Mr. Adams, Halloween Card, and More Solves

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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit

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the Road Jack Finding the Zodiac.
Today, we're going to talk about some

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interesting solves and new letters, including
the Halloween card. I would like to

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welcome now at this point in time, Harriet Suchet to the show. Yes,

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good morning, good morning, very
merry Christmas. You look very festive

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and I got my easy writer jacket. I've had this anyways, let's let's

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go. I'm in the vehicle and
I can be nice and warm any second.

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I love the Christmas hat, I
love the Christmas festivity. There you

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go doing the show. I know
he's just a little too small to see,

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but he's cute. That's okay.
I actually wanted to start the episode

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out today and I was hoping that
Nolan was on on for this part,

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but I received I received this interesting
business reply in regards to voevoting for this

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next year for twenty twenty four.
The interesting part about it is I've always

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been, I guess, labeled as
the Republican party. Man, like you

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have to evidently, you have to
choose a party to be able to vote

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for a president. Yeah, they
want you to force suit to stake your

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claim as to what's your Isn't that
kind of like trying to get the digs

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or the inside information on how the
polls will turn out ahead of time by

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asking people to claim representation of a
party. Yes, it's a form of

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That's why they're trying to get rid
of these. It's a form of cheating,

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you know, to know ahead of
time how the game is being played.

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Right in political science back in twenty
twelve, when I took the class,

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it stated that only fifty four percent
of Americans go to college, and

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you're more likely to vote if you've
gone to college. So of the fifty

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four percent that go to college,
roughly percent end up being Republican. The

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other fifty percent end up being Democrat. So they know that they have a

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certain amount of numbers they can count
on just out of the gate, out

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of the American citizens, which I
think was why Trump was such a shocker,

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because people who would never have voted
before actually came out of the woodworks

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to vote. Hi, Nolan,
good morning, Nolan. Are we froze

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up? Nolan? There you are. Let's see if you come in.

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Well, that's bright settings mm hmm, that's okay. We can see you

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and we can hear you. All
right. So we are just now talking

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about the fact that I received a
postcard. Are you able to hear me?

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Okay, okay, yes, all
right, We're gonna continue on.

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He'll chime in if he can,
all right. So anyway, Yes,

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of the fifty four percent of Americans
who actually go to college, they anticipate

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half of them will be Republican,
the other half are going to be Democrat,

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and then obviously there's the outliers that
are Independents and people in between.

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So basically, I had always subscribed
to being a Republican because they protect my

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rights to bear arms, and to
me, that's always been a very important

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factor. Last election, when Biden
won, somehow I got kicked out of

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the ranks of having a party,
and so I received this postcard that actually

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indicated that I needed to fill it
out. And the kicker here is this

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postcard says it only allows me to
handle changing my party to an American Independent

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Party, the Democratic Party, or
the Libertarian Party. It didn't give me

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an option for Republican. Yeah,
see, you get it. I just

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want you to screw up everything,
right, They're screwed up themselves. Actually,

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to label myself as a Republican,
I had to go online and do

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a completely different method. So the
easy way postage paid postcard would only allow

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you to be a Democrat, a
Libertarian, or the American Independent Party.

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The more disappointing part about it is
if I didn't pick a party, I

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do not get to vote for president, which I was very very upset about,

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Like, how why do I have
to succumb to a party in order

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to pick the best candidate that I
see fit to run this country? Mm

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hmmm? What if I like the
the Democrat that runs versus the Republicans.

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It's the electors elected president, right
right? I mean we hear that,

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Yeah, we hear that a lot. And I think that's of the other

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forty six percent of Americans. That's
truly what they believe in why they don't

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go out to vote. They don't
believe their vote has any balance at all.

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I think in many ways it matters. Hopefully. My father would say

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they picked the presidents fifteen years in
advance. Both sides all these plans.

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But I say I vote because there
was a time in our country when I

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was a little kid, when a
lot of people didn't have the right to

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vote. And then there's other countries
that would just they practically would die just

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to have just to vote. So
even if you think your vote doesn't matter,

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it matters in that respect because of
liberty in this country, you know,

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correct, correct, That's why I
believe that we have some say so

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in what's going on in our politics. But clearly when many when four families

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have ran California for the last eighty
years, that should tell you that we

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really don't have an opportunity of getting
the people out of office when they've done

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nothing good for us, or in
fact, they've done things that are bad

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only to benefit themselves. That brings
me to another issue with the voting is

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that this particular process that I went
through when I went online specifically stated that

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my signature has to match my driver's
license. Now, I talked about this

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on the podcast maybe a year two
years ago, and it was in regards

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to thousands and thousands of ballots being
kicked because you have individuals working for the

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voter registration who are not document examiners, making the determination as to whether or

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not your signature on your ballot matches
your driver's license, and if they feel

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that it doesn't, your vote gets
kicked. It doesn't is in Yes,

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I've seen, I'm terrible. Well, now, think about everybody who does

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a mail renewal on their driver's license. You could have done mail renewal I

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think up to four or five times, which would compass twenty years, and

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that driver's license that's going to keep
renewing is going to contain the same exact

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signature and picture that you took twenty
years ago until you finally make it back

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in and resign. So people need
to realize your signature will change in twenty

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years. So you want to make
sure when you sign your ballot, look

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at your most current driver's license to
see how you signed that driver's license and

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maybe just forge your own signature.
Don't forard your own signature. Basically,

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yeah, yeah, don't forge your
own signature because they will kick your ballot.

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You guys, So if we didn't
have if we didn't have a a

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yes, yes, this is why
they want to get rid of and I'm

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all for getting rid of these paper
ballots. It should be like it used

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to be, you know, so
only if you're in the military or sick

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in the hospital, you know,
for you get your ash down there in

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person and vote location. Yeah right. I wonder then if they could kick

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your ballot if you came out and
it didn't match your driver's license. The

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bottom line is is even after the
fact, somebody can kick your ballot if

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the signature doesn't match. Yes,
I think if you go to a pulling

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location, you have to present a
valid ID, whether it be an ID

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card or a driver's license or passport, so they examine it at that point

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then you're okay. So you're thinking
these are just mail in ballots. They're

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doing this verification with yes, yes, all right. So if Major America,

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just like I am getting this at
home, you know, voter voter

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registration stuff and voting from home,
then you have to be very well aware

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that if you're if you're not using
the signature that is currently on your driver's

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license that your vote will not count. All right, let's go back off

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zodiac. I remember doing that lost
election, pulling out my license and trying

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to sign just with the signature of
my license is probably eight years old,

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ten years old, right, right. They got to know that these things

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change, We evolve, things grow, things go away, things deteriorate.

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I wonder how they're dealing with signatures
of people who have neurological degeneration or other

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things of that nature that causes you
get older to yeah, to look bad

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or be deteriorated, or what my
aunt, my aunt in her Parkinson's,

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you know, the right Parkinson's going
in, and you know it's going to

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change sometimes weekly. Well, we
left off on the mister Adams postcard,

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which was a cutout postcard done pretty
much very similar. I liken this to

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the Black Dahlia era, because not
only is he using cutouts for the postcards,

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but he's also saying that you're next, which is what he started that

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with arm On Rombliss back in nineteen
forty seven, right after killing the Black

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Dohlia. You know, I mean, this is a theme that has been

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going on for quite some time we
see the double post, which is what

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we expect to see from the Zodiac. It was mailed Monday, October twelfth,

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nineteen seventy, and postmarked ten seventeen
of seventy. It was mailed to

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doctor Edward C. Adams, the
County. He was a Contacrostic County psychiatrist,

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that's what you were talking about.
And you said he was involved with

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who with? According to Jack and
his world, that he was involved with

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killing Marilyn Monroe. He was allegedly
her psychiatrist briefly when Demaggio got back together

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with her and they made a new
baby and she was pregnant at the time.

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Oh wow, he's involved, Yeah, go ahead, keep going.

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He's involved then what you're saying with
high profile mob type individuals. Yes,

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yes, that's kind of consistent with
the fact that we also saw a letter

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written to him by somebody who claimed
to have been involved with the mob in

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the CIA as young as seventeen.
In fact, his story in his written

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letter to mister Adams read out pretty
much just like what I believe Jack has

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been through and the Zodiac is all
about. So it's crazy that he's receiving

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these multiple communications and now you're saying
that there is a definite link to mob

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like affiliation. A letter that was
written to him. The individuals said they

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were related, but not but more
by marriage versus by blood. Either way,

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he called it the family. So
I'm still tracking this of the family

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from Manson to this letter to mister
Adams coming from an individual who was involved

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with the Mob and the CIA.
So it's all kind of making a nice

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little nest there for one of the
versions. But what I learned when I

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saw the letter X, this is
what I was just getting good at this.

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When I saw the letter X,
I knew it was either gonna say

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Nixon Texas for JFK, and I
remember exactly what yeah as an ana as

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an anagram and saying something. So
I'm like, all right, well we're

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about to climb into that because I
do have your solve on here for this.

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Let me just come, mister Edward
Adams. The Zodiac is going to

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change the way of committing murders.
So this is a this is a tune.

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We've already heard the Zodiac sing saying
he's not going to tell people who

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are how he commits his crimes anymore. I shall announce when I shall commit

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my murders. The Adams are next. You taught me to mean it,

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Adams, you were next, Zodiac, So you taught me to mean it.

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Indicates that there is some type of
affiliation between this author and mister Adams.

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Also, it still doesn't completely rule
out the author of the letter to

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mister Adams. In our earlier conversations
where he talks about needing help to get

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out from this system he's gotten himself
in, he does say you are next,

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which is like armand Roeblist changed the
way of committing murders is Zodiac and

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the scorpion change of m O going
to talk about murders, not going to

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talk about murders or tell about the
crimes. Now I shall announce when I

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shall commit my murders. That Adams
is are next. So he's now saying

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Who's next, And we're going to
see more and more of this theme of

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who's next all the way into Albany, New York. Let's see. So

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yep, DC Freeway, Phantom,
that's all New York. What's that?

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Basically, I think we're coming to
the position that Jack was a victim mind

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control himself through him. Yes,
maybe this was one of the doctors that

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worked on his brain exactly. And
we know that there was the letters,

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and we had government yes, and
we had the Deer Draft Board letters in

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sixty eight, which is just two
years ago, in this time scheme,

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in which case he was indicating that
he was trying to get help for this

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psychological or neurological issues. He's looking
for the cure that he knew he was

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caught up in it and he just
didn't know how to get out of him

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right. And that letter that was
written to mister Adams sometime back talked about

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being seventeen when he got caught up. And I know that Jack was on

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the road from fourteen to seventeen.
He stated he was in twenty eight different

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states. He was bootlegging liquor,
and obviously running liquor for obvious it would

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have to be for somebody mob related, otherwise he would probably have gotten chopped

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down if he was stepping on any
of these people's toes during that timeframe.

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So it does kind of fit in
with the scheme that in the age of

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seventeen, Jack got himself involved in
something he couldn't get it. He got

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into the navy, he got into
the Navy, and that's where that's OSS.

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That's civil that's not civil war.
Oh my god, I got civil

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war in my mind anyways, and
then that's CIA. It works quickly into

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the CIA. So in forty five
when he joined the Navy, he was

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OSS right that he got cut up
into something. Yeah, yes, yeah,

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yeah. I think that he and
I think that he had already achieved

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some level of Oh gosh, I
don't know how. He may very well

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have decided to get into the military
because he was instructed to do. So

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you know what I'm saying. They
took a place in the position of training

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and learning where they need them so
that they can come back and call on

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them when they're trained and ready.
So there's also that, I think the

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reason why I'm believing exactly what you're
saying, because I know I had family

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members and other friends who got into
what they called the Junior ROTC, which

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was what is now called middle school
age. So you're twelve or thirteen getting

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into that, so you got somebody
it wasn't called that then, but I

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would say that they noticed he had
a very high IQ and could do certain

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things with math or whatever. And
then I think at the age of twelve

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or thirteen, because remember he allegedly
quit school at fourteen, so that's the

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age group. You know. They
probably said, hey, we're gonna take

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you, we need you, we
can do things with you, you know.

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Right. Well, this particular postcard
actually has information that is found in

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the FOYA files, so it is
not it is not no it as a

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accepted Zodiac communication, but it does
look like that they were actually taking interest

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in it. It says nothing of
cryptographic significance in this particular postcard, but

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it says photocopy of postcard bearing cutout
type written address, Doctor Edward G.

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Adams, one O two Camino Don
Miguel, Arinda, California, postmarked Berkeley,

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California, seventeenth of October PM,
nineteen seventy, bearing message cut out

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of newspapers or other publications beginning Monday, October twelfth, nineteen seventy Edward Adams

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the Zodiac is going to So I
wrote up here that it's interesting part about

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the mister Adams is that he is
being contacted by mob and related individuals,

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and that is kind of confirmed by
what you just said, Harriet, in

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regards to the Marilyn Monroe and the
g and Kanna connection, so Bob related

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individuals who referred to him as family, and then the Zodiac killer, who

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I say is related to the very
same type of people. It's looking like

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a list of who's who and in
the know like Melbourne Belly, Robert Gray

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Smith, Paul Averley and now mister
Adams. All seems to be wrapped up

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in this know of what's going on. And that brings us to yourself,

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because you actually did have a solve
for this card. Yeah, let's see

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which page is this one page?
I can read it from here. It'slita

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and what she's calling he's he's miss
he's missing the H again. I've seen

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many times where he's spelling Liita Marie
self Orlita and of self without the age.

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So whoever is he's talking to does
not pronounce does not pronounce the H.

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So it says it's the decodes out
as wife Lita himself. Uh oh

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I God registered nurse Donna Lass nineteen
okay, supplied ten cc overdose that killed

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for Sam g and Connor's girlfriend.
Sam g and Connor was fifty three years

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old and she was nineteen in nineteen
sixty two. Anyways, Dolts nineteen,

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Donald Lass was nineteen, she was
she was a registered she was a nurse

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becoming a registered nurse, so at
the same time period. Anyways, and

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then it says Dolt, I've seen
another decos where he's referring to Arthur Lee

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Allen as Doult because he's kind of
stupid. Anyways, old idiator Arthur Lee

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Allen at one four fifty nine AM
record six sixty six fast moving pictures,

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Richard Nixon of California took camera.
So he got a hold of the camera

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and took the pictures or took the
camera. But I see leader decos that

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Arthur Lee Allen was able to make
some pretty discosting stamps out of that stuff.

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So anyways, that's what I got. This is early on, so

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there's there's probably going to be some
more evidence if I dig a little deeper,

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but this is it. I mean, he's saying a lot here,

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man, all right, So you
continued on. So the two cipher messages

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bring up about Arthur Lee Allen and
dead Marilyn Monroe pictures. Well, Jack

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Terrence apparently sent cryptic messages to doctor
Edward c Adams nineteen sixty nine in nineteen

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seventy. The October fourteenth, nineteen
sixty nine envelope with two stamps is an

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anagram of everything on it. So
you use the PM Oakland, California,

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October fourteen, nineteen sixty nine,
airmail, US postage six cents Franklin D.

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Roosevelt US posted six cents Franklin D. Roosevelt. Mister Edward C.

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Adams three two five five California Street, Reading, California. Now I had

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this one going to Camino Don Miguel. So did I place the mister Adams

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solve with the wrong postcard? No, I don't think so, because he's

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in Rinda. He's but this one
is Reading, and we had two.

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We had two postcards, one to
Reading and one to Arenda. So it

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looks like I misplaced this particular solve
onto the Ornda card. When you use

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the Redding, California. Yeah,
yeah, so, but he's still saying

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pretty much, I can tell you
saying the same thing. He knows what

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they've done, and he knows that
this guy is involved with the murder of

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Marilyn Monroe, who had just given
birth. That's right. She wasn't just

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pregnant, she had just given birth. About six weeks earlier. I keep

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on seeing so well, okay,
I see that one is for reading.

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I see that the one below is
the one. Ok So can you read

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that one? The leitha self crowd
crooner? Yeah? Is this in my

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book? Yeah? Yeah, in
your book? You want me to read

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it and then you can explain it. Uh yeah, go ahead, and

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I'll look for it because this is
pretty page twenty and twenty. It's page

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twenty and twenty one. So you
have them back to back. Here we

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go. So it's a yeah,
it's it's saying litha self crowd the crowd

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krooner y m which is Eavestmontane Adams
and Adams go to Brentwood. Let me

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just read this a little better.
Litha self crowd crooner, Eastmanton Adams go

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to Brentwood, California, ten ninety
seven. That means arrive in police code

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at twenty one thirty two or eleven
thirty two pm secrete ten cc numatal upcut

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rectum killed. Well she was pregnant
again anyways. Marilyn Monroe DiMaggio at O

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one twenty three ten or one twenty
three and ten seconds am sicily Gankanna paid

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duo spies seven point one b for
billion Swiss francs. So that's what it's

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saying. Man, he's he's The
revelations are amazing out of how he did

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these seven seven point one billion Swiss
franks. What's that? That's a lot

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of money. Did and Kanna have
billions back then? Or we just he

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had access. He was one of
the major mob rulers of the world.

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Swiss Franks weren't probably equal to dollars
then they're probably less, gotcha, that's

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still a lot of money. That
is a lot back then. Huh,

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all right, well, oh,
come on by his name? So this

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is the first Well I don't know, so was one of Marylyn's boyfriend.

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H I can't, I can't understand
your question. You're cutting in and out.

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Yeah, I'm okay, you hear
me now, yes, mm hmm

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okay. Yeah. Eves Monton is
an actor. He's not a singer,

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but it refers to him as a
crooner. Maybe he did do some singing,

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but he's better known for being an
actor. Yeah. Yeah, he

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was an amazing singer. He especially
in France. He was really big in

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Europe. Yeah. Very good looking
man too and who is He did the

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movie if I remember The Prince and
the show Girl. He did the movie

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the nts in the Showgirl with Marilyn
Monroe. And he was after before I

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did these, before the cases.
I heard doing some shows, you know,

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documents whatever, that he was among
the very last people to see Marilyn

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Monroe alive. So he was a
suspect in her death. So Jack is

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saying that that he was there,
so you know montav and Adams was there

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for the for the demise of Marilyn
Monroe. That's two times that he's saying

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Adams is there and eaves Montan took
place and you know, right and then

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so that's bringing back to mind that
I think that there was some type of

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information that suggested that Marilyn Monroe's doctor
had come over to administer something to her,

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right, and who really was the
doctor or because this is he she

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had just got back again with the
Maggio the magico was living in Martinez,

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Costi. So he's a psychiatrist from
there from Martinez is really close to Ornda.

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Oh my goodness, you guys,
you're giving me goosebumps. All right,

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Well, that moves us on to
more nursing ah So basically we also

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have the continuation. Like I said, we see the movement from San Francisco

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to South Lake Tahoe with donal Las. We see the movement of the communications

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and the newspapers telling the zodiac to
move and make a new family and find

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a new place to live. We
see the movement in the zodiacs communications as

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he indicates he is moving his way
towards South Lake Tahoe by sending messages out

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from Sacramento and so forth and Fairfield. In these areas, we also see

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the movement of Jack from the Bay
area into South Lake Tahoe. And now

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we're going to see a theme of
nurses that are killed that follows the theme

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of Donna Lass as she leaves San
Francisco and moves on to South Lake Tahoe.

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So on October twenty sixth, nineteen
seventy, we have Nancy Benelac.

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She was abducted from the Arden and
Bell area, which is right here in

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my Sacramento area, twenty seven years
old. She was a court reporter.

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I'm sorry, she's not the nurse, she's the court reporter. I think

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this is one of the ones that
we had fitting in with the whole bunches.

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But court reporter in Sacramento County.
She was found dead in her apartment

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with over thirty stab wounds. Police
believes that the killer put tape over his

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fingers so as not to leave prince. That's an interesting concept tape. We

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know, we know that the I
have asalt relating to her, and I've

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never finished the salt relating to Judith
Occary. That got over a thousand symbols.

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I said, I'm moving on to
something else. So but there's a

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connection here, the like you're noticing
the nurses. We got some mob connections.

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So I'm going like this because they
criss cross and there was a reason,

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unfortunately why these ladies met their demise, you know. So we'll get

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to that at some other point.
But man, I said, no,

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I'm not going to continue working on
Judith Ucari. We've kept on getting bigger

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and bigger and bigger. He's got
a lot going on with her. Well.

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He The interesting part that I thought
was the tape over the fingers is

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what they what they thought occurred to
prevent him from leaving fingerprints. But we

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know that the Zodiac talked about applying
cement airplane cement to his fingertips in order

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to conceal his fingerprints, which I
think would probably act the same way as

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tape. Right now, that's why
was she sexually assaulted as well? Or

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not? Do we? Everything that
I have in here does not state that

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there was. Let's see, the
friend's son went to the apartment manager for

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assistants used to pass key to unlock
the front door. Nancy was found murdered

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in her apartment. Yea, if
she wasn't, that's more jack like,

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more Zodiac like, if she was
not sexually assault exactly. And that's what

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I'm finding with any of these crimes
that I've included is that either they make

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it look like they were sexually assaulted
when they truly weren't, or there was

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no apparent motive like robbery or sexual
assault or money or anything else that was

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going on that would cause somebody to
want to kill this individual. But this

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one's moving right on up and happens
to be blocks from Judith Hakari's apartment on

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all Ta Arden, So literally just
down the way is where we have Judith

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Hakari being abducted and then have found
obviously I think somewhere up more near Nayak

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in the eighty area, the Pioneer
Way. I'm trying to remember, Oh

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my god, I know we'll go
back to what's that. Okay was in

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South Tahoe, right, I want
to say it was more upas anyways,

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So we did have another another newspaper
article that came out. Zodiac link to

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Riverside co Ed's murder confirmed, Authorities
confirmed Monday, San Francisco's a lusive Zodiac

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killer definitely wrote notes claiming a Riverside
co ed as his first victim. Riverside

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Police Captain Irvin Cross said the investigation
into the nineteen sixty six slain of Sherry

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Joe Bates would be reopened on a
full scale basis. However, he said

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the messages may only indicate the Zodiac
was just trying to capitalize on publicity.

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After all, the letters were received
seven months after the killing. The mysterious

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killer did not start calling himself Zodiac
until two years after the Baits slain,

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when he began sending bragging letters to
San Francisco Barrier in newspapers. I want

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to correct the newspaper here right now, because the Sherry Joe Bates letters were

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actually labeled with a Z at the
bottom. So before he the gun sight

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symbol, he was using the letter
Z and, which tells me that he

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is in fact that one and the
same UPI site DPI right her FA.

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The way that he uh messed with
her card to say word card and awkward.

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You know that ms very Zodiac like
all the way everything about it.

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He claimed fourteen kills in nineteen sixty
eight, nineteen sixty nine. I'm like,

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oh my god, where'd they get
this number? Fourteen kills? We

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are at the thirteen and fourteen stage
in nineteen seventy, but by nineteen sixty

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nine I saw nothing that indicated he
had killed fourteen people. But we know

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the newspaper isn't always correct and they
like to sensationalize things. He rationalize,

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he reclaimed, more than know that. But at that time in sixty nine,

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he wasn't playing fourteen. No,
he wasn't. Cross said he received

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verbal confirmation Monday afternoon from state handwriting
experts that the notes sent to the Riverside

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Press Enterprise were from Zodiac. The
three notes read Bates had to die,

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there will be more. San Francisco
homicide Inspector William Armstrong said there were strong

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similarities between the Zodiac's lanes and the
killing of Miss Bates, eighteen of Riverside

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City College. There's a very good
possibility it's our man, Anderson said.

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However, Cross did not rule out
the possibility the killer may have been a

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local youth. They thought, I
think at the time that somebody had dated

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Sherry Joe Bates. But they years
and years later, Yeah, they were

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okay, they were able to rule
him out. He was not the suspect.

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He was ruled out based on all
of the forensic evidence. So he

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was released. But this is just
an old article. It took years for

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this to happen. Riverside officers said
they have suspected an unidentified youth since January

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nineteen sixty eight, several months prior
to the first Zodiac killing. The suspect

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was in jail on another charge.
Before the San Francisco Bay killings began.

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During the summer of nineteen sixty eight, The Press Enterprise has ran several stories

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indicating police know who killed Miss Bates, but don't have enough evidence to try

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him, and so that was their
line of the suspect they were following the

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entire time. Zodiac sought for sorry
slayings in San Francisco, Valeo and Lake

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Berriessa. Has written several notes to
local newspapers. In the Riverside killing,

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Miss Bates was knife to death after
being lured from her stalled car to a

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deserted parking lot. So again,
why they are still trying to bifurcate these

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cases will never never understand. And
that had to die, Bits had to

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die. That shows that it was
an old time motive besides just killing someone,

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right, the reason behind it.
There was a link same with like

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the Darling Farren. I think there
was something else going on besides just oh

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I'm gonna kill these people, you
know the scenes another well, when we

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take it all the way back to
Georgia Bauerdorf, she was an oil heiress.

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It said that her murder was retribution. In Black Dahlia he said her

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murder was justified and Bates Bates had
to die. So you're right, he's

404
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:39.760
following this theme of the necessity for
the killing of these individuals as if to

405
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:44.960
take the fault off of himself.
So he's being told to do this,

406
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:49.000
instructed to do this, paid to
do this, whatever it is. It

407
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.000
is not his choice to do it. And I think that there was also

408
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.880
information at Lake Berryessa where he said
I have to kill you people. Right,

409
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:04.280
didn't he tell Artnell and Shepherd in
some communication or conversation that it's well

410
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.960
even I think he said, Charybay, it's time for you to die,

411
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:13.400
you know. So he is letting
these people know that this is their this

412
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.960
is his job, this is what
he has to do. Not that he

413
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:20.320
wants to, but he has to. So that brings us to the Halloween

414
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:27.360
card, one of my favorite communications, obviously for apparent reasons. It shows

415
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:32.880
that the Zodiac has been creating and
manipulating the communications of greeting cards by creating

416
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:43.039
his own styles. Here with the
here with the skeleton on the front page

417
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:47.800
saying fourteen. Now this could mean
and some people think this means that fourteens

418
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:53.400
were killed, and some people believe
this means fourteen people have been killed.

419
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:58.000
This does follow the thirteenth victim cards, so it would make sense that it's

420
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.679
fourteen. We are now seen,
right, we are now just seeing the

421
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:07.159
fourteen. So that article of saying
seventeen victims is kind of it's out of

422
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:17.719
whack again. The newspapers, so
cards like a dragon, Yeah, just

423
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:23.280
the funniest things ever. I know, he's definitely got some humor. So

424
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:29.880
it shows that thirteen eyes were hand
drawn onto the card. That four and

425
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:34.360
the word team should be considered a
play on numbers like flight five five five

426
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.559
or flight three of a kind.
This could mean that there is fourteenagers dead

427
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:42.840
and not a tally or total number
of victims. So you could go either

428
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:46.840
way with this. I'm not sure
what yearly card was produced, but was

429
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:51.599
there something where you could go to
a kiosk or something like that and create

430
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:55.519
these cards back in that day?
Harriet, Uh No, I don't think

431
00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:01.960
so. But somebody over the years
said that you could find the card at

432
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:09.679
near Monterey, that there was a
shop at Monterey had these cards. There

433
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:20.880
was a Monree, California. So
about what's that? Read words another part

434
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:23.039
intro to the card, like another
page of it, because it's oh,

435
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:28.360
there is then why spoil the game? So yeah, I mean, I

436
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.719
mean, yeah, this is just
a beginning within once. Why spoil the

437
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.800
game? It says behind the back. Yes, well we'll move on to

438
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.480
that one. So on October twenty
seventh, nineteen seventy, this card was

439
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:43.880
received. It says, sorry,
no cipher crisscrossed. And I was interested

440
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:49.639
in the crisscross part because it seemed
to me like that's about the type of

441
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:57.840
solution that Orange Shack applied to the
three forty was this period nineteen diagonal reading

442
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:02.280
of the symbols to create a message. So this kind of coincides with what

443
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:10.280
Orangehac eventually solved. This is also
the first time we see the symbol of

444
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:16.119
sorry, what's that I'm reading?
I have to decode that one that that

445
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:22.199
Sandy Bez has it saying Pittsburgh at
the corner that's what do you mean?

446
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:29.239
The where it says Sandy bits got
that it says look at Yeah, that's

447
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.000
pitts all this time, God,
hold on, hold on, hold on,

448
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:37.000
hold on, before you jump.
This is this is a murder map

449
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:42.119
that works out. So it's a
map. It has all the cities on

450
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.079
it. It's not going to be
something to decode. It's literally labeling how

451
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.840
many victims in each of those areas. And I'm not quite sure who put

452
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:54.679
this together or who made this.
There are definite differences that are not consistent

453
00:39:54.760 --> 00:40:00.719
with the Zodiac's handwriting. And it's
written pretty uh, pretty free handed.

454
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.599
It looks like to me so there
is a chance that this is not written

455
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.559
by the Zodiac but could have been
delivered by somebody who was familiar with the

456
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:15.599
Zodiac. Or but the symbol at
the bottom and is that that represents Mount

457
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:22.760
Diablo. I think that some people
do believe that this is a Mount Diablo

458
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:28.039
reference. It is found in this
murder map as Mount Diablo. Another thing

459
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:32.039
that I was told by the the
FBI was this was a steel stamp on

460
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:37.159
steel beams, and we know that
Jack worked for US Steel. We're going

461
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:42.480
to actually talk about some US Steel
involvement and things that are going on during

462
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:47.920
this timeframe, which I think actually
we already recovered it. Let me let

463
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:54.719
me make sure. Come on,
Oh nope, link is definite. Anyone,

464
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:59.039
Okay, I think we will still
get to that particular portion, but

465
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:02.079
let's finish this up so you can
do your solve because we only got nine

466
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:06.400
minutes left. So yeah, Sandy
Betts believes that the Zodiac left this map

467
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.159
on her front porch. My question
is, how would the author of this

468
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:14.199
map know to label the symbol Mount
Diablo Unless this is what this symbol signified.

469
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:19.159
Why have so many people questioned what
the symbol is supposed to mean to

470
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.320
me, it could be as simple. This is an accepted communication from the

471
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:28.760
Foyer Information and the FBI archives.
And this picture that we have down here

472
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.639
of Jack was said to have been
commemorating the deed that Jack just committed.

473
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:36.800
Dennis claims Jack was out of his
mind and had just returned from killing the

474
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:40.559
neighbor's dogs injury. Is interesting that
it is reminiscent of this greeting card that

475
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:45.360
was hand designed by our author.
I mean, there he is, arms

476
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:52.800
out doing a thing. The envelope
itself was mailed to. It was mailed

477
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:58.440
to Paul Averley of the San Francisco
Chronicle on Fifth Mission in San Francisco,

478
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.039
and it's using the moonlight ending stamp. So we start to see the moon

479
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:07.199
landing stamps starting to make their round, and that brings us spelled. I

480
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.599
think the name is Avery, and
he wrote Averlee. Yeah, that's he

481
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:15.400
knew that. He knew the guy's
He misspelled it on purpose. I found

482
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:21.719
it came in handy for anagramming because
I was missing an l oh nice all

483
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.480
right, Well, that brings us
to your solve on this particular. So

484
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:30.199
the October eighteenth, nineteen or October
twenty eighth, nineteen seventy Halloween card.

485
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:38.800
Go ahead, give us that song. Let's find it on my paget fat

486
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:46.960
Anyways, okay, I'll read it. Okay. It starts out with the

487
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.519
envelope is mostly an anagram combined with
unique small cease for aweight grow cipher using

488
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:59.119
the Apollo NASA earth stamp and anyways, uh, it comes out at least

489
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:04.679
I found it come out as S
S Clint Hill Service p O n A

490
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:12.440
t U G M HOFFA N y
five S S and then CB SD l

491
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:22.199
M for Missouri or Secret Service Clint
Hell Service Public Information Officer North American Teamster

492
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:30.119
Union General Manager HOFA in New York, five Solid State Citizen Band radios from

493
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.079
Saint Louis, Missouri. That was
one section. So I go on to

494
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:42.320
the other section because I was Clintill
was the secret serviceman that reacted first when

495
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:47.199
Kennedy got shot in a Jackie Oh
back in the car. I'm sorry,

496
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:52.880
Ben, this is a secret service, didn't do ship was ste down.

497
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:59.960
There was other people at the Dallas
conferences, and I went to that said

498
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.119
Clint Hill's kind of dirty, I'm
sorry to say. According to Jack's World

499
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:12.079
he's very dirty. So anyways,
then there's another another section that says inside

500
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:15.440
the envelope the Chris Cross Sorry,
no cipher, no cipher, and I

501
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:20.440
said, it's actually part of an
anagram. Then we had the two bullet

502
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:25.800
like commercial art shapes. Old comics
use those to describe gun and rifle shots

503
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:31.920
firing. He used as exclamation points
in with boo, it's a nanogram,

504
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:38.039
and it came out as I'll just
read the solve. It says Eugene Hail

505
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:45.079
braiding on the I'm sorry, New
Orleans Operation Eugene Hale Braiding on the right

506
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:51.400
side of the Y and Deeley Plaza, Johnny Rousselli in the Y and then

507
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:59.480
Ohio sil Sabello and Southern Pacific Railroad
train tracks Operator Leebauers Junior. They're the

508
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:05.280
four shoeooters. Oh, Johnny was
selling, was going Johnny was silly,

509
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:08.320
was going to confess in nineteen seventy
six. He had said six times in

510
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:16.039
different public communications that he was one
of the shooters, so he was going

511
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:21.679
to confess, but he never went
to the the nineteen seventy six thing he

512
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:28.280
found he was found in he was
what chopped up he was found in a

513
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:32.920
barrel top of it. Yeah.
Uh. Brady Braiding was actually detained outside

514
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.239
of the Delta's building right after the
Kennedy assassination, but they let him go,

515
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:40.760
and there's a lot of people think
he was one of the shooters.

516
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:46.360
Jale Brady, who he gave his
name is Breydon, but it's it's really

517
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:51.519
Amas Eugene al Brady. No.
I was like, oh my god,

518
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:54.000
Johnny was selly. You know,
he's saying that he's in the y.

519
00:45:54.920 --> 00:46:04.079
They didn't call it the glass Grassy
Knoll at that moment that run in the

520
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:09.519
Cities that he's saying, one,
we're losing yet and we're losing what we're

521
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:17.679
losing? Yeah up, and you're
yeah, go ahead. So after seeing

522
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:27.840
h there was one more uh my
knowledge on page forty eight, fourteen or

523
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.840
four. Now let's just keep Yeah, that's what I'm saying to the best

524
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.320
of my ability. This was at
the fourteen by gun by rope, by

525
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.400
knife, by fire, by case, j Tar, Paradise, slaves,

526
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:45.199
peekaboo, you are doomed, the
lf looking symbol and dots Z circle across.

527
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:50.800
Anyways, it came out as an
anagram. It says fourteen or four

528
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:58.000
I couldn't. But anyways, Gambino
East Kansas Union goons killed John Kennedy and

529
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:06.559
Union red Robert Kennedy fourteen or four, launder labor union pension Vegas, East

530
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:10.159
State Line, Nevada. And uh, there's so many stories later on after

531
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:17.159
this time period that that was one
of the reasons why they're going after HAFA

532
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:23.280
for, you know, laundering the
money three State Line, Nevada. Well,

533
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:27.880
and that and I was just there
showing a few of the work,

534
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.079
some of the work that you've done
on this particular card and all of the

535
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:34.159
information that was used. And it
looks like we have one last solve on

536
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:40.440
page fifty three, fifty three.
Okay, let us do it? Yes,

537
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:49.800
yes, yes, fifty three,
Well that would be the sun the

538
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.079
hold on a second, Oh,
is this a different solve? So victims,

539
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.360
Well, we haven't gotten that card
yet, so I'll push that one

540
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.199
forward. All right. Well,
that gives us about two minutes for any

541
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:07.480
last minute comments or considerations in regards
to what we were just hearing on that

542
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:12.239
particular solve. Nolan, did you
have anything you'd like to ask? The

543
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.599
people she mentioned were all there in
Dallas that day, and you know in

544
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:20.639
the area in daily plaza. But
leeve hours he was in the tower in

545
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:24.159
the rail yard. He worked for
the railroad company, and he died mysteriously

546
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:30.239
about a year and a half later. Jack is saying that he that's the

547
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:35.760
reason why he killed him. Lee
Bowers Junior said he thought somebody poisoned his

548
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:40.079
his food or his coffee, and
he wrecked his car and died. Yeah.

549
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:51.320
Yeah, So testified for the War
Commission that he saw movement behind the

550
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.159
fence, but but the trees were
in a way he couldn't see completely.

551
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:58.320
But after the shot was fired,
when the shot was fired the head blow

552
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:04.599
to Kennedy, he noticed a flash
of light and saw smoke from behind the

553
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.599
fence of the grassy Knoe. So
I think I don't know if he was

554
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:12.639
involved, but he was definitely a
witness, and he was a bad news

555
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:16.280
for the perpetrators, so they killed
him. Well, Jack is saying that

556
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:21.960
he was on the railroad tracks.
There was two on the railroad tracks.

557
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:27.599
Well, he was a fourteen foot
tower behind in the railroad area. Yeah

558
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:34.679
so, Well, but this is
very unusual because this is coming out in

559
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:42.119
nineteen seventy where nobody was talking about
this. Nobody was talking about I'm amazed

560
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:46.199
because I've done the Dallas conferences and
I keep in touch with people. I

561
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:52.519
said, there's been hundreds of books
written after nineteen seventy six, especially because

562
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:58.239
of you know, all right,
guy, that's our time limit. We're

563
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:00.400
done right now. So I want
to be able to wish everybody a wonderful

564
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:06.079
weekend. I hope your holidays are
rounding out nicely for you and everybody is

565
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:09.159
ready for Christmas. I want to
thank you Nolan and Harriet for both being

566
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:15.960
here again today, and you guys
have a wonderful weekend as well. Wet

567
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:21.000
Christmas. Yes we do the twenty
second perfect Okay, cool, all right

568
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:22.599
you guys, we'll talk to you
soon. Take care, Thank you,

569
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:24.480
bye bye bye