Aug. 16, 2024

Murders Begin to Ramp Up and Jack’s Whereabouts Cont.

Murders Begin to Ramp Up and Jack’s Whereabouts Cont.

Continuing the murders that ramp up, but none of them overlap so as to make it impossible for a serial killer to be on the move. Murders pop up in Minnesota where Jack and the family will be moving to in the next year. We see I-45 Killer in Texas,...

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Continuing the murders that ramp up, but none of them overlap so as to make it impossible for a serial killer to be on the move. Murders pop up in Minnesota where Jack and the family will be moving to in the next year. We see I-45 Killer in Texas, another similar murder in Albany, New York, and the end of California murders when Jack Tarrance is not residing here. Jack is still having issues with his Worker’s Comp, so we see his presence through medical reports in California when murders occur.

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Good morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today, Harriet Souchet.

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Good morning, everybody.

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Good morning. How's fire Country going out there?

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It's actually like my feral farm cat that I'm now

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taking care of has predicted, we got a slight early fall,

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So instead of one hundred and ten during the day,

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it's ninety two during the day.

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That's a lot better, right, It is feeling much nicer

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out there. I have somebody getting ready to cut trees

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around my house today for me, and I hope we

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don't hear him in the middle of the podcast, but

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I'm excited to get some early early fall work done.

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I want to catch everybody up. I spoke last week

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in regards to the wrongful conviction case that I've been

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working on with the gentleman whose DNA seems to have

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been printed at the scene of the crime. And I

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love that this falls right on into you know, murder

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and chaos and all the things that we see the

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cops will do to implicate somebody who wasn't even part

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of it. But he sent me an additional letter because

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I wrote back to his last one where he said

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he has completed a rid of habeas corpus, requesting that

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his case be looked at again due to actual innocence.

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And in his new letter he sent back to me,

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he says, Hi, it's Friday afternoon, eight nine, twenty twenty four.

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I will mail this letter to you with first outgoing

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mail on SAT. Sunday night, eight eleven, twenty twenty four.

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I received your seven thirty, twenty twenty four letter. Thank

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you so much. I really appreciate it. In a couple

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of days, I will write you more about how the

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prosecutor falsified evidence, withheld exculpatory evidence, and knowingly presented perjured

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testimony at trial. Oh gosh, you guys, I have goosebumpsol

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over my body. Just because we know that Jack admitted

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to Dennis that there were people who had taken the

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rap for his crimes. And we're gonna soon talk about

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I'm not sure where I'll slow andri Lee Lucas and

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his ability with the Texas Rangers to attempt to close

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two more than two hundred murders across the United States

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on one person. So if they thought, if the Rangers

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thought that it was possible to close all these cases

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on one person, then it isn't Isn't it plausible allowed

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other people to take the rap for crimes they didn't commit.

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We're going to actually get into and talk about DiAngelo today,

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I think if we make it far enough into the presentation,

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but one more piece of great news. Let me see

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if I can hold this up here. Oop, oop, there

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we go. This is my new plaque I just received

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from the Marquees. Who's Who International, So It's Worldwide Publications

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Board certifies that Nannette M. Bartow, CQDE has hereby been

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approved as a subject of biographical record in Who's Who

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in America. Inclusion in which is limited to individual.

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Let me finish inclusion in which I know, inclusion in

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which is limited to individuals who possess professional integrity, demonstrate

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outstanding achievement in their respective fields, and have made innumerable.

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Contributions to society as a whole. That is app I

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got goosebumps again. It's goosebump Day.

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Yay, thank you.

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I was very excited myself. Now, of course I paid

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for that expensive plaque, because even if they recognize you,

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you have to you have to pay to be a member.

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But I am now a lifetime member, so I'm golden.

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Last week we left off reading parts of Jack's work

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comp I think it was doctor Uh, one of the

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doctors had evaluated him for work comp and at this

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point in time, I believe he is actually taking a

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work comp case against both Tahoe City Lenin and against

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Cameron Parkshell. So we know he's still in the Camera

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Park area because uh, this is where this puticular letter

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is discussing what he's up to. So let's finish off

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with his past medical history. The patient has no allergies,

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he takes no medication, past surgical procedures in addition to

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the lumbar lamonacdom a history of a fracture of the

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right four foot. So did you ever know he fractured

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his foot.

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All I know is I don't think Dennis talked about that,

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but he had problems with that foot because he was

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one inch or two inches maybe shorter on one side.

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So well, we're going to get into that.

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This page actually covers this, which I thought was interesting

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because I think in the Santa Rosa murders, albeit you

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believe that somebody else else committed the Santa Rosa hitchhiking murders.

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Correct, Oh, well, I keep on finding it. It's always yeah,

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it's not Jack Norlan. His crew was linked. They got

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into they got the information they were so yeah, keep

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going thinking it's a money dower.

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They I think in one of the body dumps over

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the side of the freeway, they had indicated they believed

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that the suspect had slipped and fell, right, So that was.

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That's Kenny Narlow, Detective Kenny Narlow.

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He slipped and fell.

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Yes, he's the one that slipped and fell.

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Yes, So let me go on with this, let me

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finish this report and we'll get into the rest of that.

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It says he also so he has a fracture of

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the right forefoot at some point in time. But it

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doesn't state the date. It says. He also gives US

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Navy and Air Force from nineteen forty two to nineteen

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fifty five. He states there were no service connected injuries.

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He has had several hospital missions for traction before his

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lumbar laminectomy. He was also admitted to the hospital in

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nineteen fifty six for peptic ulcers. Eh go figure, drugs

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will do some mean things to you. He gives a

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history of blood poisoning of a finger of the left hand.

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He denies diabetes, melitis, tuberculosis, thyroid disease, high blood pressure,

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heart lung, gigu or other bone and joint diseases or abnormalities.

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In family history, it says the patient denies familial illnesses.

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Social history. The patient smokes one and one half packs

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of cigarettes per day. He drinks very little. That's funny

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because we know that he didn't go to Alcoholics Anonymous

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until nineteen eighty, right.

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Yeah, something like that. He had to do something to

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break that spell. I think it says he is by

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the eighties. He's trying to break the MKL for spell.

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Gotcha. It says he is married and lives with his wife.

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Physical examination, the patient points to the mid left buttock

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and the lumberosacral junction as the location of his pain.

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He states the pain travels to the left heel. During stance,

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the patient stood with a left list, so basically, I'm

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thinking his gait was off. However, a range of motion,

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so did they ever indicate which leg the zodiac limpt on?

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No, it was just the lumbering gate. Oh god, I

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think it's theft left side lumber because they saw him

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from behind lumbering gait from behind.

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So gotcha. So this all seems to be even though

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he fractured foot on the right foot is it seems

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to be a left issue with his back, so he

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states the pain. He states the pain travels to the

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left hill. During stance, the patient stood with a left list. However,

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a range of motion revealed that there was no paraspinosis

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muscle spasm to account for this stance, so is he

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faking it the left sacrile tenderness? He forward flexed with

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fingertips only to the knee level. His final extension was

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ten degrees right and left bending thirty degrees right and left,

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rotation forty five degrees. Gross motor testing was normal in

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the lower extremities thigh circumference four inch above the adductor

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to tub. Tubercles were eighteen and three eights inch on

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the right, eighteen and one quarter on the left, so

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we do have a shorter left side than right side.

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Calves were fifteen and five eighths inch. Bilaterally, leg lengths

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were equal at thirty five inches, so he doesn't have

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a shorter leg, he just has a gate that's off.

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Gate examination was normal, though deep tendon reflexes were normal throughout.

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During straight leg raising in the sitting position, the patient

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leaned back on the table and had no back pain

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during straight leg raising. Pinprick testing was normal in the

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lower extremities. In the supine position, right straight leg raising

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was sixty degrees while left straight leg raising was four

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five degrees. For a pulling sensation behind the knees, last

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Seague's maneuvers were negative. There was full hip and neflexion. Bilaterally,

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the patient sat on the examining table with the knees

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extended and complained of a pulling feeling behind the left knee.

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X rays films of the thoracic spine obtained today revealed

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degenerative changes as evidenced by spurring of vertebral bodies at

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most levels. So that kind of gives us an idea

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of what he is complaining about to the doctor, what

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the doctor was able to substantiate. Albeit, I've been through

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these tests and they weren't able to determine my pain

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by asking me to sit there and do things. I mean,

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I'm typically in pain when I'm up working and doing things,

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not necessarily when I'm sitting on a table lifting my legs.

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So very interesting.

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That most.

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Well always knows when I hear all of this. It's

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almost as if they're trying to find a way to

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get a good cover for Jack, you know, because he's

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in the intel community. So I think he was the

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pain of stuff was real, but this would be the

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perfect way to find a cover for him.

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Well, And it seems to me by the way I

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read the report, is that the doctors don't necessarily believe

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that any of his injuries are from what he states

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they're from. So the fact that, and I'm sure that

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being a doctor you get a sense of when people

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are telling you the truth and when they're not. And

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like I said, even if the tests didn't establish the

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amount of pain, that Jack was in. They're looking at

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him saying they don't believe he's telling the truth about

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his abilities, what he's been up to in his activities.

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So it kind of makes me wonder if they're not

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really giving him a cover so much as they're trying

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to show that whatever he has his injuries was not

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something that occurred on the.

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Job, the official job.

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So right, right, right, right right.

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When I think about that too, it didn't happen when

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he jumped out the plane, right?

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What denomination stamp? Did you say that they were that

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he was wanting.

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A denomination? Oh? Okay, that's the two cent Washington nineteen

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oh eight series. I mean, do you really want to

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go over that again? Because it's no, no, no, no,

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actually yeah, hold on.

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I actually I don't know how this happens to me,

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but I luck out and information comes my way. I'm

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going to be reviewing and examining a letter from nineteen fifteen,

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and guess what stamp is on it?

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The Washington two cent nineteen oh eight series. She met

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perforations SNENNI, Oh, I know it all by heart. I've

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seen it so many times. I got a freaking book

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out of that.

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And you know, what's crazy is that is that evidently

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the person that I'm going to be looking at is

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of Russian and Jewish descent, and he came here to

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America and was part of the communist movement. So it's

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going to be extremely interesting to actively examine this letter

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to authenticate it from that timeframe. But I was told

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yesterday that the envelope that he sent me, and I'm

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I think it's sitting in my email right now has

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a two set stamp on it. And I was like, oh,

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I got to ask Harriet, all right, so we're going

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to get back.

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Tell um, don't the getting worried when people started hearing

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about that, Well, let's see if that those stamps, then

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don't do it.

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I'm assuming somebody already licked it because these weren't self

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adhesive back in nineteen fifteen, so somebody had to lick

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the stamp and maybe they had some fun. I don't

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don't know.

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No, No, the stamp is linked from the back.

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You're cutting out. You're cutting out really bad. I can't

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hear anything. You're safe.

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Sorry, it's saying he's saying back and his crew is

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saying that the od mixture of the CIA intel stuff

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is on the cover of the scamp.

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So, but then wouldn't wouldn't it get rubbed off or

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other people touching it have some stuff from it.

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It's got a it's got the same, it's got something

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covering that, and then you lick it and your saliba

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dissolves that and then the stuff is underneath.

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Uh all right, Yeah, let's get back to your present.

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Wak it, don't lick it. On November second, nineteen seventy four,

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Kathleen Collidges k O L O d z I E J,

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I do not know how to pronounce that is abducted

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means street near Vault Bar in Colbelskill, New York. So

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this is what I believe is one of the last

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murders in the New York area found out. And we

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know Jack is off, he's not working, and he is

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fighting for his disability, and he is just basically probably

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playing and running a mock. So he definitely isn't grounded

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in some place where it requires him to be there,

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and he can literally be across the United States within

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what we say the trip on Route sixty six all

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the way out was it Route sixty six out all

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the way across the United States.

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Well, it goes all the route. Yeah, sixty six goes

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all the way up in towards Chicago. But you know

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you have the new interstate system by then, so yeah,

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you can be across the United seventy four. Three days, Yeah, yeah,

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he was right.

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Well or less if you're doing drugs.

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Three days I know something

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I wasn't me, but I know some people who did

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it was.

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I think when I mapped it out, it was something

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like twenty eight hours straight if you were to drive

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it straight. I know that three days is obviously more

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applicable because you'd probably drive about eight hours a day

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and stay the night somewhere. But I think that Jack

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would travel straight on through in some cases, at least

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he showed to do that. She was abducted November two,

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but found November twenty eighth of nineteen seventy four on

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McDonald Road in Richmondville, New York. She was lying on

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a stone wall. I kind of went all the way

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back to Bauerdor's confession letter being found on a stone wall.

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She was partially clothed, stabbed in the back and shoulders

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numerous times. Autopsy was done at Alberty Medical Center, which

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is where a majority of the New York murders occurred,

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including the gall and sharp finding of the Zodiac letter

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in their apartment in New York. It was literally, I

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want to say, a block or so from albut any

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medical center. Let's see other murders were dumped here. When

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we have the Letterman General Hospital nurse and keypunch operators

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in San Francisco set a Memorial Hospital Sacramento nurse Donna

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Las nurse from Letterman General Hospital. So we have all

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of these hospital connections. We also have the bar in

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the situation, which is just like the Veterans Hall, the

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Legion and the other bar establishments that we see where

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if we even go back to borrow Bauerdor's confession letter,

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the suspect said, you'll find me at the bar. Basically,

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this is the last of what I believe to be

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the Freeway phantom murders forever that completes the z murder

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map scheme with a possible stop at Michigan to see

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Carol Settlemeyer. I wondered whether or not this is when

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he would have hit her up. We do have her

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phone book to look at when we get into the

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Oakland County Child Killers stuff. But there were some similarities

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in the handwriting between the donna last Christmas card and

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the handwriting, so let's see here. As far as Kathleen

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is concerned, it says. Ayers told Dateline that Kathy was

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last seen around one thirty am, leaving the bar and

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crossing the street, presumably headed back to campus, which he

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said was about a mile away. It was the last

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time she was seen alive. Just hours earlier, Kathy's mother, Hattie,

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had spoken with her daughter, asking her not to go

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out to instead stay home and study, and Kathy's cousin

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Vicky Sidlowski, told Dateline she was a good kid, Vicky said,

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but it was a Friday night and she wanted to

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go out with her friends to the local bar. It

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was a small community. Everybody knew everybody, and that's just

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what we all did. Oh my, I get myself over here,

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all right? What is that? Okay?

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Now?

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On December eighteenth, and nineteen seventy four, we have another

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woman that goes missing, Janet Gold, twenty eight years of age,

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at the Highland Steakhouse bar. Again, it's a bar and

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it's near Big Bear in Santa Barbara California area. So

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if everybody can see travels, this is like Jack traveling

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across and back in as these things occur. Janet Gold

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was killed closely to we'll get to that in a second. Anyways,

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victims last day is a mystery. Santa Maria investigators are

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trying to learn where a Big Beer Lake woman spent

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the three weeks between her disappearance and murder, a Santa

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Barbara County Sheriff's detective said yesterday, and autopsies revealed that

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miss Janet Gold, twenty eight of Big Bear Mobile Home

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Estates Space five, probably died three or four days before

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her body was found on January thirteenth. So she went

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missing on December eighteenth and was not found until January thirteenth,

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and had died within three to four days of her

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body being found. So this is another thing that we

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saw with the Oakland County child murders that were going

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to be talking about and some of the other crimes

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where the victims. Let's go back to Black Dahlia she

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was also so it was said that she was also

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kept or tortured for X amount of time before her

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body was actually found. Right. Harriet Yep Yep not like

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nine days or something like, Yeah, it.

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Was days and so about yeah, nine ten, and that

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a baby was taken out out of her Woo home

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till before she was butchered.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, terrible, pretty bad. Yeah, yeah, that's.

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Her husband reported her missing December nineteenth, after she failed

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to return from a shopping trip in Big Bear. Her

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car was found locked and apparently undisturbed in the shopping center.

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The body was found in brush at the bottom of

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an embankment, which is a lot of the things we

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see with the Santa Rosia hiker murders. Investigators said miss

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Gould died of multiple stab wounds in her heart and

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other vital organs. No motive for the killing has been determined.

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Did you have any information on Janet Gold?

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Uh? No. Some of the princident that are gonna, you know,

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have to be tackled in the next month or so

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when you get to schools because out there, I'm seeing

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so much stuff forming in my head as you're doing this,

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and I'm wondering which cuffs what are we going to find? Anyways,

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so keep going like okay.

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So lowman seeking clues in Big Bear murder. Big Bear

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authorities have asked help of area residents and getting information

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concerning a murdered Big Bear Lake woman who was last

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seen alive here December eighteenth. Miss Jane Judith Gold was

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found stabbed to death January thirteenth, north of Santa Barbara.

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Her nude and partially decomposed body was discovered in a

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bush at the bottom of a roadside embankment. So she's

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basically from Big Bear Lake, but then is found in

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Santa Barbara County. Her nude and partially decomposed body was

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discovered it in a bush at the bottom of a

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roadside embankment. Investigators have uncovered no substantial leads in the case.

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We can't even figure out how she got out of

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Big Bear. Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Sergeant Don Discus said

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yesterday Miss Gold left her mobile home Estates home at

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about seven pm on December eighteenth to go shopping and

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was later seen leaving the bar of the Highland Steakhouse

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in Big Bear. She left the bar alone, but she

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was seen inside talking with a tall, thin man. Investigator

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said Miss Gold's car was found the next day parked

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outside the restaurant. It was locked and contained only a

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Christmas present of children's toys, which she apparently bought for

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two children. Investigators said there were no signs of a

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struggle in or near the vehicle. Santa Barbara County Authority

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said miss Gold had been dead between four and six

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days when she was found by a horseback rider. Detectives

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described her as five foot one, one hundred and fourteen pounds, frosted,

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shoulder length, blonde hair, and brown eyes. She had been

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wearing a blue turtleneck sweater, dark blue bell bottom pants,

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a light tan three quarterlink leather jacket, and brown rubber snowboot.

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She was carrying a brown simulated leather handbag containing a

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credit card and a check book issued by Crocker National Banks,

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Recita Roscoe Branch. She had no cash with her at

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the time. Detectives asked that anyone who might have seen

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her call the Sheriff's Homicide Division in San Bernardino. So, yeah,

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she's not almost an hour and forty minutes away, it

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looks like by my but also is listed on a

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map of other murders which listed Nancy Easton. And we

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talked about Nancy Easton, I believe either last week or

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the week before, and we indicated that her boyfriend worked

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for the rangers station at a state state camping area

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or wildlife area. So interesting that both of these individuals

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are found so closely to each other. So we've got

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Domingus and Edwards right here off of the one oh one.

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We've got Janet gold found here off of the one

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oh one, and then we have Nancy Easton, which that

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says cressline. Let me see if I can make an No,

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I can't see Lake Arrowhead. I want to say, oh,

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there's Big Bear Lakes. So Nancy Easton is literally just

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probably within an hour, her body is found from Big

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Bear Lake. So no gold.

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Can they say something about gold that I.

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Can't hear you your your your sound. Your sound is

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very bad and I can't let you keep Yeah, it's garbled,

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it's sounding horrible. I don't know what the problem is.

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Did they find that gold belongings or clothing.

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It indicated that. I think it indicated that, yes, But

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I think that see disappearance. I thought it said that

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her stuff was locked inside her car.

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Now just the gifts for the kids. I think they

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say what she was weird, but that she was found nude,

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But they didn't say if they found her purse or clothing.

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She was carrying a brown stimulated leather handbag containing a

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credit card in a check book. She had no cash

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with her at the time, so I don't know if

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they've ended it. They're just telling us what her husband

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believed she left with.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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All I know this sounds oh no. All I know

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is this very very A lot like what Eva Blow

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was wearing. So a lot of this is often just stories.

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Then you anagram all this stuff. But anyway, the clothing,

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all this stuff a lot on Jack. Definitely.

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You can't you can't hear We can't hear you, Harriet,

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I don't know.

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You can't hear you.

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No, you can't. You're cutting in and out.

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I'm cutting. Wow. That that's self service today. Well I'm like.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean when I looked at some of

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this staff, let's see three quarter link leather jacket, brown

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rubber snow boots.

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She was carrying a brown s Yeah, it doesn't really

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indicate what they found with her. If she was found

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nude on a nude I don't know. Anyways, Let's see

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if the next article says no new leads in Big

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Bear Woman's death Santa Maria, Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies

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have been unable to uncover any substantial leads in the

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investigation into the stabbing death of a Big Bear Lake

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woman whose body was found January thirteenth, northwest of Santa Barbara.

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Miss Janet Judith Gold, twenty eight, of Big Bear Mobile

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home estate space By, was last seen alive December eighteenth,

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when she left a restaurant bar in Big Bear. Her nude,

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partially decomposed body was dumped down a roadside embankment in

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a secluded area near the community of Buelton. Investigators said

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she had no relatives or close friends outside the Big

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Bear area and had apparently experienced no marital problems. Her

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car was found law and undisturbed in front of a

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Big Bear restaurant she had visited alone. Detective Ron Gardner

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said there is no evidence the woman had been sexually assaulted.

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So again, we have somebody who's abducted, who's held, who's killed,

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with no signs of sexual abuse, which is why I

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include these in this particular case with the Zodiac, because

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we know that if there was an attempt to make

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it look like they were sexually assaulted. There was certainly

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no DNA or any type of bodily fluids found that

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would have indicated somebody had sex with them, so it

461
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:33.759
was likely that they were just penetrated by an object

462
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:35.759
to make it look like it was a sexual crime.

463
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:40.720
Who we got more body discovered? Reserve Sheriffs Deputy Jerry

464
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:43.440
Carroll points to the spot where the body of Janet

465
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.000
Judith Gold, twenty eight, of Big Bear was discovered late

466
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:49.240
Monday afternoon. Body was located about six feet down an

467
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:52.240
embankment off an access road approximately one hundred feet of

468
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.440
South Highway two forty six and two miles west of Buelton.

469
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:58.559
Deputy sectioned off the surrounding area as the search for

470
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:01.680
clues continue lad into Monday night, and on Tuesday, Miss

471
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:05.680
Gold was the victim of a stabbing an investigation stabbing

472
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:09.119
and investigation will continue in Big Bear in Santa Barbara

473
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.880
County areas. Big Bear woman found murdered two miles west

474
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:16.400
of Bulton. The discovery of the nude body of a

475
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:19.400
young woman brought Sheriff's deputies to an isolated brush area

476
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.720
approximately two miles west of Bulton late Monday afternoon, where

477
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.599
an extensive search was initiated for clues to the identity

478
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.119
of the victim and motive for her stabbing. The woman,

479
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.359
identified Wednesday as Janet Judith Gold, twenty eight, of Big Bear,

480
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:35.039
was discovered by a ride a rider exercising her horses

481
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:38.680
about four pm Monday. Deputies said the body was found

482
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:42.240
approximately six feet off a paved access road and about

483
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.200
one hundred feet off Highway two forty six. The entire

484
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:47.920
area was roped off by Sheriff's deputies who began a

485
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.799
search which lasted late into Monday night. Investigation of the

486
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:56.160
discovery spot continued on Tuesday and positive identic identification was

487
00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:00.599
made through checking missing persons reports and finally miss Gold's charts.

488
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:03.039
Miss Gold was married and the mother of two. She

489
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:06.480
had been missing from Big Bear since December eighteen. The woman,

490
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.119
deputy said, could have been dead from four to seven

491
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:12.440
days or even longer. Recent weather conditions in the air

492
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:17.599
have retarded the decomposition process, complicating the work of the pathologist.

493
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.799
Pathology reports will be completed to determine the approximate time

494
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.000
of death and whether she had been the victim of

495
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.680
a sexual attack. It was said the investigation is continuing,

496
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:32.960
so I'm still not getting that information here is Judy

497
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:36.680
Bower's reporter says, let me see if I can skim

498
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.720
through this. Twenty nine years old A wife mother family

499
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:43.960
drove or moved to Big Bear in seventy four. She

500
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:47.000
was a hairstylist by trade, was a stay at home

501
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.319
mother with her two young daughters at the time she

502
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.759
was killed. When Glenn arrived home after work, Janet asked

503
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:54.759
him to go Christmas shopping so they could pick up

504
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:59.519
some things for the girls. Glenn was tired and convinced

505
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.279
his wife that if he went, they would have to

506
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:04.400
take seven year old Marianne and two year old Jennifer

507
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:08.720
along so there would be no surprises. So Janet went alone. Marianne,

508
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.160
who prefers not to have her last name used because

509
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:13.599
she says there is still a killer out there, doesn't

510
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:17.000
want her mother's memory to fade. Janet went shopping, but

511
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:20.559
first stopped at Big Bear Lake Fire Department. Janet's daughter

512
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:23.960
says the department was hosting a holiday party on December eighteenth,

513
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.880
and Janet knew some of the firefighters. The young mother

514
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:28.880
used to take walks with her daughters and the family

515
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.640
would often stop at the fire station during their outings.

516
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.279
A plastic firetruck was found inside Janet's car that the

517
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:40.000
night she disappeared. According to stories published in The Grizzly January,

518
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:42.720
Janet was last seen around seven pm. She went to

519
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.559
the village to shop, then apparently stopped by the Highlanders

520
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:51.599
Steakhouse for a drink. Johnson lived in Lake Arrowhead when

521
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:55.279
her sister disappeared. She and her husband, Bob, owned the

522
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:59.720
construction company Janet's husband worked for. Janet's car was found

523
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:01.279
in the park working a lot of the Highlander with

524
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.279
toys inside. The car was locked and the keys were inside,

525
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:05.240
So we found her car.

526
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:07.559
Keys keys are inside.

527
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:09.759
Interesting right, right?

528
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.440
What he had led to her being abducted. She probably needed.

529
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:19.319
Tobe locked herself out right, Yeah, let's see. The story

530
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.559
The Grizzly regarding Janet's disappearance stated that the patron's employees

531
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:24.839
of the Highlander were interviewed, but no one remembered seeing

532
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:28.119
Janet enter the restaurant. Johnson is quoted in the story

533
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:30.559
saying Janet might have used the name Kathy at the

534
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.119
Highland or The story also stated that Janet didn't take

535
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.759
any personal belongings with her when she left, so personal

536
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:44.599
belongings like her purse. Her body was discovered January of

537
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.200
nineteen seventy five, been stabbed in death, No one's been arrested.

538
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.839
Vivid memories, and we're wearing a dark rusted colored turtleneck sweater.

539
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:58.440
So now we saw that the news papers reported Blue

540
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.000
and her daughter saying that she remembers that her mother

541
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.519
was wearing a dark rust colored turtleneck sweater, jeans, and

542
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.319
knee high boots with her jeans tucked into the boots.

543
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.880
Which is interesting because I just thought to myself as

544
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:11.839
I was reading the article that said she was wearing

545
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:14.319
bell bottoms, I thought I read that she had her

546
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:18.480
jeans tucked into her boots. You can't tuck you can't

547
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:23.720
tuck bell bottomed pants into into knee high boots. I'm sorry,

548
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:25.359
but you're gonna look a bit ridiculous.

549
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:30.200
You're gonna soak out like a sort thumb somebody's.

550
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:33.920
Going to remember, and a blazer's side leather jacket. The

551
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.720
newspaper article stage Janet was wearing a powder blue turtleneck

552
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.440
in dark blue slacks. So yes, the newspapers are saying

553
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.039
one thing, her daughter is saying another. Janet also had

554
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.440
a purse from Mexico, a hobo style bag. We had

555
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.359
twin purses. The purse wasn't inside the car when it

556
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.720
was found, and the jewelry that belonged to her mother

557
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.519
was inside the bag and was never located, so somebody

558
00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:02.400
must have taken her purse. Jane's disappearance wasn't noticed right away.

559
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.519
Blah blah blah blah blah.

560
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:07.359
How are you not going to notice your mom being

561
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.559
gone overnight?

562
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:19.960
She evidently she did.

563
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:21.240
Or you're a while she went Christmas shopping, she.

564
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.880
Should be back at even Another strange thing is after

565
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.200
her mother's body was found, Marianne went to live with

566
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.279
her maternal grandmother, and Jennifer and Glenn left the state.

567
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:36.079
So weird husband and daughter leaves the state while one

568
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:40.200
daughter goes and lives with the grandmother. The connection to

569
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:42.119
a dead mother in the life she knew was broken.

570
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:46.559
Mary Anne wants answers, so it gives someone to call.

571
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.480
So thirty five years ago, let's see, I don't see

572
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.759
anything else in this all right? That brings us to

573
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.519
the DAWNA last greeting card, So December twenty seventh of

574
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:59.119
nineteen seventy four. This card is written to I believe

575
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.240
it's Donna Lass's sister Harriet.

576
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:06.559
Uh if Mary Poker be to her sister, so I

577
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:10.159
think she did get one in seventy four. But what

578
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:14.840
we see, what they've done is all laid out and

579
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:18.920
it's affect simile including everything. So but yeah, so I

580
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:21.599
do believe that the card was at one point sent

581
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.480
to her. But the double Champs is anyways, keep going

582
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:28.440
because I got the county needed.

583
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.639
On the the Christmas card front shows pine trees in

584
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:34.920
the snow, and we know that the twelfth Victim card

585
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.719
indicated upside down and around in the snow and look

586
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.159
beyond the pines. So this was kind of hitting home

587
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:45.400
in a reference to that particular postcard that was sent

588
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.000
by the Zodiac. And it says holiday greetings and best

589
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.880
wishes for a happy New Year, best wishes Saint Donna

590
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.800
and Guardian of the Pines. I'm not sure who would

591
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:58.280
write this to somebody who lost their sister. I mean,

592
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.440
it doesn't it doesn't sound like a condole once it's

593
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:07.960
wishing them well and calling Donna the Guardian of the pines.

594
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:11.039
How would they know this? How would some stranger know

595
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:13.039
that she was the Guardian of the pines, or that

596
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.320
her body would be found off of eighty and twenty

597
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:20.960
up near Nayak. Kind of odd, I would think at

598
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.559
any rate. It is addressed to Mary Pilkner Pilker, sixteen

599
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:27.679
o nine, South Grange, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and it

600
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:32.280
is It is double stamped, as Harriet said, with two

601
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:36.039
ten cent stamps, which are Christmas stamps. And it looks

602
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:40.119
like a sleigh being pulled by a horse. So we

603
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:42.880
have your salt. Do you have that available to read?

604
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:50.199
I'm about I'm trying to find it. It's here, God,

605
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:58.519
come on, now, go ahead reading it because I'm trying

606
00:35:58.559 --> 00:35:59.440
to find it here.

607
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.360
So you have a lot of work on this. Obviously

608
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:07.960
you included the information from the card and the envelope. Correct, Yes,

609
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.320
trying to see if I can see burial under tree

610
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:19.480
sigh above not temporary NOHV mountain l L L E

611
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:21.840
P I is. Oh, I'm not gonna be able to

612
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:22.159
read that.

613
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:27.079
I can read it. Hold on, let me see what

614
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:27.719
I got here.

615
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:32.159
Come on, okay, I do have one for the card,

616
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:34.960
but I cannot make out the one for the envelope,

617
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:36.400
So You're going to have to read that for us.

618
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:44.880
Okay, the envelope decoded says, come on now, let me

619
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.480
just read it, because I got a simplistic version because

620
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:50.280
it was a lot to do. It's a fact, and

621
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:56.400
it stated eleven AM White House, and the carbon copy

622
00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:02.199
was sent to Veterans Administration Hospital Sue Falls, South Dakota,

623
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:08.480
grieving Donald Las's sister, Missus Mary Pilker, and he's pouring

624
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:12.719
his heart out. He's saying, oh, how my conscience hurts.

625
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:18.679
Nineteen seventy Pause. Norah Kaufman with three Nice kids Dennis

626
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:24.559
Kaufman born December twenty eighth, nineteen sixty six, with two sisters,

627
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:29.159
Mary and Geneva Kaufman, A Dow Incorporated part.

628
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:33.559
No, No, Harriet, George, you went, Harris, you went completely silent,

629
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:37.639
like we lost you all together. So reread that after

630
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:40.320
after Nora and three kids.

631
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:46.119
Okay, it says, come on, now, where to go? Damn

632
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:51.719
sorry God? Okay. After Norah Kaufman with three nice kids.

633
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:58.000
Dennis Kaufman born December twenty eighth, nineteen sixty eight, with

634
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:04.559
two sisters, Mary and Geneva Kaufman. Pause, A Dow Incorporated

635
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:09.800
pilot see New York Senator Robert Kennedy, who died June fifth,

636
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:15.400
nineteen sixty eight. Richard Nixon execute order a sin a

637
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:20.639
murder of Donna Lass South Lake Tahoe, California, in east

638
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:26.119
State Line, Nevada to Forest Pines, Inclined village to Highway

639
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:35.199
eighty nine to Highway eighty to Donna's decapitated head to

640
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:39.599
Highway twelve to Highway twenty nine. He's saying he saw

641
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:44.440
everything the whole trip to Lower Lake, California four five

642
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:51.000
seven Laurence swearing and saw Donna's murder everything. By October

643
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:58.199
nineteen seventy had to borrow Riverside, California corner drive south

644
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:02.599
with the three kids in a ambulance. It was converted

645
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.719
the VW was converted to eleven fourteen that's ambulance and

646
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:12.440
was used to transport the body. The corpse stinks shit.

647
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:18.159
Put Donna's body on ice. Wait eleven months. I put

648
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:23.800
my cipher on your five hundred dollars reward poster. Eleven

649
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:28.559
months later, drive highways like I five one oh one

650
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:33.360
to get body, then bury her and loose teeth. On

651
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:37.239
August sixth, nineteen seventy one, a Bureau of Land Management,

652
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:43.199
Morgan Valley Road, Lower Lake California head is at twenty

653
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:52.119
eighty areas. Son Denny bought Northwest Orient tickets USN Daniel

654
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:59.360
David Cooper a swearing and lookalike Sin eleven, fifteenth seventy one.

655
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:06.960
Victim thirteen xerox note Sin November twenty fourth, seventy one.

656
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:11.880
I jump out with one dead tattletale and his one

657
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:17.199
mandible out the airline as it was landing over Reno, Nevada.

658
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:22.159
Again repeat the eleven months drive holding dead, soaring in

659
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:31.320
time on motorcycle to Riverside, California corner, drop mandible and

660
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:36.519
bury him at same Dona Last's locations November twenty sixth

661
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.679
seventy two. Then he's going on about the Isabella Stewart

662
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:47.360
Gardner Art went to Kostreitz Christmas nineteen seventy four. Then

663
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:53.639
he's saying June nineteen seventy five, horseheads Appalachia don dog

664
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:58.239
sam Gian Kanna ate my six bullets young over his

665
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:02.880
couried per pork sausage in the kitchen. And then he says,

666
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:08.280
in July thirtieth seventy five, the irishman shot dead Wisconsin

667
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:15.960
International teamster Union Cappuccino lover haffa I sent Reagan suffrage

668
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:22.519
star envelope and cryptic note decoded into my message that

669
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:28.800
included about the December twenty second, nineteen seventy three Diplomat

670
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:34.639
hotel married John Walsh Junior, had hogtie, Janet kammahealee all this,

671
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:41.400
but this envelope anyways, but Rogers dark I grabbed ron

672
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:47.440
Girl execute Nixon. Order was for Revet. I promised Nixon

673
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:52.119
would get even. Nineteen eighty one, Sinn grabbed his son

674
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:56.599
Dan ran kicking and screaming, ripping head off at Indian

675
00:41:56.719 --> 00:42:00.480
River County. The rest of him is at Rural Lake,

676
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.119
the same area as don A Lassen swearing and that

677
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:08.840
Adam is now Lily Lily Brandt. The same father of

678
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:15.000
Adam is now Lily. Kidnapped des Moines, Iowa newspaper boy

679
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:20.400
thirteen years old to be Adam Slash Lily Brandt's brother

680
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:25.519
Dan Brandt in South Texas. For your information, White House

681
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:31.679
First Milk, Carton Center, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children,

682
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:37.159
New York City, pats Face zip code eight I'm sorry

683
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:42.400
zero eight one zero five. Charismatic Church, Camden, New Jersey, pastor,

684
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:49.039
New York photographer Oh Pablo Escobar fifteen million, Ursuline High Schools,

685
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:54.199
Santa Rosa, reve En Walsh and Jose Romos and his

686
00:42:54.320 --> 00:43:00.480
girlfriend Eaton pass babysitter Sandy Harman lure Stan pass Son

687
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:05.440
with the kid's favorite toy on May twenty ninth, seventy nine,

688
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:10.760
and walk holding his hand to the Nathaniel Courier one

689
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:18.960
fo Nassau Studio address, East fourth Street, Vermos, New York,

690
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:27.280
home building. Revene skip, all skip can you hear me? Okay?

691
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:32.559
I Saider Courier one, Nasau Studio address. Then fed eton

692
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:36.440
a stryct nine lace chocolate Easter Bunny at Unit fifteen,

693
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:41.760
two thirty four East fourth Street, Ramos, New York home building.

694
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:44.000
All right, now continue from reed dump.

695
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:51.880
Oh, hold on one second, there you go, it's it's coming, okay.

696
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:58.880
The curier, well, he's saying that they fed Strict nine

697
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:03.440
to Eton pats an Easter bunny. And then his body

698
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:08.000
dumps like rubbish at Santa Rosa Weeks Creek. That's the

699
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:13.320
hitchhiker murders all that area lot near near the road.

700
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:19.360
And then he's saying per Pope nine seven. The September seventh,

701
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:24.800
nineteen seventy victim Donal Lass and Tattletale November twenty fourth,

702
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.679
seventy one, now Pilot Lawrence Swerringen. They're both Catholic. These

703
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:33.239
Catholics must have a proper burial under a juniper pine

704
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:38.320
tree and blue sky and air above, not the temporary

705
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.159
and North Up Highway vehicle right here in Lower Lake.

706
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:45.880
And then he's saying that the South Lake, Taho law

707
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:52.559
enforcement is South Dakota, Dakota Private Investigator for missing registered

708
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:58.760
nurse Lass as utl unable to locate. Then he's singing

709
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:06.079
tut tut. He's like, anyway, parents, so to reiinuate Vice

710
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:11.000
President George Bush, Sir, I send Star Sentinel facts some

711
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:16.800
months ago. Therefore Ronald Reagan, White House and Secret Service

712
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:22.920
send under the influence of a restraining order. He's trying

713
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:26.000
to say he got a restraining order for that anyways,

714
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:29.440
trying to ask Reagan a favor if he'd please search

715
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:35.280
with global spatial image interpretations in the Western Tafo National Forest,

716
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:40.599
the Donna Pass, the Donner Pass, and Camp Spaulding Sierra

717
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.559
area for its. Basically, he's saying, search for those remains

718
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:49.400
because they're supposed to be buried underneath this particular tree.

719
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:56.159
Guess where that those trees were. Dennis recalled Mount Auckham

720
00:45:56.239 --> 00:46:00.119
and those trees juniper trees are in that area? Was

721
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.000
dreuniper trees that he's So there's something about the month

722
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:05.039
Okham Parpardy.

723
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.840
So the area of an in northbound Highway eighty Highway

724
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:13.880
twenty as snow now is not around or covering US

725
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.320
run roads. Please search for the Dow Pilot, Mandible and

726
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:20.840
donal las Head. Thank you, Terrence. It would be interesting

727
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.639
to find out. Did you ever have anybody respond to

728
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:27.400
you about that article Nolan from Donalasa's school being found?

729
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:29.519
No, when I called the b they never got back

730
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:31.800
to me. But that was they say that was her

731
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:34.960
skull there found that, you know, an intersection of twenty

732
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:35.400
and eighty.

733
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:42.199
Yeah, yes, absolutely so interesting that these solves that Harriet

734
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.119
has had that was showing the eighty twenty split. We

735
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:48.840
went and visited years ago before they ever even announced

736
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:51.679
that the DNA yielded that this was donal Lass's skull,

737
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.800
So it was obviously long after. I want to say

738
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:56.800
they found the school in nineteen eighty four, but it

739
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:59.559
hadn't been tested until here in this last was it

740
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:02.320
this this year. It was this year right that article

741
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:07.519
came out. So we were we were following Harriet Saws

742
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:09.960
and went to this location and we trecked in the

743
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:13.119
woods that day trying to see if we couldn't find,

744
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.440
you know, maybe a location or some type of a

745
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.480
sign that the zodiac might have left in order to

746
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.280
remember where he had had placed this body part. But

747
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:24.679
she's been coming up with this solved the eighty and

748
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:28.079
twenty split for a very long time, way long. When

749
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:34.079
did we do that, Harriet twenty twenty? We were thirteen

750
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:37.960
twenty fourteen, eighteen twenty eighteen is when.

751
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.079
We did that, all right, So we were looking.

752
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:44.119
Up six years in advance. We weren't the location that

753
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:50.760
she solved and Lauren swearing them solved from these ciphers,

754
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.199
Oh my gosh. All right, you guys were down the

755
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:53.519
last we.

756
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.639
Separate the head from the body and then hold on

757
00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.000
to the body and put it on eyes and then

758
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.199
take it all the way the Lake county and bury

759
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:02.599
it there or dump it there.

760
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.280
That just had no idea, right, But they didn't find

761
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.800
any other part other than her school And we did.

762
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.320
Admits that well say that that, yeah, And we.

763
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:14.280
Didn't get to find out. You were going to check

764
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:15.960
to see if we could find out whether or not

765
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.320
teeth were involved, and we just haven't gotten those answers yet.

766
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.000
Right, And he's saying that they were, that the teeth

767
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:22.760
were with the body.

768
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:26.840
No, he's saying there was no teeth. That he took

769
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:30.159
the teeth, right, yeah, yeah with the body.

770
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.360
Yeah, but we don't, but we don't. I haven't heard

771
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:35.320
from the rider and the bee whether or not the

772
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:38.039
teeth with the skull or not. But they didn't mention

773
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:39.719
in the teeth in the article.

774
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:43.840
So right, Well, that was an extremely long solve for

775
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:47.360
but a very short Christmas card. So I'm not sure

776
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:51.880
how you came up with all that information, but we're that.

777
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.079
That's it, you guys. It's the end of the show, Harriet.

778
00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:00.480
I'm sorry, Unfortunately it's fifty. I have to let everybody go. Yes,

779
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:02.880
thank you to everybody. You have a wonderful weekend. Thank

780
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:04.840
you Nolan for joining us, and we will see you

781
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:22.840
all next Friday as we continue this saga. Take care, bye,