Jan. 3, 2025

More Media Magnets at Play and AGCK, Part 3… 1-3-2025

More Media Magnets at Play and AGCK, Part 3… 1-3-2025

Tip from a YouTube subscriber, I fell down another hole… More reasons why the news isn’t the truth. Getting the truth from these syndicates is absolutely jaw dropping. They control who, what, and when we believe something and usually it’s based off a...

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Tip from a YouTube subscriber, I fell down another hole… More reasons why the news isn’t the truth. Getting the truth from these syndicates is absolutely jaw dropping. They control who, what, and when we believe something and usually it’s based off a false portrayal. They have more power than LE, the government, and the Judicial System in vilifying someone. More on AGCK, and the death of child of a celebrity culpable for disinformation in the Zodiac Killer cases. It is who and what you know?!?

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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Happy New Year to everyone out there.

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It is twenty twenty five and I'm excited to say

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that we have Harriet Souchet back with us on the

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show today.

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Let's welcome her.

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Good morning everybody, It's going to be a great show.

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Good morning, Yes, it is well talking.

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The news and research today is that Jimmy Carter dies

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at age one hundred on.

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December twenty ninth of twenty twenty four.

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Now about fell out of my chair because we know

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that Harriet has solved that says, once Carter passes, the

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information about the Zodiac is supposed to come out. Do

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you still think that'll happen?

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Guess what they happened yesterday? All this Nazi stuff, which

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includes the people that may have been helping people in

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the United States. They somewhere's in Europe had freed up

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all that information from the nineteen forties. Still, so I

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was like, oh my god, it's starting.

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So you discovered something as early as nineteen forty two,

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was it?

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You were saying, yeah, okay, to make a long story short,

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which I can have quite a few, I'm in the

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hospital and they gave me some extra stuff that I

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normally don't take. I had coffee in the afternoon, so

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i'm i'm fn L for about twenty five hours. Free

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came free was sere, and I'm I'm channel surfing. And

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then I see this legend of Curly's gold stuff, speakery stuff,

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and jere's a cryptic letter from such and such. I'm

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seeing yours truly at the bottom, Jack W Jack capal

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f N and a dear friend. And I said, holy crap,

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I know this system.

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That's that's so tell me what that system is again?

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You you both that it was a Tell me what

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that system was again.

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This is standographic code for sure, and this is very

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early zodiac code, and it's the Holy Grail's saying that

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U something failed and this whole mystery letter that was

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sationalized in the Hearst newspapers. Okay, it's saying that that, okay,

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your system failed. It was going from the Navy to

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something and through Vancouver, and they did the fourteenth.

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I didn't get that one. I didn't get that one

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put into the presentation.

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Yet I'm excite me about it.

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I know, I know what did you call it the

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Washington Zodiac?

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What you called it a name? You called the system

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a name.

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At first, I wanted to call it this is a

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stupid fen but it's it's supposed to be the schlumc

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Mystery dead Men's first gold letter between two prost festers.

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One of them is A. R. Brown, also nicknamed Crazy Brown,

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then Volcanic Brown, and then from a deathbed person in

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San Francisco using the examiners brought up in there w

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Jack and I swear I saw an enlarged S and

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then then and it says yours truly and all this

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stuff that we recognized as the Zodia coade A friend,

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dear friend, you know, all capitalized, And I said, I

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know the system, and I send you an email and

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you're going to think I'm crazy myself. I'm waiting.

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Yeah, we'll get to Alan. I was just listening.

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You called it a particular name, and I can't think

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of what it was now, like either Washington Zodiac system,

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but it was from the early nineteen forties. Now, I

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want to remind everybody that we saw one of the

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original letters that we saw that was tacked to Bob

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Lord and it was a New Orleans murder on the

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docs that had the zodiac symbol on it, and it

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said he accidentally knew too much or something like that.

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And of course that means that this group, or this

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affiliation with these communications after the hits or the murders occur,

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is something that has been going on for quite some time.

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And I want to say that was nineteen thirty eight,

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so that even predates this letter that you're talking about

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in nineteen forty two. But we'll get back to that one.

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Let's finish up with some of our ners, like it

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express Jimmy Carter has passed, and then we'll start to

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see hopefully what Harriet says in these solves come to

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fruition and this information.

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Start to come out in regards to this group.

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Now I know that your solves have shown that the

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Zodiac killer is consistently reaching out to presidents for payment

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and remedy for the monster he felt the government had created.

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We're talking things like mk ultra Manchurian candidate, candidate hypnosis

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for hire lsd in a, drugs, the mobs, syndicate, Hitman,

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political and corporate espionage, and of course a serial killer.

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I did want to kind of talk just a few

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seconds about shadow banning. I just learned this particular statement,

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and it's something that I think that I have felt

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going on with YouTube for quite some time and their

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algorithm being messed up. So I did an episode with

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David of San Laquin Valley Transparency last week actually sorry

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this week on New Year's Eve. It was almost a

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two hour special where we just highlighted the most important

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evidence I thought anyways, in regards to Jack being the

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suspect of the Zodiac killings, and he had discussed that

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he had played Dennis Kaufman's documentary that I had put

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up during November while I was out of the country,

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and he stated that he had the lowest views that

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he'd ever seen on his show for quite some time.

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Once he played that take, your documentary and he felt

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he had been shadow band also stating that while we're

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on the show, we of course have people who are

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attempting to go and actually subscribe to my YouTube channel,

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and while several were capable of doing it, we also

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saw several people indicating they were not allowed to subscribe,

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which absolutely blows my mind. I mean, the buttons there,

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you can click it. Why isn't it subscribing, So again,

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that just goes to the suppression of the evidence that

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we're attempting to put out. I also received information from

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another YouTube follower who had indicated there was a connection

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between Rupert Murdoch. He was one of the owners of

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New Bedford Standard Times, which was the was part of

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the stop the Force bussing letter that we talked about

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last week. Now, the interesting part of that is that

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Ruper Murdoch goes on to be one of the biggest

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media magnets out there, owning Fox News and the Fox

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Entertainment Company, and he's in ownership with the New Bedford

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Standard Times with Dow Jones Company. I wanted to ask you,

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Harriet dow Jones Company. I know that I know that

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that's usually related to the stock market but is that

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also related to like Dow Chemicals.

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I'm it sounds indirectly familiar. So does you have Dow

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I think have the Dow Company and then the Dow

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Jones industrial complex that's the World Trade Center. I mean

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if there is a lot going on there.

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Okay, right, And Rupert Murdoch is also some of the

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research and we're going to talk about this later because

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there's a connection between Rupert Murdoch and John Walsh. And

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John Walsh of course ends up on America's Most Wanted,

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which is featured on the Fox channels. Uh, And Rupert

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Murdoch actually employs John Walsh. And we see that John

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Walsh will eventually get some letters in regards to his

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son being killed, which is going to happen, yes, which

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is going to happen here shortly. And of course there's

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a lot of information evidently in this particular case, and

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that YouTube subscriber wants to do a podcast with me

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to make those connections between the Zodiac and John Walsh.

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So it's going to be extremely interesting as we move

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along and things start to heat up here.

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So let me get us right on. Last week.

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We left off with Wuinovich and he his daughter was

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killed in a crosswalk and not coincidentally, as we know that.

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Harriet says, she's in the hospital right now. You are

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also just hit in a crosswalk.

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Correct.

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Yeah, I'm like, I wake up and in the hospital.

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They said, you've been in a traffic coalition. I said,

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I don't have a car. Now, that's the first thing

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I remember saying, tell me what happened. Okay, So but

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you still haven't even heard from the police. No, this

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is getting stranger and stranger by the minute. So I

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just keep calling, leaving a voicemail.

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So did they give you a name of the losser.

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The officer?

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Yeah?

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Did they name?

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I have the name of the responding officer, and then

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I have a case number that I had to find online.

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By the way, Well, it's so busy that they can't

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respond to you.

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I mean, I don't get it. I didn't think u

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Kaya was a very large city.

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Yeah. So I'm trying to find out more by judging

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from my injuries. They said, yeah, I was drug about

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one hundred hundred and fifty feet and in the sewer

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repair stuff. So you know, can you.

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Suffer from some fractures and some broken bones?

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Head injury and.

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Chip definitely hit it head injury, chip bones, and then

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the rest is gross. Okay, we'll bypass that. All right, Well,

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let's get back under the Can I say this part.

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I've always I've told you, I've always I wanted to

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grow up here. So they got stuff coming out of

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the glowing and it looks like plastic bulls. I've been

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a strong woman all my life, and then I've grown

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a pair twice.

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I was gonna say it always crossed me, as though

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you always had your own set either way. I was

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finishing off with Voinovitch last week when I was talking

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about his daughter having been struck in a crosswalk and

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that he was in the middle of primaries for an election.

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This, of course did not stop him.

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He ran.

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He did make office.

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And this is some continuation of some information I thought

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was interesting. Voenovich was considered shy, a rather low key politician,

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a description he adopted himself. Once elected, he met with

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Ohio Governor James Rhoades to solicit the state government's help

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in clearing up the city's debts. Vonovich negotiated a debt

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repayment schedule, and in October nineteen eighty with the state

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serving as guaranteur. Eight local banks lent Cleveland thirty six

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point two million dollars, allowing the city to emerge from default. Still,

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the city's economy continued to decline, and federal funding was cut.

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Two weeks earlier, voters turned down another five percent of

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income tax increase. The opposition was led by Kusinich, who

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had been keeping a low profile since losing the election.

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Winovitch said he would resubmit the tax issue on the

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February ballot to avoid facing a deficit in nineteen eighty one.

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That time, the voters approved the tax increase. By the

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time Winovitch was elected, Cleveland had become the butt of

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late night comedians, jokes about the Cayahoga Kyahoga River and

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Mayor Ralph perks hair catching on fire in separate incidences.

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And as only the major American city to go and is,

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and as the only major American city to go bankrupt,

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Winovitch took an aggressive approach. He reversed a defensive attitude

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rejected by the Cleveland media, going to war to say

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one of this country's greatest cities.

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Others soon jumped on board.

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For instance, the Smith Kramer Company, a local realty firm

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tried to restore the city's former glory by running a

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series of ads with photographs of downtown Cleveland caption take

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another look, It's Cleveland. In May of nineteen eighty one,

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The Plane Dealer That's another one of the newspapers that

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that insert was sent to by the Zodiac sent its

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Sunday subscribers bumper stickers reading New York's the Big Apple,

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but Cleveland's a Plum. The paper also passed out thousands

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of Cleveland's a Plum buttons and ran a huge picture

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of publisher Thomas Vale with his smile Voynovitch with a

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smiling Voinovitch beside him, throwing out the first plum at

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a Yankee Indian Indians game. Sportscaster Howard Cosell held the

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city during a baseball game, and Voinovich subsequently presented him

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with a.

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Key to the city. I don't know who Howard Cosell is.

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If that's an.

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Actor, right, I think it sounds familiar.

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Oh, sportscaster. Sorry, maah, all right, I don't.

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Know anything about sports. I'm going to duck right on

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out of that. A survey showed sixty five percent of

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residents of Greater Cleveland were satisfied with their life in

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the city, and the fifty seven percent claimed to be

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very satisfied. Even in nineteen seventy eight, a year of default,

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national poll found Detroit to be the city with the

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worst image, with New York City second and Cleveland fifth.

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The New Cleveland Campaign, a promotion agency formed in nineteen

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seventy eight, began sending out news releases promoting Cleveland's virtues

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and calculating reprints whenever it got a favorable story. But

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to show how much the New Cleveland had improved, it

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had to highlight how bad.

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The old Cleveland was.

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In particular, it stressed the city's nineteen seventy eight default

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of fifteen point five million dollars short term loans from

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local banks, even though the New York City owed nearly

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one hundred and fifty times as much when it re

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saved two point three billion federal bailout to avoid bankruptcy

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in nineteen seventy five.

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So that's extremely interesting.

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I guess he's kind of coining himself for having pulled

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them up and out of default, or preventing a bankruptcy

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from having to happen, and not exactly sure how he

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plays into this and why he would have been the

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subject or the target of the zodiac stuff. But when

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I'm following the media, like I just finished watching the

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Son of Sam docuseries watching Maury Terry I think was

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his name, he was attempting to become a reporter, I suppose,

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if you will. But he wrote a great article on

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the assassination of Martin Luther King, and when he got

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back to New York and provided it to the newspaper

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to write, they absolutely trashed it, threw it into the garbage,

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and rewrote something making it look like everything was absolutely

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fine and beautiful, even though the city where Martin Luther

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King had died was completely as there was riots going on,

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things were caught on fire, destruction just everywhere, as Maury

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described it. But that just goes to show you the

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media is only going to portray what they want you

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to see and hear.

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And that's kind of one of the things that Rupert

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Murdoch was touted for is.

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The fact that he was going to play the media

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however he wanted to in order to facilitate whatever curse.

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Like sensational stories make people think something's going on over

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to the left, went on to the right. Other things

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are happening, Messages being sent across. Uh. Yeah, he seems

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to have taken off where Hurst took off. But he

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is no William Randolph first, Okay, noakes the cake.

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Hurst was dirty.

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I think one of the things I heard that he

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had was quoted as saying is if you get the pictures,

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I'll make the war. So basically telling an investigative journalist

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to get pictures of bad things and then he would

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run these newspapers in order to push us into war.

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Absolutely disgusting. So more research on the newspaper companies that

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were in that particular insert is the Middletown Record or

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Times Herald Record, and they actually one of the prominent

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employees was Hunter Thompson and the future creator of the

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Gonzo journalism. He actually was fired by an editor, but

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he was actually working at the Middletown Record at one

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point in time. And of course I had somebody send

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me these letters. So what I'm looking at right now, Harriet,

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is the Hunter Thompson letters. Of course says some extremely

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interesting things like okay, here, so it's written to Ralph.

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I'm not sure who Ralph is.

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Okay, here it is, Ralph, and your filthy little art

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is nothing compared to the perfect truth and beauty of

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my story, which this all sounds to me very reminiscent

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of the Zodiac. And I'm not stating that the Zodiac

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wrote this. Is it possible that this was a writing

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that Hunter Thompson was asked to write on behalf of them?

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I have no clue, but it says, and by the way,

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I insist that you draw a small red heart on

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my arm, just in case some of the times more

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excitable readers missed the point.

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Did Jack have a red heart on his arm?

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Exactly? Yes, he did, That's what I heard, And he said,

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all right, his mom is worthy of a tattoo. The

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mom was in it in the.

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Heart, gotcha.

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Well, it goes on to say, anyway, I want the

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original art of this one. I deserve it. Thank you,

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And by the way, I will sue you under the

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Official Secrets Act if anybody publishes that horrible, degenerate cartoon.

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The jokes over, Ralph, You're you sucked on my back

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long enough. But thanks anyway for this rotten, pan sexual art.

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We'll be seeing it soon enough. Ipse locutour Love s Thompson.

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So I was sent these by somebody to compare to

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the Zodiac's writing, and I've found several differences in regards

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to the writing. It does look like it's written with speed.

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It doesn't look like it's a manipulation of handwriting by

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any means. So it's likely that this is in fact

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written by Hunter Thompson, and it is on Hunter Thompson paper.

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But I thought it was interesting just to note some

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of these coincidences that were going on, and so Yeah said,

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I'd actually show in my presentation, and this is from

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back in twenty thirteen, that this is a significant because

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Jack had a small red heart tattoo on his arm

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next to his mother's name, Flova, which may have been

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a norm for World War two tattoos. But we're tracking

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a serial killer here, not a one time war man.

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And did Jack show propensity to contact media, journalists, book

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writers and movie makers in the end. Now I find

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that he has, all the way through the progression of

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all of these crimes, he has reached out to the

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media and journalists and book writers and movie makers trying

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to tell his story. So I'm wondering if this wasn't

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one of them goes there. Oh, and then of course

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I had to put that next to one of Jack's

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pieces of paper, because he actually had paper that was

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very similar to the Hunter S. Thompson which has his

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name at the very top of it, and we can

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see it here on the presentation where he's written this

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letter to Dennis appears to.

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Be written on notepad paper. Oh.

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I also found it interesting that in one of the

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statements that Jack wrote in this in this letter to

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Dennis was use guys y O U S E. Which

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that's a mob term, right, use guys.

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Yeah, yeah, that would be that would be more like

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a hand to uh. You know, we have the Irish

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fan link to the mob for sure, so you know

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these guys what guys? Right.

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And in October thirty first of nineteen ninety seven, which

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is when this particular Hunter Thompson letter U is the era,

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Jack is still using the Nelda Street address, so lad

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laundering research on the Portland Telegram Republican leaning to oppose

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the Oregonian, which was Democrat controlling both sides of the

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political stances to keep others out of the market, and

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could not locate the owner after nineteen thirty one, but

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debe Cooper wrote to the Oregonian and the Atlanta Georgia

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child murderer included information about Portland Telegram.

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So that's why I brought.

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This one up in particular. And we're going to hear

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a little bit about the Portland Telegram. The Telegram was

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founded in eighteen seventy seven by Henry Pitdock, who founded

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The Oregonian sixteen years prior. His ownership connected the Telegram

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to the Oregonian. While the Oregonian was a solidly Republican paper,

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the Telegram tended to democratic in order to keep competitors

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out of the field. It is said to have dominated

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the afternoon news in Portland until the advent of the

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Oregon Journal in nineteen oh two. Beginning in the eighteen

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fifties and sixties, Oregon journalism was characterized by bitter editorial

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attacks among competing newspaper publishers, a condition referred to as

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the organ style of journalism. Ac MacDonald, one of the

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owners of the Telegram publishing company, was killed in a

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duel with James K. Mercer, assistant editor of the Portland

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b over an editorial dispute in eighteen seventy eight. Could

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you imagine if we could still handle things that way

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these days.

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Yeah, I think there was a duel in San Francisco too,

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you know, and then I think the the amlicably several

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things in the nineteenth century. They tried to shoot somebody

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with the duel, and so yeah, hey, it's wild wild

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West even in the MIDI and.

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Well, we know Dbe Cooper contacted the Oregonian. But those

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letters were actually coming out of the California area. And

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I pretty much already presented that information to everybody to

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show them that this was likely being done by somebody

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who lived in California.

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But you mentioned who was who was the gentleman that

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was running the Oregonian. You mentioned his involvement.

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That is Bill Hillier, who was making history as the

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first and he would say, I'm not an African American.

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I've been born here in America and my family's I'm

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just a colored guy. And of course you couldn't say colored,

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but he was.

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I'm going to continue.

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I'm going to continue on the last description because I

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think you'll find it interesting, says The paper had a

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high degree of turnover and its leadership in the first decade.

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One consistent presence was Katherine Amanda Coburn, sister of Harvey W. Scott,

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and Abigail Scott Dunaway, who were the editorial page from

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eighteen eighty three to eighteen eighty eight, when she left

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for The Oregonian.

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Richard D.

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Keannan arrived as editor in eighteen eighty eight and was

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credited with improving society and sports coverage. He left the

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paper in the early eighteen nineties, but returned in nineteen

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oh four. Other editors include JB. Fithian and SA Morland.

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Lumberman John E.

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And L. R.

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Wheeler brought the paper and bought the paper in nineteen fourteen.

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The Telegram Building, now a historic landmark, was built during

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the tenure. Several unpopular campaigns, including one against the klu

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Klux Klan, brought the paper into bankruptcy in nineteen twenty two,

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and East Oregonian editorial accused The Telegram of opposing the

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interests of Eastern Oregon and meddling more than other Portland

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papers in electoral politics. H. Brockenhagen bought the paper and

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was the publisher from nineteen twenty seven until nineteen thirty

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one merger with the News. According to Oregon Newspaper historian

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George Well, following the merger, the character of the consolidated paper.

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News podcast I'm still here? Okay, Shall I myself for

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a minute? Okay, I can do need to so I

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can meet myself for a minute.

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Yeah, okay.

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So basically, it says, following the merger, the character of

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the consolidated paper reflected the news more than the Telegram,

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though the Telegram provided a number of valuable staff members.

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So obviously, again we've got news paper outlets that are

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fiddling around with politics. Of course, they're going to present

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bad information, whether true or not, and then probably push

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good information for the politician that they're looking to have

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everybody back.

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So again they're just.

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Forming our thoughts and desires for us. The search on

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the Reading Eagle carried the Dick Tracy comics that we

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know that the Zodiac used, and I want to remind

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everybody those comics had not actively been published to the

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public at the time that the Zodiac used them. And

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of course the Zodiac referred to that unpublished comic strip

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created by Dick Tracy with the originating ties to Chicago, Illinois,

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So that kind of makes everything full circle here. Again,

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this is one of the newspapers the Reading Eagle that

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the insert for the forced Bussing Letter from the Zodiac

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was sent out to, and it says just a small

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bit about this Reading Eagle was the Sunday edition. For

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many years, The Sunday Reading Eagle featured a banner on

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its Sunday Comics section saying biggest comics section in the land,

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running over fifty features until the late nineteen eighties and

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occupying two sections until nineteen ninety five. It carried half

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pages of Prince Valiant, Hagar the Horrible, and Tarzan, as

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well as smaller versions of Tracy the Phantom. I like

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to bring up the Phantom because we've seen the phantom

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used in many of the communications and many popular humor strips.

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On July eight, twenty eighteen, however, it followed the path

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of most dwindling American newspapers and reduce the size of

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its comic section and the strips it carries. That brings

467
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:21.519
us to our first solve. So I'm not sure if

468
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.599
you're still with us there, Harriet. I know you said

469
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:27.480
you'd be listening in this was your solve to the

470
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:32.160
forced Bussing letter. The Atlanta, Georgia child Killer Letter which

471
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:36.240
stated stop force bussing before I kill three more black

472
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:37.119
boys in march?

473
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.119
Are you there with us? Harriet?

474
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.920
Well, now you've got to figure out how to unmute yourself.

475
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:55.200
Okay, Well we're in. I am muted.

476
00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.200
Okay, so I have up the force bussing solve. Did

477
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:01.519
you have that one to refer to?

478
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:09.160
No? But I know what it says. It's something about

479
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:16.640
it's Jowers because I saw the one that I line someone. Yeah,

480
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:21.200
go ahead, because it's it's referring to who the real

481
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:26.480
pillers behind Martin Luther King is, which is involving a witness?

482
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:27.599
I keep going.

483
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:34.480
It says the three Balustriari SPA Chicago mob goons Brian C.

484
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:39.839
Horn Now Jowers, PAULI Stein killed Martha and Martin Luther King.

485
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:45.799
Yes, and guess what it's years later they actually go

486
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:50.559
to trial to with something they had to do with

487
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:57.480
Janet Reno nineteen early nineteen nineties. So amazing.

488
00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.960
When was Martin Luther King killed? Sixty eight?

489
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:06.599
Yeah? Yeah, so and the King family wanted some some

490
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:09.519
kind of justice. They said, we we hear rumors that

491
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:12.200
there are other people involved.

492
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:16.200
And what is s p A?

493
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:23.160
What was that? What is no Frank.

494
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:32.680
Sp Oh, my god, I think it's I think it's

495
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.599
the day SPA that was associated with.

496
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.039
Stuff going on in Vegas. So they were running these

497
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.480
links money laundering, et cetera.

498
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:50.359
Okay, so I should have been saying I should have

499
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:53.000
been saying this fall then not s p A.

500
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:57.160
Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, the spaw Okay.

501
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.839
Because they were spaw Okay.

502
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:02.960
Yeah, there you go.

503
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.799
And a tie back to Chicago. So here we go again.

504
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:09.640
Dick Tracy ties back to Chicago, Zodiac ties back to Chicago.

505
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:14.240
Forced bussing letter ties back to Chicago. Based on your soul,

506
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:17.039
and I'm going to just read what you'd put in

507
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:19.359
underneath this. It says people think that the note which

508
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.720
was sent to end is in the FBI files, that

509
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:25.200
the word forced is an F, but looking closely, it

510
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.599
appears to be more like a part of a mere

511
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:31.720
J symbol in Jack's codes. The SPA, not far from Vegas,

512
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:34.559
was the heart of a nineteen sixties to nineteen eighty

513
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:38.960
scandal that involved seven day Venice. Lloyd Jowers is a

514
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:41.720
man named in a trial involving the death of MLK

515
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.480
in nineteen nineties. In the nineteen sixty nine zodiac codes.

516
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.240
Jack is saying he's avenging MLK. He attacks Brian Hartnell,

517
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.000
who at the time was a Seventh Day at Venice

518
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:56.160
and lives his friend Cecilia Shepherd, from whom Jack killed.

519
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:59.640
Both were students of Seventh Day Venice Pacific Union College.

520
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:02.200
She is buried in Saint Helena, California.

521
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:11.440
Exactly what do you want to add? No, yeah, yeah,

522
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.000
there is Okay, I'm learning all these years later they

523
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.920
were not supposed to kill Catholics and it was a

524
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:25.400
Catholic hospital the Queen of the Valley that saved Brian Hartnell.

525
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:32.079
So that actually, in my invariable opinion, saved him because

526
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:35.079
they said, okay, Catholic hospital saved him. We are not

527
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:41.480
to do or try anything again. That's my opinion. So yeah,

528
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:43.240
So you may have been Seventh Day and Vans and

529
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:46.920
all the other crap allegedly going on that the hospital

530
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:51.200
saved him and they said, okay, we'll find we'll work

531
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:55.200
and do something else. Right, So yeah, yeah.

532
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.559
I did in my research to put together the tad

533
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:02.240
most pieces of important pieces of evidence on Jack for

534
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.960
the podcast with San Joaquin Valley Transparency, I did find

535
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.680
a new picture of Jack which I thought was extremely interesting.

536
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:12.759
I mean, good lord, as many times as I look

537
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:14.880
at all his different pictures throughout the time, it's like

538
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:19.039
he changes almost from one year to the next, he

539
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.960
looks completely different. But I did go ahead and throw

540
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.680
that picture up next to the zodiac composits for the

541
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.079
purpose of being able to show this new picture. And

542
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.640
again we see a very good likeness. We see the

543
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:33.759
widow's peak, we see that hair that is that is

544
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.079
brushed backwards, very short on the sides, a little bit

545
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:40.200
taller on the top.

546
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:42.200
And again just another likeness.

547
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:46.200
So either way, during that entire timeframe, Jack was basically

548
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:48.519
an epitome or a lookalike of these composites.

549
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:51.720
That brings us to the.

550
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:56.039
Go ahead, I'm gonna say he's definitely not Arthur Lee,

551
00:32:56.119 --> 00:33:00.559
Allen baldheaded set all this stuff. I mean, come on,

552
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:06.920
as Billy Ellen. It looks like it looks like it

553
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:07.440
was funny.

554
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:13.200
That's one of the one of the commenters on the

555
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.680
podcast that I did on Tuesday had mentioned that, but

556
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:21.640
Jack wasn't big and burly. Jack wasn't a big guy.

557
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:25.640
He was rather thin, And of course David threw up

558
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:28.680
the picture of him Jack standing with Nora in front

559
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:32.359
of the Tudor blue Chevy and Paula, I'm sorry, that

560
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:33.279
was the Biscayne.

561
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:34.960
And you can.

562
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:38.680
See that Jack has that belly that hangs over the pants,

563
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.359
just as was described by Brian Hartnell in the Lake

564
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.279
very Essa attack. And of course he was a big boy.

565
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.880
So I thought it was interesting that they see his

566
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:49.880
face and think that he's thin, but when you see

567
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:55.000
his body, it's a completely different story. So we left

568
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.799
off on the Hello It's Me letter on March eighth,

569
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.160
nineteen eighty one. It was mailed in Atlanta, Georgia to

570
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:08.880
the WXIA TV Channel eleven. NBC now looking up, the

571
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:11.719
letter itself says, Hello, it's me. Haven't you people figured

572
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:13.599
out who was killing these little people yet?

573
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.519
I'll give you a hint. I used to be in

574
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:16.360
San Francisco.

575
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:18.840
I used to stop women, but I like to kill

576
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:21.599
children now, and all my victims' bodies. I have less

577
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:23.960
certain clues, but I guess it's too much for you

578
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:25.440
rebels to handle, so.

579
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:28.920
I guess I'll have to tell you. I'll try. I'll

580
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:34.159
I don't know what this word is. I'll to kill children.

581
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:40.000
Because they are so easy to pick off by the way,

582
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.400
if you still have letters, That's not the word I

583
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:46.960
was trying to say, but thank you, by the way,

584
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:50.159
you still have letters from the other murders. I am

585
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.760
not writing in the same handwriting. And last week we

586
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.199
were talking about how Jack could write with both hands

587
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:58.079
based on what Dennis stated, So it actually kind of

588
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.480
plays into the fact that if he's amedextriy and he

589
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:04.880
shows Jack or Dennis that he can write with his opposite,

590
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:09.960
non dominant hand, then we have a purpose for him

591
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:14.360
stating that I'm not writing in the same handwriting. The

592
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:18.440
sixteen eleven Peachtree Street, Northeast Atlanta, Georgia, three zero three

593
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:20.760
zero eight turns out to have been a major media

594
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:25.440
center where the w XIATV was located Channel eleven, affiliate

595
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:31.639
of ABC. Then NBC AKA now Comcast Pacific and Southern

596
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:37.199
Broadcasting Inc. Purchase WXIA from Fairbanks, and then we're taken

597
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:41.559
over by Combined Communications, who then was bought by the

598
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:44.480
Gannett Company. And we're going to hear more about Gannett.

599
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:46.719
I think we already talked a little bit about Gannett

600
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.960
as far as one of the owners to these media

601
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:55.199
corporations that was included in that insert. I also wanted

602
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.920
I think that I think that the Scorpion letters to

603
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.960
John Walsh also started out with the word hello at

604
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.639
one point, correct or high?

605
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:04.760
I remember me?

606
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:05.760
Yeah?

607
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:06.840
For me?

608
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:11.159
You know again the same the same yeah, the same

609
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:15.960
m O and communications. So what I wanted to point

610
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.480
out about this letter, Yes.

611
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:21.679
Can I say something really quick about that that had

612
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:26.280
the sideways vs embedded in their white the black dahlia

613
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.679
uh communications where you saw the V sideways with the H.

614
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:33.840
So I found a couple of those there. So so

615
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.360
this is a reference that you know, Hello, remember me,

616
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:42.960
I happen to do with black Dahlia two. Okay, So anyway, so.

617
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.199
Some of the things I'll point out about this particular letter.

618
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:48.400
It's first, the letter out of Atlanta went to the

619
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:51.159
first letter out of Atlanta went to k h J

620
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:55.400
t V in Los Angeles, California. The letter itself, stating hello,

621
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.960
it's me is equal to high remember me of the

622
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.519
John Walsh letters, boo, it's me of the Tim Miller

623
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.000
letter and Groucho Christmas card guests. Who haven't you people?

624
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.880
Is very zodiac one oh one used to be in

625
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.760
San Francisco. We know that again is the Zodiac used

626
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.000
to stalk women again the Zodiac and all over the

627
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:16.719
US certain clues.

628
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.199
Now the Zodiac has a.

629
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.559
Natural taunt of having left certain clues out and pick off,

630
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.840
which was also a Zodiac term for the school bus action.

631
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.360
The envelope, the small Zodiac symbol represents the return address.

632
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.800
Left side of the envelope has two whole punches with

633
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:38.480
the letters at kid between them. Per Dueher's book, Zodiac

634
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.719
murders once again come to a stop. So we know

635
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:44.239
that we're not getting any action over here in California

636
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:47.039
while these murders are happening over here in Atlanta, Georgia.

637
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.079
Nineteen eighty one, Jackson and I think I'm not due

638
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.159
to be to this yet, I think, oh we are.

639
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:55.679
In nineteen eighty one, Jackson Berry dies at age twenty

640
00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:01.519
eight due to pneumonia resulting from liver disease. Now, as

641
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:03.440
far as this letter is concerned, this is what the

642
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:05.320
Foyo file has to say about it. When it was

643
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.519
sent off to Quantico to have it examined in comparison

644
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.280
to the other Zodiac letters, it says the result of

645
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.960
the examination, it could not be determined whether the writer

646
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:18.639
of the Zodiac letters in the case Zodiac extortion prepared

647
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:21.360
the question writing on specimens Q twenty seven and Q

648
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.159
twenty eight, which is the Hello, It's me letter because

649
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:30.079
of distortion and unexplained variations. While a definite conclusion could

650
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.440
not be reached in this examination, some characteristics were noted

651
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:36.800
which indicated that the writer of the zodiac letters should

652
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.920
not be eliminated as a possible suspect in the preparation

653
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.920
of specimens Q twenty seven and Q twenty eight. And

654
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:46.159
I like that they say couldn't be eliminated, but says

655
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.079
no watermarks, indented writing, or other features were found on

656
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.679
specimens Q twenty seven and Q twenty eight which would

657
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.599
be of value in determining the source of these specimens.

658
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.920
Specimen Q twenty seven and Q twenty eight were photographed

659
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.800
and will be returned with the fingerprint report. The results

660
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:05.039
of the authorship identification examination will also be furnished separately.

661
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.760
They went on to say, let's see here.

662
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:19.039
This is Williamsport, Pennsylvania buried a pre printed address you

663
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.519
shall die. Oh, this is a completely different letter. Your

664
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:26.840
original letter from television station DA Dad. The FBI laboratories

665
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:29.559
requested to compare this letter with any other letters on

666
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.360
file from the Zodiac killer responsible for the string of

667
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:35.159
unsolved murders in San Francisco in the early and mid

668
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.920
nineteen seventies. If letters are on file, compare handwriting to

669
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:39.880
see if they are one.

670
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:40.360
And the same.

671
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:48.639
I thought that I had more, so I guess basically

672
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:50.679
the gist of it is, while they're stating they couldn't

673
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:54.400
have a definite conclusion that the zodiac could not be

674
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:57.320
excluded and should not be excluded from this particular letter,

675
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.679
and we did explain obviously if we're looking at their

676
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:05.079
the differences as it states that the has distortion and

677
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.639
unexplained variations, could be simply explained by the fact that

678
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:12.199
he changed hands. The main characteristics that we would be

679
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.199
looking at in someone's writing would still be there even

680
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.599
if they swapped hands. It's just going to be a

681
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.760
less a little less mature of handwriting. It's going to

682
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:22.880
be a little more wobbly like we see in the hello,

683
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:26.320
it's me letter, because it hasn't been honed in and

684
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:31.119
hasn't been used near as much as the dominant hand has.

685
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:34.039
So that could be the explanation is that he just

686
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.800
simply swapped hands to do that writing.

687
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:41.280
Well, I found an embedded exit. I found a very

688
00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:46.840
typical zodiac trait of what looks like elongated like T shape,

689
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:51.119
but it's an embedded camouflaged decks in there, so that

690
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:55.639
could also be in variations. It's in one of the

691
00:40:55.639 --> 00:41:00.559
words hellois, hello is me remember me that instead of

692
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:09.039
it being yeah yeah, So I said, okay, there's an

693
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:12.599
X there, and it worked perfectly because then the needed

694
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:16.719
exp I think for Nixon. Anyways, it ended up in

695
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.400
my invariable view affects Simile too, and he's bypassing. Even

696
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:25.800
though Carter's no longer president, he's bypassing, in his words,

697
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:33.079
shitty President Reagan. He's supposed to be. He's supposed to be.

698
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:35.280
To make that long story short, I don't know if

699
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.360
you have the salt there that's they're saying. There was

700
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:42.159
a change of plans in the execute order that Carter

701
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.039
hoped for. And in a matter of words, being Catholic,

702
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:47.639
I understand there are three popes that year, so the

703
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:53.360
third pope changes the plans. They save they saved Christopher Bush,

704
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:57.000
and they save the king family member of the daughter

705
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.960
they eventually married, blah blah blah, and then they are

706
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.519
to go get the Nazis like was ordered. Uh. And

707
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:10.800
then he's saying that I think it's call is to die,

708
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:14.360
the one who picks kids off as they were coming

709
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:20.320
off the box scars uh in Nazi Europe. Anyways. Then

710
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.400
it goes on to say, because he's now with the

711
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:27.400
Holy See, and the kind gentle Pope wishes you to

712
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:31.679
ask a shitty present and rake to find.

713
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:34.480
What are you?

714
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:34.639
What?

715
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:36.760
Are you reading something right now?

716
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:40.360
No? I'm right here, So what what is it?

717
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:41.920
Can you hear me?

718
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:42.239
Okay?

719
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.880
Are you reading a solve or something right now?

720
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:48.039
No? I got I got that so much in my head.

721
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.639
It's just funny that you say he's he's saying he's

722
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.199
with the Holy See. The kind gentle Pope is you

723
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:54.760
know all this?

724
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.639
I haven't got. I haven't gotten to those solves yet.

725
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.519
So that's why I'm saying, okay, why you're all those

726
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:01.320
We're getting to it.

727
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:02.199
We're almost there.

728
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.199
I wanted to also mention on June fifth of nineteen

729
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.679
eighty one, were you aware of a letter that was

730
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:13.239
written postmarked Williamsport, Pennsylvania, bearing the pre Well, it doesn't

731
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.239
tell me what the address was, but it started out

732
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:18.000
you shall die. I'm going have you have you seen

733
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:18.480
this letter?

734
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:20.559
This was?

735
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.760
I haven't, so so hopefully it's not going to be

736
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.719
take a deep breath when I see the envelope forced here.

737
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:33.159
Right, well, I don't see it, so I'm not sure

738
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:35.360
where I got this particular image, but it looks like

739
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.800
it came off a photo bucket. It's it's an intel

740
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.159
dated June fifth, nineteen eighty one from the Federal Bureau

741
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.840
of Investigation in regards to at kid which is the Atlanta,

742
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.559
Georgia child killers case. And they're calling it a kidnapping.

743
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:51.440
I mean, these kids are being murdered and you're calling

744
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.440
it a kidnapping. I don't understand. The Zodiac was also

745
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.039
murdering and they called it extortion. So they know something

746
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:01.920
we don't know clearly. But at Stadium, this particular letter

747
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:06.400
writing q Q one was compared with the question writing

748
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.639
on previously received letters in this case, but no positive

749
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:13.199
association between this letter and the previous submitted material could

750
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.079
be established. It is noted, however, the Q thirty three

751
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.880
envelope is a business reply envelope of the Dan Barry

752
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:30.280
mint Norwalk, Connecticut. Let's see, I just got sidetracked Norwalk, Connecticut.

753
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.760
And the Q ninety envelope is also a business reply envelope,

754
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:38.440
and we do know that the Zodiac used business reply pieces,

755
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:41.000
especially when he mailed out to Sacramento b in other

756
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:41.800
places like that.

757
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:48.519
Correct, exactly, Yes, I remember doing that one deep one.

758
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:53.719
Well, I always want to find out here is like

759
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:54.519
I'm jumping.

760
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.639
Down into the deep sea when I see these things

761
00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:59.800
and I have to take a deep bath when I

762
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.079
say this is going to be a couple of weeks.

763
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:04.840
Well, I'm hoping to get you to this solve on

764
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.599
this particular communication here really quick. But I have one

765
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:09.559
more piece of information I want to go over before

766
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:12.559
we get to that, and that is the fact that

767
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.159
I failed to mention last week while talking to David

768
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.719
on the podcast about the evidence with Jack, when he

769
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.400
asked what was inside the green metal box that had

770
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.159
the earrings and the cut pieces of rope, the broken

771
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:28.039
knife that Dennis believed was used in Sherry Joe Bates

772
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.320
and another knife. Is that I forgot to mention that

773
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:33.559
the film the negatives, the undeveloped rules of film that

774
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.239
were found inside of that box that ended up containing

775
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.559
the negatives for Black Dahlias what we believe is black

776
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.639
Dahlia mid torture. This particular picture that I'm showing on

777
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.239
the screen right now was also off of those roles

778
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:50.079
of undeveloped film that was inside of that box, and

779
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:53.440
we see what looks like a ball cap that's laying

780
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:58.679
next to very odd i'm gonna say, splattering of blood,

781
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:02.199
almost as if this hat was knocked off when somebody

782
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.719
was beat hit, killed. I don't know, but when I

783
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.000
look at it, it's from the University of Las Vegas,

784
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:13.519
which their mascot is Rebels, and I thought that was

785
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.159
interesting to put in here, because while we have no

786
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.039
relation for why this picture was on this role of film,

787
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.719
it certainly seemed very out of place, and considering the

788
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:25.559
other pictures that were found on it. But if you

789
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:27.800
take note in that last letter, it says, I guess

790
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.559
it's too much for you Rebels to handle. And then

791
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:35.119
we've got this picture of the UNLV Rebels hat laying

792
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:38.119
on the ground next to an ominous puddle of what

793
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:39.239
looks to be blood.

794
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:41.480
Very very creepy.

795
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:44.880
And I haven't been able to find anybody in nineteen

796
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:48.840
eighty one that had died in Las Vegas but I'm

797
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:50.599
sure there's a lot of them we don't know about.

798
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.360
That's just mob territory, of course.

799
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:55.880
So WXIA SA too have left their studios at the

800
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.280
Peachtree address. And on March seventeenth of nineteen eighty one,

801
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.280
the FBI's questioned to examine original letter in the Atlanta,

802
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:05.639
Georgia cases by Maryland State Police Department. So now they

803
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.760
are bringing it and they themselves believe that the Zodiac

804
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:14.239
is responsible and want these letters cross compared. That brings

805
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:16.880
us to March thirteenth of nineteen eighty one, Timothy Hill

806
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.000
in Atlanta, the last murder and letter that Georgia will

807
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.639
see from this serial killer, and the camping trips where

808
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:26.000
Jack would disappear are over. I bet the dentist would

809
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:29.000
never have believed that I made this connection to serial killers,

810
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.800
and here he is giving Jack the opportunity to sneak

811
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:34.679
off to do them. So March eighteenth, nineteen eighty one,

812
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:37.639
there's a cable from the FBI Foyil files that indicates

813
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:39.599
that the Zodiac killer cannot be excluded.

814
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:41.559
We just spoke about that, and just.

815
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:45.320
Like the Atlanta, Georgia child killer comes to a complete halt,

816
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:48.320
and we don't see any more children that are kidnapped

817
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:51.440
and killed. That brings us to the Hello, it's me

818
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.800
solve from you, Harriet? Do you have that to read?

819
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:01.239
Give me a few seconds, but do you have It's pretty?

820
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:03.639
It's pretty can you hear me? Okay?

821
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:07.599
So we've only got about two minutes left here, so

822
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:09.400
I don't know if we're going to make it to

823
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:10.079
the solve.

824
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.480
If you're not, Oh, we got one minute left. It

825
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:14.000
looks like.

826
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:18.159
Well, I know, I know basically what the solve is

827
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:21.599
saying that there was a change of plant Yeah, can

828
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:21.960
you hear me?

829
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:23.480
She's talking?

830
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:31.599
Oh my god, can you hear me? Okay? Here, just

831
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:36.000
trying to read it is sound pretty link, Yeah, it's

832
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:44.039
it's pretty lengthy. There was a change of plans. Hum,

833
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:49.719
Oh that's weird. Okay, I know I can hear you. Huh,

834
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.559
calve up, you know that's the most important thing.

835
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:56.320
I don't know what happened. I've lost my sound.

836
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:00.800
You lost your sound? How wincidental?

837
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:04.599
And you hear me murder y?

838
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:11.880
Huh?

839
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:14.519
Well we only got well, we're down. We're down and

840
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:15.320
out of time now.

841
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.320
So I guess if everybody can still hear me, I

842
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:20.239
hope you all have a wonderful weekend. Happy New Year

843
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.039
once again to everybody out there, and I hope you

844
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:39.119
stay safe. We'll see you next Friday.