over a rack because it gives I'M a

711
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:20.800
complete base in Middle least at the United States very far,

712
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:24.440
and I think gratefully so. But but that's my opinion,

713
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:25.440
my hockey's opinion.

714
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:26.800
So there's it.

715
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:30.000
Isn't just about oil. There's no problem getting oil. It's

716
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.039
it's the power. It's a power thing, you know what

717
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:32.320
I mean.

718
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.679
I know that at the long after when I was

719
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:42.480
dealing with a sheriff from the Sacramento County Child Support Division,

720
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.840
she had indicated she is actively living in the East

721
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:49.840
during the timeframe of these twin Towers and nine to

722
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.159
eleven attacks, and she had indicated that the news that

723
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:55.559
they were being told over there was was what she

724
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:58.679
perceived to be the truth, but was completely contradicting what

725
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.000
we were being told over here in the United States,

726
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:04.480
and that evidently there was a contract for oil that

727
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.119
the East was willing to sell off, and they were

728
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.920
offering it to one country for a price less than

729
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:15.880
they were offering it to America, and that upset obviously.

730
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:18.840
I'm sure the bushes who are all oil bound.

731
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.480
Yeah, I'm not saying there's an oil factor. That's not

732
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:24.079
my point. My point is to say that there was

733
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:25.760
a grander scheme going on or do.

734
00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:30.079
But we never saw those headlines, we never saw those newspapers.

735
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:30.800
Is my point.

736
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:34.039
That the East is actually producing news on America and

737
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.199
we're completely unaware of what it's saying, and we're being

738
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:41.119
mesmerized by this disinformation that is causing us to think

739
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.679
left right instead of right down the center and what's

740
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.760
going on. Well, that brings us to our next victim,

741
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:51.920
which is Christine Mylik January second, Mihilitch.

742
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:56.239
Mihilitch January could pronounce that one.

743
00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:00.320
He killed her too, yes, January second, of my eineteen

744
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.039
seventy seven, Christine Mihilitch was taken from a seven to

745
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:08.000
eleven convenience store at twelve Mile Road in Oakshire, Berkeley, Michigan,

746
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:12.199
found nineteen days later on a rural road in Franklin Village, Michigan.

747
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:16.119
So she was the longest held victim as far as

748
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:19.199
we could tell, at nineteen days. The body was found

749
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.199
by a mail carrier who saw Blue something. So now

750
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.079
we see Blue again in the snow on Bruce Lane

751
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.239
at the end of Telegraph Road in Franklin, Michigan. Found

752
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.239
nineteen days after her abduction. She was held Quite like

753
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:35.280
Black Dahlia and others, in this case, she was She

754
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.039
suffered death by asphyxia. The body laid in the snow

755
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:42.039
within view of homes. So again we have this posing

756
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:46.039
out in public where others can see. The body is

757
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:48.840
laid in the snow well, arms are crossed and eyes

758
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:53.400
are closed. So I'm assuming that they did the stereotypical

759
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:57.239
funeral type arrangements with the arms being crossed over the body.

760
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.639
I'm not sure she had been cleaned in bayed states

761
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.840
no gross indications of sexual abuse, but sperm was found

762
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:10.280
in the vagina and rectum, So exactly what is I'm

763
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:12.800
a little blown away by this statement, you guys, because

764
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:15.400
he says no gross indications of sexual abuse.

765
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:19.719
This girl was howled? Hold on here, where do you get.

766
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:21.480
The message that she had sperm in her?

767
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.079
I have been I must have gotten it somewhere. This

768
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:26.760
is this is to.

769
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:29.000
Reread that because I don't think there was any sperm

770
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:29.719
found in her.

771
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:33.039
I'm saying that I found this back in two thousand

772
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:34.719
and nine. This is an old slide.

773
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:37.559
I have not touched it. I did not update it.

774
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.320
It's information that I picked up back in two thousand

775
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.000
and probably ten twenty eleven.

776
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.239
I think that conflicts with what I've read, but I'm

777
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:48.480
not saying I know for certain which is the true

778
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:48.840
or not.

779
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:52.559
You know, do you have any medical reports? Did they

780
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.360
have any vocular autopsy reports?

781
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:57.559
We look at those, all the medical reports when we

782
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.880
get all done going through the victimology, and then we

783
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:02.440
can only take us a moment.

784
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:03.599
But it seems to.

785
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:05.800
Me that no, she was I don't have any of

786
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:07.840
that information. If I don't have it, how can we

787
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:08.440
go over it.

788
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:10.320
I'll get it to you. I mean, I didn't want

789
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:11.800
to end debut. I didn't know what you want to do.

790
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:14.079
This would have this would have been the time to

791
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:18.840
do it, because we are going to all right, so well,

792
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:21.440
this is the information. This was the information I was

793
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.480
given at the time. Corner Stakes no gross lidications section

794
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:27.440
of sexual abuse. But sperm was found in the vagina

795
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.280
and rectum. I don't know where I got it from.

796
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:30.360
That's what's there.

797
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.039
Clothes were clean and neat.

798
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:36.760
Clothes were clean and neat despite being missing for nineteen days,

799
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.559
eleven miles and twenty one minutes from the south Field

800
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:43.280
home of Carol Settlemyer, which we've been talking about. This

801
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:47.480
phone book found in Jack's belongings. Convenience store connection that

802
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:49.960
we see in the I forty five murders and the

803
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.719
Tim Miller letter and the Sherry Joe Bates confession letter

804
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.760
referring to picking up these girls at either convenience stores

805
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:03.320
or liquor stores or things of that nature. I believe

806
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.159
that doctor Dante is is Bruce Bruce.

807
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.079
Is that is that doctor Dante's first name?

808
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:10.920
Bruce? Yes?

809
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:12.199
Yes, okay, So.

810
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:16.880
I think that would be the father.

811
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:20.000
Okay, it looks really familiar.

812
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:20.519
Okay.

813
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.920
And I want to want to pay on some symbolism

814
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:24.320
here that you may not know about.

815
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:29.000
That, So Berkeley and Franklin both have a connection to

816
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.199
Jack as far as areas are concerned.

817
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:33.400
I just wanted to state that, all right, So go ahead.

818
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:38.679
Does Telegraph Road though see yes, Telegraph Road refers to

819
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.400
as the House on Telegraph Road, which was a spy

820
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.320
outfit movie that maybe those of us are older of seeing.

821
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.119
You can see it on YouTube.

822
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.000
Telegraph is one of the locations I believe of mk Ultra.

823
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:52.039
There you go.

824
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.079
So all this stuff has symbolism, including Franklin. All this

825
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:01.960
stuff shouts ahead the Antrax documents and go backward and forward.

826
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:05.079
Zodiac Jack one, All on right?

827
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:07.360
Can I say something? All right quick?

828
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:08.320
Yeah?

829
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:13.079
Yes, doctor me and the heck if I'm pronouncing that

830
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:17.480
poor last name. Anyways, he's very much connected in atomic

831
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:22.440
energy with Enrico Fermi, the atomic plant there. They had

832
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:27.400
an accident there and I got ademned them to add

833
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:29.760
to this Aul. But he's saying that he killed the

834
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:34.719
girl and this atomic energy waste and oh my god,

835
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:40.719
what this guy was into Michelik the name. He knew

836
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:47.880
the physics of vaporizing metal with atomic radioactive parts that

837
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:50.440
go into making metals and atomic energy plants.

838
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.440
He all right, so let me let me stop you

839
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:55.800
real quick. Let me segue real quick.

840
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:59.760
We know that in nineteen sixty two Jack actually invented

841
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.400
a water waste removal from nuclear waste machine that was

842
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.639
patented for one hundred and ten thousand dollars by General

843
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:11.760
Electric Nuclear Power Plant in San Jose, California.

844
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:16.079
So when we're talking about knowing about water waste and

845
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.880
nuclear waste and things that you're speaking about right now,

846
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.079
we know that Jack was right up in the middle

847
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:22.320
of that.

848
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:27.119
And one more thing, real quick, this is this is okay,

849
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.159
hold on one more thing real quick. I now see

850
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:32.000
who this picture was, Terry B. This is David Norberg,

851
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.199
so one of the one of the suspects in the case.

852
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.960
So I put up there that I needed to research

853
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:43.199
this person having Christine's cross. He supposedly had Christine's cross necklace,

854
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.840
which is this David Norberg. And we're going to see

855
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:48.599
that in the summary from the twenty twenty three article

856
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:50.440
of what they believe they currently know.

857
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:51.480
In regards to this case.

858
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:52.280
Today, you just.

859
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:56.119
Say that Narburg was an afterthought suspect.

860
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:58.599
No, no, yeah, yeah, I'm not looking to go into

861
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.400
that right now. We've got a three minutes left. Did

862
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:07.280
you want to finish anything on Melich and the nuclear waste?

863
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:12.960
Just stop, stop, stop, Terry B.

864
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.360
Just be really quick. Hey, I think they I think

865
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:22.320
Jack knew this doctor Millechic, very bright and brilliant young

866
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.000
mind in the nineteen forties who was also in World

867
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:28.920
War Two. And the stuff that you can read, it's

868
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:32.039
a hell of a rabbit hole. He's very brilliant, but

869
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:39.119
he knew something about all these things. I believe so

870
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:43.159
because he's right there in the in the region he's

871
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:47.920
he's at Urbana State University, which is right on the

872
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:53.519
border of Michigan and in Indiana. And the radio the

873
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:56.960
reactor that he's got to be connected to is just

874
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:01.519
in the same region too, between Detroit and Urbana. So

875
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.800
this was a small world, an unusual new field. People

876
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:10.559
like Jack, Well, that's a very unique.

877
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:11.719
Let's not forget.

878
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:17.960
As well that we have the Terry. Let's not forget that.

879
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.880
Jack Terrence also has a picture of Charlotte Voy, Michigan

880
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:26.480
and the nuclear power plant in his possessions, and we've

881
00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:29.119
shown that before, but it might be worth bringing back

882
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.039
up as it pertains to John Benny Ramsay and these

883
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:33.519
Michigan Right.

884
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.599
I want to add to this very quick, very brief.

885
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:41.480
The pleted uranium is used for armor piercing, so there's

886
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:46.639
a merit to what Harriet has said about metal destruction.

887
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:52.639
The plee iranium will penetrate through the thickest of stuff.

888
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:55.079
And it's and it was used in Iraqi water.

889
00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:58.800
All right, Well, that leaves us for what that leaves

890
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.000
us at one minute, just before we get to the

891
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:03.840
Timothy King murder, which we have a lot more information

892
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.000
on thanks to Kathy Broad and Terry Botcher's work.

893
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:09.800
I thank everybody for being here today.

894
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.519
I'm still just as shocked, Harriet as always that these

895
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:17.639
solves are wrapping themselves around the very circumstances that we

896
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:20.679
find are inclusive of what's been going on in the

897
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:23.639
life of the Zodiac Killer. Thank you Terry B for

898
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.360
being here. Thank you Nolan as well. Anybody have any

899
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:27.800
last minute things to say?

900
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:36.639
Thank you Harriet. Absolutely latest, Tyro, thank you Harriet, You're

901
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:37.400
my latest hero.

902
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.039
Oh, thank you, Hey, I'm appreciative of what you do too,

903
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:49.239
So everybody happy weekend. It's coming up, absolutely too.

904
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:52.000
And I think that I would like to get that

905
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.599
information if you're trying to look up anything else on

906
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:59.000
Mehelik in regards to her autopsy report or any information

907
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.480
that might be had on that, so we could clear

908
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:03.840
that up, because again I'm not sure where that information

909
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:06.480
came from. I just know it was in this presentation

910
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:08.239
for the last ten or so years.

911
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:13.760
So we'll make that next are near next awesome?

912
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:17.000
All right, you guys, everybody have an amazing weekend, Take

913
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:18.639
care and we will talk with you soon.

914
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:43.000
I