July 11, 2025

More Murders, Letters, and Solves

More Murders, Letters, and Solves
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Communications begin again just to let everyone know that the Zodiac Killer is still out there. After announcing 100+ murders all over CA and NV, one has to wonder is this author the most prolific serial killer of all times or is he taking credit for a group’s work just to confuse law enforcement? Solves by Harriette Sucher will accompany these new communications, and the murders that surround them.

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Good Morning, True Seekers and True crime Junkies, Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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Welcome to the show today. Nolan del Campo, Good morning, everybody,

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Good morning, and Harriet Souchet, good morning, Good morning.

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All right.

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I got at least one answer to the Peter Wilson case.

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I have about four letters from him. I have not

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matched up the responses to the questions that I've asked.

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It has been a very busy week. He did indicate, though,

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and I did pick up on the motive now, so

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every time I thought he was referring to four hundred

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dollars that was taken from the backpack, I thought, well,

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that might be a decent amount of money in nineteen

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ninety six, though it didn't seem like a lot for

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somebody to chance their career on. He actually stated in

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this one of his responses that he had four hundred

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thousand dollars in that backpack. Now we can talk about motive,

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because we couldn't really quite understand why this police officer,

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inside of a single day would want to go and

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frame him so quickly. Put it to rest, get him incarcerated,

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take him off the streets. He's now a murder. Nobody's

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going to listen or believe a word he says. So. Yes,

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evidently there was four hundred dollars in the front pocket

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of this backpack, but there was four hundred thousand dollars

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on the inside of this backpack.

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How did you get so much money?

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That's the one question I did not glean from as

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much as I attempted to read out of the responses

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that he had given. So I'm I'm going to again

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match up the responses to my questions and then re

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send out a letter with a specific request. I did

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ask how he came up with the three hundred thousand. Again,

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I did not get an answer to that, at least

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I don't believe I did. Again, I was quickly reading

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through it. He sent me four different responses at four

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different times. But when I saw the four hundred k,

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I thought I must have misunderstood this from his previous

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responses that it was four hundred dollars that was missing

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from the backpack. Four hundred thousand now all makes sense.

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So is he in Palo Alto.

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In Palo Alto, he's a thirty one year old student

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at Stanford University. He works for hospitals. At this point,

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I again do not know how he has this type

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of money at this age. It could be an inheritance,

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it could be family money. I have no clue right now.

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But also didn't he loan the deceased a bunch of

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money too.

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Three hundred thousand on the first of March. So now

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on the thirty thirtieth of March or thirty first of March,

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he has four hundred thousand in his backpack. So I

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don't know what he was up to, what he was doing.

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I don't want to make any conjectures in regards to it,

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But now the motive made sense. I kep wondering this

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entire time, what would cause officer or to want to

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hem him up so quickly as the murderer and to

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incartrate and put him away for a crime he didn't commit.

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And now this would be a valid motive. We know

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that your officer, your did an illegal search and seizure

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on his backpack on March thirty first, via the missing

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and maybe now it's him that removed those missing culpable

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piece exculpable pieces of evidence which are the alibis for

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mister Wilson from his backpack. He clearly removed them on

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the thirty first, before the search warrant was issued. He

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copied them, put them in the police file, and then

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subsequently those pieces of evidence that would have exculpted mister

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Wilson were removed from the police file with an inserted

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page indicating that it had been removed. And I do

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have somebody working on getting me samples of the players

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of this game they're handwriting, so I can make a

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determination as to who it was that signed off that

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they removed that evidence from the police file with your

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did the search not until April first, So that's the

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kind of the kicker there. The search warrant. You got

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to remember, the thirty first is a Sunday. Nobody's giving

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nobody's putting out search warrants on this day right the

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judges and in chambers until Monday, so April first, he

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issues the search warrant which includes the backpack and the

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home of Kim. So we see Officer I believe it

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was Officer Brooks that completed that search the susposedly the

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first search of the backpack on April first, in which

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case only four hundred dollars where it said it said

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small change or something like that in the actual evidence

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report where they had searched the backpack and it indicated

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there was a small amount of money. And that's what

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I thought had been taken this entire time, was that

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small four hundred dollars. So but we see no mention

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of the fact that this search had actually taken place

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and things had been taken from the backpack on the

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thirty first by Officer Your, until we found out that

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the alibi evidence marked mister your stating that it was

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removed from the backpack on three point thirty one ninety six,

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previous to the actual search warrant. So I now at

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this point, this is a fantastic motive for Officer Yore

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to have have caused mister Wilson to be the suspect,

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and and basically frame him for this particular murder by

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applying his blood to the crime scene.

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Do we know how big the backpack is because it

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seems almost impossible, even if they're all hundred dollars bills

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to fit four hundred thousand dollars in one backpack.

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Well, three hundred thousand was witnessed by by two individuals

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in regards to the payment that was given to miss

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Kim on three to one, so we know three that was, well,

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that was in the backpack and witnessed by one of

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the friends that took Peter Wilson to the bank to

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obtain the money from the security box. So we know

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that he said he saw the bundles, but he did

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not actually see the cash itself. So I'm assuming what

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he was looking at was probably bundles inside either envelopes

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or something, and the backpack was big enough to hold

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that three hundred thousand. Now my bigger question, yeah, which

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is going to be a follow up question, was did

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this backpack accompany him to San Francisco? Was he walking

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around with four hundred thousand dollars or did he go

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to four hundred thousand or go to San Francisco to

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pick up this four hundred thousand, and now the law

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money laundering aspect of things that's kind of coming into play.

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And regardless of what kind of illegalities mister Wilson was

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committing at this time, if he was, and I'm not

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saying he was, but if he was, it doesn't make

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him a murderer. So a lot of times, like I'm saying,

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these suspects and these cases here that we're looking at

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in this PowerPoint presentation, is that a lot of the

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suspects were either pedophiles or they are robbers. There are

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all these things that don't constitute them actually being convicted

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of murder because they're not murderers. So I'm hoping that

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we will get those answers, and I will follow up

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on the responses that he gave me. Hopefully next week

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I'll have answers to some of the questions I've asked

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and gotten out another letter to him for him to

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explicitly explain how this man has seven hundred thousand dollars

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inside of a thirty day period.

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That's crazy. Yeah, especially in the mid nineties, it's a

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lot of money.

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Yeah, that's a lot a lot of money. Yes, I

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hear you, And he's back and forth between Palau Alto

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and San Francisco, and we know that that's where the

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money is in California one of the places anyways, right.

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That the era Silicon Bellys is blooming, he started that

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the money was.

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Flowing, and maybe he invested. I mean, there's a lot

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of ways he could have had this money, just because

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I've never had an't.

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Well.

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And he's also keeping it in security boxes instead of

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in the actual bank itself where it could accumulate interest.

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So there's questions as to why you know, you would

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put it into a box in a bank, but not

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in a bank to be held unless he feared that

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banks would have issues such as when you know, the

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market crashes and all of a sudden everyone notifying the rrs. Well,

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and then that brings us back to illegalities. Why don't

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you want the I r S to know you have

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this money? Either way, that that is now them that

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we have been looking for. We've been questioning this entire

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time why Officer your would want to have him convicted

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as a as a criminal for murder, and now the

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evidence is kind of lining up and showing us what

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is going on. And if mister if officer, You're removed

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the exculpable evidence like his alibi evidence from the backpack

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on the thirty first, Then what else did he removed

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on the thirty first before the actual legal search and

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seizure was done on April first with the officer Brooks.

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So I'm going to leave it at that, and we're

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going to move right back into the zodiac. Yeah.

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Did the taxi driver testify. He did, Rile he did,

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he did, and he did all those testimony. He backed

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up Wilson right completely.

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He stated when he got there to pick Wilson up,

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there was a vehicle in the driveway under a car cover,

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which everyone else has already acknowledged, including Coleleman, that she

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did not have a car cover and that her BMW

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was gone. That well, the the cab driver did not

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see a BMW in the driveway. Mister Wilson testified that

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the BMW was gone, but an alternate car was under

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a car cover in the driveway. The taxi cab driver

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testified to the fact that yes, there was a car

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under a car cover, and then mister Coleman, when he

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got home at eight thirty at night, indicated that the

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BMW was in the driveway. There was not a vehicle

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in the driveway with a car cover on it. And

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then miss Kim did not own a car cover, and

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you could tell by the condition of the paint on

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her car. And then the Tap taxi cab driver also

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testified to the fact that he didn't believe that he

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was the one responsible for slamming mister Wilson's hand in

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the car door, but it did happen. He made an

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incident report. He felt that mister Wilson was probably culpable

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for slamming his own hand.

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In the door.

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I don't know either way. It did get slammed, and

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there is medical records that support that mister Wilson was

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in the hospital for at least I want to say,

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six or so hours in San Francisco being addressed to

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the broken fingers and the porn nail off of his pinky,

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all which occurred at the cow trans station in San Francisco.

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So I'm just now stating we have a motive. I

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kept saying, I don't know, I don't know why this

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officer would do this. I wanted to lean towards other

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illegal business like money laundering and drug trafficking and him

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protecting you know, those that were doing it. But now

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it appears he was just on the take for himself

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and that was a lot of money. Like you said

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back in the day, that would probably be enough to

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steer one bad cough.

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Into one last question before we move on, where was the.

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Uh Well, Wilson was at home, so it would have

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been in his bedroom. Wilson was at home when he

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found miss Kim, So.

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Yes, his room is not where the crime scene.

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Was correct, correct, And.

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It's a personal property within a separate room. It's not

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part of the crime scene illegal search.

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Correct, And that's his complaint at this point in time.

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So basically it even states when he was taken to

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the police department to get his blood drawn, the rape kit,

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the gunshot residue done, this clothing was collected. When everything

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was taken from him down at the police station, he

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had asked for his phone book so that he could

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make phone calls to attorneys and other people he knew,

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and he was denied access to that phone book because

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it was inside the backpack and they said that was

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evidence at this point in time that was in the

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evidence room and that it unless he gave them permission

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to search that backpack. He could not have that phone book,

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and he said, nope, I will figure it out on

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my own. You are not to search my backpack. And

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probably because he had that four hundred thousand in there,

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I'm guessing that that's why he wouldn't allow them to search,

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because otherwise you could. I mean, it's no different than

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getting pulled over for a for a duy check. You

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have an opportunity to blow and clear yourself.

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Right.

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If there was nothing in that backpack that you didn't

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want somebody to see, you would have said, searched my backpack.

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There's nothing in there that's gonna, you know, cause me

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to be culpable for this crime. So I think that

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now we have our mo and that makes it a

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little bit more solid because we were just a little

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sketchy on that the whole time I was doing the

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wrongful conviction upon cast. So here we go December eighth

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of nineteen eighty six. We are finally at the end

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of nineteen eighty six. We have twenty nine year old

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Rita May Hughes in Houston, Texas at a bus station.

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She went missing. She's a white female, five foot five

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inches one hundred and fifteen pounds, brown hair, and blue eyes.

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Last known address was in Magnolia, Texas. Her husband drove

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her to the bus station, but the relatives said she

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never made it. Now, Houston is kind of that greater

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area where we know Flova was living around at this

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particular point in time, and it is not beyond Jack.

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But we do see pictures back that indicate that they

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were in other plate well, it doesn't indicate Jack was.

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This is Nora's handwriting that I'm looking at, because December

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of nineteen eighty six it says Christmas in California is

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at Mary's in Stockton. Uh, and we see you know,

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the kids and Mary. God, what a gorgeous girl she

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is anyways, and they also had pictures which I did

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not find just as of yet the first pictures we'd

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seen of Denny I had written and here in the

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presentation I went back to search for him. But it

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is with Denny, his wife Sharon, and the kids at

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Jack's house on Kirby during Christmas. So it does put

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at least Nora in the family in a Sacramento area

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for Christmas and Stockton area for Christmas. But I did

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not see Jack in any of the photographs, So I

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really don't know where he is at at this point

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in time. All right, I love you.

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How did I come up to Chiapella already? Oh man?

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All right, So I had some information on this. I

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thought this was coming up next week. I had actually

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removed this particular murder from the podcast, from the possible

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zodiac stuff. But then I got new information which I

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have not entered at this point, and it's on January

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of nineteen eighty seven, William and Catherine Chiapella in Chico, California.

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They were found bound, gag and stabbed multiple times and

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bludgeoned on the head with a fire extinguisher. Article says,

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reminiscent to the Manson murder, it's well to do prominent

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members of the community. It's a home break in. Suspect

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wrote on two bathroom mirrors and lipstick just the beginning.

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And so that's why I initially put this in here,

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because we saw the Pennsylvania murder of one of the

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Manson family members, where he wrote Jack and Jill goes

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down the hill in lipstick, I believe on the mirror

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in one of the bathrooms of the hotel room where

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the Manson family member was found murdered. We also saw

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the writings on the wall in the Keddy murder area.

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Stephen Crittenden was sentenced to death for the crime, and

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so this was future. So I literally had the murders

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in here, thinking it's a possible zodiac and then I

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found out Stephen Crichteneden was sentenced to death for crime.

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The evidence or an eyewitness putting him in the area

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footprints in the home. However, he was hired by the

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Chiapellos to do part time yards even though we never

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actually did any work, and it is likely he was

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in their home. There was blood on the shoes found

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in his apartment, but it does not state if the

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blood was a match to either of the victims. Sheets

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were used to bound the victims were in the same

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strawberry pattern as some found in his home, so a

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similar pattern. They are not saying that they're identical sheets,

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but I mean, if a strawberry pattern is like out

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for the massive public, especially at the lower income levels,

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it's likely it's available to a lot of people. Crichtenon

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was a football player for Chico State, and this is

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where I wonder how and why he would jeopardize any

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possible career he might have at this point. The writings

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on the mirror take a special six someone as I

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put in it and in lipstick, saying it's just the beginning.

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So it says Crichton and has been granted a new trial.

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And I wanted to research that, and I did. I

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found an article on let's see if I can tell

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the date of this, twenty thirteen, and pretty much it says.

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The news that a federal judges ordered a new trial

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for former Chico State student convicted in nineteen eighty nine

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of the murders of a prominent Chico physician and his

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wife has stirred memories of one of the most gruesome

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and racially charged cases in the city's modern history. In

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January nineteen eighty seven, doctor William and Catherine Cioppella, who

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were then sixty eight and sixty seven years old, respectively,

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were found in their Downing Avenue home by their son, Joseph,

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also physician. Both had been bound, gagged and stabbed multiple

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times and bludgeoned about the head with a fire extinguisher.

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There was evidence they had been tortured before being killed,

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and in the manner reminiscent of the Manson killings. The

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assailant had written a message in lipstick in two bathroom mirrors,

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just the beginning it read. So basically, they've stated that

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a federal district court judge has ordered a retrial in

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the case, basically stating that while there were some coincidences,

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it was not enough to have convicted him of these crimes.

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So there was supposed to be a retrial. Looks like

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I need to continue to follow up and find more

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information on that if I can to see that if

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he has been what's the word.

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A conspiracy no no, no, no, no no no, basically

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got off.

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Acquitted, to see if he was actually acquitted in the

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in the yeah, subsequent trial, So.

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A conspiracy to acquit him.

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Well, and I may have to put this right back

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in because we know that the Chico area is very

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close to the Keddy Cabin stuff, very close to Eureka,

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mister Adams. There's a lot of things that was happening

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in that area that has been associated with the Zodiac case.

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January twenty fourth of nineteen eighty seven, Eric koy And

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Martinez was nine years old. I believe that he had

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gone missing. I don't know that there was a body found.

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I have not found a lot of information on him either.

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And it did indicate that there was somebody from Martinez.

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On the murder map from Sandy Betts May twenty of

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nineteen eighty seven, twenty one year old Alexander legro Bala

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Castle in Woodbranch, New Caney, Texas. So we're still seeing

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murders that are going on in this area. It's Conroe,

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New Caney, Magnolia, all of these areas. I forty five

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galvin Ston, you know, that's kind of relatively close to

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the Houston area. Found in a drainage ditch in an

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undeveloped section of Wood Branch off Highway fifty nine year

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New Cany, Texas bound, stabbed, shot and burned. Now that's

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why I entered this one into the into the presentation,

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because we know that by fire, by gun, by knife,

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by rope was pretty much the zodiacs m O. And

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here we're seeing all four of those ms in this

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particular murder. Now we have a picture over here to

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the right of Jack and his what's that? Oh my god,

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are you thinking out loud? Jack in his security uniform

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in nineteen eighty seven the I forty five killings that

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took place in the eighties reported a man in a

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cop or a security like uniform spotted where girls had

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gone missing. So I wanted to throw that up there

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to show you how official Jack actually might have looked

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in his uniform, and that he could have been taken

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as a police officer or as they indicated, a security

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like uniform.

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This is really creepy because that's very much the type

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of uniform stuff that I saw in nineteen ninety five.

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Laid up what I saw.

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Anyways, So that's the kind of uniform material It was

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on that we talked about it.

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I think it was last show that.

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I mean, it almost looks like he's even wearing a

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badge on his hip. We see something that's kind of

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gold that is reminiscent and may very well be badge.

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Like I don't think that give security guards badges these days,

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do they?

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Where was this particular job at he was working for?

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Well, this house actually looks like something from Flova's house.

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This is the way it appears to me, is more

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something of Flova's house than it is of Jack and

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Norri's house. The inside pictures of Jack and Nora's house

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did not appear to be the same, but it feels

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reminiscent of something of his mom's house. And I want

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to say he was a security guard for Hewlett Packard's

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starting it says nineteen eighty three, though we don't really

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see him actively writing any reports or doing anything until

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nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty five. Actually, I want to

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say it was nineteen eighty four, in which case he

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stated for probation that he was a security contract security

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guard for Pinkerton at Hewlett Packard.

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And then that looks, yeah, that can actually look like

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a Pinkerton type because they would have a little Madge

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as Pinkerton.

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So it's more professional obviously than some of ours. All Right,

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So on June seventh of nineteen eighty seven, we have

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fourteen year old Erica and Garcia. She's at a teen

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club in Houston. She's found behind a vacant building. Again,

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this is a running mo in these cases with remoter

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vacant buildings lots. She's strangled to death. On July thirteenth

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of nineteen eighty seven Eddie and Joanne McMillan in Kingwood neighborhood, Texas.

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He's a Conico executive, so right back into gas and oil,

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and she's a real estate agent. The house is situated

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on a lake. They are bludgeoned to death in their

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bed entry into the homes. Like we saw in several

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of the of the unaccount or several of the accounted

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for murder scenes, it's ransacked. The house is ransacked, but

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nothing was taken of value, so that ruled out the

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mo of robbery. And it's called the ransack murder back

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in California. So robbery's very rare in this killer's m

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we haven't seen a lot. I know that Dennis believed

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that Jack or the Zodiac did actively take some jewelry

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from victims and have it melted down in order to

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make some money off of it, claiming that he had

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found gold while he was up in Nevada. But we

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very rarely see anything that has taken from any of

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these victims of the Zodiac cases where it appears to

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be robbery or as if they're trying to deter you

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from thinking that it's a random kill for any other

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reason other than robbery. There was two phone calls to

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the police to let them know that the McMillan's were dead,

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and one of the calls came from the residents itself. Now,

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this definitely sounds like a Zodiac m O. As with

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many of these cases, we did have phone calls from

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the suspect to the police media. Family. August seventh of

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nineteen eighty seven, Jack and Nora Mary Shicone remarry in Washo, Nevada.

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So now we see them actually remarrying. I half wonder

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if they didn't get a divorce simply because if they

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divorced and put everything in Mary's name while Jack was

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in probation or in jail for his little act of

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aggression with the assault with the deadly weapon, couldn't have

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caused him to suffer punitive damages or I mean, I

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don't know where the punitive damages would have been paid

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right back to him if he was literally still with Nora,

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because the assault was committed on the family. October of

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nineteen eighty seven, David Knobling and Robert Edward at Colonial Parkway, Virginia.

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Now this one's a little bit out of the way,

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but they were found shot nearby in a wildlife refuge.

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Theorized that the suspect posed as an officer in order

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to get them to pull over again. That's why I

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put it in here, because we see Jack looking like

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that stereotypical officer in his MILI in his security guard uniform. Now,

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the next communication that we're going to actually pick up

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on I found at Zodiac ciphers dot com. Harriet and

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I have been having some conversations in regards to this.

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Now I thought it was a former FBI agent that

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posed this particular website. You believe he's the current FBI agent.

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He's reportedly the cipher solver or cryptov or co department

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for the FBI.

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Now what so, so he's he's.

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Associated according to So why has it made his bio?

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00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.559
Would they allow him to run a website if he

467
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:46.119
was a current agent on evidence and information in an

468
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:53.759
unsolved case? Well, Nolan, do you think that that's possible

469
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:58.920
if he's an active agent? I mean, typically speaking, Dennis

470
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.480
and I would get know minimal amount of information out

471
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:06.799
of Chris Hopkins and uh hit Meyer, but we wouldn't

472
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:11.240
necessarily be given opportunities to see evidence that's in the file.

473
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.279
So would this FBI agent be allowed to run a

474
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:19.880
mainstream website on the unsolved murders with evidence never before

475
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:25.559
seen by the public. If it's an open case, he

476
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:30.119
would have to be FBI evidence. I mean, hold on,

477
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:34.440
and I'm happy to hear, go ahead, he.

478
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.519
Would he would have to get special permissive permission. But

479
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:42.000
the general policy is no, they don't give out information.

480
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:46.039
And typically they don't even right and typically they don't

481
00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:48.559
even appear in the media or on documentaries or anything

482
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:49.880
until after they've retired.

483
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.359
He's he's been in the media as the guy who

484
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:58.880
pulled the three forty and you know, it says his

485
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:02.519
bio is that he's working, that he's the cryptographer that

486
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:05.519
for the FBI, blah blah blah.

487
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:09.279
And it really to say, though, this is this is

488
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.640
a new letter we had not seen before, but it's

489
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:14.640
well we've seen I've seen before, We've talked about in

490
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.079
the past. It was it was put forth as though

491
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.720
it was a forgery or that somebody else wrote it,

492
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.599
even though I have substantiated that it is in fact

493
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.160
written by the Zodiac Killer. So basically it says October

494
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.160
twenty eighth, nineteen eighty seven, the.

495
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:33.200
Letter, that Zodiac letter. Yeah, I'm allowed, Yeah, go ahead.

496
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.240
Well we're going to see the actual visual part of it.

497
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:38.480
But this is just the type written version of it,

498
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.839
and it says the October twenty eighth, nineteen eighty seven

499
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.240
letter is questionable as to whether it was authored by

500
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.400
the Zodiac Killer, but did anything occur on Halloween night

501
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.119
nineteen eighty seven that would substantiate anything the author alludes

502
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.640
to in the letter. On October thirty first, nineteen eighty seven,

503
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:58.480
three days after the mailing of this correspondent, Shannon Oilson fifteen,

504
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:02.519
disappeared from Southeast Which area after she had decided to

505
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.359
venture out with friends on All Hollows Eve. Within hours,

506
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.799
she was found floating in a pond by two fishermen

507
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:11.640
in an industrial area by the now I thir five

508
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.119
and K ninety six in north Wichita. Shannon Olson had

509
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.480
been repeatedly stabbed over forty times. Discovered with her hands

510
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.519
bound behind her back by her own bra It was

511
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.559
presumed that her body had been dumped there, having been

512
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:28.119
abducted from a secondary location. The letter and the murder

513
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:30.839
were within days of each other, with the crime occurring

514
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.079
on Halloween night. The killer could have used his car

515
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.039
to temporarily disable the young girl before whisking her away

516
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.000
to the area of her murder, which may have been

517
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:43.519
the malicious intent of the perpetrator of the tamil Pious

518
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:50.119
Valley attack in Isabl Watson, oh On Isabl Watson, Shannon Olson,

519
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.480
in the eyes of somebody like the Zodiac killer, would

520
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.559
have been viewed as a kid, as she was only

521
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.720
fifteen years old. She was bound and brutally stabbed in

522
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.640
what can only be described as a frenzied attack, consisting

523
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.680
of over forty knife wounds. There are loose similarities to

524
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.119
the attacks at Lake Barriesa, the Hood Garcia murders, and

525
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.880
the Domingus Edward slains, all discovered near water. October thirty first,

526
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.839
nineteen eighty seven, was also a Saturday, in alignment with

527
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.920
the Zodiac's four confirmed attacks at Lake Herman Road, Blue

528
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:21.720
Rock Springs Park, Lake Barriessa, and Presidio Heights, which all

529
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.279
took place on Friday or Saturday. So basically, he's got

530
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.319
the typewritten version over here. They are editor this is

531
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.240
now okay. I hate it when people type things unlike

532
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:35.880
the actual letter, because I think that it's very important

533
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:39.400
that the letter be read at verbatim, because it tells

534
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.119
us more the mindset, the linguistics, and what we're matching

535
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:44.039
up to the Zodiac. So I'm just going to kind

536
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.559
of fast forward. We'll read the letter once I get

537
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:50.200
to the actual letter. So Halloween nineteen eighty seven murder,

538
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:53.880
San Rafel, California authority said Tuesday that an attack on

539
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.200
a legal secretary twelve days ago in tamil Pius Valley

540
00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:59.440
might have been the work of the Zodiac killer. I

541
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.079
think it's a good chance it was him. Napa County

542
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:06.279
Sheriff's Captain Ken Narlo said Miss Isabel Watson, thirty three,

543
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:08.599
was walking on Pine Hill Road near her home on

544
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.000
April seventh when she was knocked to the ground by

545
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.240
a car. So this is fitting with the letter.

546
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:14.440
She said.

547
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:16.680
The driver got out, told her he was sorry, and

548
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:19.680
offered to drive her home. She said, she refused, and

549
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:23.119
he became angry. Sounds like the Zodiac or at least

550
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:26.119
another one of those cases. The assailant stabbed her and

551
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.880
she was and she screamed. The man fled and Miss

552
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:32.799
Watson was taken to Marin General Hospital for treatment. Nnalo said,

553
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:34.839
I've been chasing the SOB for two and a half

554
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.759
years now, and Miss Watson's description seems to fit him

555
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.240
to a t. The Zodiac Killer has claimed in cryptic

556
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:44.680
notes to police and newspapers that he has taken seventeen lives. Now,

557
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:47.519
I love that we're in nineteen eighty seven on this letter,

558
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.279
and this man is reporting the fact that seventeen. We've

559
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.920
seen a letter that reported one hundred in nineteen eighty six,

560
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:57.960
shortly before these communications, but he has not been heard

561
00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:59.039
from for about a year.

562
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:07.119
Also in a Marine county, So I interviewing a marine

563
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.039
uh law enforcement officer.

564
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.559
Or somebody from San Francisco since they took over the case.

565
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.119
Long since took over the case.

566
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.599
Say it's just something really quick. Yeah, because the site

567
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:25.599
notoriously does things like this. It looks like that's two

568
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:31.519
different parts of some article and there's no mentioned just

569
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:35.400
as up I. So there's a lot of questions there,

570
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:39.400
you know, is this Yeah, what's what's the date with newspaper?

571
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.799
Blah blah blah. You're right, you're saying that maybe it

572
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:43.880
was cutting paste together.

573
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.279
Yeah, I'm going to show you. Yeah, I'm going to

574
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.920
show you where it is right here, And she's absolutely correct.

575
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:54.480
It starts. The Zodiac Killer has claimed in cryptic Now,

576
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.240
this particular line itself is obviously not lined up and

577
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:01.519
does not have the same just between it and the

578
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.440
other portions of that paragraph. We can also see that

579
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.799
the why and the P are cut. The lower extenders

580
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:11.279
of the crypt y and P are missing, which means

581
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:13.680
that somebody did in fact cut that, and it is

582
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.519
also slanted in an angle that is not consistent with

583
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:19.640
the rest of the article. So you're absolutely right, there is.

584
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:24.039
But we know that they've been, you know, turning and

585
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.640
doing what they want with this evidence to portray it

586
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.039
the way they want to to the public, and no

587
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:31.759
different here. We are seeing these types of differences that

588
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:33.799
we should not have seen. This would have lined up

589
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:37.160
had this been an actual single print of an article.

590
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.680
So the Zodiac killer is claimed in cryptic notes to

591
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.400
police and newspapers that he has taken seventeen lives, but

592
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.200
he has not been heard from for about a year.

593
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.759
Law enforcement agencies said he has only been linked definitely

594
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.920
to six San Francisco Bay area killings. Now I want

595
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:58.079
to know what those are. Where are the six? Where

596
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.839
are the six guys? Because right now it stands they

597
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.720
have Major America believing that he killed five people and

598
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:07.480
attempted to kill seven. So where's who's number six?

599
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:07.640
Now?

600
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.119
Unless they're including Sherry Joe Bates at this point. But

601
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:14.400
this says in San Francisco by.

602
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.039
Killed in San Francisco right in a ticket.

603
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.239
Yes there was. Well, I don't know that he was

604
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.480
in San Francisco. I know he was in the Bay Area.

605
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:23.440
But this is a looting.

606
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:31.440
And those of us who know this region, NAPA is

607
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:33.880
not in the Bay Area. It is in the North

608
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:37.400
Bay Area. So we got a lot of things going

609
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:41.840
on here that are inconsistent. Correctly, well, this is six

610
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:46.400
San Francisco Bay Area killing. That would be a locality.

611
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:55.719
So that even though Barriesa isn't in the Sanscay area.

612
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:57.679
Either, you had.

613
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:03.000
Include, dude, you had to include the Valeo, the Lakerman Road,

614
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:03.519
you have to.

615
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.880
Blackrock Springs, and that's all could be considered.

616
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:14.480
They could be could be all right. So the Zodiac

617
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.239
Killer or a copycat, says mailed a letter to the

618
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:20.679
Valeo Times Herald on Wednesday, October twenty eighth, nineteen eighty seven,

619
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.079
claiming he would be driving around on a Halloween night

620
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:26.000
and his death machine looking for some kiddies to run over,

621
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:29.280
and that cars make nice weapons. He also made reference

622
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:32.639
to the movie The Car directed by Elliott Selverstein and

623
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.280
released in nineteen seventy seven, about a Satanic driverless car

624
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.480
that embarks on a series of hit and run desks,

625
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:44.159
and it says, here's a review of the correct the

626
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:48.639
Zodiac modus apperandi, if any can really be established, involved

627
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:51.280
attacks where he tended to seek out couples and cars,

628
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.880
the only deviation being the Presidio Heights slain of taxi

629
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.639
cab driver Paul Stein in October eleventh, nineteen sixty nine.

630
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.280
Yet still a vehicle was integral to the crime scene. Now,

631
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:05.199
but he would they would have to have included Cherry

632
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.800
Joe Bates, because here he is now saying just the

633
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:11.719
seven victims, which we know two survived, Cherry Joe Bates

634
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:17.039
also had a vehicle involved in that particular mo as well.

635
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:18.920
That's far from the area.

636
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:20.760
Though it is far from the Bay area. That's what

637
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.199
I'm saying. I don't understand who they're claiming the six

638
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:23.960
victims to be.

639
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.280
My best guest is the cop that was killed right

640
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:33.719
around the name done in sentences go. But nobody really

641
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:37.400
attributed that to the Zodiac. It's just another unsolved murder.

642
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:40.360
That That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, That's what I'm saying.

643
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.360
That has no I mean, well, while people have surmised

644
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.199
that it could have been the Zodiac that did it,

645
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:48.639
we we don't have any definitive clues. And that is

646
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:52.480
not their hard pressed story that we've been fed all

647
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:57.000
these years. Uh, it says, let's see here, Well, what it.

648
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:59.119
Was with him is that there were other murders going

649
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:03.760
on races going around at that same time, and they

650
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:07.079
were trying to blame it on some sort of racial motive.

651
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.679
Right. Well, and that we see that in several of

652
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:16.320
the cases. Let's see, the only deviation being the Presidio

653
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.440
Heights slein of taxi cab driver Paul steyned in October eleventh,

654
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.400
nineteen sixty nine. Yet still a vehicle was integral to

655
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.360
the crime and searching for crimes based upon the threats

656
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:28.000
outlined in the nineteen eighty seven letter, where the author

657
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.320
had used his car as a potential weapon. We shall

658
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.320
examine the murder of a young girl in Wichita on

659
00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:37.239
October thirty first, nineteen eighty seven. Is there a Wichita

660
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:43.920
in California, Kansas? I know, so I'm not really quite understanding.

661
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:48.760
In Wichita on October thirty first, nineteen eighty seven. But

662
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:50.679
first we will take a look at a brutal attack

663
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:52.599
on a lone woman in Marin County who had a

664
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:56.840
terrified encounter one dark night in nineteen seventy two. Now

665
00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.599
it's saying nineteen seventy two, Like dear Lord Bill Watson,

666
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.280
thirty three and just got off the bus on the

667
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:05.079
evening of April seventh, nineteen seventy two, and was walking

668
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:09.679
home alone along Pine Hill Road, tamil Pias Valley, Marine County,

669
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.280
at nine pm. I don't know why we're visiting something

670
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.599
in nineteen seventy two when the letter is written in

671
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.320
nineteen eighty seven claiming it's going to be a future

672
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:19.760
crime that he commits. So I get all kinds of

673
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:23.119
confused as to why they're mismatching these kinds of things together.

674
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.039
What's he say about this one? Did she actually get killed?

675
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:32.800
We already read the article, so I'm not going to

676
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.760
reread what he has to say. He's just repeating what's

677
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.960
in this San Refel, California, which now is is not

678
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:45.599
in Wichita. She's she's in Uh what's us say? San Refel,

679
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.800
Marine County and tamil Pias. Yeah, and we know tamil

680
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.800
Pias is one of the points on the murder map.

681
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.360
But again, I believe that it's possible that Sandy Betts

682
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:57.719
wrote that thing up and she would have included all

683
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:03.000
of these unsolved murders as a potential attack. Yeah, so

684
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:08.039
it's basically saying Marin County. So I don't understand why.

685
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:13.239
It's like it's purposely meant to confuse you, distract, cause issues.

686
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.079
Again that her description of the man alerted investigators to

687
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.559
a possible Zodiac connection. Out of a man with a

688
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.760
heavy rimmed, black glasses in his early forties, five foot

689
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:26.000
nine inches in height, and short brown hair, it was

690
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.440
not overlooked by police. And I think that Gaikowski's much

691
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.920
taller than five foot nine so interesting that Tom Voy

692
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:35.440
has hung on to Gaikowski as long as he could.

693
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.480
It was not overlooked by police that the killer had

694
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:41.360
attempted to lure the woman into his vehicle, not dissimilar

695
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:44.559
to the method employed in the modesto abduction of Kathleen John's.

696
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:48.480
Napa County homicide detective Kenneth Narlow believed in a greater

697
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:52.480
than fifty chance of a Zodiac connection, bearing in mind

698
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:56.079
the description given by Isabel Watson, and that April seventh,

699
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:59.400
nineteen seventy two, once again fell on a Friday. Zodiac

700
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.280
crimes of Herman Road, Blue Rock Springs, Lake Barry S,

701
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:06.760
and Presidio Heights were on Friday, Friday, Saturday, and Saturday, respectively.

702
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.840
And then there was a response by Sandy Betts. Did

703
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:12.519
you know that there were two nineteen eighty seven letters sent,

704
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:16.000
one to vth which is the Valeo Tines Harold, and

705
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:18.960
the other to the San Francisco Chronicle. I still believe

706
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:21.559
that all three of the letters, the eighty six and

707
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:25.199
eighty sevens, were from Zodiac. She's correct. I never did

708
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:28.079
like the so called experts opinions. None were very good

709
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.679
except Sherwood Moral. The others would disagree with Moral. They

710
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:34.480
never could agree on many of the z letters. Then

711
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.440
when one would change his mind, the others would follow.

712
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.400
What a joke. And I do appreciate that comment from

713
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:44.239
her because she is absolutely correct. I do believe in

714
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.119
Sherwood Moral and his assertion that these letters were all

715
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:50.039
written by the same person. Now she's talking about two

716
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.519
nineteen eighty seven letters, We're about to see one. We

717
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:56.639
already talked about the nineteen eighty six last year. So

718
00:40:56.800 --> 00:41:00.199
here is that nineteen eighty seven letter. I had long

719
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:03.400
been searching for where to place this chronologically in the

720
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:08.480
PowerPoint presentation. It does not surprise me by any means

721
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:13.400
that the other letter that was purportedly stated as to

722
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:16.599
being a fraud or a fake that Tashi had committed

723
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:19.639
it was nineteen seventy eight. We just have a reverse

724
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:23.199
of the years here. But we see the envelope is

725
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:27.320
very similar to the actual letter itself. And this is

726
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:33.039
what the letter says, verbatim, Dear editor, this the Zodiac speaking,

727
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:36.800
I am crack proof. Tell herb Kane that I am

728
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:39.679
still here. I have always been here. Tell the blue

729
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.000
pigs if want me, I will be out driving around

730
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.280
on Halloween in my death machine looking for some kiddies

731
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:50.360
to run over cars make nice weapons. Them pigs can

732
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.679
catch me if they can find me out there, just

733
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.599
like in the movie The Car. Tell the kiddies watch

734
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.599
before they cross the streets on Halloween night. Tell Tashi

735
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:04.880
my plans, Yours truly is blank. Zodiac says, guess what

736
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.760
was the Zodiac symbol? Hyphen guests and VPD, which is

737
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:13.320
Valeo Police Department hyphen zero Now this is the one

738
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:16.119
that went to Valeo Times, Harold, and the makeup of

739
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.519
the envelope is pretty much identical to the nineteen seventy

740
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.760
eight letter that we have already discussed. One of the

741
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:24.559
things I wanted to point out, which I don't know

742
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:26.719
if you can tell me, Harriet, is that every time

743
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:30.519
he wrote the word they them or tell anything with

744
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.039
the capital T, he wrote with a capital T, even

745
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:35.840
though it should have been lowercase letters. Did that figure

746
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:36.760
into your solve?

747
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:42.960
Yeah, I was seeing that that's something to pick out

748
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.519
his stanographic code is to pick that out and set

749
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.239
the decide as a puzzle piece to work out Annabradja.

750
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:54.800
So basically, some of the consistencies that we have between

751
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.320
the nineteen eighty seven and the nineteen seventy eight letter

752
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:00.440
is the double stamps. There's the double liberty bell on

753
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.079
the nineteen seventy eight and then we have the double

754
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.679
it looks like of the People by the People for

755
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:09.920
the People twenty two and since stamp it looks like

756
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.199
it's over the top of uh. It's a flag basically

757
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.039
over go ahead. This is you know, there is to.

758
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:23.280
Be superimposed those stamps. Those two stamps are twice the

759
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:27.639
width of your normal stamps, so that that's huge. Yeah,

760
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.840
so these this is superimposed. This is anyways keep going

761
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.880
because once I started working on it, they said, we're

762
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:38.400
going to have some interesting issues.

763
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:41.960
It does look kind of unreal that the stamps are

764
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.639
clear as day, much larger than you would anticipate a

765
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.719
stamp to be, and nowhere near is blurry. Is the

766
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.960
actual writing on this particular envelope, So again brings back

767
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:56.599
into question how this FBI agent had access to producing

768
00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:59.440
or putting forth this evidence that is in the case

769
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:02.280
that means unsolved when the rest of the public would

770
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.599
be told, sorry, we can't release anything to you. This

771
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:06.840
is still an unsolved case that's being investigated.

772
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:10.880
Also, it's odd that there's no ZIP codes on either.

773
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.639
En blow well, and that's a Zodiac thing to do,

774
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.639
you know, the initiated Zodiac codes. What was that, Harriet?

775
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:22.360
When did Zodiac the zip codes came along seventies.

776
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.480
No, this started around nineteen sixty eight, nineteen sixty nine,

777
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:30.639
And I always remember this main zip the main rule

778
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:33.000
of Zodiac is always used zip code.

779
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:37.480
So well, we had many letters by the Zodiac that

780
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.679
did not have ZIP codes exactly.

781
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:42.000
Then it means if it's without the zip code, then

782
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:47.800
you have that in the code without zip code, there's

783
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:50.519
a standard, okay.

784
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:53.599
Right right, Well, and we saw one of the letters

785
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:59.199
literally postmarked by the by the post office that said

786
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.480
use zip code exactly.

787
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.920
Yes, Jack and Zodiac.

788
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.599
If it's not the same person or the group of

789
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:12.880
people that composed the Zodiac, they're smart enough to know

790
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:14.679
that we're supposed to use zip code.

791
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:15.920
So if it's not there, it was.

792
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:21.360
Done intentionally exactly. Now, this is kind of a cross

793
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:27.800
comparison of the basic information being provided in these particular

794
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:31.320
two communications from nineteen seventy eight and nineteen eighty seven.

795
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.960
Both of them refer to IRB. Kane. Now, I want

796
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.679
to point out that in both places he's not given

797
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.280
any proper recognition in his name, because both the times

798
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.920
that Rbcane is spelled, it's spelled with lowercase first letters

799
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:51.679
instead of capitalized, giving him the recognition for who he was.

800
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:54.800
So it's almost as if he's less than a person

801
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:58.039
to have printed his entire name in all lowercase letters

802
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:01.519
with no capitals. It also refers to Tashi in both

803
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.239
of these letters. It also says yours truly in both

804
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.000
of these letters, and it also says Zodiac guess in

805
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:09.679
both of these letters, so I do not see this

806
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:13.400
as a coincidence that they repeat nine years later on

807
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:18.719
and dates being very important, also almost strategically important to

808
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:22.360
the Zodiac. When it comes to these communications, they both

809
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:26.639
talk about a movie, which again not a coincidence. Albeit

810
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:28.800
the one in nineteen seventy eight is talking about a

811
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.079
movie about the Zodiac killer himself and who's going to

812
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:33.719
play him, And then the nineteen eighty seven letter is

813
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:36.440
actually referred to the movie The Car, And of course

814
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:39.760
I put the cover up there for we've.

815
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.239
We've done the nineteen seventy eight letter also where it's

816
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:46.119
in anyways, but it has the movie The Car there.

817
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.280
So no, the nineteen seventy eight letter does not have

818
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:51.079
the movie in the Car.

819
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:51.840
Yes it does.

820
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.320
I'm looking at it right now on the screen. It

821
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:56.719
does not say it does not say anything about the

822
00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:57.440
movie the Car.

823
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:00.400
We did it next year.

824
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:04.880
We were looking at both of these letters together last year.

825
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.239
I did not know what the date was on this

826
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:11.119
nineteen eighty seven letter, so we were looking at them

827
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:13.599
both together as if they were sent at the same time.

828
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.679
And now recognizing that this one is purportedly sent October

829
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.320
nineteen eighty seven. Only the one on the left here

830
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:22.159
refers to the movie The Car. The one on the

831
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:27.119
right actually says, I am smarter and better. He will

832
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.960
get tired than leave me alone. I am waiting for

833
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.719
a good movie about me who will play me. I

834
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:36.000
am now in control of all things. So the nineteen

835
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:38.440
seventy eight letter does not refer to the movie The Car,

836
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:40.840
even though it is one year after the making of

837
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.480
the movie The Car. I do get what you're saying.

838
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:45.519
There seems to be some type of a tie in

839
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.280
here that this letter came out one year after the

840
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.519
movie The Car, and then the nineteen eighty seven letter

841
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.960
is actually making reference to the nineteen seventy seven movie

842
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:56.519
The Car.

843
00:47:56.800 --> 00:48:01.119
But they're both in eighty seven. People refer back to

844
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:03.119
Herb Kane and talk to Again.

845
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:04.039
Who were both.

846
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:07.599
Explicitly the seventy eight letter. So I guess he's just

847
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.159
tie back.

848
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.199
It did, yeah, tie back. And that's what I've seen

849
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.519
a lot in these communications, is that there's always a

850
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:18.639
tie back, all right. So some of the other things

851
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:21.800
that we found consistent, Oh my goodness, we completely near

852
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:23.760
ran out of time, you guys, I didn't even get

853
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.119
my first morning sign, so we're down to basically the

854
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.599
last minute, and I was going to go into the

855
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:33.159
handwriting consistencies and some of the you know, we see

856
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:37.440
the heavy markups where they canceled things out. We're going

857
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.719
to have to get into this next week. I'm sorry it, Harry,

858
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:41.360
and I thought we were going to definitely make it

859
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:45.719
too the Solves. But I thank everybody for being here

860
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:48.840
once again, especially Nolan and Harriet. You guys always bring

861
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:51.800
great questions to the show. I'd like everybody to have

862
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:55.559
a wonderful weekend and we will see you next Friday

863
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:58.440
on the Solves. Go ahead, the.

864
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:02.800
Letter in the middle or second letter? What year is that?

865
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:10.159
Nineteen eighty six that is the one that passed out? Yes, exactly,

866
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:15.920
and they're very similar, exactly exactly. So I'm gonna show

867
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.079
how those all wrap each other up, and then we're

868
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:22.000
gonna climb right into some very exciting and informative solves

869
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:24.880
that Harriet has made with these they are absolutely mind

870
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.679
blowing and a lot of times they drop my jaw

871
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:32.960
because of the consistency that they do hold. So do

872
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:34.599
you have anything left, Harriet?

873
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.960
I just am gonna say we'll have a great weekend

874
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:42.880
and we'll desnarl all of this next week, all right,

875
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:43.400
you gots.

876
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:46.880
My brother was performing at the State Fair on.

877
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.800
Sunday, Dennis, then I went to Ireland. That I went

878
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.480
to Ireland with is performing at the State Fair in

879
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.480
her band. She's a singer as well, so that's awesome.

880
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.480
I'll catchat with you on that one. I'll have to

881
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:02.800
look it up, but I didn't post it. I'll talk

882
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:05.639
to you guys too. I gotta go, all right, take

883
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:22.280
care bye,