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True Seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. Have some
updates, some misstatements we're going to clear

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up today, I guess if you
will. We're going to cover a little

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bit from last week, but we're
going to go ahead and move forward into

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some additional murders and some letters and
of course some solves with Harriet Souchet.

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So I'm going to start by picking
up on the presentation from last week,

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just to kind of clear up a
statement that I had made when talking about

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mister Hollingsworth. I had indicated that
the body was found, which it was

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not found, so evidently he is
still missing at this point. So he

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went missing in the South Lake Tahoe
area. He lived basically on the same

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block as don Alas his car was
found at the Leviathon. Mind, you

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can see down here where it circled
and says car. The top is where

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I indicated a body was found,
and it turns out it has not been

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related to mister Hollingsworth yet at this
point. But I was being told by

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the individual who supplied me with this
information that a body had been found with

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rebolt holes in the skull and that
body has not been identified yet. But

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that's her job, basically, she
puts together missing people and remains that are

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found. So I believe this one
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that they can in fact check this
out and see if this is that missing

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person. So just to clarify,
because she brought it up to my attention

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that he has not been found and
he is still missing, just like well

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don Aless is now found, but
hopefully putting this together maybe a way of

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finding his body as well. So
last week I discussed an individual that was

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indicating that there were people who were
going to be attempting to make an attack

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on me and my presentation or engage
me in some type of debate where they

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would try to run me down.
And there were accusations that were made that

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this individual had to remove all her
email accounts, dump her Facebook, dump

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phones, laptops, you name it, because somebody had hacked into her system

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and was equivocally sending emails that she
had sent to me and had not sent

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to anybody else. They were being
forwarded back to her by an individual,

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and I mentioned his name, so
of course everybody wanted to reach out and

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say, hey, hold on,
I did get messages from them. So

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Ned Dehan was the one that she
had stated she believed the email. Well,

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she stated the email came from him. The email contained an email she

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had sent me, so it was
basically a forward of something somebody else shouldn't

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have had in their hands. Now, maybe at this point, after the

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responses I've received, there's a possibility
that somebody is attempting to make it look

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like is Ned doing it? I
really don't know. What I do know

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is that Ned reached out to me. So black Box Online Radio posted on

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YouTube, Hello, my name is
Ned. I am the person discussed around

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the twenty two minute mark. I
am quite surprised to see and hear these

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comments in regards to the allegation of
bullying. Ray greyt. Ray Grant did

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appear on a show called The Zodiac
Killer Debate Files, and that was with

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a guy named Ross, so evidently
she believes all of these people are in

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the same group. But ray Grant
did appear on a show called The Zodiac

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Killer Debate Files, but that is
not my show. I also was not

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a participant on the program. I
have never debated Ray Grant about the Zodiac

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Killer case. I have also never
debated anyone in a Zodiac Killer debate.

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The Debate Files is hosted by Ross
Garassi, and he is also not a

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bully. Ray Grant deleted his channel
for unknown reasons he has never specified.

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I do not work for Tom Voyd
and I have no direct affiliation with his

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website zodiackiller dot com. To clarify, I am not a hacker. I

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don't know anything about hacking and next
to nothing about computers. While it is

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not easy to hear that I have
been called a bully, especially because even

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I was not even on the mentioned
program, being called a computer hacker and

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hearing accusations of hacking into other people's
cis is pure slander and liable, while

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the person who sent the message is
clearly paranoid. I wouldn a Nette not.

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I would na Nette not to share
gossip and rumors that accuse someone of

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illegal behavior without evidence. In conclusion, please be careful when you share unverified

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pieces of information on the Internet.
Now, the individual had sent me the

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email that contained the forwarded email and
the information on it. I was not

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able to find it in my system. But I need to go back and

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look a little harder, because I
do notice that there are many many email

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messages I have not looked at from
this person. But a second individual jumped

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on board and also posted on this
same podcast and said Dirk Poor Richards said

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a bad mischaracterization of Ned Dehan.
I've had brief interactions with him, and

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he has proven to be quite nice, really and not at all bully.

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He allows people to air their theories
on his show and is very open to

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new ideas. He's not a yes
man for anyone's theories and will challenge their

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narrative and ask the hard questions when
he feels it's necessary. That's what a

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good interviewer does. He's not a
hacker that's trying to block people's info.

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In fact, quite the opposite.
He would welcome anyone's info on a show.

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If they feel they have something and
can present it reasonably to the listeners,

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you probably owe him an apology,
all right, So, Dirt Pord

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Richard says, I should apologize,
And so that's what I'm going to do

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at this point. I'm going to
take this for face value. I don't

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want to try and figure out what
the infighting is about and who is who

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is saying what to who and who
is doing what to who, because that's

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really not why I'm here, nor
do I have the time for any of

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these games. Dirt Poor Richard went
on to say that I understand that they

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were someone else's words. I just
disagree with perpetuating a rumor like that,

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especially when I know who they were
talking about and it wasn't Ned. I

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don't think you meant any harm,
but unfortunately, some of your listeners might

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believe it to be true, which
is kind of like the thing that we

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go through when we're dealing with the
Zodiac case. All of these people come

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out and put out these massive press
releases in regards to a fake suspect,

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and it makes it all over the
place. Everybody hears about and everybody's talking

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about it, and then nobody sees
the three second reaction that the news locally

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puts out stating that the people were
wrong. So I get what he's saying

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about my viewers might might hear or
see this. So I'm saying, at

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this point in time, you guys, I have absolutely no evidence to suggest

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he is. It was just a
statement of caution to me to make sure

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that I didn't get wrapped up in
a mess where I ended up getting hacked

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and losing all of my precious files
on this case, or getting myself into

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a debate with somebody who's going to
attempt to beat me up rather than beat

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up the actual evidence, which I
don't mind. Let's debate it. Let's

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discuss the evidence. This is what
I've said. Poor Richard goes on to

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say, no, I was.
I asked him because when he said I

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know the person and it wasn't ned, I thought it meant that he knew

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the person who was hacking. Turns
out he says, no, I was

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referring to the person who had the
guests that removed his content after the podcast.

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I don't know of anyone who's hacking
content. Your show was the first

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time I've ever heard of it.
So Ned has people who are coming to

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his side to help erase the words
that I said last week, or at

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least have me redact or come back
and say that I'm sorry. This is

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not my intentions is to accuse anybody
of anything. I just get a little

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leery when I'm informed about hacking or
anybody doing anything to people's technology. This

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stuff is expensive, it's not something
we want to lose, and just to

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be a part of this case shouldn't
mean that every time we click on a

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link on somebody's website or otherwise,
that we should contract some type of a

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virus that takes down our computer systems. So with that being said, it

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turns out I received the secondary message, which was basically the same message that

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we just discussed from Ned Dehan,
only this time he sent it to my

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email directly because he said, since
I had learned about your channel become a

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weekly listener, I decided to tune
into your last episode episode and I was

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rather surprised to a segment discussing allegation
allegations against me. I now understand what

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you mean about allegations of hacking.
I wrote this out for the comment section

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of your show, and I noticed
a typo in my comment, so I

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tried to edit it, but it
was already deleted. I am not sure

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if that was you or the YouTube
bots, so I will send this to

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you privately. So he basically reiterates
the message that he gave me on YouTube,

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and my shock and for awe over
this is that is there really YouTube

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bots out there erasing people's comments if
they don't violate any policies. They're not

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being rude, they're not cussing,
they're not just being jerks. What would

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be the purpose of this one that
having been erased? I did not actually

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see anything inside of the comment that
would have caused that to violate YouTube's policies,

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or that it should have been erased
automatically by YouTube. So this may

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answer some of the questions I've had
in the past about how I get the

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email notification from YouTube. I see
the comment by the commenter, I go

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back to YouTube, and I can't
find it anywhere. So that is answering

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that question for me. We have
YouTube bots? I guess I don't know.

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Careful guys, everything is always being
redacted around here, and seems like

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freedom of speech is no longer ours. Even on the social media platforms we

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attempt to post on. So that
was that. Now we do have some

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good comments that actually came about,
like the one from Zodiac Killer official.

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I thought this was awesome. He
said that reward poster. Now he's talking

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about the Donna last reward poster,
including the cipher, was created by Donna's

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family. I'm not sure how he
knows this or where the information comes from,

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but I did ask, you know, people out there to fill me

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in if they knew. So he's
doing that when properly sawd The cipher is

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a message to Zodiac to call a
phone number and anonymously reveal where Donna's body

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could be found. Donna's family also
put that message into newspaper classified ads messages

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in several newspapers in the Bay Area
and Tahoe. The phone number, when

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properly solved, included an area code
that didn't exist until the nineteen eighties.

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That's insane. So maybe the area
code existed, but it was only relegated

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to very specific individuals or companies or
entities for maybe state or government. I

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don't know, but that's interesting that
this would have been a reward poster that

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came out in the seventies, but
the area code doesn't exist until nineteen eighties,

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he says, if I remember correctly, it came out in the eighties.

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In any event, if anyone has
used that reward poster in any capacity

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to guess where her remains could be
located, it was simply dumb luck.

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Well, mister Swernam, you have
dumb luck, as this poster would indicate,

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because you did actually locate the very
location that the school was found in

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and off of a reward poster that
should not have been solvable for that type

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of a message. Based on this
man's information, I also had San lua

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Quing Valley Transparency respond to me thanking
him for sending viewers my way, getting

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new subscribers for the YouTube podcast,
and for being a longtime supporter, and

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he actually responded back saying finding the
Zodiac, You're welcome. Just you know,

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I was stoked to see you uploading
again after eleven years. I followed

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your page years ago, and that
gave me chills because that means that I'm

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onto something that makes people pay attention. And I'm really just trying to get

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Jack out there as the best suspect
for this. But the fact that people

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are actually following it for this long
and are excited to see that the show

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is back on and we're presenting the
information on Jack just tells me I'm on

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the right track and doing the right
thing that brings us to additional murders.

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So right now, I've put up
a map over here to the right hand

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side. This is basically kind of
a basic synopsis of Jack's whereabouts in the

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Sacramento area during these particular years.
We also see where Carol Hilburn goes missing

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the Zodiac bar. We just finished
talking about that with Carol Hilburn and d

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Benelac and Hakari also went missing from
the Urden Arcade area. We have Jack

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on Auburn Boulevard in nineteen seventy nine. In this area actually was taken over

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by the FBI, I want to
say somewhere shortly afterwards they opened up a

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new office and it ended up being
on the actual mobile home land in which

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Jack lived on. I thought that
was kind of ironic. I think he

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would have gotten a kick out of
that. He probably knew it too,

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So whatever purpose, they came in
bulldozed that entire area and built the new

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FBI building. At that time,
that is now since moved to Roseville on

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Freedom Way, so they are no
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the building over on Auburn Boulevard.
Now, there was an actual newspaper article

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that came out with some different composites. These are police drawings one suspect and

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the Benelac killing left, and two
suspects in the Hakari murder case. So

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I was really kind of enamored by
the fact that this center one is very

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much a likeness of the dB Cooper
composite done by the FBI, So I

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want to do a cross comparison to
that and set them kind of side by

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side. And then we also had
this one over here with this beard the

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black hair. I don't know that
they stated what the color of the hair

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was, but they definitely give you
the impression that they are all dark haired

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individuals. This one has a part
on one side. And then in nineteen

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seventy five, I actually found a
picture of Jack where his hair had been

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dyed black. We can see the
gray that's kind of coming through. I

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know this is a terrible picture because
it's one of those polaroid pictures and it's

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old and it's scanned and then I
blow it up and it's all pixelated,

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but you can definitely see the black
hair. You can see the part on

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the side, and he is definitely
wearing a full beard, which is not

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something we use see Jack doing.
We also see the black and his beard,

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and we see the gray that's growing
out. So if in nineteen seventy

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one, these murders are being committed
and we've got black hair that is growing

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out on Jack by nineteen seventy four, nineteen seventy five, it may be

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the way he wore his hair after
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to another town and find a family, and you know the article in the

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newspaper that told him to go kick
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Anyways, Dennis claims that Jack was
constantly growing a beard and shaving and gaining

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and losing weight, as if to
be on a constant run to change his

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appearance. And I do show a
lot of Jack's pictures back to back.

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You wouldn't think that one from the
next was actually the same person, but

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in fact is. We also had
some mystery mystery killings, I'm gonna say

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accidents, whatever you want to call
them. It was in nineteen sixty six

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to nineteen seventy. They called it
Blood Alley. It was a stretch of

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Highway thirty seven between Nevado and Balleo, which increased significantly in death during the

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period that the Zodiac worked in California. Jack was stationed at Hamilton Air Force

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Base at the Nevado end of Highway
thirty seven during nineteen forty eight and fifty.

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These cases should be investigated for accidents
that included a third car that fled

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from the scene or may have caused
the impeding accident. Zodiac claimed that he

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would make some murders look like accidents, so I think that this is worthy

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of looking at. Zodiac does not
announce that he will tell about his fake

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accidents or crimes in general until October
of nineteen seventy, but that doesn't mean

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that he hasn't committed other crimes that
he's not talked about, because it also

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isn't until this next letter coming up
that we see he's taking responsibility for any

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type of activity in murders down in
the Riverside or Southern California area. So

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just because he didn't say he was
going to tell us about them until later,

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didn't mean that he hadn't already committed
some as well. This is an

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article that's written by Paul Avery,
whom the Zodiac Killer took personal notice to

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and wrote the Hall of Wing card
to in October of nineteen seventy, and

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it says Riverside slain in nineteen sixty
six Zodiac link is definite. The Zodiac

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Killer, hunted for two years for
at least for at least five Bay Area

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slains, was linked firmly yesterday to
the knife slain in nineteen sixty six of

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co ed sharing Joe Bates in Southern
California. Sherward Moral, the State Crime

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Bureau's handwriting expert, said printing specimens
on letters discovered by the Chronicle in Riverside

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police files are unquestionably the work of
the Zodiac. Because of the evidence turned

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up by the Chronicle, police now
have leads they feel might soon result in

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Zodiac's capture. I'm like, wow, they thought they were close. The

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clue that excites them most is a
set of initials are an H inscribed beneath

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a gory poem which Zodiac scratched on
a library study desk at River City College.

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Now they say scratched, but it
is said that he actually used a

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pen, a ballpoint pen to write
in. It goes on to say as

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Bates was murdered after she left the
library on the night of October thirtieth,

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nineteen sixty six, Her killer Sabot
sabotaged her car and then talked her into

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accompanying him in the direction of a
campus parking lot, apparently with offer of

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a ride. The body of eighteen
year old honors student was found next morning

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by a college groundkeeper. Poem several
months later, a college janitor discovered the

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strange poem. At the time,
detectives didn't consider it as being connected with

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the murder case, nor the three
letters which came to their attention on April

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thirtieth, nineteen sixty seven, six
months to the day after the slaying.

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The letters for claiming Baits had to
die there will be more routinely tucked away

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with dozens of other pieces of crack
pot correspondence in case, oh, I

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can't read that were it? Oh? Either way, ended up in the

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department's evidence vault. Nobody then took
special notice of the fact that two of

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the three letters had been signed with
a Z. It wasn't until mid nineteen

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sixty nine that Zodiac began writing to
the Chronicle bragging about his crimes, and

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then Riverside investigators had forgotten about the
existence of the z signed notes, and

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it does state with the ballpoint pen
it was scratched into the desk. Goes

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on to say Riverside's evidence was forwarded
to the State Bureau of Criminal Investigation and

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Identification in Sacramento, where Morals spent
four days examining it in relation to Zodiac's

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correspondence to the Chronicle. Late yesterday
he made his public made public his findings.

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Printing. The handprinting scratched on the
desk is the same as the three

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letters, particularly like the one on
the envelope, and his handprinting is by

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the same person who has been preparing
the Zodiac letters that have been received by

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the Chronicle. Moral stated this finding
doesn't prove that Zodiac murdered Misbates, only

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that he wrote the poem and the
notes sent to the Riverside Press Enterprise,

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the police, and the slang girl's
father six months later. So I think

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I really just wanted to kind of
state that I am getting information from an

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individual. She calls herself, Kathy
Kleine. She thinks that they found the

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Zodiac in Saudi Arabia and that he
was just a teenager in school at the

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time. Well, that would rule
him out if he couldn't have been old

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enough or been in the Riverside area. This is typically how I will rule

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out of suspect. You have to
have proximity to multiple different cases, because,

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like I said, the Zodiac didn't
wake up one day attempt to kill

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seven people, write you know,
one hundred messages to law enforcement, to

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the newspapers to not have done it
before or to have ever done it again.

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So there is going to be these
baby track records of them actually getting

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themselves into getting himself up to the
nerve to write a two to three page,

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sometimes six page letter, as the
Zodiac did. Meanwhile, Berkeley police

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are also considering the possibility that Zodiac
may have tried about two years ago to

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attack two young girls whose car was
mysteriously sabotaged in the same manner as the

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as was miss Bates the witness.
A Berkeley man who witnessed the incident gave

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the Chronicle these details. He noticed
a man somewhere between twenty five and forty

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years old. Now that nails Jack
because we got and remember he's approximately forty

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forty one at this point in time
old. He guessed helping a young girl

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push a Volkswagen near Telegraph Avenue.
We know that there is a relation to

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mk Ultrat and Telegraph Avenue. Another
girl was at the wheel steering the vehicle.

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The stranger suddenly became obviously enraged at
the intrusion and stalked off. So

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basically he got upset because somebody intervened
and got in the way. Clearly.

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On November thirtieth of nineteen seventy we
have Ronald Hughes who went missing and did

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not show up to the court appearance. He was found in March of nineteen

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seventy one. I was hoping to
be able to actually cover this with Nolan.

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Hopefully he is climbing on as we
speak. Uh, there we go.

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Good morning, area, Hey,
good morning. Sorry about that.

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I did not realize that you were
not included in that link. That's horrible

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of me. And hopefully so that's
okay. Hopefully Nolan is joining us soon.

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Do you get a hair out?
I believe he is. Yeah,

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yeah, And this next one that's
coming is actually having to do with the

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Manson family murders. So I was
hoping that he was on by the time

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that happened. Let me just double
check and make sure. Oh my goodness,

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how is your morning going? Oh
it's going actually pretty good. I

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was going to try to sit outside, but it was forty two outside,

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so well that's not going to work. I like, it's still good.

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Yeah, he should be climbing on
quickly, because when he went to reply

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to your email, he replied to
me too, So I said, okay,

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good morning, there is good morning
Nolan. Hello. Sorry, I

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guess I failed to get that link
out you guys, but I'm glad.

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I'm glad. I'm glad. What's
that? Okay, Well, I'm glad

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you're with us because I was about
ready to climb into another missing person involved

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with the Manson Familey and I'm not
froze. Harriet's not frozen froze. Do

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I need to go out and back
again? No? I can hear you.

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Can you hear us? I can
hear you by Nolan, you can

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hear me. Yeah, you're breaking
up though we're not on our end.

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Very it's hard to do. Oh
my gosh. All right, So I

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was just getting ready to climb into
Ronald Hughes. Wrong Hughes. He was

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not a lawyer in the yeah right
right. So one of nineteen seventy Ronald

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Hughes went missing and did not show
up to a court appearance. His body

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was found in Round Right. His
body was found in March of nineteen seventy

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one. He's representing Leslie van Houten
on the Tate Lobianca trial. Last seen

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at Sespy Hot Springs in Ventura County, he was found at Burker Ranch,

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Inyo County, almost one hundred and
fifty miles away and north wedged between two

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boulders. His Volkswagen was found.
Psychiatric report on Leslie van Houten was missing

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from his try transcripts, and the
Manson family claimed first of the retaliation murders.

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I remember reading that there had been
a phone call, I think or

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something to tell the authorities to look
behind a shed on Barker Ranch for the

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body, and that's basically where they
found it. And if people aren't familiar,

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Barker Ranch is one of the places
that the Manson family actually housed their

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scientology people. Right, I'm sorry, Scientology housed the Manson family members who

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were part of Scientology. Do I
get that right? It's connected? What's

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that I say? Next? Is
Scientology and Ranch? Oh my god?

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Oh, I'm getting horrible reception from
you. Now. I don't know what

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happened. You were so good a
second ago. Okay, well, Nolan's

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back. Oh and now all of
a sudden, you're clear. Yay,

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give me one of those days.
Yeah, all right, said that he

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was founded between two boulders. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.

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We're just there. Pick up on
that one, two boulders. I

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was just discussing that somebody I remember
reading somewhere. Yeah, but you're fine

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now, I can hear you.
Can you hear us? I feel like

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we're doing an at t Old at
T commercial. Can you hear me?

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Now? Can you hear me?
Now? Can you hear me? Now?

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I want to break out with monocopise. You can't see us. Maybe

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it's for the better. I may
have my warning face. Still, can

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you hear us? Something is going
on with his internet. I'm not getting

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any response when I when I talk. All right. Anyways, So the

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dumb side near the former mansion compound
is up here at Barker Ranch and Sespy

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Hot Springs Camp talking. Ah,
maybe I am it's the devil's game.

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Oh that was kind of wicked.
Okay, bringing six six six the angel

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number. Anyways, go ahead.
The abduction side is almost one hundred and

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fifty miles from where the body is
found. This rules out the body being

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washed downstream due to floods. Did
law enforcement really want us to believe this?

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So evidently there was some information out
there that was stating that the body

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had washed downstream when it was found
up at Barker Ranch, or at least

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that's what the information and I researched
is telling us. So I went on

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a little bit further. Do you
know who this guy is? Harriet?

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Uh, what's this? What's the
guy's name? He looks familiar name.

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I feel like he was like all
in the family with Archie Bunker. But

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I could tell my God, Okay, I's been taking a beating a lot

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lately, but it does look like
God. So I'm a little concerted.

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The Manson family, come on,
right. I wanted to work out some

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of this information with Nolan because this
is what I read and researched. I'm

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a little concerned about the backstory on
Ronald Hughes going missing because purportedly Manson had

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Hughes killed because Hughes defended Van Houten
with a cold control defense. But the

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girls wanted to testify they committed the
murder and Manson had no part of it.

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Hughes would not allow his defendant to
testify, and neither would the attorneys

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for the other girls. So are
you familiar with that, Nolan, I'm

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familiar with that. I don't know
that. I mean, he died under

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suspicious circumstances, but it was basically
he was up in the Ohio Valley and

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I think it was camping and there
was a flash flood that came through.

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And but then the other details about
his car and his papers and they were

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found in a different place where they
shouldn't have been. So it's right,

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it's really odd. The circumstances were
really odd. Well, and like I

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said, I remembered reading that there
too. What's that? But as far

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as I remember, Hue, there
was a dispute over trial tactics. Like

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you say, right, the girls
wanted to testify and he didn't want to.

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Yeah, But but he was doing
a good job. Everything I've read

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is that he was a pretty good
lawyer, right right. Evidently he wanted

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to go he wanted to he wanted
to defend them with a cult control defense,

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but the girls wanted to testify they
committed the murder on their own and

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that Manson had no part in it. Hughes would not allow his defendant to

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testify, and neither would the attorneys
for the girls. So we have girls

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that are willing to testify to committing
that Tate murders themselves, not in implicating

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Manson. But someone wanted to see
Manson go down either way. I mean,

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the fact that they kept pressing their
own clients for a cult defense when

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they were willing to testify that they
committed them on their own, accord,

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tells me somebody must have been specifically
after Manson. Evidence supports Manson wasn't there,

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but he was convicted as a handler
or a controller. I thought it

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was extremely interesting that the entire plea
from the Zodiac was that control he was

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under with the use of LSD and
acid. So there is that similar type

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connection. And Manson comes off like
he's a little crazy, like he's done

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a bit of semesside himself. He
was the government, federal prison, he

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was doing my control in federal prison
already experience. Oh yes, that is.

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That is one of the places that
mk ulture took place. Psychiatric hospitals,

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prison inmates, military college campuses with
co eds and students, socialites,

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any place that they could dive in
where they could get more information. They

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implemented the program. And the whole
and the whole Bay area, especially San

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Francis go right, yeah, Telegraph
Avenue, everything that was going on.

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Yeah. Yeah. And so if
Hughes refused to defend a client who is

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being pushed out a window, and
Manson told the girls not to testify to

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his innocence, then how does the
media's portrayal of Hughes killed by Manson family

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for trying to turn Van Houghton against
the group When Hughes and Manson were both

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publicly against the tactic. It was
actually a pretty good strategy to have the

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girls take the blame and text Watson. Of course, he was a shooter

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and he was the kingpin. But
because Manson didn't actually kill any of those

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people, right, he was there
at the Lobyanka house and he tied up

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the Lobyankas, but he didn't kill
him, and he didn't kill anyone at

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the Tate House either. That's just
insane. So in other words, it

405
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.160
makes much sense. It makes sense
that Hughes was killed by Manson members for

406
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:37.400
segregating his client from them. Yeah. I don't know if I buy that,

407
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:44.240
but I know the whole thing just
doesn't make any sense to me.

408
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:49.720
I mean, Manson gets hmmed up
part of a cult. The attorney's defense

409
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.039
is that these girls were controlled by
a cult. The girls wanted to testify

410
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:55.880
they weren't controlled by anything, they
did it on their own, and that

411
00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:00.559
Manson wasn't part of the killings.
So I'm just a little confused on why

412
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:05.640
they would try or attempt to go
with the cult control defense. Either way,

413
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.440
we have a good attranny, like
you said, that comes up missing.

414
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.240
So is this I didn't know who
this guy was. Is this the

415
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:15.480
attorney that went missing, Ronald Hughes. I don't know why I have this

416
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:21.559
on here. I'm guessing I must
have gotten it, but go ahead,

417
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.319
Yeah, that must be Ronald Hughes. Yes, I would think so.

418
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:30.599
Yeah, so it makes far more
sense that he was killed by whomever wanted

419
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:36.279
Manson convicted for these crimes because Hughes
wanted to segregate van Houton and wouldn't allow

420
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:42.119
her to testify to Manson's innocence.
Who was interested in the demise of Manson

421
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:44.720
is really where that gets me too, And maybe he had grown a little

422
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.400
bit too big for his riches as
far as Scientology was concerned, and that

423
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:52.359
his order to hit of the tape
murders violated some man made laws. And

424
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.559
when I say man made, I
mean like in Scientology, they handled their

425
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:59.960
own laws, they handled their own
punishments, they handled their own peace.

426
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:06.400
Wow. As late as the day
before the murderers, Manson was up in

427
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:10.679
big sirve to Escellan Institute. We're
do in seminars and whatnot with the like

428
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:19.239
underage girl Wow. Well. Also
take being married to a movie magnet and

429
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:23.320
pregnant is reminissent, very reminiscent of
other murders like Shepherd McDonald and the other

430
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:29.239
pregnancy killings where it appears as though
there may have been another intended victim other

431
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:32.119
than the one who died, so
it was meant to hit personally at someone

432
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:37.119
else through a family member or a
wife or a pregnant girlfriend or whatever it

433
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:46.719
might be that brings us to pictures
of Jack in nineteen seventy At Jack.

434
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:53.000
Look at Jack. He looks so
different every time in every picture that I

435
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:58.239
see him in. This is pictures
with him and his daughter at Christmas in

436
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.760
South Lake Tahoe. So we to
see them in front of the Christmas tree.

437
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.960
We get to see that it's snowing
outside. But he's definitely making his

438
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:12.199
presence known in South Lake Tahoe.
At this point it is unclear he's still

439
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:20.480
sinister, hey creepy. So On
February twenty second of nineteen seventy one,

440
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.159
Sharon K. Wilson from Conquered.
She was on her way to Humboldt State

441
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:27.079
College, a co ed. Her
body was found at the mouth of mad

442
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.320
River near Arcada, two hundred miles
north of Napa, stabbed to death.

443
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:37.639
Philip Mitchell Kohler was charged with the
crime. I don't show no victims listed

444
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.840
for Conquered on the BETS map,
but could be a Eureka connection as far

445
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.440
up as that is. And we
do know that there is some Eureka connection,

446
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.320
especially with the Adams letter. We
were going to see a little bit

447
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:54.039
more, including the Keddy Cabin murders
and things that happened or occurred in that

448
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.880
particular area, but I think that
this may or may not have also been

449
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:05.320
associated with the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murders. On February twenty sixth, nineteen seventy

450
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.320
one, Linda Kynes two miles south
of Anguin, twenty seven miles north of

451
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:13.880
Napa, California. So again back
in that Napa area where Hartnell was they

452
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.719
were a PUC student again. Body
was found in a ravine covered by logs

453
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.800
and debris, just like Marie Antsey. I'm sorry, anstay two hundred and

454
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:28.480
fifty feet from the car off Howell
Mountain Road. The car was unlocked,

455
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.920
with small portable radio still playing in
the front seat. There is a radio

456
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:37.679
relation. I believe that Jack's radio
license is expired by nineteen seventy one.

457
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:42.199
The purse found inside of the car
bra found neatly folded in line on top

458
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.880
of her windbreaker a few yards away
from the body, which is kind of

459
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:52.559
like the laundry murders and coats that
I've been tracking throughout these crimes. Parents,

460
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.760
mister and missus George Kaynes, work
at Porterville State Hospital. They are

461
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.880
supposed to show up for a job
at Metal would come club near Saint Elena

462
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:06.440
or she was supposed to show up
for a job at Meadowood Country Club near

463
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.719
Saint Elena. Her found near her
body was a forty eight star American flag,

464
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:15.760
two gallon fuel can with the residue
gas and oil mixture, half a

465
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:21.039
military barracks bag, and a length
of Manila rope. I told myself the

466
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:23.440
research and fill in the Walter B. Williams, the woodcutter, is a

467
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:30.920
suspect, so they say noose killed
Linda Napa. A wire was found tightened

468
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:34.840
around the neck of Linda Christine Kane's
twenty year old co ed whose body was

469
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:40.119
found Friday. Sheriff Earl Randalls said
on Saturday, although she had been murdered,

470
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:44.840
he said the specific cause of death
will not be determined until an autopsy

471
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.599
report is made. The body of
miss Cane, Pacific Union College student was

472
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.320
found covered with logs and debris in
a ravine about two miles southwest of the

473
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.320
campus at Anguin. She had been
missing a week. The girl's body was

474
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.760
found about two hundred and fifty feet
from where her car was located off of

475
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.679
how Mountain Road. She was the
first mist She was first missed when she

476
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:07.519
failed to show up for her part
time job at Meadowood Country Club. About

477
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:12.000
five hundred students and faculty members from
the college joined in a search of the

478
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:16.400
brushy hills around Anguin a renewed search
by deputies discovered one foot sticking out from

479
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:21.400
the ravine debris. Officers said there
was no connection between the death of Miss

480
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.599
Keynes of Porterville and that of another
co ed, Sharon K. Wilson.

481
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:30.039
The body of Miss Wilson, twenty
of Conquered and Humboldt State College co ed,

482
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.360
was found last Tuesday at the mouth
of the Mad River near Arcada.

483
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:37.719
Arcada is about two hundred miles north
of Napa. Philip Mitchell Kohler, eighteen

484
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.760
year old dairy worker, is charged
with stabbing Miss Wilson to death. I

485
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.440
don't have any information that suggests whether
or not they were able to secure that

486
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:50.400
conviction and that he was actually imprisoned
for this. It just kind of goes

487
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:54.920
blank at that point. Well,
and that just on the onset of seeing

488
00:38:54.960 --> 00:39:00.559
all this, it looks like that
is quite the kodabules. So this is

489
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:05.400
probably going to be on a very
near future list to do that now,

490
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:09.239
because I know I've done Marion State
and Marion state he has his reasons.

491
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:14.519
But anyway, so here we are
well. That brings us to the March

492
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:17.599
thirteenth, nineteen seventy one, Los
Angeles letter that was mailed stating that there

493
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:23.960
were seventeen minus seventeen or plus or
I would look at it because he's always

494
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:27.719
put the hyphen in there, even
if he put a zero for the police

495
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.679
department. So I look at that
like seventeen plus victims. This letter purports

496
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:36.199
to be written nine days previous to
the Donna last card on March twenty second

497
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.360
of nineteen seventy one, which states
twelve victims. So that must mean that

498
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.320
the Zodiac is taking credit for the
known murders of five people that were found.

499
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:50.199
There are five murders between the Halloween's
number fourteen and this letter number seventeen

500
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.280
that I was able to track.
On March thirty first of nineteen seventy one,

501
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:59.599
Stephen Dewhurst writes in his book about
Gladys Gresham in Valeo, I do

502
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:01.320
have that information that we're going to
come up on, but let me read

503
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:06.760
this letter from the Zodiac. This
is the Zodiac speaking like I've always said,

504
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:09.320
I am crack proof. If the
blue mienis are ever going to catch

505
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:14.119
me. They had best get off
their fat asses and do something, because

506
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:16.840
the longer they fiddle fart around,
the more slaves I will collect for my

507
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:22.760
afterlife. I do have to give
them credit for stumbling across my riverside activity,

508
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.920
but they are only finding the easy
ones. They're a hell of a

509
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:32.159
lot more down there. The reason
that I'm ooh, I hate it ready,

510
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.239
the reason I am writing to the
Times is this. They can't bury

511
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:44.000
me on the back pages like some
of the others. SFPD hyphen zero,

512
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:50.599
zodiac hyphen seventeen plus. This letter
was actually accepted in the FBI Foy of

513
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.519
Files as an accepted letter. And
I think I want to go ahead and

514
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:57.800
do your solve before I read my
information. That way we can get it

515
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.800
in because we've only got about seven
minutes. But Harriet, you have done

516
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:06.760
a decode on the air mail envelope? Correct? Yes? Yeah, I

517
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:15.679
did, Okay, this is pretty
yes, well, the airmail envelope came

518
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:39.199
out as it just says, uh
oh no. Why why she believes that

519
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:45.599
the airmail envelope actually says I kill
last state Line, Nevada? Who get

520
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.960
Darlene to shoot Attorney General Kennedy got
to get half the next so it was

521
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:55.000
evidently a very short message, in
which case he's already now taking claim for

522
00:41:55.039 --> 00:42:00.400
having killed Last, which this coincides. It comes after her Last goes missing,

523
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:05.159
and he's now stating he's already killed
her and that he has to get

524
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:10.719
half the next. We do know
that we've long suspected that he was responsible

525
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.920
for Last, and the finding her
skull near where he lived, uh is

526
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:23.880
good evidence that supports our thesis right
exactly, And that's what just happened,

527
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:28.639
you know, a month ago.
So yeah, all right, now,

528
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:32.800
where does that you want to tell
us? I know, we just covered

529
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:38.880
that. You want to tell us? Your take on this is that he's

530
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:46.199
saying that he did kill Last state
Line no Vada, near the roundabout because

531
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:52.719
she helped get starting to shoot,
you know, his boss, the Attorney

532
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.800
General, General Kennedy. And then
he's saying that they got to get Happa

533
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.320
next as soon as possible. So
that's that's looming in the next couple of

534
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:07.719
years. He wasn't Attorney general anymore. He was a senator in New York.

535
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:13.400
Now he's still calling him, he's
still calling him. Technically he was

536
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:19.000
sator at that point. That's presidential
candidate. Of course. Well, and

537
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.360
I know that we talked Harry.
You had mentioned that the you thought that

538
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:29.639
the letters you have been decoding were
being misrepresented to us as being a nineteen

539
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.960
sixty nine or nineteen seventy letter when
it was really a nineteen seventy four letter.

540
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:38.639
But recently you discovered that what's happening
in nineteen seventy four is he's recycling

541
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:44.400
these messages. Can you explain to
us I've got Can you explain to us

542
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:50.159
why he's recycling them? It looks
like some of them were part of a

543
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:54.679
plan A because of what they were
originally doing that goes back decades, and

544
00:43:54.719 --> 00:44:02.599
then something is happening, especially at
Nixon, and so they're recycled, recycled

545
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.239
quite a few. Well, you
told me that you believed. You told

546
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.719
me you believed that he was recycling
them because he's now trying to get Ford

547
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:14.679
up to date after Nixon's out of
all. That's what I got. That's

548
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:20.480
what I got just recently for it
is now the vice president and you know

549
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:27.480
late nineteen seventy four by us Wigson
is resigned, it quits. That's what

550
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:32.960
I'm seeing I got some amazing,
amazing work coming. All right, well

551
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.159
let's go ahead and let's go ahead
with your solve on the actual letter.

552
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.599
So you did a grill cipher of
the La Times letter? Correct? Yeah,

553
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.679
that one actually didn't take me too
long. Okay, can you read

554
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:50.920
that. We're down to about four
minutes? Oh sure, it's basically saying,

555
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:55.639
last now, a big dough r
n C men, cool rock,

556
00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:02.559
state line. Y, So tell
us what that means. That's around about

557
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.800
No, but you you then broke
that down. Tell us what all of

558
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:14.639
that actually means the full message.
It's it gonna be uh that it's state

559
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:23.960
okay, yeah, last now a
big big national committee, Republican National Committee

560
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:31.360
men, state line? Why at
the east line? Roundabout it? So

561
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:38.880
he's he's saying again, I'm seeing
several times she's a big rock there,

562
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:45.840
gotcha at least. So it's just
been basically repeating messages that we we have

563
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:53.159
discovered in other saulves correct. Yeah, that I believe that that's it.

564
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:58.199
Yes, okay, So I'm gonna
go ahead on then, with the information

565
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:04.440
I have on this particular letter.
Crackproof is what Zodiac thinks he is.

566
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:07.639
Now even though he knows there was
no intentional solve to the three forty cipher.

567
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:13.440
The unusual reference of fiddle and fart
around Jack is from Texas. Salt

568
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:17.159
beef and fiddle fart around are things
that are well known in it may even

569
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:22.559
have emanated from Texas. I don't
know. He admits to the Riverside activity.

570
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:27.239
He's upset because he wasn't on the
front page. The count is now

571
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:31.760
seventeen plus, leaving you guessing who
he confirms linked to Riverside activity In this

572
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:36.440
letter, he claims he's crackproof.
He talks about the blue Meanies. That's

573
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:42.800
going to be a theme in future
future communications. He says, get off

574
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:46.280
the fat asses, which is like
the gold mining greeting card of your asses

575
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:51.760
dragging. So we know there's a
definite connection there, fiddle fart around being

576
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:58.480
a Southern reference, and we're only
finding the easy ones. Yeah, he

577
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:05.320
gets that from the feetles yellow submarine. What's that you submarine? The cops?

578
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.679
Oh gotcha? So Tim Miller and
the so only finding the easy ones

579
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:13.000
alludes to Tim Miller and the Zodiac. And for all those that go missing

580
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.960
to never be found, they're a
hell of a lot more down there,

581
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.199
which is more reference, which is
consistent all the way back to Lipstick Killings,

582
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:23.920
which concludes that seventeen is not the
true number. Author doesn't like being

583
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:30.360
buried on the back page like others
like who the Patsy's and the suspects,

584
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:38.559
So I didn't like that. I
did list out all the difference, and

585
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:43.960
then they pepple from Lompo too.
There's many, he says, others and

586
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.840
more he says, others and more
since nineteen forty five in his communications,

587
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.280
I did. I did break down
the letter, the spelling errors, and

588
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:57.800
the use and and who he sent
it to. That all of the systems

589
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.079
were the same and consistent with every
thing that we have in the Zodiac communications.

590
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:05.000
And that pretty much ends it for
us today. You guys, we

591
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.119
are out of time at this point. I want to thank you both again

592
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.639
for being here. Have a wonderful
weekend everybody, and you guys have a

593
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:17.280
great day. Thank you too,
Thank you. Love