New Victims, Jack’s Whereabouts, and a New Letter

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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. Today,
we're going to start looking at victims that

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are possibilities for the Zodiac since he
said he's not going to tell us when

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he makes his kills anymore. He's
going to make them look like accidents and

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fake clues, which I also have
a portion of a newspaper article in here

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that's going to talk about those clues, which I was really excited about.

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So I'm going to go ahead and
start by welcoming onto the show today.

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Nolan del Campo, Good morning,
Nolan, Good morning, how are you.

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I'm great? And some lag.
We've got some lag in your system.

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I'm not sure if you might want
to log out, yeah and come

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back, because I seem to be
waiting for you, yep, and then

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I'll bring everyone else and want to
do that. Okay, let's go ahead

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and bring in Harriet, Yes,
good morning, how are you? And

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we have some views very local viewer
right now because they know I'm doing the

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show, so okay, and we
also want to bring on Terry Batcher.

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Well, good morning, good morning. We have some interesting things we're going

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to talk about today. Of course, I was going to start back with

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the victims. It's the first thing
we're going to kind of hop into after

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the laundry and research. I asked
for the stats for last December, you

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guys, and it showed that the
views on Talk for TV. Now,

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this doesn't include all of the other
forums where they may be watching, like

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my YouTube channel or otherwise, but
we had fourteen eight and eighty five views

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last month on Hit the Road,
Jack Finding the Zodiac. That's exciting because

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that's basically tripled over last year.
Also, I did a filming on a

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documentary this last week for a true
crime segment. I felt a little slimy

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afterwards. I'm not gonna lie.
I accidentally met the talent, which I

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probably shouldn't have, but they clearly
showed no remorse for what they had done.

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They were actually excited they had got
away with the things that they had

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got away with, and they were
acting like brats who had to be wrangled

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in to do their job on this
segment, even though they're the ones that

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went to jail for committing a crime
and now they have a TV series that's

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following her around and keeping up with
her day to day. I guess,

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if you will, they were doing
things such as going to the stationary store

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to determine what type of checks she
purchased and printed to make to do fraud,

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and things of that nature. But
I was pretty okay with breaking apart

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and handwriting until she attempted to forge
a signature that we simulated, and she

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was absolutely lousy at it, but
she felt pretty proud of herself. So

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I'm hoping that they do air that
portion on the segment where I could show

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she was nowhere near as good as
she was. That will reiterate to all

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of these people out here committing these
crimes that getting away with fraud or with

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forgery is not an easy thing.
And in fact, in this particular case,

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the handwriting or the checks that I
did look at that were part of

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her case. She didn't even attempt
to disguise, manipulate, or change her

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handwriting at all, so she was
going to be busted at the second they

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found out that she was passing off
that bad check and then be able to

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actually connect her to all the other
checks because all the handwriting was the same.

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So that's my laundry and research for
this week. We are back to

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victims. Like I had said,
the Zodiac has announced he's not going to

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tell us when he kills. He's
going to leave fake clues either going to

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look like accidents, things of this
nature. So I am putting back in

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some of the information from my anonymous
Oh gosh, let's call her a helper,

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because it's likely that as she sends
me these things and we're putting him

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in chronological order, we may actually
be able to make more connections to what

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is going on. One of the
remains that she sent me was that the

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head was not recovered, so could
this be Dona Lass's body. One or

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more limbs were also not recovered,
and then it states one or both hands

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not recovered and the body parts are
found in Valacido, California. Isn't that

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near Livermore, Nolan, I'm not
really sure where Balasito is, all right,

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she says, two and a half
hours from Plaster. I'm gonna have

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to look, Yes, I can. I'm not sure. The only Valacido

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I have reference with is when I
go to San Jose, I make a

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pass through Valacida Road in Livermore.
That particular road also has a ge nuclear

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power plant on it, So I'm
excited to kind of take a look see

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where this is and see if we're
coming up with something that would also relate

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to Jack. It says some circumstances
of the recovery, partial remains of a

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female were located below a bridge which
had a receding waterline due to the drought.

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The victim had a toe chain around
her waist and a cinder block was

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found nearby. She was four foot
ten inches to five foot five inches was

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the estimate that they gave. But
the reason why this was brought up is

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the toe chain. Since we know
that Jack in sixty nine sixty eight sixty

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nine was driving a tow truck,
so this could have been one of his

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methods of operation and she was dumped
near water, right, Harriot, Yes,

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that's it. Yes, that's Zodiac
territory too, right, Yeah,

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I'm gonna I'm gonna have to take
a look. But as I explained to

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the anonymous person, Jack or the
Zodiac and every happenstance that I seem to

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follow around puts Jack approximately two to
two and a half hours circumference in the

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middle of all of the body dumps
or missing people, so that seems to

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be as outlining comfort zone from wherever
he happens to be at that time.

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So that takes us onto another victim
I was completely unaware of. And this

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as it relates to Donna La So
we know Lass was a nurse at South

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Lake Tahoe Casino and she had moved
into an apartment less than a mile away

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from this next victim, Charles Hollingsworth, just the day before she vanished on

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September sixth of nineteen seventy. Well, on October twenty seventh, nineteen seventy,

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we saw the Halloween card coming out
and saying there were fourteen victims,

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which is two more than the missing
Dawn. A last body, Charles Lorraine

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Hallingsworth, age twenty eight, was
last seen in South Lake Tahoe, California,

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on October twenty sixth of nineteen seventy. Oh, come on, get

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that power point running all right.
So it says Charles was a doctor and

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he shared a practice with his brother
John in nineteen seventy. Their office was

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located at nineteen seventy Highway fifty.
He was leaving the office after an argument

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with a family member. It's unclear
whether the family member was John. He

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never returned, and for the first
couple weeks, John requested that his disappearance

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not be publicized. His car was
found two days later at the abandoned Leviathon

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mine. That's another Zodiac thing is
mines and trail rail yards. Yes,

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Jersey, he says. The Leviathon
mine in Alpine County, about twenty four

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miles southeast of south of Lake Tahoe. Locals have described the area as desolate,

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about six miles from the nearest town. The consensus is that it isn't

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an area one would likely stubble onto. They'd have to know it was there,

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and that seems to be the case
with all of these Zodiac murders to

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begin with, they were all desolate
areas somebody would have to be aware of.

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If that is correct, I find
it kind of odd that the car

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was found so quickly, since the
mine had not been active since the early

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nineteen sixties. The car was found
by a game warden, but because the

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case had not been publicized, he
did not initially realize that the car belonged

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to a missing physician. Many have
speculated that Charles committed suicide. He had

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just gone through a nasty divorce from
his wife Aura. Charles recordedly had a

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nineteen year old girlfriend and Martha at
the time, or a married a pharmacist,

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Ron Rinaldi, who owned Tahoe Valley
Pharmacy just a block down the street

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from Hollingworth's practice. A few months
after his disappearance. Charles had also been

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sued over a car accident in nineteen
sixty nine. However, the same locals

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who described the unlikelihood of Charles just
happening to end up there have also commented

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that it would be difficult place to
hide his own body. Extensive searches were

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conducted in the area, including helicopter
searches, but no sign of him was

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found. Some of suggested that Charles
may have left voluntarily and that there may

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be some connection to the disappearance of
Donna lass, which had occurred less than

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two months earlier. I won't dealt
too much into Donna's case here, except

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for the potential ties between her and
Charles. There is far more detail on

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Donna's case available online. Charles resided
in a lodge at thirty eight to forty

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Pioneer Trail, while Donna lived at
the thirty eight ninety three Pioneer Trail,

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and Charles apparently liked to gamble and
would spend much of his time at the

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Sahara hotel casino, where Donna was
employed as a nurse. The Sahara was

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less than a three minute drive from
their homes on Pioneer Trail. Says in

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an interview with Robert gray Smith,
author of the book Zodiac, a former

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roommate of Donna, said that she
and Donna used to go flying with two

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men who were from Riverside but were
living in San Francisco at the time.

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Charles happened to be a licensed pilot
and he owned a plane. There may

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be an indication that Charles worked at
Letterman Hospital, though I think I read

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information later that stated either he didn't
or something to that effect. But in

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San Francisco at some point, Donna
worked there prior to moving to Lake Tahoe.

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I wasn't certain whether the researcher,
when stating that both worked at Letterman,

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met both Charles and Donna, or
both men that Donna and her roommate

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flew with. It was one of
the two, but it would suggest that

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the pilot was in the medical field, as was Charles. It is,

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however, known that Donna had been
a nurse at Letterman and had left there

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when she moved to South Lake Tahoe
a few months prior to her disappearance.

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Of course, foul play has been
considered as well. Charles's brother has since

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moved to southern California, where he
died in twenty eleven. His former wife

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has also deceased. The posted comments
where Charles Carr was found two days later

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at the abandoned Leviathon Mine in Alpine
County, about twenty four miles southeast of

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Lake Tahoe. Locals have described the
area that's just a repeat. Leviathon Mine

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is a United States super fun site
and an abandoned open pit soul for mine

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located in Alpine County, California.
The mine is located on the eastern slope

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of the Sierra Nevada, about seven
thousand foot elevation, six miles east of

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Markleyville and twenty four miles southeast of
Lake Tahoe. So this kind of gives

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you just a reference in your brain
because we've mapped out what it looked like

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for Donna Lass. She was abducted
down in south Lake Tahoe and her body

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was then found later over off of
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distance that that individual traveled from the
abduction to where the body was dumped or

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maybe even moved. As Harriet says, you said Donald Ass's body was found.

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Her skull. Yes, we just
had breaking news in the last couple

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of weeks. Her school has been
identifying by DNA. Oh it just comes

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in the Oh, yeah, I
know there was a skull, but I

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had not even confirmed. Yes,
the NA has confirmed it. And that

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location is less than about five miles
from Nyak, which is where Jack was

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in sixty eight and sixty nine,
So right right, dumping the body back

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where he was because now he's left. This is one of the things I've

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talked about a lot, is that
Jack will scout and go to a new

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area, commit a crime, go
back to where he's currently living. Would

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then moves to that area, So
now he's not even considered a suspect because

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he's just recently come to the area, commits a few more crimes, and

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then is off the scout the new
area where he commits the new crime,

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comes back, moves out, and
now he's no longer even an available suspect

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because he's no longer in the area. So that is kind of what this

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nayak dropping looks like to me.
Jack was a sneaky It is trained and

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sneaky. That's where have you been? Well? I just moved here,

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Yeah, exactly, I just moved
here with my family. Oh a family

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man? Really? Okay, Well, so now we can see where this

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is where Charles went missing. His
body's found way up here, and his

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car is found down here at the
Levia line. Can you see that where

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it says missing right here? Oh
went missing? Oh? She says,

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I'm here. I don't know where
though, I don't know if we've lost

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her connection or what. I don't
see her where that nayak is Are you

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not? Are you not? Now
I'm no longer missing? Okay? Are

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you? Are you able to see
my cursor? On the screen, Terry,

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as I move it around? Yeah, what's that? I am moving

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it? Can you see it over
here on the picture? Yes? All

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right. So the body of Charles
is found way up here. He went

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missing from the same location as Donna
last down here, but his car is

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found over here at the Leviathan mind, so that whole circle in around the

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lake is similar to that abduction here
and then taken to the very top of

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the lake over off to the left
past n Pass where her skull is found.

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However, we Harriet has shown in
her solves that the body had been

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moved so where it was originally that
it then ended up there, and we

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were able to confirm that Solve was
actually swearing him's solve. But the school

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had been found in nineteen eighty six, long before swearing him solve, and

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he found the solve off of the
reward poster, which really blows my mind

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because unless that cipher was provided by
the Zodiac unbeknownst to the public, and

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they used it in that reward poster, then it would have been impossible for

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him to have ciphered a code out
of that reward. If it was provided

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by the police or by the family
that would have indicated a location where they

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would find the body. In fact, they found her skull. So when

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when did they confirm with the DNA? How recent was that? Just a

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couple of weeks ago? Wow mentioned
when yeh on the details of the remains

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where the head was not recovered and
hands were not recovered. I want to

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remind everybody, and we haven't gotten
there yet, but in the I forty

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five points there were body dumps where
in shallow graves there was a body,

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but then there was also extra sets
of hands or extra sets of bones that

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didn't belong to that body. So
this killer is bisecting individuals and placing different

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body parts in different locations, trying
to make a connection for them. Oh

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interesting me right now. This is
where I asked you, Terry B about

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this search thing. So early on, when I was attempting to do any

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type of search searches on Jack or
JW. Terrence, I could not find

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anything. Nothing came up. It
was almost as if he was a void

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in our Internet system. And we
know that he was active on computers,

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he used cell phones. He was
not the off the grid person unless those

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items that he was using was literally
off the grid. Because they weren't deductable

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by the normal systems. But I
received a message from an individual in regards

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to the search parameters for Litha.
She says, Nannette, I cannot find

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anything on her. Do you happen
to know if she remarried, where she

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located to. I'm speculatively expecutively thinking
she might have been residing in Valeo,

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then Washington. Did Jack take the
kids from her? I didn't have answers

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to these, but I do show
that Jack is in the Santa Clara area

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with Lana and in the San Jose
area, So I don't know if Lana

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or the other kids ended up being
with Jack and she left again. I'm

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just not able to find any information
on her when I run her name,

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Leitha self self. I had posed
it to two separate private investigators who also

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ran a check on the multiple variances
of Jack's name and couldn't even pull a

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single report on him. The third
attempt with a private investigator, he actually

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provided me with a two hundred page
report. All the variances of Jack's name

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did not show that Jack had ever
been arrested for anything much more than a

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MI or it had never been had
never violated the law much more than a

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moving violation or a ticket, so
there was not any list of the three

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times we show in his own paperwork
where he had been arrested, arraigned,

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placed on probation, and otherwise.
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that was his friend Bill, I
think his name was Bill Smith in the

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Placid area. He did well.
The cop beat him up, and then

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the judge let Jack off because the
cop beat him up, but Jack made

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him beat him up. Jack knew
if he could get the cop to harass

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him, then he would be let
off his charges. Right now, I

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want to use those two words together
frequently, right, I said that I

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know that Lana, the daughter from
South Lake Tahoe, is going to school

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in Santa Clara and sent mail to
Flova from there, so I would assume

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Litho was there as well, because
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he met Dennis, the kids were
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So I'm looking at these pictures of
Lana in South Lake Tahoe during Christmas

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with Jack, and this is just
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Nora. So they're already grown at
this point, Harriet has This was her

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responding that Harriet has connections with Dennis's
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is his name? Could she ask
him? I did reach out to Charles

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an attempt to ask, but I
did not receive any information in regards to

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it. Uh. He also she
also says, if my theory is correct,

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she has strong ties to JFK and
LBJ, either by marriage or significant

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other. I said, I wouldn't
doubt it. I reached out to him

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about the recent identification on Donna Lass. I'll check to see if he's responded,

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but he hasn't. Jack ragged about
having a wedding invitation to lbj's marriage

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to his wife and hunted on his
land. So there's definitely got to be

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a connection, and maybe that connection
is in fact through Letha, I don't

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know. She goes on to say
actually that there there there are people out

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there on podcasts that are leading an
attack on me and Jack. They gave

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her a window to an opportunity to
put Jack in the audience site. She

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said, what is even better is
how you presented Voight in the video,

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and it was tactfully done. The
guy ned now We're going to talk about

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Ned here in a second. But
the guy Ned that did the video,

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he has done three videos now debunking
Jack. Ned is one of Void's puppets.

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Oh well, I have all of
them blocked on Facebook, so they

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cannot take down my posts on JT. And one or the other puppets slams

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on Jack. I throw up Jack
Sertz your video. I see it is

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effective with newcomers commenting. She's really
enjoying that. She thinks that she found

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a picture of Letha. She's commenting
on the mouth and how consistent that is

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with Letha's mouth, though she won't
show me the entire picture because she wants

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to protect this person's privacy. She
says, it's Leita Letha. The connection,

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the teeth, lips are the same. I can't divulge much as this

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gal connected living is a victim herself
to all of this. I don't want

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to deepen her. I might be
an ass, but I'm not that much

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of an ass to hurt her.
I don't have a horse in this race.

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So yes, even in the two
hundred page report, it does not

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show Litha, it does not show
Jack's children. So I find all of

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this to be very surprising because it
lists almost as if the only family Jack

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has ever had is Dennis and his
family. We're not seeing anything about these

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individuals. Well, you're definitely protecting
some gnolls, as you were talking about,

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because you know Jack had a record, but then this year investigator didn't

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find that. Jack was saying that
Liita's Cia Liita. So she's going to

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be quite protected, you know that
makes sense. I think she's Yeah,

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I think she's quite honorable too in
her intentions, is what she did for

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her work. But so I'm not
negating anything because and this this person is

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also saying it's Litha. When I
see the decoded missives, the H is

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often missing, So whoever he's talking
to is saying Litha also, so maybe

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they misspelled her name on the marriage
certificate we have and we've been looking for

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the wrong name. It is Elie
a Tha. But whoever, no I

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know, Yeah, gotcha, gotcha? Now that is this NED guy.

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She's been having this. So she's
warning me now that this NED guy on

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his podcast is doing his best to
tear down anybody who is providing good information.

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He gets them on their show.
He almost gives them a heart attack

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or a stroke with all his bullying, and then the person ultimate leaves his

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show ultimately leaves his show. It
tears down everything they have on the Zodiac

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because they're so sickened by the way
they were treated by this guy. So

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she gives me this heads up,
but then I start receiving these messages from

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her where she says that this man
is a very very good hacker. He's

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out of the Philippines. He is
actually hacked into her laptops, into her

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emails. He has embedded a folder
in her laptop where he is just taking

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information and he was actually producing emails
that she had with me that she didn't

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herself produce on the internet. So
it kind of threw me off a little

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bit. And what I didn't pay
attention to is just a couple of days

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before this happened, I received a
request from ned Dhan to be a guest

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on my show. Now I would
I don't have a problem with him coming

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on. What's that? But would
I wouldn't want to? Well, and

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that's what I was going to talk
with one about, because clearly, if

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I let this man into my system
in any way, shape or form,

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then he can I think hack in
manipulate and start controlling the information that I

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have, where it's going and where
it ends up. If this is the

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truth, I don't know it to
be the truth. I reached out and

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called him yesterday on a couple of
his phone numbers, but I didn't get

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it. I didn't get any answer, so I kind of left that one

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in the box. But yeah,
at this point, if they are doing

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nothing but bashing good work, I
don't need any part of that. If

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you want to discuss the handwriting with
me, that would be the only reason

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I would have you on this show
with me. Otherwise you have nothing to

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say about me. You cannot discount
the information I'm putting out about Jack.

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I have proof about who he is
and where he is, so you can't

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discount or debunk that. If you
want to have a real conversation about the

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handwriting, I'd be down for it. But again, I'm a little scared

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if you're a hacker and you're breaking
into people's things. She said she's going

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to report it to IC three,
which is some type of Internet complaint department

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with the FBI, and I hope
she does, because if it is truly

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found to be him, then he
will be in trouble for his actions.

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Telling it to the hand. I
don't know if that's going to work for

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her, but that one I I
don't either. Well now, she also

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sent me a personal ad which I
thought was extremely interesting. So I don't

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have a date as to when it
happened, but it's obviously clear that they

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are communicating through the personal ads again, just like the CIA did, just

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like the MOB did, just like
anybody who was doing underhanded and dirty things,

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or the people who use crigs list
today right, personal ads says Zodiac,

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Please send me your diary and other
bio biographical information. Give yourself up

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to me, and I will assist
in legal and medical help. We'll write

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novel on your life and series of
articles for widespread publication. Please get in

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touch for everyone's sake. Dale Huffman, reporter, Dayton Daily News. And

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that's out of a Ohio So if
Harriet was here, she would be having

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a whole lot of things to say
about Ohio, because we've already showed Buenovich

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letter in Ohio, we've shown other
connections to Ohio. It goes on to

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say lost mail six foot one,
blonde hair, blue eyes, groovy looking

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answers to the name of Tom Campbell
last scene in kya parking lot. If

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found, tell him Libra's back woo, and now we've got the Libra connection

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going on. Next one says not
responsible for debts of Dela Ray Spencer as

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as of ten twenty sixty nine,
Robert M. Spencer. That's probably the

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proper use of the personal ads,
because you're you're told that if you want

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a divorce from someone you can't find, if you're trying to get child custody

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from a parent you can't locate,
that, you have to publish it in

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the newspaper for three weeks, and
if that publication falls on deaf years and

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no one makes contact, you're automatically
granted whatever it is that you're asking for.

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That goes on to say, Carol, Kate, Wendy Kim, the

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number you're really after is three three
four zero zero zero zero. She brought

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this up because she thinks this actually
replies to our most latest victims, like

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Wendy Allen or you know the victims
on this one, right, Harriet,

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Carol Hilburn, Uh yeah, Kim, uh yeah Hillburn, Kim, Lindy

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Allen, Oh my God when you
find out about them. Okay, but

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yeah, so you got kim Lynn. What year is this? I'm not

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sure what the year is. I
wasn't I wasn't told when this was produced.

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But this looks to me to be
back during the other I mean,

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the image is rather old and looks
to be along with the other personal ads

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we saw back earlier on as of
ten twenty sixty nine. It kind of

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gives you an idea of the era, doesn't it. Yes, yes it

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does. It does map that out
for us very close. Also, it

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says Bobby Magic needs no wand to
cast his spell. I know Libra check

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page eight twenty three. Callumn one
in San Francisco, Yellow Pages, Jack,

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we have a message, Jack have
news. Call MG. Thank you

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Saint Jude FGM. And she believes
that the FGM is for Frank Manally,

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but I don't know what his middle
name is to say that's true, that

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is just her assertion. We also
sign right. I'm telling you sometimes some

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of the stuff that pops up is
absolutely awesome, but it's definitely showing that

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connection between libras and and again who
posted that article in the newspaper that we

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covered, Call Libra at that number, which is kind of consistent. I

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think if we go back, I
think somebody was looking up the three three

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four zero zero zero and they located
the area was in. I just have

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to go back and check that out. It may have been the Livermore area.

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One quick thing, I wonder how
they went about enlarging the word spencer

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and that one about the not responsible
for deaths. That was something that was

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something that they did back in the
day to take up space. Okay,

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yeah, so that that we'll talk
about it later. Sometimes right, it's

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like they're they're n is not the
word spencer being that particular Dallas communication spencer.

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That's what I thought. That's what
I thought. The Dallas can be

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Vation. It could be Howard or
Spencer or Spencer. I got another one

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for you. I got another one
for you about this gal that was beheaded

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in Shakay. That's the town I
came from not too long ago, a

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few years ago, by a guy
her name was America to lose everybody again.

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Her name was America Fair. Her
name was America Fair. And the

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message is America they are beheaded.
I mean, if you want to look

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at it that way. But and
and the picture of the my pillow guy

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was in the window on the property
of where her body was beheaded at.

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He did this right, right,
Well, I have to I have to

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move on with this stuff that brings
us. Actually, so so if this

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article, like you were saying,
Terry B as of ten twenty, and

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it might be that this is a
ten twenty article, so he knew to

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put that in the article because as
of the date that he publishes it,

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he is no longer responsible for this
person. We could then assume that this

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occurred in October of nineteen sixty nine, and so I'm sorry. Of nineteen

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yeah sixty nine, we now see
November thirteenth, nineteen seventy Carol Beth Hilburn,

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Santa Rosa resident, dumped in Sacramento, California, on Ascott Avenue.

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She was also a nurse. Her
throat was cut. She was so badly

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beaten that it required dental records to
identify her. She was drugged through weeds

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and thrown near a wire fence face
up. She was said to have accompanied

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the next victim on November thirteenth,
nineteen seventy, to a bar called Zodiac

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in West Capitol Avenue. That's putting
him back in Sacramento. I told everybody,

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we watched the move through Fairfield back
into Sacramento and on its way up

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to South Lake Tahoe. And here's
just another indication of Sacramento being smack dab

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in the middle of it. It
says where this is where Dee actually dropped

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Carol off. They were said to
be in Sacramento to meet some friends who

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were part of a motorcycle gang.
We also know at this point in time

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that Jack had a motorcycle that was
Endors' name, but Jack owned it for

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all intentsive purposes. And we also
see in the nineteen seventy four police report

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in Mount Aukham for Danny Reynolds stealing
that motorcycle he believed to be his mom's.

406
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:26.960
Now the murder map bets counts Sacramento
murder or I don't know if the

407
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.799
count is as a Sacramento murder or
a Santa Rosa murder, but even better,

408
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.599
a transition from the Santa Rosa to
Sacramento area. So it says it

409
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.799
turns out that Hilburn's case is being
investigated by Sacramento Police Department, not the

410
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:42.839
County Sheriffs. Her body was discovered
in an unincorporated area of the county,

411
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:47.200
but she was last seen alive within
the city limits. I spoke to the

412
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.880
detective sergeant in this case and he
presented my theory about Philip Thompson. He

413
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.200
agreed that Thompson looked like a great
a good candidate based on circumstantial evidence.

414
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.599
It turns out that there were biological
samples found on her body, and the

415
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:04.200
DNA profile from them were run through
COTIS in two thousand and three with no

416
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.839
hits. Sack PD also specifically compared
the samples to Thompson, again with no

417
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:13.279
match. Out of all the Sacramento
murders nineteen seventy seventy one, I really

418
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.480
thought that Hilbert had the best chance
of tying Thompson, but it does not

419
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:19.279
appear to be the case. Now. What I want to bring up about

420
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:23.279
that is that when we attempted to
tell the FBI that they should run Jack's

421
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:28.519
DNA through COTIS, they acted as
though they couldn't do that because Jack wasn't

422
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.240
a criminal, so they couldn't enter
him into a criminal system. When we

423
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:37.559
have a lot of proof, including
probation and payments for that probation. Written

424
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:42.599
in Jackson and writing that establishes not
that he was charged three separate times,

425
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.200
one of them with an attempted murder
with a deadly weapon. You know,

426
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:51.960
this man is a criminal. His
information should have been able to be loaded

427
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.079
into COTIS to see if we could
make matches to some of these crimes.

428
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:59.039
You know what. Unfortunately cotis is
kind of a joke as it stands.

429
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:07.640
But LINGO that later on on November
fourteenth, nineteen seventy d Carol Hilbert's friend,

430
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.000
the one that just dropped her off, was last seen at four am

431
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:15.200
at the Zodiac bar on West Capitol
Avenue, Sacramento, California. She was

432
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:20.160
found with her panties pulled down around
one knee. I don't have information as

433
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.240
to where she was found, but
she was only wearing one sweded boot.

434
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:28.559
So either the Freeway or the Atlanta, Georgia killer. I found that they

435
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.519
were missing clothing. Clothing was not
located nearby, and I also think there's

436
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:37.480
a possibility that some of the clothing
that has been taken from some victims was

437
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.240
also placed at another victim's site,
so they then attribute that clothing to that

438
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:46.920
individual rather than back to the crime
in another area. And this one does

439
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:52.039
show on the murder map for bets. This gets us into Harriet's solve in

440
00:33:52.079 --> 00:34:00.200
regards to them, Are you with
us, Harriet not at the moment like

441
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:04.559
a lost her. Well, I'm
gonna try. You go to try to

442
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.359
hang in here with me, Harriet, because this we're getting to your solve.

443
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:14.000
I'm here, okay, yeah,
don't move. I think the weather

444
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.800
is the weather must be causing problems. We may get snow in a couple

445
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:24.239
of days, so that's by this. Let's get this all right. Let

446
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:30.280
me let me intro it. I
haven't talked about it yet. This message

447
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:35.400
was handled by the San Jose Police
Department, which you're cutting. I'm not,

448
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:40.000
so let me finish what I'm doing. Which Jack has returned to this

449
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:45.519
area by nineteen sixty nine, and
it says they're requesting the message. They're

450
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:50.800
requesting the message. I want everybody
to understand this not a cipher to be

451
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:55.199
deciphered, which would indicate that messages
are being relayed in the communications as suggested

452
00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.280
by Harritt and swearing them. This
literally says and closed here with for the

453
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.559
FBI laboratory are two copies of a
letter received. It doesn't tell me by

454
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.639
who at the San Jose PD,
San Jose, California on this date.

455
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:13.880
As noted, the message reads,
but then it doesn't actually tell us what

456
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:19.000
this message says. It says the
laboratories requested to have the cryptogram section attempt

457
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:23.440
to immediately decipher the message and furnish
the results to the San Francisco office for

458
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:29.000
the information of the Bureau and Sacramento. After a cursory analysis, officers of

459
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.519
the San Jose, California PD believe
the widow in the message may be missus

460
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.960
and it doesn't say San Jose,
California. San Jose PD instituting twenty four

461
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:44.079
hour surveillance on this person. So
this also means that law enforcement knows they

462
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.559
are not dealing, which is some
ordinary individual that is writing letters to make

463
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:52.239
claims of murders. But this person
is up to par on embedding a message

464
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.800
within a message and not just using
ciphers or codes. But the messages themselves

465
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:01.800
are indeed coded messages. That brings
us to the next one, which is

466
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:06.960
the QC three to three. I've
not seen this letter. Do you know

467
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:14.400
what this letter is from? Harriet? I can't hardly hear you. It

468
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:19.039
says It says copy of handwritten note
beginning there is no doubt I will do

469
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:23.760
my thing, and ending with the
symbol. I went through everything all the

470
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:29.440
way up to November sixty nine,
and I could not find anything where it

471
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:32.719
starts the letter as there is there's
no doubt. The only one I could

472
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:38.519
find is the the dragon card,
and he says, I'm so lonely I

473
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:42.880
could do it. I think you've
got a gift there. You got a

474
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:49.480
special gift there. Then later quick
well, I I found this accidentally.

475
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:53.440
I was looking for the list of
I had the request from my friends to

476
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:59.639
start on the friend's Valley murders,
and I found this. Let's just say

477
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:05.719
they hate Dennis Koffman dot com so
and I saw this, and I said,

478
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.880
I could decode this in about fifteen
minutes because I recognize things that I

479
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:16.880
see later on with dB Cooper communications
so well. But there's no community,

480
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:22.679
there's no communication. It says the
cipher text portion, but it's not indicating

481
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.840
to us what cipher tech text portion. So clearly there was a cipher included

482
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.280
in this in which they were That's
why I'm saying this is relayed through the

483
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:39.079
FBI. And I coded eazy there
part of a page Alcoho works right.

484
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:45.000
It says the ciphertext portion of QC
three three is not readable using previously recovered

485
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:52.159
key. It's brevity precludes further cryptonolic
examination at this time. The furnished interpretations

486
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:58.800
which almost tell whether I can hear
you, I can hear you. The

487
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:07.159
furnished interpretation of minus zodiac sign sixty
two zodiac sign minus as representing sixteen twenty

488
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:13.719
can be neither proved nor disproved analytically. The equal between November and eight could

489
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:17.800
represent the number two. Such interpretation
would be based on inferences drawn from the

490
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.599
date of the postmark, not from
cryptanalyic examination. And then that leads us

491
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:30.480
into Harriet solve, where you indicated
that the this was a message being relayed

492
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:35.199
between the FBI. That says,
the note is handwritten, so the type

493
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:38.639
negative plus I'm not sure if that's
supposed to be a zodiac sign or a

494
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:45.960
plus is actually a negative plus BZ
plus negative, as I've done many of

495
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:50.280
Jack's cryptic messages where his two looks
like a Z and his six is a

496
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.639
B. So she said, keep
checking back either way. Her solve to

497
00:38:53.679 --> 00:39:01.679
this particular relay between the FBI has
worked out to Hilburn at Marie Antsey nine

498
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:08.880
four one three three drag queen ex
husband buttons and she quotes in quotes,

499
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:16.119
puts I'm sorry, in parentheses,
puts payote buttons rural Lower Lake Bureau of

500
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:22.920
Land Management, off highway vehicle,
and then in parentheses again jeep trail.

501
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:34.360
Carol Beth Hilburn is going to meet
Zodiac and die signed Jack wow and right

502
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.760
she yeah, she's not with us. So now that the relay to the

503
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:44.840
FBI is November twenty fourth, but
Carol Beth Hilburn dies on November thirteenth,

504
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:50.039
So I don't know if this is
a is going to meet would be an

505
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.000
indication that it's going to happen versus
it already has. There she is,

506
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:05.519
I know there's something herriot your vehicle
about two feet in either direction, and

507
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:10.119
there might be surprised. Right,
that's it. My experience has been if

508
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:15.679
you're getting a week saying or of
course they can move. Yes, the

509
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.480
weather is really bad. There's a
huge storm I guess going on the Midwest

510
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:23.119
coast. And of course she's in
an area where it's heavy snow during this

511
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:28.320
time of year, so she again
reception. It might be able to mitigate

512
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.239
that by moving the where she's at
just slightly two feet in either direction,

513
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:36.719
any direction. She says, I'm
here again at ten forty two, but

514
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.920
that obviously was just her right now, trying to come back. Oh we're

515
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.119
doing that, just oh yeah,
more okay, because I was going to

516
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:47.639
say that she's made some these are
some circuitous connections that she's made about here,

517
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:53.800
are all right? We wanted you
to explain to us the solve married

518
00:40:54.000 --> 00:41:07.840
Hilburn at Marie Ansey. I think
I just locked everybody again. Okay,

519
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:22.039
I found go ang reed. He's
apparently she's apparently friends with the ex husband

520
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:29.519
Marie Anstey, who is also a
lover of Darlene Farren. So Darlene Farren

521
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:37.920
is the enemy this time. Uh
and then the peote buttons and so he

522
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:47.440
knows that they're meeting or broke things. Oh oh oh, what's you're on

523
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:52.920
your cell phone? That might help, right, Just if we got audio

524
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.840
from a comment on it hereod right, if we could get her, Yeah,

525
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.360
moving your vic all one foot or
two feet different from where you're at.

526
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:07.679
I don't think she can hear us
right now. That's something you can

527
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:13.920
telling you've got a marginal FM signal
on your radio on your car. As

528
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:17.800
you're moving your car, there's a
null and voids where you'll get the strong

529
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:22.360
signal and the weak signal, and
if you move your vehicle you'll detect that.

530
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:24.840
Gosh, your lost her again.
All right, let me finish on

531
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:30.480
with this. So this is her
explanation in the book. It's a prediction

532
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.920
of zodiac target Carol Beth Hilburn will
die. I've done other FBI zodiac Eradi

533
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.800
coodes. So check out the blogs
and get the books. The world according

534
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:45.840
to Jack Terrence and again all right, get quick. I know, I

535
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.880
know, okay, don't don't waste
your explaining the signal. Tell us about

536
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:59.119
this, okay. He's saying that
the married Hilburn eats a lot of the

537
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.920
Marie aunts. They the zip the
nine four one three three, that's the

538
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.719
zip go to Belli and all these
people in that area. Uh. And

539
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:14.880
then he's saying that that's a Greg
Queen ex husband who is probably hanging out

540
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:27.360
with Uh let's see the pern oh
send you guys again. Was that so

541
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:35.840
I'm trying to say that twenty zodiac
and die and he's and this is planned

542
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:43.480
a year in advance. Wow,
but this this communication is in seventy Oh

543
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.400
no, it's November sixty nine year. That is a year in advice.

544
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:50.320
That's a year in advance. Holy
cred I read that backwards, all right.

545
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:53.079
So this is a prediction, just
as we've seen and just as the

546
00:43:53.159 --> 00:44:00.239
FBI stated that they knew that that
zodiac was predicting his upcoming crimes. Yeah,

547
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:05.000
did you want to advance? Did
you want to read this? Did

548
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.920
you want to read this, Harriet? Did you want to read this?

549
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:13.559
Excerpt from your book? I can
barely hear you. So he's just saying

550
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.760
that cease to be a victim in
advance, that this is planned a year

551
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:24.920
in advance. Yep, ab operate
that way, these associates operate that way,

552
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:30.719
more advance of something. My signal
is good. It's saying that my

553
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:35.719
fad but my my signal is good. It's the weather, okay, And

554
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:37.920
I am in chrome. I do
like I do. Like what you had

555
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:44.159
to say here was it's a prediction
of zodiac target Carol Beth Hilburn will die.

556
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.960
I've done other FBI zodiac Eradi Coode. So check out the blogs and

557
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.679
get the books the world, according
to Jack Terrence and dB Cooper solved now

558
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.679
for sale on lulu dot com and
soon to be all over the place online.

559
00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:00.880
I've seen other cryptic messages where one
had to spell out the symbols such

560
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:05.280
as the exclamation mark and eight or
eight, so this helped fill in the

561
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.840
gaps. The lot number CR one
three four three nine kJ was important to

562
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.719
yield Jack's and the zip code,
and that dash in it could be used

563
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:19.119
as hyphen Jack, but I didn't
see it as necessary. The message is

564
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.320
still the same yet. The FBI
during Nixon era was in on the Zodiac

565
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:27.400
cases, and sadly for many reasons, especially if they were somehow connected to

566
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:32.280
Haffa via Darlene Farren and others they
died. Hope this brings closure to Hilburn

567
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:37.519
mystery. Jack says Marie ANSI's ex
husband was a drag queen. Oh and

568
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.400
by the way, I got lots
more of Dennis Kaufman Zodiac Jack files and

569
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:45.960
there's info on Darlene Farren San Francisco
contacts. We'll post more on this at

570
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:51.599
a later time, but here is
Jack saying about a fisherman's wharf Broadway Russian

571
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:55.920
Hill zip code that did have drag
queen bars and entertainment back then circa nineteen

572
00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:00.440
sixties. That said, here's another
reason why law enforcement needs to check the

573
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:07.000
Lower Lake North O h V jeep
trail area with cadaverdis plugs. Okay,

574
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.480
I'm gonna take these off. I
don't know you were you were? It

575
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:15.039
was your you were like it was
the whole Internet system that was dragging down,

576
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.920
not just your audio. It was
like you were fading in and out.

577
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.000
So that brings me to the clues
that we talked about everybody, clues

578
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.960
left behind by the Zodiac killer confirmed
in this article. We can see that.

579
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:31.039
It says cops, sure clues will
snag him, and I love their

580
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:40.760
their there. What's that him?
Right? It says detective. It says

581
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:45.039
the detective in charge of the man
hunt for the Zodiac killer, who now

582
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:50.599
boasts he is slain seven persons,
said yesterday I consider him to be legally

583
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:54.679
sane. Chief of the Inspectors Martin
Leeu made the statement at a at a

584
00:46:54.679 --> 00:47:00.199
morning press conference on the Zodiac case
held at San Francisco's Hall of Justice.

585
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.960
He Zodiac knows right from wrong.
He knows that what he has been doing

586
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.760
is forbidden. He knows the law
is after him, Lee said, Catching

587
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:12.800
Zodiac. Lee said is only a
matter of time. Wow, that's a

588
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:16.119
little presumptuous. Our knowledge of this
man is increasing. I am confident we

589
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:22.880
will get him, Lee said.
Clues is headline through physical clues Zodiac has

590
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:29.119
clumsily left behind at crime scenes and
bits and pieces of information about himself he

591
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:35.440
has inadvertently revealed to the in the
letters sent to the chronicle. Police feel

592
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:45.320
so we now have live that purportedly
on purpose. Absolutely, the watch,

593
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:50.000
the watch at Sherry Joe Bates,
that wasn't his. If they thought they

594
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:52.079
were going to locate that to be
him, they were dead wrong. That

595
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:59.519
was probably the Swindles watch. Yess
yes, And I said, exactly what

596
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:02.320
you said. And clues clumsily left
behind by the Zodiac killer, I said,

597
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:07.440
laugh out loud. And they're close
to catching them. Clumsily left behind

598
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.920
would not be my consensus. Strategically
pre planned and with purpose, these clues

599
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.239
have been left behind. Stop looking
for them to be the Zodiacs, and

600
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:19.039
start looking to cross connect those clues
to other crimes to figure out their origin.

601
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:23.840
I got a question for Nolan.
Okay, what's similar to a premonition?

602
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:30.280
What's the legal term for in legality, is that somebody you can demonstrate

603
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:37.719
that they had advanced knowledge of a
crime. Legally speaking, there's a special

604
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:43.880
term for it. And I had
a first It's not normally a premonition,

605
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:46.440
but not right off the top of
my head, you know what I'm talking

606
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about. It's a specific word meditated. I've been looking for it too,

607
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meditated too, but it's not premedit. It shows that it's premeditated, but

608
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it's a specific terms that says the
person in question pre met was involved in

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the premeditation of a crime. It's
not premeditated, but it's a specific term.

610
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It's one of those terms that you
know if you were a offense attorney.

611
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Well, and this is the FBI
used that word that you're talking about

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right now, and I haven't been
able to bring that one back to the

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forefront of my mind. They didn't
call it premeditated. They didn't they called

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it. They used it as a
different word. But it was as if

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he was, uh, foretelling of
the future crime that's going to come.

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And there's a specific word for that. And I can't recall what it was,

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but you were absolutely right that at
the end. That puts us at

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the end of our show. You
guys, I'm sorry that the guy was

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involved. That's all right, that
specific right. He knew, the FBI,

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he knew. Thank you everybody for
being here. I hope you have

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a wonderful weekend and we will be
back with more victims and more whereabouts of

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Jack next week. Have a right
weekend. Thank you, you guys,

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Thank you a